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Half Of Illinois Wants To Live Elsewhere (But Nevadans Are The Most Anxious To Leave)

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While every state has at least some residents who are looking for greener pastures; as Gallup reports, nowhere is the desire to move more prevalent than in Illinois and Connecticut. In both of these states, about half of residents say that if given the chance to move to a different state, they would like to do so (against an average 33% of all Americans who would prefer to live in another state than their own). The 'greenest pasture' or least disliked, according to Gallup, is Hawaii and Montana (where only 23% would prefer to leave). The biggest factor driving the desire to leave the current state - unsurprisingly - jobs (or business opportunities)... and Nevada residents (thank you Harry Reid) the most anxious to leave in the next 12 months.

Via Gallup,

These findings are from a 50-state Gallup poll, conducted June-December 2013, which includes at least 600 representative interviews with residents aged 18 and older in each state. Gallup measured residents' interest in moving out of state by asking, "Regardless of whether you will move, if you had the opportunity, would you like to move to another state, or would you rather remain in your current state?"

Thirty-three percent of residents want to move to another state, according to the average of the 50 state responses. Seventeen states come close to that 50-state average. Another 16 are above the average range, including three showing an especially high desire to move. In fact, in these three -- Illinois, Connecticut, and Maryland -- roughly as many residents want to leave as want to stay.

At the other end of the spectrum, 17 states are home to a below-average percentage of residents wanting to leave. This includes the previously mentioned six states -- Montana, Hawaii, Maine, Oregon, New Hampshire, and Texas -- where fewer than one in four want to move, the lowest level recorded.

In the same poll, Gallup asked state residents how likely it is they will move in the next 12 months. On average across all 50 states, 6% of state residents say it is extremely or very likely they will move in the next year, 8% say it is somewhat likely, 14% not too likely, and 73% not likely at all.

The combined percentages reporting they are extremely, very, or somewhat likely to move out of state ranges from 8% in Maine, Iowa, and Vermont to 20% in Nevada.

With the biggest motivating factor to leave being work/jobs...

As Gallup concludes,

State leaders have important reasons for wanting to see their state populations grow rather than shrink. A growing population usually means more commerce, more economic vitality, and a bigger tax base to pay for state services. A shrinking population not only hurts government coffers, but can weaken a state politically by virtue of the potential loss of U.S. House members through redistricting every 10 years.

 

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Nevada, Illinois, Maryland, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, and Connecticut all appear particularly vulnerable to losing population in the coming few years: high percentages of their residents say they would leave if they could, and larger-than-average percentages say they are at least somewhat likely to do so in the coming year. At the other end of the spectrum, Texas, Minnesota, and Maine have little to fear. Residents of these states are among the least likely to want to leave and few are planning to leave in the next 12 months.

 

If these states sound familiar to readers of Gallup's previous 50-state poll articles, it's because several of them also appear at the top or bottom of the states for resident satisfaction with state taxes, state government, and overall perceptions of how their state compares to others as a place to live.

 

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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:41 | 4726386 kaiserhoff
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Biggest reason to leave -  Chicaga

Second Biggest  -  East St Louis

Third Biggest  -  Gary  (Indiana, but too close for comfort)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:01 | 4726425 JLee2027
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The liberal shitholes are not doing well in this survey.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:27 | 4726488 giorgioorwell
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Yeah, because conservative shitholes are really thriving these days.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:25 | 4726604 Manthong
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Actually, biggest reason to leave..  taxes

Second biggest..  taxes

Third biggest.. shitty politics and broke state that needs to continually raise taxes and fees.

At least that is why I am bailing.

Chicago, Gary and East St. Louis as an environmental concern are not a problem after you stop going there.

Upon further consideration there is a fourth..  it seems like nobody speaks English around here anymore.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:33 | 4726621 kaiserhoff
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The real estate taxes on an old Mansard Victorian I once owned in east central are exactly ten times what they were when I left, and there are no jobs.  What's not to like?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:48 | 4726932 BlackChicken
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I voted with my feet and left the State of illinois a little over three years ago. It was the best decision I ever made; can't believe I stayed there as long as I did.

Within six months they raised the state income tax, about six months after that they nearly doubled the toll road charges.

Illinois is an open air museum/zoo. I do feel sorry for those still there, but not sorry enough for any regrets...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:02 | 4726962 Stackers
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I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as soon as I could

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:08 | 4726973 Blano
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Same here.  Two years already.  Wished I'd moved here 30 years ago instead of Colorado.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:38 | 4727029 GeorgeHayduke
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Looks like the entire swath of the red state south is in the "I would move if I could" range themselves. I doubt this has much to do with liberal/conservative matters (although I know everything must be seen as such on these message boards.). Weather, weariness with the same old shit, and just a new start in a crappy economy are likely reasons.

Also, many of the states that people want to leave have high populations too. I can't blame anyone for wanting to get away from people...especially if those people are whiny Americans. I can't stand them myself for the most part.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:53 | 4726541 Telemakhos
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I think you've indirectly pegged it: the dissatisfied are in states with the biggest cities, and the satisfied are in more rural areas.  I'd guess that a finer-grained (by county rather than state) survey would reveal that the real distinction between the satisfied and dissatisfied is dependent on the distinction between urban and rural: the urban population is dissatisfied with job prospects, while the rural population isn't facing the same employment problems.  Consider states like Arizona, with cities and desert: they rank high on the "get out of dodge" scale, because there are no jobs left in the cities, and little rural population to balance out the urban complaints.  Ohio comes out oddly well, though, given that they're an urbanized, rust-belt area.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:45 | 4726391 Xibalba
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Canada, bitch! 

Or there's always Uruguay 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:47 | 4726396 kchrisc
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"and Nevada residents (thank you Harry Reid) the most anxious to leave in the next 12 months."

I would bet that if one removed Las Vegas from the data, this would drop precipitously.

Harry Reid does not concern real Nevadans.

 

"Have guns, will stay."

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:39 | 4726510 toady
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Leaving Las Vegas.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:41 | 4726635 VegasBob
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I escaped from Vegas in 2006.  I sometimes feel sorry for the poor folks that bought my condo, but I'm not giving them a refund!  And when I get wistful about Las Vegas, I think about the horror that is North Las Vegas and the Democratic version of Joseph McCarthy, aka Harry "Scary" Reid.  Those are 2 good reasons to stay away.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:23 | 4726754 Theosebes Goodfellow
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The really funny thing here is that to lots of Californians, Nevada looks appealing, (though maybe not Clark County).

The second thing that is probably a laugher is that most Californians who want to leave... have. The exodus continues. Of course, the influx from across the border continues unabated as well.

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:58 | 4727489 drendebe10
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The corrupt old loudmouth fossil needs its skin sandpapered off tgem buried in salt.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:31 | 4727035 nevadan
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Absolutely right kchrisc.  There is Clark county.  And then there is the rest of Nevada,

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:47 | 4726399 LetThemEatRand
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The bars are always greener in the other prison block.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:30 | 4727030 A Nanny Moose
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Trading one cage at the zoo, for another. All the cool parties are in the Monkeys' cage.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:48 | 4726400 greatbeard
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Hell, I want to leave where-ever I'm at.  Hitch itch.  I'm ready to hit the road again.  I miss the wondering, aimless, lifestyle.  Fuck armageddon.  I'm going to R&R the old truck, pick up another fifth wheel, solar it up and head out.  This shit show don't need me worrying about it to keep going.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:19 | 4726583 New World Chaos
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The best times of my life were when I was rolling around the West in a pickup.  Didn't even need a trailer.  Fuck the hamster wheel and the deranged cubicle monkeys and control freaks it empowers.  You will also miss the first roundup of dissidents.  You can find a few tips on the lifestyle in these threads:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/if-you-are-considering-buying-h...

(search for Drifter in the thread above)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/where-homeless-are-and-are-not

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:50 | 4727071 mrpxsytin
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Get yourself to Western Australia. We have plenty of work for hard-working people. We need free thinking people with strong work ethics. Hope to see you soon! 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:28 | 4727257 aardvarkk
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Australia has appealed to me from time to time, but I'll never even GO anywhere, much less LIVE anywhere, where they don't allow regular people to carry firearms.  It's not even so much a political thing as a philosophical thing for me.  Guns are power, and I want my share.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:50 | 4726403 Babaloo
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Harry Reid? Really? What dumb ass wrote that?

Nevada, home of no state income tax? And people want to leave? What about those bastions of low taxes, Louisiana and Mississippi ? Why would anybody want to leave those conservative paradises ?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:02 | 4726428 Tulpa
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MS and LA were shitholes long before they became red states; most of NV's population is dependent on tourism and that's dried up in the past few years.  Whereas NY, MD, CT, RI, MA, NJ, and CA are naturally blessed by geography and should be blowing the rest of the nation out of the water economically.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:00 | 4726560 Fedaykinx
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dunno about MS but funny thing about LA, it may vote for republican presidents but internally there are still lots and lots of democrats holding state/local office

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:47 | 4727598 fockewulf190
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It's expensive as hell living on Long Island. Taxes are crazy! My parents pay over 10 grand a year in property taxes for a normal sized house in Nassau County. Unless your highly educated with a six figure job, come from old money, or live with Mom and Dad, your not finding life easy here. Many young people have been forced to leave.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 11:35 | 4728482 redd_green
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Dude.  MS and LA were always Red states.  Civil war?  Emancipation?   Those ring any bells?

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:51 | 4726658 VegasBob
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Taxes are higher in Louisiana and Mississippi than most people think.  Only the property taxes on real estate are low.  Both states have income taxes.  The 7% Mississippi sales tax applies to food, and Mississippi has annual property taxes on cars.  The 4% Louisiana sales tax sounds low, but local sales taxes can be as high as 7%, for a total sales tax of 11%.  And most of the local sales taxes in Louisiana apply to food.

Those are some good financial reasons to exit the conservative paradises of Louisiana and Mississipi.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:31 | 4727265 aardvarkk
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One of the differences between "liberals" and "conservatives" is that most "conservatives" understand that where there are people, there can be no paradise.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:50 | 4726405 Devotional
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to the moon!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 15:59 | 4726420 Uber Vandal
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Instead of the signs proclaiming "Welcome to Illinois", they should read "Welcome to Illinois, F**k You, Pay Me".

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:37 | 4726506 kchrisc
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So true.

Collinsville, IL, is so bad about stealing (tickets, seizures, etc.) from people, that a friend of mine drives out of his way to use I-270 or other to avoid those murderous thieves.

"He likes to joke that, "Illinois will get you, but Collinsville will do you." Or, “I drove through Collinsville, and they got my shirt.”

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:03 | 4726422 Smegley Wanxalot
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They ought to do this but ask if you'd like to leave the USA. 

I know my answer already - I make good money here but I'm taking every penny of it possible out of this fucking tyrannical hellhole eventually, because like fucking hell if I will tolerate the political horseshit and the arrogant civil "servant" overlording that these power-tripping cunts inflict day and night.  And like hell if I will spend it here to feed this rigged economy and empower those assholes further.  Fucking gawdammed liberty-robbing whores.

So would I like to leave my state (TX) for another?  Not particularly ... why bother when it's the entire USA that sucks shit anymore.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:12 | 4726456 Skateboarder
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What difference does it make where you live in the US, when your life is inundated with corporate crap from birth to death? Sure kid, pick a new city, a new box to live in. That Taco Bell on the main road in your old city looks just like the Taco Bell on the main road in your new city. Hey look, the Walmart is there too. So is <national brand name>, <national brand name>, and even <[inter]national brand name>.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:31 | 4727372 james.connolly
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Coldfoot, Alaska comes to my mind, ... there are places that a man can be a man, and never see a taco-bell.

Not far from the Brooks Range, one of the most beautiful & wildest places on earth.

There are places in the 'USA', you just have to leave the lower 48 to find them.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 12:44 | 4728659 de3de8
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Winters too long

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:23 | 4726481 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I live in TX and would not mind leaving the state for another that has mountains like where I am from in the west. On the same token, TX has a lot of things going right for her. To libtards everywhere, "Come and take it!"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:38 | 4726507 greatbeard
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>> To libtards everywhere

I'm probably one of those and I like Texas.  I don't want to take it but I want to go back and do some more exploring.  I want to poke around all the areas famous for the Comanchee wars.  Folks are awfully nice there.  Seems the only Texas pricks I meet are on the internet.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:00 | 4726563 Handful of Dust
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Parts of Tx are nice but other parts are now like "Little LA" due to the mass migration form California -- crime, pollution, traffic congestion and don't forget property taxes that are skyrocketing. My cousin lives outside of Houston and forks out a whopping 3.6% property tax on his ~$525,000 house. Sales tax there is over 8% also. Wages are pretty much stagnant due to the mass influx of labor at all levels from the Mexicans at the hard-working lower end and foreigners [tech] at the upper scale.

I'd choose a State with lower taxes overall and nicer ilder weather. Summers in Tx are brutally Hot!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:29 | 4727136 Tegrat
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Anyone who bought to max out the limits of what they could at the peak of the market and at the peak of their earnings potential - I almost have no sympathy for. Ignoring the ignorance of that purchase, the millage rate would be enough to make me walk.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:28 | 4727366 james.connolly
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Flat, insects, .. muggy hot, ... humid, all the humans live in air conditioning 24/7, barren, ugly, flat ... :(

A famous explorer once said "if there is a hell on earth, it is texas",

So be it with cheap portable energy humans have been able to create an artificial climate in Texas,... have fun while it lasts,

Then there is the BUSH-TRIBE that operates ruling their CIA world from Texas, where there are no rules, where the trillonaires can scorch the earth, think HALLIBURTON and asshole of the earth,

No Zoning, ... anything goes

But who would  want to 'live' there? Hell on earth, .. keep it folks and enjoy HELL for the few nickels they give you to be there.

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:19 | 4727817 zjxn06
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Have lived in the carribbean, middle east, south east asia.  All had their pluses and minuses. Four years in Egypt was probably best. Climate not the reaon.

Prior to overseas, lived in Katy, Tx.  No redeeming value other than zero state income tax and good restaurants.

Now in Colorado. Best of the above but the Californicators have moved in changing the political and word view loandcape for the worst.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:24 | 4727349 james.connolly
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If you an handle the COLD, remote ALASKA is fucking great, and will be free from the CIVIL-WAR coming.

Homer, Valdez, Talkeetnah, ... lots of places near the water south of anchorage warm, ... colder than shit north of fairbanks,...

But at least in Alaska a man can be a man, ... in the lower 48, you can't be a man, ... that's why they only let Pussy Men like Quayle, or Obama be Leaders,...

>>>

If you can't handle the cold then south america, or asia is great, but you got to learn a new fucking language,... Philipines is where a lot of lazy guys go, they speak english, but I don't like it too much western culture having been a spanish/usa colony 500 years.

I myself prefer to be far upriver like the guy in Apocalypse-Now, NO BULLSHIT, and everything is real, ... and everyday your alive.

Far from city's, far from western culture, and living like an animal, I'm happiest living in the bush in a tree, and killing what I eat.

They say that more you keep a man in a cage (house) the more you restrict his travel the dumber he becomes, the more like a slave he thinks.

Go live in the jungle and watch the monkeys, when they're not sleeping or eating they're fucking or getting drunk ( eating fermented fruit ).

Happiness is a warm beautiful woman.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:50 | 4727929 Vooter
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"Far from city's, far from western culture, and living like an animal, I'm happiest living in the bush in a tree, and killing what I eat."

That tree obviously has a pretty good Wi-Fi connection...

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 13:42 | 4728871 DadzMad
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Exactly, parts of AK aren't as bad as everyone thinks.  Talked to my sister in Homer the other day and it was 5 degrees warmer than WI.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:00 | 4726423 Agent P
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A buddy of mine just sold their house in Chicago and are now renting with the idea they will soon be leaving (along with many others) if Quinn wins and taxes go through the roof. It might be time to take a page from his play book.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:01 | 4726424 Duc888
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CT sux ballzac.  I could write a book.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:48 | 4727061 mendolover
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You must be in Fairfield County, because the rest of the state is pretty tolerable except for the psycho pandering politicians.  This state hasn't seen a real statesman in decades.  New Hampshire here I come!

http://freestateproject.org/about/101-reasons-move-new-hampshire

 

 

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:47 | 4727921 DLux
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Cold weather and high property taxes...other than that NH looks good.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:22 | 4726440 giggler321
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Kerry - RT is to blame as they funded the poll so it's simply not true

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:07 | 4726444 ebworthen
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Hell, I want live in another country.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:14 | 4727334 james.connolly
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Then do it,

Shit I love it where I live, I can drive my bike or motorcycle, anytime drunker than shit, every night I go and get drunk with the locals and play my guitar at 5pm, ...

If the cops see me on the street they always call me over and offer 'BAIJIU' ( rice whiskey ), ... all the women and children are beautiful, and nobody has ever seen a fucking 'CAM'.

Eat fruit, veggies, and fish everyday, and live on less than $300/month, fucking HEAVEN.

>>>

I repeat, anybody that stay's in the USA is completely fucking nut's, its like Stockholm Syndrome, your so used to being fucked that you just roll over and wait to be fucked.

You think your free because you can drive to work and make money to pay tax and insurance, .. yep FREE my fucking ASS. You think your free because they let you own a gun, that you don't even know how to use,... yep free my fucking ass.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:10 | 4726447 bugs_
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they will go elsewhere that is better, then they will vote for the same douches and douchery that ruined where they fled from.  thanks in adwance!!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:20 | 4726473 prymythirdeye
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+1  So true!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:40 | 4726512 Surging Chaos
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If you want to see what will happen to states such as Colorado, Texas, and Arizona, just look at Oregon. For decades, Californians have come up I-5 taking their money and politics with them. It's almost a running joke at this point when you see so many CA license plates and inflated home prices around here.

This is exactly why I'm thinking about moving somewhere like Montana. Seems like the last state Californians want to move to when they're all going to CO/TX/AZ.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:07 | 4726577 Handful of Dust
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+100 Surging Chaos. The Austin Chronicle newspaper did a survey of the breakdown of people walking downtown Austin and a whopping 80% were from California! Austin is now called "Little LA" and the funny thing is most of those condos downtown are owned and lived in by Californian folks and even they complained 'the streets are not safe to walk at night' in Austin.

Montana is looking better every day.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:20 | 4726865 Never One Roach
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I saw Austin was on a list of cities where that"Knockout Game" was rampant.

Too bad, used to be a nice relatively quiet college town.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:57 | 4727090 sun tzu
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It was until the Californians moved there and took over.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:09 | 4727326 james.connolly
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Austin ( country-rock ) and Portland (blues, rock ), Seattle still have great music scene's.

I don't think Cali's had anything to do with the music in Austin seems' to be a county-western-punk-lesbian convergence,...

Cali is like Nevada, ... nobody wants to live there, everybody came their for money, and now they don't got any,

Funny that all the places that are loved, are places where the FSA is the majority, and they vote for more tax, ...

It's all a GAME with a short-life, and its not going to end well, the RICH can run, but they can't take their money,... I have to give the KLEPTOCRATIC liberal elite credit, for buy FSA votes, ...

Party on GARTH

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 12:01 | 4728543 IrritableBowels
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Californians and Washingtonians are already spilling into Montana in DROVES. One just got waxed trying to rob an elderly man in the middle of the night.  Addition by subtraction.

Maybe he was unaware of the castle doctrine...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:47 | 4726530 metastar
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Not entirely true. I want to leave the hell that is New York due to the tyranny of the state. These scum have no respect for the rule of law. They endlessly seek to manipulate and control the individual while letting the Wall Street scum walk free.

You can be sure that wherever I go I will take the ideals of liberty and freedom with me. And, there are many like me trapped in this nightmare who would love to get the hell out and take their prosperity with them.

I gave you a +1 as most New Yorkers are clueless. I hear what you are saying.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 01:08 | 4727498 drendebe10
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Sean Hannity on record for lraving New Yawk asap.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:26 | 4726453 CaptainSpaulding
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Maine is a beautiful state to do the Jeremiah Johnson thing. Im sure there are lots of bear beaver and other critters up there. It's a beautiful state. I can hear the song in my head.

 "Jeremiah Johnson made his way into the mountains
Bettin’ on forgettin’ all  the troubles that he knew
The trail was wide and narrow
And the eagle  or the sparrow
Showed the path he was to follow as they flew.
A  mountain man’s a lonely man
And he leaves a life behind
It ought to  have been different, but oftimes you will find,
That the story doesn’t  always go that way you had in mind.
Jeremiah’s story was that kind. . .
Jeremiah’s story was that kind.....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:50 | 4726526 Nom de Guerre
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Maine is beautiful, but has become overrun with the parasite class looking for the easy hand out. And there is no end to the number of enablers within the state govt who are willing to give it to them. It is extraordinarily easy to get everything paid for upon moving there. It's absolutely nauseating.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:29 | 4726887 don in maine
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No, No, Maine is horrible. Stay very far away. Don't even think about it !!

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:45 | 4727908 Vooter
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Yeah, exactly! :-)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:15 | 4726461 rtalcott
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I'm thinking Cuba sounds good. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:58 | 4727093 sun tzu
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Why Cuba when you have California, NY, Illinoins, Maryland etc?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:21 | 4726476 Lone_Star
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All I know is I'd sure as hell want to leave any of the other states as quickly as possible and get to TX if I didn't already live here.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:27 | 4726487 SilverIsMoney
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The most libertarian states are the lightest shades...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:46 | 4726527 Surging Chaos
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Oregon is not a libertarian state. Far from it. We have the most draconian environmental and land laws in the country. We also have the highest state income tax in the country as well. Our governor passed crony captalist-style tax breaks to keep companies like Nike from moving out of the state.

The politics are also hyper-polarized too. Either you're a hard-core statist liberal that lives in Portland or Eugene or a hard-core statist neocon that lives in the rural areas of the state. I might be one of the 5 libertarians living here. Ha. ;)

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:57 | 4726680 VegasBob
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Yup! I'm across the river in Vancouver, WA.  WA isn't that much better, but at least we don't have that horrid income tax!  And you forgot to mention that $35 a year "Arts Income Tax" that passed in Portland.  What a nuisance!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:21 | 4727012 Woodyg
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Montana and Oregon don't have a Sales Tax - cause with a sales tax they can simply soak low wage people even more - and then they always add income and property taxes too
And if people exclaim Rah rah Dims or rah rah rethugs I say morons - sorry but both parties are completely bought and paid for -

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:28 | 4726489 SilverIsMoney
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And as someone who lives in Chicago, yes, I do think about moving every day. But Indiana or Wisconsin is a hell of a commute into the city...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:29 | 4726493 mrdenis
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If politicians get wind of this they'll try to put a lein on your income for years after you DO move 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:29 | 4726494 NOZZLE
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Illinois sucks, highest property, sales, utility, gas, income taxes for what, to support legions of fucking public workers and welfare bums.  I got what I need from decades of hard work and im liquidating and leaving for the West Coast of Florida or Serbia or both.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:33 | 4726499 giorgioorwell
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Another meaningless survey and even more meaningless analysis following....these are almost entirely people that would move if a better job/opportunity came along, nothing to do with that particular state's politics, gun ownership stance, or political party of it's senators.  (Harry Reid has nothing to do with Nevada's crappiness, and Nevada is supposedly a conservative state tax/regulation wise)

If we're going to play this fake conservative/liberal game, if someone in conservative Arizona or Missisippi was offered a good job in liberal California, I'm pretty damn sure they would take it.  

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:48 | 4726531 toady
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Yep. It's all about the money. If you have a good job these days it's better to keep it and live in a hellhole than give it up for greener pastures.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:52 | 4726537 TrustbutVerify
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Giorg...only if the job would still there once they arrived.  

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:18 | 4726600 TammanyBrawl
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Having lived in both liberal and democratic states, I have to say that money is just one factor in the decision to stay or go. I have a better standard of living in a 'conservative' state with less salary than I did in New York making mid-6 figures.  

The bullshit that comes along with living in a 'liberal' state (government dictating what you can/can't do, high taxes, poor services, lack of property rights) can't be remedied with more money. it's just more money for them to tax.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:18 | 4727006 giorgioorwell
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I'm just pointing out that taxes keeps being mentioned as such a key part of the decision, and Nevada has ZERO state taxes and very conservative laws on the books yet it rates as high on this survey for residents wanting to leave.  There are virtually no correlations to be made from this survey that have anything to do with liberal or conservative policies.   Some of these are just shitty states with shitty job opportunties and no amount of political tweaking of tax policy or incentive is going to change that.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 16:49 | 4726532 TrustbutVerify
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Obviously, in those states where people have a high desire to leave - taxes simply are not high enough.  

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:04 | 4726535 g'kar
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As a 30 year desert living Nevadan, I like it here. The corporate casinos that own Hairy Reid and his beloved offspring, bussed and lunched the casino unions and illegals to the polls on the last day when he was down 8 points to win by 4 points. Yet, I still like it here. Property taxes, $270 a year for 2 1/2 acres and no income tax.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:01 | 4726689 VegasBob
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Harry Reid won in 2010 only because his Republican opponent, Sharron Angle, was a total kook.  Any other Republican nominee would have kicked Reid's sorry ass back to the whorehouse in Searchlight, Nevada where he was born.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:54 | 4726923 g'kar
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If only that were true.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:54 | 4727309 are we there yet
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I think Harry Reid's next election will be a problem for him. His image after BLM is toxic.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:03 | 4726569 hognutz
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My Family has been in S.C. for 300 years....yet it is too crowded and turning crapier and crapier everyday.

Wyoming or Montana are looking better and better.....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:06 | 4726575 g'kar
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I thought about moving to Wy or MT, but the cold weather has been giving me pause. Still thinking about it though.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:44 | 4727595 August
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If you stay west of the Divide, Montana isn't excessively cold (sub-zero in the winter of course, but not by all that much, or for all that long).

East of the Divide is where it gets truly serious in the winter.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:00 | 4730877 g'kar
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Thanks for the tip. I've gotten used to being scorched and learned to appreciate the evaporative cooler.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:07 | 4726576 q99x2
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I would like to leave Washington D.C. and I don't even live there.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:08 | 4726579 negative rates
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I need a ride out of vegas, but I can't trust the bus driver.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:14 | 4726590 rtalcott
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A more interesting question would be how many people would leave the US if they could...I'm thinking Cuba myself.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:03 | 4726698 VegasBob
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The day the Castro brothers are gone and relations with the US are normalized is the day we should all head to Havana, without looking back at the pathetic mess the US has become.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:35 | 4727271 Dull Care
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Cuba will be fantastic when the communists are gone. Hopefully Havana will return to being the jewel that it was.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:26 | 4726614 Rising Sun
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I'm breaking into Barry's house in Chicago and going to live there for a while.

 

Barry likes handouts so his mansion looks good from here.

 

Load the fridge up Barry - I'm movin' in you fucking jackass!!!!

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 01:14 | 4727502 drendebe10
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Hope ur ready to pack his fudge...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:30 | 4726618 Stimulati
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So the state with the highest number of residents who want to stay is California, with 2/3's of a current population of $38M, about $25M want to stay.  2nd place is probably Texas with about 3/4's of a current population of $26M, about $21M want to stay.  

Lots of states with a high percentage of stayers because so many people have already left.  I'm not sure that's something to brag about.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 17:57 | 4726681 lolmao500
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These people should stay where the hell they are before infecting other states with their statist bullshit.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:02 | 4726691 yogibear
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People are fleeing from Illinois The problem is that when those taxpyers leave the state will need to increae taxes again to make up for the lost revenue.

Eventully they run out of suckers.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:14 | 4726724 10mm
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Ok. Here's a deal. Make your own I aces. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:17 | 4726734 Everybodys All ...
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What is the common thread? Blue State.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:24 | 4726757 Poqit
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Harry Reid doesn't run Nevada.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:32 | 4726771 GOSPLAN HERO
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Illinois, Maryland, Masshole, New York, and Connecticut all appear to be SOVIET STATES.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 18:42 | 4726799 TrulyStupid
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Thanks for the brilliant analysis. Are you sure you are at the right website?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:55 | 4726946 g'kar
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He/she is short a few states, but on the right track.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:26 | 4726877 skepsis101
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Where do you place the checkmark if you want to leave the country!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:14 | 4726994 Yes_Questions
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recruiting office.

 

be all that you can be!

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:36 | 4726905 christiangustafson
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For God's sake, you flyover mooks, don't move to Washington state.

Escape to Wisconsin instead.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:13 | 4726990 Yes_Questions
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Colorado is ruined.  Noone else need apply.

 

Move along now.  

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:46 | 4727289 are we there yet
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Colorodo is great for pot smoking gay weddings.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:18 | 4727007 DerdyBulls
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Politics aside, Texas is entrepreneurial culturally more so than any other state in the country. Its going to take a long time to dilute this culture if it can be done. If your young, want to work, or want to start a business, Texas is still your best bet hands down. Owners still kill people for trespassing in Texas. Bring on the statists and Calicomies. May they trespass one too many times.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:53 | 4727603 August
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>>>Owners still kill people for trespassing in Texas.

Killing for trespass alone seems a bit excessive to me.  And I'm a reasonable guy.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 17:44 | 4729804 DerdyBulls
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"Killing for trespass alone seems a bit excessive to me."

Naw. Rent controls, now that's extreme. Private property, bitchez.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:10 | 4727109 Tachyon5321
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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:09 | 4727111 Tachyon5321
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25 Years ago, Chicago was a great place to be. Now, taxes are driving 1000's of people and business out of the state.

I'm building a house in Florida was we speak. Before the end of this summer, my business and I will move out of Illinois never to return.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:09 | 4727207 christiangustafson
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Condo-conomy, baby!  

I was born in Rogers Park; every trip home now has fresh horrors and surprises.

Plus, the House of Tiki on 53rd Street is no more.  Why even visit Chicago at all?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:36 | 4727868 DLux
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I'm leaving NY state to build a house in Florida as well. My property taxes will be halved, and no state income tax. Less pollution, and great weather. What's not to like?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:42 | 4727893 Vooter
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Floridians.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 17:50 | 4729865 DerdyBulls
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Not sure about the culture/people. Love the state and homestead laws though. Wonder what happens when the govco checks start bouncing. I know. Never happen.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:17 | 4727123 IridiumRebel
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I moved from Connecticut last year. Eat dicks Connecticut!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:41 | 4727147 Kirk2NCC1701
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IMHO, the key factors are a sum total of Tolerable Climate + Quality of Life + Economy

Under Quality of Life I would include things like Low Crime and access to decent education.

Under Economy I'd include Jobs, low taxation, and affordable housing.

The list makes perfect sense to me, I'm surprised to say.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:42 | 4727284 are we there yet
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I just came back from a convention in Lake Las Vegas Nevada. A luxury, near ghost town. Their population was too low to justify a gambling license outside of Las Vegas. Strange experience. The hotel charged $55 a day for my company to use one electrical plug to attach our convention computers to. A ghost town with high rates. A very pretty gohst town. Strange.

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