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Guest Post: Even A Money-Losing Pizza Chain Can Do An IPO

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Authored by Jonathan Weil, originally posted at Bloomberg View,

Just when it seemed like investors might have lost some of their appetite for initial public offerings of companies that lose money . . . yeah, right.

Papa Murphy's Holdings Inc. priced its IPO today at $11 a share. The stock closed up a nickel. I've grown accustomed to seeing IPOs by profitless technology companies. But this is a pizza chain that had net losses of $606,000 in 2011, $2.1 million in 2012 and $2.6 million in 2013.

Now it has a stock-market value of about $187 million, or about 2.3 times its revenue last year. Founded in 1981, Papa Murphy's, based in Vancouver, Washington, sells uncooked pizzas that customers take home to bake. It had been majority-owned since 2010 by private-equity firm Lee Equity Partners LLC.

I can somewhat understand the appeal of speculating on some unproven Internet company that loses money but promises to change the world. But a 33-year-old pizza chain? Come on. In its registration statement, the company said that it has been "repeatedly rated the #1 pizza chain in the United States by multiple third-party consumer studies." So assuming that's true, why can't it make money?

Oh, but wait. It does make money on an "adjusted Ebitda" basis, which is one of those silly metrics that companies make up when they don't have actual profits to show off. Papa Murphy's said it had $24.4 million of adjusted Ebitda last year, which helpfully excluded such obviously unimportant items as -- their words here, not mine -- "expenses not indicative of future operations," "management fees and related expenses," "transaction costs" and "new store pre-opening expenses."

And of course, this makes soooo much sense. Because as we all know, management fees, transaction costs and new-store expenses aren't the same things as money. And shouldn't we all be blessed with the same power of insight that Papa Murphy has to distinguish between expenses that are indicative of the future and expenses that aren't?

Go ahead, try the pizza. But stay away from the stock.


Nope - No Bubble Here!!!

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Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:06 | 4724763 Mr. Dew
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They've been littering the SiriusXM feed of CNBC with their ads lately.  Right up there with the Viagra knockoff ads, the penny stock spotlight ads, and the "Market Trend Software—a new company!" ads that have been running for a few years now.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:31 | 4724816 XenoFrog
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Papa Murphy's pizzas have the same effect on me that Taco Bell does. Eat a meal and then spend the next 6-12 hours shitting out your insides in the bathroom.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:37 | 4724825 booboo
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Right, the first hint is in the name, everyone should know that no mick can make a decent pie.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:38 | 4724826 Stackers
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We're all Pandora now.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:44 | 4724840 666
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P. T. Barnum was right.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:49 | 4724853 AlaricBalth
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Stocks aren't bought, they're sold.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:00 | 4724883 knukles
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Take the pork out and IPO it in the Middle East as a religious meal provider.
Better yet, enough Campaign Contributions and Mooch'll have it on her approved school meal list a la Reagan's tomatoes are vegetables.
Come to think of it, what else...

Knukies, that's a bad idea tp plant in somebody's head in DC, FFS

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:12 | 4724912 Squid-puppets a...
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You might lose 95% of your investment, but you get a free garlic bread!

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:51 | 4724973 bonin006
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Not tomatoes Knukles - they are too natural - not enough money in it for big biz - it was ketchup.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 10:55 | 4725730 CheapBastard
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Who in their right mind would buy a pizza so they can spend on hour cooking it at home [after half hour picking it up!]?

Is this a new fad? People I know buy pizza so they DON'T have to cook.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:10 | 4725764 sleigher
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It is supposed to be cheaper this way.  Whatever, their pizza is disgusting.  It might be a neat idea if it were actually cheaper and the pizza was good. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:21 | 4725785 DaveyJones
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they need the dough or their cake is baked 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:49 | 4727175 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Uncooked pizzas are eligible for EBT. It's a gateway to EBT $$$

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:51 | 4724860 Urban Redneck
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When an anonymous poster...

On a fringe blog site...

Can file a shelf registration...

For a cash shell...

And raise 8 figures of equity in an IPO...

Then perhaps we will have reached peak madness, and the crowd will see the light.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4724918 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Bitchez Brewery....

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:42 | 4724836 XenoFrog
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Usually it's highschool kids who may or may not have changed their plastic gloves after using the bathroom.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:59 | 4724881 W.M. Worry
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You're supposed to cook it before you eat it.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:03 | 4724889 knukles
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As a good minded individual, one of upstanding maturity and character, in the interests of population control, sanitation and ecology, I always reused my condoms as a lad.  Just kept turning it inside out.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:06 | 4724893 XenoFrog
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Sat, 05/03/2014 - 22:00 | 4724990 Carl Popper
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Xeno baby!

Our cute and sexy outspoken token zionist.

I thought you had disappeared.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 22:21 | 4725029 Suisse
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How do we know that XenoFrog's avatar is actually her and not from someone random on facebook? I found her avatar on an inactive facebook account. I could upload a picture of maria bartiromo as my avatar, doesn't mean it's me. 


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 08:31 | 4725534 pods
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We have been over this, people can use pics found on the net as an avatar.

Mine's real though.


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 09:27 | 4725601 Pure Evil
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Same here.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:02 | 4725740 G.O.O.D
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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:48 | 4725831 Yes We Can. But...
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Well, uh, let me be, uh, perfectly clear - I, uh, or rather my,  avatar, uh, is, uh real.  As real as, uh, the success of the ACA.  As real as, uh, the birth certificate I, uh, voluntarily provided, prior to, or, rather, uh, after the election.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:04 | 4726062 Skateboarder
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I'm mothafucking Gandalf, bitchezzz.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:52 | 4727180 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Don't ask about my avatar. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 10:31 | 4725685 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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My avatars is real and unique. There are many like it but this one is mine. I named it Surely.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:36 | 4724951 Blano
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Did you do the same with your women???

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:48 | 4724848 therevolutionwas
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Go see a doctor.  Something is wrong with you.  The Papa Murphy's I consume are all fresh ingredients.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:52 | 4724865 Omegaman2211
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Fucking clown.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:56 | 4724873 therevolutionwas
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I do fuck but am not a clown.  Thanks just the same retard.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:13 | 4724914 klockwerks
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Great product, always cooks up great and good bang for the buck.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 22:28 | 4725045 ebworthen
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It was before they raised their prices 40%.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4724916 BeetleBailey
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..then the fuckin pie I had must have detoured into a fucking horse barn.

I was suspect of something that spliced and Irish Mic with a Wop entree...right from the start.....

As the fuckin pie baked, it smelled like Smarty Jones took a piss in the oven....

We cautiously removed the stinking pie from the oven....sat there in it's putrid odor....

we then nibbled some toppings from the smoldering diameter of dough with what looked like encrusted shit on it....tasted like the family dog's droppings....

...we even gave the fuckin pie to the dogs after it cooled off....they want no part of it....we then cheered them on to lift a leg on whiz on it...no go....

Papa Fuckin Murphys.


Sat, 05/03/2014 - 23:31 | 4725143 Kirk2NCC1701
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Damn straight! The last 4 times we ate their pizzas, all family members had diarrhea.

What do you expect, when you have a revolving door of high school kids running the place? Quality and Hygiene are "Stretch Goals" for them.

"PTD* at 425 degrees" should be their real motto.

* Pizza Transmitted Disease

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 00:54 | 4725263 Agent P
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Let me get this straight...every time you eat their pizza, you and your family all get diarreah...and you and your family have eaten there four times now? Is this some sort of a diet plan for you?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:04 | 4725745 G.O.O.D
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omg that was fvkin funny!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 09:03 | 4725580 TruthTalker
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after 2 times did you not learn - some people are born stupid - clearly it is genetic

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 10:34 | 4725691 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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After the second time why in the heck did you go back?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:05 | 4725748 G.O.O.D
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life is hard, it is harder if you are stupid

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:07 | 4724768 kchrisc
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"House of cards zone: No fans or air-movement devices beyond this point."

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:09 | 4724777 Prisoners_dilemna
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Hopefully whispering the truth from our little corner of the interwebz will turn into gail force winds.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 22:04 | 4724998 Carl Popper
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Positive feedback loops.


It is possible.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:10 | 4724773 Bangin7GramRocks
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Chazz Michael Michaels says "Mind-Bottling, isn't it?"

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:10 | 4724776 Dr. Engali
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They raised $187 million? That's a lot of dough...... Hey, somebody had to say it.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:37 | 4724824 DeadFred
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Very punny. I don't usually risk the curse of the red dreaded red arrows but we had Papa Murphy's a couple days ago for a family event because it is my favorite pizza place. Very decent and very cheap. As far as the valuation of the IPO I'll defer to others but if the company needs an infusion of cash to turn profitable isn't that what the whole stock exchange thing is about. I know it's usually used as an alternative to the blackjack table or as a way for venture caapitalists to cash out but this seems like a legit role for the stock market to play. Of course nobady asked me.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 20:47 | 4724845 chunga
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We're finding it nearly impossible to find decent pizza so we make it ourselves. Papa Gino's used to be good in New England, for a chain, but I have no idea if they have stocks or IPO's.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:06 | 4724895 knukles
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Can't find a good pizza anywhere in California, having been spoiled in NYC and Connecticut.
In fact, by and large, CA cooking is rather poor by culinary standards.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 21:16 | 4724921 chunga
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I grew up in RI and there were lots of really good local pizza joints. MA too, especially Fall River. It's been so long I wonder if it's still the same or has it been watered down like most everything else. Everything seems to come out of Cisco bucket these days.

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