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Caught On Tape: Ukraine Helicopter Firing Rockets, Shot Down
Just 2 days after the first Ukrainian military helicopter was shot down, Ukraine's defense ministry confirms an Mi-24 chopper was shot down in the eastern region of Donetsk. As the following clip shows, it appears the helicopter came under large-caliber machine gun fire, a flash is seen, and then the chopper falls from view. The Defense Ministry confirms the pilots survived as the chopped crashed into a nearby river. One wonders how many more helicopters (that are in working condition and still have a full gas tank) Kiev, i) has; and ii) can afford to lose to eastern separatists as the Ukraine conflicts becomes an all out civil war?
The chopper hovers for a while then at 24 seconds a flash is seen and it disappears from view...
Here is what may be the same chopper shown earlier, firing rockets, while in the background someone else is also shooting, unclear if at the helicopter.
As Sky reports, a Ukrainian helicopter has been shot down over the pro-Russian stronghold of Slavyansk as fighting there continues to worsen.
Ukraine's defence ministry said the pilots had survived but elsewhere in the east of the country four paramilitary policemen were shot dead in fighting.
A number of other rebels and civilians are also thought to have been killed or injured, according to Sky's Stuart Ramsey, who is in eastern Ukraine.
The helicopter, an Mi-24, came under fire from a heavy machine gun and crashed into a river.
The ministry said in a statement the crew were evacuated to a nearby camp but did not give any detail of their condition.
At least three other helicopters have been shot down by pro-Russian rebels in the violence that is increasing in eastern parts of the country.
Pictures shot by news wires showed pro-Russia rebels carrying rocket launchers and rocket propelled grenades.
And finally, a firefight near Slovyansk resulted in the following gas-pipeline explosion...
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The pilot of the helicopter was probably checking out his STAWKS and seeing if the DJIA is up a couple of hundred points this morning....
The stunt men...er, uh...pilots survived.
http://youtu.be/IEyT2l0YL6g
This is place is completely overrun with Putin propagandists. Should block all IPs that geolocate to Russia.
Heck, lets just censor anyone who disagrees with you, amirite?
That and the occasional blood thirsty troll that likes whatever the neo-Nazis are serving up on the barbie.
Sounds like someone is not happy. Indeed, silence anyone not reading from the script of Obama and the Neocon Washington establishment. Once the people are silenced, America will be a much better place, you seem to be on to something. Block 'em and shut them up, silence is what is needed now at a time of grave threat to America's Neocons.
at 0:40 You can clearly see an arrow :)
this is all about bullet holes in Ukraine Helicopter
for christ sake
How are those Ukranian War Bonds selling ?
IMF won't pay Ukraine if they don't fight.
IMF has already stated this.
Ukraine is just holding up their end. Ukranian Ruskies are the target.
In a way the current Ukraine is an artificial state, way too large, created by the soviets.
Poland and Romania and Russia lost territory in the favour of Ukraine during WW2, with the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty.
My bet is that the current Ukraine will disintegrate, just like Yugoslavia. Too bad though that the powers that be (Russia and USA) choose war instead of diplomacy in this case.
Czechoslovakia was also an artificial state. But the Czech and the Slovaks separated themselves peacefully.
And now, the Czech Republic and Slovakia are the best countries in central Europe, everyone looks at these 2 countries with a a substantial amount of envy.
And the difference in language and ethnicity between Czech and Slovaks are fucking minimal. Just like the difference between Russians and Ukrainians.
Also Slovenia, managed to get herself out Yugoslavia without bloodshed.
Slovenia has much to thank to Joze Pucnik, for his role in making Slovenia the best country in Central/Eastern/South-Eastern Europe (whichever way you want to look at it).
So it's not like, in that region we don't have example on how to dismantle artificially made states by the soviets/communists. It's just some people are more stupid than others.
The more you go towards Moscow in that region, the more retards /ignorants/easy to brainwash/ false patriots imbeciles you'll find. I know many here will not like this, since too many thinks Russia and Putin are the saviours of mankind at the moment apparently, but this is the reality.
2 days ago I invited folks here to visit all countries of Eastern Europe and make their mind for themselves.
I bet many would choose to live in Croatia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Poland rather than Ukraine, Belarus, Russia if they had to choose.
Even Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, countries allied with Russia and rich with natgas and mineral resources are worse than these countries, on a per capita income and general quality of life there. And boy, these countries sit on huge natgas reserves and oil.
The oligarchic-autocratic style of ruling people in all these ex-soviet countries is still present and that is one big problem.
That's not to say, that in the present events in Ukraine, Russia is the bad guy. It's sad though that violence has to be used.
Had the Russian and Ukrainians started this talk about the artificial Ukraine in 90's, with sincerity and transparency, maybe we would not be in the situation we are now in that region.
Russians, many times are way too paranoid, they live with this mindset that The Universe is out to get them, and the other Eastern Europeans that suffered a lot in WW2 and after, at the hands of the Soviets can't seem to let go of the past easily.
I'm surprised that my country, Romania, which is not as homogeneous as Ukraine from an ethnic point of view, never had any of the shit Yugoslavia had, nor the shit that's about to unfold in Ukraine. Maybe that's why I pray to God, to somehow stop the conflict there, since I'm afraid it will spill into Romania.
Ukraine spends way more than it makes, it cannot afford to let people leave, or they will all freeze come winter. Also, something ridiculous like 50 people own 50% of everything.
Too much spending, too much oligarchy, too much dependence on foreign energy, too much gullibility trusting the west to magically solve their problems.
Also, the misfortune of being stuck between two competing powers.
Yes.
If you look at this though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_res..., you will see Ukraine being the 4th country in Europe in terms on proven natural gas reserves, followed closesly by Romania as the 5th, followed by United Kingdom as 6th.
So I'm not so sure they are really that dependent of foreign energy.
I think corruption is the big factor why Ukraine is almost a failed state.
And its dependence almost entirely on Russia.
Everything it builds is exported to Russia mostly. As Russia becomes more modern, and integrated in global trade, Russia gets more unwilling to subsidize the imports from Ukraine.
If Russia can obtain better products from elsewhere it will buy less and less from Ukraine.
That makes Ukraine's industry uncompetitive, since they never had to diversify and modernize, and become more productive.
As Russia gets to be better friends with highly developed nations like Germany, need for products from Ukraine decreases.
Also Russia herself is undergoing industrial modernization, so the need for Made In Ukraine stuff also decreases.
Regarding "too much gullibility trusting the west to magically solve their problems"
You are correct.
My take is that this is because many in Eastern Europe, we were never taught to critically think for ourselves during Communism. The Party didn't want people to think critically. To be creative. To be free in their thinking.
Because they, the Party, correctly identified that the biggest enemy for the Party could arise from those people capable of thinking for themselves.
1989 has passed. Freedom. Cable TV. Hollywood movies came.
Hollywood movies that painted mostly these nice, perfect, middle-class type of life, of your typical Westerners.
You know what I'm talking about: nice 2 levels house, 2 cars per family, nice green grass surrounded by white picket fences, ultra-friendly Golden Labradors dogs, he a younghish looking male in his 30-40's, slim, fit, a successful lawyer, she a nice sexy fuckable attractive business woman. Both they and their kids with incredible extra ultra white teeth, almost not natural.
You need to take into account that many young people, 20-30-40 years old were "educated" in the 90's with shit like Beverly Hills, Friends, Seinfeld, Saved By The Bell, Prince of Bel Air.
In all that shit, what are the typical problems a Westerner faces: she dumped him, he cheated on her, they moved to a new house and didn't like it, don't know what clothes to wear at party X, went to Haway for holidays, etc..
Never, the characters of those movies/TV series faced problems like foreclosing, no money to pay bills, food is shit as in no taste, everyone's livelihood is dependent on a credit card, etc..
Since many Easterners did not really knew how to think for themselves, took everything they saw in movies as true, or very close to the reality.
Add to that the fact that our mass-media constantly bombarded us about how fucked up we are, and how sexy and clean and educated and rich the West is.
I'm trying my best to explain why many Eastern Europeans, especially the young ones, want to the serfs to the West and not Russia. Also 2000's came, and many Eastern Europeans emigrated, and slowly they brought their parents in the West to watch out their their kids.
And even the parents, that only knew Communism, could see for their eyes that the WEST is not necessarily Satan and life is not as the Communist propaganda.
There still is a sufficient amount of pensioners, that only worked during their entire life under Communism. But they are dying now.
That generation in 10 years will be gone. In 10 years, if the standard of living doesn't increase in Eastern Europe, the West will have it even easier to use people's discontent and create all sort of colored revolutions: orange, blue, green, what ever color they want. Because the majority will want to live like in the West.
For all the ills of the West, many Eastern Europeans see that life in the West for the common man is still better than in the East. From education to infrastructure to healthcare.
And they want that NOW. Not willing to wait 200 years for the differences between East and West to disappear.
Did you say "Way too large"? That is what Xi Jinping was just saying the other day abour Russia?
Isn't that a funny coincidence? Haha. The fun these dictators have with these fun ideas and fun plans? Good times!
I see America being Balkanized in the future.
In general, I see decentralization as a positive step.
Decentralization is a positive step, if it is done without violence, and the end is to decentralize people, and is done with people's consent.
When "decentralization" is done to weaken your adversary, with social conflict and bankrupting nations, is not a good thing, since the risks of ending up worse than before is greatly increased.
Democracy is great also, if it is not hijacked by lobby groups, and the common man has its basic needs covered.
Otherwise, see Iraq after the invasion.
Dear Continue, you might want to consider that >4/5 citizens of Ukraine are ethnic Ukrainians. And that they want their territory for themselves as Ukrainian Citizens. And that Ukraine signed treaties with Russia just 20 years ago (almost to the day) securing their legitimate right to the territory and that that included Crimea.
All your bullshit talk of you being Romanian...NOT. You are Russian.
Look, don't think I'm a Russian because I'm not.
I personally don't want to see Ukraine in the same situation that Yugoslavia was.
But that doesn't stop me from mentioning the historical truths about Poland and Romania and Russia losing territory to Ukraine during WW2. And it wasn't Ukraine's fault nor the Ukrainians are at fault.
It was the Soviets.
Also, just so you know, I have upvoted some of your comments, because unlike the majority here, I don't trust Putin.
Maybe it's my subconscious Romanian bias towards many things Russian. We, the Romanians, along side the Poles are the biggest anti-Russians in Eastern Europe.
Even during the Communist era we were so.
Remembers Czechoslovakia, August of 1968, when our dictator Ceausescu was against Soviet troops invaded Czechoslovakia, and made a public speech about it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_speech_of_21_August_1968
I think that now, Russia has passed the Soviet era, but I don't think Russia is an entirely different country. Some things have changed, some are the same, some are about to morph into something new, some have morhped into something new and bad for the Russians at the same time.
Some tactics they developed during Communism, as propaganda in the West to attempt demoralization of Westerners I think is now successfully used by some of RT's and Russia's Voice media institutions. But note that I said some. Some stuff RT says is actually true, some are half truths, some are lies.
The problem with the Russians' tactics is that is the same as the American tactic.
Russians always defend their best interests in the region. That means, that they will use people from Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus to defend those interests. Problem is, many of those people, are some of the worse corrupt oligarchs that are friendly to Russia. The same as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, where some of the worst (for the common people there) leaders of those countries are the ones who will serve America's interest.
Just as in Japan/Germany after the WW2, the people that served America's interest were not that bad for the interest of the common man. Or like in South Korea, the people there that were/are US puppet, are not that corrupt. They may be corrupt, but the common man there, is way better that in say Romania, Poland, Ukraine.
See, there are no good guys. I mean good guys in the sense, they have no bad things attached.
The problem is that the bad guys that are Russian puppets, and made Ukraine so shitty, are so bad, that many Ukrainians want to be ruled by the bad guys that are Western puppets, since they hope that the Western puppets will be similar to the the USA puppets in Germany, Poland, South Korea and the likes.
In the age of the Internet, many Ukrainians and Russians too --let's be honest---, can see that the West is not perfect, but is not the Absolute Satan that the Soviets propagandized.
I think Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria and other, mostly Christian Orthodox, countries will not see as many investments from the West like Poland saw for example.
So in a way we are fucked. But I also think, that it's better to be fucked by the West, than by Russia.
It's like WW2 in Romania: NAZI german soldiers came and payed for hookers, payed for food and treated most Romanians decently.
Soviets came and raped our daughters, took everything we had of value (gold, watches, jewelwry, food, cows, horses, cars, etc..) at gunpoint. Even so much as looking the wrong way at a Russian soldier would get you killed in those times. Romanians cannot forget that shit soo easily as the Russian would probably like. That's why many Romanians know one Russian word perfectly: davay, davay, davay.
Romania at least, suffered way more at the hands of Russia than at the hands of the West. And our recent economic struggles, in many ways are are own fault. We voted fro corrupt aparatcnincks and oligarchs.
We can't just brush aside our history, and pretend that Russia today and Putin are the bestest of the best and most virgin and clean and the most saintly entities in the World. They are not.
" I don't think Russia is an entirely different country. " That is a supreme understatement as many of the same Communist Party bosses are now the Oligarchs running the worsening police state under Princess Putin.
"...Russians' tactics is that is the same as the American tactic."
But, yes, Russia has always behaved horribly. But why should Ukraine suffer because there are skeletons in Washingtons closet?
Why would you, given everything you have said about Romania, turn your back on Ukrainian rights to self determination?
You are misreading my comments.
I actually favour the Ukranian peoples' right to self determination, and a more free and less corrupt Ukraine.
I just hope that this conflict doesn't becomes a civil war.
It is a civil war.
Off topic, but I just got two pop-up stock shilling ads from Jim Cramer here on ZH ... one to 'buy Apple,' the second one to 'buy Google.'
Don't know whether Tyler is aware of this.
But I find Cramer so grossly offensive that I'm staying away for the rest of today, to keep his repulsive mug out of my sight.
CRAMER = BAD FOR BUSINESS.
Don't get worked up. Think of it as the the comic relief appearance of a creepy court jester.
I hope WB7 photoshops Cramer in the jester outfit with his picks as juggling grenades. That would be classic.
I use firefox with Ad Block. It works sweet! Shuts those things down all across my browser.
This thing might not go hot, really hot, for awhile.
Does Putin want to embarrass his BRICS allies???
South Africa - holding elections this week.
India - holding elections at the moment
China - about to welcome Putin to the country on May 20 for a major signing ceremony.
Would Putin really want to piss off the Chinese something shocking prior to this date? I rather doubt it.
Then you have the Ukrainian election and also European elections - May 25. It would appear reckless to send the troops into Ukraine in that window of less than a week.
Then you end ip in June. And what's in June? Your biggest potential South American allies biggest ever international event. If Putin can hold off intervention until post World Cup I bet he will try too. It might help him gather the likes of Brazil, China, India and South Africa on his side. You can add Indonesia too - a Presidential Election in July.
Why rush when waiting until late July might present much more favourable conditions! The last piece of the puzzle might be Turkish elections in early August and Erdogan. Can the BRICS prise Turkey out of NATO in the next 2-3 months and really swing things around to their advantage?
Bottom line is, I can see plenty of sensible reasons why Putin is holding off intervening at present - although clearly he wants the capability to go in at a moments notice if truly horrific things happen on a grand scale - we're perhaps talking thousands of casualties to get into this ballpark.
Germany (???) - Turkey - Russia - Iran
vs
US - Britain - France + other NATO
And China plays the role that the US has played in the other World Wars, entering the war late? Or does it end in one of the countries swapping allegiances?
Do we really have to have France on our side again? It's like taking the short kid that can't dribble or shoot when you're picking teams in a pickup basketball game.
Are you part of the ZeroHedgers that believe that wars are started by bankers?
If so, why all these cheapshots at France, who realized is not worth fighting for in WW2?
France didn't get bombarded as Germany, Japan, UK, Russia in WW2.
Are you British perhaps? I would like to inform that the French Army is better armed and larger in force than yours.
Also, the French were intelligent enough not to get involved in Iraq/Afganistan.
So again, why all these cheap jokes, who probably are off the mark, about the French?
The French were always smarter than Brits anyways.
Mark Twain - The War Prayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVod4PwQHs
For that which has been unspoken...
Thanks CPL
Yes CPL, that was a nice link. Some American dupes and war lovers should perhaps give it a listen.
Memo to Ukrainian helicopter pilot training department: Hovering in place till someone shoots you down is not that great of a combat strategy. You may want to put something in the training manual about that.
In any case, attack helicopters are the dinosaurs of armed conflict. They have become highly vulnerable to ground fire. They have become a complete waste of money.
In other words, Flying Aircraft Carriers...
And then there's this...
http://rt.com/news/156792-odessa-jews-evacuation-plans/
And on the issue of replacement helicopters, there's this...
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140425/189360918/OPINION-Replacing-Russ...
"Anti-Semitism in Ukraine also made the headlines last month after masked people in Donetsk distributed leaflets demanding that all adult Jews registered and paid money to the authorities of the Donetsk People’s Republic, "
How is that a good thing, Meat? I thought we were way past this Anti-Semitism crap?
Those leaflets were shown to be a hoax, or should I say "another hoax."
BTW is there any anti-Christian crap? Or should we get all excited about only one kind of crap?
Well, as a doubter I take down all peddlers of fiction and hocus pocus when it comes my way. But if some group or individual wants to worship Cthulhu, or the tooth fairy or Jeebus, they should be allowed to be stupid.
For I know that Nyarlothotep is the best and most powerful. He is real. Worship him. Do it now.
whatever, you post lies and talk dribble.
I didn't say it was a good thing. Just posted the article.
Does the Odessa evacuation pertain to the Mossad agents currently present? You know, the ones involved in causing this whole thing?
Sorry, meat. I confused you with one of the many Jew-bashers here on ZH. Apologies.
nosevictim eye agree dis internets channel is full of hiltlers who hate us jewish volks fours are satanic saturn 3 dumbs.
here is an old saying for ya
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
How slow are you, seriously? Those leaflets were called out as hoaxes ages ago. Even the Chief Rabbi of Donetsk called them "a crude provocation" or something.
novictim is desperate to sell his Mad Dog Killer Putin schtick.
Looks to me like the Jews are on the Fascist Muslim EU agressor side, ((sans the Oligarchs allied* with Putin) they should have an exit plan if their EU looting invasion op fails.
Waging war has its consequences, boooting instigators is one of those consequences. every article advocting EU support of forcing Ukraine into the EU is written by Jewish authors.
Don't take my word for it, notice yourself.
This war is a Jew war.
meat hammer instead of posting links godamit go help them.
help the 6 million poor jewish odessa souls
helpthem helpthem
I bet for a small fee the chopper would have taken passengers back to Kiev after they were done killing some women and children. Just stand below it with your suitcases and wave it down like a taxi in NYC.
Regarding the future relations (maybe 1-2 years down the line) of Ukrainians to Russians, would you predict it to be:
1) Warm and brotherly
2) Cordial
3) Standoffish, distant
4) Aloof, cold
5) Disdainful, arrogant
6) Angry, hostile
7) Paranoid, hateful
8) Vengeful, homicidal
Oh, and by the way, do you think that Putin is a good leader? Is he good for Russia?
remember to the west the Ukraine is a "throw away" country in their bid to destabilize and eventually control Russia via a puppet regime once Putin and his allies are ousted, even if it takes full scale war to accomplish this.
chances are, if Washington gets it's way and Moscow doesn't capitulate to every little demand NATO makes there won't be a Ukraine left to have relations with.
and yes I think Putin is a good leader, but you would have to ask Russians if he is good for Russia, though I've noticed a lot of them seem to think so, at least according to the poles. what I do know is that he is not working with the western NWO types and that alone is enough for me personally to give him more respect than any of the circus freaks currently inhabiting DC...
"Top diplomat Christopher R. Hill says that Russia’s response to the Ukraine crisis means that Moscow has betrayed the “new world order”.
I just hope he stands his ground and does not back down in this situation. it would be nice to see the western psychopaths denied their ambitions for a change.
Clearly you are NOT Russian.
If you were, then you would recognize and address the devastating effect Princess Putin's actions will have on Russian-Slavic relations for decades or longer.
And if you were Russian (and honest...rare, I know) you would have hesitated to call the Princess a good leader. It is the American right wing that so quickly calls the "strong man" the good leader.
Hitler, to them, was a "good leader", for instance. Now, Hitler destroyed Germany, destroyed a generation of young Germans, created a shameful legacy for Germany that they still live with and yet the right wing in America still thinks, "Yes, he was evil. But he was a good leader!" Crazy!
Banderastan will always be anti-Russian. They have to blame someone for their failings. Donbas residents make twice as much as their agricultural cousins over in Galicia. It used to be Russians, Poles & Jews to blame. Nowadays they just stick to Russians since their neocon/oligarch overlords pay the bills.
Does anyone else think of this video when these threads are started?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4
Yes. This is exactly what I was thinking.
Guess Putin is not (yet) taking the bait set by the Kiev fascist/US/Nato cabal to invade eastern Ukraine.
Let's see who's the better chess player, sadly meanwhile real people getting killed.
Crisis Map
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/04/30/226117/donetsk-referendum-wording-...
Donetsk referendum wording mentions neither Ukraine nor RussiaDONETSK, Ukraine — Having lived through a month of pro-Russian separatists storming and seizing government buildings to raise the Russian flag, Donetsk residents will be asked May 11 to answer a single question in a hastily organized referendum.
That question, according to a government official who said he was present at a meeting Tuesday where the wording was agreed on: “Do you support the creation of the Donetsk People’s Republic?”
What would a “yes” vote actually mean? Officials admit they aren’t sure. In fact, one noted that more than a desire to join Russia, or be a separate nation, the vote is an attempt to persuade the central government in Kiev to listen to this populous, industrial region. Regional council member Nikolai Zagoruiko said that if the central government would agree to two long-standing demands, the vote might never have to happen.
...
That is your answer why. One step at a time.
And some more color on this ahead of propaganda onslaught.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protests-referendum-383/
...
Russian language has been re-introduced as an official language along with Ukrainian in the area where a plurality of its residents are ethnic Russians (48.15%) and Russian-speaking Ukrainians (46.65%). This decision came after the new power in Kiev abolished the minority languages law.
Also, the Donetsk authorities said they consider Russia a strategic partner.
...
Then back to the McClatchy article which for a US source is pretty fair in reporting this referendum as such so far.
...
Regional council member Nikolai Zagoruiko said that if the central government would agree to two long-standing demands, the vote might never have to happen.
“If they would agree to make Russian a second official language of Ukraine _ so that everyone can understand the state documents they must read and sign _ and agree to give Donetsk more local control over the taxes we collect to send to Kiev, so that we can make this a better place to live, we would probably be satisfied,” he said. “In fact, if they did those two things, I’m sure the referendum could be postponed, and eventually forgotten about.”
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And, officials admit, they’ll be asking those voters to turn out and make this decision in just over a week through a campaign that will rely mostly on word-of-mouth. For the referendum to be legal, Donetsk voters have to get informational invitations at least seven days beforehand, which means at the latest on Monday. Whether that can be done is in doubt. The invitations had yet to be printed Wednesday. In addition, Thursday, May 1, is a national holiday, and Friday and Saturday are widely considered to be part of a four-day May Day weekend, when little if any work is expected to be done.
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Then you have this zinger which McClatchy doesn't follow up on which I will since everyone seems to be ignoring the bigger issue of the current government in Ukraine.
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“Is this a legitimate referendum?” Zagoruiko said in answer to a question. “It’s as legitimate as having an unelected temporary president in Kiev.”
He was then asked whether the unelected, temporary president in Ukraine was legitimate. “I think not, so the answer to both questions would be no,” he said, and then smiled. “But maybe the answer to both questions would be yes.”
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What he is referring to concerning Ukraine is this
http://www.rferl.org/content/was-yanukovychs-ouster-constitutional/25274...
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Dueling Constitutions
But a legal gap remains. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution. (In 2010, Yanukovych restored the country's 1996 constitution, which hands greater power to the presidency.)
Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition.The 1996 and the 2004 constitutions are uniform when it comes to the reasons for removing a president, with Article 111 stating the parliament has the right to initiate a procedure of impeachment "if he commits treason or other crime."
However, it is not clear that the hasty February 22 vote upholds constitutional guidelines, which call for a review of the case by Ukraine's Constitutional Court and a three-fourths majority vote by the Verkhovna Rada -- i.e., 338 lawmakers. Pro-Yanukovych lawmakers may also argue that under the 1996 constitution, it should have been the current acting prime minister, Serhiy Arbuzov, who assumed power after Yanukovych's removal. The 2004 constitution designates the parliament speaker as the No. 2 position. That discrepancy may soon become irrelevant, with parliament expected to elect a new prime minister no later than February 24. That post is expected to go to either Tymoshenko, fellow Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) member Arseniy Yatsenyuk, or independent lawmaker and chocolate magnate Petro Poroshenko. ...Do the Russian Army units in the Eastern provinces count as "Russian Speaking Citizens"?
Just checking... because it appears that the Russian speaking portion of the population has doubled, as a percentage, since 2001.
How did that happen? Millions of immigrants to EACH eastern Republic? Or did millions of Ukrainians leave all of them?
According to this
http://2001.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/
and this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Census_%282001%29
According to both of these sources after Crimea the Donetsk Region had the highest percentage of Russians as follows:
Since the 1989 Census Ukraine has LOST 5% of its Russians.
Crimea is a different story. That was never properly Ukraine in the first place.
So.... how is it that all these "Eastern Regions" managed to have their demographics turned on their heads in the last few months or years?
Or is everyone too frightened to ask Papa Putin to explain these inconsistencies before driving Russia to war?
http://www.indexmundi.com/ukraine/demographics_profile.html
This is the only breakdown that really matters since the language issue the reality is most Ukrainians are bilingual it is just a preference of whether they use Russian or Ukrainian as their primary language.
Religions
Ukrainian Orthodox - Kyiv Patriarchate 50.4%, Ukrainian Orthodox - Moscow Patriarchate 26.1%, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox 7.2% - Pro-Russian
Ukrainian Greek Catholic 8% (Svoboda/Neo Nazis), Roman Catholic 2.2%, Protestant 2.2%, Jewish 0.6%, other 3.2% (2006 est.) - Anti-Russian
You only see what they want you to see, and you only believe what you want to believe.
say no to the banker and the jewish control lies and wars ukraine give up your firing pins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNig07RtWxA#t=545
Surely a US CIA false flag attack to continue to enflame the West Ukrainians. The Chopper probably even had a CIA pilot, making this into pure theater.
All part and parcel of the US desire to seize break apart the Soviet...mmmm... I mean Russia, and cut it into pieces in order to conquer and seize the swamps of Novisibersk.
Damn, Americans! Aren't the everglades enough? Why do they want Russia's territory? It's for the...um... for the...um SNOW!
Yeah, that's it! Those damn southerner American's don't have enough SNOW. So they want to take Russia's and Russia has lived for generations in fear that the American's would invade to get that SNOW...er...um... swamp....er...um....tundra?...um...
Well, I don't know what the hell they'd want in Russia!
But everyone knows they've been trying to get it! Because...because..
Because I saw it on channel 1, read it in Isvestia! and in Pravda! And Putin SAID SO!
And none of them EVER LIED BEFORE.
Well, okay. Maybe they did.
OFFS! We don't need to see his garden growing.
Cheesey CGI photshop crap. Gunshots are a melamine platter smacked on a countertop. Bunch 'o Bullshit!
War footage is always soooo much fun to watch. I'm glad it's some other poor bastard doing the fighting.
Buy US banks. Kyle Bass is bullish on them and that will help US banksters. Kyle Bass is a financial pervert.