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Why Hasn't The U.S. Gone After Gazprom?

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Amidst the deepening war of words over Moscow’s annexation of Crimea, U.S. President Barack Obama on April 28 added more Russian individuals and companies to a sanctions list that already included influential members of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle and Bank Rossiya, which has close ties to the Russian leadership. The new list freezes the assets of Igor Sechin, head of Russia's major oil company, Rosneft, six other individuals and 17 companies.

Significantly, the new U.S. list does not include Alexei Miller, CEO of the Russian natural gas state monopoly, Gazprom.

Although the European Union has imposed its own tough sanctions on 48 Russian individuals, Gazprom is arguably where daylight exists between the Obama administration and the EU on the issue of penalizing Moscow for its actions in Ukraine.

The numbers make it clear why. Russia is the EU’s third-biggest trading partner, after the U.S. and China; in 2012, bilateral EU-Russian trade amounted to almost $370 billion. The same year, U.S. trade with Russia amounted to just $26 billion.

More than half of Russia's exports go to Europe, and 45 percent of its imports come from Europe, according to the EU EUROSTAT agency. Out of 485 billion cubic meters of gas consumed by the EU annually, Russia supplies about 160 billion cubic meters, or almost one-third the total volume.

Germany, the EU’s economic powerhouse, has been explicit about the costs for the German economy from increased sanctions. Anton Börner, the president of Germany’s main trade group, BGA, warned that more than 6,000 German businesses with $105 billion of turnover are interlinked with Russia and stand to lose if sanctions are ratcheted up.

U.S. Representative Lois Frankel (D-FL), who recently visited Ukraine with a Congressional delegation, has offered the likeliest official explanation for why the White House left Gazprom and CEO Miller untouched in the most recent round of sanctions.

In an April 28 appearance on MSNBC, Frankel said, "I think our president is taking a cautious approach warranted because our European allies partners with Russia, they depend on Russia's energy. And so we have [to] be careful because sanctions against Russia also have the good probability of hurting our allies.”

Other members of Congress have shown less willingness to accommodate the EU’s delicate economic position. In recent days, senior members of the U.S. Senate have increased their calls for the White House to move against Gazprom. Carl Levin (D -MI), John McCain (R-AZ) and Bob Corker (R-TN) want Obama to use an executive order that allows him to punish broad sectors of the Russian economy in response to Russia’s actions in Crimea.

The lawmakers’ statements on the issue have been widely covered in the Ukrainian and Russian press.

In an April 12 letter to Obama, Corker, a ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, “Unless Russia ends its destabilization of eastern Ukraine and drastically reduces troop levels on the Ukrainian border immediately, further sanctions against strategic sectors of the Russian economy, particularly targeting Gazprom and additional important financial institutions, should be imposed within days.”

After the latest round of U.S. sanctions this week, Corker repeated that call in a joint statement with Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Readiness Subcommittee, in which he said, “Until Putin feels the real pain of sanctions targeting entities like Gazprom, which the Kremlin uses to coerce Ukraine and other neighbors, as well as some significant financial institutions, I don’t think diplomacy will change Russian behavior and de-escalate this crisis.”

During an April 25 visit to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, Levin told reporters, “The existing authority is sufficient to take very strong sanctioning action against Russian banks that have correspondent accounts in the United States. The authority exists. It should be used, and that includes Gazprom.”

McCain advocated in an April 25 press release, “The United States needs to expand sanctions to major Russian banks, energy companies, and sectors of its economy, such as the arms industry, which serve as instruments of Putin’s foreign policy. NATO needs to move toward a robust and persistent military presence in central Europe and the Baltic countries, including increased missile defense capabilities. We need a transatlantic energy strategy to break Europe’s dependence on Russian oil and gas,” which would include sanctions against Gazprom, according to his office.

McCain recently suggested he has a broader agenda in mind when he said, “The strategy of the U.S. for saving Ukraine must be built in opposition to Russia's gas strategy, as this will be the end of Putin and his empire."

Given Gazprom’s centrality to the Russian economy, it’s unlikely that Putin won’t react if and when the company comes in for Western sanctions. In preparation for that possibility, Gazprom’s subsidiary, Gazprombank, Russia’s third largest, last month transferred nearly $7 billion to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

Gazprom has already warned that further Western sanctions could disrupt gas exports to Europe.

And Russian Natural Resources Minister Sergei Donskoi has made it explicit that there will be consequences for Western energy firms that comply with sanctions. Speaking on April 24 to journalists in Russia’s far eastern city of Birobidzhan, Donskoi said, "It is obvious that they won't return in the near future if they sever investment agreements with us, I mean there are consequences as well. Russia is one of the most promising countries in terms of hydrocarbons production. If some contracts are severed here, then, colleagues, you lose a serious lump of your future pie."

Donskoi also expressed the certainty that if Western firms leave Russia, other foreign energy companies would take their place.

That kind of threatening rhetoric will only make it harder for U.S. officials to sell an already nervous Brussels on the idea of more sanctions, if it comes to that, and on targeting Gazprom, in particular.


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Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:33 | 4734470 TruthTalker
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The US was the aggressor and for all any of us know Russia is in cahoots with them!  We need to replace our oligarchy with patriots! 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:39 | 4734485 Latina Lover
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Can anyone explain why the USSA must intervene in the Ukraine for reasons other than geopolitical domination, feeding the Military Industrial complex, creating wedges between the EU and Russia, stealing Ukrainian resources under the management of the IMF? 

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:41 | 4734489 i_call_you_my_base
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Because freedom.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:50 | 4734520 Xibalba
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Russia is Gazprom

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:41 | 4734843 Urban Roman
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We'll just bankrupt 'em with cheap abundant gas.

We'll buy it from, um, what was that big gas company? No matter how much it costs, 'cause we can just print the money!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 06:16 | 4735225 Helg Saracen
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Are you sure?


Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:21 | 4734615 philipat
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I think you means because they hate us for our freedoms. No, wait..

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4734498 Edward1290
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its just was JFK, Watergate, Monica Lewinsky.........anytime a major 'Monetary Event' takes place the 'money changers' are working behind the scenes..........NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS........



Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:13 | 4734590 logicalman
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Was going to mention the theatrical aspect.

Kicking myself for neglecting the pizza.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 01:00 | 4734973 boogerbently
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We're getting our butt kicked because we currently have worse "actors".

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:25 | 4734627 Carpenter1
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I used to think that, but the US having its ass handed to it in a humiliating way by Syria/Iran/Russia after 2 years of intense propaganda and covert attemots to overthrow Assad convinced me otherwise. 


Is there a theatrical aspect both sides are working? Absolutely, but are there real agendas on both sides?  


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:59 | 4735182 james.connolly
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Look 30+ years ago  CIA got the IRAQi's and IRANIAN's to kill 10 million of one another,

CIA has one goal other than USD protection, and that GOAL is MASS genocide of the entire world, but with NO BLOOD on USA hands.

Everywhere the USA goes, they create civil war, which leads to millions of deaths, ... the NAZI's did this and we called it the HOLOCAUST, now we just scratch our ass and watch.

Like I say, +100 MILLION humans have died to make the USD the reserve currency it is,...


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:24 | 4735194 StormShadow
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So true. Took me years to wake up n see this. Now it's infuriating living in a world where so few others see it for what it is. By the time they realize our country as a whole has been hijacked it'll be far to late and many, many more will have to die before we can rebuild the republic, if we even can.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:40 | 4735201 james.connolly
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It's so fucking sad,... I mean millions of Vietnamese Died, ... +100 of Million for a 100 years now.

Today the CIA over-threw  THAILAND government for like the 30'th time since the 1940's. Because the CIA wants to create the 'image' of democracy, they let people vote, they vote for the poor, who represent the poor, then the CIA has to come in and kick out that government to reassert their control,... everywhere its the same, I'm surprised that the CIA hasn't made 'democracy' illegal all over the world.

It appears they do this on purpose, engineering frequent civil-war all over the world, maximizes genocide. All cleverly desgined to minimize 'cost to kill'.

The POOR who are the majority hold the Northeast which are valuable lands, and most of central is valuable for rice, but these people will not budge, so engineer a civil war, knock them off their 'rent free land', and sell all hat land to CHINA. Rinse and Repeat, ... how many people will die? Millions? For what? So a few billionaires can become trillionaires,...

Today we have war's in UKRAINE, war in THAILAND, ... war in SYRIA, Libya,... everytime somebody dies it means the PTB can steal their property.

Nobody gives a fuck, the Majority on ZH just watch stock market and count their star's not unlike the French book "The little prince"

The world is mad, and nobody gives a flying fuck.


It's coming home to roost, I guess that the good news soon 10's of millions of US citizens will kill each other,... its coming.


Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:45 | 4734853 TruthTalker
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gee thanks now I'm hungry!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 03:55 | 4735137 Aussie V
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As I see it the world and, specifically, the US and the western world changed for the worse after the JFK assassination. It took a turn for the worse and has headed head long down that road.

If this is just theatre you will HAVE to show me what is really happening because I see the very real possibility that all this Ukraine parry and thrusting may be the beginning of WW3 or, at least, another Vietnam for a new generation who missed the last one.

After all, everyone deserves a Vietnam of their own!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:45 | 4735165 Lore
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Everything went to shit with the removal of the dollar peg. Every major historical event since then has dollar hegemony as an underlier. 

The sanctions may be penny-ante so far, but the chutzpah is impressive.  These people think their shit doesn't stink.

I've been talking with Germans who are FURIOUS with Merkel for straddling middle ground.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:53 | 4735173 james.connolly
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German's Lost WW2, Nazi's WON..

Do you ever remind your German friends there are dozen of USA bases in GERMANY, and that GERMANY like Japan, TAIWAN, are just war time colony's for  imperialist power?

The GERMAN people have been turned into pussy''s, they're not even legally allowed to mention that They're ran by the Nazi's out USA/UK/ISRAEL.



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:59 | 4735183 Lore
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You touch on an interesting point that came up, one among many. They see things quite differently and with much greater grasp of history. Nothing is what it seems. Obama provides neat cover. Who thinks to look for racist eugenicists behind Obama? 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:45 | 4735210 Treason Season
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The plural of pussy is pussies.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:57 | 4735215 Incubus
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no, it's not.


It's just like numbers. the more commas/apostrophes, the greater the implied pluracie'''''s.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4734501 DirkDiggler11
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By "resources" do you mean the US stealing their GOLD ???

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4734502 socalbeach
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No.  Which is why this is a 1 star article, he's asking the wrong question.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:48 | 4734516 denverdolomte
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I.E. Arab Spring part duex. It's happening in many other places as well, just not as publicized, look into things happening in S. America.

Beyond theories of a that NWO stuff, I really can't offer you any other purpose for the said destabilization beyond them all being fucking insane beyond comprehention.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:31 | 4734825 JuliaS
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Because we're pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan and it's much cheaper to find something else to do around Eurasia than to take all the gear back home.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:41 | 4734845 harposox
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We're trapped in the paradox of the infinite growth paradigm. Because we're a debt-based economy, it takes ever increasing rates of growth in order pay off an exponentially increasing debt. The source of our crazy growth to date – cheap fossil fuel energy – is drying up, so we've resorted to other methods in order to artificially create it (primarily war, cannibalization of productive industry, and the financialization of everything under the sun). Otherwise the whole Ponzi comes crashing down. Mathematical reality has finally caught up to us.

We're witnessing the death throes of a dying empire, and of the collective delusion that we can perpetually live beyond our means. Ukraine merely has the misfortunate of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:14 | 4735064 matrix2012
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@ Latina Lover ... it's mainly for TTIP


TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) and Ukrainian Mess


These two recent posts by Tabarnaque summarized the plot to go in Ukraine and WHY.

"If you read this article you will understand that Ukraine is a manufactured side show to force Europe into quickly signing the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership)."


>>>> TTIP : Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership


Read them here: post #1, and post #2 is right below it... read Saker as well!


Some more links, mainly about TTIP and TPP: 


The US plan for the Ukraine - a hypothesis (Saker)

The corporate endgame: Why you should be concerned about TPP and TTIP



The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership: The TPP’s Corporate-Friendly European Counterpart

TPP & TTIP - Policy Implications Environmental Research Irrelevant


Trans-Atlantic global leadership at stake in Ukraine – Kerry


 . . .  just search "TPP TTIP" for further refs


And here's a CARTOON version:

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:43 | 4735166 CHX
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To cling on to hegemony, and by doing so support the dollar. When the dollar collapses, the (E)USSA hologram comes crushing down.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:55 | 4735177 Old Man River
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Under my plan Gazprom prices will necessarily skyrocket

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:46 | 4734507 whoflungdung
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TT I don't think they're in cahoots.

US is the agressor, no doubt about it.

Check this talk on YouTube and remember it was spoken in 2008 before Obama became president!!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:20 | 4734578 socalbeach
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Excellent, +106, thanks for posting that.  He called it.  Here's his website.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:39 | 4735085 sonoftx
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Thanks for posting. Pretty omniscient.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 07:33 | 4735162 matrix2012
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EXCELLENT Video.... it's AMAZING how Tarpley already saw it in 2008 or even earlier!


And this video was uploaded on Oct 29, 2008


Read the full transcript here... thanks to the DeepJournal

The audio version can be found here: -- Webster Tarpley is really sharp... he already saw it many years ago when many still fell asleep!
Wed, 05/07/2014 - 08:23 | 4735332 lakecity55
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Excellent, but so far it looks like Bath House has fucked it all up.

Check out the Tarpley piece on Holdren, the "science" guy for Bath House. Scary. He is a fanatic on world genocide.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 23:48 | 4738617 matrix2012
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thanks for tip lakecity55


Dr. Tarpley reviews the writings of John P. Holdren, the current White House science advisor

June 2011

Webster Tarpley: The Elite's Plan for Global Extermination


Addendum video with Webster Griffin Tarpley "Webster Griffin Tarpley: Quackademic Darwinian Charlatans"

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:25 | 4735196 Helg Saracen
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You really have no control.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:46 | 4734696 Ski12568
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The next Bush will be put there to try and satisfy your want

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:23 | 4735192 Helg Saracen
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 Understanding what is happening. :)))))))))))))))

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4734486 Edward1290
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This shit was all set up in 2009 after Lehman people are all being played for fools......Russia/China WILL get a bigger seat at the (IMF) table.........The money changers are 10 steps ahead of current events.....I dont trust Jim Rickards as far as I can throw his bald head...........but i listen to him.....he is telegraphing for the 'deep state'..........

Can you say INFLATION?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:52 | 4734523 what's that smell
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john daly is a stupid fuck.

the wording itself is state department hack.

"there's a bad smell but those russians suck"

great thinking, dipshit.

if you read it and believe it you a dipshit also.


Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:53 | 4734528 Postal
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Because it's one of the Teleprompter-In-Chief's green-energy partners. Duh!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 07:54 | 4735311 lakecity55
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Bath House has a chicken brain. I mean, it's really really small. And corrupt.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:54 | 4734529 One And Only
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Obama should send Ukraine solar panels.

Seriously though. You know why no one goes to war over solar panels?

THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK OBAMA. Neither do windmills or algae you stupid fuck.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:56 | 4734537 william114085
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King Jew Rothschild has a large stake in Gazprom....nuff sed

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:09 | 4734559 sangell
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Perhaps another article that got wider play than this one would explain it. GAZPROM's production has dropped 8% in recent months. Russian oil production has fallen for 4 straight months! When your enemy is destroying himself why interfere. Iran and others are eager to supply Europe. Europe can drill for its own gas or buy American coal and propane. The only 'crisis' is in Russian revenue.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:10 | 4734581 i_call_you_my_base
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Gazprom can make up the production loss by charging full price to their european-leaning neighbors. I'm sure that will go over well. If they drop the subsidies eastern europe will be fucked and everyone knows it. They can go to the ME, but enjoy paying full price anyway. Same result. Russia has leverage and location, the US doesn't have shit or they would have played it already. And that's why the germans and others are saying no to sanctions.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:25 | 4734625 sangell
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Tell it to Xi Jinping. He ain't buying your commie 'cost' problems. He wants to have the "China" price and Putin's bowling ball headed people can't offer it. Putin's finished, wake up and smell the vodka vomit!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:37 | 4735163 CHX
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It's pretty obvious who is awake and who isn't.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:31 | 4734824 fauxhammer
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Fuggin KAOS and KONTROL agents everywhere

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:48 | 4734705 Hongcha
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Vlad, Rothschild and Yours Truly.

It was obvious at the outset OGZPY was too big to go after; and that the bottom was going in.  I have 40% of my position and am buying dips with a long-term hold stance and a + 300% outlook by the time Messiah leaves office.  I have Sberbank too.  Largest bank in Russia by far, employs more people than JP Morgan and no one has heard of them.  2.5 p/e, dividend around 6%.


Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:07 | 4734540 sangell
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This is Russia and Europe's problem. We fought and won a long and bloodly "Cold" War against the USSR. They lost. If they want to revisit it the United States needs to let the Russians know they are far weaker today than when Brezhnez ran their 'stolen technology' empire and if necessary, Russia can be broken up into Baltic state sized components and Putin put on display at the National Zoo in Washington

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:17 | 4734599 logicalman
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The whole of humanity LOST because of the 'Cold War'

Only the corrupt, super-rich benefited, as in all hot wars.

Wake the fuck up!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:31 | 4734656 sangell
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Cold War was the height of Western prosperity. Oh, to have the days when 55% of federal revenue was spent at the department of defense. When the USA, with a population of 180 million put 3.4 million MEN under arms and everyone had a job. That was 1960! We were armed and ready to take on the USSR even though they ruled 220 million people.

Today the USA is far bigger than Russia. They are not even in our league. Time to send Putin a Shetland pony and tell him to ride off into the sunset and see if his nation can stay ahead of India or Brazil because it sure don't belong in the G=7

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:57 | 4734732 Edward1290
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correct me if Im wrong..but isnt Russia the #1 energy exporter in the world????

Is not China the #1 importer of enengy in the world???

Why would they not a bigger seat at the Table??..........they will get it and we will be poorer for it..........



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:42 | 4735206 Singelguy
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Yup, the USA is far bigger than Russia. $17.5 Trillion in debt versus $180 billion in debt. Russia has a trade surplus while the USA has a $600 billion trade deficit. Russia is the largest oil exporter in the world while the USA is a net importer. Size does matter! I think Putin would tell you where to stick your Shetland pony.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:11 | 4735190 Helg Saracen
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That was smoking?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:23 | 4734604 Son of Captain Nemo
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What will fix this is "if" and "when" the German people demand a no confidence vote of the Merkel's Party with a referendum to throw American computer and internetworking services companies out of Germany for NSA standards and last but not least the U.S. military and it's intelligence aparatus after 69 years of control in it's Country political and economic decision making!

This should have happened and been demanded by the German people after they were reunited with the East and Cold War hostilities were "officially" ended with treaty obligations signed.

Now we see the results of the damage to an American foreign policy that not only continued to increase it's defense spending but also ruptured key trade agreements between Russia and Western Europe for more than 23 years.  Now courtesy of the U.S. Government we have potential war and more threats to their peace, prosperity and security with the U.S. still in their Country for no legitimate reason whatsoever.

If Germany decides the call to move in the direction of throwing American telecom out and a referendum "once and for all" to throw the U.S. military out the rest of the EU will swiftly follow suit! Guaranteed!!!

And that my friends is what the U.S. England and Israel fear more than anything.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:43 | 4734683 sangell
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That's not going to happen anymore than you are going to find a job tomorrow. This is a discussion forum not a fantasy where Taylor Swift call you up and asks you to have sex.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:02 | 4734740 Son of Captain Nemo
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I like you. 

You're either a Veteran (I'd guess either Vietnam or Gulf War) that is satisified and just getting by with your union pension working at the local factory or grocery store down the street with the meds to either help you with the Gulf War syndrome or the PTSD/traumatic brain injury from all those memories you still try to shut out...

A useless .gov who just retired and never worked an honest day in your life with a limitless budget to correct your mistakes collecting your pension while you screwed the rest of us out of tax money that should have stayed in our back pockets...

You're a kosher butcher that visits Tel Aviv once a year for vacation...

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:37 | 4734836 WTFUD
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Granny Angela's rotten cunt reeks of fukushima fish, just like your breath Sangell.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:22 | 4734618 stant
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Tanks a shit load of them. It's the great land mass. Air power means nothing, if you can't sustain it. Tanks don't have to be the best just the last one standing. Math sucks

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 00:10 | 4734907 mumcard
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Check out the cbu-97 sensor fuzed weapon.  Makes lots of tanks into lots of tombs.  Not that I'm anti-Russia on this.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:11 | 4734644 intric8
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lmao "until Putin feels the real pain of sanctions targeting entities like Gazprom, which the Kremlin uses to coerce Ukraine and other neighbors, as well as some significant financial institutions.."

'Coerce' ukraine and other neighbors? They set gas prices at a fair market price that others accept! Fuck you, senator ayotte. That electric bill you paid last month? Coercion. Comcast bill? Likewise! At least europe can buy gas elsewhere if it really wants to

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:38 | 4734657 bjfish
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McCain is a war-mongering A-hole.  Obama is a limp, empty suit.  Putin seems the only grown-up involved. 

I just can't buy the "were good guys/they're bad guys'  schtick.  Not with all the propagandizing & spinning that is constantly going on.  Its the only thing this Administration (&media lackeys) are good at. 

And it should be noted that the cold war (indeed the 20th century) was all about supremecy of systems (free-market, communist, fascist).  We won 'cuz gov't command economies collapsed while our (formerly) relatively free-market system succeeded beyond anyone's dreams.  Apparently 1/2 of society doesn't understand this, and think moar gov't control will 'fix' things.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 01:44 | 4735029 Totentänzerlied
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In reality it was the same as every other century: it was about control of productive resources, mainly energy, food crops, and raw materials. Each tried their own slightly different but fundamentally interchangeable ways of organizing society - all premised on production, growth, and domination to virtually the same degree.

This nonsense about competing political systems is idle talk for children. The only competition was in subjugating more people, grabbing more resources, and putting out better propaganda.

Apparently 99% of humanity doesn't understand and thinks more consumption, production, and growth will "fix" things (and that it is possible at all).

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:02 | 4735188 Helg Saracen
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This nonsense about competing political systems...

:) !!!

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:35 | 4734662 earleflorida
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the USSA was well aware that soviet china [mao] and bolshevik [lenin/marx/trotsky/stalin] russia would be a threat to it's hegemony in 50 years or so... as generations go?, and the global status quo.

today russia plays a minor role, but substantial enough regarding its domination of a eurasia energy infrastructure and its lifelong symbiosis partner china.

china has done a 180^, and has russia in the last two decades regarding capitalism and a freer society-- although slow in global terms, they are both moving in the right direction.

china is slowly becoming nationalistic [not fascist like taiwan's china] but moar demorcratic with a feeling of pride, and not arrogance. russia has followed, but slowly?

russia will catch up, but having the usa buffer the countries perimeters with nato countries doesn't sit well after what went down in serbia, libya, and a funky kinda russo-georgian thingy, not to mention the caucasus recent escapades via winter olympics shuned by the west...

u b da jug'd

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:37 | 4734670 Overdrawn
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Brilliant FX game, Forex Hunting Trader

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:38 | 4734674 Squids_In
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The US has produced zero evidence of Russian involvement in the unrest/separatism in Ukraine, just a load of anti-Russian and anti-Putin rhetoric.

Therefore it is impossible for Russia to "comply" with demands to "end its destabilization of eastern Ukraine" because such a demand is completely nebulous and open-ended.

The reality is: NeoCon hot-heads like McCain are not interested in specific Russian actions, rather, they want to destroy the Putin regime wholesale - "end his empire".

It drives them crazy that Putin is able to conduct an independent foreign policy, which often undermines the impact of US threats and actions' - e.g. Syria and Iran.

Meanwhile, many in Europe are relived that Russia, under Putin, is able to act as a counter balance to the fascist putch regime in Ukraine - and unbridled US power more generally.

Unless Putin does something stupid (like invade eastern Ukraine), the US, and it's client in Kiev, will find themselves increasingly isolated with their warmongering and anti-Russian hysteria.

I suspect a quiet mutiny against US anti-Russian sanctions policy has already begun in Europe. If so, we are close to a buy on Gazprom.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:56 | 4734730 intric8
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Fucking word. These assholes will increasingly show their hand. They think they've put putin in a position to either die fast or die slow. All putin has to do is stay cool and not overreact. He could use a media victory though. The election will likely be fixed to plant pro west puppets n power, so he needs a back up plan ready for five kinds of trouble prepared. Warbama and team have probably hatched a plan to unleash a flurry of shit for him around that time, a veritable shock and awe of crisis designed to overwhelm and force rash behavior. It will be rough for him coming up.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:35 | 4734832 luckylogger
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Going for down arrows again.... of course the russians are involved, any idiot can see that. Of course the US is involved along with IMF and who knows what else. This is a proxy war and  anybody that thinks that the Ukrainians can decide for themselves is crazy. there will be a trade off, who knows what . I think the dude that posted about the trade for syria is on track but i dont think this will become nuclear. a bomb will go off sometime in the next 20 years but not by ussa or russia is my 2c. Somebody will be schizo enough to do it, but hopefully not a big superpower.... if they do then it will be dinasour steaks for those that survie....... By the way putin is a puss.

Thinks he is king shit like obummer but they both suck....

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 08:57 | 4735443 layman_please
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your downvotes demonstrate we have plenty of idiots around here. every major country has imperial ambitions and to believe otherwise is mere lunacy. ukraine is full of spetsnaz or otherwise putin would be a clueless fool. which of those two you idiots want to believe?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 22:53 | 4734724 bjfish
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I vote for a limited nuke exchange.

They can hit DC, Shitcago, and SFran and we'll throw in the DC burbs (Maryland, Deleware, N. Virginia).  They can specify where they want 3 to hit, and give us a freeby in Syria/Iran.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:56 | 4735180 Gavrikon
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I'll see your strike and raise you a Detoilet.

Let the down arrows fly!  I give no fuck.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:30 | 4734821 Robot Traders Mom
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God, John McCain is such a fuck-up. Liberals hate him. Neocons hate him. People with a clue hate him...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:54 | 4735174 Gavrikon
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I thought he was the quintessential neo-com.  We paleos hate him.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 23:41 | 4734844 naiverealist
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Gazprom and Chevron have joint ventures for developing various oil/gas resources in Russia and Europe.

Rosneft and Exxon have joint ventures for developing various oil/gas resources in Russian and Europe.

Pissing off either megagiant US corporation will have major impacts to the current administration, neeless to say, they are tiptoing around sanctions.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 00:31 | 4734914 Kina
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the Senate Armed Services Readiness Subcommittee, in which he said, “Until Putin feels the real pain of sanctions targeting entities like Gazprom, which the Kremlin uses to coerce Ukraine and other neighbors, as well as some significant financial institutions, I don’t think diplomacy will change Russian behavior and de-escalate this crisis.”


They are first class idiots, and McCain the IQ of a 5 year old and less common sense, what a total school boy moron. Total scary that he ran for President then again look at the others...


If Russia feels real pain just imagine the pain Americans, Europeanes and global industry is going to feel.... when...


1. energy supply to Europe cut off or rationed

2. energy costs skyrocket immediately (Russia recoups loss on volume through increased prices anyway)

3. Russia, China start dumping USD..... cost of energy in the USA through the stratosphere...

4. US crashes very quickly into a massive hyperinflated heap

5. civil disruption and wide spread anger against TPTB in the US

6. US starts using its interanl forces and drones against its own people like all other failed countries


There is a fine line between the US falling off the edge and seeming safe...


There be many black swans circling over US Ukraine  policy.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 08:44 | 4735411 layman_please
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why so negative? the silver lining of a devaluing currency is the increase in exports. what are the main export articles of usa? dollars, death and destruction. wait...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 00:41 | 4734951 Seek_Truth
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Q: Why Hasn't The U.S. Gone After Gazprom?

A: Because the EU could not suffer it.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:02 | 4735054 Izznogood
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"At the edge of the moorlands east of Bremen, an oil derrick juts into the sky. The site, known as Völkersen-Nord 24a, belongs to the oil and natural gas production company RWE Dea and taps into natural gas reserves located 5,000 meters (16,500 feet) below the earth's surface. At the tip of the steel derrick, a German flag flutters in the breeze. But the black, red and gold banner seems out of place.


RWE Dea was just sold to the Russian oligarch Mikhail Fridman five weeks ago for €5.1 billion ($7.1 billion). With the purchase, the 50-year-old multibillionaire now controls a fifth of German natural gas production and a quarter of the country's oil production."

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:40 | 4735087 WTFUD
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German Energy ought to be a protected species.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:20 | 4735153 kurt
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I thought you schnitzel eaters were supposed to be smart.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:13 | 4735060 q99x2
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This WWIII crap is a hoax. I've been listening to everything that comes out of Washington D.C. and it is 99% BS or outright lies. They can't do shit. Now Cheney cancelled going to Cananda. Holder cancelled a speach and Mrs ToTus Cancelled her talk at a college or some place like that. There are 7 billion people that hate those fuckers in Washington D.C. and they can't do shit. They have to cancel all their appearances. I think it is because they lie and they can't stop. And they kill people. But since they lie so much everyone now believes they are killing terrorists because the terrorists are telling the truth or are their employees.

Putin's taking Ukrane and China is taking the China Sea. That didn't come out of Washington D.C. so it is probably true. I think all the politicians in Washington D.C. are going to jump off of sky scrapers before long. I think that's what happens to politicians when the matrix collapses. Sort of like banksters that get ansy for jumping during a stock market collapse.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:24 | 4735068 Jano
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Because Hussein Obimbo can!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:41 | 4735088 Mr. Delicious
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Miller is a Jew


Israel is making deals with Gazprom


Most of the oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are Jewish


open your eyes.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:45 | 4735167 Helg Saracen
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Oriental Jews against Western Jews

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 02:48 | 4735096 WTFUD
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Reggie shunts Barry's skinny black ass, HalleFallujah
Reggie shunts Barry's skinny black ass HalleFaaLoo oo Jah

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 03:01 | 4735103 SpanishGoop
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“The strategy of the U.S. for saving Ukraine must be bu..."


Yea, right.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 07:43 | 4735301 IndianaJohn
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We must destroy The Ukraine to save it. Hang in there Yat, we are sending in your saviour;

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:14 | 4735147 kurt
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Hey Shitball!

Who fuckin died and appointed you Strategy King? 


All War Mongers Please Emphatically Go Fuck Yourself!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 05:05 | 4735164 james.connolly
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BUSH-TRIBE SPEND's $500 THOUSAND USD to get Grandson of HW-BUSH elected dog-catcher of Texas

When the latest member of the Bush family decided to foray into politics, he went with an understated entrance, attracting more headlines for his famous last name than for the relatively low-profile statewide position he was seeking.

George P. Bush — a son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, nephew of former President George W. Bush and grandson of former President George H.W. Bush — is expected to handily win his race for Texas land commissioner in November after easily shaking off a primary opponent in March.

If he does, he will be responsible for managing the state’s vast public lands and extracting royalty fees from the oil and gas companies that drill on them.

A distinguishing feature of George P. Bush’s quest for public office: a campaign war chest totaling $2.2 million — a significant portion of that money furnished by the same industry he will go on to regulate if he wins.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 04:50 | 4735170 Gavrikon
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John McCain is a senile old bully who should be put out to pasture.  Or to sleep.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:13 | 4735505 Lazane
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All one needs to do is look at is (over 20 ) permit applications for new LNG export terminals that the Obummer crew is sitting on. No Permit, no export of American LNG to EU. Its all by design people wake the fuck up!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:34 | 4735559 litemine
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It's playing put out like a Game of Risk, ....and I'm being Risked.

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