Are They Lying, Or Just Stupid?

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Submitted by James H. Kunstler via,

It’s not always easy to define what exactly is wrong with America, but what ever it is, it’s huge.

— Roel Ilargi Meijer, The Automatic


Nobody knows, from sea to shining sea, why we’re having all this trouble with our Republic.

— Tom McGuane, Ninety-Two in the Shade

Despite its Valley Girl origins, the simple term clueless turns out to be the most accurate descriptor for America’s degenerate zeitgeist. Nobody gets it — the “it” being a rather hefty bundle of issues ranging from our energy bind to the official mismanagement of money, the manipulation of markets, the crimes in banking, the blundering foreign misadventures, the revolving door corruption in governance, the abandonment of the rule-of-law, the ominous wind-down of the Happy Motoring fiasco and the related tragedy of obsolete suburbia, the contemptuous disregard for the futures of young people, the immersive Kardashian celebrity twerking sleaze, the downward spiral of the floundering classes into pizza and Pepsi induced obesity, methedrine psychosis, and tattooed savagery, and the thick patina of public relations dishonesty that coats all of it like some toxic bacterial overgrowth. The dwindling life of our nation, where anything goes and nothing matters.

It’s not just the individual cluelessness of ordinary people leading lives too frantic for a moment’s reflection about anything, but the appalling institutional cluelessness of enterprises where you’d think combined intellects might tend toward a more faithful view of reality. But these days all we get is a low-order of wishful and clownish group-think, such as this item from today’s New York Times discussing a proposed reversal of Gazprom pipelines along the Ukraine / Slovakian frontier as the solution to the Kiev government’s fuel problem:

Nearly all the gas Washington and Brussels would like to get moving into Ukraine from Europe originally came from Russia, which pumps gas westward across Ukraine, into Slovakia and then on to customers in Germany and elsewhere. Once the gas is sold, however, Gazprom ceases to be its owner and loses its power to set the terms of its sale.

Get that? To avoid depending on Russian gas, they’re going to buy Russian gas from sources other than Russia. What New York Times editor can read this story without spraying her video display with coffee? What genius in John Kerry’s “Haircut-in-Search-of-a-Brain” State Department dreamed up this dodge? Who would think that you could improve a Chinese fire drill by tacking on a Polish blanket trick (i.e. trying to make your blanket longer by cutting a foot from the top and sewing it onto the bottom).

The only conclusion the casual observer can come to is, to put it mildly, these institutions have gone completely meshugga. Since I follow the behavior of these organizations, I know that this is not an isolated example. For the State Department, the entire gambit in Ukraine has been a chain of obvious bungles and miscalculations, starting with our sponsored overthrow of the original elected Kiev government, and the absurd presumption that Russia had no legitimate interest in that region’s stability to the strategy of shoot-yourself-in-the-foot financial sanctions. The New York Times (once America’s “Newspaper of Record”), is now a completely unreliable conduit for un-parsed White House backgrounder propaganda and raw State Department spin, with an overlay of editorial PMS brain fog.

Another humdinger on a somewhat different issue caught my attention the other day in the formerly eminent, now degenerate journal Foreign Affairs (May / June 2014): The United States of Gas, by Robert Hefner III . This idiotic article in the current issue hits on all the usual wishful thinking delusions du jour concerning this country’s energy prospects, namely: due to fracking in shale deposits we’ve entered an energy-and-manufacturing renaissance, we’re soon-to-be the premier energy exporter to the world, and US “consumers” (i.e. citizens) can be assured of driving to WalMart forever — in other words, all economic problems solved. These idiots (editors and fact-checkers included) must get all their information straight out of the Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA) PR handouts. CERA, of course, is the official public relations shop of the oil and gas industry.

It’s one thing that this article is patently misleading. What’s worse is the complete absence of any understanding of the fundamental dynamic between the high cost of unconventional oil and gas and its effect on capital formation. In other words, the capital investment for continued future drilling will simply not exist. What a surprise that will be to the people who run this land.

There comes a point in the destiny of a failing nation when official lying is no longer distinct from official stupidity. We’ve crossed that boundary in the USA. It pays to remember that societies get what they deserve, not what they expect.

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Eyeroller's picture

You can't fix stupid.

PartysOver's picture

No you can't.  But delusional rationaliztion helps.

Headbanger's picture

And stupid is as stupid does

So they must be really stupid liars!

Pladizow's picture

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron." - H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

Anusocracy's picture

The US passed the Idiocracy event horizon in 2008.

ZerOhead's picture

With no more $35 billion Russian discounts to get in the way I guess that Yulia Tymoshenko chick is free to triple the price to her bretheren in the Ukraine again...

Its_the_economy_stupid's picture

"The US passed the Idiocracy event horizon in 2008."

Maybe a bit nearsighted. anyone remember the word "nuculer"

0b1knob's picture

Lying or just stupid?

Classic false dilemma arguement.   They are BOTH lying and stupid.

Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

It is not the American people that are the problem, it is the oligarchical ruling class. They are shoveling this sleaze and general ignorance on us because they are both. Nothing makes someone more stupid than the belief they know everything. Look at our POTUS. 

Monty Burns's picture

Lying or stupid?  I always ask myself that at the end of every Kunstler article.

crazzziecanuck's picture

No, it is everyone. Each and everytime we buy we are encouraging things.  We have to realize that corporations do bad things because everyone makes it profitable for them to do so.

TheReplacement's picture

Well actually, it is the American people who are the problem.  Going back to the beginning the American people have chosen their representatives and leaders.  The American people have chosen what we have today.

junius's picture

actually in 2000  don't you remember Alfred e neuman bush?

Manthong's picture

Are They Lying, Or Just Stupid?


macholatte's picture



Challenge the premise and the mosaic will come into focus.

Hypothesis: “They” really do mean to destroy America.



"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." p.10

-- Saul Alunski


Obama: “We are ..Days Away From Fundamentally Transforming The United States of America”

To “fundamentally transform America” requires that liberty, freedom, our birthrights and our private property are transformed and no longer a fundamental precept of our country.

What exactly does he want to transform us into?

A Marxist state tyranny where Whites, Jews and Christians will be purged and misery is applied equally among the “little people” while the Elites running a politburo are enriched off of our substance.

Totentänzerlied's picture

What "birthright"?

This is the only birthright all natural born American citizens share:

Georgia_Boy's picture

Not stupid and not necessarily lying, so much as method acting.  To make the on-camera delivery convincing, you have to feel what you're saying.  So they work themselves into believing they can spend their way to saving or whatever.  They're hollow shells playing their role to earn and keep their positions.

Husk-Erzulie's picture

I like Kunstler when he gets fired up.

Baldershymn's picture

I love it when cunts become so stupid they believe their own lies..  and I particularly love the next phase when lies demand so much energy to upkeep that rambling, stumbling and fumbling is the only outcome... It´s like they BEG to be exposed because the lies keep them imprisoned.

Cathartes Aura's picture

oh dear.

There comes a point in the destiny of a failing nation when official lying is no longer distinct from official stupidity. We’ve crossed that boundary in the USA.


angry old white dude calls out a boundary crossed.

welcome to a deeper reality *wake up* call.

some passed that imaginary "State" line years ago, but I guess your creature comforts kept you nested just that little bit longer, hmm.

and many are still mired in re-drawing lines of comfort-able-ness, so as to avoid whatever is on its way.

but oh, it's on.  whether you can see it or not, it's ON.

MontgomeryScott's picture

WE tried to call out to those who couldn't listen. We tried to get them to wake up, through our posts and shares of videos. They consciously decided to be wilfully ignorant, and decried us; worshipping the creation, instead of the Creator.

WE reached out, and they rejected the love that WE openly showed them.

They called us 'religious nut-jobs' for pointing out that if the People wouldn't listen, the God that created us all would cause signs to come, and make the very Rocks and Stones cry out, in an attempt to wake the slumbering masses UP.

WE used the tools that the enemy uses, in order to try to shine the light of Life upon the dead. Videos, stories, music, anything at all...

LISTEN to the example herein:

There are SO many other examples, throughout the days and months and years and decades and centuries and AEONS; that it is painful in the extreme to outline; that WE have demonstrated.


WOE, WOE, WOE unto THEM that heard the Word, but refused to LISTEN!

DEATH is ON. It's visiting us now.

OH, it's ON, all right.

MontgomeryScott's picture


Well, you don't get it.

Well, maybe you do, but the Soc's and Vals and Jocks and Dweebs and NERDS 'totally' don't GET IT.

Like, "OhmyGOD! Like, TOTALLY! Like, Encino's SO BITCH-EN'!"

Nicolas fucking Cage HEADLIED in a movie, called 'Valley Girl', back in 1983, you know.

Atlantic Releasing presents:

Randy and Julie, they 'come together'... the WET DREAM of EVERY 'tweenaged girl'...

NOW, I see, Cage is the HEAD-LIER is the death-bringing Hellrider, according to 5-year-old girls that are being preditctively programmed by their parents to worship fucking SATAN by being set down in front of a Blu-ray DVD player and exposed to the 'movies' that their parents 'like to watch'.


O? O, NO!

NO, they were 'Transforming America' so to speak, decades ago! Bear WITNESS as the DEATH of freedom (and responsibility) is heralded, and anything goes, in the NEW AGE of hedonism (a major goal of this Religion; that decries that Anything is Good, and also worships that which states that all is good, and Death brings Heaven).

Archangel (Dark Angel), lend me thy light; To Death's Veil, 'till we have Heaven in sight!

Ahh, (you say); what was all that CRAZY SHIT about the 'Cremation Of Care', that Alex Jones exposed in the 'Bohemian Grove' movie?

'THEY told Me that it was a 'Crazy Conspiracy Theory' by 'Tin-Foil Hat-Wearing Crackpots'; and "Religious Nutters"', you reply to yourself (fully knowing the Truth now, but denying it to your last breath of LIFE; resorting even NOW to lying to yourself about the REALITY; and the MAGNITUDE of the lie).

YEAH, it was THOSE guys, the MARXISTS, what done that...

A ROSE, by any other name, I suppose, would smell as sweet (right before it decays and falls to ashes). A Marxist state tyranny where Whites, Jews and Christians will be purged...

OH. The PUT-UPON 'Whites', 'Christians', and 'Jews', (OH MY)!

I almost forgot about them. Thanks for reminding me, Pastor HAGEE!

DAMN, he's a fat, pork-eating little fucker; A WHITE 'CHRISTIAN' PRICK, who espouses the love of his Zionist (JEWISH) brethren, as well as the idea of 'replacement theology' and 'fly-away' rapture shit while he raises funds from the sheople who willingly give their las dollar to support his style of religious fervor.

If 'Macho-Latte' is simply deluded by his ignorance, press '1'.

If 'Macho-Latte' is a member of a 'totalitarian socialist sleeper cell', press '2'.

If 'Macho-Latte' is stupid enough to think that he isn't serving his Master (the one who is the Prince Of The Power Of The Air), press '3'.

If 'Macho-Latte' is simply a stupid fuck, who is too ignorant to understand that he has been owned by all the propaganda that those who wish to control his Free Will have achieved; as witnessed here by his racial, religious, and pro-Zionist bullshit posting of his HONEST opinion (and deluded one), press '4'.

Thank you for your time. Your opinions (including the one that 'Macho-Latte' gave) are greatly valued.

The 'People Of the Way' like myself, thank you in advance.







Keyser's picture

You have just insulted President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho...

Robsabi's picture

Close. It was actually in 2000. But other than that you've got the right idea.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Yeah, we were very close to putting Al Gore into the white house. Al. Gore.

Socratic Dog's picture

Thank god for election fraud, eh.

And Bush turned out so much better....

You bloody idiot.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

They were both world-class twats. I find it easy to believe that Gore would have been worse.

A Nanny Moose's picture

I would say that the line was crossed when we elected an actor as Prezidentz. Then again, at several junctures in our past, we elected military commanders as Prezidentz.

Nothing good can come from putting individuals in positions of power who are accosumed to;

A) having all then guns

B) issuing orders that everybody around them obeys.

Jumbotron's picture

The US passed the Idiocracy event horizon in 2008.

Nope.....that was 2000.  George W. Bush.  And to make matters could have been Al Gore.  That was a perfect storm of the choices available from the Idiocracy.

And this was the picture that summed up Idiocracy on parade for that election.......

Cathartes Aura's picture

hahhhahahah, thanks for that.

Jumbotron's picture

<chuckle>.....That never fails to get me too.  And then after I've had a good laugh...I pause to think how far we have fallen since that time....and then I get depressed.  But not for long anymore.  I'm moving from the grief stage to the acceptance stage.  Or what I like to call the "Carlin Stage" as expressed here by the man himself.....



Cathartes Aura's picture

ahh yes, I can understand where Carlin was coming from there, blaming "commerce & religion" and ultimately feeling "disappointment & disillusionment". . .

one can only hope he eventually made his way towards the great Bill Hicks' larger perspective.

peace, truly, eh.

newworldorder's picture

Disagree with your time line. It was 1989 - 1990. No evil empire to constrain us, western military reigns supreme in the world and banksters un-leashead to fraud, pillage and plunder with no constraints or fear.

Monty Burns's picture

There always is a 'perfect storm of the choices'.  That's the whole idea. It's risk-free politics, makes no difference who wins. 

IronForge's picture

Foresight in The Marching Morons. 

In our Case, the "Ranks of the Elites" are replaced and/or taken over by many via the means of Treachery, Usury, Thieviry, Debasement, and Debauchery. 


Anusocracy's picture

“Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey-cage.”

? H.L. Mencken

McMolotov's picture

To invoke Hillary, what difference does it make whether it's lying or stupidity? At this point, the end result will be the same — the US will gradually fade into obsolescence.

This country's epitaph should read:

"Here lies America. WTF?"

NoDebt's picture

If it was nothing but stupidity the situation would be self-correcting.  Do you see any signs of this situation self-correcting?  Me neither.  Therefore, more is going on than just that.

insanelysane's picture

The sheeple have been educated to believe they are educated.  Young chick driving a Prius in front of me at a stop light, smoking a butt, and then throwing it out the window but I'm sure she's onboard with saving the planet.

cougar_w's picture

She thinks she is.

That is all that mattered to the marketing team that wanted her to keep doing what they need her to do.

A Nanny Moose's picture

I, naturally have several random brain farts to convey...not necessarily in this order:

A) Thanks to Eddy Bernays, the Suffragettes, and torches of "freedom"

B) Who was responsible for her education?

C) "We're gonna save the fuckin' planet?" -George Carlin


Cathartes Aura's picture

aye, that's a great meme.

here's one for ya, fighter jet pilots dropping bombs on humans for more. . .

jet fuels.


Ignatius's picture

Venal institutional directives and perverse incentives feed the lies.

CheapBastard's picture

Is the Housing Market Filled With Over 1,000 Mini Bubbles?


The housing market is experiencing a case of deja vu. While the economy is still trying to recover from the credit meltdown that took place more than five years ago, home values in more than 1,000 cities and towns are already at or near their bubble-era peaks.


Gee, how did my town miss this ?

Rusty Shorts's picture

Housing market is booming in middle Tennessee...


TheFourthStooge-ing's picture


This country's epitaph should read:

"Here lies America. WTF?"

I would only add a single line to that:

"Here lies America, because here lied America, especially to itself."

dirtscratcher's picture

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken