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Dozens Of CIA, FBI Agents "Advising Ukraine Government", German Press Reports

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Now that the situation in Ukraine has officially been upgraded to "war", what really happens on the ground will remain largely wrapped by the fog of war on either side, with just one thing assured: a war it may be but more than anything it is a proxy war - one in which both western and Russian interests are manifest in the fighting, and killing, of mostly innocent civilians in Ukraine - a carbon copy replica of what happened last year in Syria.

The latest reminder of just this comes from AFP which reports, citing Germany's Bild, that "dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government."

From AFP:

Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.


It said the agents were not directly involved in fighting with pro-Russian militants. "Their activity is limited to the capital Kiev," the paper said.


The FBI agents are also helping the Kiev government fight organised crime, it added.


A group specialised in financial matters is to help trace the wealth of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, according to the report.

On the surface, this report is hardly surprising: we reported a month ago, subsequently confirmed by the White House, that CIA director Brennan had "secretly" visited Kiev in early April. It stands to logic that he was hardly alone and continuing the proud tradition of Libya, Egypt and Syria, the CIA was merely getting started unfolding the agency's core competency: regional destabilization.

What is very surprising is that Germany's press is finally stepping away from the western media propaganda umbrella and starting to report the side of the narrative that is in direct opposition to US interests in either Ukraine, or Germany.

So just who, and why, is pulling the strings on Germany's media outlets in a way that goes against the official Merkel fiction, if in agreement with Germany's commercial and industrial interests (as well as those of Europe's commission himself)?

And how soon before Germany's position, one clearly against the imposition of further sanctions on Russia and the additional alienation of the Kremlin, puts Germany on direct collision course with Obama and the US state department? And what then: will Germany, shunned by the US, have no choice but to reallign with the ascendent Eurasian axis of China and Russia. Stay tuned.


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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:51 | 4725835 THX 1178
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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:54 | 4725843 johngaltfla
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I guess the US government had some to spare. I thought they were all busy monitoring us!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:56 | 4725846 FinalEvent
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<- no surprise
<- surprise

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:04 | 4725875 Ying-Yang
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Proxy War..... hmmmmmm

I am going to pay taxes with proxy fiat.

Proxy... the new normal.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:07 | 4725890 linniepar
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Not a coincidence Rocky IV is on the tube right now.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:16 | 4725913 Manthong
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Germany is the real pivot point in this (explains the leak?).

Putin speaks German near as well as he speaks Russian.

His kids are/were schooled in Germany.

Merkel hails from East Germany.

The Nordstream and other pipelines to Germany are pretty darn important (all of its NG).

Germany/German regulators have put a little distance between them and the rest of the western finance cartel (Gold Fix, bank investigations etc and they still don’t have their gold back from the US)

Siemens, Daimler, BASF and Bayer are more important to them than Chevron, Monsanto, Cargill and CAT.

Obama is likely in a bigger trick bag than Putin is in this travesty of US policy.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:20 | 4725923 i-dog
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Remind me again: How many American bases and troops are firmly planted in Germany?

That could also be a factor in ZATO calculations....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:24 | 4725947 Bananamerican
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Wiki: The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice that serves as both a federal criminal investigative body and an internal intelligence agency (counterintelligence).

Current Mission Statement:

Our goal is to develop a comprehensive understanding of the threats and penetrate national and transnational networks that have a desire and capability to harm us. Such networks include: terrorist organizations, foreign intelligence services, those that seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction, and criminal enterprises.

Mission or taxdollar creep?


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:31 | 4725969 DoChenRollingBearing
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Until proven otherwise, we should just assume all US federal-level agencies are working to take our money and our freedoms.  This is quiet work, but evidence abounds that my statement is true.

Exhibit One: So many agencies (Social Security, the Post Office, etc.) buying billions of rounds of ammunition.

Exhibit Two: FBI mission-creep (well put Bananamerican)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:36 | 4725981 Pinto Currency
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Obama and his neocon advisors are continuing the overt destruction of America's reputation started by W.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:44 | 4725996 Cathartes Aura
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actually, those "neocon" advisors date waaaay back, one might even re-search Nixon, Kissygrrr & the links to the red-shields, et. al.

chapters, admittedly, but currently important chapters to re-member.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:56 | 4726023 strannick
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"Counter Intelligence". 6 parts. Youtube.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:07 | 4726200 0b1knob
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Ukraine government advised by CIA and FBI agents.

While the Russian separatists are of course advised by angels, fairies, and Russian fashion models in leather miniskirts and fishnet stockings.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:19 | 4726214 dogbreath
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see eye aye assisting in booking rendition flights

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:58 | 4726292 Lore
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How long before Al-CIA-DA engages in proxy destabilization operations IN GERMANY? 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:15 | 4726341 CuttingEdge
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Maybe this will happen around the time the dollar collapses, gold rockets, and Merkel starts saying Germany can't be arsed waiting seven years for repatriation of their tungsten bars the Fed are looking after...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:27 | 4726363 Xibalba
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this is happneing to preserve what's left of the petrodollar

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:18 | 4726469 SWRichmond
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Maybe they can help them pay their wage arrears:


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:54 | 4726826 Latina Lover
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Thank you USSA, for fucking up another country.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:55 | 4726871 Pinto Currency
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It doesn't make sense for a country whose fiat petro currency has been destabilized by its central bank to go around confronting or creating chaos in oil producing countries that might go back to petro gold oil trading such as Iraq, Libya, Syria, Russia, Iran, etc. Or does it.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:14 | 4726964 g'kar
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it makes sense if you are intentionally destroying that country.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:19 | 4727234 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Sometimes, I admit, I wish I had taken the blue pill and gone to work for The Empire's bureaucracy. What bliss to live in a delusional world where I believe my “hard” work did good for the Plebeians. What bliss to believe I deserve a hefty share of the loot taken from the Plebeians for that “hard” work. Oh, to be a prick among pricks... A thief among thieves... A murderer among murderers... Who are these people? Are they us barring just one blue decision? Or are they the spawn of Lucifer?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:43 | 4727286 Manthong
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Well, you would have a a pretty hard time attributing all the evil they have wrought (intentionally or unintentionally) to Divine Providence.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:25 | 4727019 new game
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only logic is bullies know not their limits until smacked a good one from a weakling understood as owned...

haterd has no rules or boundries, and i know not which nation will strike, but plenty hate us...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:47 | 4727063 TruthInSunshine
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The neocons AND libtards (both under the control of the banking-military-financial complex) want desperately to send in the liver-eaters (trained by alCIAda) that they deployed in Syria, Libya, and Egypt; they want to ensure they successfully provoke a full'scale military response by Putin as a pretext to ratchet up the conflict.

And a friendly reminder about Victoria "Nuland":

Victoria Nuland is the daughter of Yale bioethics and medicine professor Sherwin B. Nuland, whose original surname was ***Nudelman***. Victoria’s paternal grandfather was Meyer Nudelman from a family of Jewish immigrants who came to New York City from Russia.  --married to Robert Kagan, whose father established PNAC (of "New Pearl Harbor" fame before 9/11), and related to Elena Kagan, former SCOTUS nominee - see how the web is interwoven?
Nuland -- > Is Elena Kagan Related to PNAC Founder and Neocon Extremist Donald Kagan?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:04 | 4726308 McMolotov
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Of course, we all know the United States would view things differently if Russia were sending "advisors" halfway around the world to help orchestrate a coup in Mexico. Right? I mean, it's not even a question.

The US has outsourced much of its manufacturing, but it's still the world's leading producer of bullshit and hypocrisy.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:31 | 4726370 0b1knob
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Replace "Mexico" with "Cuba" and your argument kind of collapses doesn't it?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:50 | 4726404 Global Hunter
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cuba is a small poor island, mexico borders the usa it seems a very good analogy imo

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:37 | 4727460 SimplePrinciple
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Ob1knob, can you say:

Cuban Missile Crisis?

Bay of Pigs?

Obgoing sanctions?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:22 | 4727348 Lore
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I wish America would stop sending its advisors around the rest of the world.  Some of them are needed at home.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:45 | 4726808 Aussie V
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Watch this Knob, then report back and we'll see if you can gain 1 positive point!

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 05:44 | 4727635 FreedomGuy
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You make a good point, ob1. While everyone is in a hurry to jump on the USA is bad and behind all bad things conspiracy, let's be just a tad logical. If someone supported a free and independent state of Ukraine but did not want to intervene directly what type of advisors would you send?

What sort of advice and support do you suppose the Russian commies are sending. You think they are sending spiritual advisers? Maybe they are giving retirement planning advice!

If you were rational you would send both military and intelligence advisers to assist Ukraine. You would help them organize some sort of counter operations. Sending anything else or meals on wheels is a waste of time. Putin is KGB. He is playing for keeps. Do you think a former KGB officer is standing back and just observing?

I am no fan of Obama and I hate the security state but this to me is a fairly rational intervention. I am even less a dan of Putin and I do not want to see him succeed.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:45 | 4725999 remain calm
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Can we pass a law that when we start a war the presidemts children have to move to the war stricken countand help th all the fuck up mangled bodies. Maybe his own kids telling their dad to stop this useless killing will resonate. Nah what was I thinking he don't give a shit, besides he is not even the one instigating the damn thing. Its the fuking bankers and milatary complex.  Fuck ehat was I tnking let me go back to watching NBA baskeball

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:46 | 4726001 YBNguy
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Peace Prize Prez strikes again! I wonder if anyone brought that joke of an award up during his "roast" at last nights dinner.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:23 | 4726098 icanhasbailout
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At this point I get to brag about calling it right all along:


*takes kitty bow*

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:58 | 4726181 thecoloredsky
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well written article

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:13 | 4726336 shovelhead
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Quite a succinct analysis for a cat.

My dog is jealous. He only gets editorial duties between naps.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:59 | 4726555 Atomizer
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Thanks. You made my day.. Sitting in LAX. Surrounded by libtards. One more connection flight to Palm Springs..I swear on my mom's grave, these people are beyond retarded 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:31 | 4727032 new game
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i concur-recent trips totalling 6 k miles and i observed the same...

nation of lost souls with no purpose except some bling...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:37 | 4726630 New_Meat
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bragging is for pussies

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:40 | 4726632 icanhasbailout
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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:42 | 4727153 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL you two cats...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:32 | 4726497 g'kar
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Overthrowing governments isn't unusual for our beloved dicktator. He overthrew the US Government with ease.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:10 | 4726451 lotsoffun
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nba.  boogies.  n*ggers.  so sorry.  stupidity.  truth.


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:16 | 4726730 Berspankme
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Is that Donald Sterling dude playing today? I don't follow basketball

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:27 | 4727362 MFL8240
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The US has not won a war since the second world war and we are ADVISING them?  Is this a fucking joke?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:47 | 4726004 Oh regional Indian
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Faacinating that Germany is a pivot in the emerging scenario once again. Key pivot.

France meanwhile is busy trying to sign deals to keep itself solvent (again a repeat), the UK is a lame duck with war happy leadership, no churchillian figure yet, Farage?

Ahhhh... the EU hit by the Farage Barrage...

And It is, once again....Orthodox, Protestants, American Style Revival Born Againism, Catholics, Muslims....

Ranging up against the godless communists...while fighting each other ont he side for the sake of "Munition and human fodder consumption"...

What a joke...axis, allies, fronts, third front, eastern front....blah blah blah....



Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:10 | 4726325 Lore
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I was thinking that Farage has been quiet lately, but as usual it's a matter of digging through media fog.  It appears that attempts are being made to hijack and discredit UKIP, much like we saw with the usurpation of "Tea Party." 

Nigel Farage pledges to reverse 'racist party' view (Telegraph, 4-May)

Nigel Farage Hit With An Egg By Protester, Goes To Pub To Recover (Huff Post, 1-May)

Nigel Farage: enlargement of EU creates gateway for organised crime (Guardian, 4-May)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:13 | 4726853 Continue With This
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Farage, an ex-banker.

That Farage?

You don't leave The City of London banks and become a voice "for the common man" and live to tell the tale. You get suicided for that.

Farage is just controlled opposition. Just like Chomsky is controlled opposition for the leftists.


God, you people are so gullible. So easy to divide you rednecks from Britain.

Farage is just as Obama. An actor. A puppet in the hands of the real power.

If some bald, lots of tattoos, ex-super-commando-army-soldier comes up, and starts shouting "immigrants this, immigrants that, EU this, EU that" you would vote for him in droves. Only to find out he's just a populist who is controlled by some Army general that wanted to pull a coup and install some nasty fascist regime.


It's so easy today to construct electable politicians these days in the West. It has to be the shallowness and emptiness and the superficiality of the Westerners.

So many decades of advertising, of movies, of cheap "feel-good" propaganda that simply make automatons out of Westerners. 


So many centuries of rationalism and materialism has made Westerners have no inner-intuition, no inner spiritual experience (I'm not talking about gay yogga shit here) that indicates that something is wrong in the Matrix.

It's like, for Westerners life has become a mathematical formula. It's like humans in the West are a system, with certain inputs and predictable outputs.

If you know the correct inputs to feed the automatons called humans in the West, you would get the result you want. If you know their fears.

Better yet, you create their fears.

Life is for Westerners a product that needs to be consumed. Voting is the same shit.

Every Western politician is a product to be consumed by the masses. And every one of them tells the right words (advertising) to target his designated audiences.


For the Muslims in UK, you create this George Galloway actor.

For the "shitty-sexual-life-single-women" out there, you create this Clinton/Blair actors.

For the "I-hate-everyone-who-is-not-part-of-my-tribe" you create this Farage guy, who knows that all problems the UK has, could be solved if "just there were no immigration".

For the blacks-gays-lesbians-marxists, you create this Obamao-the-Messiah-in-Chief character.

For the "God-Bless-'Merika-let's-bomb-us-some-brownies-boys" you create this illiterate cowboy Bush character.

For the "stack-gold-bitchezz" you create this old, pensioner, bingo playing Ron Paul character.


God. So many blind and stupid people in the West.

But I admit, had I been born in the West I'd be just like you. 

Maybe you, Westerners, deserve to be obliterated by what's coming.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:15 | 4727227 angel_of_joy
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Max Keiser is an ex banker (or I should say an ex trader) too.

By this logic, there are no more good people in this world, so everything goes.

If I were Farage, I'd feel terribly insulted to be compared by anybody with Obozo...

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 02:13 | 4727546 Mabussur
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Just look at who is financing UKIP...

Channeling people's anger is the name of the Farage game.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:12 | 4727434 Lore
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Re: "So easy to divide you rednecks from Britain."

I'm not Brightish, but I agree with your assessment. I'm reminded of something a relative said when I started to describe a very serious matter a few years ago:  "Don't tell me; I might not sleep tonight." Check my previous posts, and you see that I agree with you: escapism and avoidance of consequences is the dominant theme of western culture and policy, domestic and foreign. It is hard to sympathise with those who refuse -- actively, vehemently refuse -- to seek truth. 

To be fair and (I think) realistic, Farage may be controlled opposition, but he is at least opposition.  When political winds blow with sufficient strength, he and others like him offer points of stability for otherwise devastating forces.  Ron Paul's great flaw was being born too soon.

I believe it would be naive to presume that obliteration is a prospect faced only by westerners.  From what I gather, the people behind current events are pathological control freaks.  They don't share, and left unchecked, their published goal is to thin the world population.  Regards

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:41 | 4726636 New_Meat
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ORI, you of all of us ought to grok the geopoliical imperatives.  You've alluded to them in various forms over the years.

- Ned

{or was it your time in Troy that has fuzzed up the anaylsys???}

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:34 | 4727378 Oh regional Indian
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We all do Ned, but it is still rather shocking to watch it all un-fold in real time.

It is so literal and


From Troy: The Home of Uncle Sam (Check it out) ;-)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:41 | 4725991 zerozulu
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It is unfortunate but NATO needed another project to justify their existence.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:43 | 4726641 New_Meat
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Pray, but, what, exactly, is NATO?

This is an alternative and less strong question as: "How many Divisions does the Pope have?"

- Ned

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:29 | 4726114 Snidley Whipsnae
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DCRB... "Exhibit Two: FBI mission-creep"

The last few administrations and their string pullers have abandoned all rule of law and are making up the 'new rules' as they go. 

If people don't get it by now then they never will. Bush Jr said 'we will act and while people are considering what we did we will act again, and again, etc'... He was not kidding. Once one reads the PNAC it is all perfectly clear what is happening and what is going to happen. Hitler wrote 'Mein Kamph' and the neo cons wrote the PNAC and both documents set down exactly what is coming.

People ignored Hitlers book and are ignoring PNAC. Either the people do not want to know what is coming or they are too damn dumb to read and comprehend.

Even if they do comprehend what can be done by people that are having a tough time keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table? Are they supposed to protest and be thrown in jail indefinitely without access to a lawyer?

Once a country goes down the path of imperalism it's almost impossible to turn back. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:03 | 4726254 DoChenRollingBearing
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And that's why I think it is up to each of us, most of us cowardly (myself included), to do what we can for ourselves and our families.

Resistance is not necessarily futile, small resistance by many of us will help, and will lessen the risks of jail-time or drone-stricken.  How?

-- Buy gold, and even some Bitcoin if so inclined (me)

-- pull money out of the banks

-- If you can, FIGHT things like red-light-cameras (doing it now)

-- beef up home and family security

-- prepare...

-- and, most significantly, get spiritually prepared.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:44 | 4726520 bruce1337
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Even more important: establish local networks of like-minded individuals. The challenge is not in preparing for a Zombie apocalypse, it's in creating a new political paradigm beyond conventional, centralized party politics -- which had better be decentralistic if it's supposed to perform better than the current collectivist clusterfuck.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 01:03 | 4727492 trader1
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think: centralized decentralization.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 20:44 | 4738049 Papasmurf
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Once the US installs a central bank there, everything there will be hunky dorey.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:20 | 4726088 TheReplacement
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As long as Ukraine ends up paying for the help, I have no problem with loaning out some FBI agents to help them fight organized crime.  It's a pity they won't be focused on the new organized crime that is moving into the country (bankers).

In a different world, CIA presence could be a good thing.  Unfortunately it seems that in this world the CIA is just evil.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:31 | 4726496 Ying-Yang
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You didn't use your Proxy /sarc

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:06 | 4726843 BlindMonkey
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Dude, "I'm from the CIA an I am here to help." Just doesn't cut it. Who needs friends like that?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:46 | 4726155 kchrisc
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The FBI is the DC US' Stasi/Gestapo.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:35 | 4725970 Sudden Debt
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I was in Berlin this weekend with the family, it was a 6 hour drive from my home.
And while we don't give it any real thought about the Ukraine war, in Germany it's a war much closer to home and suddenly you start to realize how fast it could move our way. Just 6 more hours driving and you're almost there.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:45 | 4726262 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sudden Debt

Great perspective, thanks!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:26 | 4727247 palmereldritch
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Reminds me of a TV advert from a few years ago

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:36 | 4726360 Kirk2NCC1701
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IMO, WW3 was triggered on Nov.22.2013 (50 years after another trigger event in Dallas), when the Ukrainian President Yanukovych rejected the EU deal and accepted the Russian deal.  See [1] for details.

After that, the US and its EU/ECB proxy were in a “forced move” in global chess: If they did not act immediately, the USD hegemony would end if the EU were to realign with Asia -->  EurAsia.  And that would also sideline the dominance of the Anglo-American Axis (AAA) of power.

If Ukraine were to become part of the Asian sphere, then the EU is automatically tied to Asia via Russia, not via the ME.  We all know that in the latter case (EU tie to Asia via the ME), the AAA can pull the strings and run the show.  And if the ME oil powers are outflanked by Russia, then they would be forced to stop using the USD as the sole currency.

This is why the US has also warned Russia and Iran against barter arrangements for oil [2], and why it is trying to front-run the Russia-China energy deal [3]




Don’t forget:  These days, as Germany goes, so goes the EU.  Which is why both Russia and the AAA are lobbying Germany.  The US (Obama = sock puppet of Banking-Energy-MIC Neocons) is squeezing Merkel every way they can, while Russia can only appeal to German Reason and Common Sense, i.e. to lead the EU into a freer and more prosperous alliance with Asia.

And if Germany were to do the rational thing and lead the Eurasian realignment, this relegates Britannia (London) to a lesser/minor banking capital.  Not acceptable to the Rothschilds.  W/o London, the UK becomes just another Middle Power – at best.  London would rather have a weak EU due to a mushrooming EU bureaucracy in Brussels and Mediterranean lethargy, than a German-paced engine of economic efficiency.  Games within games.

Bottom line: The Petro-Dollar and its Oligarch owners (inside and outside the US) are fighting for their wealth, power and influence, to prevent or delay the demise of King Petro-Dollar as the GRC (Global Reserve Currency).  Ukraine is the pivotal player for all sides. 

At the Geo-strategic level, Nov. 22 2013 was the “Sarajevo” moment of 1914, although its mass-media counterpart still awaits us in 2014.  Wait for some prominent US or EU politician to get whacked and some Russian to get blamed, the way Oswald was blamed.  False-flag countdown is ON.


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:37 | 4726500 hedgeless_horseman
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I won't predict that WWIII is the outcome, but the rest of what you wrote gets a +$1 from me.

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:17 | 4726735 PeakOil
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Concur. Cui bono - follow the money.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:46 | 4727288 palmereldritch
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Time for the collapsing Ponzi to find a villain to blame other than the criminal architects responsible.

Cue: Putin and the new Russian menace. Kinda like AlQ with ICBMs!! Thank God that police state is rolled out and ready to go!

Oooh...scary enough to keep your eye off the ball for a re-set to the latest version of a truly Global energy unit Ponzi 2.0 that captures and controls all those previous outliers like China, Russia, Iran...(?)

Just another BRIC in the FED/BoE/BIS/MIC wall...

Added bonus: November 22, 2013 = 11+22 = 33,...+20+13 = 33+33

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:52 | 4727409 August
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>>> W/o London, the UK becomes just another Middle Power – at best. 

Without London, the UK is Belgium, at best.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 05:16 | 4727623 janus
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read it and weep, bitchez...

outstanding post, Kirk2n....


this is, at the very least, the death of nato. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:30 | 4725963 tsuki
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I've got to agree.  Frau Merkel is between a rock and a hard place, or in modern terms, saving Deutschebank or German Industry.  It will be interesting to see who has more power in their political arena. 


I think with the report by ARD, and now this, the Industrialists are pulling ahead.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:58 | 4726182 Cryogenic
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Should you not add the outstanding gold from the FED?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:15 | 4726729 tsuki
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Why?  She and Deutschebank know that the gold is gone.  It was widely reported that it was moved into Hong Kong for resmelting.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:38 | 4726380 Kirk2NCC1701
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She's stuck between two hard places indeed:  in a Putin-Obama three-some.  Putin at her front door, Obama...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:41 | 4726509 kchrisc
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No, she's "between a Russia and an Israel place."

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:42 | 4726131 Obamanism
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Interesting points, but also remember in Eastern part of Germany, during socialist times, it was part of the education system to learn Russian. So Frau Merkel speakes better Russian than English.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:07 | 4726968 Continue With This
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Not necessarily.


I'm from Romania.

Russian was mandatory. Everyone was faking "Russian studying". The teachers faked teaching Russian. The students faked learning Russian.

Romanians, even a majority of Communist Party hated the Russians. The Soviets.


My parents have no clue of Russian, though they supposedly studied it for 8 fucking years.

They understand and speak some French (4 years they studied it).

Some that studied English or German, also understand and can manage themselves in these languages.

Russian? Not a yota.


I'm not saying that tovarich Merkel doesn't speak Russian. Maybe.


I'm saying, don't assume that people really studied Russian as if they loved it or as if they saw meaning to it.

Look at it like the case of those North Koreans that seemed to adore their Kim-Jong-Um-whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is soo much and cried like it was the end of the world when he died.

They all faked it.

Eastern Europeans during the communist era definetly faked Russian studying, "we love Russia", "yeayy Communism" etc etc etc..

Don't assume that just someone, that is above 50 years old, that lived in Soviet occupied and imposed regimes, that they really put any effort into learning Russian.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:17 | 4727585 Gideonzsword
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I can't imagine the German School system "faking" anything in its entire history. When it comes to learning thouse Krauts roll hard.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:40 | 4726248 ramacers
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good insight.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:38 | 4725987 booboo
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Right, and the history channel, after playing the nazi and hitler tapes ad nauseum has switched to whipping Stalin (not that this is a bad thing) just curious that the anti soviet frenzy starts now. They must walk a thin line though lest the watcher sit up and declare the obvious in that we have become "THEM"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:22 | 4726091 TheReplacement
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This could backfire.  If they really go all out and expose communism, not just Stalinism, then the charade in the west is exposed.

Too bad nobody who doesn't already know will watch it.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:35 | 4726126 Snidley Whipsnae
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"This could backfire."

Nah, it won't backfire as long as so many are on the dole.

If the dole is cut and they run out of sugar water and potato chips... duck!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:44 | 4726148 ebear
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Turner Classics (Time Warner) ran The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming last night.

That doesn't fit the pattern though, so was it a mistake, a coincidence, or what?

That fiim, at the height of the cold war, changed a lot of hearts and minds towards the Russians.  The question, "why are we fighting them, they're just like us" was on a lot of people's minds back then.  I was just a kid, but the film made such an impression I even painted a red star on the toy submarine I


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:44 | 4726393 Kirk2NCC1701
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And H2 is running the John Wilkes Booth ass-as-i-nation Lincoln.  Coincidence or foreshadowing?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:18 | 4726862 Winston Churchill
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Obozo says he wants to be regarded like Lincoln.
He might want to avoid theatres.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:38 | 4726245 RealityCheque
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Rocky's a whiny bitch.

Ivan's the fucking man.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:09 | 4726327 mt paul
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Reports that "Charlies angels"

have been sited in Odessa


get the cows in the barn

some thing wicked this way comes

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:17 | 4726344 philosophers bone
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"Not a coincidence Rocky IV is on the tube right now."

Yes, there are upsides to all of this.  I'm looking forward to seeing 90 year olds Nikoli Volkoff and one of the versions of the Iron Sheik at the next Wrestlemania smashing Hulk Hogan over the head with their canes and taking at least the Inter-Continental belt.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:22 | 4726752 Chupacabra-322
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@ philosophers,

That is some funny shit right there buddy. Still Jimmy "Super Fly" Snuka, Rocky Johnson, Tony Atlas & Don Meraco are still some of great wrestlers of old.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:08 | 4725894 Kirk2NCC1701
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Make sure you keep your proxy job for your proxy taxes, i.e. pay taxes, so that GE & Friends don't have to.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:12 | 4725912 Serfs Up
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WTF is the FBI doing in Ukraine?

Not enough to do at home?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:19 | 4725926 BurningFuld
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They can actually spy on everyone in the US now from any remote location via their "You no longer have any privacy app"  Available for iphone and Android devices.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:31 | 4725928 ebworthen
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Exactly.  What is the FBI or our money doing in Ukraine!?!?

The U.S. is a Kleptoligarchiofascist Police State completely out of control of it's citizens.

The prime driver of the New Rome seems to be oppressing it's citizens and much of the known world.

The "Evil Empire" is not Russia, it is the U.S.A.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:33 | 4725975 Terminus C
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All empires are evil.  The people of the US are just slow to recognize their imperialism.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:02 | 4726051 pods
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RATM was telling me about the Evil Empire waaaaay back almost 20 years ago. 


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:04 | 4726063 Jreb
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Both Moscow and Washington are full of sociopaths. In exchange we the people all get to pay the price for their greed and arrogance.

Can't understand why the people involved on the ground cannot see that they are being used.

I wonder if the .gov that patrol this site are aware of their part in this little corner of history? I wonder if they have thought about the consequences of their actions as they relate to the wholesale destruction of their own societies?

Do they think that as the world desecends into social and economic chaos - lead by their "leaders" and "bosses" that they and their families will be immune to the fall out? Do they not realize that they are complicit in the story of their own destruction? Are their pay checks worth so much suffering? Do they not realize this is not a game?

Hey asshole (yah - you know who you are) - what would your parents and grand parents say if they really knew what you were up to? Do you think they would approve of your spying, coniving and game playing? Do you think they would be proud to know that you are a part of destroying the fabric of your own society and world? Why do you help these sick people to spread their disease? What's wrong with you? Do you do this for the pension? Is that it? Money? Is it worth it?

This isn't a game .gov. People are suffering. They are dying. And you are the reason why. Without you big .gov and their handlers have no power. You are responsible. This mess is your fault because you have a choice and why you choose to participate for nothing more than a pay check is beyond me. What's wrong with you?



Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:47 | 4726267 J_jade
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About time people are starting to see that all governents are full of shit and not one governemtn is no more or less evil then any other gornerment. No matter where you go in the world it's the same thing. Leaders only care about getting elected and then holding onto power once elected and it comes at the expense of the citizens in whatever area it is.  And it also happens at every level of governemt from small town Mayors to the big city to the federal gov.

And also to say that communism is better then western democracy is also wrong. It's the same thing. And today's communists are the exact same as yesterdays communists. Don't be fooled by what you read on the internet.

As i always say " Same Shit, Different Shovel

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:57 | 4726289 Jreb
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Corruption has become the rule as opposed to an exception to the rule and the rule of law has become the exception. Everywhere. We are truly fucked.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:24 | 4726759 PeakOil
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Corruption was always there, perhaps not as "in your face" though.

Rule of law still applies: one law for the rich and well connected and another law for the peons.

Same as it ever was.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:09 | 4726846 Jreb
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"Corruption was always there, perhaps not as "in your face" though."

Historically accurate and true. However - we, the western middle class (North Americans More so I would guess) -  are simply not used to this level of _blatant_ corruption. Though it has always been there under the surface our oligarchs historically were quieter about it than others. There was always at the very least an underlying sense of fear of what might happen to them should the masses catch them at their dirty games.

Now corruption is so main stream nobody really questions it anymore and guys like Rob Ford (and thousands of others) achieve something akin to folk hero status.


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:08 | 4726322 DoChenRollingBearing
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No, that is not true.  I myself saw Communism in 1984 in East Germany and Poland.  Trust me (or not), those societies were very repressed, the wrong words (there were informers everywhere, esp. in E Germany) could land you in jail.  Poland, you may recall, rebelled against Communism.  Reagan was a hero to many Polish people then, I heard this with my own ears.

Consider spending some time in a truly repressive place, and you will see for yourself.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:29 | 4726367 Jreb
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DCR - I think the point is that today western "representative democracy" is little more than a different side to the same coin. All forms of government in the 21st century have degenerated into a form corrupt kleptocratic fascist authoritarian criminal syndicate of one type or another. Thus supporting one over the other seems - from current perspective - a little on the hypocritcal side.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 19:57 | 4730243 Milton Waddams
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This, of course, was foreseen. The sheeple unfortunately do not act, until it's too late.

Gaia seeks a reboot and has her agents ruthlessly making it happen. I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 09:19 | 4728020 fairmontobsever
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I concur, gaving also visited Eastern Europe in the 1970s and seen the repression. But let us remember that letting Stalin have control over that area was specifically agreed to by Churchill and Roosevelt for their own reasons at the Yalta and Potsdam Conferences in WWII.

An interesting side note: we knew people in Czechoslovakia and western Ukraine who have always considered themselves of Russian heritage (as in being descendants of the ancient Rus confederations, whetehr in or outside of current Russia) and they were NOT ALLOWED to use Russian in those countries. This is the most direct proof with which i have successfully convinced others that the Communist regime was in fact ANTI-RUSSIAN in its spirit. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:17 | 4726210 Kirk2NCC1701
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Eb, +42 for "Kleptoligarchiofascist" Police State

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:27 | 4726362 shovelhead
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Why FBI?


To make sure the CIA doesn't steal all the good shit and to protect us from pro-Russian separatists at home. It's an educational field trip.

Brighton Beach could go off any minute.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:33 | 4725976 tsuki
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The Federal Bureau of Instigation?  Why it is teaching Ukraine State Security, aka Svoboda, how to inflitrate and instigate unrest in peaceful protester groups.  Can't be having Vegans for Peace groups popping up all over western Ukraine, now can we?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:03 | 4726055 sleigher
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Hopefully this will clear things up a little for you

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:34 | 4726124 Thanatos
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It's not your daddy's FBI anymore..

It's this part of the FBI:

It's not the CIA, it's the Special Activities Division of the CIA:

As to what they are doing... Well, that would be something like this:

And probably knocking down a few HVTs, HVIs and a maybe a few HVPs too... (High Value Prostitutes)

That's just my opinion though.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:33 | 4727037 Flagit
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It's not the CIA, it's the Special Activities Division of the CIA:


Thats just, SAD :(

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:18 | 4726468 stonecoldbrokei...
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Hands on training for what they will soon be doing here.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:19 | 4725910 Quus Ant
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Why?  They would print what they need anyway.  Humans are irrelevant.


We have gone full AI and no one noticed. 

Long live the new flesh. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:50 | 4726013 Oh regional Indian
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I agree.


It is tiem for the butlerian jihaad....or perhaps too late for the collective...


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:04 | 4726058 lakecity55
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Crush the Titans!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:09 | 4726069 Quus Ant
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Put more clearly: we WENT full AI and no one noticed.  Long time passing.

Cronenberg got that right- it's a battle between different software suites.  Religion v0.9.1, Capitalizm v2.2 or Technologic v2.0.2; does it really matter? 

Few dig down to the programming level. 

What is useful is retained, what is deemed useless is not.  Flotsam and Jetsam adrift.  Human wreckage.  and all this leading to.... where?

01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110011 01100101 01101100 01100110

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:28 | 4726110 TheReplacement
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Name a single spiritual religion that says we must obey the man in Washington.  Only non-spiritual religions like statism and progressivism teach that and they are only religions in that you have to believe in something that cannot be proven true.

Leave religion (beliefs about creation and the nature of all things) out of this.  To my knowledge only one "religion" tells its followers to go forth and conquer and we aren't talking about Islam causing any of these problems. 

Human greed for wealth and power are the drivers.  Fighting the means is necessary but of secondary import.  Holding the criminals to the same standards as the rest of us and serving justice are the primary import.  Do that consistently and the other problems will tend to go away and hide.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:01 | 4726130 Quus Ant
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Nope.  Won't leave religion out of it.  Sorry.  The pope was once god on earth- kingmaker, interpreter of the faith, the one who could damn you in this world and the next.  If the church hadn't been smashed against the rock of enlightenment(and conniving kings tired of being controlled) you would still be under their thumb.

Are those beliefs YOURS?  Or were they given to you- by a different culture even! That's like aliens landing and pushing their creation story on us.  C'mon.  A ragtag band of semitic goat herders 10,000(4000) years ago.  Now THAT'S good programming. 


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:23 | 4726224 Reptil
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there's a difference between an individual's spirituality, and organised religion. one is strenght the other is obediance.
agree on something taking over control, some time ago.

the BRSLab neuronal network CCTV analysis thing surprised me. because of the old tech involved.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:54 | 4726401 shovelhead
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The only one true faith.

The Creator who must not be named, only by an acronym. The terrible, vengeful, omniscient and omnipotent being who is know by NSA.

"His drones are mighty and His will is strong. Blessed be those that walk in His righteous and those that fear Him not shall taste his wrath."

Cthulhu: 4-20.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:09 | 4725902 Quus Ant
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Poverty, baby.  Make a political statement and beat the rush. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:18 | 4725924 hot sauce technician
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Of course no surprise. Just like Putin having his goons - I meant anti-terrorist "advisors" - in Syria kindly assisting Assad in slaughtering his own vassals (they're not his "people" as he's part of a tiny almost secretive ethnic minority known as the Allawites). And just like the Israeli Gal Hirsh was "advising" Georgian military when it got bitchslapped by Russia in 2008 (or was it '09?). There's money in "advising" and there's even more money in "advising" successfully. Everybody has their own considerations.

Basically, big politics = big business = big military = big banks. Which came first I don't know, nor is it relevant beause for humanity to be free they all must disintegrate.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:03 | 4726048 lakecity55
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Assad is no doubt knocking off threats to his power base- any dictator does that. He is not a guy to emulate.

He is not killing Christians; the western-backed Salafists are doing that, and more.

Say what you want about Assad, much of it is ugly-- but he maintained a secular state. The Russians are trying to maintain stability, and they are not running away because a long-time ally is in trouble.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:06 | 4726068 intric8
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That is a fucking crock of shit. Not MY tax money, not for THIS bullshit cause and not when it serves the goal of ripping an innocent country to shreds

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:28 | 4726365 CuttingEdge
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Turkey (no doubt directed by the CIA) shoot down a Syrian jet attacking an Al Quaeda base 2 miles over the border...

Just wondering what it feels like for Americans for their tax dollars to be protecting the raghead nutjobs the "war on terror" was primarily directed towards, particularly those who lost family or friends at WTC. I suppose protecting the petrodollar at all costs skews the moral compass of those in charge (about 180 fucking degrees by the look of it).

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:37 | 4727594 hot sauce technician
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But you need cheap raw materials, yes? And markets for dumping USSA goods and services? Your tax money is being very well spent. The dollar will have more customers once the Ukraine is under USSA sphere of influence; another overseas market will be available for absorbing the unpleasant side effects of QE.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:23 | 4726356 Flagit
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Actually, what in the merry-mother-of-fuck is the FBI doing there?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:03 | 4725873 fightthepower
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Why is Vlad such a pussy? Russia is getting steamrolled.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:08 | 4725892 Global Hunter
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The more we steamroll the Russians the more united behind their leader they become...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:16 | 4726084 JimmyRainbow
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well, there were 2 bigger experiments with steamrolling russia in the last few hundred years, all dailed due to "weather".

unforeseeable "weather" conditions. coincidence with todays economy intended

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:36 | 4727457 August
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When your adversary desperately wants you to do something (e.g. cross the Ukraine border in force), be very careful as to whether, how and when you do it.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:14 | 4725916 ArkansasAngie
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No dad gummit.  No.  No.  No.

Stop it already.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:36 | 4726899 tarsubil
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Just wait until they start "advising" us.

"I advise you to get in the boxcar, terrorist traitor."

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 11:56 | 4725849 fudge
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"Advising" Yats the Rat on how to avoid a Russian 'gift'

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:04 | 4725879 Mr Pink
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I love it when people complain about the US being the world's police. When actually we are the world's thieves, drug dealers and murderers

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:08 | 4725896 krispkritter
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What difference at this point does it make!  /s

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:03 | 4726191 uno
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but what about hollywood culture - all the 'quality' movies, 'artist' (miley, modanna, hip-hop, rap) and music videos; US culture - tattoo'ed women, boys/men wearing diaper pants

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:02 | 4726427 shovelhead
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What about them?

Are those people of any use to anybody at all?

Well then, there you have it.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:06 | 4725885 crazzziecanuck
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Quelle surprise!

Not really though.  Only shocked it took so long to confirm what everyone and their dog already knew.  And that's American government direct involvement in Ukraine.

Isn't through "advisors" that Vietnam started?


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:23 | 4725941 Sabibaby
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Great article!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:44 | 4726642 Ying-Yang
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Great read... thank you!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 12:11 | 4725909 Bangin7GramRocks
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Ahem, I believe the proper term is "spreading democracy". Just doin' what Merica does! Stick it's hypocritical fucking nose in the business of sovereign nations. The term "crimes against humanity" enters my mind.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 13:55 | 4726172 silvermail
Sun, 05/04/2014 - 14:24 | 4726225 Dublinmick
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We continually see the perception that the United States is acting independently in all of this as if they have a certain foreign policy. Paul Craig Roberts (former republican hack under ronnie raygun) cannot write and article without throwing in the something along the lines of Washington is doing this or that, yada yada.

Can someone explain to me how this is true when the IMF is the United States Treasury as well as the EU. American social security numbers are issued in London to the American corporation. Alaphabet agencies draw their salaries from the IMF, the IRS collects taxes for the London Crown which is administering the American Corporation on behalf of the crown.

No the man behind the curtain wishes it to appear this is all a United States administered war and the poor Europeans are being dragged along. No doubt when things go wrong, America will take the fall.

Already we see GMO being blocked in Europe but not here the land of amber waves of grain. There is also no fluoride in the Euro water supple. They stopped that after Germany took the fall last time and many of the orginators of this plan came here.


The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

 The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)


Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 42 2.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)


The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914


Even Tony Blair is talking about how the U.K. should mover closer to Russia as they have the same interests in fighting Islamic extremism. (They want to get their gas from Russia) for now anyway.


No undert agenda 21 America is slated to become a wilderness area once again and stop using so many reseources. You are set up to be the fall guys in this one.

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