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Caught On Tape: Ukraine Helicopter Firing Rockets, Shot Down
Just 2 days after the first Ukrainian military helicopter was shot down, Ukraine's defense ministry confirms an Mi-24 chopper was shot down in the eastern region of Donetsk. As the following clip shows, it appears the helicopter came under large-caliber machine gun fire, a flash is seen, and then the chopper falls from view. The Defense Ministry confirms the pilots survived as the chopped crashed into a nearby river. One wonders how many more helicopters (that are in working condition and still have a full gas tank) Kiev, i) has; and ii) can afford to lose to eastern separatists as the Ukraine conflicts becomes an all out civil war?
The chopper hovers for a while then at 24 seconds a flash is seen and it disappears from view...
Here is what may be the same chopper shown earlier, firing rockets, while in the background someone else is also shooting, unclear if at the helicopter.
As Sky reports, a Ukrainian helicopter has been shot down over the pro-Russian stronghold of Slavyansk as fighting there continues to worsen.
Ukraine's defence ministry said the pilots had survived but elsewhere in the east of the country four paramilitary policemen were shot dead in fighting.
A number of other rebels and civilians are also thought to have been killed or injured, according to Sky's Stuart Ramsey, who is in eastern Ukraine.
The helicopter, an Mi-24, came under fire from a heavy machine gun and crashed into a river.
The ministry said in a statement the crew were evacuated to a nearby camp but did not give any detail of their condition.
At least three other helicopters have been shot down by pro-Russian rebels in the violence that is increasing in eastern parts of the country.
Pictures shot by news wires showed pro-Russia rebels carrying rocket launchers and rocket propelled grenades.
And finally, a firefight near Slovyansk resulted in the following gas-pipeline explosion...
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http://journal-neo.org/2014/05/05/the-us-defence-cuts-myth-and-reality/
Summary: There are no cuts, and in the absolute sense the budget will continue to increase. The 'cuts' are merely 'cuts' to future budgets, which of course are larger (not smaller) than the current 'defense' budget! So even including cuts, the total spend will still increase...
Surprised?
Under this plan, the US defence budget would continue to grow in actual terms. Even with the proposed $500 billion reduction, the US, in actuality, would continue to spend more on defence each year in the next decade than it did during the height of the Cold War.
To be fair, the US government is doing everything it can to start a new Cold War. That shit don't come cheap. And anytime the government is asked how much it should spend, the answer is always "Moar!"
the MIC has kids to feed... or something.
Putin is not a multitasker, first Olympics, then Crimea, then 9 May parade, and then only after...
Does no one in Ukraine own a fucking tripod?
just watch " the Blair Witch project"for trainng, then you'll have no problem.
Both choppers sit still in the air a lot.
Inexperienced pilots may do that in a shooting war.
barret 50 cal range.
Almost too easy.
Easy enough, one can still here to choppers rotors as the vid ends. No audible crash or explosion.
MORE BS.
Second video gunshots.... NOPE.
I'd bet a piece of metal siding or roof with a 2' piece of 1"x 4".
Same sound I use to scare crows off of the property.
the MIC has kids to kill
fixed it for ya
the MIC has kids to feed on... or something.
Fixed it for you, slightly different approach.
"US government is doing everything it can to start a new Cold War"
It appears they are not alone in that.. well, minus the 'Cold' part. Economic malaise will turn a cold war hot in a hurry so as to divert the public's attention from the incompetence and larceny of those who lead them.
What kinda tech do you think we really have.....You kinda get it
you spend all that money.....y'all have no Idea
sr-71....what was that 50 years ago....We use our old shit on the wars we wage so far
Time to get out the good stuff....not that I want WAR
Tax payers now need to know
China and Russia.....We are broke....Don't Fuck With Us
They look like a totally different army, they look more like SWAT than like the Ukrainean army. They have the same kind of movement, they look professional, knowing the steps, not paralised like to conscripted Ukrainean soldier.
The very best Blackwater can provide, working hard to secure their tranche of the $17 billion IMF loan.
noticed the sudden change myself. first we had poor ass soldiers, who didnt even have guns or proper gear or anything. then suddenly they have brand new fancy clothes, guns, equipement and so on. and whhere the hell they got a brand new VW AMAROK to drive around???? money money money!!!!! not from ukraine thats for sure!
The Po-Po in Houston has better shit than that /sarc
not really
That's a pretty nice garden. Hedgeless?
Beat me to it.
Not after the CIA's minions roll through.
They just don't make pipe lines like they used too.
If the separatists are firing 12mm (50 cal ) machine guns at the helicopters then it is obvious that Russia is not giving them any significant support.
Forty years ago we had shoulder fired, radar guided, anti aircraft missiles with a max altitude of 8000 feet. I am very surprised to see Ukrianian helicopters flying so low. Clearly, they know that the separatists have no air defense weapons, even old ones. These are both third world level forces engaged at least so far. It is also clear that Russia does not want to take over the support obligation for Ukraine, or any significant portion of its 40 million population or the separatists would be much better equipped.
Sadam showed that helicopters are useless if the enemy has 50 cal weapons and can coordinate their weapon fire.
Where is he? What happened to him? Rounded up for growing his own food and making his own cheese?
Flash crash
Wonder if the pilot had any time in that type...
I think our guys would have been skimming the shrubs so as not to present much of a distance in line of sight.
Thank god for this, if only a couple more could be shot down S&PS will close green for sure!
"One wonders how many more helicopters (that are in working condition and still have a full gas tank) Kiev, i) has; and ii) can afford to lose to eastern separatists as the Ukraine conflicts becomes an all out civil war?" No problem. They can use ours. We have lots.
Nice garden. Were those radishes?
Can someone tell me what large caliber is considered? I was thinking 7.62x54 but maybe that's medium sized.
7.62 x 54 is deer-rifle size - roughly comparable to the 30-06. I'm not sure where the info on the large calibre rifle came from - but it certainly wasn't from that distant video clip.
I wonder if you can take out a helicopter with a $90 Mosin?
Just reach up and stab the pilots, way easier.
pods
Do you know how pygmies kill an elephant?
A bunch of them take their spears, get right under the elephant and jab up.
That‘s how you can do these with a few 7.56’s.
“The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants.”
-Isoroku Yamamoto
As usual, Manthong has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Combat helicopters that have armor, have it on the undersides of the fuselage and cockpit. If one is to knock a helicopter out of the sky with small arms fire, the last place in the world from which one would attempt this is directly underneath, because one would be shooting into the armored parts.
Better to take side shots at the rotor head, tail rotor, and tail rotor boom, which houses the tail rotor drive shafts.
By the way, what's a 7.56? A hybrid cartrige between a 7.62 and a 5.56?
Crash dude..
You can get them from below..
Oops.. some dyslexia there…
I’ve got a grand that says my collection is way bigger than yours.
But I agree, a little angle wouldn't hurt.
Oh.. and a thought experiment..
Go get a Hind driver and ask him.. “Say you are hovering at 100 meters and a half dozen guys below with full auto AK-47’s are emptying a pile of magazines in your specific direction.. Do you feel invulnerable?”
"absolutely no idea what he's talking about." -- you work for the white house?
Nobody hovers at 100 meters/300 feet. You're out of ground effect, out of any terrain cover, and totally vulnerable, not just to enemy small arms fire, but to a bloody engine failure without any hope of a ground settle or an autorotation. That's what a Hind driver would say.
You would know that if you had any idea what you were talking about.
Not an expert on chopper under armor, but I used to sit on my steel pot going in and coming out of an LZ. Did the same on C-128's & 130's.
There was a large formation of US helicopters attacking at night over an urban area in Iraq. This was early in the war and Saddam was able to get the word out that everyone should go up to the roof and fire at the helicopters. I don't think they downed more than a couple, but many were shot up so bad that they were taken out of the campaign for days or weeks.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2003/October%202003/100...
Your local news helicopter? sure.
The Mi-24 is supposed to be resistant to .50 calibre BMG all around, fuselage, cockpit, blades.
Not likely. I can remember working out with the 50 at Benning School for Boys back in the day at a range of 1700 yards and the rounds easily penetrated the side of an armored personnel carrier. I was told that a FMJ 7.62 Nato fired from an M-14 rifle could penetrate an APC also at point blank range, but I never had a spare APC to try it out myself. Thus, whether the Mi-24 can stop a 12mm or 50 BMG depends in large measure on its altitude. And I should clarify that no helicopter has armor comparable to the front armor of a battle tank which will definitely stop a 12mm or 50 cal BMG round.
The Apache main rotor blade is designed to survive being pierced by a .50 round. But in general, helicopters are pretty vulnerable.
You can, but you've got to hit it in the right spot. A bullet through a pitch control rod or maybe a tail rotor drive shaft coupling, and you could bring the bird down with your kid's 22. But it's hard to hit those critical points.
A few years ago, a guy in Albuquerque shot down a BCSO chopper with an 03A3. One shot, but nobody was killed. That's only a tad more powerful than what belches out the end of a Mosin-Nagant in helecopter terms. I think it depends on how well armored the chopper is.
Albuquerque must be a really rough town if they fly Mi-24s as news choppers.
Not the Mi24, it is called the flying tank for good reason.
http://www.guncopter.com/mi-24-hind/
Sure can. Unarmored ones like a little OH-58 (Kiowa Jet Ranger or the little traffic helicopters you see everywhere), MD-500 or most of the civilian helicopters in the USA? Aim for the pilot, even bullets coming in his windshield can make him jerk the controls enough to possibly crash down low.
You secondary target is the tail rotor. Hit that and his anti-torque goes away .... he'll auto-rotate down but that helicopter is out of the fight.
Now an Mi-24?? Unless you have a 14.5mm MG or something heavier like a 23mm Shilka? HIDE. Fuckers are called flying tanks for a reason.
Helicopters are vulnerable in a variety of ways. Taking out a TR is one of the best ways to drop one out of the sky (Black Hawk Down); but even a lucky round through a hydraulic hose can cause the crew to have to land in a field or face control systems failure. What armor some combat helicopters DO have is limited - due to weight - to protecting undercarraiges, fuel tanks, and the cockpit. So even a flying tank has vulnerabilities, which is why you should never hold a 100 foot hover for very long.
These are the things I think about when I see silly Hollywood movies where the helicopter is chasing a car around at ten feet off the ground, and the drivers of the car swerve off the road, throw their hands in the air, and surrender, apparently oblivious to the fact that their car poses a far greater threat to the helicopter than the helicopter does to their car.
"I wonder if you can take out a helicopter with a $90 Mosin?"
No, but you can kill the pilots families. Makes them think twice about flying somewhere and killing other folks families.
7.62 is equivalent of a 308...
Yeah. An 8x57 is closer to a 30-06 IMO.
But 7.62x54R(immed) lighter weight rounds keep up with a 30-06 of similar weight and a lot less cost!
Usually with 7.62x54, you're buying steel case Russian stuff though, which can't be reloaded. Which is kind of a bummer, because I liked that rimmed cartrige a lot.
50 BMG and up.
7.62X54 is a medium size.
Mind you - wouldn't want to get hit by either....
Concur.
50 cal, 20 mm, 30 mm. Most of these have rounds that can be HEI, API, etc. That is usually the flash seen when one hits. Didn't see the video but these can take down anything in range.
pods
if you are quick and can pause the bottom video at 1:09 you can see the guy getting out of the APC with the AK has blue tape on his mag, isn't that usually the marker for blank rounds?
That sneaky bastard!
Probably had it on there from some exercise and said "fuck it" when time came for the real deal.
No access to video here. The Hind is supposed to be a tough bird though. Supposed to stop 12.7mm so either a lucky shot, fake, or a higher powered round took it down.
Probably not an AK though.
pods
third video just shows some milling about, random shooting and some apcs driving by it's not associated to the helicopter vid
Who sent the HI-17 there to hover in the first place.
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140425/189360918/OPINION-Replacing-Russ...
As always, The misdirection continues.
Hey pods i didn't junk you
It's all good, even if ya did.
I can be a grade A A-hole sometimes.
pods
The MI-24 is virtually invincible to fire from .50 BMG (several times more powerful than .30-06) and smaller rounds. Probably hit with 20mm or bigger. Hovering like that makes him a target for even an RPG round.
Uh, think a LOT bigger. Think something similar to a 50 cal. Russian equivalent is 12.7 x 108mm, IIRC. If not a ZSU-23 cannon. The MI-24 is heavily armoured, it has titanium armour around the critical areas. You could fire 7.62 rounds at it all day and not take it down... well maybe if it hovers in place 100 feet off the ground like the idiot pilot in this video.
"Helicopter" from the Greek I believe. For floating target?
How fucking hard is it to hold the damn camera still? I like crisp clear shots in my made for teevee warfare videos.
She just finished her breakfast of vodka and cigarettes, give her a break.
war will do that to you
wish she filmed the gunmen hurredly changing out of their 'russian seperatists' clothes back into 'neonazi' clothes
The video is another hoax? Did you see any flashes of rounds hitting her? I didn't.
Yeah there is a flash on the bottom rear at 25 sec in. It was definitely hit. You have to watch it a couple times to see it, or pause it at 24 sec then go frame by frame.
Go to Youtube and pull up "bird sucked into helicopter turbine" same flash. The comments telling us what happened are as always... Bullshit.
If the chopper pilot had been jinking as much as the cameraman was, his machine would still be operational.
I like the tactic of hovering motionless over enemy territory until shot down.
Stop or I'll shoot........or stop, and then I'll shoot.
i could have hit that with my slingshot
My first thought. Either he thought he was over friendly territory, or was very confident in his platform. Hows that old adage go? You will be still forever in Your grave, and You will get there faster if You stay still in battle.
"friendly territory"... Not sure there is any for Uke forces.
And, as long as that helo hovered in the same spot a kid with a .22 could have knocked it down.
LOL Wut?
Knocked it down with a .22 by filling up the air intakes with clumps of copper and lead by shooting it thousands of times?
It was probably more a matter of arrogance, since the Mi-24 supposedly bulletproof to .50 cal. Either that is a myth, or the opposing force is using something heavier than a .50 calibre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24
Raufoss round would bring it down...
if you've ever seen a cross section of a helicopter blade you would know that bullet proof helicopters don't exist
It's a good thing they have all those CIA advisors over there
A fighter pilot friend of mine used to repeat the mantra "Speed is life. More is better." This is a good illustration of that maxim.
The chopper fired something, either a rocket or a missile.
This. It is hard to see with both the quality and the movement, but the flash appears to come from lower on the body of the aircraft where the armament wings/rockets/missiles are. Further, you can hear, albeit delayed due to the distance, the sound of the rocket being launched. You don't hear the sound of heavy machine gun fire beforehand, which you would definitely hear even at this distance. Heavy machine guns in this region are typically 12.7 x 108mm DShK or 14.5 x 114mm KPV.
Also, after hearing the sound of the launch, you can still hear the rotor sound at the end of the video. This chopper did not go down, it launched a rocket then flew off behind the trees.
You're probably correct. Ukraine admits one of their helicopters got shot down, but this video doesn't show it. Google translate of 1st video says,
.
Slovyansk helicopter shoot video 05/05/2014
5,05,14 helicopter shooting at terrorists.
Militias are suffering losses.
SLAVYANSK FREE!
that's right... rotor sounds throughout the vid... flash was probably the helicopter firing..
Mmm. Flash; couple of seconds later, explosion. Rotor sounds continue until the end of the video.
Nazi's in the sky
....and then they die
Thats like "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" for lady V. Nuland.
So you're saying Putin was in that bird?
Dumb ass.
Good, shoot some more down, I hope they had some DEATHBICIAEPABLMPOSTALICEIRS thugs with them on board when it happened.
After looking at pictures of so called Ukraine Maidan marchers marching around with NAZIS, I hope Putin unleashes 1917 era supplies of fucking mustard gas on those assholes.
Too bad, so sad.
The Ukrainians don't have a good track record here with their airforce.
Helicopters: because moving targets are too difficult to hit
Another video that does not show us what it says it does?
Wait for Colin Powell to show up with the real video.
Rothshebz need more money. I'm sure they're backing both sides as always.
My no.1 take-away from studying the history of the 20th century: Don't go to war unless its completely asymmetric (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc), or you (the war financier) control both sides (WWI, WWII).
Wait, are you calling Vietnam and Afghanistan successes?
Not for the soldiers, but for the war financiers and MIC, yes.
Shut up, dammit! Why can't you be like other media outlets and ignore Ukraine!
Why can't you see that it is a GOOD thing that lots more donut makers have been hired!
You're going to ruin the rally!
(But tomorrow is Tuesday -- HAHA!)
Buy, buy, buy...
President's brother-in-law has been canned from his job coaching Oregon St. men's basketball team (Sports Illustrated)
This better all get resolved by winter or it'll be hard to tell apart civilian corpses from frozen soldiers.
You could probably scare the shit out of the pilots by hitting the helicopter with .22 bullets.
Which of these videos shows a helicopter crashing? Couldn't see it.
The most moronic helicopter mission ever conceived in the history of ukraine. Maybe they thought the blue copter would be stealth because of the sky
People being burned alive, people dying in Ukraine and CNBS talks about Warren Buffets war with Coke!
Hey, leave my stawks alone!
Seeing photos of Ukrainian women with rifles defending their cities against the US-supported Kiev Nazi regime. Just as in Second World War.
How Russia can watch this genocide in the making and not intervene is beyond me.
They are intervening, just not openly. Proxy war, NATO and Russia cannot both go openly into it.
Patience, young Jedi.
Genocide?
This word does not mean what you think it means.
"how many more helicopters [Ukraine] can afford to lose to eastern separatists as the Ukraine conflicts becomes an all out civil war?" - It's NOT a CIVIL WAR if 2 sovereign countries are fighting each other, e.g. Ukraine is fighting Russia
You make things up. Are US intelligence so bad that they are not able to come up with one peace of evidence? I think you can earn millions if you give Kery the smoking gun
Meanwhile you can see how Police is collaborating with people who look likes protesters in Odessa. Watch the red band around the arms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBofgPq1EUs . For some strange reason you are only allow to watch this if you register
"It's NOT a CIVIL WAR if 2 sovereign countries are fighting each other, e.g. Ukraine is fighting Russia"
So is your point that this is not a civil war or is it a general statement of what warfare is? You appear confused.
If your point is that this is not a civil war you are greatly mistaken. The Ukrainian helicopters wouldn't fly around if the Russian AF was flying CAP.
Russian flavored Ukrainians and real Russians are like meat flavored spagetti sauce vs. meat sauce.
Not quite the same thing.
Real Russians would have turned that helo into meatsauce and scraps.
All of this death, destruction & hatred has got to warm the tender heart of our little sweetheart Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! With any luck we will see her hangin' (around) in the town square!
Al Qadea on horseback shooting stingers again?
We have never seen this before in Europe.
A European goverment backet by Brussel using rockets against it own population
Time for a no fly zone?
You would be surprised at what money can buy.
And who!
apart from when they backed the Croatian Ustase regime (and then Bosnian & Kosovar Jihadists) against the Serbs. The ethnic cleansing of the Krajina Serbs was biggest since WW2. Another war that indirectly targetted Russia.
But if we don't use rockets against the population they will use votes against us!!
The horror! The horror!
And, here is what is fed to the Russians:
http://obozrevatel.com/crime/45782-terroristyi-zayavlyayut-o-bespretsedentnyih-poteryah-v-boyu-v-slavyanske.htm
A guy on the video is talking about a firefight with Ukrainian forces. Message: there were 25 of us, only 5 managed to get out.
Now, here is a question: do people in that clip look like "local militia" or "self-defense" forces? If you still think those are not either (a) Russian forces and/or (b) Ukrainians/Russians with military training, equipped and funded with Russian or Yanukovych's money, then I have a bridge for sale I would love to talk to you about.
why the downvote? have i brutally crushed what you believed in? sorry, dude, that's just some truth for you, to let you know just who Ukrainian forces are facing.
Other than the obvious juvenile attempt to present a couple men in military uniforms as Russian Army soldiers of non-Ukrainian citizenship, what is your point? The implications of your post are simple minded and anyone could make a dozen counter points to it. Just let it be said, that you are 100% aware the post is simple minded, and you have zero evidence to back up your claims. Everyone reading the comments section knows that East Ukraine has tens of thousands of young men, many military veterans. You also know that all of Eastern Europe is awash with military dress and weapons. You alos know that many hundreds of active Ukrainian solders have defected to the Eastern side, perhaps thousands. You also know that military stores and depots have been opened by defecting officers, and these men admit to handing out gear and wepaons to select gropus of rebels against the Coup government of Kiev.
We all know that the west is desperate now, their planned coup has failed, and millions refuse to obey a government put into power by armed force in one square in Kiev. This is a basic human right, as nobody cast a vote for Yats and his CIA and IMF handlers.
On a scale of 1-10, 0 being complete nonsense, the power of implication your post carries is a 1, I give it a 1, because of the genral lack of education inside the USA, public school graduates being especially ignorant on all counts as to history, political science and even the basic laws of physics. If you remember the US civil war, perhaps someone in school mentioned it? The patriotic rebels of the south, appeared in uniforms at the very outset of the fight for freedom against a Washington government that was a dictatorship, even thought they, unlike Kiev, did get elected.
If you imply that Ukrainian freedom fighters can't wear uniforms because YOU say so, I suggest you go there, since you care so much, and tell them they can't dress that way.
Also, when Russia sends real Russian troops and Spetsnaz into Ukraine, you will know about it! As for now, Donetsk independent Republic has between 8-10 million population to draw fighters from. So I expect them to dress for the part and maybe shoot down a few more CIA helicopters real soon. The defecting Ukrainian army deploys a special anti aircraft regiment as part of self defense forces, thy have all the Ukrainian army missiles and communications equipment they took with them when they defected to the East. Fully operational, and equipped with anti aircraft guns and shoulder fired AA missiles, they are bound to bag a number more CIA and BlackWater helicopters. The thing is, perhaps learning what is happening in East Ukraine, before a dubious post showing two soldiers in combat gear as your proof that Russia has invaded Ukraine? Do you want to stick by that story? It is a bit embarrassing really, I mean to stick by a comment worthy of the US State Department.
Are you talking about the video at the bottom? Aren't they Ukrainian army?
No, the people on the video are the "rebels". Note the characteristic black-and-orange ribbon on the guy lying on the sidewalk around 0:30 - these are worn by the anti-Ukrainian forces.
They are most likely ethnic Russian, ex-Ukrainian army with their own equipment. Where you come up with the Russia/Yanukovich-funded conspiracy theory I do not know. Even the Kiev regime admits a number of Ukr army formations have been "unreliable" in accepting orders to attack ethnic Russians (e.g. 25th Airborne Brigade disbanded). Anyway, more power to them for fighting against NATO's criminal Junta.
Just LOL at "their own equipment". So, when you leave the army, do you get to keep your AK-47, and then you can get an upgrade when the new model becomes avaiable? I have not heard from any source - reliable or otherwise - about defection by Ukrainian military, except from Crimea. But then, Crimean military are de-facto russian forces now.
And, if the government backed by majority of the lawfully elected parliament (even Putin dares not deny the legitimacy of the Ukrainian parliament) is a junta, then you need to re-check your assumptions. Let the downvotes flow in, I feed on this negative energy.
So, if 100,000 people with guns depose the government elected by majority of millions of people, then vote for themselves to be the new government, it is legitamate?
How many people, as a portion of the population, must be in the mob that overthrows the government, for it to be legitamate? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?
Here is what happened. First, the mob at maidan was not nearly as heavily armed as the current mob. Second, when Yanukovych fled (afer refusing to sign a law that the parliament passed), speaker of the parliament took over (as per Ukrainian constitution). Yeah, the speaker also fled, so the parliament had to elect a new one. The parliament has been elected a couple of years earlier at the election recognized by both Russia and the West as free and fair. Then, the parliament voted in the new government. What the fuck is your problem with legitimacy here? Do you only recognize as legitimate the president that suppresses all the opposition and then rigs elections to make sure he gets elected without a runoff?
Ah yes, Yats, the IMF banker from Israel?
Ahh, how many local armories were emptied out? I imagine it went something like this:
http://youtu.be/6AOceel95K8
haha, so the neo-Nazi street gangs forced the President to flee, most of his party then abandoned parliament (or did not vote) and the remaining Russophobic MPs started enacting new laws. That sounds real legit alright.
Yes, and then those neo-nazis have placed a couple of jews to run the show in the key regions. You guys are the stupidest trolls I have ever seen.
the words you're looking for are anti-Russian, pro-CIA oligarch.....their religion is of no consequence, since the Banderite knuckle-draggers only care how much they get paid per day.
As if the CIA's use of "Graywater" as the Russian speaking among Ukraine have aptly named the subsidiary of Blackwater/Xi/Academi LLC them...
THat other war that still keeps boiling in Syria. Evidence of the use of Sarin gas in a region near the border of Jordan -no doubt more from the Anglo-American/Saudi cabal. As you will notice in this video it killed many Syrian soldiers... Beyond sick!
In a more law abiding World that honored the rule of law John Kerry, Barack Obama and 3/4 of Congress would either be shot and strung up for display or the heads would be on the end of pole!!!
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/new-video-evidence-points-to-al-nusr...
Great War Game USA....no idea what you are doing and where this will end....each mess you make is bigger than the last one....
Ordo Ab Chao? You gotta make lots of chaos, for there to be lots of order. Either that, or it is just a whole bunch of short sighted, self-interest and no one actually has a long term game plan.
In any case, here comes an IMF Loan to replace that piece of crap helicopter
And they'll surely be replaced by American ones....I guess that means long MIC and Boeing huh? I won't dirty my hands with the blood money.
We'll it is one thing to recycle old surplus weapons to squeeze more money out of them for the MIC complex but ammo is another story. Got to wonder if that ammo the DHS and Social Security is buying is being rediverted over to Ukraine.
Shooting wars need bullets regardless of symetric or assymetric.
Follow the money aka bullet manufacturers, anonymous could do a service here hacking and exposing purchasing invoices.