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The Next Big Catalyst: East Ukraine May Be Officially Indepedent In Seven Days

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Update: moments after we posted this, Putin did his best to bring attention to just this matter:


And naturally, since there will be no delay as Kiev does not even bother to discuss the referendum while Donetsk will push on but certainly aware of Putin's distance-providing "reservation", Putin will "sadly" have to accept the referendum results.

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The Geneva de-escalation lasted one day. The latest "Putin de-escalates the OSCE" gambit which served its purpose to send spoos higher by 6 points, lasted minutes. To wit:


And the most "de-escalatory" statement of all:


So much for that particular distraction.

However, focusing on what is actually important and market-moving (or will be with a 4-6 week delay in this rigged, non-discounting, broken market) and what most are ignoring for now, is that as previously reported on several occasions, East Ukraine is about to become the next Crimea, following an indepedence referendum that is set to take place in the self-proclaimed Donetsk people's republic on Sunday May 11.

And as Itar-Tass reported moments ago, the results will be in as soon as aweek from today or May 14 which means Russian troops will be officially in what will then be former east Ukraine by the end of next week.

Most polling stations in east Ukraine’s Donetsk Region are already fully equipped for a local referendum that is expected to determine the regional status on May 11, co-chairman of the government of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Denis Pushilin told TAR-TASS on Wednesday.


“Ballot papers are being delivered to polling stations, most of which are already equipped properly,” he said, noting that referendum results are planned to be made public within three days.


Pushilin noted that a sociological survey conducted earlier indicated that a referendum turnout may reach no less than 60%, but it will most likely be higher due to latest tragic events in the country.


“Many calls are coming even from Kiev and western Ukraine,” he said. “Now even those who did not believe that we are right begin to understand all the depth of a catastrophe in Ukraine and begin to realize where this may lead to,” Pushilin added.


Pushilin also did not rule out that provocations were possible in the region on the referendum day on May 11. “All can be expected from the Kiev junta,” he added.

What happens then?

Look no further than the Crimea case study:

  1. Donetsk declares independence
  2. Kiev, the west and NATO condemn the results, sternly refuse to accept the outcome, and issue more sanctions against Russian politicians and oligarchs
  3. Newly "independent" Donetsk requests military support from friendly Russia to defend its population, and the Russian tanks roll across the border

And as other regions in east and south Ukraine follow in the Donetsk' footsteps, assuring Russia a land connection to Crimea and cutting off Kiev from the Donbas industrial zones and the Slavyansk shale gas, Putin wins again.


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Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:16 | 4735512 Sudden Debt
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devide... AND CONQUER!!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:19 | 4735526 max2205
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I'll take Detained for $500...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:25 | 4735541 GetZeeGold
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Papers please.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:31 | 4735552 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Putin laughs and the pigeon cries. Putin is pulling it off without even the need for a full invasion. Good job NATO/EU morons!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:42 | 4735592 101 years and c...
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where's the red line currently at?  its been erased and then moved so many times by obama the douche, i cant keep up.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4735602 Manthong
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The unnatural born citizen pigeon is in multiple pickles ..  Crimea..  Eastern Ukraine,  China/Viet Nam.. China/Japan.. China/Philippines amongst others..

It's just a good thing he has Obamacare buttoned up, climate disruption under control and the economy humming here at home.

A round of golf sounds in order.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:50 | 4735611 Latina Lover
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Putin is just allowing events to unfold.

The East Ukrainians want nothing to do with the Kiev Junta/IMF.There are a few viral videos in East/South Ukraine circulating that if they leave the Ukraine, they will not have to pay the debts, ending up as slaves to the western banksters.  They understand that their gas bill will more than double, taxes will go up, pensions cut and schools closed if they allow themselves to be dominated by the Kiev Kriminals.


If only Americans had the courage of the Russian Ukrainians, we could rid ourselves of our parasitical banksters at once!


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:27 | 4735834 IndianaJohn
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And I wish that my man would toss a pail of corn in my manger. The grass out in the pasture is worse than Chinese food.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 12:48 | 4736459 strannick
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Kiev Fascist Oligarchs/IMF debt/CIA oversight and scheming vs. Putin and subsidized gas. Hmm...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:31 | 4736599 Ying-Yang
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Elsewhere in the world....

Homs - 'Capital of the Syrian revolution' Falls

Rebels begin withdrawing from the city of Homs - a central battleground in the Syrian civil war, once known as the "capital of the revolution" - in a major symbolic victory for Bashar al-Assad.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:58 | 4736739 Lore
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Guess the liver diet didn't help.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:31 | 4735843 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1.  'Mericans would have more courage if only they had guns.  Oh, wait...

As it is, they will shoot-to-kill only at unarmed oppponents (burglars, tresspassers).  Heaven forbid that they'd actually take on an armed force, where they risk their own lives, as the Bundy Ranch event showed.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:47 | 4736229 Overfed
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For now, Americans still have plenty of bread and circuses. Until that changes, nothing changes.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:34 | 4735865 HardAssets
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Of course we have no way of knowing, but it seems highly likely that Russian Spetnatz and other special forces units are operating in Ukraine now. After the murders of people in Odessa, you can just about bet that such a order would be given by someone in the Russian military command structure.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:29 | 4736145 tonyw
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There are plenty of ex-forces people living there, so not much need yet for boots on the ground but a bit of organisation.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:01 | 4736751 Lore
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Wonder how many western-hired "insurgents" are in there now. Those snipers from Maidan still haven't been brought to justice.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:08 | 4736524 BanksterSlayer
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And isn't tomorrow supposed to be the day when Putin and Xi sign the "Holy Grail" gas & oil deal???

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:19 | 4736100 MarsInScorpio
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"Climate disruption" - you gotta love it.


Well, Global Warming went down in flames when there was no warming; Climate Change followed right behind once science went back hundreds of thousands of years to prove the climate is always changing - and just repeating a cycle it's been through before.


So now we'll get really esoteric and go for "disruption" - whatever in the Hell that means. Nothing like unintelligible jargon to avoid losing a debate. The Left-Wing Looney Tunes 5% Fringe academics have been doing it since the 60s.


Yeah, you gotta love it.



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:42 | 4736898 JuliaS
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Climate change? Oh, yeah! I miss the days when climate remained perfectly constant for thousands of years. Room temperature all year around.

Or the ice age... those were the days! The planet was so shiny and pretty! Global warming melted all the ice and allowed ugly vegetation to spread, covering most of the planet instead of some tiny portion in Mesopotamia. The carbon released into the atmosphere provided enough building blocks for all sorts of life to emerge. What a catastrophe!

Do they still refer to people as "carbon based life forms" in schools, cause that's totally raciss!


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 19:25 | 4737741 StychoKiller
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Don't know about you, but I'm proud to be a Saltine-American! :>D

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 19:21 | 4737730 StychoKiller
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Thanks for the reminders on just how well things are going here in the US!  I have no time for golf though, because there are boards/planks that need to be milled into useful furniture.  Perhaps the Obamatron should take up a hammer and help former Prez Carter and quit chasing white balls around a glorified lawn...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:46 | 4735927 TheMeatTrapper
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The red line? It's right here:

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:42 | 4735593 SWRichmond
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And regarding the slience of the MSM:

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:21 | 4735527 Patriot Eke
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This may appear to be the classic divide and conquer strategy, but I would suggest it's more likely "Order through Chaos."

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:42 | 4735597 LetThemEatRand
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New World Order through chaos.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:30 | 4735546 youngman
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It was more like starve them out and conquer

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:41 | 4735591 Harrison
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Meanwhile, a Russian government agency confirms that the Crimea referendum was fraudulent, and that the "pro-Russian forces" not only falsified the ballot results, but also intimidated voters.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:52 | 4735640 Latina Lover
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More lies from the USSA Media. The so called Russian group is another CIA NGO front.


Coming from the Washington Post, what else would you expect?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:23 | 4735802 Harrison
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It's an official Russian government agency.

You think the CIA controls the Russian government?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:01 | 4736000 FMR Bankster
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That's the wonderful thing about the internet. You can search it and sooner or later find some article from some small non descript agency somewhere in every country to support your view. I'm looking right now for proof that Martians will soon arrive with bags of money to bail us all out. When you close your eyes and hear the sound of hoofs, think horses, not zebras.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:38 | 4736639 dracos_ghost
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I thought Yellen WAS a Martian?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 19:32 | 4737775 StychoKiller
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Hmm, the resemblence is remarkable! :>D

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:46 | 4735930 HardAssets
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Maybe the guy posting that is sincere and only a little naive.

Washington Post is not a reliable source, nor is Fox 'news'. And it should be obvious the rest of msm isn't to be trusted either. Gotta check multiple sources and use the tools of logic (including spotting logical fallacies) to help sort it out. With all this, so much is kept secret that we're groping in the dark.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:39 | 4736643 El Vaquero
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Trust nothing.  The truth is already counted among the casulties. 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:41 | 4736652 Tradehard
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LOL I love how you dumbasses believe Russia is somehow not corrupt! It's still one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. You can hate teh USA all you want but that changes nothing.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 18:27 | 4737538 HardAssets
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Tradehard:  "LOL I love how you dumbasses believe Russia is somehow not corrupt! It's still one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. You can hate teh USA all you want but that changes nothing."

Well, I don't know any place that isn't corrupt in some way - - - maybe The Land of Oz

No, wait a minute. They had that wizard fellow pulling the levers behind the curtain, so Oz doesn't qualify as non corrupt either.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:06 | 4735704 Tracerfan
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Debunked.  Try again.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:19 | 4736095 Harrison
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Yeah, it was the lizard people. That must be it.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:34 | 4736615 i-dog
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You're new at this, aren't you?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:08 | 4735717 Savvy
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Check the comments in the article you linked, in particular this one:


I confirmed. It is a false flag. is owned by an NGO not the Russian government.


org: Spetssvyaz FSO RF
(I assume RF is Russian Federation.)


(Which I assume NGO=Non-Governmental Organization)
A quick google for ROCIT, brings up an Australian web design firm.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:51 | 4735951 TheMeatTrapper
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"Meanwhile, a Russian government agency confirms that the Crimea referendum was fraudulent, and that the "pro-Russian forces" not only falsified the ballot results, but also intimidated voters."

The report you cite even admits that "50 - 60%" voted for unification, which would be a majority. Given the fact that the Black Panthers openly intimidated voters in our Presidential election, and thsi was videotaped, perhaps we should invalidate our elections before nitpicking others? 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:15 | 4736543 Libertarian777
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while i don't doubt the turnout was not as high as claimed and that likely not that high a % voted for secession, the article points towards 50-60% voted for secession with 30-50% turnout. So high end of 30% and low end of 15%.

Since one thing we like on ZH is consistency and lack of hipocracy, lets apply this to the USSA's 2012 elections.


~ 330m population

~240m eligible to vote 

~126m voted (52%)

~62m voted for Obama (49%)

so only 18.8% (62/330) of the population wanted Obama in office.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:54 | 4735647 robertsgt40
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Obama plays checkers(or Tiddly Winks).  Putin plays chess 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:13 | 4736535 Tenshin Headache
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You're a bit late to that party. Besides, Putin is playing 3D chess and Obama is playing "find your foot."

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:41 | 4736656 El Vaquero
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He needs only to look in his mouth.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:41 | 4736662 dracos_ghost
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Hey, be careful. Obama is on the rampage and he's super cereal this time:

The Russians will die of laughter and be forced to retreat. Very sneaky strategy. He did go to Harvard you know.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:17 | 4735516 Sudden Debt
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Rome wasn't burned in a day

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:38 | 4735576 medium giraffe
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Nero is probably busy teeing off though.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:26 | 4735816 agent default
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Nero had nothing to do with it.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:17 | 4735518 pods
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No doubt some amerikan "advisors" are handing out marching orders to some more death squads.

Sick fucks!


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:24 | 4735537 SamAdams
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Bombs at the polls?  Snipers on the roof?  Violent government supporting mob?  Which will it be, maybe all three?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:54 | 4735944 HardAssets
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I wonder if Russian Spetnatz and other special forces units will be there (discretely) to 'greet' those fuckers next time.

If I were a commander of such a unit on the ground, I would show my guys those photos - especially of that poor pregnant lady strangled and that woman raped and then burned up. "This is what youre dealing with boys. They could have just as easily been your wives or sisters to those animals.  Make these fuckers pay."

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:14 | 4736801 gcjohns1971
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Everyone presumes that only the Fascists in 'Pravy Sector' can do false flags.

It colud have been the Spetznatz too.

Rushing to judgement is perilously close to being led by the nose.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 18:37 | 4737551 HardAssets
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Thought of that and, of course, that is a possibility. There are historical examples of this. ('Attack' of German troops by Poles in 1939 used a excuse for blitzkreig. 'Attack' of US warship in Tonkin Gulf to justify Vietnam war, etc.)

But, IF the eastern Ukraine regions would vote as did Crimea, nothing would be gained by the Russians by doing that. Much would be risked if that got out, (and it seems much gets out today).

And, unlike western leadership, the Russians may actually give somewhat of a damn for their people.

But, I agree that we need to look at everything with skepticism.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:18 | 4735524 Ignatius
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Hey Texas, are you taking notes?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:32 | 4735553 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We are. ;)

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:10 | 4735619 813kml
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Tejas is very fortunate to have a brilliant governor such as Rick Perry to lead them through tumultuous times.  I hear that his IQ increased 0.000000000000000000001 points since he started wearing glasses.  Effectively, it doubled.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:51 | 4735945 Dr. Engali
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That was pretty damn funny.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:13 | 4736053 Poundsand
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It ain't the govenor, it's the people. 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:21 | 4735534 marginnayan
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Let's get this thing going. The earlier the better. 

Pump coming off futures rather quickly.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:24 | 4735540 IridiumRebel
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Should be good for another 1000 on the S&P!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:30 | 4735549 Cannon Fodder
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So if the people of East Ukraine vote and speak as a population... then how can the EU or US say anything? How can they say anything already about Crimea?

If the people speak, it is the peoples choice. That to me shows Washingtons view of the people. If we can't trust Washington DC to respective the choices of the people of a foreign country when it comes to voting and self determination, why should we expect they will respect the choices of US citizens (same arguement for the EU) when it comes to voting and self determination?

This really is a reflection of how they view citizens... er, I mean slaves....

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:25 | 4736574 agstacks
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Voting is illegitimate. You have to storm buildings and kill a bunch of people for it tp=o be legitimate, unless of course you are a russian terrorist that storms a building in which case you're a terrorist.  Confusing huh?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:11 | 4736787 gcjohns1971
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To Washington - and for that matter to Kiev, Moscow, Brussels, and Berlin - they are pawns, not people.

I have two problems with the narrative I see here generally.

1) The assumption that one of the parties in the dispute must be a 'good guy'.  No they don't. ALL evidence indicates that they are ALL BAD GUYS.

2) The assertion that the US is behind all the events tin the Ukraine.  While I am sure THEY WOULD LIKE TO raises the question to me, "If the CIA is so competent in its Ukraine manipulations, why is it so incompetent in its reactions to the effects of those manipulations????"  

I don't think those two observations are compatible. 

Either the US is behind it all, and playing the master puppeteer with consumate skill, and only PRETENDING to be incompetent in reacting to events

-OR -

It was never behind all this in the first place and - just like a politician - is scrambling to get in front of the parade and pretend to be leading.

I think the USG is PLENTY EVIL ENOUGH to be behind this.  I just note that their reactions to the events they supposedly initiated is very disjointed and incompetent - and that requires some explanation.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:53 | 4736936 CrabNuggetOne
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You misunderstand the motive of the US Gov. They wish to start larger conflicts all around the world while they stand back ready to pick up the pieces (that is, maintain their status as global hegemon) after Eurasia/China/Japan tear themselves apart (again). SCUM.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 01:30 | 4738758 HardAssets
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Your premises are incorrect.

Those acting from the U.S. can be behind initiating these events (and that seems likely given Nuland's comments), while at the same time being incompetent in carrying them out.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:33 | 4735556 Dr. Engali
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What does all this have to do with Alibaba's filing for an IPO?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:38 | 4735575 Cannon Fodder
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It's bullish...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:38 | 4735879 Which is worse ...
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Joking aside, maybe it is bullish. You are transferring economic assets and production from a less competent government to a more competent one. 


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4735606 pods
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Speaking of that Doc, spent some time last night perusing that fine marketplace.  Seemed to find some stuff that might be worth taking a shot at, being 40% of retail.

Then I was reading some "how to shop" Alibaba tutorials and stopped. Turns out if you see anything branded it is a crapshoot and is likey a counterfeit or just a fake pic.  

Was looking at some new surf reels (big surprise I know) and it looked almost like some overstocks as they didn't have every model or size.

Just not worth taking a chance on it.  If this website was for production overruns and stated as much maybe I would give it a shot.

What if you get scammed?  Is "Peggy" going to help you get your money back?  Doubt it.

Rather play the lottery.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:07 | 4735655 Dr. Engali
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I agree 100%. I'll stick with the overpriced Amazon for all it's worth. Having said that Wall street will be pushing this one hard. it will be interesting to watch. There's a good chance that a good portion (tapering is the bulk of the  reason) of the recent tech massacre was to free up money for this IPO.


Edit: I just perused the site to see what a new Cannondale bike would cost me. I just paid $3,500 for a new carbon fiber Cannondale... Alibaba's price...$500. It looks like I paid too much.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:11 | 4735737 pods
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Well Peggy will certainly help you out.  Just click to chat.



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 19:41 | 4737819 StychoKiller
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I ordered some stepper-motor drivers from, got what was pictured.  In some instances, what you're buying are obsolete or end-of-life gadgets.  If you gotta have "bleeding'edge" tech, expect to pay some premiums.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:41 | 4735626 813kml
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Bullish on Alibaba, the IPO is backed by at least Forty Thieves.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:51 | 4736929 Oh regional Indian
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Very ancient of you....

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:36 | 4735561 aleph0
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“Ballot papers are being delivered to polling stations, most of which are already equipped properly,” he said, noting that referendum results are planned to be made public within three days.


Three days from TODAY ?


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:39 | 4735578 _ConanTheLibert...
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3 days after the vote.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:35 | 4735562 RealityCheque
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The're all assholes. Just strikes me that the ones in Kiev deserve more of a fucking-over than anyone else.

Plus I'd like to see Klitschko and his pillock of a girlfriend ("I like saving dolphins from the Japanese but bollocks to strangling and burning pregnant women in Odessa") swinging from a lampost!

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:33 | 4735859 gcjohns1971
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The only difference between the EU government, the US government, the Russian government, and the Ukrainian government is that the Kiev assholes say what they plan to do. 

The rest of them do the same things but shut up about it.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:40 | 4735570 q99x2
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Whole thing is a globalist plan to sell out the west.

France and the US are bringing in Russian and Chinese to protect us as all this is going on.

Detroit and Manhatten NY are going to be owned by China and over a 100000 thousand Chinese troops are in the US.

Jim Cramer is popping up in ads on Q88X2's computer screen. We are under attack.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:40 | 4735583 SheepDog-One
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'France and U.S. are bringing in Russia and China to protect us'.....from who, the Canadians?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:49 | 4735625 Dr. Engali
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Jim Cramer.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:39 | 4736202 Baldrick
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the chinese are buying in Detroit because ANYTHING is better than the communist party after the crash in cheap energy.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:38 | 4735579 SheepDog-One
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So is this like S&P +50ish kind of news, or what?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4735595 tony wilson
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whatsitgonnabethen A

a serco sniper head shot.

a blackwater bullet  heart bullseye

or a

g4s gadaffi style anal rape.



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:56 | 4735661 Latina Lover
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Yeah, that should encourage the Slovyansk Militants to surrender, and end up like the Russians fried in Odessa. /sarc off

Knowing that you would be burned alive, raped and dismembered or mercifully shot, I'll bet that you would fight harder. The Kiev idiots need to shut their mouths.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:15 | 4736074 HardAssets
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You see the results of the brutality involved & its obvious that there are evil psychopaths out there. Such psychopaths can form murderous mobs.

If the American people are ever so stupid as to give up their rights to self defense as recognized in the 2nd Amendment, they will have slit their own throats (literally).

The American founders were wise men.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:49 | 4736235 MarsInScorpio
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No, let them keep talking.


I can't think of anything more inspiring to the pro-freedom forces in east Ukraine than to know it's kill them before they kill you.


The real tragedy is the NY Times / WaPo / CBS / NBC / MSNBC / et. al MSM propaganda outlets ignoring the obvious conclusion that the Kiev butchers are only interested in the "ethnic cleansing" of Russians - followed by the Jews (who, as they watched Hitler rise to power, tried to assimilate even deeper into German society - and now try to do the same with the Ukrainian Nationalists - aka Death Camp Guards, and their bedfellow Nazis).


So, it’s fight or die. That’s motivational – and provides Putin with even more ammo to destroy the US / EU lying machine.


When the Book of Revelations talks about The Great Whore, it is overwhelmingly obvious it speaks of the US.


(And as a special freebie thought for all the End Timers out there - Obama's full name contains 18 characters; 6 + 6 + 6).



Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:15 | 4736072 BlindMonkey
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Please do not forget the other option: neo-Nazi BBQ.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:40 | 4736205 intric8
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would you opt for the ass reaming tony boy,

personally i'd do what latina lover says, arm myself to the hilt

"killed or be detained", come and get me

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4735603 Againstthelie
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wrong thread. :D

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:46 | 4735616 pods
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Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4735612 Agent P
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I can think of 17 billion reasons why Kiev is against this. 

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:56 | 4735663 Martin W
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Sad scenario, but true...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 09:57 | 4735665 Jreb
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Putin schmootin.

I wanna know what the people behind the scenes who are orchestrating this whole thing have to say. Let's here from the international bankers.

Lots of questions: what's their plan? How big will this thing get? How many people will die? What's the end game? Who will profit and how do the rest of us get in on it? Short Russian stocks? US stocks? Enquiring minds want to know.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:28 | 4735831 gcjohns1971
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Not a banker... but isn't it obvious?

They light a fire in every place where Putin or his allies block their pipeline plans.

They're holding Russia's allies hostage to a pipeline deal.

This puts Putin in a tough situation.  He is indebted to Gazprom and Rosneft.

The banksters are holding countries in the Russian zone of influence hostage to Russian compliance. 

Putin has to choose between Russia's zone of influence and Gazprom/Rosneft's desires.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:34 | 4735864 Jreb
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So. What you are saying is go long Ratheon and Red Cross and short humanity. Got it.


Sorry - feeling a little cynical today....

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:55 | 4736258 MarsInScorpio
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You can choose between cynical or suicidal.




You made the correct choice.




Wed, 05/07/2014 - 14:02 | 4736753 gcjohns1971
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MarsInScorpio is right.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:10 | 4735730 shovelhead
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I'm sure we can get Greyrock and the Nazi's to settle things in Donetsk in an amicable manner.

Those dumb Russkies don't know anything about freedom, but we have just the guys to teach them.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:10 | 4735732 Son of Captain Nemo
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The gosel according to "Chuck"... 

I was thinking someone needs to provide this guy with a little help from the medicine chest... Perhaps a heavy dose of some Thorazine with a Risperdal chaser and the long play version of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of Moon" might be just the ticket for him and John(s) Brennan, Kerry and President Remus?

If this is allowed to continue we may all be requiring that type of medicinal therapy!

Going full Nutter!!!


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:12 | 4735742 alentia
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Trade off Syria for Ukraine has been completed.

Al-Quada leaving Homs in Syria while Putin calls for posponded referendum in Eastern Ukraine.

Gas pipeline Iran-Iraq-Syria-EU is much more important for Gazprom than Ukraine.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:38 | 4735884 Jack Burton
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The election will be ahrd to carry out with a Ukrainina military offensive most likely taking place on election day, plus Right Sector will be bussed in to critical areas to attack anyone they can find. But still, getting a set number of people on record as wanting out of the Ukraine and it's coup leaders in Kiev. Nobody in East Ukraine was given a vote or even a say in who would use violence to take power in Kiev, all paid for and coordianted by the USA and NATO. Enev paying so called protestors a daily wage to attack police and occupy buildings using force. This, according to Washington is how democracy works in the age of US hegemony and US freedom spreading. Unwilling East Ukrainians are being turned into debt slaves by the coup leades in Kiev, Yats, an IMF banker, appointed by the USA as ruler of Kiev, is taking billions in loans from the IMF and making the people of Ukraine responsible for servicing this debt over decades to come. Every bit of surplus weath creation Ukraine can manage, that will all go straight to IMF bankers, and people will get no return on their labor. Germany also is going to take control of Donets basin industry and mones, by taking control, Germany can shut these down, fire hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and move all the production to German industry. To pay for the imported German goods, the IMF and EU will vedor finance consumption via these loans. In the end, a Greek style economy will emerge. Under this system, the debt slaves will finally be unable to service their IMF debts, allowing confiscation of their bank accounts and reductions in their unemployment benefits.

Austerity, wage cuts, job cuts, destroying of public services and huge increases in military spending will be needed to make Ukraine NATO ready. The USA is salivating over the missile bases, air bases and arms depots they will be able to put on Russia's border. Giving NATO a chance to strike first and destroy much of Russia before they can react. Should Russia refuse to turn over their nations resources to Western Corporations and allow NATO and the USA to carve up Russia between them. It is already known via Neo-Con writtings, that Japan and the USA are looking forward to their new lands in Russian Far East. Simply dig deeper into Neo-Con writtings and books over the last decade, they do not hide the fact that the USA by right owns Russia, and the pesky natives must be attacked and thrown out to make room for NATO. In this way, NATO is no different than Hitler. Already NATO front line troops are buring up dozens of people when they can pin them down in a building. Actions speak louder than Kerry's lies, watch the videos, see what Right Sector has planned for all thnic Russian Ukrainians. The people in the East have been watching the videos and are surely arming themsleves and preparing to do battle with the Untied States, because Right Sector is an arm of the CIA, which is a US institution of imperial expansion.

Putin is lucky to have a large nuclear weapons triad. This forces Washington to act with some retraint. But Ukraine does not need to practice restraint. This is why Right Sector and the Ukrainian army makes such a perfect proxy for the Obama controlled US military.

I thought Bush was a crased Neo-Con, Irag proved me right. Obama though, he is a great liar, and a much more violent murdered than Bush ever was. The Obama drone war, in which Obama spends his evenings going over kill lists is an expample. His support for Al-Qaeda in Syria and Libya is pure evil. Is Obama Muslim? He acts like he is a Sunni Jihadist. Look at his actions, not his liar mouth. Obama speaks, and the shit filled lies spew out. Of course blacks and liberals believe this neo-con warmonger liar. If the man has his way, millions will die in the coming Obama conquest of East Ukraine.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:45 | 4735926 Ghordius
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"Germany also is going to take control of Donets basin industry and mones, by taking control, Germany can shut these down, fire hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and move all the production to German industry." ???

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:47 | 4735936 Ghordius
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"In this way, NATO is no different than Hitler. Already NATO front line troops are buring up dozens of people when they can pin them down in a building." ??? ???

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 12:15 | 4736345 MarsInScorpio
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Your quote - "The Obama drone war, in which Obama spends his evenings going over kill lists is an example." is one of the most succinct summaries of Obama's psychosis.


I wrote this a couple of months ago and your comment brings it to the forefront again:


It's time to quit lying to ourselves and admit we have a mentally ill president.

He suffers from delusions of grandeur - believing that all he has to do is wave his hand and it is now reality.

This is the result of his pathological lying - he lies about anything and everything - telling the world whatever he wants it to believe regardless of the reality surrounding his pronouncements. He is increasingly disconnected from reality.

He is kept afloat by a tight circle of enablers who cover for him and spin his lies. But that is changing.

I am making this statement not to be mean, but rather because it is time to seriously consider that Barack Obama is not mentally healthy. I am saying this because he is continuing to run farther and farther away from reality in his actions, and believes that whatever he says – becomes the made-over reality that exists only in his mind.

Take his statement that "100-million" people have signed up for ObamaCare - that's nearly 1/3 of the entire 315-million person population of the US. It is a number that prima fascia is irrational.

But Obama stated it as a fact anyway to his Obamabots in Organizing for America. They showed their lack of rational relationship by accepting the number - regardless of its obvious irrational ability to be true. As an aside, it shows that these people are brain-dead, and just accept that whatever Obama says is the truth - with no rational vetting whatsoever.

That's truly scary.

But scarier still is this: NO ONE in the WH dared correct him. No statement came out saying so much as issuing the typical lame excuse that he "misspoke." Nothing. The WH enablers fell silent (as did the Looney Tunes Left MSM).


This is what makes their silence so scary: It means that the WH aides are at a point where they so fear the mad king's wrath that they will abandon reality for his irrational fantasies. They will no longer be a wall of reality constraining his thinking to the Real World.

In short, they are no longer Gatekeepers, but rather like “Alice in Wonderland,” they are the cards painting the roses red for the insane Queen of Hearts.

"She wanted white - then said what a fright, so now she's wants them red instead; we're painting the roses red, we're painting the roses red - we can't say no we won't, because if we don't, she'll want our heads instead! So we're painting the roses red . . ."

I realize that take from Alice in Wonderland goes over the heads - or should I say through the air-heads - of the Obamabots. But what do you expect from people who passively accept 100-million people being signed up for ObamaCare?

That is mental disconnect. That is insanity. That is Barack Obama.

Don't apologize for thinking him ill; he is ill.

And this latest exercise in waving his hand, and thinking that reality magically changes when he does, shows Barack Obama is disconnected from reality, and must be removed from office before his mental illness drives him to even more desperate, irrational thinking - and even more dangerous, irrational actions.

If you agree, please copy this post and circulate it as much as you can. Pull the plug on the psycho sociopath.


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 12:35 | 4736412 Atticus Finch
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It's the American way. No?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:56 | 4736736 gcjohns1971
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I have no confidence that Obama, his administration, his senior bureaucrats, his senior operatives are as omnipotently competent as you are promoting  here.

If they do not display that level of competence to achieve their agenda at home, why should I believe they have it thousands of miles away?

I think that the EU has ambitions to be a super state.

I am 100% certain that the EU are already manipulating events with respect to Russia, Ukraine, and gas supplies - and that they have been doing it for at least 10 years.



I think that the EU is not obedient to Obama or to the US, as Russia supposes.  I think that they are simply owned by the same set of bankers.  And those bankers see the sun setting on the American Century, and are shifting their focus to the EU.

I think you can see that in the transfers of wealth from the US Fed Reserve to the ECB member banks over the last six years.

I think that the EU is driving the situation in the Ukraine, and the US was caught with its pants down.

If the US is driving, why are all the responses to feckless and incompetent? Why did the Geneva accord do nothing?

Putin has invited EU leaders and energy interests to Moscow to discuss.  If their deal sticks better than Geneva - even a little better - it indicates that the Americans were never the ones in charge in this situation.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 20:38 | 4738023 alentia
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Completely irrelevant "cut & paste" by Putin's Troll

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 19:01 | 4737651 HardAssets
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@ Jack Burton - thank you for the thought provoking analysis.


If all is as it appears to be, that is, a conflict between Russia & the West rather than a part of some greater hidden co-operative plan between them - - - what would be the Russians perspective ?

It seems to me, that this ultimately would be seen as an existential threat to their continued existence as an independent people. It also seems that if NATO seeks to further strengthen their strategic advantage in regard to the Russians, that it could cause them to launch a nuclear first strike against the West while they were still able to do so. When the 3rd Reich was collapsing, Hitler was quite willing to have Germany completely destroyed. That's how pyschopaths 'think'.



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 07:58 | 4739127 withglee
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Speaking of debt slaves, how did Kiev get so far behind on their natural gas payments?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 10:55 | 4735974 Son of Captain Nemo
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Anybody spot this one with the ongoing forensic investigation of the fire last Friday in the municipal buidling that "burned" 40 people to death?

Let's just hope they weren't taking suggestions from our proud men and women in uniform turned merc given the fact that we've done the exact same things in places like Iraq and Afghanistan...


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:03 | 4736012 border dog
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Putin has all the cards and is playing the hand that was scheduled some time ago....the West is no real challenge to Putin and the KBG....they are working on the next big deal...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:06 | 4736023 border dog
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Putin has all the cards and is playing the hand that was scheduled some time ago....the West is no real challenge to Putin and the KBG....they are now working on the next big deal...

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:12 | 4736050 intric8
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A nice little de-escalation trick is to have white flags flying on those russian tanks as they roll into donetsk. As a symbol of peaceful intervention. No?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:13 | 4736059 aminorex
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We need to supply the Ukrainian government with tactical nukes ASAP

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:22 | 4736111 intric8
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forget white flags then, tow ICBM's in on trailers

Man i am lolling at the sight of it. THAT'll send a strong message. Maybe exactly what russia needs to communicate at this point, mess with the bull and you'll get the fucking horns

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 11:25 | 4736121 kchrisc
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Must send more cookies.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 12:59 | 4736496 PiratePiggy
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Has Homeland Security changed our advisory color yet?  Anyone fired over 9-11 yet?


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:06 | 4736515 dirtyfiles
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that is Putins check mate

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:16 | 4736546 ShrNfr
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Yes mate, it is. Obama is so experienced in chess that he probably only thinks of checks as something that he bounces.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:09 | 4736528 SheepDog-One
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'The next big catalyst' mean this is not baked-in yet? How the fuck did that happen?

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:15 | 4736542 ShrNfr
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Oh ye of little faith. I am sure that Obama will save the day by wagging his finger and saying "Let there be no mistake. There will be consequences. I have instructed Lurch to set a red line."

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:24 | 4736572 syntaxterror
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Blowjob Barry of House Foodstamp wins again. Now watch this drive!


Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:28 | 4736583 SmittyinLA
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Gazprom went up 5% today

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