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"New Russia" - Is This What East Ukraine Will Soon Look Like?

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As "The Russian Spring" spreads across various sub-regions of current non-Russian sovereign nations, Russian historian Sergey Lebedev warns that Transdniestria is “the first liberated part of Novorossiya,” Putin’s term for what he sees as a new state spreading across Ukraine into Moldova and perhaps beyond... here is what that region will look like... welcome to Novorossiya, or as one would translate it... New Russia.

 

 

As InterpreterMag believes,

Lebedev’s article highlights two directions of Putin’s policies, both of which should be of concern not only in the region but in Europe and the West more generally.

 

On the one hand, to the extent that Transdniestria is a model for some putative Novorossiya, it presents a very ugly picture.

 

Transdniestria under its breakaway government has been one of the most repressive places in the former Soviet space and has a thoroughly criminalized government that has been prepared to sell off the enormous arms cache there left over from USSR times to all and sundry, including terrorist groups.

 

And on the other, it underscores that Putin’s plans are far broader than Ukraine and involve a thrust into the Balkans. Were Transdniestria to be taken from Moldova and annexed to Russia, that would almost certainly lead to the collapse of the Moldovan state, the unification of part of it with Romania, the federalization of that country, and the extension of a Moscow-sponsored arc of instability into the Balkans.

 

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Sanctions are not enough to “change Putin’s calculus,” as even American officials are beginning to acknowledge. And given the dangers that allowing him to move even further west into Moldova and beyond would inevitably entail, the time to contain and then reverse what he is doing is now.

Meanwhile Victoria Nuland, giving testimony in the house... was not backing down...

  • NULAND CITES UKRAINE'S `PERNICIOUS CANCER OF CORRUPTION'
  • NULAND SAYS NATO `DOUBLING DOWN' ON LAND, SEA, AIR PRESENCE
  • NULAND SAYS RUSSIA SANCTIONS SHOULD AIM AT `FORWARD' INVESTMENT
  • NULAND SAYS PUTIN WILL SEE SECTORAL SANCTIONS AS DETERRENT
  • NULAND SAYS RUSSIANS BUYING FEWER LUXURY GOODS IN EU
 

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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:47 | 4740388 timeless21
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New Old Russia

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:01 | 4740446 SafelyGraze
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the territorial gains shown on that map are pretty impressive

but frankly pretty modest when compared to the increases in northern mexico

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:06 | 4740466 shankster
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Mexico will soon claim Houston as it's newest city.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:11 | 4740484 Vampyroteuthis ...
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It is already too late for San Antonio......

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:18 | 4740514 power steering
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they can keep Ron Paul

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:30 | 4740562 BlindMonkey
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Troll bastard. Take a hint from the bankers and find a picturesque building to fling yourself from. You know you want too.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:38 | 4740590 linniepar
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New Russia same as the Old Russia. Well, not really.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:51 | 4741855 A Nanny Moose
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Last time Russia consisted of principlalities and city-states, the Mongols spun through it like a tasmanian devil...IIRC.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4741984 TwoShortPlanks
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The Rabbit Hole

Another shameless blog by TwoShortPlanks

http://twoshortplanksunplugged.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/the-rabbit-hole.html

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:22 | 4740809 power steering
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You so witty

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:10 | 4742241 angel_of_joy
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You not.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:30 | 4740846 HamRove
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Wow...See this is why I like ZH. Prompt Ron Paul defense. 

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:21 | 4740518 Ying-Yang
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Yo brah... Houston?

"Mexico will soon claim Houston as it's newest city"

Brah what yall think be the most grymest place in H-Town?

What yall know about d heart of tha SE H-city.. ha

Basically though all wards gdet doawn but from what i know and seen its 2nd 3rd and 4th be really going hard...

Homestead n acres homes be getiin down but them neighborhood aint no gutta lol them homes be all sweep up and clean DH (denvor harbor) it be lots of floods ova there bt 2nd ward go way hard jjust walk down tha strret :2cents: :2cents: but from navigation rd murdanolia (magnolia) mason park all be really getting dow lmao shyt even scardale be getting down lol but shit shouthaut to telephone to broadway..

Dont get it twisted SE got its hoods bt shit mlk, dead end lol im not even getting into all that thats like tha ocean there lmao..

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:31 | 4740564 SilverRhino
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ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER ... DO YOU SPEAK IT?????

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:17 | 4740790 Ying-Yang
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It was a Fight Club test... and you passed.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:20 | 4740801 Buckaroo Banzai
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Well played.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 16:28 | 4741033 Ignatius
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I was wondering how he was gonna dig that one out of the deep corner.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:19 | 4740799 holmes
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Does it take a lot of energy to write like an idiot?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:45 | 4742529 sylviasays
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California is Mexico's largest suburb. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:28 | 4740549 McMolotov
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I, for one, welcome our new Mexican overlords. At least they're up front with their corruption. I also like the food.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:45 | 4740630 linniepar
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Don't look at me; I voted for Kodos.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:26 | 4741196 eulah38nctatbmrtscp
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hail Ants!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:22 | 4740532 e2thex
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Does this mean they are going to update the board game RISK ?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:30 | 4740557 SilverRhino
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Damn I called that right on the money :) 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:22 | 4740806 NOZZLE
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Cool, what an O'blast its going to be driving from Belgrade to Russia and only having to cross one country to get there.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:24 | 4740819 mccvilb
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King's Gambit declined. Obama opens with a flourish,  taunts Putin with Kerry and Nuland, but these fools expose their lack of game early.

Putin refuses to get suckered into a simplistic Trojan Horse opening move; instead chooses to wait patiently while he amasses troops and weapons on the fringes, develops a plan to control the middle, attack on the flank while anticipating the West's next moves. Once Vlad understands he also employs the old KGB psychological pressure of the unknown to provoke reaction.

Suddenly it all changes when Crimea votes to rejoin Russia. Putin goes from playing the evil black pieces to the untarnished white ones both figuratively and metaphorically.

That sudden unexpected exchange wasn't foreseen by Oblunder, and now a Crimean black rook down, as each jurisdiction chooses to secede he faces the humiliation of a protracted and public emasculation of his world image. His only option now is another much bigger distraction. Send in the clowns.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 16:56 | 4741110 Alethian
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Beautiful.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:48 | 4740389 Hippocratic Oaf
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Let it happen.

Putin can do whateverthefuck he wants.

Who's gonna stand in his way?

Sanctionman obongo?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:58 | 4740437 youngman
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Both Russia nd China know this...and that is why they are spreading their wings right now....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:32 | 4740508 Jack Napier
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The real question is not who will stand in Putin's way. It's who has a gun to his back enforcing this global chess game.

If you've seen somebody's face, you can rest assured they do not make any decisions.

The West was coerced into giving Putin an excuse to move, and he was coerced into taking advantage of the opportunity. Everything else is just staging for the theatrics.

By the way, the answer lies in Basel.

You can't just replace a world reserve currency that's served its purpose without a series of events necessitating the change. People might get wise to you. The rise of the East must appear natural, not pre-planned.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:41 | 4740613 SumTing Wong
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And China has been pissing on Japan and Vietnam. If I'm Taiwan, I'm getting a little nervous...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:21 | 4740529 sessinpo
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youngman      Both Russia nd China know this...and that is why they are spreading their wings right now....

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Russia is using patience. They hold the cards. They hold the gas. And they can continue to force the West to pay Russia for Ukraine's late natural gas bills. Russia doesn't have to rush in. Even if the current pro Russian separatists get clobbered, there will always be pro Russian separatists that they can use later on. Putin isn't afraid of sanctions. Putin is waiting on another major mistep by the West.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:04 | 4740453 Lore
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THE PEOPLE can do whateverthefuck they want.  Let's remember that the status quo is NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. To wit: "a thoroughly criminalized government...prepared to [supply arms to] terrorist groups."  ...SOUND FAMILIAR?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:12 | 4740488 Confused
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They are all just acting in concert. To bad we never get to see the conductor. 

 

Internet ID by any other name:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/world/europe/russia-quietly-tightens-r...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:37 | 4740584 stuman
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"All the world's indeed a stage

And we are merely players

Performers and portrayers

Each another's audience

Outside the gilded cage"

- RUSH "Limelight" 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:42 | 4741460 RafterManFMJ
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.

He's got a problem with his power

With weapons in patrol

He's got to walk a fine line

And keep his self-control

- RUSH "New World Man"

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:39 | 4740585 stuman
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~ double post ~ 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:18 | 4740513 El Vaquero
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Yeah, I don't want to see a major war in Europe or an imperialist new Russia, but something to ponder:

 

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=800&lat=35.0072838&lng=-106.58767...

 

That is the approximate location of the one of the entrances to the Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex.  And by munitions, they mean nuclear munitions.  In other words, in the event of a nuclear exchange, you're god damned right it is going to get hit.  I set that for a ground burst, which means a lot more fallout.  Now then, let me put it this way, if an 800kt nuke, which is in the Russian arsenal, were to go off at that location, and I were looking in that direction when it went off from my home, there is a pretty good chance that I would be blinded.  I would avoid the fallout under the most likely wind conditions, but there's no telling.  If they were to do an air burst there would be less fallout, but a lot more immediate deaths and casualties. 

 

How well I would fare depends on a) where I am looking when it goes off and b) the wind direction.  Good thing fallout takes a little while to come down, and I know some seriously back back roads.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:41 | 4740889 SilverRhino
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Look on the bright side .... at least those murderous fucks in the Albuquerque Police Department get vaporized. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:45 | 4740906 El Vaquero
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LO-FUCKING-L!  I guess that's a way of looking at the situation where the glass is half full.

 

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:45 | 4740905 mccvilb
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Thanks. Bookmarked and stored next to my GMC-300E.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:49 | 4740395 Marigold
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Fuck Nuland !

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:56 | 4740429 CrashisOptimistic
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More 20th century thinking.

Eastern Ukraine is rich agriculturally (industrial thought is 20th century, it requires oil).  It is worth having for the crops.  The South and Odessa, similarly valuable and is the only port.  The Crimea is a naval base.

Ambitions for more?  Why? 

These military bullshit projections again and again and again lose sight of oil's utter and overwhelming primacy.  Civilization depends on oil.  Not territory.

Russia can have Romania and Poland and all the rest.  Those countries will beg to be annexed in a few years of cold. 

The battles are fought with the spigots.  Not with tanks.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:09 | 4740472 shovelhead
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Correction:

THEIR civilization depends on oil.

OUR civilization will depend on 5 acres and a mule.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:23 | 4740536 CrashisOptimistic
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True.

BTW folks, that map.  Ukraine's only refineries of significance are in Odessa and just east of the Dneiper Dnepropretovsk.

IOW, the west will have no fuel the EU doesn't ship in.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:27 | 4740548 cifo
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Crash, Romania is pretty independent from Russian oil and gas. Remember that during WW2 it was one of Germany's main oil supplier.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:33 | 4740572 CrashisOptimistic
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http://mazamascience.com/OilExport/

 

Select Romania.  The past is the past.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:43 | 4740594 Continue With This
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You are wrong.

 

http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/1169-prospects-fo...

Romania only imports about 30% of its gas needs. The rest comes from internal production.

 

Also you should know that Romania has more gas reserves than the UK  has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_res...

 

Romania is pretty independent energetically.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Romania

From 2004 to 2009 TerraWatts/hour imports of Romania decreased by 42%.

 

Regarding oil, you should know that Romania has the largest refining capacity in South Eastern Europe, that far exceed the domestic needs.

A lot of oil we import is refined and exort, making us a nice buck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrochemical_industry_in_Romania

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:45 | 4740633 CrashisOptimistic
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The data is from BP.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:58 | 4740705 Continue With This
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What is that supposed to mean?

That BP is lying?

You mean BritishPetroleum are just a bunch of stupid idiots that don't know anything about gas?

Just because you may not like them, doesn't mean they are not a  good source of information.

 

Probably the data is not 100% exact, but certaintly with a fidelity of 97%.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:02 | 4740690 Continue With This
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In 2012, Romania consumed more or less of 412 TerraWatt/hour, out of which 321 TWh were produced localy. That makes 76% of our electrical energy needs being produced locally.

In the following years, due to a new nuclear plant being built, probably a CANDU reactor in Transylvania, and new wind/hydro power projects coming online by 2020, Romania will become a net exporter of electrical energy.

 

Electrical energy in Romania is mostly:

  • 33 coal (which we have internally)
  • 36% hydro (fucking green)
  • 19% nuclear (we use CANDU reactors that use unenriched uranium, which we have in abundance, and also very fucking green)
  • 10% gas (70% of our nat gas need is satisfied internally)

 

So you can see that gas thermo power plant are actually not that important.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:55 | 4751451 fallout11
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Crash's point is that Romania is a net importer, not a net exporter. In other words, it won't be providing the rest of Europe much of anything.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:14 | 4740499 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The battles are fought with the spigots.  Not with tanks.

CO, to correct you. The battles are fought with tanks supplied by spigots. Land is not a renewable resource and is the most valuable thing a country can provide.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:28 | 4740830 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Eastern Ukraine is rich agriculturally (industrial thought is 20th century, it requires oil). It is worth having for the crops."

Actually, it is western Ukraine that currently has all the farmland.

http://www.ukraine.com/economy/

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:13 | 4741168 Volkodav
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Nyet...Who told you that?

west is some beets, misc other crops and woods

Vinnysta is central.

central and south are far best soils

 

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:37 | 4741233 Buckaroo Banzai
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When I said western, I guess I meant the parts that won't be under Russian control shortly. Which includes central Ukraine.

If the east has all the rich soil, why isn't it well cultivated? Why is it better known for its industrial production?

Just looking for answers here.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:00 | 4740443 Joe Davola
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Thank you, but no.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:25 | 4740541 McMolotov
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Let me again point out that probably 1 in 100 Americans knows who Nuland is. I bet half could name several members of the Kardashian clan, though. And of course, 95% know Russia "invaded" Ukraine.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:31 | 4740563 imapopulistnow
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Make that 1 in 101.  Who TF is Nuland?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:33 | 4740569 imapopulistnow
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"Fuck the EU"  Oh, THAT Nuland.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:01 | 4741125 Gavrikon
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Not even with your dick.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:56 | 4740396 Ignatius
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Jail Nuland Now

Won't solve the problem, but I'll feel better and you will too.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:57 | 4740432 yochananmichael
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you do realize that she was following Obamas policies?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 16:23 | 4740439 Ignatius
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And you think Obummer's policies are really different than Shrub's?

They don't set policy, they follow orders.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:52 | 4740408 agent default
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*NULAND SAYS RUSSIANS BUYING FEWER LUXURY GOODS IN EU

Yeah, that showed them Russians.  Gave them a real black eye.  It's not as if they are pissed at Europe and refuse to buy their overpriced bling.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:04 | 4740459 cowdiddly
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right and this hurts exactly who?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:16 | 4740505 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The oligarchs in Russia are similar to those in the US, they already own more fancy toys than they could ever use. 

Putin: +infinity

Golfing pigeon: 0

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:31 | 4740560 sessinpo
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Vampyroteuthis ...        The oligarchs in Russia are similar to those in the US, they already own more fancy toys than they could ever use. 

Putin: +infinity

Golfing pigeon: 0

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And the Golfing pegeon won't have a life of luxury after whetever mess he creates?

Your scorecard should read.

Putin:+ infinity

Golfing pigeon: + #

Citizen Peasants:  - #

The point is the Golfing pigeon still wins even if Putin wins more. But we lose.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:05 | 4740742 ebear
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No caviar or Stoli for you!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:02 | 4741129 Volkodav
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da?  so result is Russians still have their money...and Europe has more luxury junk piled up??

 

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:53 | 4740411 Big Corked Boots
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A map of 0bama's legacy.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:53 | 4740413 walküre
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Color at least parts of Moldova yellow as well.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:55 | 4740415 NDXTrader
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I really don't know what would stop Russia. The EU? bwahahahaha. They were the first ones to backpedal at the thought of toothless sanctions. The US? Does anyone really think Obama would give the order to fire on Russian troops? The only possibility of that is if the Dems are going to lose 80 seats in the House and 12 in the Senate - which is sad commentary that it's what it would take. I think the red line might be Poland? But even then I doubt it

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:00 | 4740440 CrashisOptimistic
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For God's sake . . . HE'S DRAINING $500 Billion PER YEAR FROM HIS ENEMIES, and sending them stuff they burn up immediately so that they have to beg for more.

Why in the name of God do people think he wants to use his military?  His enemies are cutting their own throats.  They are willingly giving him victory.  He has no reason to roll tanks. 

He is bleeding them dry without deploying a single troop.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:03 | 4740452 NDXTrader
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I don't disagree he could do that, but all of the Russian military on Ukraine's border and their special forces inside of it argue differently. Eventually, you need boots on the ground to take territory

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:10 | 4740478 CrashisOptimistic
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You are correct.  It does take boots on the ground to take territory.

But why take territory?  It has to have something you want.

At some point Russia and all oil exporters face the question . . . do I stop exporting to save the oil for my people or keep exporting?  When that question arrives for Russia, do you think they will include East Ukraine as the people they are saving their oil for?

East Ukraine has great agriculture.  You don't hold farmland with troops.  You hold it with no threat of warfare, because crops burn.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:17 | 4740494 NDXTrader
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Again, I don't disagree they hold all of the cards. But you could make that argument with Ukraine - and he's amassed troops just outside and inside their border. Why? You have to have a credible threat of military force. He could cut off the gas to Ukraine today and instead he's giving a lot of Russian troops a southern vacation so evidently he wants something more

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:23 | 4740535 Winston Churchill
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SoP with a rampant ,anti russian, neo nazi, regime across
the border.
You would have to be a dumbass,like you, not to in that situation.
Always try to put yourself in the other guys shoes ,instead
of ranting.Putin would be a fool not to, thats why.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:36 | 4740579 sessinpo
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NDXTrader          he's amassed troops just outside and inside their border. Why? You have to have a credible threat of military force. He could cut off the gas to Ukraine today and instead he's giving a lot of Russian troops a southern vacation so evidently he wants something more

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Apparently you missed the note that Ukraine if behind in its natural gas payments of over $3 billion.  But the West is going to give Ukraine money so they can pay Putin. So why invade, while you can continue to blackmail the West? Just sit back and wait for the West to make some major mistep before you invade. Mean while you sit back and collect the money.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:58 | 4740950 ebear
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"he's amassed troops just outside and inside their border. Why?"

Not sure about the "inside" part, but it's fairly simple to understand from a military perspective.

1. force opponent to spread his resources, rather than concentrate them in breakaway regions, thus indirectly supporting breakaway elements.

2. present opponent with formidable multi-front challenge, thus undermining confidence, both in the field and the war room.

3. Prepare to resist incursions (however unlikely)

4. Readiness to invade should all other means to achieve goals fail.

On that last note I'll mention a fundamental principle of waging war:  Fight your enemy only until he surrenders, after which treat him with dignity and humanity.

The Kiev govt. violated that principle (Trade Union Massacre) for the entire world to see.  It may intimidate civilians, but that sort of brutality only hardens the resolve of professional soldiers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:48 | 4740647 hyperbole2000
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Up yours ya yellow bellied bag licking opportinist. If Russia touches a signatory to the NATO treaty expect an immediate response with fuel-air and neutron bombs escalating to MIRVS. Better dead than red. Red not = Commies. Red = Russian Ogliarchs bent over for Putin's KGB tactics.

Our Ogliarchs are way less $^$, d up then their  Ogliarchs.

Save the universe, stop the Red from the contaminating the universe though the eventual space colonization. Let the next dominant species to evolve take a crack at it.

There is a finite limit to the number of evolutionary cylces before the sun fries the planet so lets no be to hasty.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:41 | 4740887 Cthonic
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Defeat the vile red falcon and save the universe much?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 16:21 | 4741000 August
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>>>I really don't know what would stop Russia.

Putin is playing the long game - to persuade Europe, or at least greater Germany, to see their logical future as partners of resource-rich Russia, rather than as vassals to the Anglo-American finance empire. 

Militarily, Russia's borders could easily be extended to the lower Danube, but if such a move alienates the remainder of central Europe, the territory gained is simply not worth it.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:53 | 4740416 Son of Captain Nemo
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Maybe?... Maybe Not?!!...

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140508/189675296/Forces-in-US-Push-for-Standoff...

Ukraine National Actions May. 9-26 endorsements (list in formation):

Call for Emergency Antiwar Actions – May 9 to May 26

US/NATO war moves in Eastern Europe, the Black Sea, and the Baltic Sea – the borders of Russia – are a danger to the whole world. Positioning destroyers and missiles, scheduling war games, and imposing sanctions (an act of war) risk wider war. 

We are deeply disturbed by the expansion of the U.S.-commanded NATO military alliance and U.S. recognition and speedy grant of billions in loans to a right-wing coup government in Ukraine, which overthrew the elected government. This illegal government has used fascist violence against all forms of peoples’ resistance in Ukraine. 

 

We must make our voices heard. 

The time to act is now! 

We need jobs, health care and social services, not another war.

We urge nationally coordinated antiwar actions across the U.S. and internationally - protests, vigils, teach-ins, antiwar resolutions and visits to offices of elected officials.


National and International groups:

United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC)
International Action Center
Code Pink
ANSWER Coalition
U.S. Peace Council
Veterans For Peace
Alliance for Global Justice,
BAYAN, USA
Black Agenda Report
International League for Peoples Struggles,
Mobilization to Free Mumia Abu-Jamel
May 1 Worker & Immigrant Rights Coalition,
Lynne Stewart Defense Committee
Colectivo Honduras USA Resistencia,
Pakistan USA Freedom Forum,
Fight Imperialism Stand Together - FIST,
People's Power Assembly
People's Organization for Progress
WarIsACrime.org
The Move Organization
International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamel

Individual signers:

Ramsey Clark
Medea Benjamin
David Swanson
Ray McGovern
Margaret Kimberley, Black Agenda Report
Suren Moodliar, Massachusetts Global Action & Green shadow Cabinet
Bishop Filipe Teixeira – OFSJC – CCA
Steve Gillis – Vice Pres. USW local 8751 Boston school Bus Union
Leila Zand, Fellowship of Reconciliation

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:00 | 4740444 SmittyinLA
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uh oh the Commie rent-a-mob is upset  

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:10 | 4740482 Son of Captain Nemo
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Why Smitty still in LA?...

I thought you grabbed your "blue helmet" a month ago and was already knee deep in the "green pastures" of Ukraine stirring up trouble!

Nice job last week on that government building you burned down with the people inside that were first either shot, raped or strangled to death pregnant or otherwise!

You Zionist Jews certainly take your job of "Jihad" seriously! 

Give Adam Gadahn "Pearlman" our best wishes...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:48 | 4740645 Telemakhos
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That's.  Wow.

Holy shit, they got the Vice President of the Boston School Bus Union to sign on to The Cause.

If that's not the final nail in the Military Industrial Complex' coffin, the surely the Green Shadow Cabinet of Massachusetts' stern disapproval of economic sanctions will finally put the stake through Deep Government's heart.

And, sure, Mumia Abu-Jamal might still be in jail despite thirty years of "Free Mumia" groups fervently wishing away things like "evidence" and three "eye-witnesses," as The Man likes to call the tools of oppression, but I'm sure it's heartening to the equally-innocent people of eastern Ukraine to know that they're next in line for the same sort of help from not just one but two "Free Mumia" groups.

There was a time when the FBI kept lists of agitprop and infiltrator groups.  I doubt they even bother with most of the list of "National and International Groups" against the Ukrainian whatever-it-is-that-they're-against: not because the party in power in the White House and DOJ at the moment happens to pretend to be friendly towards some of those groups, but because none of those groups have any relevance on the political or media landscape.  Most of them don't even make the local news, let alone the national, when they do anything.  They have zero impact.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:09 | 4740756 Son of Captain Nemo
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T.

Lets hope this brain dead Country gets on the stick post haste given images like these!

I just provided a very terse response to UNAC asking them what the fuck took them so long...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:49 | 4742434 StychoKiller
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Man, hope they got some rockets left after that!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:37 | 4740871 kurt
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Should they use hand grenades?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:54 | 4740417 ebworthen
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That map looks about right, though it might be all of Ukraine before it's over.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 20:25 | 4741760 Atticus Finch
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Or all of Eastern Europe if banks keep fucking every country they touch.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:55 | 4740420 Spungo
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This is madness. Next we'll start creating New England and then New Mexico.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:56 | 4740423 SmittyinLA
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arc of instability?

 

Is US spending sustainable?  EU spending? Greek spending? 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:20 | 4740526 gcjohns1971
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Chinese spending?

Russian spending?

'Oh Kettle!" said Pot, "Thou art so black!"

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:37 | 4740582 trembo slice
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I don't think the article is referencing spending habits.  Rather, claiming that Russia's actions are creating instability within the region (politically).  Like the US invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan... you know, Kettle, you're black.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:56 | 4740425 fauxhammer
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All hail Mother Nudelmanistan!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 13:58 | 4740438 JuliaS
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Cut Ukraine from the Black Sea and they're a basket case.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:05 | 4740464 Winston Churchill
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Already a basket case, which is why Vlad don't want it.
Pass the parcel with a time bomb.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:02 | 4740454 sangell
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Somebody or agency ought to put a bullet in Putin's bowling ball shaped head tomorrow. Be a like cheaper than having to destroy his nation....again!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:09 | 4740476 tony wilson
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sangell why the hate what happened to yer darlin?

did a russian anally rape you once or sumtin : )

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:39 | 4740600 Winston Churchill
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Is that you Bill O'Reilly ?.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 16:54 | 4741106 Volkodav
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Nyet, but he obviouslly learned obnoxious from him...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:04 | 4740460 STG5IVE
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Ukraine deploys 15,000 troops to Russian border, NATO beefs up forces in E. Europe – Moscow http://on.rt.com/ou6jj5
Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:33 | 4740568 Volkodav
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Ukraine doesn't likely have any remaining 15K troops in real.

There is somebody else in many of those uniforms.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:07 | 4740462 tony wilson
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forget about that shit

WHAT ABOUT ANGELINA JOLLY WHAT ABOUT OBARMIES TRANSGENDER WIFEY

today they say give us are girls back save the stolen school girls it gone viral innit

 

sas,mi6,navy seals and cia all gone to africa to help the school girls

rothschild psy op for more pivot afric

 

 

childrens beware the creepy child lovin gorge clooney

watch out for vampyre angelina pitt jolly

they are both agents of nato and satan

let us also not forget matt demon and dat bono jewish oirish fella.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:14 | 4740496 Spastica Rex
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Aren't they all members of the Film Actors Guid?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:07 | 4740467 NoWayJose
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As a citizen of one of the most currently repressive places that has a criminalized government (and banking system), why should I care about Transdniestria - which is alledged to be one of the most repressive places that has a criminalized government?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:46 | 4741260 Atticus Finch
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Yep, sounds just like home-sweet-home.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:08 | 4740468 sbenard
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Stalin would be proud!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:35 | 4740575 CharlieMike
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Of whom the US or Russia?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:29 | 4740839 blindman
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the fed and the imf.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:08 | 4740470 John McCloy
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   Wait you mean the puppet US/EU/NATO regime not only does not get to enroach closer to Russia but get none of the along thing that matter...COASTLINE? 

     No longer matters Russia will have all of Ukraine within 2-4 years likely.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:13 | 4740493 gcjohns1971
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Russia will have to take all the coastline to prevent inbound Azeri or Turk pipelines from entering Europe there.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:41 | 4740610 John McCloy
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  Do not see why they cannot just go through Greece? 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 18:50 | 4741490 Escapedgoat
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They are already doing that.

The Foreign colobarators (Prime Minister, former Gap and all that Brothel called Greek Parliament are in the pockets of the Banksters)

It is called the TAP Oh ! and Greece is under occupation with NO FEES for the passing through of the Pipeline. Military confrontation is already planned to annex the North of Greece later this Year (I hope Not)

The are Sociopaths alright.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:43 | 4741252 Atticus Finch
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I just had a surprising thought. With the US/NATO surrounding Russia and China with missiles and destabilizing societies around the world, could it be that they are so distracted by their Grand Chessboard strategy that Russia reclaims Eastern Europe as blow back?

That would fall under the category,Oops.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:09 | 4740474 CHX
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Might as well color Moldova yellow too, they will not stay far behind.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:16 | 4740759 Continue With This
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Why?

 

75% of Moldova are ethnic Romanians.

Do you even know anything about Moldova?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:21 | 4741180 CHX
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If I'm not mistaking I recently read that there was talk/ideas about a referendum to join Russia similar as they did in Crimea, and that "many" were pro-russia. Can't give you a link, so that's all there is to it. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:52 | 4742300 Continue With This
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You are confusing Moldova with the breakaway region of Transnistria.

Transnistria is a small separatist region in eastern Moldova.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TransnistrianRegionMap.png

On the link I posted above, the red patch of land is Transnistria.

Transnistria is not recognized by any UN nations. Yes, China and Russia, do not recognize this separatist patch of land..

It's like eastern Florida becoming New United Cuba Republic, but no nation recognizing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:12 | 4740480 mrblah
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Personal note to Mr Putin;

You can have the rest, but please leave Lviv alone...until July. I intend to go there and make sexy time with a local in June.

Post-having my way with her, take it...if you desire.

Like Ukraine, I will forever be in your debt.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:42 | 4740614 gcjohns1971
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I had a girlfriend from Lvov.

We both had high hopes until my job dragged me away.

I  hope her family is well.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:11 | 4741161 mrblah
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Hello GCJohns,

While there was a sense of amusement in my post, in reality I too have been seeing the lady I speak of for a while.

From what she tells me, thus far they have had very little trouble.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:15 | 4740502 wagthetails
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i think Russia is on to something, the US needs to get in land grab game!!  i vote to take the Baja Peninsula. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:18 | 4740515 gcjohns1971
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They are:

Nevada, California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:54 | 4740687 zaphod42
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Baja first, then Newfoundland.

 

Craig

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:17 | 4740506 gcjohns1971
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New RUSSIAN LAW punishes criticism of Russian Military (past or present) under rubric of "Whitewashing Naziism"

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140508/189672188/Putin-Warns-of-Growing-Milita...

 

Am I the only one who senses the irony?

Am I the only one who senses that all criticisms of military actions past and present are not related of themselves to Naziism past or present?

Strip the title and what does this law do for Russian citizens?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:27 | 4740546 shovelhead
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No rope-dragging Stalin statues.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:28 | 4740812 earleflorida
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senjinkun_military_code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD

These are just two examples how Germany, Russia, and Japan during WWII killed off their own POW's!

The troops of Hitler's armies, not of German desent were always put at the front line as were chinese nationalist, korean, in Japan's Kanto Army in China.

Stalin and Hitler in paticular would kill their own troops for surrendering, but the Jap's would just cut their heads off without blinking an eye. This code. be it sectret or written was gospel.

Once Hitler was done with his eartern europe conquest, he aspired to rid the planet of all Slavic's, and Orientals! Stalin was Asian, so he declined, but rather enslaved them?!?

Japan also would have rid the world of a White Europeans in the same matter. Especially the America's via accentuating, Autarky!!!

Mao, was no different, also... later on during 1945-49 final chinese civil war!

jmo  

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:37 | 4741231 Atticus Finch
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Psychopaths all. Lucky us.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:17 | 4740510 Savvy
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I'm still not quite clear on exactly what Russia has done. Anyone?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:52 | 4740672 zaphod42
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"exactly what Russia has done."

 

Acted in their own national self interest, of course.

 

Craig

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:13 | 4740772 unplugged
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ditched the $US, like Iraq tried to do, like Libya tried to do ....

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:20 | 4740527 shovelhead
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Me and Simon Black are gonna open a beachfront titty bar in the Crimea.

Ain't nobody gonna fuck with the bouncers.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:29 | 4740554 walküre
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I guess, Angie will not be happy about this. Needless to say, there won't be elections on May 20th.

FAIL

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:39 | 4740556 Son of Captain Nemo
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Let's hope we have time to protest.

I think we're way past the "Cold" at this point!

When this and maybe this

lead to...

False Flagin!

Because after all we are that fucking desperate!!!

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:39 | 4740571 Itchy and Scratchy
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Anything more sickening than the sight of a manipulative finger pointing Asst Sec of State Victoria (F.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan taunting those that SHE antagonized & angered from behind the comfort & safety of the biggest bully on the block? Sure wud be nice to see that satanical soul hangin' in the town square!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:35 | 4740576 syntaxterror
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Alaska is ripe for the taking too with Blowjob Barry at the helm.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:37 | 4740587 Life of Illusion
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Link up new ownership,,,

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/kerch-bridge-to-crimea-may-become-russias-link-to-the-east/499527.html

Russian industry analysts said Monday that possible involvement of Chinese companies in building a bridge from mainland Russia to Crimea was a solid political and business option in solving the key transportation challenge faced by the Kremlin after absorbing the peninsula.

State-owned China Railway Construction Corporation, or CRCC, may build the 4.5-kilometer automobile and rail bridge across the Kerch Strait, partly financed by the private China International Fund, Kommersant reported Monday, citing unidentified sources in the Russian Transportation Ministry.

 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:50 | 4740661 zaphod42
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Future headline:

 

"Terrorists blow up Russia/Crimea bridge.  Putin blames CIA."

 

Must be tunnel, da?

 

Craig

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 17:32 | 4741210 Atticus Finch
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So, you think that the $5,000,000,000 should have gone to Detroit instead of to the Nazis?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:39 | 4740591 gcjohns1971
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This is like watching the, "Lord of the Rings".

 

Only instead of Sauron and the ring wraiths on one side, supported by Saruman, with Gandalf, Elrond, and the High King on the other....we have collections of Saurons and Sarumans everywhere.

I suppose I could do as most do, and simply find the closest Sauron and then declare whoever opposes him to be Elrond...

But as a strategy this seems to akin to having a strategy of "Scream and Shout, Run All About".  

PROS:  It involves a lot of noise and activity, and catharis. 

CONS:  It is totally ineffective.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:41 | 4740607 earleflorida
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'Total Bullshit!'

This article has no moar merit, than a camel putting it's nose under a Siberian Igloo!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:51 | 4740667 ThisIsBob
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Looks good to me.  I so hate lots of different colors close together on a map.  Means trouble.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:53 | 4740676 williambanzai7
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Novocunt not Nuland or Nudelman

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 14:53 | 4740680 Tracerfan
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InterpreterMag is a Khodorkovsky rag, do not believe anything you read in it unless confirmed by at least one reliable source.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:01 | 4740721 lakecity55
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Hey, it looks like what will be left of the USA! after Bath House starts a war with Russia!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:22 | 4740811 blindman
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..."The very words “Russia” and “Putin” may provoke ruling group-mind reactions pro or con, so analysis here sticks to track records, trends and policy directions – the defining past, present and future lines of system decision on both sides. What is clear now are set-point differences and shifts towards recognition of the society-destroying forces. The most visible shift has been set into motion by the overthrow of Ukraine’s elected government, big-lie pretexts and serial murders in another US-made civil chaos. But Russia has moved decisively to stop it in the historical process still unfolding.

“Global Society Destruction” and The Ukraine Crisis: Decoding its Deep Structural Meaning

By Prof. John McMurtry
Global Research, April 26, 2014
..."
The never-named enemy behind the coup and behind the collapse of evolved social and natural life systems across the planet has been blocked on the ground. Neither Putin nor Russia are a model, but like Venezuela and much of Latin America, they now stand against the invasive disorder overrunning life bases and needs in every region. The deepest issue is the US money-cancer system. In murderously destabilizing and overthrowing Ukraine’s elected government and advancing towards Russia’s borders in the latest metastasis, the pathogenic forces are now confronted by the world’s largest country, the longest-tested army and once socialist superpower. All the lies in the world cannot overwhelm this resistance. Everywhere the US-led collapse of world life security is being decoded outside corporate states and media. The Ukraine crisis, perhaps linked to Russia-China movement from the US oil-dollar, could be a new turning point against the Great Sickness of our world."
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-society-destruction-and-the-ukraine-...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 15:34 | 4740863 kurt
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I vote for:

Nudlestanabitch

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