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East Ukraine "Defies" Putin, Will Hold Independence Referendum
Yesterday, when like clockwork the algos were fooled by the latest "de-escalation" fig leaf offered by Russia, in which Putin casually threw it out there that east Ukraine should postpone its referendum sending the stock market surging, we said "naturally, since there will be no delay as Kiev does not even bother to discuss the referendum while Donetsk will push on but certainly aware of Putin's distance-providing "reservation", Putin will "sadly" have to accept the referendum results." Less than 24 hours later we are proven right once more when moments ago the head of the elections commission of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, Denis Pushilin, said the decision was unanimous to go ahead with Sunday's vote as planned. So much for that, and indeed, Putin will "sadly" have to accept the Donetsk decision to become independent, and most likely ask Russia to protect it, in less than a week.
Or, as a NYT reporter summarized our forecast after the fact:
Donetsk and Lugansk will hold referendums as planned. Kiev will continue anti-terror op as planned. And Moscow can say it tried...
— Andrew Roth (@ARothNYT) May 8, 2014
A pro-Russia insurgency in eastern Ukraine decided Thursday to go ahead with a referendum on autonomy despite a call from Russian President Vladimir Putin to delay the vote.
Putin on Wednesday had urged them to delay the referendum, which many fear could be a flashpoint for further violence between Ukrainian troops and the pro-Russia militants who have seized government buildings in about a dozen cities in eastern Ukraine.
Pushilin said the suggestion to postpone the vote "came from a person who indeed cares for the people of the southeast" of Ukraine. "But we are the bullhorn of the people," he said.
The organizers have said the referendum was on whether to give the eastern regions more autonomy within Ukraine, but they have left open the possibility of using it to seek independence or annexation by Russia.
Putin's comments had appeared to be an effort to step back from confrontation with the West over Ukraine. He also declared that Russia has pulled its troops away from the Ukrainian border, although NATO and Washington said they saw no signs of this.
Putin also spoke more positively about the Ukrainian interim government's plan to hold a presidential election on May 25, calling it a "step in the right direction," but reiterated Russia's long-standing contention that it should be preceded by constitutional reforms.
His spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, added on Thursday that the election could only be considered legitimate if Ukraine stops its "punitive operations" in the east and begins a national dialogue on resolving the crisis, the Interfax news agency reported.
And with that perfectly anticipated distraction aside, we can go back to what we yesterday called is "The Next Big Catalyst: East Ukraine May Be Officially Independent In Seven Day." Make that six days.
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Is this DXY gonna break under 79 today or what....
This time next week Russian troops will be in "new Russia."
Looks like DXY is gonna break below 79 alright...
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/DXY/charts?symb=DXY&countryco...
Mr. Putin......build that wall.
In Russia, you do not build wall, wall builds you.
I'm goin long on Vodka. My favorite is Absolut.
^.^
I love it when Google is honest;
https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=cr&ei=imRrU4zJN8eAPd7pgIgE#q=Ukrainian+states&spell=1
Ukraine
Capital: Kiev
Government: Dictatorship
Hey poppet, why are you editing history in wiki?
Here is presense. 07-May-2014
SBU releases evidence[...]separatist 'referendum' on instructions from Russia (audio)
“Donetsk [the largest city in the east] won’t hold out. If we aren’t helped… if Russia doesn’t go in, we are fucked,” said the voice that SBU claimed is Boitsov’s. “I’m canceling the referendum on this date because it won’t happen.”
“Dima, Dima, you can’t cancel it, no way. It’s going to come out like you’re scared,” the Barkashov voice replied, adding, “Just write whatever you want. Write 99 percent! What are you going to walk around and collect papers? Are you fucked in the head?”
“Ahh,” the operative says. “Done, I understand.”
Info: Russian National Unity (RNU) is a neo-nazi political party and paramilitary organization based in Russia and operating in states with Russian-speaking populations. It was founded by the ultra-nationalist Alexander Barkashov. The movement advocates the expulsion of non-Russians and an increased role for traditional Russian institutions such as the Russian Orthodox Church.
Images of Barkashov's neo-nazi party
Barkashov is a nobody, what is he, an electrician with a "party" of several hundred people and no repesentatives in the Duma? Why would someone in Donetsk even care what this nobody thinks?
According to the video, Barkashov consults directly (and advises to) with Russian political parties' leaders, and Putin.
Besides, Gubarev, the self-proclaimed leader of so-called Donetsk People's Republic is a member of Barkashovs' neo-nazi party: http://pauluskp.com/news/48143535d
If they were not supported directly by Putin, then what all this mess is about? Why Putin threatens Ukraine for conducting anti-terrorist actions against these Russian nazis that occupied Donetsk, torture and murder local people for just holding Ukrainian flag?
Sure Fonz, its back to the days of 2 dollars for every pound. Holding the currecny that will be devalued least as compared to the new global reserve is the only way to preserve your purchasing power within the system. See www.wocu.com and place your bets.
Know your enemy
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interesting post thanks.
Or did you mean "old Russia"?
To understand what is going on in that region, you need to remember that in the eyes of a hardcore Russian nationalist, the Ukraine is a fake country with a fake culture, and the whole thing should be annexed to Russia.
Referenda for independence and/or union with Russia in parts of pro-Russian Ukraine are not a sign of Russian strength. Russian strength = taking it all. A precedent that either:
1) any region in Russia's sphere of influence has the right to self determination based on popular vote; or
2) that only part of Ukraine should be annexed to Russia
-- both of these would be a historical compromise and/or sign of weakness from Russia. Putin stalling regional referenda would actually be a sign of strength -- of belief that he can eventually take it all.
Looking forward to more vote fraud and voter intimidation by the "pro-Russian" vermin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/06/russi...
Yeah, 97% in favor, just like 100% of Iraqis were in favor of Saddam Hussein.
Well.... at least there is a vote!
Short memory? The current 'government' is there by force.
How many people voted to replace the Kiev government with this farce?
Oh yes, thats right .... ZERO.
Sorta like our government.
We're all comrades now.
Next someone will tell me Obammy legitimately won in 2012. Ha!
Hey Harrison/Banderstani,
... ever occur to you that pro russian vermin might think of themselves as human, with the same rights to self determination as you?
His response;
"No, they aren't. They are blood thirsty terrorists, because, they aren't doing why the USSA wants them to."
And your response is apparently "It's ok to force all of your neighbors to be subjugated to Putin's Russia, as long as you hold a fake ballot."
And how do you know the ballet is fake...because the washingtonpost/Nudelman/USSA/EU told you? Would you want to live in a country where your first language is outlawed, your currency is depreciated, your savings are frozen by currency controls, your natural gas price triples, your pensions are cut by 50%, your schools are closed, and ruled over by a coup government comprised of Oligarchs?
Yeah, the vote must be fixed, LOL.
Kinda sounds like the US. You really think voting matters? What fool believes in voting? You have no say in life, just as the Ukrainians have no say. Acting like one group of gangsters is worse than another is just, well, moronic.
There is a ruling class and we aren't in it.
LL, you are talking about Russia right ?
>> And how do you know...
You certainly will not know anything truthful from Russia Today.
SBU released evidence
“Just write whatever you want. Write 99 percent! What are you going to walk around and collect papers? Are you fucked in the head?”
Hi,
I'm the European Union, have we met?
I'm still missing your reasoning. behind your hate for the EU. all I have is that you would vastly prefer to be a northern club of sovereigns, with a Northern EUR, or NEURO
My hate for the EU started out as an economics project.
As an American I didn't originally have a "dog in the race" but after working on my Mastersarbeit for about 6 months in 2012 I came to the conclusion that the Euro makes literally ZERO economic sense. So then I asked myself WHY does an economic union exist, when there are no quantifiable reasons for it to exist?
The answer came about in the phrase of "European Unity," via the political dog-and-pony show that is most European "democracies" at this point. And while I think basing a economic union (which makes no economic sense) on a political union, there has to be at least consent of the population via domestic democratic mechanisms to justify the political union which in turn justifies the economic one. Regrettably, when I started to research the EU's "democratic legitimacy" I was underwhelmed to say the least.
Most "European" politicians points to the various referendums in the 70s as the justification for the EU to exist, but even a little research one ANY of those referendums shows that it was sold to the people as a "common market" or "free trade zone" and nothing more. Then slowly but surely it started amassing powers that it was not granted in the various referendums from the 1970s. While these were confirmed by local governments through various treaties the public was never given a say on the matter as the EU marched on towards becoming a federal state. Then in 2005 there were two additional referendums for the EU Constitution, in France and in the Netherlands. Both of which said "no." So instead of listening to the population's they repackaged the EU Constitution as the "Treaty of Lisbon" which, in some early drafts still said "EU Constitution." The treaty needed no referendum to be confirmed by the respective populations, and thus it became "law" -- against the public'S consent.
Then there was the Irish vote, who voted not once but TWICE to reject the Lisibon treaty. What did the EU do? The changed their rules so that treaties no longer needed unanimous EU member state consent to become effective and binding. How's that for democracy?
Thereafter the EU replaced Papendrau after he said he wanted to give the Greek people a referendum on whether they wanted to accept or reject the 2012 bailout package. He was removed from government by the end of the week by Brussels -- for what? Wanting to give his own people a voice.
Burlesconi made the same mistake a couple months later, and he too, was replacement. Both replacements were not by people who were elected, but by Goldman Sachs EU Federalists who ignored the will of the people to do the EU's bidding.
So I hate the EU because it is a political union, that is not supported by the will of its "population" while simultaneously supporting an economic union that makes no economic sense.
That is why I hate the EU.
a few points on which I differ with your reasoning
- "most... politicians point to various referendums in the 70s..." this is the British anti-EU reasoning. see below my discussion with InTheMix, referenda are a national matter
- in the same spirit, please never call national governments "local" governments. they are all sovereign nations... engaged in treaties
- yes, the referendum round for a EU constitution failed. I was btw relieved, when this happened. Yet this does not mean that treaties can't be done
- if public consent was so low - note that in the UK and arguably in The Netherlands it was lowest - why did the 28 elected parliament ratify it? as for all other treaties?
- your details on the Irish vote are faulty, I'm afraid. you should study better what really happened in Ireland. the second referendum posed different questions from the first one. and Ireland had further referenda, where they further changed their constitution to accomodate, for example, the Fiscal Compact. and there the Irish People voted a few times Aye
- the Greek Parliament replaced Papandreou. at most, you can say that the EU peers pressured the Greek Parliament to do so
- the Italian Parliament replaced Berlusconi (btw, I supported Berlusconi until nearly the end, here on ZH). same reasoning
- do you really think that the Squid is a friend of the EU? that damn parasite is the biggest saboteur of it
at this point I could ask why you think that the EU is a political union at this stage. imo it's more a treaty-based-org, costing us all one trillion per seven years. and for sure not a federation, at most something on the way to a confederation of sovereign nations
yet I have to ask: you live in Germany and don't know even one single EU-Federalist? where do you hang around? whenever I'm in Germany I practically have to keep them away with a stick!
anyway, thanks for your quite comprehensive answer, I appreciate your effort
Point 1)
I am afraid to tell you, you are incorrect. While this is a common line in British anti-EU propaganda, this is an English speaking blog, so naturally it will resemble their words. In both Germany and Austria it was advertised as a "Freihandelszone" -- which is materially more than at this point.
Point 2)
European nations are sovereign nations in the sense that Bavaria is sovereign within the Bund. They take their marching orders from Brussels, and there have been BFG decisions subjecting German law to that of the EU. I know that this is the same in many other EU states.
Point 3)
Because the political parties all over Europe have been bought and paid for by Brussels. In no country is it more evident in Germany. Over 40% of the population here would be classified as "EuroSkeptics," however of that 40%, how many are represented in the Bundestag? ZERO. Every anti-EU party gets labeled a Nazi by everyone else, and they get relegated to extreme-right wingers by the main stream media, who are in the hands of said politicians and who are thus in the hands of Brussels. See, even though you are a EU supporter, you would be hard pressed to deny that the EU doesn't have a powerful hand in local government.
Point 4)
Did any other country, other than Ireland need "clarification" of what they were voting on? No. I encourage you to do a tad more research on the Irish vote. The Irish were raked over the coals, and you would again, be hard-pressed to deny it.
Point 5)
"Hey, worthless Greek politician. Your country is broke. Get rid of your prime minister or I will make sure you get no more money, and I will fund your opposition." Pragmatically, they (the EU) had him replaced.
Point 6)
So you are saying you were a fan of Berlusconi until he wanted to allow Italians to vote on their membership of the EU, and then you jumped ship? How diplomatic of you.
Point 7)
Monti did everything the EU wanted him to with one, irrelevant exception. He is a fan of the EU.
Point 8)
Sure I know plenty of EU Federalists, some are blearily-eyed and there is no talking sense to any of them. After a few wasted hours, it always comes down to the "Well, if we don't have it we'll have a war." Which is nonsense, and complete garbage. At this point I conclude that euthanasia would be better for said person and move on.
Then there are the others, which you can talk reasonably to. I worked on this one guy for a couple weeks -- he turned in his SPD voter registration card, and is now a member of the AfD. If my German was better I would do a series of webinars picking apart the EU point by point. When you get down to it, there is no reason for it to exist.
Point 9)
Why does a treaty organization which is not political need a parliament (without any power mind you), embassies, foreign ministers, passports, and the link?
ok, so it looks like we have to agree on disagreeing on quite a lot. thanks again. to your points:
1) how about "more integration"? I hear that since decades, in both Germany and Austria. and today from Draghi
2) Bavaria has no army, (no navy) and no airforce. Germany does, and some Allied forces, too. Bavaria is a federated State (actually Freistaat), albeit with the "Texas-like" "confederational" right to exit the Federal Republic of Germany... if they want to
3) I reject this "bought and paid by the EU", which is 3b) not an argument for the German political situation regarding parties which are deemed as "Against the German Constitution". 3a) Bought and paid suggests money. Where? Who?
4) I did. It looks like I came with different conclusions, or perhaps you have not studied the facts from reliable sources. 4a) Why did the Irish vote for the Fiscal Compact constitutional amendments?
5) Yes. That's called International Diplomatic Pressure. Sovereigns get this stuff all the time. It's part and parcel of their status. The country least used to that lately is... the US. Specifically, it was the same smaller club of northern bail-out partners that pressured Greece, btw, not the EU
6) Silvio does not mind. btw, he never suggested to leave the EU. he suggested leaving the other club, the eurozone
7) well, my jury is still out about how much Monti and Draghi are Squiddies and how much they are... Italians. Lately, I tend to the latter
8) they are insufferable, aren't they? my understanding is that they are a majority. If you do webinars, I hereby offer my help. particularly on the influences of lobbys on the EU parliament, which you don't seem to mind or just forgot
9) ask our insufferable EU-federalists. Particularly the British ones that asked for Baroness Ashton's role. Though I have to admit that at certain levels it helps, particularly with our American Cousins, but also with China, for example
1) The problem with "more integration" is it is code for "wealth transfer from North to South." Every time you hear that word, that definitely means 1) giving more power to brussels (which has numerous problems with corruption already) 2) at the expense of what should be sovereign states. It usually means 1) The wealthier northern nations paying a shitton of cash to the southerners, because, solidarity, 2) and a long slew of justifications for integration such as "to prevent war" "to promote peace" "to keep the peace on the continent" "so that another war never happens" "to preserve the greatest peace since the end of the second world war" (you see where this is going, and surely you can realise that these reasons all deal with one concept, which is, for the most part -- complete crap.
2) Sure, there is no army, but this wasn't my anaology. When Berlin makes a rule/law, Bavaria is subject to it. When Brussels makes a law (for example limiting the length of cuecumbers, or prohibiting olive oil on the table at Italian restaurants) Berlin is subject to it.
3) You are referring to the NPD and National Socialist Underground, which I find ironic as the only part of the Grundgesetzt they violate is the part banning (or severely limiting) their existance. Other such parties have been the Republikaner and I can provide you with literally dozens of quotes from anyone from die Linke to mainstream SPD candidates calling the AfD nazis.
4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QmH-7fu68
5) Explain to me how a free trade zone that lacks a political component can exert diplomatic pressure. And if you are so ok with international diplomatic pressure such as this, then you would be okay with International Diplomatic Pressure from Russia on the Eastern Parts of Ukraine to seperate from Ukraine and join russia? Come'on Ghordo, intellektuelle Folgerichtigkeit über Weltanschauuung.
6) To which he was removed. He wanted to leave the EMZ (apologies) and he was removed, even though he was elected, and wanted to do something that the EU didn'T like so *poof* he disappeared.
7) They are definitely not the majority. The majority is pro-EU, but not EU Federalists. I imagine the majority think fairly similarily to you, with a growing minority who are quite similar to UKIP ideologically.
8) Labour are insufferable.
on a more general level:
don't mix up the EU and the eurozone. they are two different clubs. we could shut one of them immediately without even changing one iota about the other
the EU parliament has a lot of power. it just has to share it with the EU Council, which used to be in a more senior before the Lisbon Treaty
Anecdote of the day:
U.S., Yale University professor in a huge audience reads students a lecture on civics:
"We have to promote in our country universal moral and ethical values??. We need to educate society of people who can think, and be honest and decent."
Professor interrupts hysterical cry from the audience: "Stop! Stop immediately this pro-Putin propaganda!".
Who the hell is Banderstani?
And if the Russians want to be a part of Russia, they are welcome to move there. It's called "voting with your feet".
Red eyes at morning, sailor take warning.
I'm sorry, but the United States said it is not right. Serbs many times offered Albanians from Kosovo vote with their feet. I mean to return them to their homeland - in Albania. But Washington said that they are not the Albanians, but the "Kosovars". And so they have a right to self-determination. Now it has become the rule for all people, sorry.
Harrison
Here is another link that is bound to be downvoted
http://t.co/IZqZby68t9
Its a survey that thinks that the majority of Ukrainians/Russians
in Ukraine in effect dont want to be a part of Russia.
I don't trust this poll, but even if they do not want to be part of Russia, it does not mean that they wish to be ruled by an illegal unelected Kievan central government.
the legality of the Kiev government depends from how you are used to look at governments
for people used to presidential republican setups, the elected president went AWOL, or was chased away
for people used to parliamentary republican setups, the elected parliament is still there, and appointed a new government
What about the various Pro-Russian parlimentarians that were also "chased away?"
Does that mean if the NPD chases away the rest of the Saxony parliment, then Saxony would be governed 100% by Neos and you would say its legitmate?
yes, how many of them do you have to "chase away" or lose because they leave in protest before you can declare it as a rump parliament? at what percentage does the legality of an elected parliament stop, for you?
You answer the question first.
Still waiting for a vote of "no confidence" out of Ukraine.
To Ghordius and logged-out Ghordo who down voted me; I asked you first, thus you answer the question first.
Don't answer a question with a question. Basic humanity 101.
have a look at my avatar, then realize that I'm posting comments here on ZH since 2 years and 49 weeks with said EUR avatar. do you really think I care about up- and down-voting? I don't even understand why this feature is here, except for laughs
ok, I'll answer: if a parliament from let's say 10 provinces loses - because of separatism - 5 provinces's worth of parliamentarians... well, it's still legitimate for the 5 provinces that are left
example: the US Congress during the US Civil War. nobody argues that it was illegitimate in the North, do they? they have all a lot of other things to argue about, for example if it was legitimate in the South
Ich möchte dich einen Tipp geben.
Das Übersetzung für "Seit" auf Englisch ist "for" nicht "since."
Du schreibst fast perfektes Englisch, außer das "for" und "since." Typische Fehler für einen Deutsche Muttersprachler. Kein Stress.
Dein Englisch ist viel besser als mein Deutsch!
thanks. it's btw Dir, not dich. Ich gebe immer Dir etwas. Dativ, from the Latin root dare, means to give
Yes, I noted that when I write in English I tend to think in German and make typical German mistakes. My stress is more on how fast I have to be in order to keep up on those exchanges. Sorry to say, I'm nearly too old for this. And German isn't really my mother tongue. I can't claim to even have one
"Mein Sohn", you know what I wish for you? That you take some vacations in the South, and perhaps even get a girlfriend out of it. A French Mademoiselle, perhaps, or a Spanish Senorita, or an Italian Signorina. Angry old Bavarians... I have a couple of them as friends, but too much is too much
anyway, can't claim I did not enjoy it. all the best, or until the next battle of electronic ink
Legitimate governments? All western governments are bolshevik jew concoctions used to create alternating periods of hope, fear and frustration as they work you as slaves. Some slaves need to be treated better, as they were accustomed to some form of liberty prior to WWI. Still, they are all being brought to the level of grog swallowing imbeciles, happy to spend their lives on the chain gang for debt notes from Central banking mafias.
They can afford all the trolls they need, which is easily evidenced by the pro russian takeover of the zh comments board. Putin and Obama are tools, probably sharing the same 8 year old boy in some satanic ritual, while we are told how they conducted a "State meeting".
The darkness of the world is an indictment of its' leaders. Their results put lie to their statements. However, we are fools to trade our lives and those of our children and grandchildren for the deceptions of demons.
Perhaps some people get into the 'good guy vs bad guy' mode too often.
Here's how some of us see it - - - we don't think Putin is a 'good guy'. We don't bother making such an analysis, which is for the Russians to decide. They choose who their leaders are.
What matters, is if someone is a threat to us physically and to our freedoms (such as what's left of them). Previously, Putin has threatened neither of these things. A good analogy is that of a nest of hornets. Youre standing there and then some guy comes up with a stick and starts poking at the nest. The hornets were no threat until that idiot started bothering them. Now they may soon be coming toward both of you.
Neo con elements in the west are playing their geo-political 'games'. They have directly threatened the Russians by strategic encirclement. In playing this 'game', they may eventually endanger the world by leading it into thermo-nuclear WW3. The neo-cons are stirring up the hornets nest and poking it with a stick and it is they who are the threat to us. It is these same neo-cons who are the greatest threat to our physical safety and our freedoms.
We need to follow the wisdom of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson - - - no entangling alliances, mind our own damned business
You actually think that Russia and the US or China are on different sides? That is precious. When there is a war, it will be because the Eltes wanted the war. It will have nothing to do with neocons nor hornet nests. The leaders are ALL PUPPETS. They do what they are told. The media is controlled by the zionists- everywhere.
Russian communism, American communism, European communism- they are all the different iterations of a single slavery system , all begun by the bolshevik jews before WWI . Slaves are chattel, they are never secure nor safe. They are used to accomplish the tasks of their masters.
You think there is a "side"? Then, why does it never change? Regardless of the philosophy or leaders. The system remains the construct for social organization. The system is law and finance. The system is the tyranny that surounds us in every aspect of our lives. Until you understand the prison you reside in, you are hopeless to escape.
HT,Yanukovich wasn't chased away, he ran. His party of Regions disowned him and voted in a new government.
They didn't have to did they ?
HT,Yanukovich wasn't chased away, he ran.
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1. In Ukraine Constitution is not a word "ran". Legitimacy of the President is not depending on its location at any time. Otherwise, Obama is losing its legitimacy whenever he travels outside the U.S. borders.
2. In Ukraine Constitution is not provided position of "Acting President".
Just curious, how much does the FSB pay you per post?
A dollar two eighty.
Do you think that any honest and decent man who understands the laws and knows how to think - is an agent of the FSB?
- If the majority of Ukrainians do not want to be a part of Russia, then why are you afraid to hold a referendum?
- If the majority of Ukrainians do not want to have Russian as a second, then why are you afraid to hold a referendum?
- If the majority of Ukrainians do not want the federal structure of the country, then why are you afraid to hold a referendum?
Ukrainians are not afraid of a Referendum, what they are afraid of is the fraud
that would come with it. Get independent vote counters in then no problem.
You can invite international observers. But there is one problem . So-called international observers, never go on any vote, if is known exactly in advance, that the results of vote would be contrary to the interests of Washington.
The situation with the vote in the Crimea is a good example .
No one can vote against the interests of Washington. Any vote against the interests of Washington, anyway be deemed illegal.
If it is possible to rig the vote in favor of the interests of the U.S. , international observers come and admit to rigged vote as a reality.
But if you can not rig the vote in favor of the interests of the United States, international observers did not come never. And thus, the any vote that are contrary to U.S. interests, will declared as a illegal.
Pew"Research". Thats enough for me to shut it down right there.
Saddam Hussein - who is this?
This is the same Saddam, whom the Americans killed on false and trumped-up charges by U.S. intelligence?
In Iraq, it is, huh? It is Iraq, where the United States continue to seek weapons of mass destruction, even after the official recognition that it is not there?
How many did Saddam kill--- how many did Iraq war kill and still killing ? Only real difference are names of billionaires created by US taxpayer dollars. Vermin exist in both East and West.
So I guess the 150 DAX & Dow ramps will have to come back off then? ...Good luck with that!, looks like the Computer has been programmed to end the day at 16600
and thats with the USD/JPY well under 102
Whatever you think of Putin, you have to admire the way he is playing this. Meanwhile in the US, Obama will not bother to get to the job before 9 AM.
In which time zone?
Ask Reggie, since Obama is too busy on the 'down low'.
Indeed. The dedicated politician Putin is loved by everyone with more than two braincells. Where is Hussein Obama on the world stage? Nowhere, he's just drowning in selfpity and protecting gangsta retards. "It could have been me ..."
Wouldn't it be better if Obama didn't get to the job at all?
For you maybe, cause the chinese are coming for their money.
Looks like Vlad would rather cool things off and organize the vote better. I would, anyway.
I do not think at this point he wants conflict since he has a brain.
Meanwhile, Bath House is acting like a horny homo in a bathroom stall.
"C'mon, buddy! suck it! please ??? Please please suck it!!!"
"Nyet!
"I'm not letting you get away, lamb chop!"
"Suck on this fist, yankee toyboy *WHAP*"
Again, Putin moves Chess pieces while Obomba plays Hungry Hippos. One can't help but laugh.
But there was no vote when Khruschev gave Crimea to Ukraine. What's the fuss here - last year the EU blew off Ukraine. Maybe America should have followed that lead?
The big May Day tank parade may have been delayed a little...but it will roll soon.
The band's getting back together.
This will save West Ukraine postage for their gas bills....once they scrape together enough money to pay them.
I'd have turned the valve off on those deadbeats weeks ago...Vlad's definitely more patient then our power company here in Indianapolis.
Let's hope the Mexican illegals vote to make Indianapolis a part of Mexico real soon. That'll show ya.
And Free Hawai'i !
Let's hope the Mexican illegals vote to make Indianapolis a part of Mexico real soon. That'll show ya.
If the power in Washington will be captured by the Nazis, through mass murder, why not?
Financial Wealth & Putin's Billions
Financial WWIII
RE
On one hand, one can't help but admire Barry for dealing with everything that comes his way, on the other hand, ignoring everything is not such a noble venture....Ah, at least there's the links to escape to...
Putin knew they would do it regardless of what he says. His comments were for the Fascist / Western consumption.
And boy, didn't CNBC lap it up. All day headlines of "stocks up due to ease in ukraine". They're still running that line.
<-- would rather live in northwestern ukraine
<-- would rather live in putie's southeastern area
Better to be among the pro-Russian separatists than among pro-Nazi pederasts.
I was in Ukraine last week, tourists everywhere enjoying themselves, not a nazi in sight.
Even some Russians who are a bit upset with Putin.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rj...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rj....
A lot of pidherasts around Silver mainly in Moscow.
I do not live in Moscow. I live in Europe and I am not a supporter of Putin. If some people are honest and decent, if these people do not like the Nazis and pederasts, it does not mean that they live in Moscow and that they Putin's supporters.
Buzz, I doubt whether you have been to either
to make a choice of your own but they are both part of Ukraine and
God willing they remain that way.
I've never feared people who are smarter than I am ... as long as they're honest. It's these damn dishonest dolts with power that scare me.
Food for thought folks, and throwing this out there like.
On the 22nd of this month, the whole of the EU gets the chance to vote for their respective members in the EU parliamentry elections, the anti-EU vote is running just above 30% as whole and here in Blighty/ed the UKIP is running at 40%.
Any other European friends on here give a touch on your anti-EU groups?
You dont think the various fuckers running us into the ground around here would plan something nefarious as to cancel these elections do you?
Just putting it out their folks.
;-)
friend, I have to confess that if I had a British citizenship or lived on dear old Blighty, I'd vote for UKIP and laugh all the way to the poll station and back
since I hold continental european citizenships, I'll vote for pro-EU parties of my choice, and not because they are pro-EU
yet I'm curious why you hold the EU for a bad thing. remember that if the UK leaves the EU or get's it's way in the EU, your wage would be even more in competition with Indian or Chinese wages
then the UK in it's whole is still driving toward free trade. globalization, you know? I would have further questions for you, but I don't know your personal situation and I don't want to pose nosey questions
No problem at all Gordius, and ask me anything you want mate.
I'm not against the EU at all, as people, but as an unaccountable institution.
It was only ever meant to be a trading block of partners who didnt kill each other every fifty years or so, but the way its going, especially with nationalism on the rise, all I can see looming is violence.
And dont get me wrong friend, if you think, that I think UKIP is the salve for all our problems you have me all wrong.
You see, they forgot one important thing while fleecing us, they never 'Asked' us if this was OK or for 'Consent'.
The people my friend, at some point will be heard.
Best of wishes by the way, been a while.
:-)
but why unaccountable? we are electing a parliament, which shares power with our 28 governments. any EU directive has to be subscribed to by both a majority of governments and a majority of parliament
meanwhile all treaties on which the EU is based have been signed by all 28 governments, with parliaments confirming them
I understand that what you would like to have is referendums. but they are national, in our setup, i.e. you'd like Westminster to ask you directly, and that is your national affair, quite indipendent from the EU MEP election. the EU is not allowed to make referenda
Hear you loud and clear mate, but its gone too far as all beaurocratic institutions always do.
Just yesterday Mr VanRumpoy addmitted if we dont agree with the body politic, he will do it anyway.
Look around you friend, over here people are at boiling point with the spivs and wasters allowing undemoractic rules and regs to be rammed through whether we like it or not. Look all over the EU, people are sick, sick and tired of being played like second hand fiddles as Rome burns around them, and the money they pay these worthless systers????
Mr Cameron gave ME, a 'Cast Iron Guarantee' for me to be 'Allowed' to have my say on these matters. As they always do, he reneged, and frankly my friend, its not good enough, not this time.
If they dont start listening, and listening soon Ghordius, I can see clear as day whats coming down the pike, and so can they.
Maybe Herman will declare all members govt.s dissolved and he is President for life.
A fire in the EU Parliament building will be the tip off.
Nigel has another plane crash.
Putin is celebrating with some Russian caviar. Obama is still on a steady diet of duck sausage.
Cock defies Balls
And to add insult to injury, this just in:
Peskov: Russia has Received OSCE Roadmap on Ukraine.
You will behave, and you will like it.... bitchezzzzz.
This seems to fit in with what Jim Willie reports about Russia no longer needing to fear the conventional NATO military. Apparently the Russian MIgs buzzing of a US warship a few weeks ago shocked the Pentagon as the US ship was unable to lock onto the Russian Migs and had no manual option for firing missiles, meaning they would have no chance if things got hot.
As a computer programmer for over 30 years, I can only say that Everyone's gotta quit treating computers like hammers! Sometimes a screwdriver is a better tool.
i wonder why putin even bothers these charades anymore. its obvious the 'separatists' are using military grade weaponry, exclusive to the russian military. its obvious that most separatists have military training, from obviously within the russian military since all their garments mock the russian military uniform exactly (with the exception of russian identification and insignia). it is then obvious that these separatists aren't defying orders from the kremlin as they are russian troops, but rather following putins orders. russia has been picking on the ukraine farther back than europeans started settling north america. this isn't to say america is in the right in this situation. both sides (us and russia) in this conflict are a bunch of f'n assholes. but considering the history, its up to the russian's to pull their trigger so america in return can pull theirs. when the dust settles hopefully the world will be short two less assholes and ukraine can go on unmanipulated.
Someone interviewed these "separatists," and found out that some of them are retired Russian military...
just wanna throw it out there, downvotes welcome.
There are a lot of very smart people who make comments on ZH and they are great to read and have great perspective.
I am pretty simple and just trying to understand.
But all you Obama haters? Please STFU. All you do is waste thread space.
I get it. Obama is black, he's gay, he plays golf, and plays checkers, and goes on vacation. WHATEVER. Now please STFU and let some intelligent people make some posts.
Sgt. Hulka says it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65mtE2TN1w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I'm not against Obama. I am against lies and violence, which the United States are doing around the world.
I'm not for Obama. I'm just sick and tired of the same people posting the same shit over and over and over and over again.
If there is even the slightest link to Obama, they come out in force.....and say the exact same shit in every thread. Really the exact same thing over and over. It's quite sad really.
Honestly, they are either shills or just stupid.
Fair enough, point taken.
If there is even the slightest link to Obama, they come out in force..... and say the exact same shit in every thread.
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Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Guantanamo and now Ukraine - it is not enough for you to see US lies and violence?
Reading these posts guarantees that I will have a bad day...