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"We Are Essentially At War" Ukraine Admits, After Dozens Killed
While there may be some confusion about why massive bond buying greeted yesterday's "better than expected" loss of 209 jobs in the 25-54 age group, dragging stocks down, the answer is actually very simple: there is a war in the Ukraine.

A war which just took a turn for the worst after at least 42 people were killed according to Reuters in street battles between supporters and opponents of Russia in southern Ukraine that ended with dozens of pro-Russian protesters incinerated in a burning building. The riot in the Black Sea port of Odessa, ending in a deadly blaze in a besieged trade union building, was by far the worst incident in Ukraine since a February uprising that ended with a pro-Russian president fleeing the country.



The clip below, not for the faint of heart, shows anti-government protesters jumping from the burning Odessa trade unions house: it appears when Yanukovich was "killing" protesters in February, the west couldn't get up in arms fast enough screaming for the former president's overthrow. But now that the acting post-CIA funded coup government is doing the same thing to its own protesters, the radio silence is stunning.
But while yesterday's tragic events in Odessa were the first time the Ukraine conflict manifested itself in pro and anti-Russian clashes in the Black Sea town, it will hardly be the last: not only does the port city have economic and military significance, it also sits between Crimea and pro-Russian areas in eastern Ukraine and the breakaway Transnistria region of neighboring Moldova.
The admission of the true state of affairs finally came from Kiev itself which said that Ukrainian forces pressed their assault on separatists today, freeing up a regional airport as the head of the country’s anti-terrorist center warned eastern regions are “essentially” at war.
The campaign in the Donetsk region left five dead from the Ukrainian anti-terrorist operation and 12 wounded, said the center’s chief, Vasyl Krutov, at a Kiev briefing, even as military observers were freed by anti-Kiev militants. Government forces have secured the town of Slovyansk as operations in Kramatorsk continue.
“What is happening in the east is not a short-term action, this is essentially a war,” Krutov said today.
War it is:
Open clashes are sweeping Ukraine’s east, from Donetsk near the Russian border to Odessa, about 100 miles from the European Union’s southeastern frontier in Romania, amid signs the industrial and coastal regions are slipping out of the Kiev government’s control. The U.S. and the European Union accuse Russia of being behind the unrest, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is “extremely concerned” and is studying the situation, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov, said today.
There was some good news: military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who were taken hostage a week ago were freed and will be delivered to the Council of Europe in Slovyansk near Donetsk, the council said today in a statement.
Bloomberg reports further that the U.S. and EU accuse Russia of stirring unrest to undermine Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said at a briefing today in Jezioro, Poland, that officials are “losing hope” about a diplomatic solution to end the crisis.
“This is a war of maybe a different kind, it is a war that’s undeclared,” Tusk was quoted as saying by PAP newswire at a media briefing. “But what we’re really dealing with is de-facto a war. You can clearly see that actions taken by the international community haven’t brought results.”
To be sure, Ukraine and NATO is putting all the blame on Russia - not only for instigating the conflict but arming the separatists, seemingly oblivious of factual evidence that it was the US that was doing precisely the same just over three months ago when it was orchestarting the overthrow of the then government.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said the use of advanced weapons showed the separatists were “professional saboteur groups” rather than peaceful protesters. In a statement, it called their tactics “characteristic of foreign military or mercenaries.”
Turmoil erupted yesterday in Odessa, where more than 130 people had been detained by police, with 10 criminal cases already started, according to Petro Lutsyuk, the head of the Interior Ministry’s directorate in the city, said on the agency’s website. The Interior Ministry later said on its website that Lutsyuk was fired.
The nearby city of Nikolaev hosts much of the country’s defense and shipbuilding industry, as well as Zorya-Mashproekt, a state enterprise that manufactures gas turbines for OAO Gazprom (GAZP), the Russian natural gas producer and exporter.
Meanwhile, the theater by western leaders hit a new peak yesterday when Obama and Merkel did all they could: threaten more sanctions. At their news conference in Washington, Obama and Merkel said Russia must pull back support for the separatists so Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election can go ahead unimpeded. If the vote can’t be held, “we will not have a choice but to move forward” with more sanctions, Obama said. Merkel called the election “crucial” and said she’s ready to support economic sanctions if needed.
Ironically, it is German commercial interests which as we said back in March, are doing all they can to prevent sanctions of Russia as they know well they would be the biggest losers. Germany is Europe’s largest economy and had $127 billion in trade with Russia in 2013, according to the International Monetary Fund, making Germany is Russia’s second-biggest trading partner. Putin has threatened to escalate economic warfare if further sanctions are imposed.
“When we will reach a particular tipping point is very hard to say in advance,” Merkel said. “But all I can say is that the elections on May 25 are a decisive juncture for me and if there is further destabilization, things will get more and more difficult.”
Expect more furious bluster out of Germany and Obama, hoping that verbal escalation will finally cause Putin to pull back. It won't. Meanwhile Putin is keeping quiet. Which is the second good news because as we showed yesterday, all Putin has to do is give the command.
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Yeah. Downvotes are appreciated. When you atheists wake up and figure out that the number of time Christian groups go to war for religious reasons is very close to nil, let me know.
Nazis were atheists too that put the state as the head of religious and pagan like mysticism. Much like our current power structure in the West.
monkey with a machine gun
Semi auto only. Full auto is for area suppression and is a waste of perfectly good ammo. :)
An ape with a computer keyboard is an obvious danger to reality based thought. As can be seen.
Specfics?
Christianity teaches well the nature of conflict. It is NOT adherence to any particular ethos but rather correctly attributed to the fallen nature of man. Doubt me? Take your shots.
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man” (Mark 7:21–23).
same as 1917...it is anti-Christian
stupid radical useful idiots are being payed and played...
Russians seen this before
Kirk -- Ukrainians and Russians have been at each other's throats for ages. Same with Poles, Belorussians, etc. The Slavs are not some sort of united clan and never have been. Have to disagree with you here.
thamnosma
Have to agree. They might be Christian in name but not in action. A lot like Irish Catholics and Protestants- everyone claims to have Christ on his side; when in reality Christ would weep over what gets done in his name.
Do you ever see Jewish tribes going to war with each other…
Ever since the destruction of their temple in 70AD, the official tribal affiliations have been lost by any / all those who lay claim to a religiously relevant male circumcision via “Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”.
However, in the biblical account the tribes were constantly at one another’s throats. One of my favorite tales was the Levite’s concubine being raped by the men of Benjamin, (who would have rather been doing the Levite instead.) Judges 19 – 21 record the events in graphic detail culminating in the very near annihilation of the entirety of the tribe of Benjamin. The remaining tribes then had to create a rather unique “don’t ask, don’t tell” solution to prevent the homosexual tribe from extinction.
Besides all that, there remained after Solomon’s son’s arrogance the biggest division and civil war of the nation that continued until their ultimate demise as foreseen by John in Revelation. To the Christians, their messiah has already come, done His business and is currently reigning. Any belief direct, bona fide blood related persons to Jacob currently exist is woefully misinformed.
Any and all who wish to claim direct familial relationship to God can and do find it as adoptive offspring in a "second bith" and in communion with the “King of the Jews”. Outside of that, feel free to find god in whatever activity you find yourself engaged in for your 70 – 80 orbits.
Jmo.
Ukraine is a place, "out land" hardly a "nation"..not an ethnic group...west is poles..pole is Ukr only by citizenship..
Much stronger case for Rus...Kievian Rus..all started there..been there...still there..
Ukraine is a failed state..
Well since you want to do it that way...
The Russians disband their country rejoin with their historic originators - the Kievian Rus. There should be no Russia at all, just Ukraine. But then again, perhaps we should go back a bit further and give all of Ukraine and Russia back to the Norse - Denmark, Norway, and Sweden - from whence the Rus came.
Now do you see how selectively using history works?
So damn true.
Nyet...not by that lack of logic
Why stop there. How about the Tartars and the Mongols? Europe and Asia have been nothing but wars of conquest for millenia. It's the Feudal Way, and it is fast becoming the New Feudal World Order if the sociopathic bankers get their way.
This is zerohedge. A site for Anti-American propaganda, Russian propaganda and doomer porn. Facts are irrelevant here.
You're free to go troll CNN or the NYT or the vast, vast majority of MSM news sites which will dispense State Department propaganda which won't require you to think for yourself.
Why don't you depart and go add to the voices of the paid shills and ignoranti claiming Russia is the aggressor, Putin is the new Hitler, and the US government is the most honest and transparent in the world.
Tradehard
So somebody bloodied your nose and now you're gonna cry to Mommy?
In general, most here would agree that Putin is a thug; that he is interested in protecting the soft underbelly of Russia- Ukraine. And that the USA has little strategic interests in the Ukraine but loves to stir the pot.
If Russia were to send money, and ultimately forces into Mexico under the guise of lifting the American boot from poor Mexico's throat, then there might a little bit of pushback.
So since "FACTS ARE IRRELEVANT HERE" how about offering up some FACTS for us.
@Tradehard
I can speak for my admiration for Putin. I believe it will mirror the experience of most of us here.
I am very tired of my government's involvement all over the world. We seem to be hell bent on global war. A little shitpot country, Syria, pops up on the radar with a fomented civil war. This was similar in nature to the other "arab spring" crap we started all over the ME. Putin comes along with a clear strategy and stops the US from yet another war. He did it with style and mastery in the global game and exposed our WH and their minions for the amateurs they are.
When Putin comes along and starts invading countries for no apparent reason and in places that Russia has no strategic interest in, you will see the Putin bashing here begin in earnest.
tradehard ..this is zero hedge
where mutton is the main course
now go be a good little sheep
and head on back to the kitchen ..
.
The IMF can release all the "loans" they want. looking at the N.A.T.O. forces that would be willing to walk into this mess is another thing all together.
Eventually people in the west are going to ask all those stuffed fucking shirts to send their own children into battle. The west, and 'merica in particular has long been willing sacrifice the children of the sheep and I do see us at another major tipping point as far as that is concerned. Another generation of vets looking at a serious lack of opportunity and wondering why the fuck did I endure what I did to keep these motherfuckers so wealthy when I can't feed my family, let alone send my kids to the same ivy league school? Fuck em. I hope my brothers in arms start turning their unique "skill set" upon those who really deserve their attention shortly.
Got to be optimistic folks.
the average un-informed volunteers for uni-formity.
the rationalisation? jawb & benefits.
the set-up this go round is perfect, no?
full employment with deployment - *waves flag*
In many ways, the Asians have been here many times before. After all their culture was the first to develop paper money.
Odd that we were the last to abandon a monetary system with some ties to reality.
As I mention below, it wasn't the miner that got rich during the gold rush, it was the guys selling the tools.
Are you suggesting we start manufacturing flags?
If so, I know of at least one inexpensive producer in china.
(see the real problem yet?)
Not to be too obtuse, but ...
Most people never make step 1, but curiously only some of those that do make it to step 2. Very few ever realize step 3 exists.
For me, it was like the acceptance process people go through when they are terminal. Eventually one makes peace with the outcome. That is when opportunity beings to show up, because the situation is seen for what it really is.
Regards,
Cooter
during the gold rush
the guy that got seriously rich
was the guy selling gold digging ground hogs
turn em loose and they'll dig up the gold nuggets for you..
2 for 25$.. buy a pair, breed your own
I look forward to the mental-dissonance arising
from simultaneous cheering of both war-sides.
Putin!! "our" warriorz!! Putin!!!!! go Troops!!!!!
well played from the Top.
FUCK I HATE TO SAY IT , Hope and Change?
fuck that hurt
Consider this - how long are Russia and China going to put up with the US printing funny money to pay Ukraine's bills and to buy military hardware to use in these conflicts (China and Japan have started to do the same as far as military spending)?
The end game has to be the death of the dollar, or not. I believe that now that we have entered this phase and the rules have been set, there is no going backward. Two go in (or three) and only one comes out.
Surprised the Odessa building didn't collapse at nearly free-fall acceleration. Ukraine must have better building standards than those in the U.S.
Good one! They forgot to use jet fuel.
Was referring to WTC7's near-free fall collapse (but I greened you anyway).
Yeah, I figured that after I posted...but even the twin towers came down close to free fall...
Word of advice. Don't step into the physics of it. Rather, stick to concept of "follow the money" which suggests (along with other evidence) that 9/11 was an inside job. Once you get outside of this, it becomes a distraction and that is where the argument gets cornered.
What got wiped out in Bldg 7? Hmmmm.
I think if you do your research you'll find that the structural weakness of WTC7 was caused by the documents contained inside it, and possibly also by the insurance policy (I'm not sure if the WTC1 and 2 policies applied to 7 as well).
I guess most ppl missed the fact that it was deliberately demolished in a controlled demolition, due to "structural damage and safety concerns".
The real "damage" were probably the incriminating documents inside. Therefore, it had to go.
That may be a fact, but it's not the official story. The official story is that it collapsed on its own due to structural damage caused by the fire ( just for anybody out there who missed the original event, no planes ever hit building 7).
"it was deliberately demolished in a controlled demolition"
Yes, so were the other two towers.
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/874-why-i-am-convi...
But then the average person thinks most of the jet fuel would not have burned up on impact, and that the jet fuel carried by the planes was something more than a drop in a bucket relative to the massive size of the building cores, let alone the structure as a whole.
The disappearance of the "dancing Israelis" and the massive Israeli spy ring is at least as remarkable as the lack of appreciation for basic laws of physics.
The key is to use passports as an accelerant
Passports are indestructible
Don't you know
Well, those passports actually always miracurously survive.
everytime i see a building fire i think of you sweet larry.
everytime i see it burn i sigh for you sweet larry
everytime i think of you larry
i think insurance and cheapest pulling methods to aerosolize asbestos by the thousand tons and get paid for it.
I thought we all agreed not to discuss those awkward facts in public anymore.
can't wait to sell VIX futures monday!!!!
We are essentially at war
Forgot to add, "on orders from the Nobel Prize winner."
Washington responsible for fascist massacre in Odessa
By Mike Head3 May 2014
In what can only be described as a massacre, 38 anti-government activists were killed Friday after fascist-led forces set fire to Odessa’s Trade Unions House, which had been sheltering opponents of the US- and European-backed regime in Ukraine.
According to eye-witnesses, those who jumped from the burning building and survived were surrounded and beaten by thugs from the neo-Nazi Right Sector. Video footage shows bloodied and wounded survivors being attacked.
The atrocity underscores both the brutal character of the right-wing government installed in Kiev by the Western powers and the encouragement by the US and its allies of a bloody crackdown by the regime to suppress popular opposition, centered in the mainly Russian-speaking south and east of Ukraine.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/03/ukra-m03.html
I agree "we forgot to add who is we."
I don't disagree with the standard of evidence at the Hedge but before drawing conclusions we need to go full on "molecular to molar" here.
Simply put there is no evidence for broad based claims of anything beyond "but he started it Mom!" here. As with equities we have to get our head in the game here although just as clearly (cough, cough...Fukushima...cough, cough) "only to reported on at the Hedge."
I think what is most revealing is not the arrows on the map but the map itself. "That is one huge mother-honkin' slab or real estate."
Everyone here knows I love land...that is probably some of the best land on the entirety of Planet Earth.
"With all the fixin's" as they say. (railroads, hydro-electric, a debt market)
Obviously calling Odessa a "town" does the folks here a disservice. That is a very large City...and those ain't "colonists" either. It is worth asking however just when President Tusk of Poland says "de facto war" in facto means.
Perhaps that would be a good place to start.
Has the Queen made another speach yet about costs?
Just wondering what the little faggot with a golf club is going to say next?
The USG is a puppet government of Tel Aviv. Whatever Bath House says next will be scripted from Israel. Thru its main puppet government, Israel controls the USG's puppet governments.
Russia's best bet is to line up support from the Non-Aligned Nations; the BRIICs as well. Keep driving home the point that Ukraine's puppet government is killing its people, not Russia.
Just say NO to Zionism. The west made its mistake long ago accepting usury from these phony claimants to a certain faith.
"Give me control of a nation's money and I will care not about its form of government."
private central banks issuing the public currency as a loan at interest would seem to be something "progressives" would hate, the basic math indicates it must inevitably collapse after transferring wealth upwards - but judging by Krugman's last column and the comments tendered by that charlatan's devotees suggests very strongly that most of our most educated and liberal citizens long for thicker and shorter chains.
Central Banking growing the money supply (and the subsequent interest) is a great game so long as the money supply approximates real growth of the economy. Effectively Central Bankers and their friends take all the fruits of growth.
But we are far beyond that now- the share of real production needed to pay interest (or economic rents), to the self-appointed elites, cannot keep up with money/credit creation. This is now to the extent that we are now witnessing wholesale asset stripping throughout the economy.
Perhaps the parasites are blissfully unaware they are draining the host.
stupid little boy that he is, and i'm sure he is a sh*tty golfer. but golf implies wealth, so he must
The elites love their Paganica.
I wonder if there is a course at Bohemian Grove?
Queen of Clubs
King of Spades
Jack of bath-houses.
Putin pom-poms here!
Get your Putin pom-poms over here!...only a dollar!
(Hey, I'm a capitalist...lol)
Remember nmewn, it wasn't the miners that made all the money during the gold rush. It was the guys who sold the shovels...
I'm just picking scabs ;-)
How quickly the mob downvotes you :-)
Its like a mob-ocracy or sumpin...lol.
Well, I'd love to sit around here and help "crony world socialist governments" solve the Ukrainian crisis but I got real shit to do.
Seeya ;-)
As a friend of mine (engineer type like myself) calls it... multi-nodal stupidity. Is funny how, together, people can achieve profound stupidity that is far beyond the potential of any individual. lol.
... later nmewn
I love it!
Regards,
Cooter
Damn, the mob got me. Feel like pac-man.
he's better looking...
Shovels?
I thought it was the guys selling hootch and the loose women?
and Duke and Duke get the commissions.
There's always an opportunity!
Putin is more a spiritual leader, than he is a politician.
He embodies spiritual and traditional family values.
He's not a faggot like the Queen.
ahhh, the elevation to Saint-hood continues. . .
such an echo to the spiritual, saintly Paul-Patriarch.
folks do love their God-heads.
better than loving dick heads
because all choices are binary?
if not this,
then that.
none of the above.
also telling that you "insult" with your "god-given"
body part.
I view insults and sarcasm as artistic representations of the soul.
You fucking retard.
>> He embodies spiritual and traditional family values.
Putin would drive a tank over your family values if it meant more power for Putin. Just because there's a power play between sociopaths doesn't mean one is good and one is bad.
I'd rather look up to someone who doesn't suck cock!
Ted, do you like taking it up in the backside too?
Doesn't it hurt?
Well, if that's all you can get in prison, I will not judge.
another who insults with their precious parts.
the diss-connect of Self-hatred is palpable.
throw another faggot on the fire
so, mr. knob-launch,
will you be serving mash 'n' mushy peas with yer toasty balls?
ghey.
that was so gay.
hahahaha!!!!!!!!
If you lived in Russia you would suck cock just because you're hungry! That's what a great guy Putler is!
We killed more people at Waco.
We don't really stand on moral high ground these days.
Janet Reno doesn't 'stand' at all.
Palsied skank squirms and writhes in her wheel chair.
hey Bob - might want to drop the complicit "we" as it invokes a sense of belonging and responsibility.
the mind responds.
Gotta love the "we" & "they".
Conditioning.
On the political façade front, there may not be much more that the USG and Germans can do except scream at Putin to lie down with his legs in the air. But we know these two govts are financially and militarily supporting the fascist government in Kiev. But that's a secret and denied or ignored, so let's not talk about it.
Clueless Ukrainian fucks. WAKE UP!!! You are being manipulated!!!
sure as shit they'll wake up when they see their pension payments halved and their gas bills doubled or tripled. Something tells me though that Banderastan will blame it all on Russia!
The Ukrainians are waking up. It's why the Fascist Coup Leaders are desperate to do anything to stop the elections from happening this month. They know the Fascist Coup Govt is going to be routed at the polls. The best they can hope for is a bloody stalemate so they can cling to power with the hope that even greater carnage will happen (instigated by their Western backers). Carnage so severe, that they can drag Nato in like they did in the Balkins. Think Syria False Flag times 10.
This is not about the people it is about the politicians. What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting. In some cases even after an overwhelming vote such as in Crimea the whole process is called into question.
Unfortunately the American civil war did not resolve the issue of succession forever and definitely was not a template for a solution that should be used in countries across the planet. Bottom-line is many political leaders are slow to give up control and this will not change. For more on this important issue see the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.ht...
A ‘Reichtstag Event' in the sense that this is clearly a provocation directed to the Russians, a final signal Putin needs to come into action, orchestrated by the West.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on KWN, Saturday, May 3, 2014 - AUDIO http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/5/3_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts.htmlDr. Paul Craig Roberts: "The Russian government is in a predicament. Moscow does not want financial responsibility for these territories but cannot stand aside and permit Russians to be put down by force. The Russian government has attempted to keep Ukraine intact, relying on the forthcoming elections in Ukraine to bring to office more realistic leaders than the stooges installed by Washington.
However, Washington does not want an election that might replace its stooges and return to cooperating with Russia to resolve the situation. There is a good chance that Washington will tell its stooges in Kiev to declare that the crisis brought to Ukraine by Russia prevents an election. Washington’s NATO puppet states would back up this claim.
It is almost certain that despite the Russian government’s hopes, the Russian government is faced with the continuation of both the crisis and the Washington puppet government in Ukraine."
EXCERPT FROM: Washington Intends Russia’s Demise — Paul Craig Roberts, May 2, 2014 http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/02/washington-intends-russias-de...
Good interview. The Wolfowitz Doctrine was/is U.S. policy which simply copies British policy as an answer to MacKinder's 'Heartland Theory' which he expounded in his essay of 1904, 'the Geographical Pivot of History':
"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
Who rules the World-Island controls the world."
This policy has been modified since the end of WW2, primarily by replacing the British Empire with the U.S.A. NATO and the IMF were/are the primary instruments of this modified policy.
The idea is to prevent a strong Eurasian power or coalition of powers from rising and dominating the 'world island' (Eurasia and especially the eastern expanses of Russia, the 'heartland').
Needless to say, the rise of such a strong power on the Eurasian continent threatens the hegemony of the petrodollar and the world control of oil resources. This is factored into everything you hear, read about or see in terms of military tensions or internal strife anywhere in Eurasia and Africa.
It has nothing to do with spreading democratic ideals. That is all bullshit. Just remember, it's all about protecting the petrodollar and Anglo-American hegemony.
Do you detect the faint trace of fear in the air, the fear of the 'NWO' that their policies will ultimately fail? They are beginning to circle the wagons, amass even more concentrated wealth, hire their private armies, suppress dissent, buy the machinery of government, ramp up the propaganda machine to its maximum effect. They are setting about to kill tens of millions (if we're lucky) the bastards.
Yes. Correct.
Why is important the petrodollar?
Because it allows control of global trade, thus people.
If there would be another, better way of controlling the people of the world, the zionists in control would ditch the US dollar faster than you finishing to say "I'm a debt slave".
Many think it's only just the petrodollar, seeing the petrodollar as the end itself what motivates these fuckers. It's an accounting type of mentality, always thinking in economic or materialist terms. When you think like that, you think within the confines of their monetarist system. If you think they do it simply for the money, as the final goal/objective, you will only get so far, but never at the real motivation of these people.
Ask yourself why do they want to control the people of this Planet.
My take is the whole Zionism being the religion of the Luciferians wanting to be demi-gods and the AntiChrist being the God-in-chief.
All the story of Adam and Eve, and their sin, is the false promise of satan to them, that by eating the fruit, will make them "like God".
Ever since, many men had this goal of being "like God".
Alexander the Great, the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, the Babylonians, the Roman emperors, Napoleon, the globalists, all had&have 2 objectives:
- first subdue the World and bring a system of order to the World, a system they control
- and then proclaim that they are God, and such everyone under them should worship them
I think that the religious beliefs that motivates these people, are just that: to be like God on this Earth.
And their patience into achieving goals is multi-generational. They pass their beliefs to their sons and daughters successfully.
Control of the people of this Planet is the key to them into achieving this satanic goal of theirs.
Freedom of the people is their biggest threat.
That's why they invent all sort of -isms (capitalism, socialism, communism, marxism, atheism, liberalism<--the european meaning of the word), because every system they invent, has only one goal: make people slaves.
And many of these -isms are very attractive to people. Because all make the promise of some sort of utopian shit.
Either a free market system - that they really have it under their control and is rigged , to an egalitarian system where everyone has their cake and eat it too - but some are more equal than the vast majority
Atheists are invited to downvote this comment
So now the U.S. orchestrated the Odessa Massacre in Waco Texas Massacre fashion. This is cold blooded murder clearly directed to Russia, testing the waters about what they can get away with. Now it’s clearly Putin's turn to react because the ‘Ukrainian Army’ has clearly crossed a very ‘red line’ here. Russia says it will respond if Ukraine interests attacked, 23 April 2014, (Reuters) http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA3L11A20140423
Perhaps if the government of Ukraine would pass a law defining the country as a neutral state (aka Switzerland) and to not become a member of NATO the situation could be resolved peacefully over time. That just seems fundamental at this juncture. As to EU membership, I think it's a mistake for any country to join that garbage but Russia could probably live with that since they are tied in financially to Europe.
Russia is "tied" to Europe only so long as they accept the Euro or the Dollar.
That could never change....
...right?
Be very careful what you wish for.
Oh, I definitely see them dumping those currencies down the line but Europe is still an excellent export market for their natural resources. Trade always lives on if profitable for both sides. That's what I meant by "tied".
"Europe is still an excellent export market for their natural resources." - Why? Is there no-one else who would be willing to exchange something of real value for those resources?
Even more important, why not use the resources at home to improve the lives of russians?
When fraud is the status quo (as it is now), possession quickly becomes the law.
If you possess energy and other resources you can actually make/do real shit. Not so much if you are "holding" hundreds of trillions of bullshit paper promises.
They get Mercedes and BMW's. Believe me the Russian oligarchs want that shit. C'mon people, do you really think Russia has no interest in trade with all of Europe? Sheesh....
The Russians have been talking to the chinese a lot lately, maybe they will just "copy the plans" and start making those things themselves.
The is the fundamental problem the west has. All that wealth inequality means that "the club" and it's members keeps getting smaller. People in the East know this all too well, but the point is, there are real fucking consequences for disenfranchising the majority of your citizens and their children. Especially once you can no longer export that inflation <--- YOU ARE HERE.
I have said this several times in older posts (here, here, and here).
Europe is too broad a brush. I mean, if you look at "American's" you are lumping Texans in weith Yankees, when clearly they are different breeds of cat. "Northern" and "Southern" Europe are vastly different.
Further, Charlemagne couldn't swing a monetary union on the European continent and neither will Brussels. It will fail. It almost looks like all the "up-to-our-eyeballs-in-debt" nations versus the "screwed-out-of-our-resources-for-paper" countries. Funny that. How do you think that will end?
Look to international trade, as has been pointed out, and populations which have productive work ethics. The era of consuming tomorrows crop with today's financialization is coming to an end. Soon will come the day when consumption must be paid for, in value add, commodities, or energy.
Regards,
Cooter
For the time being, Europe is a single trading bloc with all deals going through Brussels or Strasburg or wherever they do it. I completely concur the current set-up will not last, but such things live longer than any expect. Just like the US financial ponzi scheme.
Go and do some reading before spouting gibberish.
Ukraine has no government...no law...it is a failed state
Listen Obomo, Western European population/people don't want to send their kids to your war (and I know what I am talking about), and believe me, unlike most fat ass Americans (no disrespect of course...), we will hit the streets for a revolt the MOMENT such order is aired in Western European countries....anyone of them, you take your pick!! In addition, we don't really give a fuck about centuries old Slavik hard feelings between themselves. If the former Eastern block (now part of NATO) really don't like Russia and pushing to send NATO in there, than Romanians, Bulgarians, Poles, Albanians and the rest better be ready to send their own kids to the front, cause some jetplanes as "moral" support is all you'll get from west side of the continent. Now, if you dare to send American soldiers in there (which I have a feeling you don't have the balls to do)...well, a little revolution here and there might be all America needs....
Please. This is more a "Western European" fight than anyone's. You want heat in the winter? Go fight the Ruskies. The US will provide the air support!
EU elections coming up in May. According to the RT interview with Dutch politician the Euro public is fed up with the overstuffed bureaucrats in Brussels and wants to dial back the unwarranted meddling in the internal affairs of EU countries. Plus folks are ticked about being over taxed to send funds to EU basket cases while they suffer high unemployment and lack of opportunity at home.
Having the EU push sanctions which undermine the economy while at the same time working to re-ignite the cold war due to USSA meddling in Europe's back yard will not sell well.
Interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqMpZMJjlCc
Ukrainians killing fellow Ukrainians ... how sad is that.
The zionist plan all along.
No wonder we didn't give back all of Germany's gold. If they had it all back, would Merkel tell Obama 'Go fuck yourself and your sanctions' ?
Of course this is under the assumption we actually have Germany's gold
ask yourself this question does any one any where anymore feel like what they say matters. not really. time for talk is over has been for a long time expecting anything out of the governments of this world except poverty and war are an illusion. not until we refuse to go along with the program will there be any real change. just my take
You are correct sir/madam.
Have faith, I bat last as it were (the laws of Nature and physics that is) and that which cannot be sustained, won't be.
Unfortunately you are correct. In times of excess - particularly at tipping points - sociopaths come to rule. Ordinarily "the pack" ostracizes or kills them. Instead, we "allow" them to rise to the top. Same as in business... for the sake of "profit" and "growth" and because they do what half-wits see as "necessary" which really is what sociopaths do best... fuck other people over.
The time to rout out the sociopaths is upon us.
Does any one any where anymore feel like what they say matters?
What I have to say matters so much the NSA records each comment and phone call so that the government can recall my every thought and use it as a guide for future action.
The only thing the people living under central banking authority can do is to remove their respective consent for the system. Then, when the time is right, fight for the removal of those that have stolen your skill and labor with their taxation and devaluation.
Know your enemy
AD
The Winds of Change are starting to blow. Millions of gun owners are refusing to comply with gun registration schemes, and have become defacto felons overnight. Armed militias defended the rancher Bundy in Nevada against the govt (doesn't matter if you think Bundy was right or wrong, what matters is there was armed resistance). When the 0zer0care mandate fines kick in, I see millions of taxpayers adjusting their W4 witholding so they don't get a tax refund, so the govt can't take the 0zer0care mandate fine from the taxpayer. Once people realize that a tax refund is a scam, it will not take much to move them to refusing to file a tax return at all. Imagine if millions of taxpayers, simply refused to file a tax return, like millions of gun owners refusing to register guns. The system collapse almost overnight without that tax revenue. The people have the power, if they just realize it, and exercise it IN MASS. Civil disobedience will only grow as more and more people become desparate in this desparate economy.
You see those pictures up there boys? That's what happens when jews target your country. Stand your ground, Ukraine! Dont let neocon/israeli infiltrators and IMF money corrupt you! FOR COUNTRY god dammit!
The Ukrainian always said they had Russia as an enemy, even already lost the Crimea territory for them, I do not know why the surprise..?!..
Now it remains only to russia admit that does not interest them at all one independent Ukraine. Only those who do not want to see do not see.
The map doesn't show Polish or Romanian troop deployments. Romanian troops crossing the border and moving toward Odessa could potentially be the trigger for Russian intervention - a Red Line for Putin. Russian troops going into Odessa could be the trigger for Romania.
Bessarabia, which included the Black Sea coast west of Odessa, has a high proportion of Russian speakers and a few pockets of Romanian speakers now, but was historicallty part of Romania. It's entirely predictable that nationalist demagogues will raise a cry for taking it back.
Poland, whose government has been up to its knees in this muck, has its own huge historical grievances. A big chunk of Western Ukraine was part of Poland, and half a million Poles were slaughtered under the Nazi-aligned regime in Western Ukraine within living memory. Logically this grievance would align them with the pro-Russian separatists against the Kiev government, whose right wing parties openly celebrate that legacy of genocide. But don't count on anything logical from the haters. They hate Russia worst, and could easily trigger a larger war by sending troops across the border.
New minions to join the Obama Affordable Care Act Ponzi scam.
Rolling back the hand of time.
Doctor Backs Clinton Universal Health Care Measure in 1994
Give me a blowjob Hillary, then tell me if you’ll take my phone call at 3 AM.
The Zionists win. They are the only winners out of this.
They say that Putin wants to establish a New Byzantium.
Might be true. As a Romanian, a Christian Orthodox, I have no qualms with a new Byzantium being established, since I consider the Byzantine Empire to be the real light of Christianity. It was Constantine, from Constantinople that established Christianity as the official religion in the Roman Empire.
But, if that's what he wants, he's doing it the wrong way. He's not wining the hearts and minds of the Orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe. By bombing the Georgians he definitely didn't win the hearts of the Georgians.
By what he did with Crimea, he practically said to the world "well you know I have the right to do this, well since Kosovo".
With Crimeea Putin just legitimized Kosovo. From now on, Putin can't complain about Kosovo. How do you think the Orthodox Serbians feel about this now?
By falling into the trap of the Zionists and invading Ukraine, what will Putin accomplish? Orthodox Russian soldiers fighting against Orthodox Ukrainian soldiers.
Putin just falls into the traps of the Zionists.
The Zionists have won the battle against Western Christianity centuries ago, when they made the Vatican make usury not a sin. Michael Hoffman talks very elegantly about this in the following video: http://youtu.be/jT0grvk16NI
After the Zionists have won over Western Christianity centuries ago, and the Vatican was now in their pockets, they, at the turn of the 20th century, turned against Orthodox Christianity. They sought to destroy it, by bringing atheism, the worst blasphemy against God in Orthodox lands. And they almost succeeded with the bolshevik revolution.
Don't you find it weird that the marxists, instead of bringing revolution to capitalist West, they brought revolution to Orthodox East? Isn't it weird that Lenin was funded by Swiss Zionist bankers to have his revolution? Was he even a Russian? Orthodoxy is the real enemy of the Zionists.
What they seek is destruction of Orthodox lands in Eastern Europe, and they are forcing Putin's hand into invading Ukraine. At first we will have a civil war in Ukraine, then invasion by Russia. That will mean loss of life of Orthodox Ukrainians and Orthodox Russians. Then the conflict will spil further into Romania and Bulgaria and the Baltics. And Putin's Russia will be involved in a bloody conflict, out of which they will not emerge as winners. Nor the Americans.
But the Zionists, they will emerge as the real winners. The Zionists talmudists and kabbalist just need to have they Satanic Messiah come and proclaim himself as first, savior of Israel, then God. For the people of the World to accept the Deceiver as God, they need to have their faith and hope destroyed first. War will do this. Destruction brought by war will destroy the morale and hope of the people.
The Zionists have their plans to make everyone fight against everyone and destroy themselves, so that after all the fighting&dying is done, they, the Zionists can appears to be the only survivors and Light bringers to the nations.
The Zionists in Ukraine are winning as they are winning in Syria. War and destruction only means victory for the Zionists. Blood is the food of Zionists.
The Americans and Russians are losing in Syria just as they will lose in Ukraine. The Zionists control in the shadows both America and Russia. Maybe they are not as stronger in Putin's Russia, as in America, but they pull the string subtly.
Have a look at Putin's talk about his visit to Jerusalem's Wailling Wall here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJnIsbo5uMs
Also, how about this: http://shortify.us/833369
Psst....there is no god.
Constantine was a pagan who knew how to get Christians to kill barbarians. It is that simple.
I see that atheism made a victim out of you.
Byzantium was way better than Rome ever was and will be.
You know nothing about Eastern Orthodox Christians.
I hope that God one day opens your eyes and you stop believing in this absurd atheism theories.
Maybe this Romanian Orthodox Chant can cure you, or maybe not.
But maybe you could simply learn a thing or two about Orthodoxy and the dedication we put into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s5Jo3Je5Q
For many Eastern Europeans that are Orthodox, Orthodoxy is the Way To Live and The Light.
Or maybe the first Russian chant of this Orthodox chants collection can bring some Light to your soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOOuuU0VUYQ
I have to say, that every time I listen the first 15 minutes of the Russian chant I always cry. Touches my soul.
Or maybe this ex-Jew turned Russian-orthodox can bring some Light into your soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-JCLYeDro&list=PLFFB05929141EE377
Brother Nathaniel was a Jew that saw The Light and is fighting to the best of his abilities to expose the talmudists.
I fully agree...good post
Evil, vile, corrupt and discredited Second Rome vs Resurected and Risen Third Rome
"I see that atheism made a victim out of you."
Victim, my ass.
You godsters are all cut from the same cloth. Each thinks his version of the invisible scary monster is the one true "god" and you're all prepared to kill one another to prove it. The really sick part of it is, you teach these lies to innocent children who grow up to be just as hate filled and irrational as yourselves.
It's amazing really. We call people sheep for blindly following one political party or another, yet fail to see the obvious similarity of blindly following one religion or another. And please, don't try to weasel out by telling me belief in god is not the same as religion. Religion propagates the lie. You wouldn't have any notion of what to believe in if you hadn't been indoctrinated from the get-go by one religion or another.
Religion: the most insideous form of child abuse on the planet, and as with other forms of abuse, the abused in turn become the abusers.
Sick.
You wouldn't have any notion of what to believe in if you hadn't been indoctrinated from the get-go by one religion or another...
I think the point is there is no such thing as "a-theist" in the same way there is no such thing as "a-political" or even "a-moral". The matter is best understood as substitutionary in what’s to be used as the yardstick.
You're right in saying I / we / you are "indoctrinated from the get go by one religion or another" but by claiming your view of the meaning of "believe" is a truly "objective" and "separate", (i.e. “holy” or “set apart” as per original Hebrew / Aramaic / Greek terminology) "outside the box" of "religious belief" is in itself a self-delusionary contention.
There are far more instances of the "objective" faith in science as having to back pedal and reissue new explanations of perceived truth and its current application to the human condition than any of the writings considered as canonical to the Judeo-Christian faith.
Jmo.
I would agree with you about the world Zionist mission. However, you fall short in the first of your analysis.
Putin did not attack Georgia. Georgia attacked Russian peacekeeping forces. Russia then respoonded with enough force to overwhelm the mischievous Georgians (who were egged on by NATO and the US). He then left the country to think about its future. No occupation. No destruction of cities. And the government was left in place. A very calculated and disciplined retailiation.
He might have confirmed the legitimacy of Kosovo, but that legitamcy was already there in the minds of the rest of the world, so he gave nothing but instead gave a lesson to the West on the power of 'precedence'.
As for Ukrainian Orthodox Christians, I suspect very few of the Ukrainians controlling the country now are Orthodix, but rather Catholic, athiests, or Jews. Some Orthodox will get caught up in it, but that can't be avoided.
Putin is being forced into a corner by the West and their Zionist rulers who started this mess in the first place and are now trying desperately to pin the blame on Russia. So what would you propose he do? He can't let go and he can't hold on. So what is your answer?
Why bomb Georgia when you can simply send a Spetznatz commando to kill off the Georgian president?
Why bomb Iraq, when you can send Navy Seals to kill off Saddam?
Why bomb Serbia when you can send Navy Seals to kill of Milosevic?
Can't Putin eliminate the putschists from Kiev, sponsored by the CIA? Is it necessary to invade Ukraine and spill blood?
Of course the Talmudists are forcing his hands. But he should be more careful. I think Syria also forced his hands and I don't think that Assad & Putin are winning there.
Sure Assad is killing of the Qataris and Saudis terrorists. And I fully support this. But have you seen all the Youtube videos of the destruction taking place in Syria??
The Syrians are losing in Syria. Their homes are destroyed. By Assad. By the wahhabists.
A weak and chaotic Syria is what the Talmudists want. Assad was good for Israel for a while, since he clearly never was nor is a wahhabi dumb fuck on a mission to establish some islamist Caliphate.
But I think now, the Talmudist are ready to bring havoc to Middle East. The Deceiver need arise. And he needs destruction world-wide.
Zionist revel in war. Blood is their food.
Maybe Putin is doing all he can to contain the situation, maybe not. Maybe he is being groomed like Hitler was by the zionists into WW3. For a while Hitler had the support of the Talmudists.
Maybe Putin was promised some vice-roy (vice-king) position in the NWO. Maybe he was promised Constantinople.
I, unlike the majority here on ZH, don't think Putin is some Saviour.
Though I do hope that Archangel Michael, the Protector of Russia clears his thoughts and helps Putin make the right decisions.
Not the decisions that could make Putin look stronger and all-macho-man on RT videos, but decisions that are the right ones for Eastern Europe.
God help Eastern Europe now. Because we need His help now on the verge of WW3.
Your "Zionist" is a strawman.
Why can't both sides stop killing each other? Do both sides have low IQs and cannot see what they are doing to each other? Is their hatred soo strong that it negates any common sense?
I sense you use the term Zionist as a reason to not exercise personal judgement. God gave you common sense for a reason. He gave you an IQ to determine what that reason is.
God gave you will power and courage to know when to apply judgement. That is called leadership.
In a nutshell, stop bitchin', whinin' and cryin'. Nobody with an ounce of common sense is going to support you.
By Zionists I don't mean Jews. Real Jews.
Zionists are a small religious sect of the Jews, mostly talmudists on a mission to have their Satanic Messiah incarnate on Earth and claim to be God.
You know there are Jews in Iran living in peace with Muslim Iranians?
You know there are Jews in London opposing the state of Israel?
You knew that?
Orthodox Jews in London against Zionism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapWP8hq9Mc
Iranian Jews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPEw4hsAn_M
Jews against Zionism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks
I believe you are smart enough to know that you are proving my point. You do not care that you are misrepresenting your interests in the Ukraine.
The important fact is many who read this are smart enough to know that.
Remember the 5%. The rest follow...
There you go again with that self deluded egalitarian thinking. I think the 5%you refer to view themselves as the slavers, not serving teachers of the 95%, they approximate the same number of sociopaths occupying the human race.
Serving Teachers? Sociopaths?
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228981
Canucklehead you are the smoothest Zionist apologist I have seen on ZH. If you are on the payroll, you are earning that pay. In a previous post you made on another article you said Jews were chosen by God, implying above his other children. When a person, or a tribe of persons delude themself into an egalitarian mindset they convince themselves that it is moral before God (or who they think is God) to treat his other children the same way a farmer would treat domestic animals. Zionists and Nazi's have this in common. Zionists are the best organized egalitarian mindset people who have convinced themselves, and a large portion of Judaics, that they are entitled tno rule the world like a farm. There can be no good faith between egalitarians and the children of God. Humans have real problems and no one leverages them to their advantage like Zionists. I pray for Putin and hope he is a man of good will. His game is beyond chess now, perhaps even beyond Go, and into the realm of spiritual warfare. The whore of the Bablonian Talmud is upon the earth. We can only hope men will stop falling prey to the Hegelian Dialect. In the end Zionists are only men, and their inspiration, as validated by their actions, are Satanic. The true King of this region has warned us of false prophets and shepherds and advised us to recognize them by their deeds. That King is honoured by Islam as well. Only the Khazar adopters of the Sanhedrin hold him in contempt for his message of the brotherhood of man and the Fatherhood of God.
... Thank You... Thank You Very Much...
Their "god" bad, our "god" good. Exactly what I was saying a few posts upstream.
If the shoe were on the other foot you'd be just as bad, in fact, you already are. You'll just never admit it.
Same as it ever was.
Jesus, Lord, warned us of The Synagogue of Satan.
Being all-knowing in most respects, he could see the trouble they would stir up in the future, IMO.
And, what was His most violent action recorded in scripture? Driving OUT the "money-changers."
These guys made you buy special coins to use in worship. That's how they got rich. They controlled money.
"Give me control of a Nation's money and I care not who makes the Laws."
"Give me control of a Nation's money and I care not who makes the Laws."...
Along the same lines, I remember Zig Ziglar paraphrasing the Scottish patriot Andrew Fletcher to the effect:
"You write the laws, let me write the songs, and I will rule the country."
Is it any wonder Elvis was considered the "King"?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEEQ...
jmo
Edgar Casey predictions on Russia:
"On Russia’s religious development will come the greater hope of the world. Then that one, or group, that is the closer in its relationships, may fare the better in the gradual changes and final settlement of conditions as to the rule of the world. (3976-10)
"In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the bolshevistic; no. but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit “In God We Trust.” (397
What’s at work here is the march for world government, i.e., people like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (the banking cartel) who want to control the world. They want all the resources and to make all the decisions. And they will use the Zionists who are leading and now at the head of the line as a part of it, as long as they don’t get in the way of the strategy. Zionists are fanatics and fanatics in the long run are a liability.
Ukraine is a necessary puzzle piece for world government – Ed Griffin is right; the One-Worlders are after not wealth, but power. And the power is to control the world.
In the view of former Congressman Ron Paul it is “a deeply malign form of globalism.”
“Ultimately, the move to expand the ‘new world order’ brand of globalism by force is destined to fail,” says Ron Paul. “They go to war under NATO and the UN, not by the Congress… But ultimately the big one is to control the money, so they are making their plans to have a worldwide fiat currency through the IMF/World Bank operations.”
Paul told Steve Watson, London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.net: “They have a long way to go because what they advocate is still fake money and they have to defy the market place… They may make the attempt and they may be able to cause a lot of harm in the meantime, but ultimately sound money wins out. Hopefully we do our job and liberty wins out over the tyrants.”
“The bankruptcy will bring us to our knees, but let’s just hope we can put it back together in a lot better shape than we have it now.”
http://www.infowars.com/congressman-ron-paul-one-worlders-will-fall/
There is good and bad in all people. Think original sin.
There is an old adage that 5% of the people make up the other 95%'s mind. There is a lot of truth in that.
Nothing here is black and white. Just like original sin, both sides "feel" what they are doing is right. Both sides are appealing to citizens of other nations to support them in this fight.
At present, this fight is an internal Ukrainian fight. There is/was ample corruption on both sides (think 5%) that drove the citizenry of Ukraine to this point. Is this a breaking point? Who knows. "Domestic Disputes" are the most lethal calls law enforcement officers respond to.
Zionists have nothing to do with what is going on in the Ukraine. Like the Greeks, the Ukrainians are looking for an easy way out of their misery. Too much systemic corruption on both sides of this issue have bled the people dry. There needs to be a change.
No one, NATO or the Russians want to enter this fight. There is no benefit for outside actors in this fight. The rest of the world will crucify whoever steps in first. A follow-on response from the other outside actor will be seen as a positive.
The end result is stalemate until both sides step up to the plate and work together to address their systemic corruption problems. The Ukrainians need leadership. That is not coming from the Russian Ukrainians. The world was concerned about the abilities of the Ukrainians to govern their fractious country.
People see Nazis on both sides of this fight. The Ukrainians appear to be purging their Nazis while the Russian Ukrainians are pushing their Nazis to the forefront. That may be tactically beneficial when you want to break heads, but is a strategic loser for global opinion.
If the Russian Ukrainians cannot bring themselves to the negotiating table after this weekend, the world "Will" support the Ukrainians in this internal struggle.
Putin will leave the Russian Ukrainians hanging as this fight is not a winner for him.
"At present, this fight is an internal Ukrainian fight."
This assertion demonstrates your level of insight into the matter.
The Russian Ukrainians, as you call them, were specifically excluded from negotiations. They want to hold referenda on autonomy, and the unelected junta in Kiev doesn't want to let them.
Instead, they want to use the military and, increasingly, mercenaries, to put down dissent.
When the elected former government did so, this was an intolerable affront to modern values, even as many of the protesters were both violence and Nazi/fascist in origin.
Now that government is using violence to put down separatists who did not vote for this government of bankers and Nazis, and in order to white wash this, the new anti-government armed protesters must be vilified as "terrorists" and, in an Orwellian twist, as 'Nazis' - hence the anti-Jewish leaflets ruse that, of course, was immediately all over the media in precisely the way the targeting of Christians in Syria was not.
... Keep Fightin' then. Best of luck. You'll need it.
And who is it that doesn't know that Victoria Nuland, who is Jewish, married to Neocon warmonger Robert Kagan of Iraq War notoriety and whose brother-in-law Frederick Kagan advocated the failed surge in Iraq as well as renewal of hostilities with Afghanistan, orchestrated the January 2014 coup d’etat in Ukraine?
It was Nuland who began funneling the money into the coffers of the Ukrainian fascists. And it was Israeli soldiers who were involved in the Maidan square demonstrations fighting alongside the fascists, a Jewish force that included several IDF veterans in clashes which eventually brought down the government.
Israel Shamir points out that Neoconservative Jews in the American State Department had no problem supporting Ukraine’s self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis:
“The West has no such inhibitions and its representatives were extremely active: the US State Department representative Victoria Nuland had spent days and weeks in Kiev, feeding the insurgents with cookies, delivering millions of smuggled greenbacks to them, meeting with their leaders, planning and plotting the coup. Kiev is awash with the newest US dollars fresh from its mint (of a kind yet unseen in Moscow, I’ve been told by Russian friends). The US embassy spread money around like a tipsy Texan in a night club. every able-bodied young man willing to fight received five hundred dollars a week, a qualified fighter—up to a thousand, a platoon commander had two thousand dollars—good money by Ukrainian standards."
Zionism is the movement for the "restoration" of a Jewish, qua ethno-religious group, homeland in Palestine.
Stop using "Zionism" when it is for the most part atheistic, ethnocentric Jews you are talking about [your Nulands and Kristols or Kagans] or the Talmudists or religious Jews such as the revolting Chabad movement - which, as it happens has a strong presence in Ukraine.
Off topic, but I was very disappointed to see that The Young Turks covered that anti-Jewish leaflets in e. ukraine story, essentially taking it to be true, and generally acting as if the Crimean Parliament voting to join Russia was not legit, but a US-backed coup that installed an imf friendly ex banker somehow was. They are clearly either stupid or simply compromised - as is, I think VICE, whose Jewish reporter in Ukraine managed to get himself kidnapped by "pro-Russians" and who also managed to avoid covering the whole us state department/neo-nazi angle at Maidan.
It's Jews, not Zionists. The Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine and Russia - their actions have fuck all to do with Zionism. On the other hand, the Jewish neocons are very much Zionists - as they intend to use American Christian blood and treasure to weaken and Balkanize Israel's enemies, so The Jewish State can be a superpower.
'Zionism' often has little to do with what international, organized Jewry is doing, which is what all groups with power do.... try to get more of it.
and what do the actions of oligarchs in ukraine/russia have fuck all to do with being jewish?
i can recall some more infamous men in our human history that have fuck all to do with judaism/zionism...
"Vice" may be owned by "Them."
Exactly. The Jews cannot absolve themselves of not responding to Israeli/US aggression and its damaging activities simply by hiding behind those who claim to be Zionists.
(somewhere in a dark room at an accounting house)
"More goys are killing each other. Our plans continue ahead."
"Yes, Master, any new orders?"
Washington’s former ambassador to Russia, now NATO’s “second-in-command” ... the American, Alexander Vershbow says loud and clear: "Russia now an adversary"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-now-an-adversary-nato-official-says/
Btw, did you know this "American" guy is Jewish?
http://www.jta.org/2005/03/27/life-religion/features/u-s-s-moscow-ambass...
People killed by ukranian fashists
http://www.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/odessa-tragicheskie-posledstvi...
i'm really surprised no one at ZH has commented that this is all a false flag, fake, illusion, and/or hyped up to provoke an overreaction...
where did all the conspiracy buffs go?