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Bank Torched To The Ground As Ukraine Expands Military Operation In East
A day after over 40 anti-government protesters died brutally in Ukraine's Black Sea town of Odessa, and Kiev resumed its "anti-terrorist" military offensive in Slavyansk and Krematorsk in what now even Ukraine officials admit is essentially a civil war, Ukraine has escalate its operation against pro-autonomy activists in the city of Mariupol, southeastern Ukraine, as well as the town of Konstantinovka, according to local self-defense activists.
According to RT, the troops have moved into Mariupol and have surrounded an administrative building held by anti-government protesters. There are a few hundred activists inside the building. They told RT that the army is warning them that if they do not leave the building in the coming minutes, they will be fired at and the building will be seized.
“Special forces units are in the city center. Mainly, they are deployed in yards and make warning shots from there,” Mikhail Krutko from the self-defense headquarters told Interfax news agency. “Residents are unarmed, they blocked roads in the city center, built up barricades from tires and other things not to let hardware pass. They set tires on fire,” Krutko said.
“Special forces units are in the city center. Mainly, they are deployed in yards and make warning shots from there,” Mikhail Krutko from the self-defense headquarters told Interfax news agency. “Residents are unarmed, they blocked roads in the city center, built up barricades from tires and other things not to let hardware pass. They set tires on fire,” Krutko said.
People on the ground told RT’s Paula Slier that there are 300-500 anti-Kiev protesters there and they are unarmed. There have so far been no reports of injuries. At the same time, a convoy of Ukrainian APCs has forced its way through self-defense checkpoints near the Donetsk Region town of Konstantinovka. Shots and alarm can be heard inside the city.
There are reports that at least two people have been killed, Paula Slier says. The TV building has reportedly been seized by the army and all transmissions are currently off-air, she adds. Self-defense units earlier seized the security services headquarters in the town.
The location of the latest military escalation: clearly the proximity to the Russian border is concerning.
The overnight events are hardly the end of the Kiev government's attempt to regain the east: National Security Council secretary Andrey Parubiy has said that Kiev is planning to begin special military operations in other regions of Ukraine after it completes its current operations in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
Over the past few days, Ukraine has stepped up its military operations in southeastern Ukraine against pro-autonomy activists. The main opposition strongholds include Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Lugansk, and others.
Naturally, as the IMF made it quite clear last week, unless the acting government manages to supress eastern militias and activists, any Ukraine bailout money could be halted, the government's crackdown against its people is understandable. Just as understandable would be Russia's inevitable retaliation against Ukraine's crackdown, as the civil war become a full blown conflict between two nations.
But for now, perhaps the most dramatic footage of the night, is this clip from Mariupol, where a branch office of PrivatBank has just burned down to the ground. At this point US bankers are slaying various animals to their assorted idols hoping nobody in the US is watching this clip and getting any ideas.
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I wouldn't call it USA hegemony. It is more of an Anglo-American one. That was the whole point of Rhodes' machinations.
I agree that's why Quigley calls it the "Anglo Saxson Empire", ... or something like that, but Cecil Rhodes got rich in Africa, and he was obssessed with WHITE HEGEMONY.
With Portable Energy the power went from diamonds/gold to OIL in middle east, ... certainly in the USA BUSH became the master of the universe with close family connections to SAUDI-ARBIA post WW2.
Certainly 'BUSH' has VAST assets in UK & USA, and certainly the CIA/MI-6 seem to swap 'contracts' with each other's governments.
It's ODD that when we talk about Oligarch's BUSH-FAMILY isn't mentioned, me thinks they're TRILLIONAIRES, which are the unmentionables.
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Quigley thought he was doing good, and certainly believed that CLINTON could do good, e.g. minimize WAR they didn't see the end game ending well, they supported the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT as the end-game.
That' why the USA is being dismantled and destroyed, because nobody really cares, with all the assets that the BUSH family has in LONDON, most likely they have that place designed to be some kind of Island paradise post-war.
I don't think any part of the USA will be hospitable in the coming years, Jobs gone, ... Tech gone, just hungry mouths and idiots sucking the gubmint teat.
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The point is for the flag-waving PATRIOTS is your AMERICA is never coming back, ... either it self-destructs because of USD failure, or the NWO assholes (BUSH) win and take over the world; the ASSHOLES have no plans on staying in WASH-DC, Elysium will be LONDON or TEL-AVIV, ...maybe even a little bit in Sydney, which would be paradise for the NWO to run operation.
The BUSH tribe has no plan for the USA other than a penal colony, ... that's why all they're serious family assets over the last 100 years are outside of the USA.
Troll on James, troll on.
Know your enemy
AD
Flatly sophmoric James. Troll on bitch tits, troll on.
Know your enemy
AD
Oh, I see. You're saying that Quigley was Snowden v.1.0. ...And that - as a "whistleblower" paraded about and named as such by a controlled MSM - we should believe everything he has to say?
And you dare accuse another poster of imbibing too heavily on Kool-Aid.
re a different post, are you denying that Zio coreligionists (who's putative faith is Judaism) are at minimum the front men running the fiat printers and fiat distributors, the MSM, and the circuses in Hollywood and sports (and sports' media: ESPN)?
Take a gander at Forbes' list of the world's wealthiest 400. Nearly half are Jews. Are there fabulously wealthy folks who evade being on the list? Probably. So....are these folks just frontmen and administrators in your eyes?
* btw, tell me one thing that Snowden "revealed" that wasn't already known by most and suspected/presumed by all. For a guy who has billions of reams of such information...why disseminate it a paragraph at a time? You'll be dead by the time he gets to page 4.
Oh, and HE won't be "leaking" more info anyway because he handed over every iota to Glenn Greenwald (gasp, a jew). Snowden gives this important information to a SINGLE reporter? So important that everyone needs to know it? Um, why then to a SINGLE reporter? ...a reporter that Snowden had never met? And now Glenn's employer Omar is the de facto owner of that data. Greenwald is now suddenly rewarded with multimillion salary from Omar.
Yeah, that all sounds believable.
Enjoy your Kool-Aid
Yes quigley's work is indispensable reading. He nailed what motivated hitler to break free from the internatuonal banking system back then -
"Each central bank…sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”
It was no different in the early 20th century, during ww2 and its no different today
"Yes quigley's work is indispensable reading"
Read with a healthy dose of skepticism.
'I worked for I'm telling you is the most powerful organization on Earth. They can kill 1 individual or instigate a war and kill millions...all with the flip of a switch. But I'm here to tell you all of their secrets, and I want you to believe that I am not afraid of them. And, of course, I want you to believe everything I am telling you. Listen closely...and also please focus on the watch that I'm swaying in front of you.'
Cripes, how many of these operations do they have underway at any given time? I mean, we get a new Hitler every 12 to 18 months.
Noriega, Saddam, Somosa,... the list is long going back to WW2,
The USA has created more HITLER's than even a unicorn can list.
Hell Simon Black or any ZH poster couldn't list all our NAZI's there must be more than 19, or 27, or 37.
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No doubt that this is a honey-pot, but look another WAY? What if PUTIN made it easy for NEO-ZIO to pay, what if PUTIN set this up all along know NEO-ZIO-CON habit for theft, and what if PUTIN is just going to let the NEO-ZIO dinosaurs immerse themselves all the way to the eyeballs in the UKRAINE tar-pits?
The FACT that http://www.debka.com pulled the plug on this last week tells me that this was supposed to be an "EASY TAKE", ... now ISRAEL is pulling out, and leaving the CIA standing alone,...
There is more to this than meets the eye.
fuck Debka............Putin is in on this.........so is china.......come on-pay attn...
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http://www.debka.com is MOSSAD, when MOSSAD talks I listen, they're smart, and most of the time they tell the truth, and get shit right.
Telling is how often airplanes are hijacked in ISRAEL, ... NOT.
Like I said, this was supposed to be EASY picking for TEL-AVIV, and NULAND let them have Yakky to be the new prez of UKRAINE(KIEV), ... but without USA muscle, its all meaningless.
MOSSAD see's the writing on the wall, NATO boy's will no die, ... USA boys will not be sent to die, that only leaves UKRANIAN boys to be conscripted to kill their brothers, ... yep right, ...
Mossad said last week "RUN LIKE HELL".
Now the USA/CIA Nazi' stand alone defending what the stole and PUTIN is waiting like a FOX.
You can be sure the KGB and Spetnatz are collecting INTEL, and when PUTIN cleans house it may only take hours.
Time for a porn break "james", way to many posts with way to many catch phrase/name drops to count. Bush this, Hitler that, Clinton this, Mossad that, Nuland this, NATO that, KGB this, TEL-AVIV that, Isreal this, Obama that. Fuck off already.
Know your enemy
AD
"MOSSAD ... they're smart, and most of the time they tell the truth."
Well, thanks, that helped in trying to figure you out, James.
"The Russians saddle up slowly, but ride fast" Otto Von Bismarck
If you like your Hitler, you can keep your Hitler.
If you like your shopworn cliche, you can keep your shopworn cliche.
Seriously. Keep it. It's getting old.
Which one is going to be the New Hitler? And why do you think that?
"Yes, the idea is to trigger a Russia intervention, lead the Russian troops into a quagmire, and present a justification to the Western population regarding heavy sanctions on Russia even if it means shooting ourselves in the foot."
If that's their strategy, then it's a weak one.
How long can Ukraine's military sustain a prolonged occupation of the eastern provinces? This is a country that's broke, remember? Far from providing an excuse for Russia to roll in, all they've done so far is provide dead bodies to justify a guerilla response.
Many Russian-Ukrainians have military training, plus a good deal of equipment, thanks to early defections. They are fighting on their own turf and can choose their battles for maximum effect.
Same strategy as Vietnam. Wear the enemy down, destroy their morale, and so forth. Let that drag on for a few months, and we'll see which govt. becomes unpopular.
I'm betting the average UK enlisted man has zero interest in dying for the thugs in Kiev. Push comes to shove, he's going to bug out, especially since he has somewhere go. A new life in Russia with a few rubles to get started, vs. your ass shot off in the east? No brainer I'd say.
Putin's popularity will not be affected if he waits. The average Russian has enough grasp of the situation to not see that as weakness, especially with Crimea under his belt.
As for the EU/IMF, they pushed for this, I'm sure knowing it would fail thus getting them off the hook. Truth is, nobody really wants to pay for this mess, now that the bill is coming due.
First of all, people, you don't just flip a switch and send troops motoring across a border. You have to ship large amounts of fuel and food and ammo to the front with those troops, the movements of which would be obvious on satellite photos.
In that perspective, one has to wonder how these pro Russian forces are being supplied. If they are Ukrainian, they presumably have no jobs to go to on weekdays. Someone has to pay them, feed them and arm them. When you occupy a govt building, then what? Do the toilets stay turned on or do the pro Kiev forces shut off the water to that building.
Similarly, the pro Russian region of Moldova just a few miles from Odessa is speculated as the source of manpower to take control of Odessa. Again, where are their fuel trucks and food build up? Ships arriving from Russia to build up supplies for that would already have been seen.
Good questions.
Russia had a drill which means they could have the lions share of supplies there already.
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Why would you use ships to supply a land locked country?
Bank Burnt to the ground ... You drew me in with that headline, like a moth to the flame...
We certainly need "Bank Burning" to become the new flash mob fav activity. After all, it's not like there is much real fiat currency inside anyway, just computers and instant debt for the working man.
Burn Baby Burn !!
long marshmellows
marshmallows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls
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"At this point US bankers are slaying various animals to their assorted idols hoping nobody in the US is watching this clip and getting any ideas."...
Well said indeed!
Now if we could only put Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Stanley Fischer, Jack Lew and the Federal Reserve Board with the titular heads still living past and present into there office and well... "light a match"!
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I have a feeling they will all find themselves in a situation not too dissimilar from what you've described, eventually.
Well, they got the right enemy, the banks. They know who's oppressing them. unlike American sheeple. BURN ALL THE BANKS!!! Burn baby BURN!!!
It's just a building. Those burned bodies in Ukraine were disturbing though.
Sorry duplicate post.
Not as disturbing as the 3.5 to 5 million Ukrainians slaughtered by deliberate starvation by the Russians in the 1930's. An act of mass murder for which they never apologised or were held accountable.
Soviets did that. Not Russians.
Yep, an unusually large percentage of Bolshevik/Communist leaders were Jewish. Stalin was Georgian.
JPM Chase
Citibank
Wells Fargo
Bank Of America
Goldman Sachs
These are our oppressors. Soon, the people will be comomgh for you.
bullish! along with the terrible JPM news after the close, we should open up at least 8-10 handles!
not sure where i am a little confused by all this kissinger shinanaguns.
the bank
the burning one
the building that is still standing
and did not collapse at free fall speeds into its own footprint
the bank above
is it a rothschilds owned bank
does the the nazi german queen of england have stock in it.
what about soros,clintons or the bush drugs cartel?
no thought not
Nobody can say what comes next, but if Russia does move to defend the East Ukrainian cities, then you will see the Right Sector gangs running west like grease lightning! After Odessa, any Right Sector Nazi that the Spetsnaz catches is going to get some swift justice. You can bet that intelligence is following closely where the Right Sector groups are operating. One suspects that Putin may have cut a deal to let this all go down, the Kiev coup government is acting all secure and brave, like someone told them everything was good. If Putin cut a deal with the west, the Russian people will quickly turn on him, because popular opinion is turning ugly inside the Russian Federation. Especially after the Odessa operation.
If Russia moves, it will be very targeted and with very limited aims to protect cities and towns, not to chase down and engage the Ukrainian military except as needed to secure cities. If indeed Putin sits this massacre out, his standing is all down hill inside the Russian Federation. I can't tell you which way this goes, it is all up to Putin now. But it is high time Spetsnaz begins targeted killings of Right Sector nazis. If NATO does not like it, tell NATO to stop inavding and killing all over the world. Or Russia could use the battle cry "Remember Serbia!".
War is good for business, remember that. And where is the Nuland cunt? The bitch now has blood soaked hands, perhaps she is hiding in Israel?
Jack, only a week ago http://www.debka.com raised the FLAG and told all ZIONISTS to come home that UKRAINE had been all but lost.
Like all power vacuum, I can tell you what is going to happen now.
Look at Vietnam when the french left the USA moved in,...
This operation is look more and more like a setup, first NULAND and KERRY/HILLARY create the COUP and provide $5 BILLION USD CARROT, ... THAT WAS THE Easy part.
Now the writing is on the WALL, DEBKA said last week OBAMA will not send in troops to SUPPORT the ZIO PUPPETS in KIEV.
So now another PARTY step's into the power vacuum, and who would that be?
Most likely the NAZI's who were played and PAID from the beginning, and like always at some point the USA will step in too, just like they always do CREATE SADDAM then destroy him, create NORIEGA then destroy him, ...
What's PUTIN to do? Best to let it FESTER, cuz it will all eventually bite the USA/ISRAEL/NATO in the ARSE, on the other hand PUTIN needs to make a JESTER to support RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
My bet is 'time', ... also I would love to see some hard evdience provided to the EASTERN MSM showing that the CIA is behind the OP, and proof that the ODESSA death's are CIA PAID, that kind of stuff could KILL the USA and the USD, which is the end-game here for almost everyone.
The NEO-ZIO-CON's were led to an opening, just like a boxer provides a target and ZIO's bit, and now they have a BIG problem, PUTIN needs to play this smart the LONGER it festers the worst it will be for the USA.
How many RUSSIANS can PUTIN tolerate being murdered by the CIA, me thinks 1,000's
There is a lot of truth in what you say James. I think too that Putin and Russia will accept 1,000+ and we see that number as a real possibility inside the month on May.
The IMF said they needed to secure Eastern Ukraine, not to bbq those "responsible" for the unsecuring.
Could this be used as a pretext for NATO to engage on a peacekeeping mission into Ukraine?
One way or the other, it gets NATO a foothold inside the counrty and on Russias border.
Burn motherfuckers burn.
Putin going after bigger game. Timiing is everything. I think I've got a clue what it is. He's going to bring down a goverment
Putin's next move will be a left hook that obama doesn't see coming. It won't be Ukraine.
I don't think Vlad will be aiming at Obama since he knows full well he is a clueless spineless puppet. He is after slightly bigger things.
Working with China to expedite a Saudi oil alliance would be an interesting left hook.
Oh, and it's no surprise that Putin, the one-time Judo champion, is taking his time.
"Thus the true Judoist needs prove nothing and pride themselves on the minimum response when forced to defensive actions. The assurance this creates to the ego does not make them belligerent, but rather very tolerant. They submit to more provocation and indignity than the average person who feels the need to save face and prove himself. This translates as self-assurance which frees the Judoist from peer pressure and encourages true self-expression. "
http://judoinfo.com/ojudo1.htm
Putin does not need to do anything at the moment for the following reasons:
1) Germany will be seen as anti Russian by Russian people in siding with the US on increasing sanctions, especially with the current neo-nazi right wing government in the Ukraine.
2) Sanctions by US seen as attack on Russian people for Russian speaking people being killed in the Ukraine.
3)The footage of Russian people being killed and burnt alive in the Ukraine will play in Russia over and over again and will raise the anger level of the Russian people.
Eventually the Russian people will demand Putin do something to protect Russian people and Russian interests, at which time he will have the complete support of the entire country behind him, the Russian people are prepared to put up with far more hardship than any western country would tolerate when they feel victimized.
At which point Putin will say that he must support the will of the Russian people who have demanded he protect Russian speakers in the Ukraine and will invade for humanitarian reasons, the US and Europe will have done all the steps necessary themselves without him lifting a finger.
I would not underestimate the image of Russians being trapped in a building which is set on fire to die and its effect on the Russian people.
The NAZIs during WWII (and presumably their Banderista allies) were notorious for herding Russian (and Ukrainian!) peasants into churches and buildings and setting fire to them (as shown in various Russian films, such as "Come and See" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_See )
This will put lots on pressure on Putin to respond (with an out and out invasion of UA), but I am convinced that he *won't* take the bait since he is still ahead in the game, and time is on his side.
I do believe, however, that he will respond asymetrically - it will be very interesting (if scary) to see what happens next...
Yes, Russians are already extremely upset by this, many have family, friends, or old co-workers in the eastern parts of Ukraine. These killings will really intensify things. No doubt the crowds chasing the Kiev/IMF military vehicles out of cities suggests an increased willingness to resist. And I hope this sort of resistance spreads quickly so that things don't get out of hand.
Special operations are a great option for Russia now, however, they cannot wait too long before making a stand to the red line. They cannot end up looking like Obama/Kerry red marker clowns.
(Great film, although very graphic.)
Thinking of the long hot summer coming to US cities... and a possible bonfire of the vanities.
In the US, if they (JPM) freeze a bank account, they charge - get this! - $100Billion against the account. True, no joke.
/ Why, if they did this to 175 accounts, why the $17.5T national debt would be sponges up. / sarc
Point is, whether in the US, EU or Ukraine, the CB MFers can play any bookie game they want to -- as long as it suits them, or as long as King Dollar is still king.
After discussing the situation with my Ukrainian wife, we believe that Putin is waiting until a critical mass of Russians demand intervention. Then he can once again be the hero. Until then he is politically vulnerable, so he will have to be patient and let the media images continue to sink in.
A critical mass of Russians will demand intervention. Russian middle class in Moscow is now on board.
Putin will have to send Russian armed forces in or he will be removed.
Zerohedge is totally captive of the Russian propaganda machine. Inherited from the Soviets, it is strong and relentless.
I am dismayed at the brazenness of misrepresentation here, and powerless, as a single individual on the ground in Ukraine, to fight the tide. Truly between a rock and a hard place. Dependent on the collapsing, feckless, corrupt and frequently dissembling West to defend against a real aggression. Unfortunately, they wasted all their credibility and capital on battles in the middle east that did not have to be fought.
Ukraine has survived a millennium of Russian aggression, carnage and misrule. Looks like we are in for some more. Thank God we are a tough people.
Comical. Always the same pattern with Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizens, the non participating entity is to be blamed for any disruption.
Your historical knowledge is dubious at best, in fact, you appear to know only the usual propaganda line. Perhaps you forget Ukraine was the birthplace of Russia? Or perhaps you forget when Poland ruled Ukraine? Or perhaps you forget when Ukraine was part of the Lithuanian empire? Forget the tatar invasions, the mongol invasion or the two German invasions? Soviet USSR was not a natural Russian entity and was ruled and organized by a Gerorgian and two Ukrainians during it's life time. Urban Jews in Ukraine were the heart of the Soviet Communist Party in Ukraine, perhaps that slipped your mind? Or you forget that upon the ending of the USSR, Russia allowed the entire Soviet Republic of Ukraine, even though it held much Russian territory, full independence. With no shots fired. Or you have lost track of the last 20 years in which native Ukrainians have totally fucked up their economy, even Poland has vastly outperformed Ukraine.
In short, you lack of any historical background or even a clue seems to mark your view point as a lie based on your political hopes for a perverted West Ukrainian minority as the new fascist dictators of Ukraine?
Clueless as Nuland, willfully ignorant because facts would insult the dream world you seem to think makes up the proven historical place of Ukraine in relation to the Moscow centered Russian state of post USSR days.
Granted living without a fact based reality does allow one to get onboard with the Kiev coup Right Sector idiots.
In the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian Army demoralized by the Afghanistan adventure and the collape itself that it could no more have prevented Ukrainian independence then it could any of the other former republics.
It appears the Ukrainians have not forgotten the 3.5 to 5 million Ukrainians that the Russians deliberately starved to death. Or that they did so to trade the food the Ukrainians grew to the west (including the Nazis) for industrial equipment.
More of that victimhood...
forgot that Russian and Kzakhstan were starved as well?
or that from 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control, and after Stalin was a Ukrainian?
Russians suffered more than any.
How do you think the American military will react when the US collapses? Honest question.
That was a branch of financial terrorism.
What did they expect would happen to it.
Zerohedge is totally captive of the Russian propaganda machine. Inherited from the Soviets, it is strong and relentless.
I am dismayed at the brazenness of misrepresentation here, and powerless, as a single individual on the ground in Ukraine, to fight the tide. Truly between a rock and a hard place. Dependent on the collapsing, feckless, corrupt and frequently dissembling West to defend against a real aggression. Unfortunately, they wasted all their credibility and capital on battles in the middle east that did not have to be fought.
Ukraine has survived a millennium of Russian aggression, carnage and misrule. Looks like we are in for some more. Thank God we are a tough people.
As if repeation makes true story out of false facts.
State department fake Ukrainian trolls? I hear the pay is 50 Euros a day.
dont worry be happy.........the Rothchilds have ur back.......
Yes, it is puzzling why so many ZHers are reflexively taking Putin's side. I personally don't see any good guys in this fight-- aside from the average Ukrainian, that is. Ukraine is like Poland or India, or the Balkans--two thousand years of other people's history has taken a heavy toll.
It's theatre...like Thunderdome.
Banzi, Multiple up arrows if I could. I've been saying te same thing for quite some time.
http://theeveningchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-uglyness-continues-to-grow.html
Powerless. Alone. Fighting the tide. Truly between a rock and a hard place. I will survive as we are a tough people.
Is this supposed to engender sympathy for you and your neo-Nazi leaders? Burning people alive in a building is unforgivable. I hope you will pay for this someday.
You talk like an American, as if Ukraine is a country. It is not.
"At this point US bankers are slaying various animals to their assorted idols hoping nobody in the US is watching this clip and getting any ideas."
It's quotes like this that make me read this site. Pray for Ukraine.
Not that anybody here will believe it, but my Ukrainian friends who are remaining glued to the TV report the following about Odessa.
There was a large pro-Ukrainian demonstration planned and advertised. It was well attended.
Pro-Russian activists organized a counter-protest. They brough arms, as they have done thoughoutout, with the intention of provoking bloodshed. There was an encounter, and they used their weapons - Kalishnikovs, it is said. They injured/killed some protestors.
Odessa is not Donetsk. Citizens there are defiant. It was always a rough place, even in Soviet times. They don't like to be pushed around. Unlike pro-Ukrainian demonstrators in Donetsk, these people got mad and got even. They turned and chased the armed pro-Russian demonstrators. The latter split into two groups, one heading for the trade union building.
Molotov cocktails were used, thrown from inside the building out at the pro-Ukrainians who had cornered them, and thrown into the building through first-story windows. The configuration of the building was such that there was no escape, and many died of smoke inhalation. Their bodies were intact.
Papers on the bodies identified them as being from Russia and Transdniestra. Of course, it is the Ukrainians who read the papers, so this observation will be discounted. It is, however, consistent with the modus operandi of Russia in Crimea, Yanukovych during Maidan, and Russia in the east of Ukraine. Import thugs and arm them.
Russia is a big, powerful state actor with a propaganda machine that has worked now for close to a century. Ukraine is just pulling itself together after having overthrown a Russian stooge, Yanukovych, who allowed the Russians infiltrate the security apparatus, military and press. The Russian advantage in PR is overwhelming. The Ukrainians may have truth on their side, but they don't have the mechanism to get it heard. Europe and the Obama administration know what is happening, but their own credibility is poor.
This blog is about as good as it gets. Pathetic - badly translated and a bit shrill. But the guy does seem to get good information
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/dmitry-tymchuks-military-blog-odes...
Weigh this, as another side of the story, and also as a measure of the power of Russian's ability to broadcast its message. Its propaganda power.
Ya. When will you be paying your gas bill? And oil bill?
How long did you expect to get that free?
Papers on the bodies identified them as being from Russia and Transdniestra.
Undamaged passports? Again? What are the chances?! Well, now I'm convinced.
Ah, typical Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizen, exporting conduct of your location on a foreign body.
Looks like Euro Maidan has it's own Right Sector protestor here on ZH doesn't it stooge? After all, we like to hear all viewpoints here on ZH. 50 Euros a day for posting the CIA's talking points on the Heros of Maidan.
It's a neo-nazi version of the 50 Cent Party. The reason it's 50 Euros is because US taxpayers are footing the bill.
Thank you. It is refreshing to get some real information here that comes from sources directly on the ground.
What you are saying mirrors what Martin Armstrong has been saying. He claims to have his own trusted sources inside Ukraine and bases his own analyses on that information, as opposed to what is being generated by the propaganda machines on both sides.
The problem with most Americans who frequent ZH is, we are so incredibly cynical about the CIA propaganda machine (aka mainstream media) that we forget that Russia has its own highly sophisticated propaganda matrix as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some part of that matrix has found its way inside the ZH comment threads.
The Matrix is everywhere. Think critically.
The Matrix is everywhere. Ignore everything.
Ah, so the Russians are worried that the (influential?) readers of ZH – of all sites – might not be cynical enough about the role and intentions of the U.S.?
Nyet.
"No matter how cynical you get, you can't keep up." -- Lily Tomlin
"Martin Armstrong claims"
Da, nothing new...
You're full of crap...
Many/most of those burned were women and kids that ran in the building when radicals attacked.
Not that anybody here will believe it, but my Ukrainian friends who are remaining glued to the TV report the following about Odessa.
There was a large pro-Ukrainian demonstration planned and advertised. It was well attended.
Pro-Russian activists organized a counter-protest. They brough arms, as they have done thoughoutout, with the intention of provoking bloodshed. There was an encounter, and they used their weapons - Kalishnikovs, it is said. They injured/killed some protestors.
Odessa is not Donetsk. Citizens there are defiant. It was always a rough place, even in Soviet times. They don't like to be pushed around. Unlike pro-Ukrainian demonstrators in Donetsk, these people got mad and got even. They turned and chased the armed pro-Russian demonstrators. The latter split into two groups, one heading for the trade union building.
Molotov cocktails were used, thrown from inside the building out at the pro-Ukrainians who had cornered them, and thrown into the building through first-story windows. The configuration of the building was such that there was no escape, and many died of smoke inhalation. Their bodies were intact.
Papers on the bodies identified them as being from Russia and Transdniestra. Of course, it is the Ukrainians who read the papers, so this observation will be discounted. It is, however, consistent with the modus operandi of Russia in Crimea, Yanukovych during Maidan, and Russia in the east of Ukraine. Import thugs and arm them.
Russia is a big, powerful state actor with a propaganda machine that has worked now for close to a century. Ukraine is just pulling itself together after having overthrown a Russian stooge, Yanukovych, who allowed the Russians infiltrate the security apparatus, military and press. The Russian advantage in PR is overwhelming. The Ukrainians may have truth on their side, but they don't have the mechanism to get it heard. Europe and the Obama administration know what is happening, but their own credibility is poor.
This blog is about as good as it gets. Pathetic - badly translated and a bit shrill. But the guy does seem to get good information
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/dmitry-tymchuks-military-blog-odes...
Weigh this, as another side of the story, and also as a measure of the power of Russian's ability to broadcast its message. Its propaganda power.
As usual, too much to correct.
You know, Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizens are those type of people who can claim that there is no land mines in a land mine field, hearing the loud explosion and the screams of people exploded by mines.
Germany and the communists were in awe of what FDR pulled on Americans. They took notes. You seem to think Russia is the shit when it comes to propaganda.
I am aware that the Soviet union were masters of propaganda fomenting the college students of the 60's and early 70's into shaming the USA into losing the Vietam war, opposing nuclear energy and pushing nuclear disarmament. The propaganda put out by today's media, filled with current administration worshipping / party line cock sucking whores; puts the Soviet unions propaganda efforts to shame.
Now with ODSL!
Obama Dick Sucking Lips
Kiev Post? Now that is hard hitting journalism, and fact based too. I am impressed to no end by the Kiev nazis and their Right Sector heros of Maidan, where else do people shoot their own people to manufacture some heros? Lets see how Right Sector performs when justice comes looking for them. The west officially supports Al-Qaeda in Syria, Now we have our own tame Nazis in Kiev. What next, Maoists in Columbia?
Next is:
Klingons in Organia
Keep an eye on Syria.
Syria cannot delay removing chemical weapons: U.S.
Syrian militants, Hezbollah clash near border
Growing number of Americans are in Middle East civil war
The last suggests a reason to send some drones in to kill Americans and defuse any idea that it was the government working with AlCIAda.
Stupid ass-wipe.
Kyiv post is lowest crap
Bus loads of radicals arrived over last weeks
told to lay low, but local citizens were aware
Over 80% Odessa is against the Kyiv gangsters
That is from two friends from families of generations in Odessa
"Not that anybody here will believe it, but my"
Bingo we agree on something.
FUCK THE BANKS!!!!!!
I think many of the worlds citizens will admire Putins' patience on this issue.
He must think all the money and goodwill spent on the Olympics was wasted.
He must also think that "if this is how I get treated for behaving myself".......
Dunno why but I think this conflict and Syria are strongly connected. Both are proxies.
Once Vlad gets moving the merc's and neo's will be desperate to escape the dragnet,trying to avoid the close encounter with a cattle prod,a la Abu Graib.
Odessa will be the tipping point.Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube now.The DC mob must be shitting themselves (I.E.,WHO IS GONNA GET BLAMED FOR THIS?).
And the Gas gets shut off.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-kremlin-in...
"Ukraine crisis: Kremlin insists it cannot control pro-Russian separatists and calls for dialogue with West"
Now that is a headline. The propaganda war went hot long ago.
The basketball coach in LA is racist and doesn't sit next to blacks.
Racism in basketball is a huge problem. Obama must address this issue and perhaps pass laws forcing racists to sell their teams.
When is the black man finally going to get a break in organized professional basketball??
Them or us, eh?
We're only human.
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on Yahoo News (and others) for repeating half truths and recycled Soviet Communist propaganda about the massacre at the Khatyn forest.
Firstly, at the time Khatyn was but one site in Belo-Russia where the Soviets took to slaughtering Poles. There were also mass executions of Poles in Tyer, Minsk, Bykownia, and Kharkov. Over 60,000 Poles were deported to Kazakhstan in 1940, never to return. Tens of thousands more disappeared into the Gulag or unmarked graves in the post war's nearly 50 years of Soviet occupation.
Secondly, this was not the first mass murder at Khatyn. The first slaughtered and buried in mass graves were not local villagers killed by the Nazis but those members of the Polish Officer Corps that were captured by the Red Army when they invaded Poland in 1939 as part of their secret deal with the Nazis. Many a Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian suffered the same fate as part of the same secret deal.
Thirdly, documents discovered after the fall of the Soviet Union revealed the guilt of the Red Army and the NKVD in the slaughter of nearly 22,000 Polish officers. A number that makes the Nazis killing of 149 villagers pale by comparison.
Is Yahoo's news staff (they're not alone) so lazy or inept as to be ignorant of these facts? Didn't any one teach you people that WW II started with a deal between the Nazis and the Soviets, or that the Poles were the only Allied power to lose the war? Have they forgotten that Stalin and the communists starved as many as 5,000,000 Ukrainians to death in the 1930's? Have they forgotten that the communists have killed at least ten fold the number that the Nazis ever did? Do they even care?
Shame on Yahoo News. Their readers, and all of us deserve better.
Please, can someone tell me what to think? I have important shit to do a stuff to watch on tv. All of this conflicting fact and opinion are just too much. Just tell me what to believe and who to vote for.
It's easy if you simply imagine a topless Nuland riding a pale horse. If that doesn't work, try Van Rompuy
Oh Jesus ive had over a 20pk and just ate a large cheese pizza someone please help! Brap!
fuk it i need ice cream.
I live in the US.
LMAO.
IMF is a terrorist organization.
Blood for money.
Killing unarmed civilians.
Bankster War!
It's prime time for operation Storm-333.
After that, Yanukovich can return to Ukraine, stop the "ATO", dismiss the parliament, arrest everyone involved in the coup.
Most are completely ignorant of what led to this operation.
and what they think they know about Soviet involvement in Afghan
is mistaken from strong media brainwash.
"Afgantsy" Rodric Braitewaite
I don't quite get you, what do you mean?
When I posted, I knew someone would react to it in a sense it would bring up the discussion of Soviet involvement in Afghanistan. I do not want to discuss Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. I used operation "Storm-333" only as an example of a similar operation that theoretically could be executed in Kiev. Storm Bankova street with paratroopers, fly in Yanukovich with a helicopter, then he, as elected president of Ukraine, issues a decree dismissing the parliament (Verhovna rada), takes over the command of armed forces as supreme commander, stops the so called "Anti Terrorist Operation", arrests the clowns who thought they could get away with the coup. He can also dump all responsibility for Crimea's secession on the coup clowns, by telling that if the opposition did not violate the agreement signed between him and opposition leaders, everything would be fine. For him, it would be a win-win situation, but I doubt he would be elected for second term. But, such operation would require consent of Yanukovich himself, and I'm not sure he has the balls to come to Kiev, even under heavy protection of special forces. On the other side, he doesn't have to be in Kiev in order to issue decrees I mentioned above, he only has to be on the territory of Ukraine. If he were to return of his own, without protection of special forces, he would probably be arrested. Such operation would be very bold, and if successful, would probably save Ukraine from disintegration, and would limit Russia's military exposure to a minimum, in a sense that full-scale, head-on war would be avoided.
Maybe Putin will do something like I described above, but only after IMF transfers the money to Ukraine, so Gazprom could get paid for the gas first, and then fuck the IMF, by telling them that loan agreement was signed by illegitimate government. It would be classy, Putin-style, total humiliation of the west. In the end, he would get to keep the country and the money, leaving others with a stupid grin on their face.
Obama has to tell bad Putin jokes at his own roast. That says a lot.
"Obama made fun of conservative television hosts' talk about Putin's bare chest and a comment from one last year about Putin being headed for a Nobel peace prize. “To be fair, they give those to just about anybody these days,” said Obama, who received the prize in 2009."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/04/jokes-come-thick-and-fast-a...
At least the gold will still be recoverable. Less said about the FIAT the better.
Zerohedge:
My comments:
My impression is that IMF and others in the West wish to stir up Ukrainians against Russians and vice versa.
It is hard to deny that the transitional government in Ukraine is a result of a coup d´état. If protesters take over the parliament and force pro-Yanukovich MP:s to oust Yanukovich it is hard to say that this was not a coup d´état. Even if Yanukovich was quite corrupt it was still a coup d´état. Also keep in mind that West so far always has accepted corrupt regimes in countries like Greece, Spain and - up to about 20 years ago - Italy. The Yeltsin regime in Russia was also corrupt, but that was no problem for the West as long as the right oligarchs benefited from it.
Also keep in mind that Victoria Nuland before the coup d´état was talking over the phone about which Ukrainian politicians that should form the new government. That´s absolutely astounding.
What we have here is a coup d´état which seems to have been carried out by Western intelligence organizations in co-operation with the Ukrainian opposition. It also seems as if this coup d´état coincides with Yanukovich´s choice to sign a treaty with Russia rather than the EU. So it seems as if the West has been more anxious to expand the EU and the future Western economic trade bloc than not violating the principle not to overthrow democratically elected governments.
Another striking feature of the Ukrainian coup d´état i s the fact that big, Western mainstream mass media have blinked the fact that ultra nationalists participated in the revolution and even became a part of the transitional government. Usually, the big media in the West find European governments with ultra nationalists as an outrageous idea. But not now accept it. There got to be a reason for that. It also seems as if moderate nationalists in the West, such as Geert Wilders in the Netherlands do not think that the Western policy towards Ukraine benefits the Ukrainians.
Somehow I get the impression that the West wishes to stir up Ukrainians against Russians and vice versa. It shouldn´t be a problem to have a referendum in former Russian parts of Eastern Ukraine and let the people there decide whether they want to secede from Ukraine or not. The EU and the West would not lose much future territory and population because of that. Most of Ukraine would still be a part of the West. So I reckon this would be the most simple solution to the problem. But the West does not want this simple solution. Instead, they encourage the transitional Ukrainian government to use force against the separatists in eastern Ukraine. Why? There got to be a reason why the West does not choose the least painful solution to the problem. They could at least have told the Ukrainian government to let the Russians in the East keep their Russian speaking TV broadcasts. Do they want something similar to former Yugoslavia in Ukraine? Do they want to be able to blame the extermination on the kulaks in the 1930s on a conflict between Russians and Ukrainians rather than another historical ethnic conflict in Ukraine?
In any case I hope that Russia is smart enough to stay out of Eastern Ukraine. I think that Western leaders, or at least the lobbyists, know what they are doing in Ukraine. The best solution for Russia, and for Russians in Eastern Ukraine, is probably a quick victory for the Ukrainian transitional government in eastern Ukraine. The Russians only make matters worse if people in Eastern Ukraine can not participate in the elections due to a civil war. It is possible that some stupid Russian speaking separatists continue to fight even if Russia officially declares that they should give up. It is even possible that someone else who wants the fighting to continue will provide the separatists with means that will enable them to continue to fight the Ukrainian transitional government. But as regards Russia I doubt that the best option is to support the separatists.
Historically, I also must say that Western involvement in Russian politics (or rather involvement by individuals with great influence on Western politics as well) has been very unfortunate for Russia and Ukraine. There are actually some interesting books which cover this topic and have been published by mainstream publishing houses. “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution” by Antony Sutton is one example. “Ryska Posten” (unfortunately in Swedish) by the Swedish district attorney Hans Björkegren is another example.
I think that it is a problem that so much information about what has happened in the former Soviet Union over the past 25 years and information on the Russian revolution and the following civil war does not reach the public at large in the West. Even for someone like myself, who is searching for information on my own, it is hard to get the information I want. For example, I knew very little about the oligarchical topography of Ukraine before I read this article on Zerohedge where Andrey Fursov provides such information:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/battleground-ukraine-comprehensive-summary-russian-perspective
Although I don´t agree with many of Fursov´s ideas I must say that his information on the oligarchs and political clans may be a first step to understand current Ukrainian politics. This also reflects the degree of lack of information ordinary people in the West have. So much information is hidden from us, especially for those who are not searching for information themselves.
That's a fine summary. The link on the oligarchs is informative. I did take pause at this section, however:
The "Yellowstone Threat"Of course, there is this Yellowstone threat - I mean the super-volcano. That could completely change the rules of play at any time. The super-volcano could solve for the Western elite the very problems which they've been trying to solve for the last 50-60 years and have been unable to. An eruption of the volcano could solve those problems. But that's another subject.
WTF?
The Yellowstone super volcano is about the size of Manhattan. It last went about 700,000 years ago and it put about 10 feet of ash on Nebraska at the time. It will kill everything within a circle of 700 to 1000 miles in circumference and blacken the skies with ash over most of the United States and parts of Canada.
Recently at least in alternative sites, we have seen film of Buffalo and antelope leaving the area, some buffalo actually running down the highway which is unuusal. The surface area of the park has risen about 10 inches lately and there are reports of helium 4 gas coming out of the volcano. That is important because it helps to keep the molten lava in check. When it belches out, it releives pressure on the lava and allows great opportunity for the cork to come off.
Earth quakes in the park area have increased lately and are larger. There was a 5.0 quake there not long ago and some think it is possibly related to volcano activity in Idaho as they are all connected below the surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6iT05KUlw
Merkel's NSA phone records are sitting behind a flame.
Burn the Banks!!
They should come over here. There is an abundance of them over here. They would be busy burning them for a decade.
Instead of production it's financialization in the US.
http://youtu.be/xNnAvTTaJjM
US Government foreign policy is meddle, murder, corrupt, and destroy for the enjoyment and parasitic enrichment of crony-capitalists and their political minions.
No Foreign Entanglements.
Psst, 270 Park Ave. 10017.
War is nature's way of controlling the human population.
Yeah right.
Mother Nature says to herself: "fuck his shit, let's get the Ukrainians and the Russians to kill themselves".
You really expect me to believe that there is some Universal Law, written by God, that states, when the number of humans on Earth is too big, let's get them to kill each other.
Eugenicistic ideals like that are what is wrong with the current materialistic/hedonistic West.
They, the Westerners, see:
- 1 billion in China
- another billion in India
- another billion in Africa
- another billion in Eastern Europe+Middle East+South America,
mostly hungry mouths to feed, and so see them as competition for resources, and then develop all kinds of ideas, that "we are too many and need reduction", and then fool imbeciles like you, to think that somehow if we are too many, war is inevitable.
Eugenism is just a politically correct expression of the West's greed.
What they really want to say with "we are too many, we need to reduce world's population" is "we want you fucking 3rd worlders dead, you fucking scum, sitting on our oil in the Middle East and Syberia, and our mineral resources in Africa and South America, you fucking unwashed scum".
War is not a product of Nature. War is a product of greed and complacency.
Western Elites' greed combined with common Westerners' complacency. As long I have my Iphone, fuck the child slave labour in China right?
Westerners are not innocent in this.
Their economic model, of cheap energy is what is causing this.
The religious beliefs of the Western elites (Zionists), their pride and hubris, is what is causing this.
The greed and arrogance of the West is causing this.
So stop this shit about Mother Nature, somehow causing war. It's the West.
There certainly is a long list of other causes of death that will explain larger chunks of human mortality than war. No (clean or any) water, food, nicotine (as a surrogate for all kinds of cancers, carcinogenic or other wise toxic/lethal substances, and radiation), traffic and (all kinds of accident-induced) deaths, or simply "old age"/natural causes; just to name a view. But at times, war-induced mortality spikes, but I'd not put it "up there" for now. IF there is a WWIII, this may change, but even then, this will be short-term and not a long-term sustained source of overall human mortality.
Thats one way to stop Monday's Bank Run
" At this point US bankers are slaying various animals to their assorted idols hoping nobody in the US is watching this clip and getting any ideas."
What a stupid comment.
US Bankers worship Satan.
"but my Ukrainian friends who are remaining glued to the TV report the following about Odessa."
Well ... there's some real on-the-ground sources from citizens unaffected by media propaganda. Thanks so much!