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Widespread Airplane Grounding Was Due To U-2 Spy Plane Flyover "Overloading" Air Traffic Computers
One of the more peculiar news from last week was the grounding of all flights for several hours at numerous airports in the Southwestern United States and the grounding of planes bound for the region from other parts of the country.
As so often happens when there is no specific reason at the time, the error was blamed on a computer "glitch" - the computer problem at a Federal Aviation Administration center slowed the journeys of tens of thousands of arriving and departing passengers at LAX.
Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, California, John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, California, and McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas were among other facilities affected by the order to keep planes grounded.
And that would have been all we heard of it had it not been for some additional digging by NBC which on Saturday, citing unnamed sources, reported a U-2, a Cold War-era spy plane still in use by the U.S. military, "passed through air space monitored by the Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center and appears to have overloaded a computer system at the center."
From Reuters:
Computers at the center began operations to prevent the U-2 from colliding with other aircraft, even though the U-2 was flying at an altitude of 60,000 feet and other airplanes passing through the region's air space were miles below, NBC reported.
Sources told NBC News the U-2 plane had a U.S. Defense Department flight plan. "It was a 'Dragon Lady,'" one source told NBC, using the nickname for the plane.
FAA spokeswoman Lynn Lunsford would not comment on whether the computer problem at the agency's center on Wednesday was caused by a U-2 flight.
"We aren't confirming anything beyond what we already said about it being a software issue that we corrected," Lunsford said in an email to Reuters.
Which probably will be the last we hear of it, even if this clarification raises additional questions: such as
- Was the US department of defense spying not on foreign countries, and judging by recent events in Ukraine there certainly is a lot of spying to be done, but on the western US?
- Are US air traffic controllers unquipped to think vertically?
- What happens to airplane traffic when the Amazon drone army is unleashed?
All question we are sure will be answered in due course.
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Bullshit.
First
A terrorist attack on our heroic air traffic controllers!
Somebody drone something!
Like a U-2 or SR-71 never flew over at 60,000 before??
WTF really happened?
what does Will I Am think about this ?
lol
I was wondering whether the U2 was flying over a certain altitude which exposed some computer glitch. Like... using a Short Integer for altitude in feet.
That IS the only thing that makes since. Otherwise, they were testing a new Electronic Warfare system and endangering the Plebeians. Thankfully, I gave up my "privilege" of flying because I don't want my testicles squeezed by some ogre.
Think it through.
You can't tell me a computer doesn't get fried from time to time at any major airport. So this grounds the entire LA sector, or the whole Southwest? Please, if the system is that fragile.........no, don't even start with that premise.
Could be a dry run for a lot of things, don't discount the ability to ground aircraft in an orderly manner in the LA area. Wasn't there a missile fired there awhile back that people mistook for a WEATHER BALLOON or something?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vandenberg. I was almost stationed there way back when.
It was Francis Gary Powers flying thru a rift in time or a wrinkle in the time flux or maybe I'm just having a senior moment.
Lucy.... I'm home!
There sure is a LOT of unusual bs flying around:
- MH370 disapers
- MERS/Anti-body resistant accelerating
- Brazil can't get ready for the Olympics (Don't laugh... how big of a hit would it be to a BRIC if the Olympics got pulled?)
- That Ukranie mess
- Ocare and the economy stalled
- Bankers getting offed
- Mexican military testing our Southern border
- Benghazi emails surface and the MSM yawns (AGAIN)
If it gets any weirder I'm gona start seling tickets.
Stop! You're going to remind the market that gold should be sold.
may be an unmanned drone go AWOL.
and Armed and Stealth and looking for target
Never attribute anything to conspiracy that can be explained by stupidity.
Pappy Bush used to say that very thing.
as if criminals and stupidity are mutually exclusive
It's the Amnesty International U2, with Bono at the helm, doing God's work.
I can answer a couple of those maybe
Was the US department of defense spying not on foreign countries, and judging by recent events in Ukraine there certainly is a lot of spying to be done, but on the western US?
U2's are based out of the southwest. They routinely make training flights that go up to Alaska and back
Are US air traffic controllers unquipped to think vertically?
the most likely answer was the U2's "encoder" was sending back the wrong altitude and/or the Center's radar was reading it wrong, making it display into the system at level that would be in conflict with other traffic. Controllers usually quickly get around this when they see it and call and ask the pilot his altitude. It probably was a software glitch in either the plane or the ground radar. "Center" radar also covers a very large area from a single location, so you could get most of So.Cal and Nevada effected by the computers freezing up at "LA Center"
You answer your own question. Try this - if U2s "routinely" use this airspace, why is this such a unique event? So unique it shuts down the entire region.
One helluva software glitch.Nope, ain't buying it. It was a test of some sort, either a dry run training mission on how to get planes down and safe in a hurry or a directed, localized EMP.
U2s were never mothballed, they are very useful in their updated version.
It could be a test of Electronic Counter Measures where they "spoof" the existance of other airplanes electronic signatures. Say ground radar picked up 20 or so planes in imminent danger of collision and devoted most of their resources to disentangling the mess. A bizarre input to a complex system can have unexpected results.
Still curious. Both Dragon Lady and ERAM were designed by Lockheed. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/eram.html
Makes you wonder what features Lockheed did embed into civilian system that a single plane could confuse traffic supercomputers to such an extent. Friend-or-foe identification or perhaps ERAM giving higher priority to miltary traffic thereby triggering re-routing for the entire area for civilian traffic, which in area that busy could cause an outage of some sort.
A plausible theory.
Would not doubt in the least that switch got accidental hit or left on, either by the pilot or ground crew that could screw up ATC computers. It's not as crazy as most people think, if you understand how civilian radar and airplane encoder system works.
AT @ T and Verizon cellular networks also reportedly experienced service losses at the same time. A website that I use in the course of my work (based out of San Diego) was ALSO down at the same time.
BULLSHIT on the U-2 story.
HMMM...
EMP 'beta test', or HAARP mistake, perhaps? Pure speculation (which makes a HELL of a lot more sense than a U-2 causing an issue because ATC computers couldn't tell it was at 60,000 feet).
Interesting... that's the first I've heard of other networks being down.
Stuxnet.
Ufo2.
Possibly. Stuxnet is nastier and more persistent than people realize. Open source mayhem.
http://vimeo.com/25118844
It was really Malay 370.
Another cover-up. OF a cover-up by the high-ups
Wake up people!
sarc, just in case
Was Bono doing a cross-country flyover tour?
I think Wi Tu Hi was flying this time
With co-pilot Soo Phuk Ting Upp.
Nope, he was in Colorado.
I though U-2s stopped flying decades ago. Who's plane is this really?
You can buy them on ebay.
LMFAO!
Yep. U2s were done in the 70s, SR71s were done in the 90s. It's all done with satellites now, unless there's a new top-secret bird since I got out of the loop.
Maybe it was a eBay U2, as suggested below...
B-52s were outdated in the 80s, remember? And the A-10 was supposed to be out of the service in the 90s, too. Shit, most of the "smart" bombs dropped in the last 25 years were made in the 70s & 80s. They just retorfit them with precision fins and updated, strapped on, guidance
Satellites can only "see" so much, and they are usually not capable of a multitude of electronics for evaluations.
U2s are still used in the Eurasian thatre, and I think the SR71 is also used on occasion.
SR-71's are retired. Unless they are lying to us about that too. Which of course is entirely possible.
Project Aurora ?
U2s were upgraded to the TR-1 in the '80s. The picture is of a TR-1. They now do the bulk of non satellite recon. Quickly mission adaptable.
Ex Lockheed ;-)
This could be Russian hackers beginning to make their presence and capabilities known. We could potentially see a lot more of it if the US/NATO continue down this insane path in Ukraine.
+1 plausible
My guess? "Software Upgrades" by likely offshored or H1B'd fucktards.
The tell?
"We aren't confirming anything beyond what we already said about it being a software issue that we corrected," Lunsford said in an email to Reuters."
Unsigned short Int will only take numbers from 0 to 2**16, or...
0 to 65,535
If there was no assigned 'greater than 65534, set to MAX' then that would cause a cascading fault.
FOR FUCKS SAKE... bah, nevermind. Dear FAA / GOV / whoever. STOP USING OFFSHORE FUCKTARDS PLSKTHXBAI.
-DE
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Veee have jur pilot, Gary Powers, veee begin negotiations after short interrogation.
To me this sounds like "Testing, Testing 1...2..3...."
And after word: Test Successful.
America is in the twilight zone!!!
ori
Speaking of Twilight Zone, maybe this is when they uncork some phony "alien invasion" as cover for the collapse.
Which aliens would those be?
The one's from Mexico or the other one's from Central America?
So can anyone explain why Cinco De Mayo is celebrated in the US?
Do the Mexican's celebrate July 4th, (US independence from Britain) in Mexico?
Cardassians
Bullish! Per Krugman anyway...
Just to see if they could do it
Over flights of the bundy Ranch...must monitor liberty lovers...
That plus the EPA is measuring all the global warming methane produced by Bundy's cattle so they can shut him down for being a climate terrorist too.
A case of troubleitis.
Lies, more lies and damn lies. It was really MH 370.
Okay, I'll bite. What is MH 370?
The missing Malaysian 777...
It is only missing to those not in on the scam.
Yeah, those of us in the know, the cognoscenti so to speak, know MH 370 really flew up Michelle's ass. It's lost, hard lost as the coterie whould say. Never to be seen or heard of again.
Know what I mean, Vern?
Thanks for a laugh and for teaching me 2 new words!
Thanks for not be brainwashed by the MSM!
The lost Mylasian airplane it's been in all the news,,,well maybe lost..
Brand new 7th season of Lost, pilot (chuckle) episode "MH 370"
They were probably live testing to see what would happen.
Russian or Chinese spy plane i bet
1 plane, of ANY kind, overloaded the entire air traffic control system? Malarky.
Smells like nonsense, yes.
Like I say below, this must be another onion piece. There is no way a single plane is going to bring down the entire radar/control grid (unless it was designed to do so of course).
"This is only a TEST" "We will neither confirm nor deny" "Blame Putin" "Angry passengers will be tasered" "They fried it, boss"
Well....at least they found the needle in the hay stack.
they found the bullshit on the shit farm...again
It stinks to high heaven and foul enough to gag a maggot off a gut-wagon.
Whatever the hell it really was, it's not a good sign for any of the systems and infrastructure our way of life depends on.
Our way of life is OVER and accelerating down. It was an illusion anyway...
"Are US air traffic controllers unequipped to think vertically?"
lol...apparently so.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
I still don't know what you are looking for.
How can you find what you're looking for where the streets have no name? They have no name, you can't find it!
I understand completely, NMEWN.
My first ex told me that I was SO 'two-dimensional'...
Or other possible reasons:
* Hackers took down a system, government decides to mask it by coming up with a story about a U2 plane.
* They needed to do a test run for an upcoming mission. Just so happens that LA area mimics the intended overseas target.
It does seem strange that they would be flying with all their equipment on while over the US. They would surely know that it was going to have an effect. Though of course I have seen similar types of electronic "friendly fire" overseas before.
LA= Faulse Flag in 4 3 2 1
LA cops monitoring Compton?
So maybe the citizens need to talk to the old Ruskies and learn how to take down a U2 and capture their own Gary Powers
Was Chris Christie the pilot?
Not sure a U2 could reach that altitude with him in it.
(Couldn't resist)
Yeah, but think of all the broken windows if they had opened the bomb bay doors and dropped him over LA.
The impact strike would have dwarfed the Chicxulub crater just off the Yucatan Peninsula.
And, Krugman would have been orgasmic.
What is this? Must be another onion piece.
This is a test.... this is only a test. In the case of a real grid down scenario local authorities will be assisted by fema and homeland security to establish a shelter in place... That is all.
Please continue to shelter in place until all PMs and guns have been confiscated and anyone of predetermined profiles have been collected and sent to said FEMA camps.
NextGen Selective EMP. Rather than the pilot just blocking his identity. he must have hit the kill switch.
Could just be incompetence.
What does this big red button do?
dono but let's turn our keys before we press it!
I'm going to hire someone to start my car from now on!!
"We aren't confirming anything beyond what we already said about it being a software issue that we corrected..."
Garbage in, garbage out. Why I don't fly anymore.
It is really amazing. The U2 has been around since the 1950's. And they have been stationed at A51 and Edwards, pretty much that entire time. Yet, this was the first time they ever flew into LAX airspace. That is quite a record. Otherwise this would have happened before, right?
I guess we are not supposed to ask even the simplest questions.
True, isn't it? Some of the "stories" or "Official tales" of the why's or hows or what would test a child's credulity.
Like they are makng up the global narrative for kindergardeners...
ori
They are so confident in their own propaganda that they don't try to hide things anymore.
Or they know the melt down is soon and don't give a shit.
This is the first time a U2 has flown in LAX airspace when the ATC software was written in Bangalore.
Harvaard, by my cousin,a long time ago.
Go long Bangalore torpedoes.
This message was approved by Charlie Munger.
They fly into LA airspace all the time. There's bunches of them in Palmdale at Lockheed going through re-work, the test flights at the range nearby and missions out of Beale that come down to use the test range.
good thing it wasn't a terrorist that would be bad. oh wait...
To be invisible, they have to make sure nobody is arround to see it.
Just a dry run, for Emperor Obama's coronation.
I'm on the horn with Bono as we speak
Total bullshit.
Source: electronics warfare officer in the navy.
This is an Absolute BILLSHIT story. It was probably the same Russian and/or CIA Assholes who shot-out the power station earlier in CA. U2's don't have radar jamming equipment. This is a cover-up, Government False Flag pure and simple. Something big is on the horizon and it includes taking down FAA Radar's. September 11th, 2001, comes to mind...
They're still flying shit from 50 years ago?
Where u been? The USSA is defended by 40's technology.
There are B52's being flown by 3rd Generation pilots. That sucker will go 5 generations before its grounded for good. I might guess, there is a fourth generation pilot out there in training or already in the cockpit.
Christ, the Shuttle was 1960's technology.
I've reviewed some STS blueprints that were dated 1970.
you hobbledehoys including you ZH always trying to spin a whole cloth out of a little thread.
http://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA806
https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA806/history/20140419/2050Z/KP...
So what the hell was that NASA flight doing. Chemtrails?
Just a side effect of mushroom syndrome.
Why does Debbie Downer always have to show up to poop on the party?
Next up, Debbie will explain away that back in the day the Yucatan water hole was not created by a ufo.
Heh, wrap your head around that one DD.
So they're looking for something in the bay area or LA? What's the point? Why the shutdown? What am I missing from your linked pages?
Recon on desert tortises.
Harry's concerned.
Grid pattern for mapping. Must tax every structure.
....or they lost track of a truckload of radionooky-ide smoke detectors.
They're still flying shit from 50 years ago? Right, when your defense budget is only 1 Trillion dollars a year you have to resort to keeping clunkers in the air...
who told you it was a clunker? for high altitude ops/science, it's still quite a pony.
Uh...you forgot about the B-52s ?
It's possible that the U2 was flying with the transponder off, which elliminates secondary radar information (altitude). The primary signal (bounce back of radar) does not make it possible to know how high the aircraft is flying. Without altitude information, the computers may have been programmed to assume all altitudes for that flight path and as a consequence of that assumption, re-route a lot more than is required.
This is Fight Club, and you're making a rational analysis.
Back off before you get called out.
and that was just an airplane spotted off the SoCal coast in November of 2010, definitely not a missile launched from a sub...
Jeff Spicoli ordering pizza?
"There sure is a LOT of unusual bs flying around:"
It goes with Joe Rogan's take on simulation theory. This is all evidence that this isn't real life. A guy named weener sends dick pics. The house leader is named boner and his skin is orange.
Sounds like a case of the Obama press team spreading paranoia.
You got to figure they fly these things from inside the US on their way to outside the US in commercial airspace anyways prior so why did this one cause computer problems this time and not the other times?
Smells like someone is spewing misdirection without knowing anything else.
So, a US senator can have a 200-man execution squad to Waco his own people, but the US civilian air traffic control system is a rat's nest of duct tape, chewing gum, used string, and bailing wire.
And don't forget $60 billion for the TS@, who has never actually caught a terr@rist.
Fuck me.
U-2 pilot tried to use his Target MasterCard for the IFE system.
I guessing either it was a 'test run' to veryify the capability of scrambling air traffic systems or somebody forgot to turn something off on the fly over.
I guess they're still using Atari 800s or commodore 64s.
Despite the grand theories of many, this likely has everything to do with a software error and nothing to do with an active device aboard the U-2. It is common for flight plan data to be limited in character string length and if it is exceeded, then the software has to deal with it. My guess is this software, which happens to be fairly new, could not deal with it in a forward fashion and gummed up everything as it sought the resolution. But the more outrageous theories serve a purpose to reinforce the tribal belief system, so we tend to accept them in the absence of rational explanation. My guess is this was a snowball of ground based software errors. The fact that it was a U-2 on a persumably l-o-n-g flight plan to who knows where...just fuel for the fire. The odd thing is many UAVs like the Global Hawk fly similarly long missions but likely file differently than manned missions. Regardless, this isn't the first time the U-2 has been in this airspace, just the first time the computer would have been confused by the data associated with the aircraft. combining that with new En Route Automation software and voila...
Besides, the U-2 doesn't have the aux power available to carry an active package that would be capable of messing with the systems described.
Also this still doesn't explain the east coast groundings. If it was one plane some airports inbetween should have been affected also including IAD.
Yeah, sure.
I added a "flux capacitor" to my 1962 Rambler American and it messed up the speakers at all the Carl's Juniors and Hardees!
I put a whirly bird hat on my dog and it spooked all the birds.
I put apocalypse illuminati game card in my bicycle spokes with a clothes pin and all the grasshoppers became very still.
thanks for those, good to laugh sometimes. . .
here's an-other:
this ZH post time sig? look UP ^^^
my god
ohh the humanity
thelema get jack bauer on his mobile car con fone.
looks like we got a pilot who has converted to islam at 60k feet.
he is heading back down to earth.
god damn alqueda.
pray for the innocent jews that may die.
How about this for an idea: It was some sort of test run designed to flood, confuse and therefore to immobilize air traffic control systems. Question is, how did military air traffic control systems handle this event?