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Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:41 | 4726886 prains
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the only thing that matters in Woar is the Oligarchs get their fill of virgin blood

 

they're all blood suckers, that's why we do all the killing and dying and they do all the sucking, if we stop killing each other THEY wither and DIE

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:49 | 4726933 LetThemEatRand
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Can't we just give them blood banks, where they can print as much blood as they want?  Oh, right.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:09 | 4727116 DirtyWilly
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Couldn't you say war is just a gold bubble then?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:45 | 4727160 markmotive
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In a real collapse those with guns and food will own all your gold.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/05/gold-and-financial-preparedness.html

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:00 | 4727193 rsnoble
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Yep.  I already had that figured out a long time ago.  I have my own 'martial' plan in place.  I have a mortal enemy that has cows,goats,horses.  As far as im concerned they're mine and he's just taking care of them till shtf.  No fucking kidding.  It will be interesting as he has the same beliefs and thinks the same about me.  Sounds crazy doesn't it lol.  Trust me.......us rednecks in the woods know exactly what's fucking going on.  Many of them are informed by me as they don't even have the net but trust me anyone that thinks we are insignificant might soon think otherwise we have lots of plans in a disaster scenario and the word of the day is acquisition.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:35 | 4727273 Talleyrand
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You are doomed.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:21 | 4727439 Manthong
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32,000 x 5 x $35.00 = $5.6 million .. Undebased, won’t even buy you a single Abrams tank today ($7.5 million)

That is the dynamism of your Federal Reserve Bank policy.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 09:15 | 4727975 pacrim888
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nn

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:56 | 4727605 August
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Well, he certainly has it comin'.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:08 | 4727320 snr-moment
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So you have a guy across from you who thinks like you and HE is your mortal enemy?

 

Hope you're at LEAST 2 full tanks  of gas from ANY metro area, cause the gang bangers have guns too.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:25 | 4727354 whoisonfirst
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You seem to think we will leave the roads open. There is every reason for the city rats to flee the city and hardly any reason for the people out where the food is being produced to go to the city when the feces hits the rotating device. Invest in shoes.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:53 | 4727480 macholatte
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Once the gangs get mobile you'll have your hands full dealing with real, organized killers who have experience and nothing to lose.  Good luck to you.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 06:12 | 4727652 Doña K
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Invest in lightweight rugged Bicycles with a bike trailer. Very popular with backpackers in Europe lately.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 06:34 | 4727666 Ghordius
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they are very popular because europe has spent a lot of money for bike trails. in fact, we are witnessing a new phenomenon: additionally to the ancient walking trails (lots of money spent there, too) for the various pilgrim routes, "pilgrim" bike tours across the continent

youth, a bike and perhaps a smart phone is now all you need to tour Europe. and if you land at pilgrim centers like Santiago de Compostela, you'll find out that it's a lot of partying going on, there

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:38 | 4727461 Quus Ant
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Here's hoping you shoot each other.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 02:50 | 4727573 The Navigator
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rsnoble

You are a really stupid city punk - you have no idea how good a country boy can shoot.

You will be fertilizer so quick - too bad you didn't think further ahead.

And all it will take is $0.14 in 2 rounds of .22LR

Or maybe 1/2 that.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 07:34 | 4727730 Confused
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I guess at the end, you become the thing you hate. 

 

Robbing and stealing. Why don't you stop posting here and get a .gov job? Sounds like you'd be perfect. 

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 10:07 | 4728196 JeffB
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It seems to me that that may be true for the big boys, but not necessarily the little guys.

Those with the tanks, bombers and warships will likely end up with most of the gold of the little peons & militias I would think.

and those with the biggest armies may take all the gold from those with the less dominating armies.

#winning

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:20 | 4727005 knukles
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The next "growth" industry.
The implications are astounding.
The elderly rich paying for....
And you thought Genocide and Euthanasia were Not Big Business.

IPO anybody? 
Whole New Meanings for "Growth Industry", "New" Business and "New Issue" 

Eddie Bernays is getting a Woodie! 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:41 | 4727042 strannick
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Then that England gold went to the US for American war payments, then the gold went from US vaults in the 60s to supress the price for Bretton Woods, now the gold is going to China to suppress the price...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:50 | 4727069 Hulk
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Good thing we had that "extra" kid !!! Room and board, 60 pints of fresh blood a month !!!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:28 | 4727024 willwork4food
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+10, unfucking believable. Thx for the link.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:36 | 4727043 Uber Vandal
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Elizabeth Bathory is alive and well, just using different methods....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:19 | 4727237 SilverRhino
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Fuck like wealthy bastards need another reason for collecting blood.   

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:17 | 4727000 ILLILLILLI
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I was doing some historical research and found this fascinating article (from a book) written by a Lend-Lease officer during WWII. I know a lot about WWII, but this is the first time I have seen anything related to this particular incident.

This is an easy read...the author just blazes along; the story spills out of him with ease.

I am not going to ruin it for you by revealing too much, but let's just say that American lives were put at stake by the extraordinary circumstances revealed in this article. The author didn't realize the particular significance of what he saw or did at the time, but only became aware of it after the war.

You want to know how the Soviet Union got The Bomb so quickly...? 

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html

This is just one of many sites that have this information...this is the first one that came up on the search. The author went on in the aftermath of WWII to become a nationally-recognized speaker on Soviet espionage. He speaks in less-than-glowing terms about FDR and members of his administration (rightfully so, apparently).

In the "larger picture", this just goes to show how information so significant can become lost over time. It also shows the extent to which a government can become 'infected' with persons who have a separate agenda outside of national policy.

Here is a YouTube (audio) video of a talk that he gave in 1963. Do the reading first, then watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiylpzR60U


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:22 | 4727015 knukles
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A whole crap load of FDR's boys were, in retrospect, real life, not imaginary, full bore, Soviet agents, as in spies and agents provacateurs... 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:57 | 4727080 ILLILLILLI
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That is SO why you HAVE to read the link that I posted. It boggles the mind...

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 03:47 | 4727597 Cap Matifou
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You can say that loud also about the "founders" of the UN.
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know

And the biggest trick of all, behind the pulling strings of the boogieman USSR stood the entire time certain elect NY banksters.

School of Darkness by Bella V. Dodd

"Bella Dodd was circumspect about the people behind the Communist Party. She once was told to phone two multi-millionaires who live in the Waldorf Towers if she lost contact with Moscow."

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:33 | 4727861 Confused
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So really, this is all just further confirmation that nations are really only controlled by powerful money interest that knows no boarders, and pits the common citizens of the world against each other, under the guise of the -ism dejour in a bid to increase their power behind the scenes. 

 

Apparently, in the course of human history, the only thing that has changed, is there are less 'official' kings. But the script remains the same. 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:23 | 4727829 Confused
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Thanks for the links. Very interesting stuff. Much appreciated. 

 

OT: Why did everyone have that Jimmy Stewart voice back then? 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 09:39 | 4728081 Jumbie
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Yep.

Read "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy". More evidence of the farce that is national politics.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:18 | 4727235 Stuck on Zero
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"A rich man's war but a poor man's fight"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:32 | 4726888 news printer
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The Moldovan authorities recommended Dmitry Rogozin to refrain from the visit to Transnistria on victory Day 10:45 2014-05-04

The Moldovan authorities recommended to the Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin to refrain from the visit to Transnistria on victory Day. About it on air of the Romanian edition of the channel ProTV stated the leader of the liberal Democrats, ex-Prime Minister Vladimir Filat.

According to him, the visit to Moldova of the special representative of the President of the Russian Federation on Transnistria, co-Chairman of Moldo-Russian intergovernmental Commission on trade and economic cooperation undesirable.

"We recommended to abstain. But he will come. Last year he was in Chisinau and Tiraspol, was able to visit two places at once", said Filat.

The PLDM leader noted that "may 9 he will try to use to the maximum", but "we are in Chisinau will have the holiday of Day of Europe. 9th of may is the Day of Europe. Someone wants clashes, but we want to help people better understand the events and history".

http://moldnews.md/rus/news/67320

 

I have respect for external advice, and especially threats, but still I'm coming to Transnistria for Victory Day http://t.co/qvPKJdAiXG Wait and see Moldovan Authorities Recommended That Dmitry Rogozin Abstains From Visiting Transnistria On Victory Day

 

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s1kl42

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:40 | 4726914 Carl Popper
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The WW2 parallels are erie.  Russia is going to regain lost glory after a horrible depression.  We should all have plenty of time to head to south america.    No one will believe it is coming not even russian or american government.

 

Obama unleashed a genie in supporting the arab spring

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:45 | 4726925 Infinite QE
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A bit off the topic. I watch NHK TVJapan with my wife. Over the past weeks they've had many specials about Japanese living great lives outside of Japan. In poorer parts of Asia and interestingly South America. Have never seen so many of these programs as NHK is very nationalistic. Seems they are prepping their citizenry for the eventual need to abandon Japan.

Most Americans are hopelessly lost inside a tv-based fog and chanting "we're number one. We're number one"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:50 | 4726939 LetThemEatRand
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"Seems they are prepping their citizenry for the eventual need to abandon Japan."

Interesting take.  Probably dead on.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:56 | 4726947 prains
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...but at least when the planet goes dark we'll have a source of light from the glow of Wapan!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:57 | 4726951 BlindMonkey
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It doesn't matter where they go. The Fukushima disaster will unleash Godzilla and he will hunt them all down in a fit of vengeful Eco-fury.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:09 | 4726972 prains
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it appears Dr. Suzuki is in the house junking any comments about his ancestoral homeland, as a renowned canadian environmentalist he has led the charge against the japo-disinfo machine about Fukushima and the disaster that lurks in our oceans......wait a minute....just in.... this too is all bullshit. FUKU DAVID

 

asleep at the wheel enviro-fraud, milker of cash for consent....your legacy will one day be exposed

f.u.c.k.e.r

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:31 | 4727137 SumTing Wong
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Was the Fukushima mascot, Fukuppy, helping in any of those films?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 01:11 | 4727500 StychoKiller
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"History shows again and again, how Nature points out the folly of men!"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:10 | 4726974 Tao 4 the Show
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More than 120 million people in Japan. Would be interesting logistics trying to move them.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:13 | 4726988 LetThemEatRand
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I have a feeling that if he's right, it wouldn't be quite that many by the time they finally admit to it.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:18 | 4727009 Tao 4 the Show
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Yes, and all this gets so surreal as to be mind blowing. Part of the reason for the divide in awakeness. Typical modern mindset cannot take in tragedies of this magnitude (of which this is only one).

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 06:02 | 4727646 Al Gorerhythm
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Put 'em in a boat. The first Eco-refugees.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:55 | 4727087 Grouchy Marx
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They could enter the US through the southern border and nobody would notice. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:01 | 4727101 ILLILLILLI
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I heard they are building "holiday camps" for them in Nanking...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:04 | 4726967 g'kar
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"Most Americans are hopelessly lost inside a tv-based fog and chanting "we're number one. We're number one"

 

#1=piss

#2=shit

 

I guess they really are asleep.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:45 | 4726989 New World Chaos
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The American documentary channels may be embracing the collapse.  How many shows are there about Alaska, survivalism, gold mining, pawn shops, salvage, moonshine, etc?  The flagship, Doomsday Preppers, got rid of most of the loons after 2012.  Now they're all prepping for economic collapse and subsequent martial law.

Doubt these shows benefit TPTB.  The best I can come up with are hidden messages of "Playing Bear Grylls is easy!  Try this crazy shit and Nature will kill you and save our goons a hollow point" or maybe "Living like an Alaskan is beyond any of you slugs, so don't fall off the treadmill". These ideas aren't worth the risk of giving people other ideas.

Still would have ditched the TV ages ago if not for tenants.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:08 | 4727114 james.connolly
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I think it has more to do with MONEY, Japan is so fucking expensive, and its cold to boot.

Like 100X more expensive than say SE-ASIA, that said I see more CHINESE 'investing'.

Yep, look to the USA, because if your still in the USA that's where its going down and hard, I always say here, that if your still in the USA, your an idiot for not leaving, wehn you could.

Japan has a long way to go before you can call anything there a ghost town, ... the fact is its TOO CROWDED, and thus its good to just leave for that reason.

But the USA, will become a PRISON, and for that reason staying there is INSANE.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:06 | 4727206 rsnoble
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No, people that can afford to leave are insane.  The rest of the poor souls can't even afford to eat properly let alone leave the country and starve to death elsewhere.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:37 | 4727144 JamesBond
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My daughter will be on NHK next week!  Some strange world treasures show...  Still proud of her!

 

 

jb

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 08:34 | 4727863 PT
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Probably hoping to inspire bored retirees ...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:08 | 4726975 Tegrat
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Russia regain lost glory? I cannot remember one great thing Russia has done to categorize it as glory. Not that I'm a history buff or anything - Bolshevik (peasant) revolution of 1917? Stalin killing tens of millions for communism and/or totalitarianism? TZar bomb? Extraordinary high cost of living of Moscow? KGB?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 02:07 | 4727541 SAT 800
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Destroying the Nazi armies; one German at a time ?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:06 | 4726970 news printer
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Archduke Franz Ferdinand Event ?
Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:09 | 4726976 prains
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tour dates please....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:17 | 4727003 news printer
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Russian Victory Day is on 9th of May

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:31 | 4726889 Rakshas
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Excellent ....excellent

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:47 | 4726931 prains
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together is the only way forward, where are those smart enough and energetic enough to shut these fuckers down. we need the iphone generation to wake up and get in the game....i have faith...when they do, we might have a chance. they may seem distracted and empty of vision but lurking undrneath is a cadre of kool mutherfuckers.....have faith, they are there....it won't take many and when they wake up, there will pain you fucking MIC bag licking oligarch fuckers

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:52 | 4726941 g'kar
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Reinstate the draft.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:56 | 4726949 LetThemEatRand
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Prediction:  in a few years, new GI bill.  Sign up for combat, and .gov wipes your student loans.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:58 | 4726952 prains
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Not a Prediction; = f.a.c.t.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:09 | 4727216 Jack's Digestib...
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Love being the bearer of bad news.

 

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/clrp.htm

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 07:46 | 4727748 Confused
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Offices are not eligible. Interesting. Thanks for the link. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:59 | 4726957 g'kar
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Sounds plausible if they can't draft what they need. Maybe that's why they have been setting up the one way borders.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:12 | 4726983 Tegrat
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World gov combat against regular "nationalistic" USA citizens. NWO haters. Those wishing for evils such as freedom and being able to keep their earnings. That's what they will clean your debt for.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:29 | 4727026 Pure Evil
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And, it all goes back to the movie Starship Trooper, where service guarantees citizenship.

But of course, only if you survive the wars.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 09:13 | 4727986 Snidley Whipsnae
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"it all goes back to the movie Starship Trooper, where service guarantees citizenship."

It goes back much further. Rome had the same deal for aliens (those not born Roman) serving in the Roman Legions. After their term of enlistment they were pronounced Roman Citizens and received a parcel of property... and some other bennies but I don't remember all the details.

As Solomon said 'there is nothing new under the sun'... just more recycling of old ideas.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:43 | 4727054 Uchtdorf
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I agree that they'll try that, but it won't be enough. Hence my prediction (actually others have seen it coming too) that friendly guys with powder blue helmets will be invited in to control the masses. West coast, definitely Asian. East coast, definitely many with last names ending in the letter "V". Plan accordingly.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:31 | 4727139 james.connolly
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SKYNET is spending a lot of money on ROBOT's, just like terminator, .... and robocop,

Already the kids flying the drones are burnt out,..

I think in 5-10 years, most of  the MIL will be more automated than now, ... if we assume that BUSH-TRIBE win's the WAR-3, then we assume that FIAT will continue to INFINITY.

That means that SERCO-GROUP ( worlds largest private defense contractor ), and HALIBURTON ( BUSH/CHENEY ), can HIRE the best in the world to do their killing, not unlike PINKERTONS of the 1800's.

>>>

On the other hand the USD/USA implodes and we revert to the DARK-AGES ... well the USA goes FERAL, ....

>>>

Last scenarios is the UN game win's and they break the USA up into ten regions as planned long ago, and yes the bule-helmets will each get a region, and the Irish, Russians, it was all divy'd up years ago. GOOGLE "ROCKEFELLER REGIONALISM", and learn where they are taking you.

>>>

Human rule is TOMORROW is typical of TODAY, so my feeling is that BUSH-TRIBE stays in power, and SKYNET (GOOGLE IS CIA) continues to robotize all the killing the DRONES are 100% self-flying, just like GOOGLE now has AUTO's that are 100% free of human drivers.

It's in our interest that the USA/USD collapse to kill the BEAST, but the USA could very well BUY off the world and perpetuate MURDER, Inc.

It's all a roll of the dice, and there are no "GOOD PEOPLE', or "GOOD TEAM" in power, its a world of assholes fighting for HEGEMONY.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:36 | 4727142 james.connolly
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The US-MIL really likes the current system, they would hate to return to a system where the majority doesn't is want to be there, now the US-MIL can discriminate anybody and everybody.

Drive the economy into the TOILET and people have to choice but to BEG to be part of TEAM-KILL, aka US-MIL.

Today's MIL is loved by the old-skool guys because there are no pussy's that dont' want to be there,

The MIL has voice too,

Long ago you sent people to war to get rid of them, now you just send them to PRISON, they get HIV from being raped and they die,

CAMP FEMA is where all the kids who didn't pay their college loans will go, ... DEAD MEN can't re-pay, ... who cares its all FREE FIAT, to INFINITY.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:56 | 4726950 prains
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is that a Yellgium Beer?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:14 | 4726996 TammanyBrawl
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We are well and truly fucked if we are hoping generation apathy is going to solve the problem.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:35 | 4726894 medium giraffe
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Ask Thyssen AG.  There are fortunes to be made and plenty of cheap labour available.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:58 | 4726953 Its_the_economy...
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suitably sick comment

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:37 | 4726904 cherry picker
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Who gives a damn about stuff like gold when people are dying, getting injured, tortured, imprisoned,  losing homes and scrounging for basics while under the muzzle of a gun?

When war comes to your neighborhood, many will think differently about it than they do now.

Too bad we don't learn from past mistakes, but have to repeat this over and over, till what?  The end?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:50 | 4726938 Pareto
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I totally give a damn!  Because in s world that has gone to shit - where the currency is destroyed - where the financial system has collapsed - the only currency of exchangeable value....repeat THE ONLY CURRENCY OF EXCHANGEABLE VALUE, where i can readily attain shit for the PMs that I have will be the only thing that keeps me and my family around a little longer than those that don't.  This is why I give a damn.  Its about protecting my family with the ability to obtain resources regardless of what the government sanctioned mode of distribution prevails.  Nuff said.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:00 | 4726961 cherry picker
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In all honesty, you will discover that gold is a liability as when someone finds out you have it, they will want it.

My father smuggled potatos from Belgum to Holland during the Second World War.  My parents survived by using their wits.  Lost two uncles in POW camps then, currency nor gold helped them.  The germans extracted teeth from corpses for their gold fillings in the concentration camps.

For the average joe, gold is a liability.  Brains and guts are the only things that may help, with luck and God's smile.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:11 | 4726978 RumCurrency
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Gold can buy you safe passage out of a bad spot.  I work with a woman who escaped the Communist takeover of Vietnam.  She and her siblings were secured safe passage to the US.  The price?  8 ounces of gold per person.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:07 | 4727110 Never One Roach
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"Gold rules," the restaurant owner down the block says. He bought his family's escape out of Cambodia (Pol Pot) to Vietnam...then to China and then onto Canada and then to the USA with his coins of gold. He said no one along the way would take paper of any kind. Fascinating, and instructive, story.

There's a reason history is important. When they say, "History repeats itself," they really mean "Human Nature never changes."

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:21 | 4727127 james.connolly
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Ahh but that is not normality, you met a GUY who had been a puppet to US-EMPIRE who rescued his sorry ass, the GOLD had nothing to do with his survival,

Come post CIVIL-WAR USA, nobody on earth will take AMERICAN's, and there will be nobody to 'lift' your sorry arses out of VIETNAM an to take you to USA or CANADA for re-location.

Gold is GOOD, but get out of the USA NOW with your GOLD and live, but stay in the USA and wait, ... you be fucked, because they will NOT let you out, and nobody will take you.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:15 | 4727228 OceanX
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Do you live in the U.S. ?  The U.S. has a very porous border: Mexico, Cuba, Bahamas and Canada are very accessible.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:42 | 4727283 james.connolly
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I'm fond of ALASKA, but its COLD.

CUBA is not possible even now ... do you really think that CUBA will take USA refugees after what we have done to their refugees? ( drown them by the 1,000's )

Do you really think that CANADA or MEXICO will let starving, fleeing, FSA enter their country's?

Do you really think that you can swim to the BAHAMAS? Do you have a boat? Are you rich? Did you already get your BAHAMA Visa and proof of residence?

>>>

Yes, I left the USA +25 years ago, because in the 1970's I saw it going down, and I never looked back and never regret, I'm happier than a pig in SHIT, not living in the USA.

I know all about the POROUS borders? Do you? Have you hiked anywhere along the CANADIAN border recently? Been to the MEXICAN border, seen the walls? Porous my ass.

My favorite is CANADA they got proximity devices in the forest all along the border, and NPS and FED agents all stop you and say "Where are your papers?", and it don't matter whether your hoofing NORTH or SOUTH. The Canadian Fence is invisible, but it is there, and I have tested it,

>>>

Sure MEXICO is nice, Canada too cold and expensive for my taste I speak spanish, and have lived in Mexico, but you better get your VISA early, and your PROOF OF RESIDENCE, because once the fucking crisis begins, ... nobody will want USA refugees.

CUBA is my favorite that you bring up, I predict they will drown the ALL of you who try to BOAT to CUBA, ...  and the USA will get a taste of their own thuggery.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 09:23 | 4728039 Snidley Whipsnae
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"There's a reason history is important. When they say, "History repeats itself," they really mean "Human Nature never changes."

NOR... I'm so glad that you realize this fact and that you pointed it out. I pound on it a lot but few listen.


Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:10 | 4726980 cristo
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@cheery picker . listen to this old german lady speak about the benefits of having gold and silver in times of war .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlosxAwuQ1Y&feature=share&list=FLAA9Y8XZPKsB6FV5xb9_quw&index=37

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:17 | 4727122 james.connolly
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Gold will buy you the TOWN after the shooting stops, but during the WAR, the GOLD will NOT buy you a sack of potatoes.

In full on war, beans, butter, and bullets have MORE value than GOLD.

A trained man only need the BULLETS then the world is his super-market. That said, are you prepared to MURDER for FOOD? Rape for Sex? ONLY predators live well during a civil war, ... nice guys & gals always get raped and eaten.

>>>

Yep, keep your gold cuz your paper money will have NO value post-war, ... but keep your GOLD hidden, and your MOUTH SHUT, and then when the war is over your GOLD will buy all, if you live.

Through out ALL human history the safest place to be during a civil-war, ... is NOT to be there,

Most civil war's only last <10 years,... just wait it out some place nice, and keep your GOLD well hidden, and then return post civil-war and BUY the town with your GOLD.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:24 | 4727248 RumCurrency
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The thing about gold is that it's still a good thing to own even if the worst case doesn't happen.  I'm not opposed to owning a firearm for personal defense, but if you think that it will turn you into a one-man-army you are sadly mistaken.  If civil order breaks down, there will be a lot of gangs and criminals with guns that will want your food.  Sure you might kill one or two of them, but your stand will be short-lived.  In the worst case, it is still best to own gold and use it to buy your way into a safer country.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:34 | 4727270 james.connolly
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Even better is to leave the CIVIL-WAR country before the shooting starts and price to EXIT goes up, and go relocate in a nice place, and then buy gold and bury it under your ass or where-ever and then wait, for 5-10 post-reconstruction and go back to your home-land and BUY the town, because nobody will have money to buy food, and your foriegn currency will be like GOLD.

The problem for USA refugees will be that every country will have a QUOTA, .. nobody and I mean  NOBODY want's ameriKKKan parasites, and I think CANADA & MEXICO most of all will have to use those walls' that FEMA/DHS built in reverse.

Know your history, Jews who escaped NAZI GERMANY left pre-1938, those that waited got sent to the CAMPS and died.

The USA is going down, most like between now and just a few years after HILLARY-2016 or BUSH-2016 is elected,... the UN-CIVIL WAR is coming.

It's only going to get worse by 2016, if it doens't blow before, we all know that people have never been more pissed off, it will only take a mass genocide at some BUNDY-RANCH where FEMA/FBI/DHS kill 1,000 children and all USA city's will be on fire.

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:55 | 4727481 RumCurrency
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Well I'm not sure that civil war is imminent by any means.  I don't see anything approaching what is happening in Ukraine.  If you are still making a good living in the US, there is no reason to leave anytime soon.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:36 | 4727275 OceanX
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Strong Community ties are your best security...

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:52 | 4727306 james.connolly
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Go Mormon and go early,

Who else has 2 years of food in each house? and community to boot?

NOBODY, ... funny too, that MORMONS make up the majority of CIA/NSA troops ( note not owners, ... but rank & file ), ...

A smart guy might think that should their be a civil-war the mormons could and will most likely come out on top.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:06 | 4726971 lasvegaspersona
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Pareto

calm down...currency collapse happens all the time...only this one will be BIG!!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:21 | 4727011 Pareto
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totally calm friend - but emphasis is sometimes required - and particularly in this case.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:42 | 4726919 Lumberjack
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From about 2 weeks ago:

 

Tusk promotes energy independence plan

http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/34758/

France and Poland put forward a proposal for a European energy community on Thursday, April 24, to counter the dependence of some European countries on Russian gas, reports AFP. French President Francois Hollande and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk made the proposal, against the background of the Ukraine crisis, for discussion at a European summit on energy policy in June.

Hollande said in a joint statement that the purpose was to make "Europe more independent, more coherent, more cooperative in its energy policy." France and Poland were putting forward a plan with six points to convince all members of the European Union to head towards "the European energy community," he said.

Tusk said that the proposal would serve the interests of the entire European Union which, he said was in a "critical situation" in view of the crisis in Ukraine. The European Union could no longer be so dependent on Russian gas, he said.

''The EU has to invest in infrastructure which would connect all of its members to a network of gas pipelines, and also had to push forward with new sources of energy,'' he added.

Tusk raised the possibility of the EU buying liquefied gas from the United States or from Australia, saying steps in these directions should be made as soon as possible. Countries to the south, in the Mediterranean basin could also be important suppliers, he said.

Tusk said that President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy had expressed support for the French-Polish proposal and that experts working for the President of the European Commission were already working on the proposals for the summit in June.

 

 

UPDATE: Published today...

U.S. gas companies could enter Latvia in about two years - Straujuma

http://www.leta.lv/eng/home/important/23A17A5A-8AB6-4C3F-94D1-466C41B60D34/

 

RIGA, May 3 (LETA) - In a conversation with LETA, after returning from her visit to the United States, Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma (Unity) said that U.S. gas companies could enter the Latvian market in about two years.

Straujuma, who had meetings with representatives from U.S. gas companies earlier this week, presented their calculations on investments in Latvia. According to these calculations, the price of U.S. gas is competitive to what Russia is offering.

''Now we must do our homework and decide on our energy independence,'' Straujuma said.

According to her, it could take about two years before a U.S. energy company enters the Latvian market. In order for this to happen, Latvia must solve several technical matters in the ground, like, for example, access to a regional liquefied natural gas terminal.

Straujuma said that U.S. exports of gas to European and NATO countries was one of the main topics discussed during her meeting with U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz in Washington earlier this week.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:42 | 4726921 stant
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Tweet from ww2. " I just got my assignment to the USS Arizona. And we are going to Hawaii man does that rock or what bitchez"

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:50 | 4726935 prains
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...shit man whadya mean there's radio silence WTF!

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:48 | 4726934 TammanyBrawl
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WWWIII tweets from 2014

@PootyPoot- Finally got all our gold back. Time to crash dollar. #masterplan 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 19:51 | 4726940 eddiebe
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In '42 there was no Comex.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:02 | 4726963 jonjon831983
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095259/Treasure-hunter-claims-B...

 

"Mr Brooks said the Port Nicholson was bound for New York with 71 tons of platinum - valued at the time at around $53million - when it was sunk in an attack that left six people dead. 

The platinum was a payment from the Soviet Union to the U.S. for war supplies, Mr Brooks said, adding that the vessel was also carrying gold bullion and diamonds."

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:09 | 4726977 km4
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BBC News - Dien Bien Phu: Did the US offer France an A-bomb? http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27243803

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:14 | 4726993 MaxThrust
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The currency of War, is the lives of young men.

If only we could persude the young men from joining the fight there would be no wars.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:22 | 4727013 TammanyBrawl
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Kumbayah, my lord, Kumbayah.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:45 | 4727056 RumCurrency
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Governments have no problem activating the draft when they have to.  First they will broadcast the necessity of it through all their bought and paid for media outlets.  Anyone who resists the draft will then be labeled a traitor by the mob. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:40 | 4727049 deerhunter
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I have a son in law in the marines and a nephew in the army,.  I give more than an F about their future.  Enough of wars already.  It is time to reclaim our country from the banksters.  It is time for no more taxation without representation.  It is time public employees at all levels are paid commensurate to private industry with likewise no pension plans.  It is time to take America back.  I fear we have gone to far to recouperate.  I think the true sheeple would only bleat at the thought of no more Dancing with the Stars or American Idol.  TV programming is called programming for a reason.  The air waves have taken the place of the circuses and the EBT cards the bread.  It is time America.  Return to prinicple,  return to ethics,  return to the neighborhood and family.  Return to our roots.  It is the common man that built this land.  It is the common man that farms this land.  It is the common man and woman that works in our hospitals and most schools.  Lets return.  Let's do this together.  I hope we have not gone too far.  I care and many still do.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:35 | 4727274 Colonel Klink
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Completely agree, please wake me when even a small step begins.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:48 | 4727297 james.connolly
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Me too,

Here's the DEAL the MIL returns and they make him cop, DHS, or TSA, and he gets a GOLD-PLATED FSA check monthly, and they own his soul.

The GUBMINT employees have been stealing my money all my life, ... we let them get away with it 50+ years, now your going to tell me that your going to teach a shark to quit eating human flesh? Yep, right.

Klink, I think you can agree, the ONLY fucking thing that can fix AMERIKKKA is a complete fucking RESET, only when the CHECK's bounce will the IRS, FBI, DHS ... local cop shop, ... only then will they go home and quit fucking US.

So until the USD destroy's itself, and until the 'MADE MEN" returning from WAR quit getting paid to slap little girls and rape old women, until they go UNPAID, ... not a fucking thing in the USA will change.

 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:40 | 4727282 Pinche Caballero
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I don't fear we have gone too far to recuperate. I do think, though, the new world in which we may find ourselves will be far different than what we have grown accustomed to. I feel these are historic times we are/will be living in.

A series of events may force sudden and dramatic change upon us. I happen to believe the coming change will be due to the current economic model collapsing, and that, for a whole host of reasons. If it does take place, it may get really, really, ugly even within our communities. Time will determine on the flip side how the pieces were put back together. Hopefully there are enough good people waiting in the wings ready and willing to do the work that needs doing..

For now it's a matter of just waiting for the cataclysmic event to occur. I also hope it isn't war, either regional or on a global scale. No one wants to see young people sacrificed needlessly.

Having said as much... Tell me again, what vital national interests are we gearing up to protect in the Ukraine?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 00:51 | 4727476 One of We
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I'm not a farmer but I planted my garden this weekend.  I'm don't fish for a living but I have some fresh fish hanging in my smoker.  I'm not a soldier but I shot 1" groups at 200 yds last weekend.  I am a dad and I went for a walk on the beach with my kids this weekend.....

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 20:56 | 4727088 QQQBall
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What happens when war hits. Obomber will never chip outta his personal bunker; young minorities will be pressed into service via poverty draft and ground up as cannon fodder. Does Ukraine have good golf courses? If not, why bother?

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:44 | 4727159 TammanyBrawl
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Nobody is going to be drafted. Nobody is going to be shipping out. If we have a major powers war, it's going to last about 90 minutes. 

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:35 | 4727102 Pseudonymous
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Then the very next tweet goes as follows:

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/462342197623652352

HMS Edinburgh has been torpedoed by 2 German U-boats- hull blown open, steering crippled. She's fleeing for Murmansk.

Those are the risks of the physical world. You might not be able to complete settlement for quite some time in conditions such as these.

On the other hand, you can get settlement (called "confirmation") within about an hour or so with Bitcoin. You only need basic communications to get the transaction across and into the public ledger (called "blockchain"). Gold has its own place and it is in a militarily tenable location.

Edit: On further research, it turns out that the cargo was not merely delayed in delivery, it was lost. It was more than 39 years before recovery began and in the end 1% was still unaccounted for. Ouch.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:09 | 4727150 i-dog
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“Bitcoin is a company, it has a board of directors, these directors are the mining pool operators, and the governmentt can easily talk to about 5 or 6 people and easily control 51%. Once you can control 51%, you can stop confirming any blocks that don’t follow your rules and therefore you can start blocking transactions."

h/t TradeWithDave ... quoting Daniel Larimer, founder of www.Bitshares.org

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:29 | 4727260 Pseudonymous
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I cannot exclude the possibility that such a 51% attack could be attempted. It could even go on for a while. However, I think it will turn out to be a very quick and very costly and painful lesson of the futility of herding cats for whoever attempts it. It would be a cartel that is particularly untenable, having to fight large growth in processing power and having no way to even locate competitors that don't want to be found somewhere in the dark web. All the while, transactions will still be happening one way or another.

It would be interesting to see how it develops, though.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:16 | 4727120 tempo
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5 tons of paper would have been so easy.  No 5 billion tweets, no 5 billion likes on FB.  Thats  all that count in the new age per Obama.  NOt gold.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:21 | 4727128 Duc888
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Pseudonymous

On the other hand, you can get settlement (called "confirmation") within about an hour or so with Bitcoin. You only need basic communications to get the transaction across and into the public ledger (called "blockchain").

 

 

Yea, 'cause when the big boyz roll out EMP Bitcoin is exactly where ya wanna be.

Pull my finger.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:05 | 4727202 Pseudonymous
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There is a lot of misconception and disinformation about this EMP and Bitcoin argument (I've heard it many times already). Long story short: I'm not worried about it at all.

  • In the real world, people are not very keen on launching a weapon that affects the better part of a continent;
  • A weapon that affects a smaller area would be more realistic to expect, and in any case it is a good idea to avoid potential target areas;
  • The damage EMP weapons can inflict is not as all-encompassing and hard to recover from as is often claimed;
  • EMP cannot actually destroy your bitcoins, it can only prevent you from spending it until you regain access to electricity and basic communication;
Sun, 05/04/2014 - 21:23 | 4727130 Duc888
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Deerhunter:..........."It is the common man that built this land.  It is the common man that farms this land.  It is the common man and woman that works in our hospitals and most schools.  Lets return.  Let's do this together.  I hope we have not gone too far.  I care and many still do."

 

So I guessed you missed the memo. ........"you did't build that".

And that sums it up.  That's what you're dealing with.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:06 | 4727205 Perimetr
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If it is nuclear between the US and Russia, then nothing will matter.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 05:12 | 4727621 CHX
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I tend to agree with that. In a resulting global nuclear winter we'll all die, some slow, some fast, some rich, some poor, some with gold, some without. Let's hope it'll never get to that, let's hope they are not THAT crazy.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:24 | 4727250 BlussMann
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Shame a U Boat didn't get the HMS Edinburg, 5 tons of  gold - a helluva dive trip !

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 22:50 | 4727295 tony wilson
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anthony c sutton old but good video

wall street finance in russia and germany

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVWXmZB1wc

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 23:39 | 4727385 DOGGONE
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PLEASE get your heads out into the light ... Look & see:
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1242076

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 02:54 | 4727576 onelight
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History shows again and again how Nature points out the follies of men..

Godzilla

Blue Oyster Cult

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 05:03 | 4727618 Cumulus Nimbus
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If I remember correctly HMS Edinburgh was sunk by a U boat before it reached the UK. I recall a news story in about 1985 when they found the wreck and recovered the gold. Funny they went to all that trouble for something that is just a relic of bygone age.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 05:09 | 4727620 CHX
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But, but, BS the Bernank swore under oath that gold is NOT money, so how could it be then ever been uses for "payments". It's just all soooo confusing. /sarc

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 07:45 | 4727747 falak pema
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When the HMS looks like the Costa Concordia then we will know for sure we are in war! 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 07:49 | 4727757 vyeung
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GOLD/SILVER = No Counter party risk and no fake promises.

SHTF = NO TRUST IN THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. (Either War or Reset)

Enough said.

All of the zombie's in the Western world still thinks the fiat in their hand is worth something. That belief can vanish in an instant. Diversify people!

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