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IRS Audited Tea Party Donors Ten Times More Often Than Regular Americans

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Authored by Rick Moran, originally posted at American Thinker,

When the IRS was targeting conservative groups seeking tax exempt status for special scrutiny, they demanded the list of donors supporting those groups in 17 cases. Despite assurances from the agency that the lists had been destroyed, a search requested by Congress revealed that at least 3 lists had survived.

  • And of the donors on those lists, fully 10% of the individuals had been audited.
  • The rate of audits for ordinary Americans is about 1%.

Now, the House Ways and Means Oversight Committee is demanding that the Government Accountability Office investigate the IRS to see why so many Tea Party donors were audited.

Washington Times:

“The committee uncovered new information indicating that after groups provided the information to the IRS, nearly one in 10 donors were subject to audit,” Rep. Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana Republican and chairman of the Ways and Means Committee’s oversight panel, told IRS Commissioner John Koskinen at a hearing Wednesday.


“The abuse of discretion and audit selection must be identified and stopped,” he said.


Mr. Koskinen didn’t specifically address the accusations during the hearing, and the IRS didn’t respond to a request for comment late Wednesday evening.




Republicans said 24 conservative groups were asked for their donor lists. The IRS initially told Congress that those lists were destroyed, but when they went through their files they discovered three lists that weren’t destroyed.


Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, asked the IRS to review the names on those lists to see whether any had been audited. The IRS reported back that 10 percent were audited — substantially higher than the average rate of 1 percent of average Americans who are audited each year.


Mr. Boustany said he has asked the Government Accountability Office, Congress‘ chief watchdog, to look at how the IRS Exempt Organizations Division decided whom to audit. He said the GAO review is underway and demanded that Mr. Koskinen offer investigators full cooperation.


IRS has long insisted that Americans should not worry about political targeting at your agency because the IRS has layers of internal protections to guard against it. But in the course of our investigation, however, we found that Lois Lerner acted in defiance of these internal protections,” Mr. Boustany said.

So not only was asking for the donor lists in the first place a violation of regulations, the evidence strongly suggests that the IRS tried to intimidate Tea Party donors by auditing their tax returns.

No other federal agency has the ability to make your life as miserable as the IRS is capable of doing. The GAO has to get to the bottom of this in order to name those who would use the power of government to intimidate ordinary Americans and fire them. Even the appearance of impropriety should get them canned.


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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:35 | 4741431 Ignatius
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Both major criminal organizations have played this game.

The problem is the bat they swing, that being the IRS.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:38 | 4741437 Pool Shark
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Not really; given that the vast majority of the Democrat Party's constituents don't pay taxes, and only file for the EIC.

[Disclaimer: Not a supporter of the Repugs...]


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:47 | 4741464 stant
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They live! And invasion of the body snatchers. Kinda rolled up into one movie, they are all over tv with black framed glasses, spouting propaganda. It's a great source of humor for me. Even tho we are so fucked

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:55 | 4741513 RevRex
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but but but Bush did the same thing, both parties are the same..........


What's so hard to believe is that anyone is dumb enough to believe both parties are the same......



IF both parties are the same, why does the Socialist Semite Media treat them so differently?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:01 | 4741516 Beam Me Up Scotty
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This is EXACTLY why we need to scrap the tax code in favor of a flat tax that can be filled out on a postcard.  I'm sick of these statist pricks using the power of the IRS to harass any law abiding american.  Its pathetic.  No more fucking political pandering by the assholes in CONgress either.  All the tax code is, is a vote buying scheme.  We should DEMAND it be taken away from them.  The IRS is nothing more than a jobz program for millions of people both in the government and out.  They should find a new calling.

But, But, I LIKE my mortgage tax deduction.....WAAAA

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:03 | 4741527 Runs-With_Toast
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The world is going to shit fast

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:04 | 4741532 Beam Me Up Scotty
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The closer you get to the drain, the faster you start to spin....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:20 | 4741572 Troll Magnet
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I R S ... Another Jewish organization terrorizing Americans. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:29 | 4741592 economics9698
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When you think of the political parties, and how they are treated by the press, it’s useful to think of the hip, cool, Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals.  The Globetrotters get all the praise and the Generals are made fun of and derided as not really a serious basketball team.


Pretty much the show we have in Washington now, the superstars and the B team.  Boehner is always there to fuck things up when the heat gets too hot for the Democrats.  The Republicans know their role well, divert attention away from the Democrats when the shit gets hot.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:50 | 4741651 DaddyO
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Even the appearance of impropriety should get them canned.


Hell, they got bonuses for their outstanding service to this once great nation...


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:56 | 4741874 Yes We Can. But...
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Just eliminate withholding so that there are thus no refunds, and make income taxes for prior year due in full by 4/15.  Taxpayers will have to plan and set aside enough to pay their taxes.  When they cut that big check every April, they will wake the fuck up.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:09 | 4741933 nmewn
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Even better, move elections to April 15th.

They can stroke a check and then go vote ;-)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:17 | 4742112 Buckaroo Banzai
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Fucking AGAIN with this flat tax shit??

ALL types of income taxes are the problem, not just the progressive kinds.

When they tax your income, they are really taxing your liberty. You cease to be a free person, and become an indentured servant to the state. Indentured for LIFE.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:20 | 4742120 nmewn
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Its a slow grind to where most want to be. Its not my world, I just dance around its participants ;-)

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:52 | 4742905 Save_America1st
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People just need to realize that both parties are really just 2 heads of the same monster.  They both want the power and control and they fight back and forth over who gets that power over certain periods of time.  But in the end, they're really the same fucking monster. 

The Tea Party or basically classical liberalism in the sense of Libertarianism, freedom, Constitution, etc. represents a huge danger to the 2 headed monster.

The Dems/obama/IRS, etc. may have been attacking the Tea Party and the American patriots who support Libertarianism.  But let's not forget that the GOP establishment also did their part in attacking the Tea Party and any Libertarian candidates who were vulnerable in any elections.

They deliberately withheld funds, trashed them in the media and behind our backs, undercut them politically whenever possible...all of this AFTER the rise of the Tea Party movement in 2010 helped give the GOP record numbers of wins and full control of the House and put John "Crybaby" BONER in as the Speaker.

And he betrayed all of us immediately by allowing obama to run us over with the IRS and everythingn else.

It's a big fucking game and an exclusive club as well....AND WE AIN'T INVITED TO JOIN THEM.  They used us politically and they are destroying us illegally afterwards.

The American people need to wake up and quit letting these fuckers divide and conquer us with their bullshit psy-ops with religion, sex/gender, racism, guns, money, jobs, immigration, environment, etc. 

It's all just a game to them of power and control over us.  It's so simple, yet the majority of the American people fall for it day after fucking day and let it rule their lives while these scumbags grow stronger and harder to route out of their political stranglehold over us.

I really don't think it'll end though.  You can see how they've cranked up pressure on super high levels across the board.  They've hit the afterburners and are racing to the finish line.  They feel like if they don't put the final nail in our coffin now it'll be a tremendous setback to their NWO aspirations and to the destruction of the American so-called "middle class", who they totally despise.

They need to drive us all into poverty now, as fast as possible, and chop out from under us our Constitutional foundation.  They aren't going to turn back now...not after they've gotten this far and so close after over 100 years of slowly eroding everything that was good and that American stood for.

They've rotted the pillars holding us up and now they're just kicking them out from under us as many at a time as they can, so we have to understand that there's really nobody substantial enough in the District of Criminals who can or will make a difference on our behalf.  That's a fantasy.

We're going to have to do it ourselves.  And it just might take another uprising on our behalf as a nation to stop this Marxist, Fascist, Oligarchical revolution that's being perpetrated against us. 

Yes....THEY are the revolutionaries...not US.  They're the traitors...not US.  They're the domestic enemies we take an oath to defend our Constitution against.  They are like an evil, alien race who have come down and infiltrated our society like a cancer to erode everything that was good.  They're sociopaths and psychopaths.  They hate us and would kill us instantly if they could. 

We have to know this about them and take it very fucking personally that they endanger our freedom and our very existence.  They endanger the entire planet and we have to treat them like the very dangerous enemy that they are. Keep this in mind, always:


“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero, 45 B.C.


IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:08 | 4742468 sylviasays
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Probably is that most people now don't write a check on April 15th either because they owe no taxes or their taxes are withheld from their pay checks throughout the year. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:07 | 4742605 StychoKiller
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I wanna job at the SEC so's I getz paid to watch pr0n all day...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:33 | 4742010 samsara
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Hey, T hat's my analogy...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:06 | samsara

Exactly. Dems/Reps The Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals. Both of which are paid from the same bank account. ALL exhibition games.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:30 | 4741772 Spumoni
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Not one to miss the opportuniy to be an asshole, are you, er...Troll Magnet?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:14 | 4741725 Seek_Truth
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The only "fair tax" is one based on consumption- a sales tax. IF there are to be any taxes, then, sales tax is the only way to go.

Cons- it's a tax.

Pros- too numerous to mention.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:18 | 4741958 nmewn
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The good thing (for statists) is a consumption tax catches the black market on legal sales. Instead of based on the contrivance of "earnings & wages" its based on what one spends.

Of course, the "progressive tax system" on wages/earnings would have to go the way of the dodo bird before I could accept it. Its not a supplement to them confiscating our wages, its a replacement...or I stay in the black market.

We do have to outline these things in clear terms or the progs start creaming their jeans over a new tax ;-)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:44 | 4742159 Seek_Truth
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Yes, nmewn, I was being succint.  One of the many things the abolition of all taxes but a sales tax would accomplish:

- ALL persons purchases would be taxed, even "under the table jobs", prostitution, "illegal" drugs, in short, everyone would have to contribute- no exceptions.

- It would result in the decimation of headcount of the IRS, Tax Attorneys, Accountants, the Post Office, and many and sundry other gubmint leeches.

- Anyone who doesn't own a business would not be requred to file a tax return.

- It encourages saving rather than consumerism.

- It results in people actually learning the meaning of "value".

- Etc, etc, etc

- to infinity!

PS- It's why TPTB are opposed to it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:47 | 4742533 TheReplacement
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How would you get prostitutes and drug dealers to report sales and pay the sales tax?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:16 | 4742561 Seek_Truth
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Apparently you overlooked the obvious. No problem, it's late.

Anything anyone buys - at the moment you buy it and never again- (Cars, food, house, clothing, furniture. etc, etc, etc) would be taxed. No one could avoid it unless they lived in a tent, trapped/hunted/harvested/survived on/grew their own produce on "public" lands.

Everyone (excluding the above examples) would pay taxes.

Pretty much everyone, except those who learn to live life completely "off the grid."

PS- Prostitutes and drug dealers buy the same goods "above the table" folks do.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:41 | 4743042 N2OJoe
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I didn't get it at first either but what you/he is saying is the drug dealers, prostitutes wouldn't charge sale tax but they would pay it on anything they buy.

I like the idea because even illegals would have to pay their own way, which in itself would likely eliminate illegal immigration by itself.

You would need a kind of sales tax IRS to keep biz honest, but it would cut down on the redunancy of having to enforce multiple different types of taxes. It would also drastically reduce the number of taxpayers since businesses are collecting all the taxes and remitting to the gov instead of every individual in the country filing income taxes regardless of what they pay or mooch in dollar terms.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:55 | 4742065 MontgomeryScott
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"This is EXACTLY why we need to scrap the tax code in favor of a flat tax"


Article I, section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.


The Sixteenth Amendment WAS, NOT, RATIFIED (you can research this deeply, and find admissions and statements by FEDERAL COURT JUDGES within case law that prove this fact).

The IRS is a private corporation, as is the Federal Reserve System that usurped Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 without a Constitutional Convention (and therefore, not LEGAL under the Constitution).

How about a NO PERSONAL TAX to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, as is the LAW?

Oh, don't forget, Income taxes are VOLUNTARY. HARRY REID HIMSELF said so:

Listen to what this asshole Federal Reserve monkes states. It sounds like YOUR proposal, by the way...


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:32 | 4742153 Overfed
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Just try showing income and then not paying that 'voluntary' tax. Let us all know how it turns out for you.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:02 | 4742083 WTF_247
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Never gonna happen.

Politicians use the tax code to dole out favors for votes and donations, punish enemies and reward friends.

They want 2 things 1) get re-elected and 2) move up the power chain.

Removing the 1 effective tool they have to do both of the above is not on anyone's agenda.  Also - do not forget the revolving door.  They go from Congress to the private sector as lobbyists for 20x the pay all the time. Why would you vote for something that will likely cost you your job in the next election?  Why would you put your future massive earnings as a lobbyist in jeopardy?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:48 | 4742187 sbenard
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I say we just scrap the 16th Amendment and get back to the Constitution. That would solve everything!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:05 | 4741534 i_call_you_my_base
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Bush didn't do the same thing, when he was in power the republicans just rigged the machines.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:29 | 4741593 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Thats another topic that just blows my mind.  People(the sheep) think voting machines are great because they are so up to date, and modern looking.  Why would a society as rich and intelligent as ours use paper ballots ever again?  Funny thing is, with no paper trail, you are exaclty right.  ANY election can be rigged.

OH, and I forgot CONVENIENT too.  We must have CONVENIENCE at ALL costs!!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:44 | 4741638 i_call_you_my_base
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I've made every dollar in my professional career from technology, but still think we should go back to paper ballots, and perhaps purple fingers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:57 | 4741677 economics9698
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Finger print technology and the internet are here in every police department, why not voting?

Fraud and fixed elections are a fact of life.  If voting made a difference it would be outlawed. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:21 | 4742121 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. Electronic voting machines are just the 21st century way of rigging elections. Probably every presidential election since the Reagan landslides has been rigged. Kennedy's election was a notorious rig job.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:04 | 4742087 WTF_247
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purple fingers would be somehow construed as racist.  Its ok for other countries but I can only imagine the backlash here.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:16 | 4741559 NickVegas
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Look behind the curtain dumbshit.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:35 | 4742015 roadlust
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It's because Tea Party donors are too stupid to fill out tax forms.   (Although they really are kinda hard!  There's reading and math and stuff!) 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:49 | 4742435 401K of Dooom
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Because the GOP is full of Masochistic conditioned idiots who will do the bidding of the DNC in order to curry favor from the main stream media.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:30 | 4742004 Payne
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Can the Tea Party masquerade as a liberal green not for profit so their donors are not audited ?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:42 | 4741466 Rainman
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Hard to believe the sheep are still signing up for the red team or the blue team or any other team. Partisan atheism is the only way.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:49 | 4741492 onewayticket2
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i dont recall Media Matters getting any scrutiny for its tax exempt status....and they're as partisan as you get

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:26 | 4741761 Roanman
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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:57 | 4742445 Nick Jihad
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It's not falling for red-team/blue-team bullshit, to observe the simple fact that the federal civil service is 95% hard-core blue team. It is, in fact, naive and stupid to say that "both sides do it", when any fool can see that if a Republican politician were to request IRS audits, that fact would immediately be leaked to the press, and the press would put it on the front page. Versus what clearly happened when a Democract politician made the same request - the IRS happlily complied, and the press did its best to sweep the scandal under the rug.

Yes, there is a difference.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:43 | 4741469 DeadFred
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Besides, I'm pretty sure it's Bush's fault.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:48 | 4741483 fonzannoon
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So it's 2004 and Bush is getting his daily Iraq update from his generals. They say to him "Mr. President we have bad news, today 3 Brazilian troops were killed in Iraq. Bush sits there. Does not even move, his jaw drops. After a minute or so he just breaks down and starts crying hysterically. After about 2 minutes of this he looks up at the (obviously) confused Generals and says " exactly how many is a brazillion?".

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:50 | 4741495 cynicalskeptic
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Nah.... Nixon had using the IRS for harassment down to an art form.....  

that said, BOTH parties misuse any and all means to put pressure on 'opponents'.  

And BOTH parties try to skirt all limits on campaign funding.  

If we are going to have an IRS (and the justification for taxes on EARNED income is tenuous at best) then it should be isolated from political influence.  

But then if you had limited (and ONLY) public funding for ALL political races (easy to do if you mandated that media provide a limited amount of time or space for ads) you'd eliminate much of the games played.  Without money as an influence it would come down to blackmail and spying - what the skeeltons were in your closet. Seems like NOBODY that's actually squeaky clean is ever allowed to reach higher office (the few that get close have really bad luck with plane flights).

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:26 | 4742138 Buckaroo Banzai
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Nixon used the IRS to target individual political enemies. Obama has used it to broadly target ideologies that he dislikes.

THAT is a fucking big difference.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:00 | 4742450 Nick Jihad
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When Nixon did it, the press were all over the story. When Obama did it, the press decided that there was no story. Another big difference.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:42 | 4741470 sschu
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Both major criminal organizations have played this game.

Citation please. I am not a supporter of either party, but we need facts. 

He says they should be canned?  How about prosecuted and jailed?

I think Nixon went down in large part for this abuse.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:46 | 4741476 Ignatius
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I'm not suggesting that they should not be prosecuted, they should.

IRS is invasive and out of control with extra-legal powers.

I say take away the weapon.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:30 | 4741597 smithcreek
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It would be accurate to say the both parties "tried to" or "would" use the IRS to intimidate political enemies, but only one party has been successful.  Pretty sure it would be the same party that receives the majority of donations from unionized government employees.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:35 | 4741792 Spumoni
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I'm sure that, if the GOP actually had a platform and agenda that consisted of more than name-calling and wishful thinking, they would use the taxbat just as effectively as the Demaglobs.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:44 | 4741475 Flying Wombat
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Catherine Engelbrecht’s 7 minute testimony is some of the most powerful yet concerning massive abuse by the IRS, FBI and other agencies as tools of political suppression.  Click here if you haven't seen it.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:15 | 4741556 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Gee, and here I thought we lived in the Land of the think, the brown skinned terrorists hate us for our freedoms!!


/SARC  for all of you statists reading this who are too damn dense to figure things out.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:47 | 4741481 Save_America1st
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Larkin Rose:  The Tiny Dot

take 7 minutes to watch this and then pass it on to wake others up. 

(Oh...and owning guns and lotsa ammo helps too)  ;-)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:53 | 4741511 Overfed
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We have 10s of millions of people with hundreds of millions of guns, and yet no one has started just shooting the cocksuckers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:15 | 4741949 Lost Word
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Because the Gun owners are better people than the Government?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:31 | 4742151 MontgomeryScott
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In answer to your question:

By and large, people who own weapons LEGALLY feel that they are isolated. They've seen the portrayals of 'lone nuts with guns', for the past 40 years or so, and are also medicated and flouridated (as well as married, most likely), and they, for the most part, believe the LIE of their so-called 'PREACHERS' who teach that the GOVERNMENT is GOD. Their wives tell them and their programmed educated children tell them, and the media tells them, and their employers tell them, and the 'government' tells them; that GUNS are 'DANGEROUS'. Cowed and tired of fighting the negative opinions, they choose to WAIT until the final moment (at which time, owning a gun and trying to fight an AH-60 Apache, or a well-armed and trained SWAT team with INCENDIERIES) becomes impossible.

Basically, most 'gun owners' are really PUSSIES, and won't get out of their Barcaloungers to stand for what's right (because they are fat, and lazy, and scared of losing their posessions as well as their 'families', which now consist of a woman he isn't married to; who is equally obtuse, and the few mulatto children that he decided to 'raise as his own').

'HAVING a WEAPON', and KNOWING WHEN TO CORRECTLY USE ONE, are not mutually allied.

Oh, yeah. WHO has the bigger, better, faster guns? The GOVERNMENT, or 'the Gun owners'?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:06 | 4742466 Nick Jihad
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You are overlooking the obvious. Lefties will always resort to political murder first. Consider the French revolution, and the Bolshevik revolution, for example. The left's fear of guns is, like so many other lefty fears, pure projection - they assume that their opponents wish to do to them, the same things that they so earnestly wish to do to their opponents.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:13 | 4742103 MontgomeryScott
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WORD, and hat-tip to WRH for keeping this video at the forefront. Aloha, Micheal and Claire Rivero!

Try searching 'The Eleventh Marble'. THAT is a much better way of exposing the reasoning behind the FED RES hounding of so-called 'tea partiers'; some of whom actually like dealing with the issue of the FED RES (and further, the IRS as a COLLECTION AGENT' like a mafia enforcment arm).

A link to 'the Tiny Dot' can be found HERE:

I'd personally recommend watching BOTH the videos at the enclosed link I provide, as well as reading the easy, short, and factual simplistic analysis of these provided courtesy Micheal Rivero.

The rabbit hole goes much deeper.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:05 | 4741537 Payne
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they did the same to our company from 2000 to 2005.  All Bush years.  SOP.  They destroyed our company by auditing all our clients after admitting that they illegally downloaded our client list then claiming they destroyed it.  Then the audits started in 2002 and continued untill BK filing by us.  The story remains the same.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:32 | 4741603 Seize Mars
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I hear you man. I've seen it. This is exactly why they fought the revolution.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:37 | 4742167 MontgomeryScott
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The Declaration Of Independence, presented for your review.

It's a short read, actually, but started a war, and a new nation.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:48 | 4742186 Buckaroo Banzai
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Payne, why do you think you were specifically targeted? I see three possibilities:

1) ideological reasons
2) practical political reasons (your company was in the way of someone with political clout)
3) or just randomly got caught in the enforcement gears

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:25 | 4742784 doctor10
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One of many good reasons the Founders intended Constitutional Government be funded with tariffs-and not direct taxation

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:36 | 4741435 homiegot
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Well, well, well...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:08 | 4742235 MontgomeryScott
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Well, well, well...

(old man)

"Did I ever tell you the joke about the three holes in the ground?"

(young man)

"No, I haven't heard that one."

(old man)

"Well, Well. Well... "

(they both laugh, in mutual understanding, as the old man throws another few sticks on the campfire, and the young man checks his 'I-Phone', and there's no signal out where they are, camping in the wilderness)

Meanwhile, Arbusto Oil just announced that they have three new Wells which seem to be producing, and their stock prices are rising. The young man, frantic to stay in the game, furiously punches this saved link, which seems to be 'unavailable'. He flails, and tries to use his index finger now, poking and hitting the screen until he finally sits down in frustration. Upon seeing this young man's antics, the old man asks 'Would you like to let me take a look at that gizmo? I know what's wrong.' The young man, exasperated, thrusts his Chinese technology at the older one, and says 'Whatever'.

The old man looks at this plastic and shiny techno-bauble, and, nodding his head as if in deeper thought, throws it in to the campfire. He smiles, as the young man becomes frantic, trying to retrieve it, but driven away from the heat generated. 'Holy SHIT, what the fuck did you do THAT for, you old fucker?'

The old man looks at him, shaking his head sadly, and smiling sadly. 'Well, Well, Well... '


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:37 | 4741438 Jerome Lester H...
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Fired? They should be thrown in prison!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:10 | 4741544 navy62802
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Prison? No. They committed treason against the United States. They should be executed.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:52 | 4741663 ACP
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That's what I'm talkin' about!

Fuck all that prison shit...unless, or course, it's life with hard labor, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:16 | 4741946 samsara
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Hearing " Prison...Life with..." I laugh.

We can't afford that long term care.

Do as a banker would.

Write off the debt, retire it.....

Trial, hanging

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:37 | 4741439 Seasmoke
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Just hang Lerner for Treason right there at her 5th amendment table ..... For everyone to see (most of all The Tribe)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:38 | 4741442 Colonel Walter ...
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When they came for me for my FEMA camp assignment.......I said nothing.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:46 | 4741480 DeadFred
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No other Federal agency has the ability to make your life as misearable... Huh? I'd rather get audited and have my assets stolen than indefinite detention in some hell hole. Maybe that's just me though.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:27 | 4742786 doctor10
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That's precisely what the Feds rely upon to get away with their crap

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:38 | 4741443 ThirdCoastSurfer
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They should look into those who shorted BAC and AIG while the government held shares. I got audited both years and nothing before or since. And I'm talking stupid, blatant, needless and obvious audits. You know, like the auditor pretended not to know that when you short a stock you get paid but when you settle you give the money back!!!!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:50 | 4741496 Babaloo
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I have auditors come in and audit me at my place of business every year, and I have to answer the same questions every year - without fail. 

It doesn't shock me that they didn't know how a short sale worked.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:44 | 4741473 Otto Zitte
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I've been audited about every 3 years since 1997, twice going back past the time limit. As a result I have refiled every year since 1994 at least 3 times. I have to have lawyers do my taxes because of this constant harassment. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:30 | 4741598 Seize Mars
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I'm sorry to hear that Otto. I've seen this. I don't really get it.

The IRS is unconstitutional, so...why do we have to put up with it?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:37 | 4741624 libertysghost
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Because they arm sociopaths and give them fancy badges and permission to destroy you...

And most people thi k that without the IRS they would get less free shit.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:09 | 4741681 Otto Zitte
Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:57 | 4742194 Mr. Ed
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"The IRS is unconstitutional, so...why do we have to put up with it?"


You don't. 

The IRS exists because you ALLOW it to exist.

Elect represnetatives who are willing to co-sponsor and vote for the FairTax legislation (HR25 / S122).  Make them aware that if they will not add their names to the growing list of co-sponsors, you will not vote for them.  Let your congressional representatives know that you want the IRS to be given the death penalty.

But the IRS and all the others in the tax industrial complex who profit from the misery of those subject to the Income Tax don't want anyone to discover what the FairTax is all about. 

Do your part.  Learn what it is.  Talk about it.  Spread the word.

We have miid-term elections coming up.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:11 | 4745458 Otto Zitte
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The IRS sent me a certified letter today. Wonder why they didn't send it to my lawyer. Here we go again... 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:49 | 4741486 No Quarter
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It would be interesting to see the statistics for how many senators and congressmen have been audited over a period of 10 years and see how that fits the percentage chart. I bet its lower than the national average.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:52 | 4741505 The 22nd Prime
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Wake me when the Nuremberg trials begin. Yawn...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:54 | 4741507 The 22nd Prime
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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:08 | 4741540 navy62802
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The IRS, like many US government agencies, is a tool of fascism used to subjugate private citizens to the national government. It is controlled not by elected government but by private interests (if there's even a difference between the two anymore).

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:11 | 4741546 monad
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The IRS is not a government agency. Its the IMF.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:31 | 4741600 libertysghost
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Which is part of the UN system...

Still partof A government system right?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:41 | 4741633 navy62802
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The IMF is simply private US interests. Same clown, just a different mask.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:59 | 4741683 Otto Zitte
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IMF = Rothschild/Windsor interests

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:08 | 4741930 samsara
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Actually you are right Otto. With the inclusion of a few more like Rockefeller, et al.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:09 | 4741542 Hail Spode
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Neither flat tax nor "fair" tax, but tariffs and corporate taxes for interstate corporations only to fund fedgov. This is the Localist position.   As long as there is a federal agency whose business is how you make, or how you spend, your money then fedgov can have its thumb on any citizen it wants.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:16 | 4741552 navy62802
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Donate in cash and don't claim it as an exemption. Problem solved.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:25 | 4741585 libertysghost
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Get rid of wage taxes...shrink the IRS massively...we already have ways of collecting taxes through existing businesses.  

Problem solved.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:11 | 4742474 Nick Jihad
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Do you really expect them to give up control that easily?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:50 | 4741654 SmittyinLA
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they didn't target people that claimed deductions or donations, political donations aren't deductible, they went after donors, period. 



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:24 | 4741977 Lost Word
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The idea about anonymous undeductible cash was about not being on record,

therefore no record trail existing to lead to an audit.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:36 | 4742020 Bemused Observer
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And what were the circumstances? Why is it being assumed, and so willingly, that this was some sort of vendetta against conservatives? Why are conservatives playing the victim here? If they were SO concerned about IRS abuse, they'd be presenting it as a widespread problem, and be showing the different folks that have been affected. But no, they present it as some sort of unique persecution against conservatives, and act as if only conservative groups are being targeted...or being being given 'special attentions' because they're conservative... it so hard to believe that this agency, that targets ALL kinds of people, simply found something that didn't match up with the submitted documentation? I'm pretty sure they also went after so-called 'liberal' groups and individuals too. In fact, the IRS is probably one of the more unbiased agencies out there when it comes to doing their job. They don't care WHO you are, if you fit their criteria or have any 'red flags' they will audit you. Anyone asking for tax-exempt status has to assume they will recieve special scrutiny. and anyone recieving large donations (as I'm sure these groups did, since they were new and had enthusiastic supporters) has to assume that the donors might be looked at a little more closely if there was anything wrong on their end.

This is yet another lost opportunity to bring attention to a serious problem, in favor of another carefully scripted clown show! The attention was ON this issue, it was having it's '15 minutes of fame'! This was the GOLDEN MOMENT when they had everybody's attention, and some REAL reforms could have been pushed through with popular support. Instead, the pearl-clutchers will be appeased by burning the "witch" du jour, and the IRS will continue exactly as before. The opportunity to get some of that agency's leaders up there and question them was lost. The opportunity to expose and question their tactics, etc, and to redefine their role and get them on a leash was lost. But Lois Lerner, who isn't necessarily innocent, is the one that gets tied to the stake, as a proxy-sacrifice for all the others, and 'the people' consider it a done deal, and move on to something else. Where the people will repeat the same mistakes, and end up sacrificing some other poor slob or slobs to bring closure to another mess of their own making. And so on.

They do this with every damned issue of any importance. Don't take my word for it, look for yourselves. Every time a major issue arises, it is derailed by some group or groups that speaks or acts in such a way as to get everybody all riled up about something else, and the original purpose is lost. It takes the 'steam' out of the movement. Look what happened to the Tea Party, look what happened to Occupy Wall Street...both coming right after 2008, and they both were attracting large numbers of pissed-off people. TPTB took one look at that mob and knew this was one of those times that the people COULD actually get together on something big that had fucked them both, and they infiltrated the groups that were getting popular, driving them so far into the opposite extremes of crazy-town that they would NEVER have the numbers to defeat them. And they 'up' the nastiness to ensure that the sides have too much bad blood between them to cooperate.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:02 | 4742222 Buckaroo Banzai
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Can't disagree with your logic here. But you have to admit, there is something especially heinous about the "thoughtcrime" aspects of this latest flavor of federal abuse.

I find the people who populate these agencies (FBI, IRS,ATF, OSHA, etc.) to be the real villains. It takes a special kind of shit-heel to follow these orders. Not exactly sure how they are different from the rank-and-file thugs of the Nazi, Stalinist, or Maoist regimes.

How do they look themselves in the mirror every morning?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:16 | 4741560 Bemused Observer
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"When the IRS was targeting conservative groups seeking tax exempt status for special scrutiny"

You mean they scrutinize you when you ask for an exemption? Wtf? What business do THEY have, looking at my finances when I ask them for a special exemption from paying taxes? What is this, Nazi Germany?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:21 | 4741577 libertysghost
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Not sure you understood the information...when did the donors ask for any special exemption?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:22 | 4741755 Bemused Observer
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Did they ask for tax exempt status?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:47 | 4742046 ltsgt1
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Donors donate to the organization which ask for tax exempt status. Donors DO NOT and CANNOT ask for tax exempt status.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:19 | 4741568 FreeNewEnergy
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Corruption? Here in America?

I'm shocked!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:28 | 4741591 Tegrat
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Bad guv posts dont get the hits they used to. ZH^H^H...terians just hate corporations. Corrupt gov employees who would be on welfare otherwise talk just doesnt piss people off like it used to.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:32 | 4741602 Bemused Observer
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I'm thinking that asking for an exemption will probably trigger an audit. That would be my guess. And since the extra scrutiny seems to have happened after certain documents requested were recieved, I'll go out on a limb and say these folks probably were missing one or two in their return packets, hence the extra attention. The Tea Party is fairly new, and this is probably only the first few times they've done these taxes. Most of the other groups have been at it awhile, and know what shit they have to send.

By focusing on some sort of "conspiracy" against the Tea Party, we're NOT having the conversation about IRS overreach in general. Like SO MANY other conversations we haven't HAD because of the Tea Party...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:55 | 4741676 sschu
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Yes, except the government admitted they target conservative groups.

IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election

Nice try.  Troll.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:53 | 4741861 luckylogger
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I know of a small group that had very little funding and 100% got audited, they all freaked out , massive intimidation. Three ended up in bankruptcy. I think because they just took irs's word for what they owed.... 

Very sad that we live in a country where they say we have free speach and then they destroy your life if you don't agree with the faggots in power.

Next they will want our guns or something....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:37 | 4741623 andrewp111
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I wonder how the audit rate correlates with the size of the donations?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:05 | 4741699 I Write Code
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Probably pretty well, but I'd guess that what they'd do is to build a pool of donors and then score them as for normal audit priorities, with the donation size as one more factor. 

I'd also like to hear what the *results* of those audits were, and also if the success (or failure) rate of these special audits was included in overall audit productivity.  If they were excluded from these normal procedures, then things stink even more.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:41 | 4741813 Spumoni
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Well, seems that the smart thing is to stop giving money to politicians and their constantly-begging-for-three-more-dollars bullshit. Waste of money anyway - all it does is buy new shoes for Carlyle parties.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:18 | 4741742 rosiescenario
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Actually, I was wondering if anyone actually believed the 10% figure??

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:43 | 4741635 roadhazard
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After the ho hum/disparaging attitude of the right wing to OWS protests and the OWS assassination revelation I could care less. What goes around comes around... "bitches."

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:32 | 4742155 nmewn
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Try to take some "affirmative action" on the rapists & thieves (along with the kumbaya speaking collectivist-statist-supplied-tenured college professors) in your midst and maybe you'll be taken seriously next time.

You do know the college profs were laughing at your silly ass living in a tent when they got back to their private homes, poured themselves a drink & jumped in their pools...right?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:18 | 4744229 roadhazard
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You must like to see yourself in print. From here it's, blah, blah, blah as always with wingers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 19:47 | 4741646 SmittyinLA
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No nation can "vote out" a criminal government, the govt wont let you.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:42 | 4741657 Mr. Ed
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Heard by a fly-on-the-wall in IRS strategy meeting:

"Okay guys, here's how were gonna handle all this FairTax (HR25) talk:
We need to distract the public's attention from the unconstitutional crap we've been pullin for the last hundred years - you know, like violating the 4th and 5th amendments, imposing levies and liens on people without due process and then leaning on them ... and how the FairTax ends that kinda stuff; and, especially the fact that we also don't collect tax very efficiently while we're doin it!

So this is what we do:
1. we misbehave by targeting conservative exempt status applicants for 'special treatment' - heh heh,
2. we "forget" to destroy sensitive records we find in the process (then arrange for it to be discovered) to reinforce the political angle on what we're doin,
3. we do other stuff that's just over the line along the partisan politics angle,
4. then, we help our buddies on the House Ways and Means commitee look reeeaally tough when they "call for an investigation",
5. we hope and pray that this HR25 talk gets drowned out in the process... the FairTax could end our way of life here at the agency and leave all our friends and cohorts in the tax industrial complex out on the street without a job!

I want this FairTax talk drowned out COMPLETELY!  So... get out there and start MISBEHAVIN!!!"


.Folks, it's the FairTax.  Read about it.  Talk about it.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:44 | 4741820 Seize Mars
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Sorry bro. Nobody is entitled to my labor. There is no "fair tax."


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4741879 Mr. Ed
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The  FairTax does not tax your labor.


Learn more about it.  It'll take a little bit of your time, but it's worth the effort.  This is a good place to start

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:05 | 4742229 Buckaroo Banzai
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I'd say this is a very believable scenario you are painting here.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:10 | 4741717 I need Another Beer
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IRS Audited Tea Party Donors Ten Times More Often Than Regular Americans

Thats only because Regular Americans are fools. Tea Party people are informed Patriots which make them dangerous to the regime

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:17 | 4741738 Mr. Ed
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"Now that's the sort of comment we wanna hear!   Yee-haw, stir it up!!!!!"


(streaming through mind of IRS strategist..... while reading ZH)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:43 | 4741817 Spumoni
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Maybe the rank and file are informed patriots. The leadership are stupid fucking idiots who know nothing about governance.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:17 | 4741740 rosiescenario
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On the one hand you have the IRS collecting the $$$$ and on the other you have our "elected" officials spending it according to what various special interest groups demand.


....and on the 'third hand' you have your average taxpayer who is paying the tax but who is truly not represented by any "elected" official.


This situation has a certain historic ring to it....taxation without representation.



Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:19 | 4741745 VWAndy
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The government has shit lists. Duh.

 They cannot make this right. Conflict of interest.

Lois should have been locked up for pleading the fifth on the spot. Duty bound?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4741768 Mr. Ed
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"Now, get REALLY, REALLY mad!!!"


(more thoughts streaming through mind of IRS strategist... while reading ZH comments)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4741774 t0mmyBerg
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solution is simple.  first congress finds lois lerner in contempt, then they roast her alive on live television on the floor of the house.  first they should find all those in cahoots with her so they can be roasted alive on live tv as well.

seriously, every motherfucker involved in using the power of the state against their political enemies should be put to death publicly.  including dear leader and his whore jarrett who are really calling the shots.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4741810 Mr. Ed
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"...uh, a little extreme, but as long as it draws attention away from this damn FairTax, it's gud, yeah, that's gud..."


(more thoughts streaming through mind of IRS strategist... while reading ZH comment section)

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:48 | 4741841 intric8
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I was thinking of having lerner recieve a physical beating in front of a webcam for all to see, but if you want to burn her alive, please proceed.

the hard part to swallow is even if they throw the book at her, others in on the scheme will skate, going straight up to obozo himself.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:07 | 4741924 Mr. Ed
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"okay... the conspiracy angle is good."

"...gets people chasin their tails... that's good"


("IRS strategist reaction.... generally pleased with comments seen on ZH")

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:43 | 4741816 DarthVaderMentor
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It's going to be interesting to see which scandal finally brings down this administration if the Republicans win the Senate majority and keep the House majority in November. The race is on between "Fast and Furious", the Benghazi cover-up, the IRS, and now the VA "death lists" and who knows what else this incompetently led and managed, politically biased crowd has done. There's probably a few hiding in Obamacare and the EPA!

In the spirit of the Tea Party donors being audited, has anyone checked to see if the VA death lists were composed of only Republican veterans?

I'd crudely state that the GOP has a "Nixonian hard-on" to make Obama depart his office in the same way as Nixon did and if they win in November you might just see that happen, heaven help us even if Obama does deserve it.


Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:45 | 4741824 Spumoni
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Yeah, but Karl Rove still has his mouth all over it.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:03 | 4741904 samsara
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Yes and the Gambino's were happy when the Genovese's lost a couple thugs.

BUT one was no different than the other. Both broke kneecaps if the little guy didn't pay.

Left vs Right is a mug's game

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:46 | 4743079 notadouche
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Forget the notion of this administration getting brought down.  First that's just looking back and not forward which will not do any good other than distract and polarize even more than what exist today.   Secondly, in Nixon's case the press had a hard on for him.  Unless and until the mainstream press gets a hard on for a president then you will never get traction.  

The only way you get an administration that even remotely acts with caution towards running roughshod over the system, the people, the universe is when the press takes an honest approach towards a president's record of action and also an opposing party is in place in Congress.  With a complicit press the politics of America will be what it will be.  The pen is mightier than the sword only when it's a collection of pens with integrity, objectivity willing to engage in investigative journalism that has long been lost.   You won't likely see a "Pentagon Papers" situation anytime soon, unless it's a president that the NY Times and the Washington Post along with CBS, NBC, ABC take an objective view of where they neither blindly support or blindly oppose.  

I suppose the bottom line is that the "free" press has lost the people as it pertains to integrity and trustworthiness, only having their "disciples" that are willing to believe what is printed or aired as they view the world through the same lens.  A narrative they agree with and questioning is never considered.  The decay of the media is, to my mind is the real tipping point of the decay of american politics and american society and we are all just circling the bowl now and could be for some time as a toilet bowl this large can circle longer than a lifetime before the real turning point comes.   Yellow dog journalism, once prevalent, then stomped out is alive and well and is the worst thing that can happen to a societ.   I suppose journalist are only human and when they realized they were being tracked, taped, followed and the all important "access" was threatened or worse the few that were reporting truths were effectively silenced and anyone else learned their lessons much like the lesson learned when "heads on a spike" of the King's enemies decorated the road leading into the kingdom.  Message received.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:50 | 4741852 yrbmegr
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Because they're billionaires paying no taxes.  Duh!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:11 | 4741935 22winmag
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Why bother harassing the Tea Party [bowel] movement?


It's little more than a notion. A gaggle of opprtunistic politicians, soaked in money and oil, pretending that significant and genuine change could be accomplished within an *irreversibly* corrupt system.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:12 | 4741941 NoWayJose
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The IRS is so powerful they might even get Al Capone...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:24 | 4741981 goznrlpn
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So were they audited after donating, or before?

I'd guess the best way to encourage donations to anti-tax groups is to audit people...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:49 | 4742371 Mr. Ed
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"Now, the House Ways and Means Oversight Committee is demanding that the Government Accountability Office investigate the IRS..."  ???

Investigation schmegmagation!

This is Manipulation of the Masses 101:  when something unpleasant  or dangerous to those in power comes into view, throw a dogbone in the other direction for conspiracy theorists to chase and chew on.

For the first time in its history, the IRS faces an enemy powerful enough to end its existence.  The FairTax (HR25) is extremely well researched legislation that is practical and offers many advantages to our country's citizens and its economy.

And after 10 persistent years of effort, the FairTax (aka HR25) has finally made its way to the House Ways and Means Committee for discsussion.

So what are you gonna do if you're the IRS or one of their cohorts in the Tax Industrial Complex?

Create a huge distraction!  Give every commenter and his dog something juicy to gripe about.  Get people to say horrible things about the IRS... and the ever-popular "Powers that Be".  Give really, really crafty commenters a chance to air their most clever conspiracy theories!  Yeah BABY!!!!  We all hate the IRS, right???

Apparently not.  Someone brings up the one thing (HR25, the FairTax legislation) that could, in short order, because it is before Ways and Means, end the IRS, and what do you hear? 


It seems, either commentors on this forum love the IRS because it gives them something to complain about, or this forum has been overrun by trolls from the Tax industrial Complex.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:18 | 4742490 Nick Jihad
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Dude, you just posted a link to ThinkProgress. Seriously?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:35 | 4742581 Arthur Schopenhauer
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My apologies, Nick.  I honestly wasn't aware ZH was a haven where only conservatives are allowed.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:20 | 4742495 sylviasays
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Sure, it sounds plausible that Obama, Reid and Pelosi ordered the IRS to target progressive groups?  


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:08 | 4742957 overmedicatedun...
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arthur, hope your feelings did not get hurt, now buck up, try to reason with those who do not agree, I know , I know it's unkind and unfair, but at ZH we want anyone progressive or conservative, communist or libitarian, to have big boy pants on.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 04:58 | 4742661 shouldvekilledthem
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Another reason for using crypto currencies.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:03 | 4742701 deerhunter
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A good portion of my labors rewards,  ie wages,  went to the IRS for over 20 years while I was in my prime earning years.  I was a 1099 worker.  Therefore I paid over 12 percent for SS and then my federa. , state and local income taxes.  As I mailed checks for multiple thousands of dollars to the Feds every quarter I would wonder out loud why I did this without voicing a peep of protest.  See,  I am a quiet one.  I am a 58 year old who has worked since age 12 summers and full time since 18. I raised three girls who are now all married and gainfully employed.  I own a home,  pay the mortgage,  pay the tolls,  pay the real estate taxes,  pay the gas tax on the 3000 miles a month I drive while running my business,  pay if I should turn right without coming to a full stop at a red light and pay the 100 traffic camera fine.  See I am a quiet one and I like most 50 plus males in this country have always "done the right thing" and paid quietly.  I lost a state job as a game warden due to affirmative action.  OK?  I was hit and run by a drunk driver at the age of 19 and lost a job as a meat cutter in a small shop as I couldn't work with 6 cracked ribs. I couldn't lift quarters of beef.  I picked apples that fall to pay my rent.  Cracked ribs on a ladder and a 40 lb picking bag of apples.  A quiet one.  We now have state police at freeway exits checking people for seat belt violations.  State cops making 80 plus k a year and retiring at age 50 with great pensions and health care for life.  They are armed better than many soldiers in WWII.  I pay their wages to pull me over with threat of force so they can ticket me 100 dollars for no seat belt.  Yet,  last night in Chicago 11 people shot between 9 and midnight.  Where are the police there? One day,  we,   the quiet ones,  the baby boomers everyone blames for our country's ills,  will have had enough.  Beware the quiet ones.  When they blow,  you won't see it coming.  Enough already.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:06 | 4742821 BigJim
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Yeah. Right. The quiet ones... having spent their entire lives feeding the system... are suddenly going to have a change of heart and become Rambo.

People put up with serfdom now for the same reason they always have - because they prefer putting up with daily humiliation rather than risk being maimed or killed, or run the very real risk of seeing their family come to harm.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:57 | 4743117 Loucleve
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Beware the fury of the patient man.

John Locke.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:04 | 4742947 esum
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ADOLPH OBAMA  and  HEINRICH HOLDER  running a libtard thugocracy with a dash of racist chip on shoudler and commie muslim tendencies....totally ignoring ALL LAW..... PURE AMERIKANA BOYS AND GIRLS ....... HOPE AND CHANGE JAMMED UP YOUR ASS....

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