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Guest Post: The Economics Of Marriage

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

The marriage rate in the United States has fallen to the lowest level ever recorded.  So why is this happening?  Well, the truth is that there are a lot of reasons why so many young people are choosing not to get married today.  One big reason is money.  Young adults in the U.S. are really struggling to find good jobs, and many are hesitant to take a big step like marriage without achieving a certain level of financial security first.  And as you will see below, many young adults (especially women) do not even want to date someone that is not employed.  In this harsh economic environment, money makes a big difference in the world of romance.  Another big reason for the decline of marriage in America is a seismic shift in cultural attitudes.  Americans (especially young people) do not place the same kind of importance on marriage and having children that they once did.  Instead, more Americans are choosing to "move in together" than ever before.  But if the percentage of Americans that choose to get married continues to decline, what is that going to mean for our future, and what is our country going to look like moving forward?

According to a startling new study conducted at Bowling Green University, the marriage rate in America has fallen precipitously over the past 100 years.

In 1920, there were 92.3 marriages for every 1,000 unmarried women.  In 2012, there were only 31.1 marriages for every 1,000 unmarried women.

That is not just a new all-time low, that is a colossal demographic earthquake.

That same study found that the marriage rate has fallen by an astounding 60 percent since 1970 alone.

As a result, U.S. households look far different today than they once did.

Back in 1950, 78 percent of all households in the U.S. contained a married couple.  Today, that number has declined to 48 percent.

That is a very troubling sign if you consider the family to be one of the fundamental building blocks of society.

When young people are asked why they are delaying marriage today, one of the things that always seems to get brought up is money.  There is a feeling (especially among men) that you should achieve a certain level of financial security before making the big plunge.

And it is a fact that the more money you have, the more likely you are to be married.  Just check out the following stats about income and marriage from a recent Business Insider article...

83% of 30- to 50-year-old men in the top 10% of annual earnings are married today, whereas only 64% of median earners and half of those in the bottom 25th percentile are hitched.


Now, compare that to men in 1970, whose marriage rates were 95% (top earners), 91% (median earners), and 60% (bottom 25th percentile of earners), respectively.

A lot of people like to think that "love is the only thing that matters" when it comes to marriage, but the cold, hard numbers tell a different story.  In fact, one very shocking survey discovered that 75 percent of all American women would have a problem even dating an unemployed man...

Of the 925 single women surveyed, 75 percent said they'd have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4 percent of respondents asked whether they would go out with an unemployed man answered "of course."


"Not having a job will definitely make it harder for men to date someone they don't already know," Irene LaCota, a spokesperson for It's Just Lunch, said in a press release. "This is the rare area, compared to other topics we've done surveys on, where women's old-fashioned beliefs about sex roles seem to apply."

Unfortunately for American men, there simply are not enough good jobs to go around.  In fact, the number of working age Americans without a job has increased by 27 million since the year 2000, and businesses in the U.S. are being destroyed faster than they are being created.

Due to a lack of economic opportunities, a rising percentage of our young people have been giving up on the "real world" and have been moving back in with Mom and Dad.  For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled "29 Percent Of All U.S. Adults Under The Age Of 35 Are Living With Their Parents".  And when you break down the numbers, you find that young men are almost twice as likely to move back in with their parents as young women are.

But economic factors alone certainly do not account for the tremendous decline in the marriage rate that we have witnessed in this country.  Shifting cultural attitudes also play a huge role.

A whole host of opinion polls and surveys show that Americans simply do not value marriage and having children as much as they once did.  For example, the Pew Research Center has found that the younger you are, the more likely you are to believe that "marriage is becoming obsolete" and that "children don't need a mother and a father to grow up happily".

In fact, an astounding 44 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 29-year-old age bracket now believe that "marriage is becoming obsolete".

And why should they get married?  Our movies and television shows constantly tell them that they can have the benefits of being married without ever having to make a lifelong commitment.

This sounds particularly good to men, since they can run around and have sex with lots of different women without ever having to "settle down".

But there are most definitely consequences for this behavior.  The "sexual revolution" has left behind countless broken hearts, shattered dreams, unintended pregnancies and devastated families.

In addition, the U.S. has become a world leader when it comes to sexually-transmitted disease.

It is hard to believe this number, but according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention approximately one-third of the entire population of the United States (110 million people) currently has a sexually transmitted disease.

So nobody should claim that the "sexual revolution" has not had any consequences.

But most Americans don't actually run around and sleep with lots of different people at the same time.  Instead, most Americans seem to have adopted a form of "serial monogamy".

In America today, most people only sleep with one person at a time, and "living together" is being called "the new marriage".

According to the CDC, 74 percent of all 30-year-old women in the U.S. say that they have cohabitated with a romantic partner without being married to them, and it has been estimated that 65 percent of all couples that get married in the United States live together first.

Many believe that by "trying out" the other person first that it will give them a much better chance of making marriage work if they eventually do choose to go down that path.  Unfortunately, that does not seem to work out very well in practice.  In fact, the divorce rate for couples that live together first is significantly higher than for those that do not.

And when it comes to divorce, America is the king.

For years, the U.S. has had the highest divorce rate in the developed world.

But it wasn't always this way.  Back in 1920, less than one percent of all women in the United States were currently divorced or separated.  Today, approximately 15 percent of all women in the United States are currently divorced or separated.

So why are so many people getting divorced?

Of course there are a lot of factors involved (including money), but a big one is cheating.  According to one survey, 41 percent of all spouses admit to infidelity.  Many Americans simply find it very difficult to stay committed to one person for an extended period of time.

As a result of what I have discussed so far, it is easy to see why people in our society are so lonely and so isolated.  Less people are getting married, more divorces are happening and couples are having fewer children.  This means that our households are smaller and we have far fewer family connections than we once did.

100 years ago, 4.52 people were living in the average U.S. household, but now the average U.S. household only consists of 2.59 people.

That is an astounding figure.

And the United States has the highest percentage of one person households on the entire planet.

But we weren't meant to live alone.  We were meant to love and to be loved.

Often, those that are being hurt the most by our choices as a society are the children.  They need strong, stable homes to grow up in, and we are not providing that for millions upon millions of them.

When you look at just women under the age of 30 in the United States, more than half of all babies are being born out of wedlock.

That would have been unimaginable 100 years ago.

And of course when there is no marriage involved, a lot of times the guy does not stick around.  At this point, approximately one out of every three children in the United States lives in a home without a father, and in many impoverished areas of the country the rate is well over 50 percent.

In addition, women are waiting much longer to have children than they once did.

In 1970, the average woman had her first child when she was 21.4 years old.  Now the average woman has her first child when she is 25.6 years old.

The biggest reason for this, once again, is money...

In the United States, three-quarters of people surveyed by Gallup last year said the main reason couples weren't having more children was a lack of money or fear of the economy.


The trend emerges as a key gauge of future economic health — the growth in the pool of potential workers, ages 20-64 — is signaling trouble ahead. This labor pool had expanded for decades, thanks to the vast generation of baby boomers. Now the boomers are retiring, and there are barely enough new workers to replace them, let alone add to their numbers.

We are waiting longer to have children and having fewer of them, but those children are needed for the economic future of this country.

Fifteen years from now, one out of every five Americans will be over the age of 65.  All of those elderly Americans are going to want the rest of us to keep the financial promises that were made to them.  But that is going to turn out to be quite impossible.  We simply do not have enough people.

In the end, the economics of marriage does not just affect those that are thinking of getting married or those that are already married.

The truth is that the economics of marriage affects all of us.


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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:07 | 4741700 Cacete de Ouro
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I take my wife everywhere, but she keeps finding her way back

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:32 | 4741781 Beam Me Up Scotty
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" And as you will see below, many young adults (especially women) do not even want to date someone that is not employed."

Doesn't seem to stop said "women" from having children though.  How many women have children before they are financially able to support them?  Too many.  One of the fastest tickets to a life of poverty and debt serfdom is having children before you can support them.  Kids are one of the most expensive toys a parent can buy.

Don't worry though, you can always get your resident politician to take from the financially responsible, and give the financially irresponsible, because its "for the kids".

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:34 | 4741793 mjcOH1
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"Doesn't seem to stop said "women" from having children though.  How many women have children before they are financially able to support them?  Too many. "


Is that not the state's job?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:48 | 4741842 RafterManFMJ
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Men don't marry 'cause it's like playing Russian Roulette with your life and finances.

A losing proposition.

But enterprising women can help boost the marriage rate...

"One mother from Dallas did not want her identity revealed, but she does want people to buy her positive pregnancy tests. She talked about one woman who took her up on the offer.

“She wanted to trick him into thinking she was pregnant, so he would drop everything so I gave her two tests,” the woman said.

Buying and selling others’ pregnancy tests is the latest trend on the Internet. Those involved in the trade said the buyers’ motive is often to trap a man – and that is not all.

“Ninety-five percent of the girls just want to lie to get a man,” the seller said.

And the sellers know that.

One Craigslist ad posted last year by a Central New Jersey woman read: “I am pregnant and will sell you a positive pregnancy test. These will be taken right before you’re ready to pick them up. Wanna get your boyfriend to finally pop the question? Play a trick on mom, dad or one of your friends? I really don’t care what you use it for.”

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4741882 economics9698
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The state created the problem by increasing AFDC (welfare) payments from the intentionally low rate of 80% of minimum wage in the 1950’s to 4X or more by 1970.

Home inspections of unwed mothers for a live in boyfriend was ruled unconstitutional in 1962.

The results is predicable, low income families have been destroyed in America creating a, surprise, need for more cops, judges, lawyers, jails, and all the necessities of our current police state that incarcerates 4x more prisoners than communist China.


Anything that helps the tribe make another buck.  The divorce rate of the top 20% of families is the same as in the 1950’s.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:36 | 4742018 max2205
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Ring costs 5 years salary.....about 90k for 20 per hour McD worker




Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:18 | 4742261 Overfed
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My wife wears a $300 plain Palladium band.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:52 | 4742689 Headbanger
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I'm a little late to the party here.

My one bitter divorce (no kids though) in my 20's "cured" me of ever getting married again.

Now in my 60's I've been noticing so many 50, 60 something year old women who played the divorce game years ago who are now bitter, miserable, alone old bags who's kids have gone and will never have a man now in their old haggy age.

Tough shit.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:02 | 4742351 Telemakhos
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Assuming that the population of married people with rings is a normally distributed curve, how many sigmas off the mean do you think a 90k ring is?  The Grey Lady reports that the mean is down from over 5k in 2006 to 4k in 2012; elsewhere, it's reported that only 12% of the population spent over 8k, so there's one sigma for you.  A 90k ring must be quite a few deviations off the mean.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4743798 StandardDeviant
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Um, I think he's not actually talking about a $90k ring.  It's synecdoche: the ring as a symbol for the marriage in its entirety.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:34 | 4742119 RafterManFMJ
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I'll pimp 3 books I liked and would recommend to any male starting to find his way in the world and / or undecided about marriage:

Bachelor Pad Economics
Taken Into Custody

If he's smarter than average, add

The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature by
Matt Ridley

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 07:56 | 4747764 Kobe Beef
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If he's got an internet connection, start here..

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:02 | 4743133 Stuck on Zero
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Yes. The problem stemmed from the state outbidding all the males who earn less then $75K per year.  Why would a woman put up with a man if she can get supported from the state? 

Free money = poison.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:21 | 4743715 Monty Burns
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Why would a woman put up with a man if she can get supported from the state?


Why indeed.  This is the culmination of a systematic Frankfurt School-inspired war on the traditional family. In any event the gender balance of power has rendered marriage a potential economic disaster for the average male.  So neither men nor women are really incentivized to marry any more.  Job done!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4741886 CH1
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I know a couple who refuse to be officially married because they don't want the state to get its fingers into their lives.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4741899 yogibear
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Woman clean house financially when they get a good earner. They take the house, whatever savings you have and try and take your custody away when divorcing.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:04 | 4742549 SilverRhino
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Married twice, divorced twice.  Realized marriage was a bad bet / investment a couple years ago.   

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:11 | 4742830 Antifaschistische
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don't forget the economics of divorce where men are also more likely to get raped..

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:05 | 4742354 Chuck Walla
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The anti-family is the fundamental building block of the totalitarian state. Marx and Lenin didn't like stable families, too bourgeois.

A century of failure means nothing!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 08:01 | 4747765 Kobe Beef
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Freud, The Frankfurt School, and the feminists didn't like families either. They were very influential in Boomer "education".

It turns out Free Love ain't so free after all. It will cost you your families, your childrens' futures, and ultimately, your civilization.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:04 | 4742702 Metalredneck
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Precisely.  "Dating" a meth dealer and excreting his spawn so the government can suppoert them are different things.

Alpha Fux, Beta Bux.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:56 | 4742068 JuliaS
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I think there's a Chinese saying that goes: If you want to start a revolution, give man a gun. If you want to stop a revolution, give the man a wife.

I think the government is much more interested in the family institution than the people themselves. Ponzi requires a flood of fresh participants. Without people getting married and having kids to take on the tax burdens of past generations many things are going to start falling apart.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:58 | 4742077 FredFlintstone
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He who run in front of car get tired. He who run behind car get exhausted. So sorry.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:06 | 4741702 NoDebt
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"But we weren't meant to live alone.  We were meant to love and to be loved."

Tell that to my wife.  Mean as a snake.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:34 | 4741791 Yes_Questions
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but I'm sure you're a good guy.


So, just, put down the nail gun.  Its gonna be fine..

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:58 | 4741876 Occams_Chainsaw
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+1 for the nail gun reference.....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:49 | 4742054 Buckaroo Banzai
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Wife or ex-wife?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:06 | 4742089 NoDebt
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Current future ex-wife.  Actually she's fine.  Fine.  Every morning I wake up and do the Sam Kinnison "Still love ya, honey!" routine on her.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:12 | 4742247 Buckaroo Banzai
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As someone I knew used to say, "Kid, our last future ex-wives haven't even been born yet!"

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:07 | 4741704 I need Another Beer
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Ironically, they mostly voted for the POS Obama. Good luck with that

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:13 | 4741705 sschu
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Saw the documentary Irreplaceable last night.

It was sobering.  Fathers and men, get it together.  

Whatever your politics or world view, the destruction/marginalization of the family is very bad for all of us.  


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:50 | 4741834 daveO
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I haven't seen it, but I can tell everyone here why many men will have nothing to do with marriage. It's because of NO FAULT DIVORCE. 66% of divorces are initiated by women. This article was right about money, but only superficially. Men absolutely don't want to marry what amounts to a 'State Sponsored Prostitute'. Then there's child support payments, if they have a kid. On top of that, the MSM constantly tells us how all of women's problems are caused by a man somewhere. This helps contribute to the high divorce rate. I find it interesting that this article used 1970 for comparison, but didn't mention that was the first year of no fault's in California. In '70, only 4.8% of men over 40 were never married. Now, it's 20%. I'm one of them. I have 2 other men in my family, of my generation and single, who feel the same way. We've seen the carnage up close, and want no part of it! I honestly don't know why 80% of men are still willing to risk it. If you don't want to ever have anything to call your own, get married. If you want to be cleaned out and potentially be put in jail, get married.

The family has been marginalized by the gov. via no faults and welfare payments, not irresponsible men. The men are the only ones acting rationally(not nearly enough of them, IMO), in response to a predatory gov.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:04 | 4741910 economics9698
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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:34 | 4742011 UselessEater
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A guy I know complains all the time about child support payments (he's right they are very high) but then again he has 3 kids by 3 women spread 19 years, married only once but is now onto the next woman.

Perhaps he should have learned to keep it in his pants - but no, instead he is very clued onto how he and his 3 exes can use the single parent benefit system (tax payer funded) while he earns a good dollar in his mining job.

When I worked with him it was pretty annoying knowing where my tax dollars went. Even more annoying was his arrangement with his ex-wife who gave him one of her houses (her savings, he had none) to be left to their kid, and their arrangement was designed to split her assets so she could get benefit payments as a single parent.

Cretins, the lot of them, their attitude is to game the system because "everyone else is".

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:55 | 4742064 Buckaroo Banzai
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Remember Dave Foley, of "News Radio" fame? Funny show. Wonder why you haven't seen him in anything since? His psycho bitch ex-wife cleaned him out and almost put him in jail. If he steps foot in Canada again, he goes straight to the clink.

Here he is telling his story in his own words. God help you if you are a married man in Canada.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:12 | 4742250 UselessEater
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The mentality and anger can get really insane. I tired talking one of our best tradesmen out of quitting, promised to find away to cut his hours i.e. income; but no - he was going to go on the dole to avoid paying child support that he felt would fund his ex wifes lifestyle.

So tax payers lost out twice over and the kids were pawns of 2 equally stupid adults. Worst of all, the kids lost a healthy positive Dad, most men don't thrive on doing nothing, often times, its a quick road to old age. Stupid waste of quality life by all and not a great example for the now adult kids. Bet they cream the system with both parents role modelling how to.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:19 | 4741960 chubbar
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From a guy getting ready to meet his maker (with regard to divorce settlement), believe me, this is real. I came into it with a 7 figure net worth and the first thing I did was to pay off her CC and buy her a car. She didn't work, did whatever she wanted, spent whatever she wanted, we traveled whenever and wherever she wanted then had a kid that we both stayed at home and raised. 13 years later, I get an email an hour after she leaves to bring child to school, she doesn't come back. Now, she wants half of everything she did nothing to earn, and guess what? The gov't agrees with her!

My advice to any guy out there, fuck them but don't marry them. NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY OR PROMISE! It's all bullshit because the laws don't hold them accountable for any of their actions! You are NOTHING but a meal ticket to her and the gov't.

Guys have absolutely no one in gov't that advocates for fairness in divorce settlements. The gov't does NOT want these women back on the "dole" so takes all that they can from you to ensure these deadbeats don't ever show up on their door step. Instead of my ex thanking me for taking care of her for 13 years in a way that she could never have afforded,  I'm getting shit on for not being totally receptive to taking care of her for the next 40 years in the same lifestyle she enjoyed while being married. Unfucking real the entitlement. All I can really say is that you guys (collectively) CAN NOT marry someone under these draconian marriage/divorce laws!!!!! Don't do it! Your life's work will be wiped out and given away by the state!

Shack up, fool around, have a baby out of wedlock, do whatever you want but under NO CIRCUMSTANCE should you say "I DO" unless you have absolutely NOTHING that she and the gov't can take from you. Starve the system!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:01 | 4742082 NuckingFuts
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Yep, a friend pays out 12K a month for alimony plus child support for 2 kids, one of which is not his. She had the child before they married and he adopted her because he is a standup guy and thought it was the right thing to do. She was cheating on him and still gets all this. Working was not a part of her lifestyle said the court. Now she is shacked up with a black dude and will never remarry because she would loose the 144K per year he has to give her. FUCKED UP! Luckily my ex was as dumb as she was hot and I escaped with phyz she never even knew existed.... Another good reason to own metals, just don't tell.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:19 | 4742671 j-dub
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Women are parasites pretending to be symbiotes.

The hosts, however, are begining to wake up

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:12 | 4741711 NoDebt
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"Often, those that are being hurt the most by our choices as a society are the children.  They need strong, stable homes to grow up in, and we are not providing that for millions upon millions of them."

That's what big brother is for.  What, you think this is just happening all on it's own, without a plan?

My God, LBJ SAID WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.  And damned if it hasn't happened.  Wake up, pay attention.  There is no mystery here.  This is by design, and one that's been known for a long time.  Tinfoil hat not required for this one.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:34 | 4743755 Monty Burns
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This is by design, and one that's been known for a long time.


Absolutely. Check out the Frankfurt School's sedition or Gramsci's Long March Through The Institions.   "By perverting the institutions of a nation and bringing about a general degradation a population can easily be brought to heel. (Lavreni Beria, former head of the KGB.)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:08 | 4741712 buzzsaw99
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All of those elderly Americans are going to want the rest of us to keep the financial promises that were made to them...

Pre-dick-tion: Fifteen years from now you'll be sucking my 66 year old dick for a quarter.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:17 | 4741741 Pareto
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you never cease to enlighten AND entertain.  +1 for the laugh.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:20 | 4742266 dirty dolphin
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Deflation it is then!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:12 | 4741716 franciscopendergrass
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Who needs a husband when you have welfare!

 It's Free Swipe Yo EBT!

The state has replaced husbands.  Free healthcare.  Free food.  The state redistributes wealth so that females don't have to feel be responsible for sexual promiscuity.  Women are too big to fail along with the banks.
Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:13 | 4741724 navy62802
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"Marriage *TM" is just the state sanctioning of a romantic union between two people. And let's be honest, that's exactly what we're talking about here. Two people can be just as "married" if they take private vows to each other. "Marriage *TM" is just another way to psychologically manipulate people into buying into the State. That's all it is.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:16 | 4741734 NOTaREALmerican
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And buying a diamond,  which are forever!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:38 | 4742025 UselessEater
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Prior to the 20th century, engagement rings were strictly luxury items, and they rarely contained diamonds. But in 1939, the De Beers diamond company changed all of that when it hired ad agency N.W. Ayer & Son. The industry had taken a nosedive in the 1870s, after massive diamond deposits were discovered in South Africa. But the ad agency came to the rescue by introducing the diamond engagement ring and quietly spreading the trend through fashion magazines. The rings didn't become de rigueur for marriage proposals until 1948, when the company launched the crafty "A Diamond is Forever" campaign. By sentimentalizing the gems, De Beers ensured that people wouldn't resell them, allowing the company to retain control of the market. In 1999, De Beers chairman Nicky Oppenheimer confessed, "Diamonds are intrinsically worthless, except for the deep psychological need they fill."

In addition to diamond engagement rings, De Beers also promoted surprise proposals. The company learned that when women were involved in the selection process, they picked cheaper rings. By encouraging surprise proposals, De Beers shifted the purchasing power to men, the less-cautious spenders.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:58 | 4741881 daveO
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Ever since no fault divorces were started, marriage has become a state sponsored shakedown of men. Don't be stupid enough to enter into a contract that could be broken at any time, on a whim. It's no longer a valid contract. It's closer to 'State Sponsored Prostitution'. Bring back real prostitution, it's far more honest and cheaper.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:23 | 4741974 chubbar
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Well said, see my comment above. The state is only interested in the invariable shakedown. Plus, it spreads the wealth in a way no other state program can accomplish.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:24 | 4742130 james.connolly
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Spread's your WEATLH the BAR it does, and not the BAR that serves drinks.

Of course LAWYERS make the Law's, so why shouldn't all wealth be transferred to lawyers?

A bar association is a professional body of lawyers. Some bar associations are responsible for the regulation of the legal profession in their jurisdiction;

All judges run the BAR, all judges make  the LAW, all BAR is MAFIA.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:37 | 4742166 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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if it floats, flies or fornicates, you're better off renting.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:08 | 4742095 Seek_Truth
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"Marriage TM" is absolutely correct.

Marriage is a vow between a male and a female, witnessed and sanctioned by God.

"Marriage TM" is Government sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:15 | 4741730 NOTaREALmerican
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Well,   assuming that 50% of the population are assholes,  that means the couple break down would be:

Female           Male

Asshole         Asshole
Asshole         Non-Asshole
Non-Asshole  Asshole
Non-Asshole  Non_Asshole.

3 out of 4 combinations have an asshole (or two).

Actually, it's amazing more people don't get divorsed. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4741898 daveO
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66% of divorces are initiated by the women. All of the ones in my family(on both sides) were initiated by the women. Only one of those had true 'grounds' for divorce.  

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:54 | 4742631 The Reich
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It seems that more than 75% a$$holes posted here (including me!)...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:20 | 4741744 vincenze
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Isn't it financially beneficial to not marry even if you live together with your girlfriend?

If your girlfriend doesn't work and has babies, she can get all kinds of government support, even cash and an apartment.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:35 | 4741795 A Lunatic
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Correct. There is no honor among thieves.......

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:19 | 4741747 Oldballplayer
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Men get women pregnant and there is no expectation of them hanging around.

So the men don't hang around.

It has more to do with a moral deficit than it does with money.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:41 | 4742418 edotabin
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This argument has more holes in it than a pre WWII condom.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:22 | 4741754 freedogger
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Getting married is expensive:

- Ceremony down payment
- Wedding Invitations
- Wedding dress
- DJ or Band,
- Cake,
- Photographer,
- Engagement Dinner,
- Stag and Stagette,
- Tux or Tux rental,
- grooms wedding band,
- Preacher or Officiator,
- Mariage license
- Limo rental
- Table decorations
- Rest of the ceremony payment
- Bridesmaids and the Groomsmen's presents
- The wedding corsage or flower arrangement that she holds
- Preservation of the wedding dress
- Preservation of the floral arrangement
- Thank you letters

- Honey Moon

- First house down payment because you can't rent when your married
- Real furniture, the stuff you thought was fine when you bought it isn't good enough
- House renovations
- Yard renovations
- Landscaping

Oral pleasuring starts to diminish at about this stage

- Pet medical bills
- Baby ultrasound photos
- Baby shower
- Car seats
- Bassonette
- Play Pen
- Crib
- Nursery make over
- Birth Books
- Midwife
- Diaper bag and all the accoutrements
- Camera for the baby shots
- Birth Announcements
- New car because your old A-B car won't cut it for the new baby
- Stroller
- Running Stroller
- One more stroller for good measure
- Breast Pump
- Exercise Equipment/memberships to work off baby fat

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:47 | 4741839 Agent P
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That's a good start, but it's just that.

To the single guys reading this, let me make it simple for you: DON'T EVER FUCKING GET MARRIED!!!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:03 | 4741902 Occams_Chainsaw
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Dude....why is the bride smiling while walking down the aisle?  No moar blow jobs.  You totally missed the diminished oral activities.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:35 | 4742287 Overfed
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Mine still does. Sorry about yer luck.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:16 | 4744470 BigJim
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If you marry a woman who doesn't LOVE to suck your cock then you shouldn't be surprised when they stop.

I just won't continue seeing a woman who doesn't love giving oral.... I mean, why date a pervert?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:22 | 4741906 Commodore64
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Baby's shouldn't work out at that age, its bad for the bones.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:13 | 4741942 thesoothsayer
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You left out the second half of it.  After she has sucked the life out of you, she divorces you and takes the rest of what she has not taken yet.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:29 | 4741769 Seize Mars
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Imagine that you are required to get a fucking license from the state in order to get married. It's like the "right of prima nocte."

Like what is it their fucking business for?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:01 | 4741895 Totentänzerlied
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That's jus primae noctis, really something of an "urban" legend, though of course it did exist - serfs were chattel property, gotta breed 'em as quick as possible before they die or you're not making productive use of your property AND you're losing out on a valuable commodity.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:15 | 4741948 yogibear
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It's the right of state to financially rape you while married and then financially gang-bang you when you get divorced with all the fees and custody matters

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:30 | 4741775 teslaberry
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financial destruction of both women and male adults,

a society where people can use technology to keep in touch with friends,

a society with more people living in urban areas where friends and 'pets' can substitute for marriage.

a society with vast financial support for single moms relative to married moms.

a society with vast financial and regulatory money spent placing fathers in jail and making it expensive to assert one's authority as a dominant member of a couple. a substantial amount of domestic violence against children comes from mothers, MORE THAN 1/2 of domestic violence against children is from mothers --single and married----and it is their right to abuse their kids.

whoa is the father than spanks his kids too hard, or hits his wife once. call in the gestapo social services to destroy their life.

call in the divorce attorneys to vulture off the assets before the state requires the man's property be dispersed in 20 ways. till he his poor.

men know this is the state of affairs. and many, as a result REFUSE to take a relationship from non-formal to married.

this state of affairs, like the war on drugs, is no accident. even the more thoughtful female rights advocates are starting to wake up and talk about how most if not all of modern feminism is now a fraud perpetuated on women to their own DETRIMENT as mothers sisters and daughters.
the cult of 'individual rights' enshrined in federal laws and enforced at the butt of a gun paid by the taxpayer and future generations-------------is meant to weaken the social strength of families and communities.

there is a rich history of cia and state department support for the feminist movement.

when both women and men understand and rely on their ability to participate in mutually beneficial roles. roles in which both players are supposed to support one another TO THE EXCLUSION OF THIRD PARTIES GETTING BETWEEN THEM. -----they thrive .

and for those of you homosexuals out there who are too stupid to understand what i mean by women and men. i mean the DOMINANT person in a relationship and the supporter.
the dual income trap advocated by enlightened neo-liberals is just cover for depriving dominant people of the income and status afforded people who want to earn bread to raise a family , while maintaining enough of a reserve in time and money so that the non-dominant person NEED NOT be required to have a 'job ' but can actually provide value through WORK at home, in the community, or as a spare 'job' in reserve when the primary earner may happen to be out of work.

i'm not a big fan of socialista Elizabeth Warren, but she at least has some of the right idea about what happened. she wrote about this in the "two income trap".

this is ALL PART OF THE SAME STORY. it is all connected....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:07 | 4741922 daveO
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Right! 10 +

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:58 | 4742073 Dingleberry
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Don't know what Warren wrote, and really don't give a fuck as she is a democratic liberal and obviously a silly dreamer. I've seen enough of her solutions to know she is not fit for high office. The latest being near interest-free loans for students. Obviously, she has no clue why tuition rose so much in the first place, but I digress.....

I will say this much: the dual income "trap" was no trap at all. I remember it well. I saw it firsthand growing up.

Women were scorned for not getting a "career" at a very impressionable young age. If a woman wanted to be a stay at home mom, she was ridiculed as de facto mentally ill, or enslaving herself to be dependent on a man..... BY OTHER WOMEN.

So...if Warren wrote that about the dual income trap.....she gets a "atta girl" from me. If she says it was some evil, big biz plan to squeeze the economic lemon even more, then fuck her.

Her party is the one that supported the shit.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:28 | 4742393 Chuck Walla
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So Comrade Liz wants lower taxes? That's why mom went to work in the first place, the ever increasing tax load. Millionaire Lizzy is a lying wench totalitarian like Hillary. Fuck that faux injun cunt.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:29 | 4742509 edotabin
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Mommy went to work so as to be taxed but she just didn't know it. Remember failure is baked into the system, therefore they have to constantly "expand" the economy. You had half the adult population performing one of the most honorable and valuable services possible (motherhood) who were not on the hamster wheel. It was only natural that by mommy working full time certain "disruptions" would come about in the family structure.  This would lead to insurmountable pressures that would eventually fracture the family unit. As a result,  you would have an ever-increasing percentage of divorces. When divorces occur you need two dwellings, two waching machines, two refigerators..... this list is loooong and I think you get the idea.

In any case, this is the root cause. One can easily see the social ills that have befallen us as a direct result of this and those are the obvious ones. There are many other areas that have been negatively impacted. They got about 50 birds with one stone.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:14 | 4743958 PT
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The instant someone I know enters politics, I worry that they have died.  Either they will become corrupted or they will be too naive and stupid to realise that they have no teeth and can not make the changes they originally tried to make.  They are just a play thing for the corrupt.  Many times EW has said the right things and asked the right questions, but it seems that in the end nothing was done.  At best she is a toothless tiger.  (I could be wrong here, I am not up to date with everything she does).

But there was a time where she did spell a few things out loud and clear:

(Takes about an hour, skip first six minutes of "boring" introductions if you wish).

That is where she comes from.  Question (for those who care.  I understand that some won't care):  If someone could get her away from politics for long enough to relax, get a breath of fresh air and compare her new ideas with her old ideas, would she return to politics?  Would she decide she was just being played?  Or is she too far gone?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:00 | 4742080 UselessEater
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you lost me at "hits his wife" UNACCEPTABLE -is standing by and watching your Mom or Daughter get a black eye OK to you?

Otherwise a few good points raised that fit the Tavistock meme.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:50 | 4742191 Prisoners_dilemna
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Spare the rod, spoil the wife.





Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:04 | 4742209 james.connolly
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My god I was just thinking the same thing. I feared to post as I thought it might offend the political correct crowd here.

I myself have never hit a woman in my life,...hell my first wife once asked "Why you never hit me, so I can have you arrested?"


I want to say this because I have seen this my entire life, guy's that DO hit their women tend to have better relationships, I know its twisted but its an observation. The little girl was hit by daddy, and FREUD would say there is some kind of transference husband/daddy going on.

Men who hit thier women seem to get a RESPECT from the woman, and they get more sex, there seems to be an erotic connection between a woman's need for 'violence' or maybe everytime daddy spanked her ass, was really erotic? Who the fuck knows? I sure don't, but when I was a kid in High-School I sure saw that the guy's who knocked their girls around got laid the most :(

It's a bizzare world.

In ASIA its essentiall legal to hit a wife, just like the MUSLIM world, hell its a man's duty to keep her in line.

So yes, "SPARE the rod, SPOIL the WIFE"

For me I still will not HIT a woman, but I have never sucked another man's prick either, ... I guess I'm not a very good American Male :(

I never been boned in the arse by another man either,... so Obama or Bush  would never consider me a friend :(

[ of course /sarc angle here 'rod',... but the whole point of this thead is that the middle age 'wife' don't want no 'rod', which is why all the men are miserable ]

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:19 | 4742258 UselessEater
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So dear men, do not bitch when a bigger power hits you; love and respect your Banker and your Banker wars. They are merely keeping you in line within their "rights" as they deem their rights to be.


edit: Its apparently a pecking order thing, and you ain't at the top.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:33 | 4742457 Prisoners_dilemna
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Are you suggesting that by using violence against a spouse, that action also enslaves the spouse?

Or that all women are innocent of aggression against their husbands?

Not all violence is physical.

Ever touch a hot stove twice?



Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:41 | 4742524 Seek_Truth
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Speaking of touching a hot stove, Harvard is such a great exemplar:

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:30 | 4742396 Chuck Walla
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What can you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing, you've already told her twice.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:25 | 4744001 PT
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I used to be like you, but then I met a woman that confided in me that she used to DELIBERATELY start fights with her husband.  "We used to have some wicked fights" was an exact quote from her.  And when she said, "wicked", she meant the enjoyment kind, not the true meaning.

Then there was the guy that tried to intervene when a husband was beating his wife.  Then both husband AND wife layed into him.  "Never again", he said.  "If you see a husband beat his wife, then leave them both to it.  The woman won't appreciate it.  She'll just clobber you too."

I don't like domestic violence either, but some women do.  Come back and explain it all to me after you've met one or two of them.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:20 | 4744233 Monty Burns
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Correct.  I have never seen a woman who dominates her husband, or a childless career grrrrrl in her forties who wasn't demonstrably bitter and unfulfilled.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4741776 loregnum
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I'd guess many realize marriage is incredibly illogical so they are avoiding it, especially males who know the family court system is stacked against them no matter what. Really, it is one of the stupidest inventions humans ever came up with and I shake my head at how I used to want to get married when I was younger. I admire the small percentage of really great marriages (as in the people truly love each other and really do seem like they were born to be together and don't constantly argue) out there though.

I also think many men are sick of society trying to shame them (just look around at how men are blamed for everything regarding the declining relationship universe) as well as brainwashing them into p-worshipping manginas who do almost everything in the relationship simply because she spreads her legs. It's pathetic. I want to throw up every time I see a guy say how his wife or woman LET him do something that as an adult he should have the ability to do without asking permission.

I also disagree with this belief that men are the only ones who just look to hump everyone and sleep around. Most young women ride the cock carousel until their looks fade or they grow up and of the people I know of who have cheated on their partners, almost ALL have been women. I guess though that's the man's fault. It's the man's fault if he cheats and it's the man's fault if his vag cheats. Good to know.

I do agree that people today are serial monogamists. Sad how people are so scared to be "alone" and need to jump from relationship to relationship soon after each ends. The best is they never actually think about what they're doing wrong and learn about themselves so they keep getting involved in the same type of relationships that fail with the same type of partner. They of course never point to themselves (since as we know responsibility is kryptonite for this world now) and simply just blame it on there not being "any good guys or women out there"...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:30 | 4742001 chubbar
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+10000000, Just an excellent, insightful, comment. Hat's off.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4741779 ultimate warrior
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For me just finding a normal girl to date is impossible. Marriage seems highly unlikely and I'm ok with that.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:32 | 4741785 eucalyptus
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I do not wish to have children, so why get married?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:08 | 4741929 Commodore64
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To have the most beautiful day in your life?



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:33 | 4741787 pachanguero
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Divorce corporation the movie!  See it!  Why anyone would get married is beyond me.  That's why I live in Thailand.  all the women for short time I could ever want.  If you want love buy a dog!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:36 | 4741794 Commodore64
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I got married twice and divorced the same amount of times....thank you very much..ive learned my lesson.


And thank you, God, no kids came out of it...especially when i look around in this world now.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:36 | 4741799 ThomasMalthus
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This means we must raise interest rates and cut government spending to worsen this depression and send even more young people out of work and decrease family formation even further. This is what the eugenicist in us all wants anyway.

Since this places a positive check on population growth, I of course approve.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:37 | 4741803 UselessEater
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"The Tavistock Instutite of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Culutural, Political and Economic Decline of the USA" by Dr John Coleman, 2005.

It appears Tavistock & its funders (Royals, Rockefellers, etc) and clients (CFR, BIS, IMF, etc) have done their job well.

look who is on the front cover, is that Putin amongst cronies?


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:37 | 4741804 NihilistZero
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Unfortunately for American men, there simply are not enough good jobs to go around.

Unfortunately for American men, there simply are not enough MARKET PRICED ASSETS TO ALLOW A MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE ON THE JOBS AVAILABLE.

In the absence of full retard immigration, currency and trade policies fry cooks could have families, just like in the 50's.  unfortunately the children of the 50's have FUBAR'd everything about America they claim to hold dear.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:37 | 4741806 The Boognish
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Stop with the children are our future and we don't have enough people bullshit. I'm so tired of this line of "reasoning". Massive unemployment and underemployment for young people is already a huge problem and the problem is not enough young people? That's Ben Bernanke logic right there! The solution to our unemployment problem is that we haven't reached a high enough level of the unemployed to fix the problem.

Just because our stupid ponzi scheme social system breaks down with fewer workers to distribute the pain to does not mean we NEED to continue the system. If you are old and ready to retire and worry about who is going to keep the system going, realize that you played a large part in creating the corrupt system we now have. You wanted welfare for the less advantaged, special rights for the oppressed, unrestricted illegal immigration because there's some fucking peom on the Staute of Liberty that you learned about in school. Welfare for farmers, welfare for the auto industry, welfare for housing so your home value doesn't collapse. Public employee unions for christ sake! The whole time there was a small contigent of people saying "you know, this will bankrupt the country someday" and that time is here.

But the problem is marriage and not enough kids. Really? Facepalm.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:39 | 4741811 NihilistZero
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If you factor in that women were not part of the workforce back in the day, are the unemployment numbers really that bad?  Or is the real issue the strangled and raped purchasing power of those who are employed?

I think everyone on ZH knows the answer.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:37 | 4741809 seek
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I'd add that if you are a guy with money, you'd have to be fucking insane to get married with the current legal system in place.

I learned the hard way, and when I got engaged the 2nd time, made sure it was a long engagement, and my plan worked, as she bailed out before we got married and I easily saved myself a few hundred thousands because of this.

Women got what they wanted in terms of pay equality (once you account for demographic inconsistencies), more women than men are now in higher ed, and they've successfully stacked the legal system in their favor in divorce. Is it any fucking surprise men in the US don't want to play, or that women face having to accept unemployed men as mates because employed ones (willing to get married) are a rare commodity?

There's also a crazy sense of entitlement that now exists that women bring to the table that scares away eligible men from marriage. Visit any dating site or go date a woman over 30 and you quickly learn there's an eligibility checklist, and if you're missing a single item on it, you're done.

I'm surprised the statistics aren't worse.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:51 | 4741843 Johnny Moscow
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Couldn't have said it any better myself. +1000  

Feminism and the breakdown of femininity and traditional roles and values in American society have make marriage a terrible deal for men. Women are completely entitled, spoiled & have ridiculously high expectations about what their man is supposed to do and provide for them. 

I will never get married in the US (or the Anglosphere for that matter). The deck is too stacked against me. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:53 | 4741850 james.connolly
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Insanity MUST be rampant my friend.

If you have MONEY in the USA, you are insane to stay there,

Your are insane to keep your money there

If you have money you are insane to marry

Thus is there anybody with money left in the USA?

I concur, I would NEVER marry in the USA, and I would NEVER take an ASIAN honey back to the USA.


Money is even more important, the courts ( legal system ) all have 'asset search' programs, any and all assets you have they know,... and any time you go to court in the USA they will take it all.

Fuck the USA.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4741866 Johnny Moscow
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The US is the riskiest supposedly 'risk-free' economy that probably ever existed on the planet.

Not only is your net worth depreciating every day due to the Fed printing like it's going out of style, you're also exposed to all kinds of asset-destroying legal catastrophies.  If you're a man you also run a serious risk of losing everything by getting married (or even by co-habitating for several years with one woman). 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:18 | 4741956 james.connolly
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When all the money has  left the USA, who  will the lawyers fuck?

This is why IRS has FATCA to try and find money outside of the USA,...

I'm telling you all as their are fewer to FUCK, it's going to even more dangerous for those few men remaining with money.

GLOBAL ASSET search is a big business, ...

I pray that the lawyers fuck each other the cop's fuck each other, the judges fuck each other,... for soon their will be no one else in the USA to fuck.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:59 | 4742448 AGuy
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"When all the money has left the USA, who will the lawyers fuck?"



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:09 | 4741934 j-dub
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Surprised the statistics aren't worse?

Patience.  In 5-10 years, your jaw will drop. 

I thought I'd get married by 23, by 23 I'd knew I'd nrever marry. 

I'd love to be married, but I have standards.  Oh well............

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:24 | 4741978 daveO
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You're telling me. I came to the realization at nearly the same age, 26 years ago. One of the girls I dated back then actually sent me a Christmas card two years ago. How pathetic. A single mom, in her mid 40's, with 3 kids! Yea, I really want to hit that again. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:51 | 4742056 j-dub
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Yep, you watch what they do when they are unencumbered by society.  If  you are paying attention objectively, you begin to understand them.  Once you truly understand them, you can not love them.  It's either one or the other.

I have never known a married guy/guy with serious girlfriend who actually understood them.  Coincidence?  Unlikely

Try finding a woman in good ol' USA who is 23-26, who is not a whore, is moderately attractive, does not have 25k+ in debt, is truly pleasant, thin, with a job?  Unlikely as well

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:45 | 4741826 10mm
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Right around in there 50's men say fuck this shit. Women between 45 and 60 are nuroitic nut jobs.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:11 | 4741936 Commodore64
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And some start even earlier :)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:19 | 4741961 yogibear
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Women get mean when they age. Hormones?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:25 | 4741983 Commodore64
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Hormones and selfdiscovering spirituality...because they are finally finding out who they are..they say.

And that means you can get lost now.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:35 | 4742286 vulcanraven
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I'm 38 and have already adopted the "fuck it" mantra.

Try growing up and dating in Los Angeles, talk about a soul crushing place to try and cultivate a normal love life. I have dated all types of women and still single, never married or have any children. As far as pulling the trigger on either of those, I have been patient and as calculated as can be, also knowing damn well I won't be settling down with any of the vain, narcissistic, entitled psychopaths in this city.

Taking a trip to Australia for 3 weeks in June, I have a feeling I won't be coming back to Los Angeles OR the US.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:21 | 4742382 Nick Jihad
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Been in LA for the last 30 years, and I know just what you mean. Good luck.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:03 | 4742456 AGuy
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"Taking a trip to Australia for 3 weeks in June, I have a feeling I won't be coming back to Los Angeles OR the US."

Don't expect the nanny state of Australia to be any better. The problems in the US are also present in all anglo-saxon nations.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:39 | 4744319 Monty Burns
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The problems in the US are also present in all anglo-saxon nations.


Absolutely true.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 08:22 | 4747792 Kobe Beef
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Wherever English is officially spoken, you will find a Tavistock affiliate running (anti)social policy. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:45 | 4741827 james.connolly
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Every day ZH needs a HONEY-POT,

Let's see why don't folks get 'married' in the USA? Or the better question "WHY is divorce rate so fucking high?"

The problem is divorce, and +90% of all failed marriage is fighting about money.

Why get married? When you know divorce is coming and she will take 1/2 to all of your STUFF; given the court's are loaded against the man.

I have a better question, WHY WOULD A SANE MAN MARRY IN THE USA?


Then there are the real issues, ... surly bitches, ... don't fuck on demand, bad attitude.

The problem is that in the USA men are no longer men, and women are no longer women. Women in the USA don't have any feminine quality, and men in the USA don't have male quality's.

Given the asexual PORN, and teenager preferring PORN and Video-Games,... you can see where this is going.


All bullshit, go to ASIA, and find a BILLION women 1/2 to 1/4 your age, that will fuck you ever day, and only can take the money you give them, and every word out of their mouth is a sweet word.

My asian wife is a doll, and her first gesture every morning she grab's my PRICK and say's good morning and kisses me on the CHEEK, ... Everyday and all day is always smiles and tenderness. I can touch her any time and she don't fight.

Hell you touch an American women ( after you marry her ) and the cop's come to your house and take your gun's, USA women are about as sexual when they get over 30 as an ice-box.

The problem with west/east I see is SEX, an Asian woman knows that if she don' fuck you everyday another woman will, a Western woman doesn't give a fuck, about sexual needs of her man.

Married in the USA for what? Ok, ... children...

Then there is the 'black' problem the system put's all black-men in prison, and mothers  have to raise children alone, and this has been going on since the 1950's when the State (CSD) 'child services' started stealing children from family's.

Then political correctness destroyed masculinty/feminity, ..

FUCK the USA, and those things they call women that system (TV) has created.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:52 | 4742415 vulcanraven
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+1000 to you sir.

My best friend learned Japanese and moved to Japan for 3 years and ended up finding his wife. He married her In Japan and brought her back to the USA. She cooks amazing dinner every night, cleans the house, laundry, etc. Even does a little gardening, their house is always immaculate.

Seems to me, in the US that women are the new men. There are no rules anymore, and all bets are off. A few of the girls I have dated have absolutely zero moral compass, and zero integrity. These modern women sure want it all don't they? 24 hour a day attention and just do whatever the hell they please, and don't be surprised when they tell you that's still not good enough. There seems to be no loyalty at all, and they move from relationship to relationship like locusts. Once they have razed the man of whatever masculinity he had before they got together, they move onto their next pathetic victim. If a man shows any sense of dominance nowadays, he is instantly labeled a mysoginist. Now I live in Los Angeles so I realize I may have a somewhat skewed point of view on this subject, and I am sure there are still pockets of the US where the traditional male/female dynamic is still intact, but I live In Liberal Progressive PC hell and I am calling it how I see it.

I hate to blame politics for this mess, as we all know what an absolute joke it all is, but I can't help but think that a "racially diverse metrosexual president" really helped inch this bullshit forward. And If you think It's bad now, wait until Hitlery takes the reins... pure fucking hell on Earth. I look around and see what is happening to this country and I just wanna disappear. PC culture, "reality TV" (lol) and feminism continues to erode the traditional male/female dynamic at blinding speed. What we have ended up with is an entire generation of pussified men that kowtow to the modern woman's every demand. Is this what women's liberation intended? Enjoy your fucking pussyboys and I hope y'all know how to shoot a gun/repair a sink/fix a flat/etc, I am dippin out to a different culture completely to find a good woman where the well hasn't yet been poisoned. Ain't "Western culture" a motherfucker? 

Time to crack open my bottle of North Coast Old Stock 2011, (15.2% abv) and continue to enjoy the shit out of this thread, as most of the thoughts posted tonight echo what I have already been feeling about marriage and relationships in this shithole city/state/country.

Keep on keepin it real ZH, this place seems to be the last bastion of sanity in this insane world.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:01 | 4742546 james.connolly
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North Coast Old Stock 2011, (15.2% abv)

I hate returning to the USA, but I do miss the real beer :)


Japanese women are the best, but Japan is very-very expensive.

But the JAPANESE woman has perfected the MODEL of the perfect woman, sexy, silent, obedient, woman in street, whore in the bedroom,

Sweet words, beautiful skin, kindness, everything clean always,....

Yep, if you can't afford a JAPANESE wife, then for god's sake try to find one in a 3rd world country that looks and act's like one :)

For ASIAN men, they prefer JAPAN women the best, the largest breasts the whitest skin, the sweetest smile, the childlike innocence, and the insane moaning they make when they make love. It's still disturbing even now after many years of marriage my wife screams like a virgin, I always want to say "Am I hurting you", ... and of course they say no,... They  really do like sex,... if you are gentle with them,...

Yes, its true us WHITE GUY's are MUCH larger than the ASIAN men, but the women love it.


Probably only comment I might make is wait until 40 to go to ASIA, and make/save as much money as you can before that, about the only job's in the country or small towns is teaching english. Sure you can work EXPAT in city's, but then most guys go crazy in the city's too many women, and the guys always forget to show up to work. When you have 1,000's of beautiful women hitting you up everyday, for young white-guys they always have problems. Near me is a school that has foreigners teach, and everytime they get a 20-24 boy to teach he never lasts more than 2 months and always the same failure, they fail to show up to work, cuz they're bedding every girl in the classroom.


Unless you have a very HIGH level of  self discipline, I only see young guys spend money in ASIA, ... they don't seem to think about tomorrow. So most end up having to return to the USA. The thing is to save money, or make money, an then go to asia and live  frugal and enjoy life, you can still live well for $300/month in most places.


It seems to me that the GOVERNMENT in the USA wants men & women to HATE each other.

It's all divide and conquer we know,

Nazi's made children hate their parents remember?


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:14 | 4742668 j-dub
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You're getting to something aren't you?  You are THIS close............

I'll spill the beans and you think it over.   Women are parasites who have successfully tricked many men into believing women are symbiotes or worse-tricked the men into believing they themselves are actually the parasites. 

The problem is that the true hosts are waking up.....................

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:43 | 4744328 Monty Burns
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"every morning she grab's my PRICK and say's good morning and kisses me on the CHEEK"


Wouldn't it be better if you got her to grab your CHEEK and kiss your PRICK instead?


Just sayin'

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:45 | 4741828 pachanguero
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Come to Thailand or Asia.  Sexy and traditional women.  No child support and no bullshit family court.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:09 | 4741932 james.connolly
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I always say here in ASIA, ... "A woman here can only take the money you give her".

What's even better is that there is no court or law that say's you must even give her a nickel while married.

HEAVEN for men,

The west is HELL for men.


If  you see a man come to Asia and bitch that he lost money, be sure to REMIND the moron that nobody put a gun to his head and took the money,... 99.99% of the time the guy gives the woman big money for 'love'.

I say this so all understand, ASIAN men dont' give shit to their women, and thus us white guy's MUST play the game the same.

Nothing worse than a white guy coming to ASIA and giving all his money to a woman, and then she dumps him and he blames Asian women, but you would NEVER do that shit in the WEST.

Guys come over here with their dicks leading them, and leave their brains at home.

Learn the language, and culture,... before you get involved with women in ASIA;

But after that its all good, and most men have more than one wife,...

I only ask ASIAN women to treat me like an ASIAN man,... and they're still happy to be with a white guy, we tend to be more monogamous, and egalitarian; The west is good about the equality thing, in ASIA a boy is high, and a woman is low,... most western men treat their women as equals.

So treat her as an equal, just dont' ever give her any money, if she wants money, they make her earn it, ... that's why I always choose professional women with education  and their own job.


I know you all this stuff PACH, ... but the deal here is that MARRIAGE sucks in the USA, ... but love is nice in ASIA, where 70 year old fart can have a sweet beauty queen 1/2 his age,...

If there is a FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH on EARTH, its sleeping with a a woman 1/3 your age :)



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4741829 ricky663
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"Many believe that by "trying out" the other person first that it will give them a much better chance of making marriage work if they eventually do choose to go down that path. "

Why not try before you buy? Marriage does not come with a "money back" guarantee.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:28 | 4741992 daveO
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DO NOT fall for that fallacy. Like my divorced uncle always said, 'You can live with/date a woman for 6 years and you won't meet the real person until the day after you marry her'. They know the laws are stacked in their favor and act accordingly.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:31 | 4742152 james.connolly
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'You can live with/date a woman for 6 years and you won't meet the real person until the day after you marry her'.


That's true, a wise old goat once told me that a woman is like a bus, SHE run's like hell to catch YOU, and then SHE sit's on HER ass post marriage.

On the other hand there will be another bus in 15 minutes.


ASIA is the ticket, .. they can't take any money, other than what you give them.

Hell even in EUROPE its worse, GERMANY is worse of  all your divorced wife can garnishee your new GF in Germany, so a lot women will not get involved with a divorced man,... he's fucked.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:23 | 4742386 Nick Jihad
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Very true - no matter how long you date, it's all sales pitch, until you unwisely sign on the dotted line. Only then you find out who you just signed your life over to.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:47 | 4741837 10mm
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Fuckin buisness arrangement.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:56 | 4741840 Johnny Moscow
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Marriage is simply a bad deal for men these days.

Low-income women can just lean on Uncle Sam to give them the minimal support they need so they don't need husbands - this is particularly true in the African-American community where the single mother ratio is off the charts.

Middle-class women (what's left of them) are completely spoiled little special snowflakes who are told they can do no wrong, that men are bad for the most part and that they don't need a husband (since they can be a strong and independent woman all on their own). They are also inbued with ridiculous expectations about what their men should be (or rather do for them).

Men essentially get financially raped in any sort of divorce. "No fault" divorce laws make it easy for women to divorce their husbands (women inititiate 70+% of all divorces in the US). Men even go to jail for missing alimony payments. The system is a mess and totally rigged in favor of women against mem. Thank the Feminists for some of that, but the legal system is also to blame.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4741868 Spungo
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"Feminists" did a lot of damage to this country. The original feminists were actual feminists. They wanted equal rights, and that was a good cause, but much like the environmental movement, it was somehow hijacked by socialists who fail at life. Now they use gender and the environment to inflict socialism on everyone. You don't need a husband and you don't need a wife. The state will pick up the slack. The state actively punishes single mothers who choose to get married. If you live with a dude or get married, your welfare benefits get slashed big time. The goverment literally pays people to stay single.

I can't remember who said this, but I think it's perfectly summed up in one sentence: marriage and family are the free market solution to poverty. I know it's true in my life. When I was poor, I relied on my family. When you have the government, you no longer need a family.

If a conservative government really wanted to stop gay marriage, it would pay welfare benefits to signle gay people then slash those benefits when gays get married. Bam, no need for constitutional amendment to stop gay marriage. It worked for straight people, so I don't see why this tactic can't work for gay people.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4741888 james.connolly
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Blame the LAWYER's not the women.

The woman is told the money is her's, and she get's 40%, problem is with court costs, that she might walk with only 20% of her take, which is still +60% of your net worth,

But make no mistake that the CONTINGENCY DIVORCE business is a RAIN-MAKER for the legal system,

Also understand that JUDGES get billions of dollars of kick-backs from this system,

The women are just played like a fiddle in front of jury's by the lawyers who are trained actors.



Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:13 | 4742477 AGuy
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"Blame the LAWYER's not the women. The woman is told the money is her's, and she get's 40%, problem is with court costs,"

You know murder is wrong.

You know arson is wrong.

You know stealing is wrong.


Women know its wrong, but do it anyway.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:00 | 4741892 Johnny Moscow
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Feminists are indeed a disaster. 

Re the 'original Feminists', well, if you take a look at Susan Sontag she sure doesn't seem very 'feminine' to me))

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:39 | 4742026 Dingleberry
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spungo....whatever life form down-voted you is a stupid fucker.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:09 | 4742239 james.connolly
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Feminism was orginally 'freedom' for women, it was their 'liberalism', it was their 'tea party'.

Somewhere along the line 'FEMINISM' went from women being strong, assertion of self, to this poltiical correct bullshit.

We see it typified in Pelosi, Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, we call it FEMI-NAZI,

But understand that orginal femnism, was not about abusing males and torturing them like Janet Reno's brand of FEMINISM.

The problem is that WOMEN in control was supposed to be KINDER and MORE GENTLE but the truth is that women to the RIGHT of STALIN are who get elected and took control.


In summary I don't blame normal women, and I don't blam the feminst movement, ... I just blame the WEST, and you can be sure that AIPAC had a lot to do with it, especially given that everyone of these FEMALE NAZI's is an AIPAC ALL Star.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:29 | 4742395 Nick Jihad
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It seems like you are coming, in a roundabout way, to the simple truth that feminism and socialism are the same thing. Exactly the same.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4741870 james.connolly
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Marriage or MEDICAL its all the same

Get married they fuck you and take  all your money

Get sick in the USA, they fuck you and take all your money

Why is this? Because of the COURTS, and the LEGAL/LAWYER system,

Remember that all politicians are LAWYERS

AMERICA is a terrible place, and marriage was destroyed by the LEGAL/LAWYER a system designed to asset strip a man to the bone.

A system designed to ENRICH lawyers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4741885 Johnny Moscow
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I haven't seen the movie "Divorce Corp" yet, but it's supposedly very good and goes into great detail about how screwed up the US court systems are and how everyone involved on the legal side are strongly incentivized to make divorce proceedings drag on and on for as long as possible -- mostly to enrich the legal counsels and even the court judges (who often end up on the other side after years of 'service', so the system continues on).

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:23 | 4741975 yogibear
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"A system designed to ENRICH lawyers."

And they write the laws.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:32 | 4742008 james.connolly
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It's RECURSION you know and that be the devils work.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:08 | 4741901 Seek_Truth
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For thousands of years, the marriage contract is a solemn, sacred vow to follow moral principles and laws from God, and live by these precepts set by numerous generations that proved its efficacy.

Then the gubmint got involved. Then, thanks to da gubmint, planned parenthood got involved. Then, destruction of the nuclear family, WIC, Foodstamps, abortion, alimony, child support, EBT, no child left behind, common core, etc, etc, etc.

No wonder things are as they are.

A very slippery slope indeed.

Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken. -Ecclesiastes 4:12

Don't remove an ancient boundary marker that your ancestors established. - Proverbs 22:28

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:05 | 4742227 Prisoners_dilemna
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"Don't remove an ancient boundary marker that your ancestors established"

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:25 | 4742269 Buckaroo Banzai
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Of course, the other way to look at it is that Jesus Christ's divinity caused such a monumental impact in space and time, that He cast a shadow both forwards AND backwards in time. The pagan "origins" then become merely a thin foreshadowing, kind of like foreshocks that precede the main earthquake.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:45 | 4742316 Seek_Truth
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The Old Testament that both quotes I posted originated before Christ, and hence de facto "pre Christian".

In addition, the claims of pagan origins of these sayings may be due to one or two fairly well known phenomena:

1- Solomon, son of David, became an apostate in his later reign (1 Kings 10:14 through 1 Kings 11:41; 2 Chronicles 9:13-31; Compare Deuteronomy 17:14-20) and learned of these sayings from his pagan wives and concubines,

2- The revisionist "history" in the link you provided is gibberish and hokum.

Either way does not negate the wisdom of the Scriptures quoted.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:46 | 4742417 Prisoners_dilemna
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Ancient cultures around the Mediterranean shared standard ideas about Gods and their powers and place in the universe— Christianity simply adopted those ideas and applied them to Jesus. Ancient people knew godmen did miracles. The first Christians thought Jesus was a godman, so they told stories about Jesus doing miracles. They even had Him doing the same miracles as the other godmen. The core of Christianity—the worship of a miracle working, walking, talking godman who brings salvation—was also the core of other ancient religions that began at least a thousand years before Jesus. Heaven, hell, prophecy, daemon possession, sacrifice, initiation by baptism, communion with God through a holy meal, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, immortality of the soul, and many other "Christian" ideas all belonged to earlier, older Pagan faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture. Along with miracle working sons of God, born of a mortal woman, they were common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religion. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more. And they had them generations—centuries— before Jesus was a twinkle in Saint Paul's eye.

No comprehensive, consistent analysis of the evidence can pick out Christianity as fundamentally different from other ancient pagan religions.


You need to learn the history of your faith and get that beam out of your eye.


I would suggest Darwin's Catherdral by David Sloan Wilson.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:19 | 4742494 Seek_Truth
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I would suggest that you pull your head out of the sand and look at what is going on around you.

If you were to actually do so, meaning that instead of believing verbatim what revisionists have "discovered", you would realize that every word of the Holy Scriptures is being fulfilled as we speak, and that there are not many prophecies yet to be be fulfilled until Christ returns.

To summarize, have fun with your comic books, or grow up and start taking the Holy Scriptures seriously.

Your call (free will).


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:05 | 4741919 Commodore64
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Well, im not bitter about marriage, its too sweet to be free again. :)


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:12 | 4741940 pachanguero
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fucking lawyer should all be hung!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4741986 james.connolly
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Fucking JUDGES are all lawyers who robbed people and then bought their seat at the court,

In the court quid-pro--quo, is where the real deal and the real money is made.

FUCK THE USA JUST-US 'justice' system

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:15 | 4741952 FredFlintstone
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"many young adults (especially women) do not even want to date someone that is not employed"...This study must not have been done across all socio-economic strata. Maybe they count gangbangin as a job.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:19 | 4741963 Commodore64
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Dont let Wilma hear ya.

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