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Where Are America's 49 Million Hungry - An Interactive Map

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As of 2012, the most recent year for which data are available, there were about 49 million Americans who, sadly, describe themselves as "food insecure," meaning they have limited access to sufficient amounts of food, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Interviews with several food banks around the country suggest things haven't really improved since then. A new report from the hunger relief charity 'Feeding America' throws the nation’s struggle with hunger into an even starker light. The report, titled "Map the Meal Gap 2014," breaks the USDA’s data down county by county, giving a more nuanced picture of food insecurity. As the Interactive report below reveals, HuffPo notes that there are 16 counties in the U.S. with more than 100,000 "food insecure" children -- a number you might expect to see in a developing country rather than the world’s wealthiest nation.




Source: Feeding America


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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:36 | 4742163 navy62802
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Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:45 | 4742179 RafterManFMJ
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"Yes, I'm 'food insecure.'

"But Ma'am, you must weigh over 300 pounds!?"

...she drives off on her Hoveround toward the WalMart McDonalds...

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:15 | 4742255 markmotive
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Welcome to the destruction of the American Middle Class

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:37 | 4742278 Manthong
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Presented without comment.

But I will say that if there are 49 million poor, hungry Americans in this sorry excuse for a nation, I will eat all of their EBT cards.

Again, the libtards in .gov are trying to play us.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:51 | 4742330 StacksOnStacks
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:43 | 4742687 negative rates
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Have you ever seen a fat hungry person? Only in America.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:43 | 4742742 blindfaith
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Your ignorance is dumbfounding.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:56 | 4742754 negative rates
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Prove it, have you seen photos of past citizens? Obesity is a modern day phenomenon, a sign of lackluster activity and a big screen mentality, you against the diehards, and in the end you both win and get your desire.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:02 | 4742761 espirit
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Let them grow, we'll need them to make bio-diesel.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:48 | 4742909 I am more equal...
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Want to see a high correlation?

Overlay the red - blue voting history on this map.

I bet you Bernakes's beard that the high hunger areas are redder than Lucille Ball's hair.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:57 | 4743119 Manthong
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Including the lice?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:20 | 4743206 GeorgeHayduke
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Modern day obesity in 'Murca does involve inactivity. However, the food people do eat is a major problem. It's high in carbs and sugars. Sugar has moved into everything sold in grocery stores. I won't even go into the sodas. The worst joke of all is the diet soda I see so many fat people, especially women, drinking obsessively. Diet soda is the worst thing you can buy in the grocery store. It's worse than rat poison.

The other thing I've noticed lately is the high rate of smokers these days. It seems every other car that pulls up next to me at a light either has two fingers holding up the holy smoking deity or has one hanging from their mouth.

Add stress, poor sleeping habits, inactivity and a total aversion to anything mentally challenging and you have the Obese States of 'Murca.

On a side note, I just love it when one of the huge women gets a great big tattoo on their calf, thigh, or my least favorite across the top of her tits, then feels the need to wear clothing that displays the big canvas of stretched and nasty cottage cheese skin 'n ink for everyone to enjoy. We currently live in the culture of shit. Enjoy!


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:59 | 4742756 espirit
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The Southern USSA appears to have the lions share of hungry.  Don't be too dumb or lazy to plant some food.

Jeez, 'merikans'.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:43 | 4743063 Shad_ow
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The three counties in central Alabama with the highest concentration of "food deficit" are all majority black.  With the high usage of EBT cards, WIC, and other government programs there it is impossible for the facts presented to be true except by choice.  There may be elderly people who are too proud to accept government assistance who have little to eat and I applaud them.  I would ask family and friends for help or go to my chuch if I were in need.  The government control is out of control.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:55 | 4743066 rqb1
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Esprit, I guess we can learn a lot from you. Maybe you should start a blog

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:06 | 4742762 SWRichmond
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Just another reliable indicator of what real inflation is in the reserve currency.  we are really the world's wealthiest nation only when measured in our own currency.  this is just another one of the truths that will be revealed when the dollar falls.  this number roughly mirrors number of people on food stamps and they're probably counting them as food insecure...but how can a nation be truly wealthy when 1/2 of her people must be paid simply to exist?  the only reason the American economy appears to be growing in GDP terms for the past 20 years or more because of deficit spending.  this isnt growth, it's a long and unsustainable government bubble.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:38 | 4742798 Its_the_economy...
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number of government workers is growing very nicely, thank you. sarc/

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:40 | 4742802 duo
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We need to stop using the "world's wealthiest country" meme.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:36 | 4742409 boogerbently
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You are ABSOLUTELY right !

No, wait a minute, I mean, how dare you imply there is any difference between the blue team and the red team !


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:09 | 4742469 thamnosma
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If it's from the Huffington Post, it just more leftist propaganda and lies designed to redistribute more funds from the productive class to the free shit brigade.  

Did anyone notice nobody in Minnesota is hungry?  

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:14 | 4742480 lakecity55
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I heard they had cannibals up there.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:06 | 4742768 GetZeeGold
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Would you like to come over for dinner? We're having fava beans and a nice Chianti......just bring your liver.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:47 | 4742530 verum quod lies
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Also, Vermont and even Massachusetts looks fairly light. Actually, as for most things, for example, crime, gun violence, insert your dysfunction ... % black and 'hispanic' and presto you have your culpret. But don't mention it as you will be called names and that is the worst thing that could happen to you. Sarc. off.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:39 | 4742801 Vampyroteuthis ...
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as you will be called names and that is the worst thing that could happen to you.

You might be called rayciss?? The horror!!!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:53 | 4742751 blindfaith
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see, if you listen and watch FOX, you would know that there are no hungry childern, America is healthy and needs no healthcare, that South Carolina should be able to bring back slavery as a State's Right, that women shold do what a man says and shut the hell up, that debt is good, that Mexicans are destroying this country, etc.. 

Gots luv FOX for seeing America as you do.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:50 | 4742810 booboo
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Fox, Koch's, The South, Fox, Koch's, The South, Fox, Koch's, The South,
Fox, Koch's, The South, Fox, Koch's, Fox, Koch's, The South,
Blah. Blah, blah, bleat, bleat bleat, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Stay asleep, that way you won't notice the ax fall.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:31 | 4743019 insanelysane
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The conservative viewpoint isn't that there are no hungry people in the US, the viewpoint is that you can take all of the money from the earners in this country, every last dime from them, and hand it to the government and you will still have hungry people in the US and you actually may end up with more hungry people in the US.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:34 | 4743252 thamnosma
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Collectivists can't grasp that concept.  Why such a totalitarian would be attracted to this website, I haven't a clue.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:36 | 4743256 thamnosma
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That pretty much sums up the repetoire of the brainwashed "progressive" supporters.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:01 | 4742699 OldPhart
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Wisconson is too fuckin cold nine months of the year...I'll just stay in Commiefornia.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:17 | 4742837 NuckingFuts
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Yep, that just the attitude we love to hear in Wisconsin. Stay where you are, don't come here it's too cold. It thins out the slackers. No offense to you, but you see my point. Brrrr..... Stay in California.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:57 | 4742755 blindfaith
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MANTHONG...humm, isn't a manthong one of those porn things that cover your cock and lets your ass hang out?  Or is it the other way around?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:36 | 4742796 Stripey Magee
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Actually both sides are playing us, it's divide and conquer. What they do is bicker over matters that in the greater scheme of things have little importance. Give them a bill to do mass spying or indefinite detention and they vote in lockstep.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:44 | 4743060 plane jain
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There is a lot of research supporting a link between stress and obesity.  Being poor is a stressor by itself.

Recent research shows that chronic stress can not only increase absolute cortisol levels, but more importantly it disrupts the natural cortisol rhythm. And it’s this broken cortisol rhythm that wreaks so much havoc on your body. Among other effects, it:


raises your blood sugar

makes it harder for glucose to get into your cells 1

makes you hungry and crave sugar

reduces your ability to burn fat

suppresses your HPA-axis, which causes hormonal imbalances

reduces your DHEA, testosterone, growth hormone and TSH levels 2

makes your cells less sensitive to insulin

increases your belly fat and makes your liver fatty

increases the rate at which you store fat

raises the level of fatty acids and triglycerides in your blood


The least expensive foods are usually high in sugar, simple carbohydrates, and low quality vegetable oils.  

Sugar and simple carbs are the easiest things for the body to store as fat.

Most vegetable oils and the fat from animals raised on corn and soy are damaging/inflammatory.  Inflammation is also linked to obesity.

Then there are those high calorie meals at McD's and such, unhealthy, cheap, and even worse if that makes up your 1 or 2 meals of the day because you live in a food desert.

Previous studies have found that meal patterns (number, duration and size of meals) can affect metabolism. Studies of both humans and animals have shown that taking fewer and larger meals promotes the gain of fat mass and can increase triglycerides, lipids and cholesterol independent of total caloric intake. Conversely, weight gain--even while overeating--can be prevented by consuming smaller, more frequent meals. Whether social stress alters the microstructure of food intake, however, was unclear. 

So I don't know why the existence of fat poor people is such a mystery. 


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:44 | 4743061 plane jain
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There is a lot of research supporting a link between stress and obesity.  Being poor is a stressor by itself.

Recent research shows that chronic stress can not only increase absolute cortisol levels, but more importantly it disrupts the natural cortisol rhythm. And it’s this broken cortisol rhythm that wreaks so much havoc on your body. Among other effects, it:


raises your blood sugar

makes it harder for glucose to get into your cells 1

makes you hungry and crave sugar

reduces your ability to burn fat

suppresses your HPA-axis, which causes hormonal imbalances

reduces your DHEA, testosterone, growth hormone and TSH levels 2

makes your cells less sensitive to insulin

increases your belly fat and makes your liver fatty

increases the rate at which you store fat

raises the level of fatty acids and triglycerides in your blood


The least expensive foods are usually high in sugar, simple carbohydrates, and low quality vegetable oils.  

Sugar and simple carbs are the easiest things for the body to store as fat.

Most vegetable oils and the fat from animals raised on corn and soy are damaging/inflammatory.  Inflammation is also linked to obesity.

Then there are those high calorie meals at McD's and such, unhealthy, cheap, and even worse if that makes up your 1 or 2 meals of the day because you live in a food desert.

Previous studies have found that meal patterns (number, duration and size of meals) can affect metabolism. Studies of both humans and animals have shown that taking fewer and larger meals promotes the gain of fat mass and can increase triglycerides, lipids and cholesterol independent of total caloric intake. Conversely, weight gain--even while overeating--can be prevented by consuming smaller, more frequent meals. Whether social stress alters the microstructure of food intake, however, was unclear. 

So I don't know why the existence of fat poor people is such a mystery. 


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:35 | 4743254 CrazyCatLady
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The people that are food insecure are people like me: in the $50,000/yr bracket.  We fall into that nice crevice that puts our purchasing power on par with a 25,000/yr single mom welfare queen.  Poor people who are fat are most definately living off a snap card, and they sure aint hungry.  It those of us caught in the middle that can barely afford to feed ourselves and put gas in the car to get to work.  Bang on the FSA all you want, but they arent the real hungries in this case.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:40 | 4742299 kchrisc
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While you keep your eye on he 300 pound lady, I still have mine on the criminal and treasonous pols and crats and their thieving bankster masters.

That big ass lady doesn't have a "thieving press" or drones.


"My guillotine says, 'See something, cut something'."

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:42 | 4742525 MrPalladium
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"My guillotine says, 'See something, cut something'."

+10,000!!! Absolutely priceless!!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:35 | 4742876 Cugel
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>That big ass lady doesn't have a "thieving press" or drones.

But she sure as hell votes for those that do.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:52 | 4742304 ACP
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Yes, exactly. The areas with the greatest 'food insecurity' are the areas with the most obesity. Didn't ZH post an obesity map before? Well, regardless, here is an obesity map:

(apparently created with raw data from the CDC here: )


Looks eeeeeeeerily familiar to the 'food insecurity' map.


Edit: Ah, here it is, I knew ZH posted an obesity map before...

Which, again, looks like the 'food insecurity' map.

I'm telling ya, gotta double check all that HuffPo bullshit...if I were a lard-ass, I would probably consider myself insecure if I didn't have 20 pounds of food to shovel in my face every day.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:00 | 4742346 TBT or not TBT
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Poor and fat go together, because carbs are cheap and uniquely fattening, as they directly stimulate the production of the most powerful fat storage hormone, insulin.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:25 | 4742390 sylviasays
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The poor aren't always fat and the fat aren't always poor. 

Now being stupid and fat might go together? 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:50 | 4742437 Never One Roach
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Look at it as 'an opportunity"....

Plus-Size Hotels Equal Big Business


"It's not a hotel just for large people. It's a size-friendly place where anyone can enjoy a holiday," said owner Jurrian Klink, a Dutchman who thought up the idea while observing the behavior of overweight guests at his former hotel.

Recent reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (search) say nearly 65 percent of Americans are overweight — 31 percent are considered obese (search). With numbers like that, it seemed imminent that a plus-size travel market would pop onto the scene — and it has.



Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:08 | 4742467 Balanced Integer
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Good Lord! The overseas tourism industry is tailoring itself to our "massive" (snerk!) population of fat-fucks.

America...Fuck Yeah?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:08 | 4742462 Balanced Integer
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That is some might fine data comparison you pulled up there, ACP. +1

So being fat and being hungry go hand-in-glove. Who knew that fat people were also hungry all the fuckin' time? (Do I need a sarc tag?)

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:43 | 4742803 Its_the_economy...
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No sarc tag needed.

Idiot tag documented.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:15 | 4742484 lakecity55
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well, hey, only eating cheetos will make you insecure...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:02 | 4742665 Serenity Now
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Don't insult Cheetos.  :)

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 04:48 | 4742656 Nexus789
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Flippant....fat does not mean healthy eating. The food these people eat is nutritionally very poor but cheap.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:54 | 4743108 Ghostdog
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All part of the plan... :) 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:38 | 4742295 Pairadimes
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America, where the rich people are thin and the poor people are fat.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4742309 TBT or not TBT
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And this also correlates with smart/stupid. A threefer. Not a lot of fat, or poor in my neighborhood or town. Over in the central valley on the other hand, holy crap.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:40 | 4742416 sylviasays
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To keep thin and svelte, the privileged wealthy in TBT or not TBT's tony coastal neighborhood can afford personal trainers, personal chefs who cook only the best organic foods, and if all else fails they can afford gastric bypass and plastic surgery?

So will Obama's socialist wealth distribution schemes put an end to the smart/stupid inequality correlation? 


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:21 | 4742497 UselessEater
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At the highest levels of TPTB they obviously source their foods, wines, medicines, vitamins etc from places we do not shop or farm e.g. Monsanto free range areas, perhaps like the Bush's property in Paraguay in lush land with clean water under ground.Must be otherwise the Soro's, Kissingers etc wouldn't live to such a long long long mentally active age.

The rest of us are "Consumers" and future clients of big pharma; I wonder if Obamacare will probably help pave the way for no insurance or care for accused lifestyle victums; we are getting hints of this in socialist Australia. No matter what products and technologies cause environmental cancer the common core science is that its the victums lifestyle. OK that a  serious factor - watch Jamie Oliver teach parents in England that toddlers eating fast food 24/7 are vomiting what they should be pooping you get a shock.

But not all is honest in science as funded/blocked by Gates and the WHO:


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:38 | 4742738 Mareka
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That looks like the same map as obesity by state.

What percentage of those who are food insecure have enough money for a cell phone, cable TV, internet service and a car ?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:08 | 4743680 Monty Burns
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I've yet to see a slender Walmartian.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:38 | 4742169 TheMeatTrapper
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Oh give me a break. There is Hunger in America Because there is Lazy in America. Most of the "food insecure" people I see have plenty of money for tattoos, nicer cars than I do and IPhones. Wonder why they have no money for food? 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:49 | 4742189 Ramesees
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The biggest health problem the poor in 2014 America have is obesity ie chronic consumption of too many calories.  That is truly shocking.  A complete reversal of the entirety of human history.    

And then I see maps like this put out by the USDA and realize that the malicious stupidity of our bureaucrats is very dangerous and may yet end this republic.  Then the poor really will know hunger.  

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:57 | 4742205 Matt
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It's not too much food, it is too much empty calories. High Fructose Corn Syrup is in everything, bread, cereal, soup, everything that isn't raw ingredients. Constant low level doses of anti-biotics also help make everyone nice and plump. Too much eating restaurant food, food with extended shelf lives, or heat-and-eat food. Not enough raw vegtables, vitamins, minerals. Stress helps, too. 

Whoever thought EBT for KFC was a good idea, is obviously on the fast food payroll and not working in the interests of the people.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:46 | 4742320 NickVegas
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No, you are wrong. The fat babies are just lazy. They need to work out more. It's not the food, it's the babies who are at fault.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:30 | 4742394 TheMeatTrapper
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I think the fat babies have stupid, lazy semi present parents. 

My son is 10 years old. I would classify 1/3 of his Little League team as nutritionally defective. Some are so fat they have a hard time waddling to first base. They can't steal a base because they are huffing and puffing and out of breathe from waddling to first. Their shirts won't stay tucked in. They have a hard time tieing their shoes so they waddle the bases with their shoes untied. 

Some are so tiny as to be almost half the size of my son, who was raised on wild game, Montanna wheat and garden vegetables. 

The kids that fit into the 'odd' category also are the ones that have 'odd' parental structures. I never seem to see their dad's at practice or games. Not sure if they have a dad. 

A lot are mixed race kids. A fat white mom, an absent black dad. Never seem to see an involved black dad and an absent white mom for some reason. 

The kids that have moms and dads who actually show up for practice and games also seem to be the most advanced, healthy, successful kids. 

The war on the family and traditional values has achieved its desired result. And it ain't pretty.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:42 | 4742419 boogerbently
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You da racis.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:48 | 4742431 NickVegas
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Not kids, babies. I hear what you are saying, but we are talking babies, fat babies, never seen before in American history.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:11 | 4742472 TheMeatTrapper
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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:13 | 4743696 Monty Burns
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A fat white mom, an absent black dad.


Are there any other kind of inter-racial 'relationships'? I'm always on the lookout for new knowledge.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:47 | 4742324 TBT or not TBT
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Too much carbs and cheap industrial vegetable oils adds up to body wide inflammation and type 2 diabetes. Bread,whether white or whole wheat, is a blood sugar high explosive. Table sugar is just as bad as HFCS, metabolically, as it is 50% fructose, which directly causes small particle LDL cholesterol, the only kind that presents a clear direct health challenge, to spike.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:26 | 4742728 OldPhart
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There was a period back in the 90's that my family was on food stamps.  I won't go into the burearucatic nightmare it was because I was a father, living at home, working and going to college at the same time.

What I will tell you is that the food stamps (even back then) were 50% more than we normally would have purchased for food.  We could buy whatever we wanted from the store as long as it was food.

We're basicallly practical people, my wife and I, and we bought the basics...and had stamps left over.  We got a welfare check, and had money left over (through extrremely difficult adjustments).

It got to the point that we didn't use a welfare check or that month's food stamps.  Really!

We recieved months at a time, duplicate welfare checks.  We knew that we had already gotten one and figured the idiot State of California had made another blundering error (like voting for Jerry Brown) and we'd shred or toss the check in the trash,

I (we) got investigated...ordered to welfare court...they said they had sent us multiple welfare checks for multiple months.  I merely said prove that any were ever cashed.  Once we had enough we had enough, we didn't abuse the system (though they abused the hell out of me!), we played by the (what we perceived as the) rules and carried on as best we could.

This experience taught me to never, EVER, take anything from any sort of government entity that puts you into potential subjugation to that entity.

I will starve to death before I submit to Welfare or Food Stamps.  I WILL fuckng kill any state social worker coming to 'check on my well-being'.  I WILL kill any uninvited State or Federal Employee who steps foot on my property without my invitation unless they have a warrant/supeona that claims harm to a natural, living person (and I'm a mild and lazy sort of guy). 

I no longer have any tolerance for goverment.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 19:41 | 4745164 FredFlintstone
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Good story, thanks for sharing!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:53 | 4742193 Western
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Wow what a shill. Even if the people you describe were 100% industrious master gardner/farmers, how can you grow tomatoes with a SWAT boot stomping on your plants?

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:00 | 4742219 Matt
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Are you using Monsanto approved seeds? Did you pay the appropriate fees? Is your garden in an area zoned for gardening? Does it fit in to your municipal and Homeowner's association guidelines? Do you have permission to use that much water? 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:09 | 4742240 TheMeatTrapper
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" can you grow tomatoes with a SWAT boot stomping on your plants?"

I manage to do that and a lot more quite well. Grow up and stop making excuses. Find a way to make yourself more independent of the system rather than using the system as an excuse to not try. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:43 | 4742283 Western
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Actually I take back my shill comment, your video is quite awesome.


In some places it's illegal to have a rain barrel and it seems cops these days are willing to shoot to kill for even a small infraction... The people in question are slaves, and slaves are not allowed to grow their own food or hunt on the land. Not everyone has a bayou in their back yard.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:50 | 4742322 TheMeatTrapper
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Let's see, I'm growing sweet potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, romain and chard. That's in three 4x4 foot square foot gardens. The taters also make copius amounts of salad greens. Great deer bait as well if you know what I mean. 

I haven't bought red meat in years. If you'll bother watching my YouTube channel you'll see that I catch meat on the side of the road, in between the lanes of the interstate, and I often get PAID to catch meat. 

You should subscribe and watch - it's free. Of course it's hard work - and that's why most people refuseto try. It has to be EASY and SIMPLE and convenient. For years I trapped out of the trunk of a well used VW Jetta. Great stealth vehicle for catching coons in the city. 

I'm an IT consultant and I make a six figure salary. I don't HAVE to spend my weekends catching snapping turtles, beavers and squirrels - but I do. 

I live in a typical suburban neighborhood. I can assure you there is more easy to catch food in suburbia than there is in most rural areas. 

I have a $1.99 one hour long "Learn to Trap" video on my webite at It pays for my web hosting fees and domain name. 

If there is anyone here that cannot afford the price and really wants to learn to trap, let me know and I will send you a copy free. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:08 | 4742365 New Ordnance
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Awesome indeed. Everybody get Meattrappers video. Thanks for sharing your skills. You are an exemplar to all of us.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:33 | 4742512 Shrapnel
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MeatTrapper: Just subbed to your YouTube channel, highly interesting and informative. If I lived in an area more conducive to trapping(as in not Los Angeles lol), I'd like to get into it. I appreciate the info and vids you've shared to date, thank you.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:32 | 4742735 FredFlintstone
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MeatTrapper is one cool MoFo! I like the pic with you holding the big beaver.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 10:09 | 4743156 JIZ
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I bought your video brother. Good stuff, keep at it.

I grow most of our veggies (can't grow olives and such 'round here). Not really able to do livestock, but trapping is something that could get meat in a pinch.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:52 | 4742334 New Ordnance
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There are a lot of wide-open, thinly populated  spaces west of the Mississippi where people have a lot more elbow room. I know it's tough in urban areas and densly populated states. It's getting way late to make a move IMO. I urge everyone to do what they can to be a resource in their communities.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:33 | 4742285 New Ordnance
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Good for you meattrapper. I know more people can do what you are doing. I am urging all my clients to go all-out for food production and food independence this growing season which may be the most inportant growing season of our lives for all the many reasons that I am sure most of the people reading this already know.

More on what we are doing with the  the Rocky Mountain Corn Project to encourage people to feed themselves:

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 08:47 | 4742907 Big Corked Boots
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I've grown that corn for years. I can't say I've eaten it, but I sell it as an ornamental because it looks fabulous, and the ears that don't pass muster get fed to my neighbor's chickens. Those mothercluckers are as big as turkeys and lay eggs like hand grenades.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:54 | 4742336 TheMeatTrapper
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@New Ordinance:

That is an AWESOME site. Several years ago I bought 300 pounds of Hopi Blue Indian corn and packed it into 5 gallon buckets lined with mylar bags. 

I grind it with my Country Living Grain Mill. Had to re learn how to cook with the blue corn meal. 

Thank you for posting your link. I will be in touch!

Edited to add: 

Man that is some GOOD LOOKING CORN!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:01 | 4742451 TheMeatTrapper
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Order placed from Alabama! 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:48 | 4742535 Balanced Integer
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I think it's awesome what you and Ordinance are doing. Both of you deserve mad props for your respective efforts.

Personally, I don't do trapping. It just isn't my thing - I hunt with a crossbow instead of firearms, and I fish. That is the extent of my game harvesting. But I ain't one to judge, either. More power to you both.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:46 | 4742319 kchrisc
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With respect, but spend a few days pretending you are poor and try to eat well. Carbo-food is cheap, but more quickly digested and causes the body to crave more.

I am not apologizing for anyone, but from within a system robbed to its core, how can one be so sure that it would be different if not for the mass scale looting of the masses.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:07 | 4742359 TheMeatTrapper
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You have a valid point. One of the ideas/projects I've had floating around in my head is to do a video on 'cheap healthy cooking in a motel/shelter'. 

In other words, if a person were living in a shelter or a dumpy motel, what could they buy and cook that is actually nutritious. 

My thinking is focusing on a rice cooker or crockpot as the cooker. Brown rice, beans and lentils as the primary foods with spices added. The idea being to take cheap but healthy foods and combine them with spices and cook them in a way that can be done in a temporary housing situation. 

Scrambled eggs cooked in a styrofoam coffee cup in a convenience store microwave is another one I use a lot when travelling. Eggs are still fairly cheap, and when you cook them in coffee cups at a 7-11 the microwave is free and you simply throw the cup away. 

If anyone has any ideas feel free to cime in as I really want to do a video on this type of living. I think it would help a lot of people. Maybe some of us. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:54 | 4742441 NickVegas
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Styrofoam melts into the food, plus eggs are yucky in a microwave. Use a coffee cup. You can do a lot with a hot plate.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:58 | 4742447 TheMeatTrapper
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Good point.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:14 | 4742602 zhandax
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MT, I think I saw in some post where you are in Alabama.  Around the time I went to college, there were still a significant number of people who had survived their entire life on beans, greens, cornbread, and whatever they had recently caught or had in the freezer; quail, deer, bass, and plenty more.  Garnish with onions, tomatoes, beets, chow chow, finish off with a pecan pie, and that was Sunday dinner.  These were our grandparent's generation, and immediately after this, the obesity rates started going up coincident with these folks entering accelerated mortality from old age.  I am sure you know some people down there who still can cases of green beans, chow chow, turnip greens, tomatoes, etc.  Talk to some of the oldest neighbors you can find and you will have no problem with the writing.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 04:15 | 4742646 Adahy
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Exactly.  My grandparents live here in AL in the middle of nowhere on their family farm.  They have grown and raised their own food since they were teenagers, and taken advantage of every meal that scurries by.  They are both now in thier 90's and still very active, mentally and physically.  There are still people like that around, but not very many; and the numbers are dwindling.  We'll have to pull up the slack.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:39 | 4742548 kareninca
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I own, and have read, many, many thrift books, most of them with a heavy "food" component.  The one that springs to mind as most useful in re what you are describing, is Bill Kaysing's "How to Eat Well on Less than a Dollar a Day" (the original 1970 version), which later morphed into "Eat Well for 99 Cents a Meal."  His suggestions are close to vegan, but you could adjust that if you want.  And while he does not specifically address the "live in a hotel" situation, his recipes are very, very simple, and to some extent aimed at people living in campers.

Checking his wikipedia site was an eye opener.  I knew his cooking/thrift books; I had not realized that he is best known for inititating the "Moon Hoax Movement":

I take it that you have immersion heaters in mind; you can stick one of them in a cup of water and make it hot enough to add things like instant oatmeal.  You could even soft boil an egg that way.

Loompanics press had a book re "how to live in your car"; I will try to track that down.

I have a friend who has lived in a van for many years, and he does a lot of "retained heat cooking," a very cool method that can be done on any scale.

When I lived in a hotel room (briefly), I used an electric wok for everything except beverages.  Fried hotdogs (pre-vegan days!), warmed cans of soup, toasted bread. You can wipe it clean with a paper towel.  It is not ideal to use nonstick surfaces (they may not be the healthiest), but it is much better than a lot of other alternatives in re chemical exposure.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:59 | 4742695 zhandax
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Speaking of immersion cooking, take a look at this...

Amazing how a bit of common (not so much now) sense can replace a $500 sous-vide cooker.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:31 | 4742572 bunnyswanson
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This woman, Karen Stephenson from Ontario, Canada is a specialist in edible food found in the woods, by rivers, is here first video.  Survival cooking and scavenging should be both things we learn about. 


Meat should always be used to flavor the beans/rice/noodles/potatoes.  Vegetable stir fried in wok could be done on a coleman burner or BBQ. 


Consumerism has led everyone to believe it is their right to be completely comfortable.  The extended credit went to everyone for a few years, and living high-on-the-hog became the customary way to live.  New car.  new Home.  new everyfuckignthing because they "needed to get the money out there."


It's social engineering at its finest.  The people of a nation are the direct reflection of govt policy.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:00 | 4742663 Serenity Now
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That's a great idea.  I'm so sick of people complaining that they can't make a nutritious meal.  I lived in Japan for a couple of years, where kitchens often have only a rice cooker and a hot plate.  I've also lived on a sailboat for years, where you don't exactly have a gourmet kitchen/galley.

Personally, I am not a health food nut or a food snob of any kind.  I live off of cheese and crackers, sandwiches, and chips.  I love Cheetos, and also my aspartame Diet Coke.  LOL.  So I might not be the right person to chime in on your idea, but I'm thin and healthy.  

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:43 | 4742176 FredFlintstone
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Big swath of hungry folks along the mighty Mississippi river. Drop a line in and catch me some catfish. Go figure.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:44 | 4742177 NoDebt
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What a giant steaming pile of horseshit this article is.

There's not one single godammed 'Merican in lack of food.  

Only people lacking food are maybe kids of parents "playing the game" to sell their foodstamp benefits for drugs.

I see NO stories of people rolling into emergency rooms suffering from malnutrition.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:08 | 4742238 Buckaroo Banzai
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You knew it was bullshit when you saw the HuffPuff citation.

Seriously, Tylers????

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:10 | 4742473 thamnosma
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As soon as I saw the "Huff Post" reference I knew it was commie propaganda.   Hey, it's fun to use the old "commie" line sometimes.  Marxist doesn't always quite cut it.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:16 | 4742256 Matt
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"Malnutrition is the condition that results from eating a diet in which certainnutrients are lacking, in excess (too high in intake), or in the wrong proportions." - Wikipedia "malnutrition".

So, eating too much food is also malnutrition.

An estimated 1 million American men have hypothyroidism, due primarily to iodine deficiency:

9% of American women have iron deficiency, with 1.6 per 100,000 annaul death rates.

that's just scratching the surface.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:57 | 4742696 Serenity Now
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Your heart seems to be in the right place, but that doesn't really matter.  People who eat too much are very rarely lacking in nutrients.  Malnutrition is when people get scurvy because they don't have vitamin C, as just one example.  We just don't have that problem in the US, no matter how badly the Left wants it to be true. 

One million men (out of approximately 175 million men in the US) is only one half of one percent.  That is hardly a crisis.

And 9% of women being iron deficient is because we have periods.  It's easily taken care of with an iron pill.  

Why don't you pick a REAL problem or evil to fight against?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:36 | 4742583 bunnyswanson
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I have.  Very common in elderly.  When you own a home, you are not eligible for food stamps.  Patient in his teens came in yesterday with malnutition smartass.  You would be shocked at what is happening to Americans.  It's a slow kill.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:25 | 4742616 zhandax
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"When you own a home, you are not eligible for food stamps."

WTF?  6 years ago, you could by a home with a $500 Capital1 credit card and there are 100mm+ people on food stamps today.  All of them got foreclosed?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:54 | 4742634 bunnyswanson
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Requires passing a means test.  Equity cannot exceed over a few thousand dollars.  Negative equity perhaps would put the applicant into the "Go" status, now that you mention it.  But, word on the street, whenever discussion about foodstamps arise, that "if you own your own home, you are not eligble." As a receipient, 3,000 in savings is all that you can have as I understand it, for instance.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 04:37 | 4742653 zhandax
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Seems a shame you can be retired, sitting on a 300 acre farm free and clear, and only have SSI for cash and not be eligible for food stamps while some of the caricature idjuts get them.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:17 | 4742778 max2205
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Wow you guys do know it's after midnight right. 


Try to go to bed

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:40 | 4742791 zhandax
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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:02 | 4742700 Serenity Now
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Come on, that's disingenuous.  The elderly often stop eating, and it has nothing to do with their ability to afford food.  And why do we hear so many stories about lottery winners and people with McMansions getting food stamps? 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:08 | 4742667 Serenity Now
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Thank you.  This kind of article is the worst type of propaganda.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, is hungry in the US.  

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:50 | 4742190 FreedomGuy
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I am calling BS on the whole "Hungry in America" thing. It is either a ploy for charities to raise monies and pay themselves or in the case of the FDA to increase funding and power.

The epidemic in America is obesity. It is everywhere and will have huge costs in the future, especially once government takes over all of healthcare. Then it will be YOUR problem.

There are no starving dieing people in America that look like Biafra, Ethiopia or similar parts of the world.

Complete BS and don't buy it. Trust your eyes as you walk around. The problem is too much food, too cheap and available on any corner in America.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:06 | 4742361 TBT or not TBT
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The path into Walmart is lined with stacks of packaged carbs and cheap vegetable oils. Same thing on the way out. The good food, satiating food, is a lot more expensive, dollars per calorie.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:35 | 4742405 TheMeatTrapper
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You are correct. Walk into WalMart and buy a bag of almonds, 12 tins of boneless, skinless sardines in olive oil, a pound of real cheese, a pound of real, thick sliced bacon, some coconut oil, and a selection of fresh vegetables. Two plastic bags of real food will cost you $50. Easy. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 04:30 | 4742619 zhandax
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Depends on the food.  10 lbs of Indian brown basmati rice last weekend, $13.  A pound of Florida dolphin, usually around $6-7/lb (the tourists usually call it Mahi Mahi).  Wild caught Alaskan Sockeye is usually around $9-10/lb and you only need about 1/3 of that for your daily protein ration unless you cut trees or haul hay all day.  Your choice of frozen vegetables, around $1/lb.  Oranges in season for around $1/lb.  Same for tomatoes from the vegetable stands around town.  Ears of fresh corn, 3/$1 in season.  Except for the rice and tomatoes, these are Kroger prices.  That is the kind of shit I eat four days a week.  In all honesty, on the weekends I do indulge.  I am not above smoking a brisket (or even turning half of it into pastrami).  It has gone from around $2 to almost $3/lb in the last six years for a 10lb cryovac slab, but that is still within means for a person on a limited food budget with the caveat that the human body only requires about .33/lb per day.  Knowing that, I still eat about a pound of it straight off the smoker.  May explain why I am edging 210lbs and am only 6'2".

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:08 | 4742706 Serenity Now
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Exactly, it depends on the food.  Rice and beans (staples in many countries) are ten cents or less per serving.  It's the carb-hating crowd that typically overlooks this.  It's disingenuous of them, but they get away with it.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:06 | 4742767 zhandax
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Amazing how the carb-hating crowd seems to overlap with the PC crowd, which seems to overlap with the fascist crowd.  Concentric circles, anyone?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 04:17 | 4747659 Serenity Now
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Yep.  They joust with windmills rather than fighting real problems.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:36 | 4742408 Never One Roach
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I tend to agree with you Freedom Guy.

Diabetes, heart disease, strokes and on and on are in epidemic proportions ... not from lack of calories or nutrition from what i've read.

I've also read that orthopdeic surgeons are preparing for some serious problems treating an older and massively obese population. My neighbor is a "Bone Doctor" and he said it's going to be tough treating things like an ankle break or an arthritic joint when the person is carrying that enormus amount of excess weight that our bodies are not really designed to carry.

Makes sense.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:11 | 4742475 thamnosma
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Just tired old communists at the Huff Post.  You know, the ones with Che posters on the wall.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 22:58 | 4742207 JR
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“Food insecure” could mean almost anything. I’d expect HuffPo to run this story; they’re running interference for the welfare state. But ZH? Yes, some people are hungry. But "49 million”? As the headline asks,


"Where Are They?"


South Louisiana lingerie store accepts EBT card for payment (March 14, 2014)

A Gonzales-based lingerie store Kiss My Lingerie now allows its customers to pay for adult specialty items with their Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) card, also known as the Louisiana Purchase card. (

Kiss My Lingerie, located in the Magnolia Shopping Center on South Burnside Avenue, recently posted a sign on its front door saying that it accepts most credit cards, including the EBT card, commonly known as the food stamps card.

WAFB reports that the owner of the store says Kiss My Lingerie started accepting the EBT card eight months ago, and according to the Department of Children and Family Services, it's perfectly legal.

A spokesperson for DCFS says the EBT card, also known as the Louisiana Purchase card, is not just for food stamps, and that there are also cash benefits available for other family needs. The Louisiana EBT website says that residents can purchase cleaning products, pet food and paper products with their EBT cards, and that some grocery stores allow residents to get cash back from a transaction. However, cash benefits don't cover tobacco, alcohol, lottery tickets, casinos and adult entertainment. 

According to the Louisiana EBT website, residents receiving cash benefits can also redeem from ATMs displaying the Quest logo, although they may have to pay a surcharge.

Additionally, Louisiana does not dictate to families how to spend the money they receive on the cards….

A woman who works near the store, but asked not to be identified, said over the last few weeks, the shop has gotten more foot traffic. "It's still the taxpayers dollars that are being used in a store like that and that really upsets me," the unidentified woman said, adding, "No child I know eats edible underwear."

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:14 | 4742714 Serenity Now
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Dang, I was going to make an edible underwear joke, but that last quote ruined it for me.

Listen up, people!  When you talk about inflation (and you really mean price increases), THIS IS THE REASON!!!  Inlfation is the increase in the money supply!!!  Food stamps increase the money supply, driving up demand, driving up prices.  That is the order of things.

Tell stores that you do not want them to take EBT.  Put a stop to this nonsense.  

Although I did get a chuckle that this was in Louisiana.  Crooked as the day is long.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:07 | 4742234 Curt W
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I have volunteered at a food bank for more than a year.

None of the people look desperately thin.  Nearly half are actually overweight.

They use the foodbank for basic staples, so that they can afford soda pop, smart phones, and tatoos.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:37 | 4742380 intric8
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What worries me is how all these fat fucks will ever jettison the schema that they can exist independent of federal govt freebies.

edit- free food is addicting

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 02:35 | 4742582 eucalyptus
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I used to think like that until I ran into a bout of poverty - and my central obeisity/visceral fat shot up like crarzy. I used to be very fit and a college athlete. I ate healthier and less during my bout with poverty but I gained lots of fat in my midsection which is the worst kind. It has a lot more to do with constant stress, worry, and acute depression.

If you walk around in any city, the wealthier are much more fit even if they gorge on seamlessweb every afternoon and night. it is why you see pot-bellies on skinny 3rd worlders in destitution. 

yes, there are lots of ebt/poor that are fucking stupid about their diet but after my experience i am convinced a lot of obseity issues in the US are not diet related but stress, depression, and pressure related.  

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:28 | 4742734 Serenity Now
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You assume that wealthy people have no stress.  That is ridiculous.  

You assume that wealthy people are just thin, rather than disciplined, with self control.  That is also ridiculous.

The pot-belly on starving children is a distended belly from starvation.  It is not the same as your pot belly during your bout of poverty.

Lastly, obesity issues are 100% diet related.  That is not debatable.  Now, I do agree with you that diet is affected by stress, depression, and pressure!  Rich people, however, deal with the same issues.  Rich does not equal thin.  Poor people do not corner the market on being fat.  Look at Oprah, Roseanne, any of the dead comedians, etc.

Anyway, I hope your situation is better now.  I really do.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:16 | 4742257 Sticky Wicket
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"16 counties in the U.S. with more than 100,000 "food insecure" children -- a number you might expect to see in a developing country" The difference being that the children in the developing nation are actually starving, and not obese and waiting for their afternoon snack.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:19 | 4742263 FredFlintstone
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Waiting for the ice cream truck.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:39 | 4742297 JR
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The miracle of Keynes and QEing out of thin air:

Only 42% of welfare recipients are working (nationally) and many of those with jobs are actually not working, but are participating in job training or “job search”. Fewer than 20% have unsubsidized private-sector jobs.” --  CATO, The Work Verses Welfare Tradeoff,

“In 2013, the monthly average for individuals on food stamps hit an all-time-high of 47,636,084, according to the USDA

“That number has dramatically increased from five years ago. In fiscal year 2009, the number of individuals participating in the food stamp program was 33,489,975... an increase of 42.2%.

“The cost in 2013: $79,641,888,000 (Source: Department of Agriculture)” – cnsnewscom

“[T]he Obama Administration—allows states to completely bypass the asset test for food stamp applicants, meaning there is no limit to the amount of assets a household can have to qualify for food stamps as long as their income is low enough.

“The food stamps program has no real work requirement, either. This means there isn’t a way to distinguish between individuals who truly need assistance and those who could otherwise work. It also means that able-bodied recipients are not encouraged to move toward work. Food stamp participation more than doubled among able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWDs) during this time, growing by roughly 127 percent. In 2010, half of ABAWDs on the food stamp rolls performed zero work in the previous month, but even in good economic times, work rates are just as low.  – The Heritage Foundation

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:20 | 4742264 AdvancingTime
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The SNAP program or food stamps has grown at an amazing rate. If you qualify for one program additional assistance is most likely be available. People receiving help or aid often double or triple dip, a plethora of "additional help" options exist.

From food stamps, free phones and internet, help paying for utilities, medicaid and medical assistance, Pell Grants, and more. If people learn to make better choices in how they spend the money given to them by the government to stretch their food budget they will be fine. You do not need a great deal of money to have a reasonable diet in America.More on this subject in the article below.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:24 | 4742268 AdvancingTime
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The real issue is that regardless of how people feel about Government programs we are currently facing a massive Federal deficit and that the food stamp program also known as SNAP should be reformed. The food purchased with food stamps should be limited to "only" approved basic and healthy foods like milk, eggs, potatoes, rice, chicken, and generic brands of peanut-butter, ice cream and bread.

Off the list should be premium and luxury items such as T-bone steak, and all the high price designer frozen and snack foods that fill Americas grocery stores. An example of where they should not be allowed is at the gas station-convenience store near my home where they can be used to purchase pop, cookies or a sandwich.

 It should be made clear that those on the program and the people that need help are not the only supporters of this program. A case could be made that the biggest beneficiaries of the food stamp program are grocery stores and the food industry, More on this subject can be found in the article below.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:14 | 4742482 salvadordaly
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But, that would be un"FAIR" if just because I am on food stamps and I could not buy T-bones, beef tenderloin or even lobster with my food stamps! I mean, I would feel unequal or lesser of a person if I did not have choices. How would my children feel if they could not eat the best and most expensive food that the others are afforded? We can not have that as a civilized country can we? We can not be un"fair" can we?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 11:49 | 4743600 Jethro
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I've come to the conclusion that Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.  What you illustrated above is accurate.  I don't know exactly what to attribute this mentaility to for it's inception, but the PC movement fanned the flames, and consumed our culture.  I wish that more US citizens had the opportunity to live in a third world country for an extended period of time like I did.  I lived in India in the early 90's for a little over a year, then got transferred to Hungary the year after, and lived there for the same length of time.  It forever changed how I think.  The world is a big, beautiful, dangerous place.  And, nature isn't the only thing red in tooth and claw.  When I came back home, I was overwhelmed by our grocery stores.  We have an embarrasment of riches here, but we are well on the path to losing it by politically slitting our throughts in the name of "fairness".  There are no truly poor people here in the US.  I've yet to encounter somebody that is literally starving for lack of food.  They may be eating complete shit (sometimes---if they had SNAP, they certainly ate better than me), but it will sustain life.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 01:38 | 4742521 Bemused Observer
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But what IS a "premium or luxury item?" Not a T-bone steak, but what about a T-bone steak that has been discounted to where it is currently cheaper than the ground beef that's available? And what if lobster prices keep declining, and it becomes cheaper than tuna? Are the poor required to purchase the higher-priced, non-luxury items in order to avoid moral hazard?

If it is based on price, then what happens if milk prices spike? Are the poor then required to forego the purchase of milk?

Who will administer all this monitoring? Who will keep the list of "forbidden items" updated so no one gets over and snags some crab legs? And what will it cost?

You can't just say it. You have to explain how it would work in the real world. Talking points are not a plan.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 06:39 | 4742739 Serenity Now
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You know what?  You are absolutely right.  

We need to get rid of 99% of government food stamps and go back to real charity.  I can assure you that I know the difference between a luxury item and a premium item when I'm the one purchasing and donating it to the food bank.  

And I definitely trust the Salvation Army to be a better steward of my money and/or food donations than the United States government.  

You are so disingenuous, although I'm certain you don't mean to be.  You've got poor people (in your example) buying lobster, tuna, steak, and ground beef, while I'm over here eating cheese & crackers trying to save money.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 09:21 | 4742998 Bemused Observer
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I don't have poor people eating or not eating anything in particular. My point was, HOW would you implement such a 'forbidden foods' list?

Instead of going with the emotional arguments, why not walk through how it actually WORKS in real life? But, don't waste your time, it DOESN'T. Because it is NOT a plan, it is an emotional knee-jerk response to an imagined problem.

It's all well and good to appeal to people's baser emotions by painting an image of welfare queens dining on lobster while you hard-working Americans eat cheese and crackers, but in FACT that image is CRAP. And unfortunately, because of the persistence of that CRAP image, a lot of people already living near the edge are going to have their lives made just a little more YOU can feel better.

It isn't about hunger, or entitlements. It's about the nasty tendency people have punish those who they see as lesser than them. Not as hard-working, not as patriotic. Not REAL Americans, like they are.

And when you translate that into actual legislation, we end up with bullshit laws like drug-testing for welfare recipients, even though it costs a lot MORE to piss-test everyone than it is worth! It COSTS the taxpayers MORE money to "save" money on welfare!!! And, we're doing this because...wait for it...we think we spend TOO MUCH on welfare now! So let's spend even MORE on a stupid program that accomplishes NOTHING, and enriches some governor's wife who happens to have an interest in the company doing the testing!

If we're so broke that you are actually going to take food out of people's mouths, where are you getting the money for all this testing? Funny how your fiscal responsibility ends up costing everyone a lot more money for a lot less 'program'...Sorry, we can't afford to indulge you folks with anymore.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:01 | 4743646 Jethro
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I can make this simple.  Food entitlements could be limited to beans and rice.  That's it.  Not Uncle Ben's, not beans in a can, but a 50-lb sack of rice, and a 50-lb sack of beans.  You get a complete protein between the two....and in the name of fairness, it'd be the same thing we send to refugees around the world.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 04:31 | 4747670 Serenity Now
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You aren't an American?  Then STFU and stay out of our business.  

The idea that if I don't give someone my money, that means I am punishing them for being lesser than me is INSANE.

I can't reason with crazy.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:33 | 4742281 Rockfish
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:11 | 4742369 sylviasays
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Naw, it's states with the most illegals.

Habla Espanol????

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:37 | 4742410 TheMeatTrapper
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Yo my niggah...I hate them crackers that use the N word!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 05:42 | 4742683 StychoKiller
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Crackers?  Nay, we're Saltine-Americans!

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4742308 intric8
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Thats me. Coffee for breakfast. Instant noodles once or twice a day despite a decent education and job. Its ok- i stay thin at least.

The feds pro inflation stance, outsourcing and global wage arbitrage have created what amounts to wage slavery on a sizable segment of the american population.

This is the new norm until it gets much worse, and then, depending who the historian is, either a revolution or liberation will take place. Call me when the dust settles. Ill probably be hiding out in a cave with my canned goods and a shotgun.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 07:08 | 4742769 Comte d'herblay
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Your might be better off with MREs.


And Twinkies, Ho-Hos and Li'l Debs.

Chocolate, lotsa chocoalata.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:43 | 4742313 Stinko da Munk
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Given a choice I'd rather spend billions on the F35 and a lot of kick ass drones. 

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:48 | 4742325 Matt
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SkyNET would certainly solve all of our problems, all at once.

Thu, 05/08/2014 - 23:47 | 4742321 Platinum
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"Food Insecure" could mean that there isn't an Outback Steakhouse or Claim Jumper in town.


It's appalling how many people can't even cook a basic meal without resorting to those mix n' cook (and crap shortly thereafter) chemistry experiments.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:38 | 4742412 TheMeatTrapper
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Don't even get me started on how women can't cook these days. Don't even get me started...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 03:46 | 4742623 AgentScruffy
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With a frying pan and a pot you can cook pretty much anything. Heck, nowadays, a Crockpot will cook it for ya.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:45 | 4742424 ebworthen
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Isn't this "cooking" thing putting something in the microwave for 4-1/2 minutes?

If I can't get it at the grocery store and nuke it I'm going to riot.

Just as soon as "Dancing With the Stars" is over.

Tomorrow...maybe the next day.

Got beer?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:13 | 4742370 Seek_Truth
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Wow! The numbers are much higher than I thought they'd be.

Good thing "we" have headroom for QE, ZIRP, TARP, MIC, and overthrowing foreign gubmints!

I almost thought this article was pointing out a problem with where "our" money is spent.


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 00:27 | 4742392 August
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God damn you, Koch Brothers!!!!

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