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Moldova Puts "Borders On Full Alert" As Latvia Admits "Society Has Fear"

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The activity across the entire Eastern European region is starting to rattle the nerves of more than just the well-meaning sanctionsers in Washington. Today saw Moldova:

  • *MOLDOVA PUTS ITS BORDERS ON ALERT CITING UKRAINE UNREST

And Latvia:

  • "The society has fear... We know what it means to be under Russia."

Both nations are also extremely divided along ethnic Russian lines and leadership is gravely concerned that any further gains by a pro-Russian force in Ukraine will either a) spill over physically into their nations; and/or b) instill confidence in the deeply divided nations' Russian-speakers.

 

First from Moldova, things are getting serious (as we have noted before of the region of Transnistria):

  • *MOLDOVA PUTS ITS BORDERS ON ALERT CITING UKRAINE UNREST
  • *MOLDOVA SAYS IT SUPPORTS UKRAINIAN TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY
  • *MOLDOVA SAYS ITS LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL WORK TO ENSURE ORDER

Via AP,

 

Moldova's government says it has placed the landlocked country's borders on alert amid unrest in neighboring Ukraine.

 

 

Top Moldovan leaders announced the move Monday in a joint statement after Ukrainian forces deployed an elite unit to the Ukrainian port of Odessa.

 

President Nicolae Timofti, Prime Minister Iurie Leanca and Parliament speaker Igor Coreman said in the statement that security forces were ordered "to take all necessary actions to ensure public order inside the country."

 

It made no reference to any specific threat.

 

The three met behind closed doors to discuss the situation in Ukraine. Moldova has 1,500 Russian troops stationed in a separatist republic of Trans-Dniester which recently asked to be united with Russia.

And then there is its heavily Russian Baltic neigbor which, as WSJ reports, is sharply divided...

The U.S. ambassador was trying to instill confidence in a country growing nervous. Addressing Latvian troops at this large military base last week, Mark Pekala pointed to nearby paratroopers from the 173rd Infantry Brigade and said the U.S. was locked "plecu pie pleca," or "shoulder to shoulder" with its North Atlantic Treaty Organization partner.

 

It was a valiant effort. But in an interview after the speech, Latvia's new defense minister, Raimonds Vejonis, offered a more sober view of the mind-set here. "The society has fear," said Mr. Vejonis, who was a biology teacher when Latvia was still under Soviet rule. "We know what it means to be under Russia."

 

 

A quarter of the population is ethnic Russian and nearly 40% of its people speak Russian as their native tongue. That gives particular resonance here to Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, and anxiety about separatist violence in other parts of Ukraine. On Sunday in Odessa, a cosmopolitan port city on the Black Sea coast, the emergence of a pro-Ukraine civilian resistance group pointed to a widening civil conflict with pro-Russian activists.

 

In Latvia, municipal leaders are often labeled as leaning strongly toward Russian interests. What's more, a small minority of its people have refused citizenship amid naturalization hurdles.

 

A chief concern of the government—which is facing parliamentary elections in October—is the rise of what some officials call "provocateurs," people in the country believed to be spreading antigovernment sentiment on behalf of the Kremlin. For now, government leaders say the nation is "stable" and a new poll indicates the ruling Unity party gained substantial support among voters, with many saying they never want to compromise their status in the European Union.

And costs are adding up quickly - not for Russia or the West...

According to one televised interview, Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma said the West's sanctions, and countermeasures by Russia, could cost Latvia up to "hundreds of millions of euros."

 

Concerned, she has added closed-door discussions about those impacts to her weekly cabinet meeting. "It would be hard to find a country with greater relative exposure," said her economics minister Vjaceslavs Dombrovskis.

But...

Even those in government, however, say the nation has a long way to go in bridging a cultural divide that has lingered for a quarter of a century and any cracks evident in the light of Ukraine run far deeper than the current crisis.

"What Ukraine reminds us of is that there are things that cannot be swept under the carpet," said Ilmars Latkovskis, the chairman of the Latvian parliament's social cohesion committee

And then there's this!!!!

The government denies any discrimination, but many Latvians still see Russians as invaders and carriers of the Soviet system; decades ago, the Soviet Union sent thousands here as part of an industrialization movement. "There's a saying here that a 'good Russian is a dead Russian,'" said Elisabete Krivcova, a 35-year-old human rights attorney and political activist. Sayings like that have long pressured ethnic Russians to bury their heritage, said Ms. Krivcova, an ethnic Russian who says she naturalized at a young age to pursue law.

But the nation is bitterly divided...

As the government cracks down more on so-called provocateurs, Nils Usakovs, the Russian-speaking mayor of Riga and leader of Harmony Center, said he worries it runs the risk of isolating the large ethnic Russian population.

 

"This may lead to further radicalization unfortunately, because that will propel the whole thing about nationalism from both sides."

Compared to...

Andrejs Andrejevs, an ethnic Russian living in a small town in the Latgale region, pointing to a common belief here that life on the fringe of the EU is better than being a subject of Moscow.

 

"Even we who live near Russia don't want to unite with Russia," says the young manager at a wood yard. "We have gotten used to a European way of life with freedom of movement."

So - who's next?

 

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Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:48 | 4730729 TeamDepends
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But Comrade, we have your back.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:20 | 4730783 strannick
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Latvia "society has fear".

They should be fearful. The CIA may decide to create a civil war in their nations next, and reduce them to rubble as proxy pawns in  their encirclement of Russia.

The choice is EU/IMF debt, or subsidized Russian gas. The CIA says EU/IMF. Or else.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:32 | 4730832 markmotive
Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:35 | 4730836 Latina Lover
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As if anyone gives a shit about what happens in Moldova. I'll bet that not one in 500 hundred americans could find it on a map, much less care.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:09 | 4730896 Kirk2NCC1701
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I think it's next door to Utopos (the place that cannot be).

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:18 | 4730906 jeff montanye
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the current group of leaders of the free world really recollect mark twain's comment:

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 03:32 | 4731072 zhandax
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What is the other old saying?  "Never sleep with someone crazier than you."  Been a lot of that going around in politics for the last half-century.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 04:24 | 4731098 Advoc8tr
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Wouldn't hurt them to brush up ... A shortage of men and regarded as having among the highest concentration of "beautiful young women" ... also ranked as the poorest I believe so your Benny bucks go a long way there.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:49 | 4731171 sheikurbootie
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Another war?  All this from the guy who won the Nobel Peace prize! 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:49 | 4730735 One And Only
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Fuck these niggers. Roll the tanks. We don't need "pretense" to go to war...Iraq....Afghanistan. Get the jets airborne, load up the rocket launchers and let's stimulate this fucking economy!!!!

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:31 | 4730831 DOGGONE
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The American people are severely deceived by omission, see here:
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
I have no good voice. Maybe you might try?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:52 | 4730744 navy62802
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Well that little experiment with the former Soviet bloc didn't last long. From the sound of it, shit is currently hitting the fan.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:55 | 4730754 European American
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"The society has fear... We know what it means to be under Russia."

Yeah, well wait till you get force fed a little "freedom and democracy" American style.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:56 | 4730755 navy62802
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Nah, we prefer fascism in this region.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:18 | 4730807 Oh regional Indian
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Prop a ganda bullshit is flying fast and thick.

Can th elines be more scripted that those above?

"We are very afraid of Russia"

"Ve Vill protect All Moldy Vans"

 

 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:44 | 4730934 Oh regional Indian
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Funny doublespeak shit....We are all everyone now.

Hold hands so the HellFire is more effective....

Booooombayaaahhhh!!!!!

ori

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:42 | 4731161 Smegley Wanxalot
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"We have gotten used to a European way of life with freedom of movement."

????

So free that the western governments watch and track your every movement, intercept 100% of your communications, and now will punish you for thinking the wrong thoughts. (like the Mozilla guy or that Clippers fuckhead)

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:26 | 4731226 Gavrikon
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My Russian friends have freedom of movement.  This is tripe.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:25 | 4730911 HardAssets
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Hype. War fear porn.

What indication have the Russians given that they want to invade Latvia ?

Yeah, there might be a war, but at this time there's no indications that any regions outside of eastern Ukraine would be involved.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:28 | 4730913 jeff montanye
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indications? we don't need no stinking indications!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:12 | 4730964 El Vaquero
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54

 

BTW, they're actually kinda cute.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzGIaRJTT8

 

I want one.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 08:00 | 4731270 shovelhead
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"Pet badger eats owners face...News at 11."

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 22:56 | 4730756 ShortTheUS
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We have gotten used to a European way of life with freedom of movement

 

The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:55 | 4731044 Ghordius
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plain wrong. we are talking about Latvians, here. it's not an illusion, it's a fact that they can move free inside the EU, and this is one of the EU's four freedoms which they appreciate very much, generally speaking

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 03:30 | 4731068 Haus-Targaryen
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How about we discuss the free movement of capital in and out of, say, Cyprus? 

(BTW -- free movement of capital is another one of the four pillars of the EU)

Know Thein Enemy --Sun Tzu

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 04:43 | 4731105 The_Prisoner
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Boom!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 04:48 | 4731107 Haus-Targaryen
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We won't hear back from him on this point. 

Pesky facts getting in the way of the Church of the European Union. 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:54 | 4731154 Ghordius
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explain to me what your point is

the original comment is: "We have gotten used to a European way of life with freedom of movement"

ShortTheUS replied: "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion."

my reply was "plain wrong. we are talking about Latvians, here. it's not an illusion, it's a fact that they can move free inside the EU, and this is one of the EU's four freedoms which they appreciate very much, generally speaking"

which part of my statement was wrong, in your opinion?

Your reply is about the fact that one of the four freedoms (of movement of capital) was suspended by the Cypriot government? WTF has this to do with Latvia? Or the freedom of movement of people inside the EU?

bring facts. your "Church of the EU" is just a juvenile trollish disinformative act of comment vandalism. prove where I ever defended a lie about what the EU is or is not if you can. and while you research what I have posted over two years you might notice that I'm not a friend of the EU as such, but this is again a different matter

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:00 | 4731185 Haus-Targaryen
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You referred to one of the Four Pillars (Jesus, I cannot believe I have to capitalize that now) and as ShortTheUS most astutely asserted – this right is only good until it no longer becomes profitable for those in charge.  Similar to Cyprus, who enjoyed the right to the free movement of capital until it became no longer profitable for those in charge, and it was thus suspended.  If the EU “had to” suspend the freedom of movement of people, or goods (think German exports) they could, as the president has been set.     The Four Pillars (ugh gag me) are more akin to suggestions than to actual pillars set in stone, and can revoked, or as you said suspended – at any time. 

What does it have to do with Latvia?  What these Latvians currently enjoy can be taken away from them at a moment’s notice, and not necessarily by the Russians, but by their own government”s” as well. 

The Church of the EU is a spot on analogy.  There is precious little tangible benefits that support it, its believers can normally not accurately articulate what those benefits are, and when confronted with facts that are contrary to their belief they drawl on, on some ad hominem about EuroSkeptics, or in the alternative, they start to assert their personal beliefs about “European Solidarity” or “European Unity” or some other nonsense, and use their personal beliefs about the project as a basis for its existence as opposed to evidence supporting it. 

Its sad really. 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:47 | 4732069 Ghordius
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In Cyprus it was the elected Cypriot President, backed by three pre-approved generic laws by the elected Cypriot Parliament who - against the advice of the Cypriot National Bank - suspended the free movement of capital

I wrote this quite often in ZH, if I have time for this I can give you links to the sources

yes, Latvians are the citizens of a sovereign nation that is member of the EU. perhaps you should realize what the EU really is

of course the Latvian's Four Freedoms are contingent on Latvia-the-nation-state upkeeping them

we aren't a bloody federation. at most, we are a proto-confederation

possibly this will lead to hate the EU more. or not. your feelings are yours

are you accusing to use ad hominems against you? and by the way, I dislike those euro-federalists you dub The Church of EU, and I find that in part you are a victim of some of their propaganda (or that part that is recycled by AfD 'cause there is nothing that works better than a lie from the adversary)

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:01 | 4730761 mendigo
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These countries are like old whores fearing the men will take advantage of them.

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:01 | 4730763 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Does Mr. Vejonis know what it means to be under DC?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 05:47 | 4730989 intric8
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Apparently not. These target countries are being led down the primrose path laden with candy apples and sugar canes that will eventually come out of their own napsack full of supplies. Thats the way it is when countries are beholden central banking that the fed res and imf have to offer. The initial temptation is attractive but the long term implications are frightening.

Russia senses all regional countries are being targeted by the west, so can anyone blame them for wanting to take a stand? Warbamas people are probably planning to create anti russian sentiment in other areas so that ukraine doesnt seem like like an isolated incident. They have the money and resources to pull it off. Imagine if the nsa has dossiers - dirt on many prominent politicians in these countries to coerce them further in case the payoffs dont work.

Just when we think we have things figured out and are guessing the next move, we realize that we are steps behind in the game. Ah, putin. Russia.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:04 | 4730766 JuliaS
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With such abundance of freedom across Eurasia, Snowden must've had a real hard time choosing an asylum.

/sarc

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:13 | 4730968 El Vaquero
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I think Snowden picked Russia because of something about a lack of extradition treaties and standing up to the US.  Or something.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:11 | 4730789 pods
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Maybe the policians are pimping themselves out for some IMF loot?

Has Nudleman been handing out cookies anywhere else?

pods

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:48 | 4730857 Hongcha
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Ding ding ding this round goes to pods.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:29 | 4730921 jeff montanye
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syria? syria just feels right.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:20 | 4730804 Millivanilli
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Si Se Puede!

 

The globalist want to destroy the nation state, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

 

Amnesty to illegal aliens, "an act of Love"  Jeb Bush

 

1/6 six mother fuckin Americans is on food stamps, but it is a god damn recovery.   

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:24 | 4730817 Son of Captain Nemo
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This is desperate Zionist Jew bullshit propaganda.

Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia at the end of the day will side with Russia when the NATO shit instigators "hit the fan hard"...

By the way where is Urmas Paet these days???

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:30 | 4730830 Polymarkos
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Thickwitted much?

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:27 | 4730822 The_Prisoner
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Get ready for freedom of movement, TSA-style.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:28 | 4730824 Polymarkos
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All those little countries SHOULD have created an anti-Russian pact, along with Poland and Finland. If they created a tight alliance, they might've stood a chance. Instead, they were pulling their puds hoping NATO would pick up the tab. Now they get to pay for their folly.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:50 | 4730860 25or6to4
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Agreed. Nordic, Baltic and Eastern Europe should all have their regional defense pacts outside of NATO. No sending of troops to such European theaters as Afganistan and Libya.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:42 | 4730927 HardAssets
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Rolling tanks is so old fashioned. Why would you want to destroy the resources and the debt serfs that are there to serve you ?  Much better to send in politicians & lawyers to steal their sovereignty. Conquest without destruction of valuable capital & you can get the enemies armies & police to do the dirty work for you without even knowing it.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 08:29 | 4731324 intric8
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Precisely. They dont need a sword, they can accomplish all of that with a pen.

They're robbing americans heavily through monetary inflation. Statist law after law is being enacted, from obama care to common core while other laws serve to protect the statists. Right under our noses.The sheeple are thus preserved as a viable means of production, ie serfdom, while being subjugated beyond redemption. We are close to the point of no return.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:53 | 4732093 homonohumanus
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You are completely blind to the "forces" behind EU.

All the pro Eu political leaders are betrayors to their country and people.

 

Why don't European countries with close languages and/or History do this or this?

That type of question makes no sense, they don't because there is EU and its mightful and dangerous promoters, its purpose is completely different than what people want or think it is.

 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:57 | 4730871 Rock On Roger
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Ya they'll pay

Nato will invade them

And IMF will demand

Blood for Money.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:42 | 4730847 CrashisOptimistic
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Moldova matters.

Latvia does not (Latvia?  It's 1000 km from Kiev).

Moldova's breakaway region would be the logistics source for forces taking Odessa, and make no mistake here -- if Odessa goes pro Russia the game is over.

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:59 | 4730873 BlindMonkey
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I don't see it like that. Moldova has 3 neighbors Poland, Ukraine and Romania. None of which would be keen on letting a significant number of Russians transit to Transnasteria.  More likely the staging point for anything going to Odessa is Crimea. It is a shorter distance and can also use marines on the amphbious ships there. My armchair assessment: Moldova doesn't mean nothing to nobody. 

Mon, 05/05/2014 - 23:55 | 4730866 Jack Burton
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 It is obvious that this war was planned long ago. Just the sheer scale of propaganda and how broadly it is spread across the western world shows that preparations have been long in the making. The absolute lust for war in NATO is something I failed to grasp until this Ukraine thing exposed it in all it's glory. I have spent much time reading UK and some other European news stories about Ukraine. I never fail to go through the comments sections to these obvious propaganda stories and what do I find? An amazing number, a majority in fact, of all comments see right through the lies and propaganda. Many people post demands that the lies stop, lots of people say they are sick of the lies aimed at creating war. I never would have believed so many people would not be anti Russian in their views, and I never could have dreamed a majority who take the trouble to comment on new stories claim to know these are lies and tell the newspapers to stop it. I read a Daily Mail propaganda piece today, DM is a war mongering rag, yet most British people who commented, over a thousand, most people were angry at the DM for the lies and war mongering lies.

People sense this is a made up crisis, it is made up by western elties so they can have a war and supress their own peoples in the name of national security. Have a war to spread banker power into Russia and put the USa as ruler of another country. Seems the world is not enough.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:01 | 4730879 BlindMonkey
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I have noticed the same thing by and large in both UK and U.S. sites.  It warms my heart that somebody has the presence of mind to call bullshit outside of a few fringe sites and pro-Russian ones. 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:07 | 4730890 Rock On Roger
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These lies to make war are absolutely disgusting.

The sheeple are awakening.

 

Stack On

 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:22 | 4730975 El Vaquero
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All of the Russian people whom I have met personally have been nice and courteous.  They have a wacky sense of humor and are not the trash that propaganda makes them out to be.  Russia certainly has problems if the dash cam videos are to be believed, but I have no desire to go over and kill Russians.  Putin could be the biggest psychopath thug on the face of the planet, with major imperial ambitions, and I would still view the Russian people as friendly once you get them away from the geopolitical bullshit. 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:29 | 4731230 Gavrikon
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"Putin could be the biggest psychopath thug on the face of the planet, with major imperial ambitions . . ."

I believe that honor belongs to the scumbags in Brussels.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:50 | 4731253 SmallerGovNow2
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Washington DC White House...

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 03:09 | 4731054 Ghordius
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"It is obvious that this war was planned long ago."

consider that all wars are planned in advance, and only a tiny fractions of the plans are ever used. but yes, this one was brewing over the last 10 years

"Just the sheer scale of propaganda and how broadly it is spread across the western world..." yes, yet "western world", in your case, is limited to "English speaking", isn't it? In the UK the propaganda is way more pronounced than in many continental countries

"Many people post demands that the lies stop, lots of people say they are sick of the lies aimed at creating war." bless 'em

"I read a Daily Mail propaganda piece today, DM is a war mongering rag..." ... with an archive full of similar pieces written for lots of previous wars, yes. This is quite common for British newspapers, and goes back to the times where those pieces were dubbed jingoistic

Fact is that the UK reverts very easily to it's "Anti-Russian" and "Pro-American" long-standing stance, and to a "Great Game" mentality for which the World is Never Enough (you did note how there is even a James Bond story/movie called "the world is not enough")

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 03:36 | 4731079 Haus-Targaryen
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I can tell you that the German propaganda machine is in full swing as well.

"Anti-Terroristen Eingriff" has been used to describe both the Berkuit (before the overthrow) and the Federalists in the east (after the overthrow). Moreover, ZDF has labeled the Maiden Protestors "Freiheitskämpfern" whereas the Federalist Protestors are labeled "Terroristen".

But hey, whats a little Orwellian double-speak between friends?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:15 | 4731143 Ghordius
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do you ever read British newspapers and compare them with German, French, Spanish, Italian, etc. ones?

of course propaganda exists everywhere. the question is how much, and how many lies are inbetween. it's a question of degrees

remember that the ZDF is mostly CDU oriented and ARD is mostly SPD oriented in their commentaries

btw your commentaries are seldom balanced, imho. aren't you culpable of the same sin you attribute to others?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:09 | 4731197 Haus-Targaryen
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Of course my arguments aren't balanced. I hate the EU, and am pretty open about it.

My point is re; propaganda is that all major German publications have taken the "Russians are bad" side of things, with a few notable exceptions, such as Junge Freiheit, this conflict sure does make interesting bed-fellows.

That to say, from Bündnis 90 to the FDP the slogan for the May elections is almost identical. "Stark für Europa"

The problem is the parties fail to assert why Germans should be "Strong for Europe" or why they are better off with the EU as it is than they would be without it, without reverting to this "solidarity/unity/war mongering" nonsense I discussed with you earlier.  If the EU is a grand plan to secretly do what the Wehrmacht couldn't -- then that's fine -- they should just say it and move Brussels to Berlin.  A Europe modeled after Germany would work a lot better than a Europe modeled after (pick any Latin country and insert it here).

Other than the AfD -- there is no EU opposition within Germany so to speak of, even though over 40% of the population wants to reopen the EU debate.

Back on topic though, in this Russian conflict, the Russian media is taking the pro-Russian side, which is clearly propaganda, as is the Western media. The difference being that RT shows videos of the conflict on the ground, and the best Western media can do is use 9 month old satellite photos, Photoshopped Photos (from the NyT), and using creative adjectives for people that want nothing to do with the EU.

The propaganda is horrible on both sides, but the Orwellian-Double Speak coming from outside is unbearable at this point.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:34 | 4731235 Ghordius
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"the Russians are bad" is simplistic. yet there are many reasons to castigate the Cremlin for it's recent exploits. my strongest accusation is about Crimea and the use of "plainclothes" soldiers without insignia, which imo is an insult and an attack to all national soldiers of the world and to all Geneva Conventions, nearly as bad as Guantanamo's neither civilian criminals nor Prisoners Of War status of "enemy combatant"

in fact, I regard both actions as war crimes. and as crimes against civilization

further, I hate quick-and-dirty "annexation referenda". Will that referendum ever be repeated? In a way that allows the Crimea Tatars to participate? Note that they boycotted it

there are many reasons for me that Germans and all the other europeans ought to be "Strong for Europe". Take the Baltic States. They are our allies. We all are honor- and treaty-bound to protect them from Russian aggression and undue influence. But "Strong for Europe" should also entail to explain to them that they also have a duty to protect the citizen rights of their own Russian-speaking populations

meanwhile your "problems with Latins" and your joking hyperbolic "the EU is a grand plan to secretly do what the Wehrmacht..." give me the impression that you are looking at europe with a bias that comes from elsewhere

propaganda comes in many forms. that's why I try to stick to facts and clearly labeled opinions, and oppose trolling

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:58 | 4731255 Haus-Targaryen
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Would you castigate Washington and the EU for either funding these people, or dangling the "join the EU" "carrot" (notice how I put both of those phrases in separate quotes) in front of them, knowing full well what would happen? Or would you castigate the Ukrainian government for the deaths of hundreds of its own civilians, at its own hands?  How many people died in the Crimean take-over?  How many people are dying now?  It seems like you are quick to castigate the side which has gone out of its way to avoid unnecessary death, while giving your own side, which has much blood on its hands – a free pass.   

Moreover, Russia stepping in and annexed Crimea when a Ukrainian Presidential candidate was arguing for a Russian/Ukrainian nuclear holocaust. I am sure you can envision why the Russians thought their only warm-water port was in serious jeopardy.

Give me one, objective, indisputable reason why anyone should be for a “strong Europe” (code for strong EU)?  No, “we are allies and allies make stuff good” argument you just used doesn’t cut it.  This is an economics and finance blog.  So, the ability to nail-down objective reasons why the EU is such an awesome project should be easy, if, it really is as great as you promulgate it is, rather constantly. 

I have no problem with the Latins, other than they have habitually proven incapable of running an economy that is capable of competing with their Asian, North American and Northern European competitors.  My problem with them isn’t with them, its that they have been yoked to economics that are very dissimilar from their own, and in order to keep the whole ship afloat, the Northern European economies are having to artificially retard economic growth, institute de facto transfer unions, and bail the Latins out to the tune of over 600€B (600 Millarden Euro) .. for what? 

Fact. German annual GDP growth from 1970 (nach der Wirtschaftswunder) to 1998 was ca., 2,5% per year.  Since 1999 and the introduction of the Euro (and thus fixed peg) its slumped to an average of 0,8% pA.  People in the North of Europe are sacrificing their quality of life for people that hate them.  This is my issue with the Latins, and its more with the EU than the Latins, as if the Latins could articulate their own monetary policy, I think they would be better off as well.   

EDIT - I just read your profile. You'll have to explain to me how someone can be a citizen of a "free trade zone."

Would that make me a NAFTA citizen?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:29 | 4732013 Ghordius
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I'd castigate a lot of people if I could. nevertheless

- I have no proof about who really paid "Euromaidan protesters". though at times there were more than 100'000 people there, clearly not all paid for

- "dangling the EU carrot" has been done by many people. mainly by US politicians, though, including to Turkey

- "strong europe" is not a codeword for "strong EU", it's about mutual defense, respect and european values

- Latins habitually proven incapable of running an economy? how far do you go back in this historic judgement? I strongly disagree with your artificially retard economic growth and de facto transfer unions or bailouts

- growth depends from the denominating currency

- read again. a citizen of a proto-confederation of sovereign countries. comparing the EU with NAFTA is silly

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 08:40 | 4731353 Lebensphilosoph
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..

 

further, I hate quick-and-dirty "annexation referenda".

 

Yeah, I bet. You prefer the long and drawn out 'let's ask the same question over and over until we get the answer we want' kind of multiple referenda that Brussel's loves.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:31 | 4732019 Ghordius
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oh, you are back. then answer me: will ever be a referendum in Crimea that the Crimean Tatars consider satisfactory?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 05:46 | 4731135 homonohumanus
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Well indeed obvious, Holllywood is way ahead of political and geo strategic moves it seems.

 

They have been trying to reinite the "cold war sentiment" and anti Russian feelings for years now, how many bad russians, ex KGB agents threatening US in those numerous shows depicting those invicible US police men from various organization (NCIS, CSI, etc.).

 

Realized that the other day... 

 

Putin and others are doomed because occidental propaganda is the best one, the fake ideals that are being pushed into the brains of the whole world are the one that encounter the least resistance, the easier ones. Hence people everywhere are losing understanding of their best interest and of the "real" world.

 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:05 | 4731139 MillionDollarBoner_
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Hey Natalia - is it really you?

Please, please, please let it be you !:o)

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:34 | 4731236 The_Prisoner
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Video explosing role of the junta in the Odessa massacre

In Russian, with transcripts. 

 

 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:00 | 4730874 JR
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QUOTE

Washington is so arrogant that it never occurs to the hubris-infected fools what the world thinks of Washington’s blatant hypocrisy.

Since the Clinton regime, Washington has done nothing but violate international law–Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Honduras, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia.

Does Russia have an Africa Command? No, but Washington does.

Is Russia surrounding the US with military bases? No, but Washington has used the NATO organization, whose purpose disappeared 23 years ago, to organize western, eastern, and southern Europe into an empire army with forward bases on Russia’s borders. Washington is determined to extend the boundaries of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization to Georgia in central Asia and to Ukraine on the Black Sea. Both Georgia and Ukraine are former constituent parts of both Russia and the Soviet Union.

Washington is doing the same thing to China and Iran. Washington is working to establish new air and naval bases in Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, with which to block the flow of oil and other resources into China. Iran is surrounded by some 40 US military bases and has US fleets standing off its coastline.

In Washington’s propaganda, this rank militarism is presented as “defending democracy.”

The Russian government continues to act as though Washington’s thrusts at Russia’s independence and strategic interests can be defused with good sense and good will.
But Washington has neither.

Since the Clinton regime, Washington has been in the hands of a collection of ideologues who are convinced that the US is “the exceptional indispensable country” with the right to world hegemony. Everything that Washington has done in the 21st century is in pursuit of this goal.

Washington intends to break up the Russian Federation itself. Washington funnels huge sums of money into NGOs inside Russia that serve as Washington Fifth Columns and work hand-in-hand with Washington to discredit Russian free elections, to demonize Putin and the Russian government, to spread anti-Russian propaganda and agitation. It is amazing how many Russians actually believe the Western propaganda.

Washington is also working to isolate China with the Trans-Pacific-Partnership, but at this time is primarily focused on destabilizing and isolating Russia. Washington is desperate to break up the BRICS, the emerging organization of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. With the largest countries and half of the world’s population, the BRICS organization is emerging as a political and economic power, especially with the organization’s plan to cease using the US dollar as reserve currency. Ringing Russia with US missile bases on Russia’s borders impairs Russian sovereignty and independence and, thus, weakens the BRICS as a countervailing power to Washington.

Many have been deceived by Washington’s propaganda. The world is slowly waking up, but is it in time?

The US media and much of Europe’s speak with one voice parroting Washington’s propaganda, demonizing Washington’s targets, and preparing insouciant Western populations for more war. The Western media, like Western governments, is devoid of integrity. Liars and whores rule.

--Paul Craig Roberts

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:04 | 4730883 g'kar
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Worst part of it all is they continue to ruin the lives of people in countries few know or care about. Nauseates the hell out of me.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:02 | 4730880 Bemused Observer
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They're probably afraid that if we go in there we'll give 'em a little payback for giving us Orly Taitz...

 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:13 | 4730902 Kirk2NCC1701
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<-- I expect War, and am Packing, Stacking and Racking.

<-- I expect War, and am buying stocks and bonds.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 00:57 | 4730949 JR
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If you are an American, you really need to look at these photographs so at least some of us then will have seen what our government has caused in a land far away for the greed and power of the few who use America in ways no different from the killers and tyrants of past centuries.

How Neo-Nazi Thugs Supported by Kiev Regime Killed Odessa Inhabitants. Photographic Evidence

The following text and photos were sent to Global Research. They indicate a carefully planned agenda to incinerate people inside the Trade Unions building.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-neo-nazi-thugs-supported-by-kiev-regime-killed-odessa-inhabitants-photographic-evidence/5380504

P.S. The number of killed people can be as high as 300. Most of people, especially children and women, were hashed with axes and clubbed to death with wooden sticks in the basement of the Trade Unions House.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:51 | 4730997 Rock On Roger
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This is terrible business.

 

WAKE UP EVERYONE!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:09 | 4731009 TruthInSunshine
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Al-CIA-da, and specifically, the 178th Nuland Liver-Eater Brigade strikes again!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:04 | 4731006 The_Prisoner
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Video of man shooting at people at windows of burning building.
He later identified himself as being from the Maidan

http://www.globalresearch.ca/%E2%80%8Bradicals-shooting-at-people-in-ode...

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 12:30 | 4732232 novictim
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The link is to a propaganda mill owned and operated by a Russian nationalist, Michel Chossudovsky. 

The truth comes from independent media.  The Russian Rebels have proven an enemy to the independent media which is all one needs to know at this stage.

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Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist. A professor of economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, Chossudovsky has been a visiting professor internationally, and has been an adviser to governments of developing countries. In 1999, Chossudovsky joined the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research as an adviser.[1] He is the author of The Globalization of Poverty and The New World Order (2003) and America's "War on Terrorism" (2005) and Towards a World War III Scenario: The Dangers of Nuclear War (2011).[1][2][3]

 

Contents

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Biography[edit]

Chossudovsky is the son of a Russian émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky (1914–2006).[4] Raised in Geneva, he is a graduate of the University of Manchester, and obtained a PhD at the University of North Carolina.[citation needed]

...In Mike Karadjis' 2000 book Bosnia, Kosova, and the West, Chossudovsky is referred to as a "pro-Miloševi? leftist", as well as accused of "systematically distorting events in Albania and the wars in the Balkans in the 1990s".[10]

Terry Glavin has criticized his 'mouthing Baathist propaganda on behalf of the regime in Damascus' and 'his outrageous services to police states.'[11]

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:11 | 4730962 syntaxterror
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Dear fearful, just hang a huge poster of Blowjob Barry in your living rooms (Hope is always a great poster choice) and pray to it. It works for the Free Shit Army. It can work for you.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 01:50 | 4730994 viedoklis_lv
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I'm from Latvia.

The situation here is that polititians are taking their political dividends by spliting society - but people don't hate each other at all. We work together - latvians and russians without problems.

And also we don't have such corruption and economic problems as Ukraine and that is the reasone why even russians speaking people don't want anything like in Ukraine at all - they don't want Putin here. Of course there will be some super minotiry extreemists - but where aren't they? So anyway - actually on the ground we don't have any fear or problem. It's politiciants who make this alert in order to be able increase military budget so that people accepte that social budget is cut.  And in the way take down those political parties that has sympathy to Russia. We have elections coming in autumn.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:44 | 4731032 JR
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How then to explain the people's dislike of Putin, as you say, with the resounding victory won in recent elections by the pro-Russian Harmony Centre with its alleged closeness to United Russia?

According to Wikipedia: “In the 2011 parliamentary election, Harmony Centre obtained the largest number of votes (28.36%) and seats (31 of the 100 seats), but remains in opposition, partly due to its political positions that are perceived by right-wing ethnic Latvian parties as incompatible with Latvian national interests and allegedly too close to United Russia, Russia’s ruling political party.”

On the September 2011 election, RT reports: “The victory, which stunned this Baltic nation of 2.5 million people, is all the more impressive when it is considered that about 345,000 Latvian “non-citizens” of foreign descent were not allowed to vote (The total number of registered voters in the country is 1,492,084, but only 826,219 actually took part in the poll, which comes out to be about 55 percent). The non-citizen status is mostly reserved for ethnic Russians and people of other ethnic roots who lived in Latvia since Soviet times but failed to meet the requirements for Latvian citizenship. These individuals have a residence permit, but are deprived of basic political freedoms.

“Harmony Center receives the bulk of its support from the Russian-speaking minority,” adding that “despite its big win at the polls, Harmony Center may actually fail to get a seat in the new government as the Reform and Unity parties are now in coalition talks.”

http://rt.com/politics/pro-russian-wins-poll-latvia-847/

Or that “on 1st June (2013) the residents of Riga went to the polls to elect a new City Council. The election came after four years under mayor Nils Ušakovs, the first ethnic Russian to lead an administration in the capital. Ušakovs secured another victory for his moderate Russophone ethnic party, Harmony Centre, and kept his post for another term…

"The 2013 municipal election…entrenched Harmony Centre’s dominant position in Riga. Harmony Centre’s electoral bloc with the local political party Gods kalpot Rigai! (Pround to serve Riga, GKR) won an impressive 58% of the vote, giving them 39 seats of the 60 seats in Riga City Council. Only two other parties made it beyond the 5% threshold: the right-wing nationalist National Alliance (17.8%, 12 seats) and the centre-right Unity (14%, 9 seats), both currently in the Latvian government. Ušakovs’s success in Riga surely will force other parties to reconsider about what to do with Harmony Centre at the state level, whose ongoing exclusion from national power is looking a less and less tenable strategy."

http://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/ssees/2013/07/03/losing-riga-losing-latvia/

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 08:44 | 4731363 Lebensphilosoph
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Quite right. In my experience Latvians are generally emasculated little homosexuals regardless of their racial origins.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:50 | 4731145 homonohumanus
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Always the same unreliable crap, the occidental media and government can say whatever the fuck they want.

 

Now for those with little brains here is the true situation, Russia is way better off now than under Yeltsin.

It is not perfect in anyway, Russia never been or any other country for that matter.

It is a crazy big land with various ethinicties and pretty desolated places though rich of resources. It always required a strong grip to handle, quite possibly always will. That is if the country continue to exist.

 

Under Putin there is still a lot of corruption, though Russians are protected a tad better. What the occidental propaganda presnet Russians (and other people in the same situation) is a fallacy.

If they get rid of the ruling guy they will have what they want, as the Americans and Europeans people (supposedly) do. 

That is not true, if guys like Putin falls, so falls the country coherence, even in its lacking which can be massive. The country will lose any weight on the international political scene. It will ultimately split. Resources will go the most aggressive and wealthy people and they may not be Russia. The further remote the rulers are the least likely the people can do a move against them and their interest / they are completely out of reach.

Nowhere in this world "good guys" are waiting at the door for a tyram or corrupt guy to fall. Good guys don't have it takes, nor on average want power.

 

The point is not about loving Putin blindly or at all, but the fake alternative to Putin (or others guys in other places that used to hold a difficult countries together), the dichotomy is not "putin"/"freedom". it is Putin/complete chaos.

People are presented with a fantasy world, where freedom and an easy life is around the corner.

Propaganda makes people think they run after freedom whereas they run toward more chaos. Chaos for other to leverage...

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 12:19 | 4732177 novictim
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"...Russia is way better off now than under Yeltsin."  Yes.

Japan is much better today than it was the day after Nagasaki. Yep.  

Which is to say that you have set a pretty low bar, homo.  And you are understating the corruption.  And corruption is INCREASING, not getting better.

What is the fallacy, again?  That came out unintelligible. 

Bottom line, Russia has the same problem that the West does, only much worse.  Corruption and an economy strangling level of Wealth Inequality.


Tue, 05/06/2014 - 05:35 | 4731133 DeliciousSteak
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Latvia and Estonia should be afraid. Their Russian minorities were put there by the USSR to destroy national identites in order to create the international worker's utopia. They are "safe" in the EU and NATO for now, but for how long? Given the opportunity Russia just might feel it's necessary to protect ethnic Russians who are discriminated and persecuted by the evil Balts.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:50 | 4732073 novictim
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The solution to all of this is for Russia and Russians to see themselves as Europeans.  They quite obviously are and have been through out the Czarist periods.

But instead, the Man Who Would Be Queen, Vladima Putin, has launched an unprovoked military operation against his largest Slavic neighbor.  He has sown bad-blood and hate between neighbors that would, under the best of circumstances, take DECADES to mend.  And there is every sign that this little nitwit is going to attempt a "Reverse Napoleon". 

History is not going to be kind with Russia's littlest Princess.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:05 | 4731173 buzzsaw99
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so glad owebomba is prez instead of mcINSANE. otherwise we would have bombed iran, syria, and russia too and all be dead by now. i think some of the extremist groups around russia would like to genocide the russian speakers given half the chance. can't undo ussr after effects in one day, besides, not our problem. leave putie alone! ( hitlery would love a usa puppet in russia but it will never work like that but she's too much the overheated cunt head to care whether it would or not)

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:31 | 4731234 BlindMonkey
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The thought of a President McCain should be used to scare the little children into doing their homework on time. He is a bloodthirsty freakshow.

However, I would have loved to have a VPILF. There could have been posters of her in teenagers' rooms all over the country. Couldn't do that with Biden.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 07:54 | 4731260 vyeung
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You dickheads deserve it. You think Washington is looking out for your well being. No they are only interested in their agenda. Soon enough the eastern European countries friendly with the West will know that they have befriended criminals and really dun give a rats rear what happens there. Only these gullible Eastern nations would listen to the cabal in Washington and EU.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 09:10 | 4731447 shovelhead
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Back in the USSR!

What makes everyone think that Putin wants a bunch of broke ass welfare states? Why do they think Putin is not happy collecting his gas/ oil revenues and trying to build an export economy?

Do they really think that someone who was in the highest levels of Soviet govt. when it collapsed is totally unaware of the negative cost/ return ratio of 'client states'?

Besides the fact that the US/ EU dominated media tells them that 24/7.

A lot of people are going to suffer because Obama/ Club Fed can't take their  beating like a man over Syria.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:41 | 4732051 novictim
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Really excellent and obvious points, shovel.
The Kremlin military advisers have very likely broadcast to the littlest Princess just what a costly and untenable disaster it would be to attempt to re-occupy former Soviet territories.

BTW: I am of the mind that all the crazy conspiracy talk here on ZH regarding the Arch Villain, USA, is just a paid Public Relations product. Factor that in to what ever you read here.

People cannot be as stupid as posts here might suggest, especially in light of all the revelations by Snowden (hero!) and others of ACTUAL US capabilities.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:48 | 4731870 Jano
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Antigovernment sentiment in Latvia?

EU is doing more, then enough to incite antigovernment sentiment in Riga, nobody needs Russsian minority to do it......

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 11:25 | 4731998 novictim
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And when wree you in Riga last?  How about you stop telling lies.  We could only hope that the EU was organized enough to even have a policy in the Baltics...but they do not.

No.  It is like this.  The former Soviet enslaved states have not forgotten their shitty time under Russia and Russians.  And more recently, Riga/Latvia, seeing the disgusting ass-licking that Czarina Vladima is getting from the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, has said "NO!", the Patriarch CANNOT gain a visa to Latvia.

The reality is that everyday people see a better life coming to them through the freedoms offered by the EU.  And the day to day lives of people who brush up against the corruption and extortion of Russian gangsters scares them.

But here on Zero Hedge, it is all about USA this and USA that.  The people of eastern Europe never see any but the occassional American tourists and those interactions are generally nice.

Regarding the US State Department, Nuland and the other incompetent monkeys employed by Obambam, isn't it obvious how out of their league they are? 

To say that the USA can do something other than offer blunt military assistance is not paying attention.

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