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"We Are Essentially At War" Ukraine Admits, After Dozens Killed
While there may be some confusion about why massive bond buying greeted yesterday's "better than expected" loss of 209 jobs in the 25-54 age group, dragging stocks down, the answer is actually very simple: there is a war in the Ukraine.

A war which just took a turn for the worst after at least 42 people were killed according to Reuters in street battles between supporters and opponents of Russia in southern Ukraine that ended with dozens of pro-Russian protesters incinerated in a burning building. The riot in the Black Sea port of Odessa, ending in a deadly blaze in a besieged trade union building, was by far the worst incident in Ukraine since a February uprising that ended with a pro-Russian president fleeing the country.



The clip below, not for the faint of heart, shows anti-government protesters jumping from the burning Odessa trade unions house: it appears when Yanukovich was "killing" protesters in February, the west couldn't get up in arms fast enough screaming for the former president's overthrow. But now that the acting post-CIA funded coup government is doing the same thing to its own protesters, the radio silence is stunning.
But while yesterday's tragic events in Odessa were the first time the Ukraine conflict manifested itself in pro and anti-Russian clashes in the Black Sea town, it will hardly be the last: not only does the port city have economic and military significance, it also sits between Crimea and pro-Russian areas in eastern Ukraine and the breakaway Transnistria region of neighboring Moldova.
The admission of the true state of affairs finally came from Kiev itself which said that Ukrainian forces pressed their assault on separatists today, freeing up a regional airport as the head of the country’s anti-terrorist center warned eastern regions are “essentially” at war.
The campaign in the Donetsk region left five dead from the Ukrainian anti-terrorist operation and 12 wounded, said the center’s chief, Vasyl Krutov, at a Kiev briefing, even as military observers were freed by anti-Kiev militants. Government forces have secured the town of Slovyansk as operations in Kramatorsk continue.
“What is happening in the east is not a short-term action, this is essentially a war,” Krutov said today.
War it is:
Open clashes are sweeping Ukraine’s east, from Donetsk near the Russian border to Odessa, about 100 miles from the European Union’s southeastern frontier in Romania, amid signs the industrial and coastal regions are slipping out of the Kiev government’s control. The U.S. and the European Union accuse Russia of being behind the unrest, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is “extremely concerned” and is studying the situation, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov, said today.
There was some good news: military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who were taken hostage a week ago were freed and will be delivered to the Council of Europe in Slovyansk near Donetsk, the council said today in a statement.
Bloomberg reports further that the U.S. and EU accuse Russia of stirring unrest to undermine Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said at a briefing today in Jezioro, Poland, that officials are “losing hope” about a diplomatic solution to end the crisis.
“This is a war of maybe a different kind, it is a war that’s undeclared,” Tusk was quoted as saying by PAP newswire at a media briefing. “But what we’re really dealing with is de-facto a war. You can clearly see that actions taken by the international community haven’t brought results.”
To be sure, Ukraine and NATO is putting all the blame on Russia - not only for instigating the conflict but arming the separatists, seemingly oblivious of factual evidence that it was the US that was doing precisely the same just over three months ago when it was orchestarting the overthrow of the then government.
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said the use of advanced weapons showed the separatists were “professional saboteur groups” rather than peaceful protesters. In a statement, it called their tactics “characteristic of foreign military or mercenaries.”
Turmoil erupted yesterday in Odessa, where more than 130 people had been detained by police, with 10 criminal cases already started, according to Petro Lutsyuk, the head of the Interior Ministry’s directorate in the city, said on the agency’s website. The Interior Ministry later said on its website that Lutsyuk was fired.
The nearby city of Nikolaev hosts much of the country’s defense and shipbuilding industry, as well as Zorya-Mashproekt, a state enterprise that manufactures gas turbines for OAO Gazprom (GAZP), the Russian natural gas producer and exporter.
Meanwhile, the theater by western leaders hit a new peak yesterday when Obama and Merkel did all they could: threaten more sanctions. At their news conference in Washington, Obama and Merkel said Russia must pull back support for the separatists so Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election can go ahead unimpeded. If the vote can’t be held, “we will not have a choice but to move forward” with more sanctions, Obama said. Merkel called the election “crucial” and said she’s ready to support economic sanctions if needed.
Ironically, it is German commercial interests which as we said back in March, are doing all they can to prevent sanctions of Russia as they know well they would be the biggest losers. Germany is Europe’s largest economy and had $127 billion in trade with Russia in 2013, according to the International Monetary Fund, making Germany is Russia’s second-biggest trading partner. Putin has threatened to escalate economic warfare if further sanctions are imposed.
“When we will reach a particular tipping point is very hard to say in advance,” Merkel said. “But all I can say is that the elections on May 25 are a decisive juncture for me and if there is further destabilization, things will get more and more difficult.”
Expect more furious bluster out of Germany and Obama, hoping that verbal escalation will finally cause Putin to pull back. It won't. Meanwhile Putin is keeping quiet. Which is the second good news because as we showed yesterday, all Putin has to do is give the command.
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On the contrary, we're all seeing the light trader1! Its exactly how msnbc presents the problem, that putin is a horrible dictator, that this ukraine mess was totally started by russians in ukraine egged on by putin, and that obama, kerry, biden, nuland and others are trying so hard to bring nice american style democracy to that poor poor country. Loans and help extended by the imf and eu are their only hope! Everything happening there need only be seen at face value, and the u.s. media will fill in any gaps to help us understand things really well. Obama good! Putin bad!
That about your speed, fuckie?
very edgy there...i like you ;-)
actually, it seems you missed the humor of my original comment, which was a wink to the paranoid schizophrenic residents of ZH. anytime a mass shooting, bombing, or something catastrophic occurs in the US, it's considered a "false flag". so, why not elsewhere? or, is your world ameri-centric?
so, i thought it was funny not to have heard anyone use the phrase in context of the violence happening in ukraine.
silver?!
just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean there are no false flags employed by governments looking to achieve some goal.
In fact, there are numerous examples of them, which you can easily learn about, if ever you decide to stop being a silly bitch.
of course, i know that. i am not denying that none have ever happened, but i am denying that these happen all the time.
unless we were involved directly, we can only think whatever we want about a past event, integrating facts/speculations into whatever belief system(s) we employ.
you'll end up with at least two perspectives1 if you ask enough people.
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1this is probably an underestimate.
I didn’t go to your link. Got 2 negative votes on a 1994 link when Hildabeast spoke. Conspiracy only comes true when the lies are caught on Jewtube video channel.
do you like soundgarden's music? if so, then click on the link.
i only link to good content ;-)
dont worry, russian peacekeeping forces are near the border and will rush in calming the situation, then a sudden pre-emptive (saddam style) airstrike in kiev when these nazis gather a meeting will solve the crisis before the weekend is over..
More historical revisionism on Zero Hedge:
"... it appears when Yanukovich was "killing" protesters in February, the west couldn't get up in arms fast enough screaming for the former president's overthrow..."
That is right from the lips of the Russian UN ambassador! What blather. The west never called for a resignation.
And Zero Hedge, did you already forget the April 17th Geneva Agreement? Today we have an interim government in Kiev that is carrying out its rights and responsibilities. National Elections are scheduled for May 25th and Russia and traitors loyal to Russia are doing all it can to derail them.
Recall that the cowardly turn-coat, Yanucovych, former Kleptocrat-in-Chief of Ukraine, disappearance without a word on February 22nd before he was forced to sign concessions with opposition groups. This reprobate criminal did not have the backbone to negotiate and face an investigation into his personal corruption. He fled, some say with a suitcase of gold, to his partner-in-crime, Russia.
Here is the timeline (runs from present to past as you scroll down).
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275
Imagine a group of Texas having a coup against the current government, and then forming a new government in USSA and repudiating all the debt they need to pay to China.
And then China starting to send troops into USSA, because surely in the USSA, there must lots and lots of yellow men being oppressed by the white-Americano-thugs?
And Russia doing the same.
This scenario could unfold in the next decades. Or Mexicans, supported covertly by China/Russia.
The paper in which the Zionists clearly state that they hold USSA as their best friends, is worth shit, no matter what AIPAc says.
USSA could be sacrificed on the altar of globalism(=zionism) if that serves the interests of zionism.
I think Americans are the new Germans, and Russians/Chinese will be the new Americans in this WW3 that's about to start in Eastern Europe.
The good guys will be the bad guys this time.
WW1 started in the Balcans (South-Eastern Europe).
WW2 started also in Eastern Europe with Hitler attacking Czechoslovakia.
WW3 is about to start in Eastern Europe with these Ukraine events.
I see a common thing here. Eastern Europe being a battlefield of empires. And before the 20th century, countless wars between the Ottomans vs Russians vs Austro-Hugarians.
Who lost? Eastern Europeans.
Who won? The Talmudists.
Zionists financed Hitler and Stalin. You didn't knew that Americans, they don't teach you that in your history books? Gran' daddy Bush can shed some light on this.
I bet right now, Zionists are financing China and Russia vs America.
Open your eyes, Americans and Russians, you both are being played.
That timeline does not describe the content of the February 21 deal in which Yankuvich was guaranteed safety by the opposition, who also guaranteed he would not be overthrown in a coup.
That took place 24 hrs later.
Two EU foreign ministers were at that Feb 21 meeting and were signatories to that deal -- that, repeating, guaranteed he would not be overthrown in a coup.
They did so 24 hrs later.
THAT is the key date in the entire affair.
And the FUCK THE EU comment came immedaitely after that.
I may be wrong but my sense of the timeline is that the EU was entering into an agreement. That agreement was undermined and summarily rejected by the USSA as it did not permit the USSA to obtain its objectives.
The USSA has never indicated its aspirations for Ukraine or the reason for its meddling in the internal affaris of a sovreign state.
My conjecture is that the USSA seeks to:
1) drive a wedge between the EU and Russia
2) collapse any possibilty of a new Silk Road linking Europe overland with China via Russia
3) Galvanize the need for NATO and protect USSA arms markets
4) continue EU dependency on US financial teat to ensure continued US financial hegemony and protect the dollar.
5) distract the USSA and EU publics from the real issues by recreating a fearful bogeyman in the East
6) attempt to salvage the reputation of US foreign policy establishment who look like absolute dickheads after Syria and Crimea
Did I miss something?
Your Mother drop you on your head while breastfeeding, then didn't want you anymore?
Saying dumb shit for downvotes is hellava way to get attention and sure won't fix you...
Victoria, is that you??
C'mon.
Did every Ukranian citizen have a chance to vote on the April 17th Geneva Agreement?
The current government was not elected, it was appointed, and many oligarchs appointed to government posts - unelected.
Besides, the neo-Nazi's, with the aid of the U.S. and the E.U., violated the agreement by sending troops into the south-east.
It was a coup staged by the CIA in time-honoured tradition as in Iran 1953, Vietnam 1962, Egypt 1955.........the civil war was pre-programmed as Ukrainian military is so closely tied to Russia and its factories produce for Russian military. The country has to split or WWIII starts in earnest.
The US would not let Texas leave the Union with all its defence plants so why did they start a proxy war with Russia ? Europe will split from the US except for vassal states like Britain that only exist as US cutouts. The only time in history a Colonial Power has become a Colony of its former colony.
The U.S. flag falls during the 2012 olympics. It was between the Russian and Belarus flags when it happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if1qCfMsy_A
This is a map of eastern europe.
http://goeasteurope.about.com/od/introtoeasteuropetravel/ig/Maps-of-East...
concidence or portent?
Cool, one of those supernatural ironic things.
Oh the irony, "Lesya Orobets demonstrates her qualities in the battle for election for mayor of Kiev." Posing with a sniper rifle:
https://twitter.com/LesyaOrobets/status/462503801006882816/photo/1
Also reported that Ukraine army have taken several towns, including Kramatorsk. It seems to me that Putin is in something of a bind, he cannot just attack because of the clear manipulation of the West, they want his action so that they can put the Hitler-jacket on him. However, he has also stated the red line and he has to back that up. If he waits too long, given that the red line has clearly been crossed at this point, he will look weak.
I think he has to go in. Perhaps something of a swarming mission to take out Ukraine units and Right Sector forces, while not taking towns. A protection and defense move would limit the ability of the West to jacket him. Definitely a double bind, he needs to play smart and intervene only at the smallest level.
why no Iskander was fired yet? so far at least SBU in Kiev could be burning.
naaah, it's overkill....there are, however, other methods.
Don't you think the end-game here is to compel Ukraine to join NATO.
The "regime" in Kyiv (I am not sure it is a legitimate government.) is composed of a handful of Western tit sucking "elites" that spent the last decade going to CFR and IMF confabs in hopes of making bank. After a 2 more Ukraine oligarchs are assassinated the rest of the rats are going to jump ship and move to London - leaving "the ultra-nationalists" to run a country of 40 million. That is not going to work and everyone knows it.
The leadership in Kyiv has a short window to plead for NATO membership and intervention and otherwise accelerate the "NATO Membership Action Plan." This is in exchange for the IMF money and a couple dozen golden parachutes for a job well done. This has all been in the works since 1997.
There will be a fire break when this decision must be made and acted upon. They are inside this break now. Personally, I think NATO can only come into Ukraine BEFORE Russian incursions in the East. NATO and Europe will not send anything into a hot war zone.
Well done, Czarina Vladima! The World now equates Russia with Gangsters!
Russia = Gangsters
Moshe, -- is that you?
maybe in your dumbass world..
"Are you Gangsters?.....No, we are Russians" BRAT 2 Russian cinema (last minutes of movie)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOhQ9QnvHtk
Considering that the DC US and their Zionist buddies started this whole thing, and all the other depravities they are guilty of around the world and in Waco, why do people still balk at number three, Retribution, on my list? Is it because some of them hand out cookies?!
The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying, quit playing.
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a
restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.
You left out one "R", Crisco.\
Return to Psychiatrist and have medications reviewed/renewed.
Can't! Obamacare cancelled my insurance and my doctor is not on my new double-the-cost, twice-the-deductible "plan," and my meds quadrupled in price.
Asia Minor is getting a little out of control with killing, almost every state is in revolt with actively organized terror groups
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Yanakovich had the Russians, the oil, and like 15billion in loans knocking on the door of Ukraine. Unbelievable, the threat of Ukraine choosing to be a vasal state or have Russia taking Crimea and the East must have been palatable to the protesters.
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seems Russia wasn't all that surprised bitchez
US / NATO War Crimes in Ukraine:
http://99getsmart.com/usnato-crimes-in-ukraine/
What a shameful demonstration of studidity from the West.....where has all the logic gone?
when Clinton used NATO to intervene in Serbia that was okay (well not with Russia and China actually) now if Russia should want to intervene (on humanitarian grounds) that would be an act of war, although you can imagine the same scenario. our bullets and bombs are more humane and we always kill the right people (unless of course its a drone attack and then the dead people are the right people)
Perhaps the stupidity belongs to the beholder. Obama said he would be more flexible after the election. Who is benefitting from all of this? It isn't the US - we look bad. It isn't the banks - more loans that will never be paid.. It isn't Ukraine - debt and death. It isn't Europe - energy and economic problems. The sanctions against Russia are a joke.
Who is benefitting? Russia is getting paid one way or the other, most likely with western (US) funds. Fuel prices are going up, at least for Ukraine, maybe soon for all of Europe. Russia has gained Crimea and looks likely to get the eastern part of Ukraine also.
Let me put it another way. If a man says he is going to kill you, who's fault is it if you don't listen and he does kill you? Obama said he'd be more flexible for Putin but we didn't know what he meant. Maybe we are finding out.
Yeah, I have asked that question in the past. One would need to know what Pooty Poot was discussing with Barry prior to the flexible comment. It is very perplexing to say the least.
When you have something the Globalist's covet, there is no logic applied.
White Christian Men killing each other at the behest of athiests, humanists, satanists, zionists, and devils of all sorts. I seen that movie too many times for too many centuries.
radical man burners are no Christiians
Theory 1: The west is behind all the turmoil in order to... get 40M more debt slaves.
Theory 2: Russia is behind all the turmoil in order to... protect Russian speakers.
Theory 3: Obama is now being more flexible with Putin - creating a crisis which will ultimately undermine Germany's economy and Merkel's leadership while strengthening Russia's leverage and holdings.
Theory 4: there is a secret contract. Obama get syria, putin ukraine
Theory 5: None of the above
Those were NATO intelligence officers, not osce.
Russia either invades this weekend or they do not invade at all. Window is closing
intervene...not invade
the Ukrainian citizens want saved from tyrants
either way. If he doesn't do i t now during the offensive he wont
anyone got a light ???
get lost idiot
you have to laugh arming new NATO countries with missiles to attack Russia is the 1960s flipside of the Cuba missile crisis. suppose the communists staged a coup in Mexico city and took power and they demanded stronger ties with Russia. even before there were weapons aimed at US soil that revolution would be ended by force. the very thing we nearly went to war with them fifty years ago is precisely what we are doing to them now. it really is their machievellian world, and i suppose its better to be a hammer than a nail.
obama did back off in Syria, which would have been a lot easier than what he is facing if he decides to use force in Ukraine. by historical analogy putin has a lot of room to act in defense of E Ukraine, the western leaders are kibbitizing right now. if the russians take E Ukraine by force the west wins, if the pro western government in Kiev remains in power, they win. the only loss for the west is if Russia restores all of Ukraine under a pro Russian government, which isn't going to happen.
Very sad people have to die before the real cause of Ukrain's problems are put in the open
I have seen many commentators as of late give their take, but few of them had the decency to say, 'I don't know.' Conviction is the sure sign of a man with a book to sell.
Ukraine was at war the moment Pootin seized power. They were just to blithe to realize it.
Damned oilman George Bush caused gas to more than double during the Obowelmovement's watch,and now he's started a war with the Ukraine and Russia.
fuck it. people were surrounded in the building which was set on fire. more than 30 died. fuck europe, the usa and everyone else that support war. next thing I am taking a gun...
and yes, I am ukrainian
And let's not forget how deeply involved the media is in this. If anyone doubted the media being a mass psyop this should relieve you. Comments from Guardian reporter who was supposedly there in Odessa:
"The Guardian’s Howard Amos in Odessa gives his verdict on the cause of the fire that killed 46 on Friday."
"Nobody will ever know who was "responsible" for trade union building fire. It was chaos, both sides lobbing Molotovs all over the place."
If he was there then why exactly does he insist that there were not molotov cocktails being thrown into the building by Pro-Western militants and Right Sector? They were clearly surrounding the building and shooting guns. There are already several videos online proving the extent of media manipulation, including these very clear images:
http://youtu.be/s9AMjLBIliw
Exactly. Yats is head of Ukraine’s new US-backed government because the financial elites harbored in the US and Israel know what they can expect from him. Listen to Nuland, aka Nudelman, aka Mrs. Robert Kagan:
“Yats is the guys. He’s got the economic experience. He’s the guy you know.” This is Nuland in her now famous phone call to Pyatt explaining why IMF operative Arseniy Yatsenyuk was to be helped into power via Nuland’s US-orchestrated violent street demonstrations in Kiev to overthrow elected President Viktor Yanukovych when he declined their EU agreement and instead signed a deal with Russia which “gave immediate €15 billion debt relief and a huge reduction in Russian gas import prices (Global Research)” to the Ukrainian people.
I am American. I pray everyday for the good people of Ukraine who are victims of this shit which was started by some evil people at Langley and in the U.S. govt who do not, by far, have the consent of the American people. We have a bankster-fascist totalitarian regime here now in America that is totally out of control, and needs to be taken down. We need the good people in the CIA and DOD to take these fuckers out now.
wait, the EU has promised to bail out Ukraine, or this that bail them in?
Arrest the Banksters that committed this financial terrorism.
Crowds forcing back Ukraine military in Kramatorsk, calling them fascists. http://youtu.be/l1JIVBdBzXE These people could prevent WWIII. I hope Boston learns something from this (but you're likely a terrorist for sharing this video.)
Edit: RT version has subtitles:
http://youtu.be/75dlup0WXGY
Sorry this won't get off the ground until we see incubator babies tossed out of windows into mobile WMD trucks followed by a line of liver-eating decapitators while bodies bloat in a stadium surrounded by flood waters after twin towers fall on people choking on sarin gas.
Its sort of like waiting for the stock market to crash.
Choke on a yacht knot you arrogant sack of botox.
While here at "home," after the IMF-orchestrated ouster of Ukraine's president in Kiev, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew informed IMF boss Christine Lagarde that he had...
"spoken earlier in the day with Ukrainian leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk (newly installed by the IMF) and advised him of the broad support for an international assistance package centered on the IMF, as soon as the transitional Ukrainian government is fully established by the Parliament...Secretary Lew also noted that he had communicated to Mr. Yatsenyuk the need to quickly begin implementing economic reforms and enter discussions with the IMF following the establishment of the transitional government (hangthebankers.com)" -- ie, pay the interest on the IMF loan while raising the price for gas and electricity.
On February 20, one day after the EU agreement was to go into effect, Nuland's Neo-Nazi snipers opened fire on the Maidan Square demonstrators, ascribing the deaths of protesters and policemen to Yanukovych. Yet, according to Veterans Today's Jim W. Dean, the only beneficiary of the mayhem was the new IMF-sanctioned government.
I ask, then, who are the western powers pushing Ukraine into this crisis; who is making this decision; who is the IMF?
Answer: It's Jack Lew. and his post as US Treasury Secretary; he's the point man for deliivering American taxpayer money to push for IMF Empire and banker rule. And he doesn't even have to go through channels, as evidenced by his direct message to Christine Legarde to make your play and Americans will supply the money. And is it anti-Semitic now to say that the Federal Reserve is the backbone of the IMF and that the gathering for the club of American oligarchs is primarily Jewish as is the line to treasury secretary and Fed chair in America?
If it is anti-Semitic, and therefore banned speech, then what in the wide world is the reason that these operatives are primarily Jewish and that the State of Israel enjoys an almost unbelievable access to America's political, strategic, security, and policy platforms?
After those events in Odessa to be honest I'm a little surprised Russian tanks arent rumbling across the border. I mean we all knew these Banderite cunts are vicious animals but what happened yesterday was beyond words. Beating up and murdering people who've leapt from a burning building? This is Second World War stuff, you know when the Einsatzgruppen & Ukrainian volunteers would roll into villages and shoot Russians, Poles or any other 'undesirables'.
SAKER: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
Link to Russian website with graphic photos of the dead Russians in Odessa. Every Cossack, soviet army veteran, young person in Russia is up in arms, quite literally today over this. There will be retribution.
http://ani-al.livejournal.com/1705540.htm
This is what happens when you sequester defense stocks.
This "War" has been ongoing for over a year.
The AFL/CIA/IMF/NWO/ETC just want to get it heated up a bit more.
It's gonna help the MIC help our economy.. Once it boils over a bit.
Just like last time.
There is a 777 being loaded with 430 fireproof russian "terrorist" passports (and god knows what else) that will give it that extra needed boost if these skull-masked bandito's can't get it done.
Wow, what a weird bunch of comments today. Did someone post a ZH link at Reddit or HuffPo?
This weekend might be the perfect time for all honest Ukrain folks to pull the fucking plug. Turn it all off. Close the roads,airports,ports first thing. Turn off the grid. Shut off the net and the phones, radios too. Basicaly it gives the real power to the deffenders. Its all about logistics. Turn off the pipelines. Shut down the media all of it.
Then just sit back and watch as TPTB run out of opertunities to influance anything. Then the honest folks can deal with all the corruption in house. Free Ukrain. The economic situation is not an issue its the corruption.
This is a controled oposition game. Take the third option. Throw the wolves off the cliff.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4182 The Ukraine Deception: US/EU-Directed Coup D’état Exposes Itself
Is this situation stable enough for the IMF ?
If not Kiev if forced to take more action and then they will trigger a raid by Putin.
For Kiev it is about they money.
This is how this works (as far as I can see).
The short version:
IMF promises some billions, 3.6 billions immediately.
Condition: clean up the east (=go to war).
Money flows to Ukraine (=Kiev Nazis)
Kiev Nazis buy arms, military equipment in the west.
Pay with IMF money.
Money flows back to some rich fucks and the Military complex.
Some rich fucks and Military corporations drink Champagne and laugh.
Ukraine will be on the hook to pay back billions for stuff that blew up and basically for nothing else.
Too easy? Did I leave something out?
And a bunch of boys with peach fuzz on their chins who should be shooting goals, baskets, or pool will be shooting each other with guns an while remembered with parades and memorials and perhaps holidays will have died for absolutely nothing of real value.
Don't forget the yellow fucking ribbons. Maybe a new country western song that gets played on Hannity. And of course soaring eagles.
No doubt the EU is hunched over a luxurious lunch, frantically calling to arms to repel the brainwashed pro-Russian terrorists.
I'm sure a few months of meetings will produce a unified fighting force to quell this terrorist uprising.
Any fucktard that thinks ww3 is a good idea should get thier plug pulled.
If Princess Putin had had a long enough string attached to that cork in his butt, I'd a been pulling it yesterday.
ATH for the stock market on Monday!
And everybody is smiling.
It looks like it's going to be a good weekend...
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/rumors-and-disinformation...
I wipe my ass with the Kyivpost.
Before or after you read it?
I shouldn't have said that. After all, many of our grandparents did the same thing during the Dirty Thirties, back when times were tough.
I would be afraid of disease
I realize you may not be able to read the words, but look at the pictures. The pictures tell tales of thousands of words.
The Russian Ukrainians are on their own. Putin and Mother Russia are not there to invade the Ukraine at this time. Maybe later, but not now.
Putin is not going to take any heat for the benefit of the Russian Ukrainian Oligarchs. Yanokovich and his henchmen are out of the picture. Yanokovich et al should not have tried to run their hustle in Odessa.
Unread newspaper is nearly sterile from going through the presses.
Makes a good emergency bed covering for birthing a baby.
DOW JONES will burst soon.....In 2000-2001, NASDAQ burst first......after, .Dow Jones burst... Like 2000, NASDAQ has alredy begun to show signals bearish.....
see here: http://pracompraroupravender.blogspot.com.br/2014/05/em-2000-2001-bolha-...
The main problem is that foreign superpowers are fighting for Ukraine. But Ukraine needs to let own people to speak. It needs legal presidential elections ( planed on 25.5. by current government ) And then let new legally elected president to act according to mandate given him from citizens.
Anti Kiev forces do not recognize current government. If they would be really sincerely they would strongly support planed elections and respected the choice of Ukraina citizens. Are militant separatist actions really act of democracy and respect of others? Or are they simple abusing that Ukraine has now only temporary unelected president with questioning mandate?
Why are they so very hurry to separate BEFORE legitimate elections?
Could be elections performed while militant separatist controlling government buildings? Just imagine that in YOUR country some unidentified heavily gunned mans would seize government buildings and require be part of other country? How should the state respond to such very violent act? Who are these militants? How probable is that they are just agents of the foreign country which they wants to join?
I think that the contribution to planed presidential elections is very good indicator to identify which side has real interest for peaceful future of Ukraine and which on contrary wants to push own interests by force at any costs and is de facto not interested for voice of Ukraine citizens. Just think about it why could somebody make everything to destabilize country BEFORE elections?
Makes it any sense to reject legitimacy of current government, call for legitimate government, and to make everything to avoid elections coming in less than 4 weeks. I'm trying to honestly answer these questions in order to filter all published (dis)informations and understand who is who.
this Kiev coup regime came to power through violence. You think ethnic Russians or anyone with a brain would trust "elections" set up by a bunch of Western-backed fascists now? No, the Banderites & their EU/US supporters have sown the wind, so now they shall reap the whirlwind of Ukraine's disintegration.
'Anti Kiev forces do not recognize current government. If they would be really sincerely they would strongly support planed elections and respected the choice of Ukraine citizens.'
OR:
3 months ago...Anti Government forces do not recognize current government. If they would be really sincerely they would strongly support planed elections and respected the choice of Ukraine citizens.
Fixed it for you.
mmmm, what was so different then, that's right the US was busy arming protestors to overthrow the legitimate elected Government, while warning the government not to use force against protestors, oddly enough the 'new' interim government seems more than happy to burn protestors alive without a murmur of protest from the US for their actions.
Surely even you can see the hypocrisy here?
Yanukovich was legal president that LOST confidence of citizens. It is very legitimate right of citizens to ask for resignation of current leaders and for new election!!! The lost confidence was very clearly expressed by Kiev protests. During December there was 400 000 – 900 000 protesters against Yanukovich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
It was after president rapidly changed the course of the country, switching from association within EU to Russia. Protesters expressed on one side that he has no mandate to make this switch, he was not elected with this mandate. Yanukovich believed he apply this policy change by FORCE. (he purposely changed also laws to make demonstration illegal ).
It was very good that people staying for years FRUSTRATED from its leaders by PASIVE, became active at presenting their dissatisfaction with political leaders. If many 100-thousands (up to 900 000) of people protest 4 MONTHS against own leaders, it is very clear sign of dissatisfaction. This is not something what could be orchestrated by western agents!!!
OK I believe it was there WESTERN agents, exactly as was there also Russia agents (I'm sure Russia had there stronger presence of agents than West because Yanukovich was Putins man). But such large masses of ordinary citizens can't be manipulated against president by some agents, if president would act for interests of its citizens!
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there is one little issue only:
even the new goverment in kiew DID NOT SIGN the economic part of the agreement but the POLITICAL one.
the fugitive ex-president did not want to sign the economic part too, just the political one.
then what is the difference ?
the second issue is, in a democracy the elections can be undone by other elections. right ? was the ex-president planning elections ?
are you allowed to answer these questions ?
One doesn't have to be pro Russian or pro Yanukovich to realize that anybody who wants their country to join the EU must suffer from a diseased brain and is a larger long term threat to Ukrainians or any other country for that matter than anything Russia or Russians may do or have done. Furthermore I doubt any normal human being would be pro EU unless they were made promises that we know will never be kept and or paid to protest. The pro EU forces are grounded in corruption, fairytales and lies.
EU: "We'll sell out whats left of your production to China, we'll bring in third world immigrants to your country to lower labour costs, native Ukrainians can move to large cities in western Europe to perform menial tasks for shit wages and in return we'll bring you abortion, gay marriage, divorce etc etc etc."
Who in their right mind would wish that upon themselves? IMO only people so mentally ill and ethically corrupted that their opinion or voice should not be relevant to more able minded adults.
It seems you know little about life in Ukraine. Did you ever visited Ukraine? Did you visited any East EU country during their dependence to USSR? ... and did you visited east EU later as they joined EU? I live in East EU and have more friends from Ukraine. I'm visiting regularly other East EU countries and I see the progress in all of them. I and probably almost NOBODY in East EU would want switch from EU to some Russia block. These people have its own experience and only they could compare EU vs. Russia. The choice is very clear it is EU.
And we must clearly state that Ukraine was strongly influenced by USSR/Russia. It means Ukrainians have already own experience with Russia. They are really not happy with their economic and political environment.
I agree that Western countries are corrupt and their financial system is totally ILL. But life in Ukraine is much much worse. The level of corruption or criminality in Ukraine is much worse than in EU.
Some more luckily Ukrainians are visiting East EU countries, Poland, Slovakia, Czech.rep., Ungarn, ....Bulgaria. They could clearly see that these countries made considerable improvement during their association with EU. If somebody say it is not true, he is simply blind. The situation of Ukraine joining EU can't be worse than the current one and the example of East EU progress is clear proof, not theory, this is THE FACT.
Could those elections be carried out with militant foreign-funded non-separatists controlling some other other government buildings?
All I know is that somebody out there really, really hates human beings.
That "somebody" would appear to be other human beings.
"War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Author unknown
Putin does not need to do anything at the moment for the following reasons:
1) Germany will be seen as anti Russian by Russian people in siding with the US on increasing sanctions, especially with the current neo-nazi right wing government in the Ukraine.
2) Sanctions by US seen as attack on Russian people for Russian speaking people being killed in the Ukraine.
3)The footage of Russian people being killed and burnt alive in the Ukraine will play in Russia over and over again and will raise the anger level of the Russian people.
Eventually the Russian people will demand Putin do something to protect Russian people and Russian interests, at which time he will have the complete support of the entire country behind him, the Russian people are prepared to put up with far more hardship than any western country would tolerate when they feel victimized.
At which point Putin will say that he must support the will of the Russian people who have demanded he protect Russian speakers in the Ukraine and will invade for humanitarian reasons, the US and Europe will have done all the steps necessary themselves without him lifting a finger.
The West was incredibly foolish in this.
They took what they felt worked in the middle east, formenting a 'regime' change and expecting it to work out just as it did everywhere else...it would stabalize and become an IMF and petro-dollar slaves.
Only problem is they faced Al-Qaida and unpopular regimes in each area.
Now they face Russia and Slavs who don't behave as muslims. Russia isn't Al-Qaida lol.
What a mess created by the US...at this point it's a foregone conclusion Russia will step in and segment the country.
The West was incredibly foolish in this.
They took what they felt worked in the middle east, formenting a 'regime' change and expecting it to work out just as it did everywhere else...it would stabalize and become an IMF and petro-dollar slaves.
Only problem is they faced Al-Qaida and unpopular regimes in each area.
Now they face Russia and Slavs who don't behave as muslims. Russia isn't Al-Qaida lol.
What a mess created by the US...at this point it's a foregone conclusion Russia will step in and segment the country.
As if Russia would just "step in"....
If the helicopters shot down in the east are an indication in any way, the Russians understand it as an indication that there are plenty more of those same weapons, most likely a bit better, in the hands of Ukrainian "unionists".
We're just getting to the part where simple and humbly paid Rusiian "agents" start to back off an hide while six-figure merc/assassin squads begin to prowl cities and roam the countryside. Do you think the billions the US has thrown nto Ukraine was all on NGOs, and not on imbedding people into the pro-Russian separatists that have been organizing over the past decade?
They are probably manpads supplied by Saudi Arabia to Syrian rebels
NO JOKE
"The Public Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
IMF won`t pay Ukraine if they don`t fight.
Get to work boys. Go whack a few Ukranian ruskies. It`s not that difficult.
And while we are all trying to parse all of the information between OBlahBlah and Puta and whoever else that is spewing disinformation, some drunken Eastern European guy at a kegger is going to light up one of the 'nukes they never accounted for after they tore the wall down just to 'see what happens', at which point we will all have something concrete to complain about.
The one thing you can be certain: whatever happens in the Ukraine, Soros will somehow make a buck from it.
victoria "fuck the eu" nuland, and john "paleonazi" brennan must be drunk with delirium and self congratulations.
Looks like the US is kicking names and kicking ass thus. Russian response?
One things for sure........if all this blows over like nothing ever happened(much like recent other end of the world events) it may be wortth your time to forget about this fucking bullshit and spend your time more productively and worry about your own situation. Time will tell. For now I see no hope for Russians in Ukraine unless Russia itself enters and do they have the balls to risk US confrontation? I have no idea.
Oh and how is that not an observance that Ukraine is winning?
Obama to face COURT in Russia for Murder of Innocent Ukranian's
Well Obama got his way, and it looks like PUTIN is going to use the West's very own favorite tool. The Legal System, a court TRIAL to PROVE that UKRAINE was a 'USA MURDER for Hire' Scheme to slaughter innocent Ukranians ...
Keiv ran the murder in Odessa on behalf of Obama,...
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The Russian State Duma (lower house of parliament) said the Kiev authorities were committing war crimes and therefore must face a military tribunal.
“I think this is an organised criminal group that has been acting like this since the very beginning, committing war crimes. For these atrocities they must be brought to justice as war criminals and they must be tried by an international military tribunal,” Irina Yarovaya, chair of the Duma Security Committee, said on Saturday, May 3.
She believes that any support for ‘the self-proclaimed Kiev authorities who ordered the extermination of their own people means compliance in this mass killing of people”.
Duma Deputy Speaker Sergei Neverov is convinced that “there is no justification” for what happened in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Odessa in Ukraine.
“It’s awful that the unleashing of civil war Ukraine is supported by the West that in no time has forgotten human rights and democratic values, of which EU countries and the United States claimed to be the advocates. Now no one has any doubt as to who is sponsoring unrests in Ukraine and who sponsored them from the start,” he said.
“I do hope quite sincerely that last night’s tragedy will make those who support the illegitimate and criminal regime come to their senses although the chances of that are waning, judging from the reaction of Western politicians,” Neverov said. “Instead of defending peaceful citizens of Ukraine, they are blocking Russian proposals in the U.N. Security Council, which are aimed at peaceful resolution of the issue. The West is conniving at the Ukrainian radicals and Nazi whose ideology is extermination. Apparently Europe has learnt no bitter lessons from last century.”
Frants Klintsevich, deputy chair of the Duma Defence Committee, drew historical parallels with the current events in Ukraine.
“The European Union and America refuse to understand the explosive situation in Ukraine and do not want to figure out what is good and what is bad because they simply can’t benefit from that. They want a civil war,” he said.
Klintsevich recalled that “during the Great Patriotic War [1941-1945], SS battalions manned with Ukrainian nationalists commanded by fascists destroyed the village of Khatyn in Belarus, burning the elderly, women and children alive”.
“Practically 70 years on, the decedents of those fascists did the same. They blocked people inside the Trade Union House and set it on fire,” he said.
“Why does Europe support such atrocities?” the MP asked.
He stressed that all opposition parties in “enlightened Europe” and the whole world must know what “present-day fascists” did in Odessa.
Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs and Ties with Compatriots Leonid Slutsky said the bloodbath in Odessa on May 2 “completely destroys the Geneva accords and incites a civil war in Ukraine”.
“What happened, especially the fire in the Trade Union House, reminds me of the Nazi crimes during World War II. This is a new Khatyn and Auschwitz,” he said.
“Especially outrageous is the benevolent reaction of the West to the crimes committed by the Kiev authorities against their own people,” he said, and stressed that “violence must be condemned and stopped”.
Mikhail Starshinov, head of the inter-faction group for interaction between civil society institutions and law enforcement agencies, condemned the Ukrainian Interior Ministry’s statement that the Trade Union House in Odessa had been set on fire by the activists who had seized it.
“By the degree of cynicism, this statement is beyond the good and the bad,” he said. “This is yet another evidence that certain political forces in the world will stop at nothing in a bid to achieve their goals.”
He stressed that Russia was trying to conduct a dialogue on the settlement of the situation in Ukraine at all levels, including the Foreign Ministry and parliament. “However our opponents remain deaf to reasonable proposals on how to de-escalate violence. As a result, innocent people died,” Starshinov said, adding that “this scenario would have been unheard of two months ago”.
Unrests erupted on Friday, May 2, with a mass fight started by football fans from Kharkov, Right Sector radicals and members of the so-called “Maidan self-defence” force from Kiev, who had decided to march along the streets of Odessa, thus provoking clashes with the supporters of Ukraine’s federalisation. As a result, 46 people had been killed in the clashes and over 200 had requested medical attention.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry said the building had been set on fire by the same people who had seized it. However this disagrees with the footage and eye-witness reports from the scene.
"Klintsevich recalled that “during the Great Patriotic War [1941-1945], SS battalions manned with Ukrainian nationalists commanded by fascists destroyed the village of Khatyn in Belarus, burning the elderly, women and children alive”....
For some reason, everybody else remembers Khatyn as a place where the soviets executed more than 21,000 polish soldiers there... I guess comparisons to Khatyn are justified, considering the past actions of soviets/russians in Ukraine.
Khatyn was 1943 Belarus
Katyn massacre was 1940 Poland by Georgian Bolshevik Lavernti Beria"s NKVD
Soviet NKVD was not a Russian construct. Russians were never in control.
Everybody else?
The executioner was Blokhin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin
You might as well argue that the Americans slaughtered the American Indians.
Here, we are talking about NAZIs slaughtering people in modern-day Ukraine, just as NAZIs slaughtered them before. The logical linkage is about NAZIs, not slaughter.
Russians talking about the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. No irony there. And how many Ukrainians did they slaughter by starvation in the 1930's?
Yeah the Ukrainians just get all warm and fuzzy just thinking about those 3.5 to 5 million dead.
I viewed this site last night.
(No need for translation)
I'll remember forever the guy on the stairs.
IMF likes their blood money baked.
Bankster War!
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1570374.html
I come here and often leave levity and jocularity in my posts...it is my way at catharsis through all of this...putressence. When I see pictures like those it makes me very angry. I am sure those people had done nothing wrong besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time. A pox on these war hawks.
Translation :
NATO Hummer vehicles in Ukraine against the residents of Yasnogorki ! 02 05 2014
... on the following video, which was recorded at Jasnogorka, driving the Ukrainian military convoy between the age-old truck with new (and expensive) Hummer military vehicles from U.S. production. This raises the question of whether these are vehicles that "invested" by the U.S. billion were bought, or whether it Greystone / Blackwater mercenaries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPD6B8TX2II
And the open question is: Who pays the troops? The Ukraine is broke so I guess it's the EU and USA. Who else might have an interest?
To some extend the question was answered the IMF does pay, and the Ukraine does want to buy from it and did not pay their gas bills.
All War's are Banker's War's. IMF say's "Go to War if you want your FIAT DEBT CURRENCY Bailout!"
Are you sure this is a real war or just a multi-sided progrom? Burning people in a trading house and not an opera house?
Vivid display of violence between countries has temporary replaced wars of religion the closer you get to the west? If you like your genocides than you can keep your genocide? NOW MONEY PRINTING GETS PERSONAL pictures don't lie!
Why can't they all just get along?
A bank burned to the ground, so it was a good day. A war on banks would be General Smedler Butley's kind of war. Everybody's money will be gone! There it was, gone.
It's Sunday, so it is a good day to stop the fighting and attend church. Pray in church that more and many banks burn to the ground.
They can resume the battle tomorrow morning and Monday will be a better day to die than on a Sunday. Sundays are for praying and a day off from your back breaking work that needs to stop so you can rest. What better way to rest than to pray for a bank to burn. A pogrom against banks is the ticket, they've got money to burn, so it might as well happen.
Burn banks any day of the week and Sunday is the best day. There is no rest for the evil, wicked, mean and nasty. Sunday is THE day burn a bank.
No bank burning holidays at all, burn them whenever you feel like it, but not during banking hours.
No such thing as burning your paid off mortgage anymore, so it is time to burn the banks.
On this Sunday, pray for a bank burning, an answer to the prayers of many.
If banks want to finance, foment, war, well, then, by God, the smite will be administered, fire and brimstone rules.
A burning bank will be an act of peace, not war.
God will approve, so Sunday is really the best day to burn a bank.
Pray that it happens again today.
http://rt.com/news/156692-ukraine-cia-fbi-agents/
Wednesday, May 16th, 2012
"It will start in Europe.
Your banking system will be the cause and Germany, once again, will be involved in this tragedy as it was on the last two occasions.
When it commences much will be over saving the economy and catastrophe will affect Greece with much fallout in France.
The Middle East will also be involved with Israel and Iran at war and Syria will play a serious part in the downfall of Egypt.
My daughter I wake you to tell you this, not to frighten you, but to urge much prayer for Europe at this time.
Because of war and lack of money, much of the harvest will be lost and this will lead to the opening of the Third Seal, which means famine."
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/second-seal-world-war-3/
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/there-will-rise-a-fearful-army-the...
When it comes to ODESSA expect the American Jewish league to be received at the WHITE HOUSE? After the war when the history books are written a trading house inferno would fit the narrative about rhythming history? In the distant future the Odessa stuff will be used to change the narrative into a religious struggle to mask a landgrab? Like history repeats?
Buy on the rapture note and sell on the second coming?
What you have here is one criminal gang fighting another criminal gang in a turf war. The only innocents, the only victims are the ordinary Ukrainian citizens who are caught in the middle and will end up paying the price for the arrogance a hubris of ages old West vs. East power games, played in a vain attempt to cover for their own massive corruption and incompetence. A mirror image of 1914.
...except now we have nukes.
Here's how it ends:
* Russia invades, annexes eastern Ukraine.
* Ukraine elections held, new govermnent formed
* Whats left of Ukraine is welcomed with open arms into debt serfdom by their new EU bankers.
Losers you ask ? The Ukrainian people. As usual.
Losers well thats pretty much every honest person on the planet. If we lose its a new darkest age for mankind.
Maybe its time all the honest folks got thier shit together. The bad guys have it together. Thier idea of a reset is ww3. They need to trick us into it.
We honest folks do have a say in this. Its our labor that makes everything happen.
A GLOBAL STALL. A WORLD WIDE PULL THE PLUG PARTY. FULL OF LAUGHTER AND MUSIC.
In the movie, VILLA RIDES, Yul Brynner (coincidentally born in Russia) playing Villa, waits just long enough for the corrupt government troops to hang enough innocent civilians to ensure the remaining civilians will fight for him before he attacks and kills the government troops.