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Russia Accuses Kiev Of Committing Genocide Of Russian, Ukrainian People
Russia has made its first official comment following the latest escalations in Ukraine - and they are not peaceful-sounding - "We are dealing with the real genocide of both Russian and Ukrainian people,” said Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin, adding that Russia was shocked by the massacre in Odessa and mourns the victims together with their families. His words went further as he warned the perpetrators "will get what they deserve from their people." The words though, have now been followed up by actions... as RIA reports that Russia’s Black Sea Fleet "will get new submarines and next-generation surface ships", Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday, voicing his concern at the increasing maritime activity of the US Navy.
Russia's first official response to the escalation in Ukraine and the disaster in Odessa... (via RIA)
The latest episodes of violence in Ukraine constitute a genocide against the Russian and Ukrainian people, Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin said during a Balkan forum Tuesday.
“We are dealing with the real genocide of both Russian and Ukrainian people,” said Naryshkin, commenting on the tragic events in Odessa on May 2, when 46 federalization activists were killed in clashes.
He added that Russia was shocked by the massacre in Odessa and mourns the victims together with their families.
“In the 21st century such things happen not only due to the fault of a bunch of political adventurists – they are not worth much on their own, they will get what they deserve from their people. The main problem is that the horrific truth is being kept from the whole world,” Naryshkin said.
According to the speaker, Kiev’s authorities initially based their policy on civil confrontation. They have now demonstrated their unwillingness to find and punish those responsible for the numerous crimes that have been committed in Ukraine in recent months, he added.
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The Russian Foreign Ministry called the events a result of the “criminal irresponsibility of the Kiev leadership indulging insolent nationalist radicals, including Right Sector, who are staging a campaign of physical terror against supporters of federalization and real constitutional changes in Ukrainian society."
And then appears to be taking action as The Black Sea Fleet gets reinforcements...
Russia’s Black Sea Fleet headquartered in the Crimea region that recently reunified with Russia will be beefed up with a slew of next-generation warships and submarines, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday.
“This year, our sea bases will host new air defense and marine regiments,” Shoigu said.
“This year, the Black Sea Fleet will get new submarines and next-generation surface ships, and all of this requires our immediate attention,” the minister said during a conference call.
The general underscored that Russia has always “lent all the necessary forces” to the Black Sea Fleet, but Crimea’s accession to Russia required it to amend the fleet’s development plan.
Russia has recently voiced concern over the increasing maritime activity of the US Navy in the Black Sea after the Pentagon dispatched its frigate USS Taylor to the region together with the command ship USS Mount Whitney.
The clock is ticking and sanctions are doing nothing. The days of diplomacy - it would seem - are long gone - as Lavrov warns...
WOW - Lavrov says Ukrainians who support and who oppose Kiev's "regime" will live in ONE country. pic.twitter.com/a6fCbuXDOd
— Leonid Ragozin (@leonidragozin) May 6, 2014
Those curious what the next event catalyst will be, look no further than May 11, when the Donetsk independence referendum takes place, assured to be a carbon-copy of the Crimean vote.
A sneak preview of the ballot paper for Sunday's referendum on Donetsk's independence pic.twitter.com/2ZiZWuMxQM
— Guy Chazan (@GuyChazan) May 6, 2014
But, as Russia Today just reported, the US has already said it will not recognize the referendum vote just like it did not "recognize" the Crimean vote, even though Russia couldn't give a rat's ass about that (unless, of course, the east votes against independence, which at this point appears unlikely).
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TY Volkodav, I have very close family friend from Ukraine (Dnipropetrovsk area) that I grew up with and a very good friend in university from Russia so I've picked up things over my life that are much different than the media or schools project them to be. I appreciate your percpective around here on these boards.
Most of the Russians, Ukrainians, Serbians that I've met and got to know might not have been friendly at first but once I got to know them...I had some wonderfully good conversations that really made me think differently, and the older ones...lots and lots of food and so welcoming!!!
This situation going on now deeply saddens me.
The pursuit of communism by Lenin and Stalin and their Bolshevik enablers is one of history’s worst economic and social disasters: millions shot but many more millions also starved.
This brings to mind “Ghosts of the White Night” by Peter Savodnik, and its depiction of the dreaded Solovetski islands on the White Sea, the haunted ground of the Soviet gulag. Is this to be man’s fate again--the most awful killing field in the Soviet empire--"the mother of the gulag," as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn put it--singled out for their ghastly killing mission because of their isolation.
"A place with no connection to the world," Solzhenitsyn wrote. "A scream from here would never be heard,"—the Solovki, the remote islands in the frigid waters of the White Sea, in the 1920s and 1930s where hundreds of thousands of innocent “enemies of the revolution” were shot, starved and tortured.
Solzhenitsyn, ostracized by the US media and US presidents so as to keep Americans in ignorance of communism, would weep at the flippant mockery of the Russian people's suffering at the hands of the Bolsheviks—a suffering soon to engulf the United States if the current government is not removed.
Solzhenitsyn left America disillusioned, and observant Americans can begin to understand why. To think of the millions of beautiful people who died under the worst butchery and inhumanity to man that cruelty has ever devised, and, economics aside, their silent screams and suffering to be besmirched and covered up again by the likes of the New York Times,is one of our era's greatest evils. And theTimes still is depicting and protecting the memory of the Soviet Union as a workers’ paradise.
And, now, if not stopped, that same "paradise” is on its way to the US, courtesy of the descendants and media of these same Bolsheviks.
“Governments are not moralists,” wrote Solzhenitsyn. “Governments never imprisoned people and executed them FOR having done something. They imprisoned and executed them TO KEEP THEM FROM doing something… They imprisoned all of them TO KEEP THEM FROM telling their fellow villagers about Europe. What the eye doesn’t see, the heart doesn’t grieve for.”
Fortunately, there are many who still live whom the evil banker-controlled American/Israeli Empire cannot KEEP FROM TELLING… and ACTING.
I was with you all the way up until the last sentence.
Let's disempower governments and then none of the other conspiracies work.
I wish the Ukrainian people well sorting through this mess. History says there is about a 90% chance that some sort of autocracy will emerge. The most brutal will win.
Russia has never been run for the benefit of the Russian people. Who are you trying to kid besides yourself?
Stalin was Georgian and Kaganovich, responsible for administering the collectivization in Ukraine, was Jewish. So were many of the other Bolsheviks. The Russians were as much victims in the Holodomor as Ukrainians
Thank you for pointing out that Russians suffered as much as any other people in the USSR, and that Stalin and Khrushchev were not Russians.
Red herrings are really flapping hard up in here today.
Most people that burned in Odessa trade union building reportedly had gun shot wounds to their heads and then had napalm sprayed on them to conceal the crimes. Then fire consumed them.
No, you've got it all wrong. The WSJ has it all figured out. What happened was those pro-russian guys ran into the union building and then dropped molotov cocktails on themselves. Dumb luck, that. You can't make this shit up - oh wait, I guess you can.
A horrific fire that killed dozens in a hulking Odessa building where pro-Russian protesters had taken cover was likely sparked by rebels on the roof who accidentally dropped Molotov cocktails, according to a preliminary investigation by the government.
To me, the Russian revolution is a unique opportunity for the world to learn valuable lessons about tyranny, political duplicity and unspeakable violence by man against man, against masses of innocent, voiceless people by the State. And that includes a statist media monopoly... of which we have.
@Belrev
Link?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-neo-nazi-thugs-supported-by-kiev-regime-killed-odessa-inhabitants-photographic-evidence/5380504
Napoleon wasnt French. Hitler wasn't German. Look! Red herrings!
Napoleon and Hitler were however E1B1B1 haplogroup Y-DNA. That is a fact.
The ethnic Ukrainians are being incredibly stupid. The similarities with the Russians are so much greater than the similarities they share with the West. And one day when Eastern Europe actually starts to thrive again (which may be sooner rather than later considering the demographics in Asia all around) they are goingt o face the same problems the West currently faces with Islam and the blatant failure of immigrants into the region to adapt to the culture of the region. Russia will fight those threats and win, Ukraine aligned with the West will remain as it has been for the last 25 years... a desolate wasteland of broken dreams and corruption where the masses can only hope to live in a housing project funded by a government who only wants more power for themselves. They would be wise to burn Kiev to the ground and forget their failed nationhood project.
... a desolate wasteland of broken dreams and corruption where the masses can only hope to live in a housing project funded by a government who only wants more power for themselves. They would be wise to burn Washington to the ground and forget their failed nationhood project.
Fixed that for ya. You're welcome.
Demolish (rather than burn) the old Soviet-era apartment blocks, but leave central Kyiv intact please. Pretty spectacular (and interesting) architecture there.
Mind you, somce of the "newer" apartment blocks ain't so grand either - or rather the construction standards are pretty shoddy. I'll be surprised if they outlive the "old stuff".
Kiev govenrnment proclaimed today that independence referendum on May 25 is illegal because it cannot be held under the barell of a gun, but they will hold presidential elections on that day - and that is legitimate.
Link?
Is the referendum in Donetsk Oblast not this Sunday the 11th? Ukraine presidential and parliamentary elections on the 25th?
I thought the 25th has presidential elections and not for parliament?
ahhh you may very well be correct! I assumed presidential and parliament would be the same date (maybe not).
“The referendum planned by the separatists on May 17th is considered illegal by Kiev, America and Europe. The likely scenario is that Putin will respond by recognizing the referendum as legitimate. Then comes May 25th election to replace the interim government and the non eastern part of Ukraine will vote for a pro-Western leader.” (4 hours ago)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elena-ulansky/georgia-russias-template_b_5269938.html
Considered "illegal" by those with an axe to grind, and / or "interests" in the outcome.
If the people of Donetsk choose to shack up with the Russians, that's their inalienable right. Last time I looked, the USA was certainly not part of Ukraine, and I don't suppose the people of Donetsk (and elsewhere) could give a toss as to "American" opinion.
Announce the direct U.S. gas pipelines to Europe already. sheesh.
What good would U.S. gas to Europe do when the market for future purchases of Gas is in IndiaRussiaChina? We would lose out on a Euro gas deal with the failed E.U. You want to see a win win for the U.S.? Build the keystone pipeline and ally with Russia and India against China. A new superpower in a regenerated Russia would not be a bad thing so long as we are not enemies. I would say the competition would be grand for our people in terms of renewed investment in technology and a race for further exploration of space again. People who are against Putin are not making a lot of sense.
Just for the sake of argument, why not have the US ally with China against Russia? That seems more plausible, if you abolutely have to play armchair statesman (aka Risk). The Russians and the US have a history of bad blood between them; the US and China have been on mostly friendly terms diplomatically and extremely friendly terms in trade since the Reagan era. A US/Chinese alliance against Russia could open up new strategic possibilities like undermining the Russian regime while pushing on it from both sides militarily and diplomatically. The Chinese could use some Russian territory, mineral resources, and women, and an invasion would give them all three. The European Union could annex the remains of western Russia after disarming it and reducing it to a Morgenthau-esque "agricultural and pastoral character." Each remaining zone (pan-Asia, North America, and Europe) would have its own industrial and agricultural base, and everyone could be very happy, except perhaps the former Russians.
I would believe a AMERICAN-RUSSIAN-SAUDI-PERSIAN-BRITISH-FRENCH -CANADIAN league of nations advancing bravely together
I like the way you think, but you seem to have overlooked the Hutu and Tutsi components of your proposed alliance. Perhaps India and Pakistan could be induced to join as well.
If you are offering free beer, Australia will be keen to join up too.
The locals have a good "fighting spirit" (see any google link to King's Cross Sydney for further details).
The simple answer is Russia, and India with their combined populations are 1.382 billion. The population of China is 1.351 billion, with ukraine's population inevitably thrown into the mix that makes the alliance between russia and india close to 2 billion. Considering China is an unknown in the grand scheme of the future and also considering their past in the 20th century, they seem more likely to be an adversary than an economic ally to all of the parties involved. Also, considering the population of the U.S. is only 350 million, I doubt we can cling to our superiority in the world very much longer. The future rests with Asia, and they will not rise peacefully. I give North Korea 5 years tops before the Chinese get tired of them and Taiwan might as well just vote to join China now. The reality her though, is that Russia China and India are already aligning themselves against the West. That makes close to three billion people against NATOs APX. 900 MILLION. We lost already.
Russia only has 143 million people, not too many more than Japan. India has 1.237 billion. If strength lies in numbers, as you suggest, why wouldn't it be to India and China's advantage to turn on Russia and seize some living space, agricultural land, minerals, and women? If the future rests with Asia, how long are the Russians, with their unsustainable demographics that, despite a blip up out of negative growth, tend towards the negative, going to seem like good future allies rather than good future prey to the rest of Asia?
China's already tired of North Korea. They haven't done much about it, though, except to leak documents detailing plans for what they'd do in the event of the collapse of the NK regime, however much it would be a shame if something were to happen to their lately inconvenient and insufficiently obediant puppet.
We live in the age of two titanic cycles of history: (1) the decline of the West into a super debt cycle collapse, and (2) the rise of the East (Russia, China, and India).
The US is violently striking at the East to try to maintain its position. Syria and Ukraine are the fault lines between the East and the West. The EU will likely not break free of the trap set for it by the US and will remain a vassal of the US.
The US will only prevail by destroying much of the world. Except for a great war the East will rise and the West will decline.
Russia is dying demographically at a blistering pace. Did you enjoy the Potempkin Olympics show? The rapid decline of a paranoid nation like Russia presents a huge danger to healthier part of the world. Russia will be lashing out and doing deals with the worst nihilistic dead ender fucks on the planet. Expect a container nuke to destroy some port cities pretty soon. The soviet empire produced a shit ton of plutonium and bomb engineers.
All they produced were engineers, period.
And no 'classical' education neither. Forget the Trivium and Quadrivium, it was strictly engineering studies.
"Classical" Currently middle age Russians under last of Soviet studied even western classic like Dickens and others in both Russian and English....
otherwise, yes they have engineering, physics, programming and other degrees also...
How soon do you think China will grow tired of South Korea? They are such a source for peace and all.
Shitballs!
The Korean and Viet Nam wars were both wars against China. What bullshit you spew. Are you part of the "Pivot" team? If so, fuck you.
why would anyone annex, ever, any area from russia? they are really poor, have an old industry and a lot of uneducated people.
Maybe ucraine should give russia those industrial cyties in the east, all of them are bankrupt. Then putin has to pay salaries, everything. See then.
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Russia and China share a border. That means if they go to war, a lot is at stake for both sides. But if they go to war w/ the US, China will get Taiwan, parts of Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Singapore (in their Sphere of influence). The City of Vancouver. (thats a joke right there)
Thats a lot richer prize than Vladivostok, Irkutsk, and Kazakhstan in their Sphere of Influence. All the oil is in West Siberia, and thats a bridge too far for China to invade, IMO. see Napoleon, Hitler.
"Russia and China share a border. That means if they go to war, a lot is at stake for both sides."
No offense...
But before you make a statement like that you should investigate the border in question.
The Russian side of that border is Novisibirsk. Just research that term in conjunction with the words 'travel' or 'invasion' and see what you get.
The China side of that border is, XinXiang province - a big desert filled with disgruntled ethnic minorities.
Nation-States do not have friends. They have interests.
That is true of the US. That is becoming true of the EU as they become more of a nation. That is true of Russia. And it is certainly true of China.
One other thing all nation-states have in common:
They are all run by Sociopaths.
Actually, there was a short-lived, undeclared war between China and the USSR back in 1969. They were fighting over borders, because Mao believed that Siberia was Chinese territory wrongfully stolen from China in the nineteenth century.
The Chinese don't need a military invasion, though. They're already pouring over the border as undocumented immigrants. Meanwhile, the Russians have problems sustaining a population: they don't have nearly enough children. On one side of the border are still six and a half million Russians in the Far East; on the other, at least until they cross over, are a hundred million (and growing) Chinese. The Chinese are on the way to becoming the dominant ethnic group in Siberia and the Far East, and it's not a question of if they will be, but how soon. Maybe they'll even bother holding a referendum.
Excuse me.
But a space elevator providing onward service to the moon and mars is more technically feasible than a pipeline across the atlantic.
And that's the truth.
There will be no massive energy from the US to the EU. (at least not gas, and if oil, then temporary and in tanker volumes and not pipeline volumes).
Interstate Highway US6,000,000 connects US to UK.
How can the russians allow US ships to be based in Odessa and not assume a blockade at some point in the future for their port in the crimea? - no matter what agreement is signed this US footprint of operatives and systems will continue to expand if they have any real estate in the south or east
how do they protect their own country if this goes unanswered in the Ukraine
They are not worried because the US is at the limits of its power. There is not enough industry or tax base left to make it any bigger.
Odessa is a common ancestor
Surprised Russia isn't accusing the US of committing genocide.
Kiev is only a pawn, Vlad.
Maybe on Friday?
Before the markets close.
Its not who, its
Genocide.Genoocide is the word that starts it.
Long butter, Long salt, Long sugar and a goat and not paper so.
Sharpen your pitchforks.
Storm the castle.
Frankenstein must die.
I hope the Ukrainain people will also learn from the Syrian crises and say:
"Fuck you Obama"
The events I am about to recount are 100% accurate. I only say this because the following conversation must be so cliche to many ZH readers that many may see it as a complete fabrication as it so closely follows the narrative set forth by Tyler and many of the posters here. The following is true, my only hope is that it is not indicative of the current sate and mentality of our military, though obvious evidence and arguments can be made that this mentality is indeed the sad state of affairs we live in:
Went to my local bar today just looking for a buzz and some lunch. Had another regular stop in that I had talked to in the past sit next to me at the bar and started up a conversation. He tells me he is a staff sgt. in the army reserves that runs a legal consulting company that gets govt contracts because of special consideration for being veteran owned, and is still in the reserves at 40. So I ask him, if the army decides to call him up and send him to Ukraine would he question it? His response, "I'm an oppurtunist, I have five kids I pay child support to and never been late with a payment. I have two houses and a brand new car. I'm an oppurtunist and I'm gonna do whatever I have to do to live."
Now, luckily I was not at my normal point of inebriation at this time of day or I would not have been able to hold my tongue, but I do enjoy the bar and would like to continue patronizing it without being thrown out of the place so I quietly left to rant on these pages. He would gladly follow orders to kill other human beings simply to keep his baby's mama off his back. All I could think to myself is please, if there is a God, do not let this one individual be our representative soldier.
Best thing you could do. We cannot talk people out of the matrix. They have to learn and see it themselves.
You can always drops hints that'll make 'em think of what you said days later. For example, when I was your age a large draft was less than a buck.
"Best thing you could do. We cannot talk people out of the matrix. They have to learn and see it themselves."
So very true, American schools convince Americans they are educated and they are far from it. I talk to many Americans and generally come away with "how can they not possibly know this?" It is pretty scary how uninformed the average American really is. In fact a large number of Americans are the same types who genocided the indians and stole their land. The GI wanted to keep his car and make his child payments, the settler wanted his free homestead. It dicn't matter who was in the way. I am afraid this attitude is endemic tyo western man.
all you have to do is read the comments here and other sites and how the murkin fervor kicks in when talking about who can kill who.
Y'all seem very proud of your ability to kill people close up or far away.
'do not let that one individual' .....too late. All you have to do is look at the massacres in Iraq and uh, Iraq, and Afghanistan to see how most soldiers are perfectly OK with killing other people, women and children included. And this was TELEVISED and the public did shit.
There were many anti-war protests back then, it's just that they all went away after Obama.
If you think the 'who can kill who' game is limited to the 'Murcans' as you put it, then you've had one eye closed.
Now consider how many soldiers, once they get back Stateside, end up joining the local police force / Federal 3-letter violence enforcement agencies.
That is what I did, after the army became a banker, then a social worker and then joined the Border Patrol where I retired. I really never liked violence however and didn't think the Vietnam war was such a good idea. Back then draftees were a cut more intelligent than the average soldier you see today.
I have seen a certain portion of law enforcement who should not be wearing badges, it is too much for them to handle. On the other hand I was fortunate too work with some great people. The average law enforcement type I worked with were not at all in favor of gun control either.
The average immigrant, especially from Mexico is just trying to surivive. They are not all gang bangers and dope runners. There is a certain percentage of them who advocate la raza, the retaking of America but not the majority, they just want to live. Some of them I had more respect for than the average American. They are mostly part indio also as they are discrimated against and routed in Mexico by the "whiter" Spaniards who are stealing the place blind, what is left of it. I think there will be a unification of Mexico and the US, it won't be due to compasison howevr. Mexico sits on an ocean of silver deposits.
I have watched a lot of old friends die lately and many more tell me there are not at all unahppy to be near the end of the line the way things are going, they just feel sorry for the younger people.
You lost me advocating a conscripts superior intelligence to a professional soldier. I have to presume that only applies to the wet brained, potato fed irishmen.
@jafa1850
Thank you. That is exactly why every time I hear someone say American troops or cops would never fire upon or intern american citizens I cry bullshit. Yes, let's hear how someone with three kids soon to be going to a university, a mortgage, 3 car payments, a few years away from forever retirement is going to throw it all away to live underneath a bridge for "freedom". I would love to be a fly on the wall when he explains that one to the wife.
I am glad that you held your tongue because that shows some class. I like the fact that you observed what was going on around you and put it into words so well. Thank you for the post.
Just chemtrail a ton of LSD over eastern Ukraine and let them hug and fuck in peace …
Brought to you by MKUltra ®
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
I Can't wait till you talk about monarch programming
How many grams of LSD would the region need? 2 maybe 3 or would that be a OD, GIVE EM 20.
Remember communistic Russia was set up by freemasons.
“History would be a wonderful thing – if it were only true.”? Leo Tolstoy
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI
and we could stop all fake fighting if we expose Them to the world. Get rid of the esoteric mystery schools those who suppress enlightenment to everyman and rule by secrecy and that which brought religion to the world.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AGKfbCKDE
$25 million buys over 100 million dead.
The genocide of Russia's oligarchy.
Yes, it is possible to murder an entire oligarchy (hmmm...).
The Russian people will never forgive or forget.
There is a history in Russia that pre-dates the Soviet Union.
You may ignore it, but that doesn't wish it away.
I think you have that backwards. The US was set up by Freemasons. Although Bakunin was a Freemason, the Communists in general were opposed to esoteric and mystic mumbo-jumo, and the fourth Congress of the Communist International declared the Freemasons incompatible with Communism, which resulted in a ban on Freemasonry across the Communist bloc.
The current meme about imposing a 30% tax penalty on the Russian banks is a backdoor way to not having to impose any further sanctions? Any further " news" from this point is complete DOOM PORN!
Imagine being in MIC, fighting and risking your life, for those 10 top assholes on The Hedge list.
Make a list.
No hyperbole in that statement....
Donetsk is about 40% Russian.
The Ethnic Ukrainians are split somewhat between Russia and Euro-Centrism, with the balance being for Euro-Centrism.
The result of a vote in Donetsk is a toss-up because while Ukrainians/Russians are split 60/40 in Donetsk, the Ukrainian vote is also split there.
In Ukraine generally, government corruption is (and always has been) such that election results have always been suscpect. I mean there's no way to tell if the election result is the will of the voters or of the vote-counters.
These referendums seem to have one thing in common - no one is willing to let a national election happen.
If they think the vote might be corrupt - that is a valid concern. However, WHAT ELSE IS THERE? Other systems are even EASIER to corrupt.
If I were Russia I would want this to resolve itself quickly, and stop threatening Russia's Oil and Gas income.
If I were the EU I would want this to spiral out of control - so that I could get what I want by volunteering constituent nation's troops to the UN to resolve things (to the EU's satisfaction - not to the Ukraine's)
If I were the USG I would be anxious for Ukraine to draw people's attention away from my other illicit affairs.
Very interesting.
You know, a lot of Russians were not so hot on hard communism even though they were Russian. I have listened to lectures by defectors.
What strikes me as interesting is that it is kind of assumed that virtually all ethnic Russians or Russian speakers favor Putin. All others want the current Ukrainian regime.
I wonder if that is the case. Perhaps they want something free of both sides but mainly free. If it is like most populations the vast majority in the middle just want to avoid bloodshed and corruption and go on trying to make a living. They are probably relatively apolitical and do not spend a lot of time hating one group or another.
Obama has committed genocide against fair and equal trade, capitalism, wealth, business, and income equality. He has also committed atrocities against US foreign influence and dominance.
He has done very well at spreading drone strikes that kill women and children and spreading poverty.
owebomba isn't prejudiced, he kills women AND children
And finished off - what was left of it anyhow - the constitution. USSA is now in the death grip of tyrants. Good luck to the brave that will hopefully re-free the land again.
Things are heating up. US / Kiev doing everything possible to escalate.
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Ukrainian army may use rockets against protesters in Slavyansk - local militia
'The Ukrainian army has placed multiple-launch rocket systems near the city of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine in preparation for an imminent attack on pockets of resistance held by pro-federalization activists, local militia said Tuesday. "We have reliable information that Grad MLRS have been deployed between Slavyansk and [nearby city of] Kramatorsk," a militia spokesman told RIA Novosti.
The use of Grads will most certainly cause massive casualties among the population as these systems have a devastating area effect. "It will be a heinous crime. We hope it will never happen", the spokesman said.'
No,
The US is not really escalating until they use the NSA to block transmission of "Ice Age". Soon after they do that Russian women will force a settlement.
This sounds like a familiar script book. I say 'regime change' The evil dictator is killing his own people. Kadaffi, Assad, SDH
Another familiar script can be found in Hungary, 1956. Interestingly similar talking points from Pravda at that time.
Don’t miss the cutlines connected to the tragic photos of the Odessa fire as they confirm this event was a planned terrorist attack on pro-Russian protesters that only intelligence experts such as the CIA could have produced.
The photos prove that some Kiev thugs were pretending to be part of the pro-Russian protesters and it’s obvious that they probably helped steer the victims into the Unions building after tents were set on fire in the street.
It appears that the Kiev thugs had prior access to the Unions building, probably with keys to the locked doors leading to the roof.
The photos show that many victims had their faces and hands burned but not their upper clothing, indicating they were flushed with flammable materials. Some were shot in the head at close range; one woman obviously raped before she was killed.
Where the charred bodies were found, wooden grates nearby, unburned, indicate they had been used to block victims from reaching an upper floor. A white liquid covering the floor suggests that fire extinguishers were used to protect the attackers as they murdered their victims. Before the operation had even begun, it was obvious that material for the Molotov cocktails had been brought to the area.
To assume this operation was protesters against protesters is to repeat the propaganda lies of the western media. But this is one case where these photographs show the result of the illegitimate Kiev government of having the expertise of western intelligence agencies such as the CIA.
These exclusive photos are on view at Global Research. SEE:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-neo-nazi-thugs-supported-by-kiev-regime-killed-odessa-inhabitants-photographic-evidence/5380504
"attack on pro-Russian protesters that only intelligence experts such as the CIA could have produced."
This kind of racist statement, where they imply that a Ukrainian cannot light a match, is an example of why Ukrainians so resent Russians behavior.
Nonsense.
What Ukrainians? You can define what a "Ukrainian" is?
Why do you think that in a country of 60 million Ukrainians only the CIA can light a match?
Are you even paying attention to what they are saying? It's like another 'stupid Ukrainian' joke. Why can't you understand how offensive that is? And then you wonder why people don't trust you?
Ok let's give you your due, The Ukrainians killed all those people and planned it all themselves. The pregnant woman was garroted by a proud Ukrainian who didn't need any assistance from the West and figured out how to be an evil fuck all by himself. Ukrainians can light matches, they burned a bunch of helpless people in a building in Odessa to prove it. Russians take note.
It's pretty obvious that someone is trying pretty hard to incite Putin into making a move. Gawd, I hate the US government more than ever. Every CIA/FBI agent and Blackwater, et.al,. mercenary deserve a similar fate as these people received.
According to the UN Genocide Convention, which was organized by Soviet spy, illuminati traitor, closet ass pirate, freemason and friend of Tricky Dick Algier Hiss, if I hurt your feelings I've committed genocide.
You'll never take me alive, copper!
Like this will get anyone excited in the west. If the sheep who have been conditioned to think nazi's bad for cooking jews like pizza don't get morally outraged and neither do the jews when nazis and jews and are holding hands and skipping through the tulips in Ukraine you think this will change public opinion?
Dewey
I always thought that law firm was Skinner Cheatham and Burnum :) But they all take an oath to the queen at the bar exam. The top of the western bar association is located in London.
You make a good point that everyone seems to miss. After all of the screaming and hunting down nazis, not a word from Simon Weisenthal and crew over what is going on in the Ukraine and sleeping Americans don't seem to notice that. Maybe it just shows that fluoride, vaccines, teflon, aluminum cookware and GMO have done the job. Americans don't notice anything any more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkryh6hC-k
We'll meet again,
Don't know where,don't know when,
But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day.
Keep smiling through,
Just like you always do,
Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds, far away.
So will you please say hello,
To the folks that I know,
Tell them I won't be long, (i wont be long)
They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go
I was singing this song.
We'll meet again,
Don't know where,don't know when,
But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day.
We'll meet again,
Don't know where, don't know when,
But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day.
Keep smiling through,
Just like you always do,
Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds, far away.
So will you please say hello
To the folks that I know,
Tell them I won't be long,(i wont be long )
They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go
I was singing this song.
We'll meet again,
Don't know where, don't know when.
But I know well meet again, some sunny day.
We'll meet again,
Don't know where, don't know when.
But I know well meet again some sunny day.
keep smiling through,
Just like You always do,
Till the blue skies drive the dark Clouds far away.
So will You please say hello to the folks that I know,
Tell them I won't be long. (i wont be long )
They'll be happy to know as You saw me go,
I was singing this song.
We'll meet again,
Don't know where, don't know when.
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day.
keep smiling through just like you all ways do
Vera Lynn - We'll Meet Again Lyrics | MetroLyrics
I know what Archer Maggott would say -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjRnHx4dQlc
Vera. Vera. What has become of you?
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb –
Vera Lynn, "We'll Meet Again"
From the ending scene of Dr. Strangelove
THE END
Or, McCain Sings Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran – with visuals
johnmburt1960
1 week ago
I taught a history course called "The Cold War and Stuff", about the post-WW2 period.
I showed my middle-schoolers "Dr. Strangelove" and told them, "This is EXACTLY what it felt like: like we were at the mercy of a bunch of dimwitted lunatics who were liable to kill us all at any moment."
What a shame, though, that the released version didn't include the pie fight…
Jay Francis
4 months ago
This is the greatest ending ever on a movie. No wonder, because it was on the end of the best movie ever made!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fitting, ptoemmes. Thanks. J.R.
Vlad just chambered a round.
Vlad always has a round chambered...
The round chambers itself for Vlad.
In Russia, the round chambers you.
Oh oh, somebody said the G word. And when that is said then 'humanitarian intervention' is never far away. Russia paid attention in the past.
Russia just needs a "Yes" vote from the referendum and they can then send their troops to protect the people.. as long as their presence is requested, of course. And, should more referendums follow, that's how it's going to be.
I don't see why Russia would want to tie up their troops and be subject to guerrilla attack, or even acquire more territory. Plus if there is enough chaos there might not even be a referendum. I think they will use air attacks against Ukranian troops, and even against the illegal gov't in Kiev. But I'm surprised it hasn't already happened, and I would think a less risky first step would be to arm the separatists with more advanced weaponry, which apparently hasn't been done yet. So maybe I'm missing something.
You're overestimating the threat. If there was a risk of guerrilla war against Russia it would already be going on in Crimea. Kiev is striking now while they still have the chance, but they won't risk a campaign against Russian troops if the referendum does go through and Russian peacekeepers enter the picture. Kiev is barely standing up right now.
Of course there's a risk.
Don't you think that is one of the reasons for the 400,000 Russian troops on the border??
It would be more accurate to say that Guerrilla warfare is not the MAIN risk to Russia YET.
Everything will depend on how bad things get in the Ukraine, and who the average Ukrainian blames it on.
useless talkings
where is your proof there is 400K?
Media dumb you down much?
Your words communicate a feeling without a meaning. You imply that if it were 102, 596 soldiers that the point would be less valid?
The exact number is not important.
Where they are deployed is important.
They are at the border between Russia and the Ukraine. There are plenty of cell phone videos of them there.
The best deployments do many things at once.
Did you think that the 'exercise' was purely training, while accomplishing no tactical objectives at all?
It seems I have more respect for Russian commander than you do!
Notice there are not "Ukrainian" separatists "terrorizing" cities where they live in Russia close by Ukraine to complete referendum for join anything Ukraine...
I think it comes down to the Russians want to commit as little as possible to Ukraine right now as they're using the strategy "dont take any actions if your enemy is destroying/killing themselves for you". I think a lot of the industry and agriculture in the east of Ukraine has close association to Russia and trade with Russian businesses and is resource rich, so they will go in if they have to to tie that up.
Despite the deaths of some Russian people, the longer the Russians can draw this out in present form, the more that the EUSSA/HATO side loses credibility and the more that Russia gains.
As for the terrorist angle, their strategy although brutal was effective against Chechnyans. It seems to me that the Russians are content to sit back and let events unite Slavic people behind Putin/Russia and for the HATO/EUSSA side to lose further momentum and credibility.
Both good answers. I guess I can scratch "military strategist" from my list of possible occupations.
There is still a large majority of Russians who view Ukraine as though it were a province in the USSR - meaning that if they don't like how the place is run, they can have Moscow change Ukraine's leadership.
That is exactly what happened in 2008.
The Russian Army does not surrender momentum voluntarily. PERIOD. So... 'waiting for the EUSSA/HATO to lose credibility... NO. That is not how the Russian Army works.
Only last week Putin invited EU Leaders from Germany and representatives from EU Energy companies to Moscow to negotiate. He has realized that boldness alone will not allow Russia to do this unscathed. And now he is waiting to see if that meeting will bear any fruit.
As for the EU, they don't have to have momentum. They have all the time they need, and some degree of win behind both option number one and option number two. It's fucked up...but its true.
Now that they've ensured that the EXTREMISTS were accendant in Ukraine, the extremists will be indebted to them (at least for now) and so will be obligated to give them what they want (use of the pipelines).
OPTION #1: The extremists might be able to consolidate a functioning society - in which case the EU gets use of the pipelines in repayment.
OPTION #2: The extremists probably will sew more and more chaos in the Ukraine - that is why they are extremists after all. If so then Europe can express how deplorable things are in the Ukraine, put their support behind yet another regime, and it repeat the whole fiasco.
OPTION #3: If the Ukraine gets too out-of-control then the EU can help them apply to the UN for peacekeepers. And who would those peacekeepers be? Why, they would be from the same EU countries, and Gulf Countries who meddled in the Ukraine in the first place!!! And the result would still be that Europe gets to use Ukraine's pipelines.
(Do you really think O'Bunion and his crew could think that strategically? Honestly? When have they so far? They're focused on fighting their own citizenry!)
Putin realized that the only way to totally derail this plan was to simply remove Ukraine from play. Moreover, he had to have Crimea or the Black Sea Fleet was finished - and that was unacceptable.
Now it is clear there will be real consequences for Russia if it proceeds. I am certain he wants to know whether those are necessary consequences or whether there are other options.
Shortly, this is a tactical pause internationally, although everyone's proxies in Ukraine are still doing their thing.
If I were him I would demand Europe stop supporting extremists in Ukraine, and then ask for something to compensate Russia for all the revenue they will lose if other energy providers use Ukraine pipelines - say.... 1000 tons of gold? And then wait.
If those two conditions are met then Russia can wait to act. Russia will still be militarily capable of responding in the Ukraine in the coming months and years. The US, and EU will appear poised to economically burn themselves out. It would be beneficial to Russia if Putin conserved Russia's resources until that happens - or until the situation materially changes.
And it would enhance his standing if the EU and Ukraine were falling apart, while he could offer a better life in Russia to the 8.5 milllion ethnic Russians in the Ukraine.
A Donetsk referendum would give Putin some domestic cover.
However, the timing of his use of troops is his own.
West and Euromaidan will take the blame for unpleasantness in Donetsk or other Eastern provinces.
He can wait as long as he needs to to ensure it is going to be the successful move.
It might give the Ukrainians time to organize and decide what they really want.
When there is internal disturbance, even the most well-meaning help from outside is often destructive.
Those Libertarians among us need to condemn all the war leaders. Screw the: "enemy of my enemy is my friends." BS. The lesser of two evils is evil.
I agree. Obama, Putin, Merkel, Hollande... 'Scheming psychopath' is part of the job description.
That is why I argue and point out the immoral choices each side has.
But always, always, there is a significant majority who wants to imagine that their tyrant's are more desirable than the next country's tyrants.
I used to believe that our tyrants in the US were just as bad, but kept on a shorter constitutional leash. Then I discovered that the leash had been transfered from the politician's necks to the peoples' over a century ago, all while keeping the slogans of freedom.
Once burned. Twice shy.
I hope to help others understand that a choice between evils is not a choice.
Exactly! The idea that my autocrat is better than your autocrat is ridiculous. Disempower all governments. None of the conspiracies work without strong centrally planned economies, police forces and monitoring.
Unfortunately America is selling demonocracy rather than democracy.
Her founding fathers must be wondering WTF.
America is truly a different place to the one we expected her to be.
then move to russia. see there and then complain.
Or mandea, you could permanently move to Israel and than everyone is dandy happy...zio bitch!
i am happy where i am. you?
All my life I have been sickened by people who judge their own standards by those of others. The only thing that matters to them is to be "better" than others. Politicians do it all day every day on the economy and everything else. It's like saying "we only steal $1 million per day, everybody else steals $2 million per day, so our standard of behaviour is acceptable, vote for us". Of course this is wrong. But it's how so many people think.
It is not beyond the wit of man to determine what is right and wrong and to adjust their own behaviour and standards accordingly. In many cases this will not simply mean that their behaviour is better than everybody else, but actually acceptable. And it creates a standard for others to aspire to.
Putting that into the context of your comment means that just because the US may be better than Russia in some ways, does not mean the US is acceptable.
"Putting that into the context of your comment means that just because the US may be better than Russia in some ways, does not mean the US is acceptable."
Precisely.
It is a very different place than it was just 10 or 20 years ago.
The sprint to totalitarianism and away from any limits or checks on government behavior are absolutely stunning.
I could not have imagined it.
But, as it turns out, it has been secretly totalitarian at the top for a long time. It has just taken 100 years to seep into local daily life.
And there's hope yet. The oligarchs may be forced to relinquish power by means of a Crack-Up Boom.
Patton should of solved this problem 70 years ago...buuuut noooooo how was the MIC going to make its money without a cold war...now look at us... completely fucked....
Patton woke up some, but still not focused on exact problem.which ended him firstly...
He was more force than thinking, and still not aware of how far just to Urals, where fallback postion was, and after that rough Siberia..
Other invaders from west never arrived even close to Urals..
It is early May and the ground is soft, muddy, meaning that the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian army will not occur for at least a few more weeks.
Considering that Putin has already said that he would protect Russian people and Russian interests in Ukraine, the continuing assaults by the Ukrainian army has already given him casus belli, but, he has so far resisted the urge to act and send troops over the border.
Given the audacity and recklessness by all sides in the escalating conflict, Putin needs no more violence, but rather a hardening of the ground, upon which to roll tanks, troop carriers and heavy artillery.
A couple of ironic dates to keep in front of mind as Putin - the chess master and relentless taunter of Western interests - plots his obligatory invasion (yes, obligatory, as in compulsory, mandatory, requisite, unavoidable, inescapable), are May 17 (Armed Forces Day) and May 26 (Memorial Day).
Russian geologists will make the call.
THE BANKSTERS PHILOSOPHY:
TOO MUCH MONEY AIN'T QUITE ENOUGH!!!!
Classic line from "The Fortune Cookie":
Insurance company lawyer: I'll give you $250,000. Fair enough?
Walter Matthau(plaintiff lawyer): It may be fair, but it's not enough.
I swear, somedays the only thing that keeps me going is the morbid curiosity to see how the events of the Book of Revelations are going to come to be.
I think you're in the wrong forum....
They won't. The book which is properly called "The Apocalypse of John" is the personal testament of what it's like to experince salvation, personally. Apocalypses were common in Christian literature from around AD 100 to AD 300 and they are not and were not intended to be read as books of fortune telling dolled up as "prophecy" for the heretics.
Down arrowed you because you just ruined the Book of Revelations for me. Even so, I can't wait to see Four Horsemen riding hard toward obama.
czarangelus
Yes there are many Vedics, Buddhists, Hindus who would certainly concur with you that revelation is a description of the Kundalini moving up the spine toward the brain and pineal gland.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
Apocalypse is the Greek word for Revelation.This from one of Murdoch's papers .... http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230483130457954509320...
They need to add a few more zeros to the body count before I believe it to be a genocide
one of the anti-semitic, neonazi thugs from Svoboda said that Ukraine was being run by a Moscovite Jewish mafia.
He may be a shithead, and he may even be dangerous, but on this matter, he is not incorrect.
In a sense, there is a colorable argument that international, organized Jewry has been at war with both the Russian and German people for the past 100 years. That's certainly not the dominant theme here, but the amount of Jewish actors in the governments, media, think tanks, and banks, is absolutely stunning.
A good way to disprove this kind of antisemitic {cough cough} conspiracy theory would be to demonstrate that the Jewish oligarchs in Russia are fundamentally opposed to the core goals of the Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine, or that the oligarchs within those states are themselves divided. Then, you would basically be showing that, while there's massive over-representation, there isn't a cohesive monolith calling the shots one way or another.
You feel me?
Moscovite?
Those Oligarch type were thinned long ago by Russia.
they would run for easy asylum in Loundon, not Moscow
Is that cubicle in Luyanka a comfortable one?
Ukrainian forces prepare provocation against Russia in Donetsk
Russian military uniforms and fake IDs of Russian officers have been taken to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk to stage an attack on Ukrainian border guards, a Ukrainian law enforcement official told RIA Novosti Tuesday on condition of anonymity. "The task is to stage an attack on Ukrainian border guards by people dressed in Russian military uniforms and make a video of it," he said.
Is CIA now using the German Nazi playbook and trying to stage a Gleiwitz false flag incident?
No.
The same people are using it now as used it the first time.
The SS playbook, along with a lot of the SS apparatchiks were coopted by the Soviets in East Germany, where they became known as the Stasi.
They now work for Merkel.
Assertions are easy to make. But this ought not be so hard to figure out indepenedently. Just ask, "Who's it good for?"
The US could maybe buy another few months, or maybe a year or two more as the Reserve Currency by ensuring Europe has more diversification in its energy supplies. And it could keep the support of the Gulf for a while longer if it ensured they were the source of the expanded supplies. But not much more.
No.
Just look at each aspect of this and ask, "Who gets the most benefit from this?"
Who gains if Ukraine divorces Russia?
If this escalates, and the US appears impotent, the EU will demand a Continental Army (actually they were voting on it a couple of weeks ago). Who gets the armament contracts?
If Ukraine is part of the EU, who gets the low-cost skilled labor from expat Ukrainian workers?
Who gets the expanded energy supplies that travel through the Ukrainian pipelines?
Figure it out for yourself. The answer is obvious when you ask the age-old question: QUI BONO?
Murdering a 9-month pregnant woman, strangling her to death with a telephone wire, because she opposes a Nazi regime, is genocide.
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html
International Criminal Court Requested to Investigate Odessa Pogrom
Dr. Jonathan Levy, attorney for victims of anti fascism in Ukraine, has made an urgent request to the International Criminal Court Prosecutor to investigate the May 2, 2014 slaughter of anti fascist activists in Odessa.
Dr. Levy also expressed concern for the survivors of the pogrom and the families of victims who are under threat by both government and fascist elements in Ukraine. The ICC was requested to appoint a Special Counsel for Victims to ensure that witnesses and victims are not further persecuted by Ukrainian fascists.
the fuckin demaons are going to send in the liver eaters
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930214000824
Thats not genocide. Thats the type of theater the morlochs use to legitimaize their humanitarian genocide.
There is no information that she was oppositon. It appears she was just there...
Other citizens who were not any part of street were killed by sniper.
Wolves will kill when not hungry, they are wolves...
Those are paid and financed, trained, fed and armed killing machine turned loose.
Perhaps this is in part - what the hell is going on there:
In addition to the requisitioning of crops in Ukraine, all food was confiscated by Soviet authorities. Any and all aid and food was prohibited from entering the Ukrainian republic. Ukraine's Yuschenko administration recognised the Holodomor as an act of genocide and pushed international governments to acknowledge this.[148] This move was opposed by the Russian government and some Russophile members of the Ukrainian parliament. A Ukrainian court found Joseph Stalin, Vyacheslav Molotov, Lazar Kaganovich, Stanislav Kosior, Pavel Postyshev, Vlas Chubar and Mendel Khatayevich guilty of genocide on 13 January 2010.[149][150] As of 2010, the Russian government's official position was that the famine took place, but was not an ethnic genocide;[148] former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych supported this position.[151][152] A ruling of January 13, 2010 by Kyiv's Court of Appeal declared the Soviet leaders guilty of 'genocide against the Ukrainian national group in 1932–33 through the artificial creation of living conditions intended for its partial physical destruction
NO Gersh Herschvin Yehuda on your list? He was the top guy, after Lazar Kagan.
Mandea and the Magician must be relieving Movictim. Is his shift over? Are these Nuttinyahoo apologists allowed to receive overtime pay?
Niet. Nonye Robotne.