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Ukraine, Europe Throw Hissy Fits Over Putin's Visit To "Annexed" Crimea

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While - for now - Sunday's referendum for Donetsk remains un-postponed despite Putin's diplomatic call for a delay, the Europeans and Ukrainians are extremely displeased with his visit to Crimea today:

  • EU SAYS REGRETS PUTIN ATTENDED CRIMEA PARADE;
  • EU SAYS HE SHOULD NOT HAVE USED VICTORY DAY TO SHOWCASE ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA; and
  • Ukraine considers this step to be a blatant disrespect by the Russian side

The atmosphere in the nation is growing dark - as one source in Mariupol noted, "Electricity out in parts, barricades being pulled up. Feels like a country on the brink of civil war."

 

 

Ukraine is not happy about his visit...

Statement of the MFA of Ukraine on unauthorised visit by the Russian President Vladimir Putin to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol

 

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine expresses the strongest protest against today’s unauthorised visit by President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol, temporally occupied by Russia.

 

Ukraine considers this step to be a blatant disrespect by the Russian side for the legislation of Ukraine, international law; gross violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty, the United Nations Charter, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution "On Territorial Integrity of Ukraine ", as well as the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation of 1997.

 

This provocation makes yet another clear evidence that Russia has been consciously escalating tensions in Ukrainian-Russian relations and unwilling to bring bilateral disputes to diplomatic solution.

 

We demand the Russian side to return to the civilized way of international relations, listen to the decisive voice of international community, as well as repeal all the illegal acts on occupation and annexation of the part of Ukraine’s territory.

Europe is on their side...

  • EU SAYS REGRETS PUTIN ATTENDED CRIMEA PARADE;
  • EU SAYS HE SHOULD NOT HAVE USED VICTORY DAY TO SHOWCASE ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA
 

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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:26 | 4743729 McMolotov
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Call the wambulance. The West is acting like a bunch of junior high girls.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4743767 svayambhu108
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Hubris

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:39 | 4743777 Latina Lover
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What would you expect from the EU, a sclerotic,bureacratic dictatorship

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:40 | 4743787 StacksOnStacks
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Looks like they need some Wamburgers and French Cries!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:44 | 4743805 Latina Lover
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Hey EU, take your complaints to Mother Russia:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZJ9AqVRTRo

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:51 | 4743827 Latina Lover
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Message to Kiev from Putin:

 

CrimeaRiver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQWUWL4Q6hQ

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:55 | 4743841 Manthong
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What’s to complain about?..  It’s not like he took off his shirt and went all Conan the Barbarian on anybody.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:56 | 4743852 Latina Lover
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Barrosso and Obama are just jealous because Putin looks better with his shirt off.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:58 | 4743866 Manthong
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:09 | 4743931 Wahooo
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obama is jealous because Crimea gets Putin and he doesn't.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:46 | 4743812 fauxhammer
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No one expects the EUNQUISITION!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:29 | 4744020 Haus-Targaryen
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Fuck the EU

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:36 | 4744306 sushi
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Agreed.

 

But who or what is this EU that claims to issue these statements?

If this represents a parliament of independent European states then where is the record of debate? Who was for and against? How did they describe their positions? What form did their discourse take? How did they arrive at consensus on this statement?

Absent any of the above this EU statement is something issued by a nobody in a bureaucratic PR office reading something that came off the teleprinter from NATO in Brussels originally dictated by Heinz "57 Varieties of BS" Kerry from his yacht after getting a text from some black dude in the rough on the 14th fairway and lacking suffcient Secret Service agents to locate his balls.

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:26 | 4743732 Relentless101
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IT IS RUSSIA NOW. People keep trying to tell Russians what to do on their own soil. Bitch about the arms build up on the border. I get it. Thats a lot of fire power. But he attended a fucking parade. A parade. Really?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:32 | 4743747 McMolotov
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Much of this is about trying to save face. The US-EU royally fucked up, and now they're being made to look like fools on the world stage.

Every night, these "leaders" go home and cry into their pillows about how unfair it all is. Like I said above, JUNIOR HIGH GIRLS. Selfies? Tweeting? Dear God, it's embarrassing to be even remotely associated with these people.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4743759 svayambhu108
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West hired Ukraine army to kill its own people, either they can get away with anything or is the ultimate hubris.

West wont go down easy ...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:38 | 4743776 ApollyonDestroy
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The west will go down suffering a nuclear defeat. Wasteland Americka

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:38 | 4743779 McMolotov
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The West already goes down easy for bankers.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:56 | 4743853 pods
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They don't even need that gentle nudge in the general direction.

pods

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:47 | 4745323 free_lunch
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Fatal shooting in Ukraine, video NOT FOR CHILDREN !!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d4_1399674498

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:51 | 4743833 SAT 800
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I'm Rootin for Putin !!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:53 | 4743838 SAT 800
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Yeah. didn't they like VOTE; didn't like a democratic MAJORITY of the people WANT to be part of Russia? Or did I miss something? Isn't this what we're always ratcheting on about, the wonders of FREE VOTING.?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:07 | 4743919 Wahooo
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In Crimea, voting actually makes a difference. In the U.S., not so much.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:28 | 4743737 One And Only
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Without the Russians half of Europe would be dead and the other living half would be under Nazi rule so they should shut the fuck up.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:48 | 4743819 Zadig
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The "West" made it clear that didn't matter anymore when they dismembered Yugoslavia.  They cheerfully aided the fascist allied Croats and punished the anti-fascist Serbs. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:37 | 4744765 JoeSexPack
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FYI...Croats wanted to split from Yugoslavia (Serb-run), for self-determination.

 

Yugo's (Serb's) said no cuz most tax $$$ came from Croatia (& Slovenia). & no, Croats could not keep their tax $$$ @ home.

 

Yugo's (Serb's) shot first, shot most (Vukovar) & shot historic treasures (Dubrovnik) with no military value.

 

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:58 | 4743861 Latina Lover
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Re One and Only, 

with respect, what makes you think that Europe is not under Nazi rule:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCjdJUWkQGg

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:30 | 4743743 CrashisOptimistic
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re Ukraine electricity.

40ish% of their domestic generation is from natural gas.

They do not generate domestically enough to power their national consumption.

The remainder comes from the Russian grid.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:11 | 4744456 Matt
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Ukraine has massive (estimated) natual gas reserves, is there a reason they are not net producers?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:01 | 4745350 UrbanMiner
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Yes, because they are too busy having their second revolution. Stability has been somewhat lacking.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4743751 Kaiser Sousa
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just sell those fucking Treasury's already Vlad'y.

FUCK MAN!

ps: is anyone watching the DJIA...

truly a fucking joke.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:37 | 4743772 CrashisOptimistic
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Then don't watch it.

Watch tractors plow your fields.  Planting time.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:18 | 4743789 Kaiser Sousa
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uh, seeds already in the ground and sprouting...

"head in the sand" maybe ur thing but not mine...

but thanks for taking the time to waste time responding..

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4743762 border dog
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THe EU and NATO are finished and they know it....Ukraine is doing them in...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:37 | 4743770 Postal
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Feels like a country on the brink of civil war.

Isn't that about like the fat girl who says, "I feel fat." Um, that's because you are, sweetheart.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:37 | 4743771 Bay of Pigs
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By the looks of it, the Kiev "national guard" is gunning down unarmed civilians in Mariupol.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1399635819

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:13 | 4743945 The Black Bishop
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Saw that video earlier. What a bunch of fucking barbarians! I really hope the people of the eastern Ukraine comes to their senses and takes up arms against these assholes en masse. Shaking fists and shouting at them was fine up to a point. But the rubicon was crossed in Odessa.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:47 | 4744101 Overfed
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I'm so proud of what "our" government has wrought. Cue up some Lee Greenwood, I'm feeling all partriotic and shit.

 

 

 

 

{s} for those who need it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:46 | 4744592 KnightsofNee
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Don't think it can't happen here.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:27 | 4744736 Puppet Hegemon
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This video shows this year candidates for Ig Nobel Prize. Anti-terrorist operation is announced in that area and all civilians are instructed to stay home otherwise no one guarantees anything.

This running around screaming and shouting with raised hands as a flok of morons and direct provocations against S.W.A.T. people at work is beyound of my comprehension. Real civilians are sitting home, so who cares anyway?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 18:12 | 4744960 MarsInScorpio
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Puppet:

 

Eat poop and die, troll pig.

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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 20:39 | 4745298 free_lunch
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Takfiri Fighters from Syria in Ukraine

http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=ukraine


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:39 | 4743781 Totentänzerlied
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"Building clearly fired at with something heavier than a kalashnikov"

PKM 7.62×54mmR is a decent candidate known to be used by Ukraine, and it is in fact a Kalashnikov (Pulemyot Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyy).

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:11 | 4744195 Sabibaby
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I think he's talking about the holes from the tanks or rockets actually.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4743791 Smegley Wanxalot
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By this hypocritical logic the US is showing severe disrespect to the state of Nevada when it sends BLM agents to land seized from the state to kill cows, tase people, shove around old ladies, and have snipers set their gunsights on people who film it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4743792 marcusfenix
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funny how the "international community" is always the same 5 or 6 countries bitching about not getting there way...

it's sad in way see these western leaders embarrassing themselves like this on the world stage repeatedly.

but I have to admit, halving suffered under the three ring freak show circus that is Washington DC for most of my adult life, it does put a smile on my face watching them flounder.

guilty pleasures.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:50 | 4743826 SAT 800
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I like the part about the "unauthorized" visit. Who was supposed to authorize it? Hard to believe they're serious. They sound a bit goofy.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4743794 LawsofPhysics
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Putin knows one thng for sure.  That being when fraud is the status quo, possession is the law.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:04 | 4743897 Wahooo
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Yup. We're sure not going to go back to Crimea being part of Ukraine.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4743795 JJdog
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The only thing makes the west happy is printing more money. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:05 | 4743909 Postal
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I thought it was beer and prostitutes.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4743797 Dr. Engali
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"We demand the Russian side to return to the civilized way of international relations"

By civilized do you mean like the way you and your nazi freinds are throwing petro on people then setting them on fire?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:54 | 4743845 The Black Bishop
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Probably more in the order of strangling pregnant women with power cords...you know, kinda modern way..... /sarc

 

Wish all those assholes burn forever in any hell that would accomodate them.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:43 | 4744082 sablya
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Ti bolshoy durak

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:53 | 4744127 Dr. Engali
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Posmotrite na gorshku chaynik chernym

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:32 | 4744292 sablya
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Hmm, not very accurate Russian but I get what you're trying to say only because I understand English - a Russian wouldn't have a clue what you're trying to say. Try this on for size:

v chuzhom glazu sorinku zametno, v svoyom — brevna ne vidat'

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:47 | 4743816 SpanishGoop
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Looks like they spared the aircon.

Never know who things can heat up Sunday.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:48 | 4743818 pound the vix
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Market spikes up on the news.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:48 | 4743820 vincenze
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Crimeans should feel happy that they are not part of the neighboring Ukraine. Peace, jobs, money.

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:56 | 4743857 pound the vix
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Market is done thinking about Ukraine.  Just like Iraq, Afganistan, Greece, Italy, Spain, Syria, Agrentina, etc.  These guys ave the attention span of 2 weeks.  It is all priced in now.  Only upside remains.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 12:57 | 4743863 foxenburg
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temporally occupied by Russia.

 

lol.

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:13 | 4744209 rwe2late
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Especially after McCain, Kerry, Nuland, Brennan went out of their way to be "unprovocative" during their visits,

Putin is being so disrespectful

(of US ambitions).

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:03 | 4743891 Bugsquasher
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Hate Obama and the sick twisted neo-cons at the CIA and the State Dept.  They represent the GOVERNMENT not the American people and what they beleive in.  The Ukrainian's desire for self determination and to be free of Russian hegemony is hundreds of years old.  Supporting that does not make everyone a fascist and is not synonomous with supporting the actions of the US government.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:50 | 4744109 Overfed
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It does when the State Dept. and CIA are balls deep involved in the coup and the civil war that follows.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:06 | 4743918 Phuk u
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:09 | 4743935 q99x2
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listen to the decisive voice of international community,

He means the voice of fascist banksters, financial terrorists

CIA nazis are out of luck because of competing opportunity with the Nigerian oil reserves. Kiev Dudes, they are going to leave you hanging and head out to save the children of Nigeria instead.

 


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:10 | 4743938 sablya
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Is Zero Hedge a Putin Asset?

Is Zero Hedge a Russian asset? Stop laughing and think it through. Zero Hedge started roughly when the American Financial Crisis started. It was linked to a Bulgarian trader. Here is that trader's father's website. His dad runs a tabloid news outlet and political/business consulting company. Papa was a military journalist during the Soviet era as an envoy in multiple third world nations. Some jobs run in the family. Zero Hedge is merciless with attacking the US war machine. It is one of the few places that will connect the dots or even explain the financial machinations of the mandarins that rotate between DC and Wall Street. There are multiple contributors but the general message is against the crony corporatists running the US at this time and that your pre-set foreign villains might be better than your chosen domestic leaders. To follow Lasswell's media model, Zero Hedge is a free anti-USG/Wall Street message for Americans in English to look at the truth behind the American Empire.

[...]

How much was it going to cost them to fund a trader barred from trading by the SEC but fully aware of the corrupt dukes at the top who have skated free for coming up on seven years now? Not much. Zero Hedge gives the people of America some red meat (down with bankers! politicians are bought! fight the power!) while slipping in anti-USG regime messages daily if not in every single post. Alexa ranks Zero Hedge as the 608th most visited website in the US and globally 1,554th. They don't have to reach or convince every American, just enough of the Americans that matter. I want to believe that this is one guy leading a small crew at ZH with their many contributors, but there is a part of me that says it smells of well funded opposition media. I'm going to open the odds on this at 9-1. It is not a long shot, but I want to believe that this is a success story of a smart crew taking on the system more than a Putin puppet. Even if it is, sometimes interests can overlap.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:16 | 4743965 The Black Bishop
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Oh why dont you just fuck off. So anything that strays from the mainstream is 5th column/traitors/Russian PsyOps? Fuck off already.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:24 | 4743988 sablya
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You're so brave to face the truth of corruption in US government, on Wall Street, but fail to see the odious shit right under your nose.  You fuck off.

 

Records show that from 2008 to 2010, Mr. Putin spent considerable cash -- approximately $6.8 million in fees to two American firms alone -- in an attempt to infiltrate America's media and political agenda. That doesn't include the various state-controlled Russian multinationals or entities who have also done the Kremlin's bidding. The Sunlight Foundation's Foreign Lobbying Influence Tracker shows that the Kremlin has gone to great lengths in hiring three American lobbying and public relations firms in an attempt to pitch favorable op-eds to American media outlets... / 

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-07...rms-bridge

Think about what's going on right now.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:51 | 4744116 Overfed
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All I see when I watch the news or read the paper is very strong anti-Russian agitprop.  Are you a US .gov asset?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:22 | 4744232 sablya
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Let me get this straight - Russian forces take over part of another sovereign country, while message boards and comment sections of every article are inundated with pro-Russian shills, spreading disinformation and engaging in Information Warfare - and yet you take offense at a regular American who just happens to speak Russian and understands what is going on? 

Do you think it is ok that Putin took over part of another country, and has obviously sent out his disinformation troops to take over public media outlets?  

How is it that one could NOT be anti-Russian given what is going on?  Would you say the same about Hitler after the Anschluss - annexation of Austria?  Would you compain about anti-German comments after that??  WTF dude?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:33 | 4744298 NoDecaf
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Like you are the only American who can speak Russian or who has been to Ukraine or has a point of view? You are epitome of American arrogance.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:22 | 4744499 sablya
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Embrace your ignorance, it suits you well.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 18:23 | 4744984 MarsInScorpio
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Sab:

 

The Russians are historically highly familiar with the Nazis and Nationalists of the Ukraine. They know they are butchers - as proven by Yulia's "nuke the Russians" remark.

 

Maybe you missed that.

 

The Russians - and the Jews - are going into self-preservation mode. The Kiev Butchers will eradicate the Russians and the Jews if they can - do you expect the Russians and the Jews to wait around for their Death Warrant to be signed by the Butchers?

 

I don't know who you are - but if you aren't a .gov troll, you are an idiot who is as ignorant as a stick about the situation and history of Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

 

Eat poop and die.

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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:49 | 4744345 Overfed
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Did you miss the part where the State Dept. and CIA staged the coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine? Evidently you did. How about the part where there are a bunch of CIA/FBI 'advisors' in Kiev and other parts of the country? Missed the memo? How about the Greystone mercenaries operating in Odessa?

It's abundantly clear to me that what's going on in Ukraine was fomented by the US/NATO in an attempt to keep Russia weak and on the defensive. Google "Wolfowitz Doctrine" sometime. From what I see, Putin is protecting Russia from the US/NATO.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 02:31 | 4745706 blentus
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I am an Eastern European guy who speaks English.

Ask me anything about anything related to USA, UK, New Zealand or Australia, because I obviously understand what is going on there.

You mongoloid.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:06 | 4744178 NoDecaf
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fuck off cunt

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:14 | 4744202 sablya
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No way - you need to understand how you're being manipulated by this shliooka russkaya, Daniel Ivandjiiski.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:25 | 4744254 NoDecaf
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I can make my own decisions based on what I read and hear, and if anyone is trying to manipulate here, it's people like you....so again, fuck off.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:27 | 4744514 sablya
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Facts are stubborn things (jackass); and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. Accidental ignorance is reparable - but willful self-delusion is another matter altogether. So, again, you fuck off.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 18:28 | 4744992 MarsInScorpio
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Sab:

 

Yes Sab, the facts shown by the videos are VERY stubborn things.

 

And you're right - you can't alter the facts and the evidence. They all show that the Butchers of Kiev are ethnic cleansers who are nothing but war criminals that deserve the death penalty.

 

Which is why I posted that you are either a .gov troll, or an idiot, ignorant as a stick about the events - and why they are occuring -  in Ukraine.

 

And as I stated before, "Eat poop and die."

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Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:08 | 4744186 McMolotov
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$6.8 million is an absolute pittance for public relations expenditures over three years. Moreover, it doesn't buy the kind of access one needs to shape the news. That kind of power comes from the incestuous comingling we see in the US between the government and the media, whereby members of the media begin their careers "reporting" the news  and magically end up taking cushy jobs running PR for various government agencies. One example would be Geoff Morrell, who went from ABC to the Pentagon and on to BP.

What is absolutely hilarious, though, is the article you linked. I looked up the author, Rachel Marsden. Apparently, she runs a PR firm.

http://www.rachelmarsdenassociates.com/

Founded in 2002 by renowned internationally syndicated analyst, Rachel Marsden (website), whose weekly Tribune Content Agency column is published by media outlets including the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Newsday, Baltimore Sun, Hartford Courant, Orlando Sun-Sentinel, The Tennessean, North Virginia Daily News, and The Korea Herald, the firm has since expanded across the globe and uses a reliable global network of contacts in media, politics, academia, industry, and diplomatic circles to assist its clients in attaining their business objectives.

That's just too fucking funny, dude.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:26 | 4744258 sablya
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No one knows exactly how much the Kremlin is spending on its effort to infiltrate media outlets - the point is that they have been doing this for years.

What's so funny about Rachel Marsden?  How about a corrupt Bulgarian trader, banned FOR LIFE from trading by the SEC, starting a news outlet which is decidedly anti-American and now just as patently pro-Russian?  Are those better credentials in your view?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:57 | 4744390 McMolotov
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We know the Tylers think the markets are rigged, hate the Fed, and love gold. We can assume at all times that they're talking their book because they say as much right in the "conflicts/full disclosure" link at the top of the page.

We also know the media supported the run up to the war in Iraq, supported intervening in Syria, supported Obama's campaign, and hate Russia in the case of the Ukraine fiasco. Since we know there's a revolving door between the media and government every bit as much as there is between Wall Street and the government and large corporations and the government, it's safe to assume most in the media are also "talking their book." The difference is they pretend to be objective, when even the most cursory review of the facts can reveal obfuscation or outright lying.

Do you need a list of all the members of the media who have worked or are working for the US government? Have you heard of Operation Mockingbird? Do you know what the Pentagon Military Analyst program was? There is no doubt in my mind ZH is biased in a certain direction. Are you willing to admit the same about virtually every other media outlet in the United States? Media outlets we can link directly — not merely through supposition — to the US government?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:28 | 4744521 sablya
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Do you want a straw for that Kool-Aid?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:33 | 4744547 McMolotov
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No rebuttal? Obvious troll is now completely obvious. I don't waste time with fucktard trolls. Toodaloo, motherfucker.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:07 | 4744669 HyperinflatmyNutts
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+1000..   McMolotov ..  Thatz how you ripp apart a fucking Gov Troll!!!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:58 | 4744787 sablya
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Woo hoo, morons cheering on morons.  Aren't we having fun...

Hyperinflatmynutts.  McMolotov.  What a bunch of ass clowns.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:57 | 4744786 sablya
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Impressive vocabulary, on top of an even more depressive moniker. Lol, what a fucktard you are.

As for your previous comments, it's hard to see what is relevant to respond to.  You love ZH.  Good for you.  I get that.  Think for a minute, though, what you would expect from a very clever Kremlin mouthpiece.  Anti-American? check.  Anti-US-dollar hegemony? check.  Anti-Fed? check.  Right out of the Kremlin playbook.

The next bit of your post is tu quoque - not directed at me, nor relevant to the discussion of Russian influence, but directed against US intervention in American media.  SO fucking what?  We're not talking about that.  You can say whatever you want about that, whether it is true or false makes no difference to the topic at hand.  

But, however much you know about what is going on in Russia, which I doubt is very much, how many dissenting journalists has the US government had killed?  See here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia. There is no longer any dissent in Russia or opposition to Putin's United Russia party. The US is in far better shape, with a relatively independent media, no matter what you might think, than Russia.

So, is that the sort of rebuttal you were looking for?  The one that says you probably have ADD and can't keep on task?  Ok, here it is jackdick.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 02:58 | 4745718 blentus
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At fist, I thought you were serious. Would be more fun that way :(

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:58 | 4744398 tsuki
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We spent $5 billion in Ukraine alone.  Want to wager how much we spent with Russian NGO's?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:43 | 4744583 Atticus Finch
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I think Putin was trying to explain the 23 trillion dollars that the Federal Reserve gave to international banks.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:29 | 4744016 smacker
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"Is Zero Hedge a Putin Asset?"

I see nothing in your comments to indicate that ZeroHedge is "a Putin asset". Quite the opposite if anything.

Just because ZH seeks to expose the deep corruption and gathering fascism within every piece of the USG, does not mean it's anti-American. The USG has been taken over by assorted criminals and no longer represents the American people.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:33 | 4744045 sablya
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Zerohedge is very much pro-russian. Just check the two sets of satellite images. One of Ukrainian arms buildup taken by Russians and another one taken by US satellites.

The US images are "purported", Russian are a "fact". Only a Ruskie ass-kisser would slip like this...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-26/satellite-images-reveal-massing...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:56 | 4744131 Overfed
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Where the fuck are all of these .gov sockpuppets coming from? We're not "pro-Russian". We're just sick to fucking death of our country's bullshit foreign policy, wars under false pretenses, an burgeoning welfare/warfare state. If a collapse is what takes to end that shit, then so be it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:09 | 4744189 sablya
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You say, "we" as if ZH was a religious organization - which it is to some extent. You've been deluded into thinking that economic collapse is a good thing. That is partly due to the Kremlin's multi-year effort to infiltrate media outlets such as ZH and bring public opinion to his side. It's amazing how dumb Americans are - you're more of a sock puppet than you realize.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:39 | 4744315 smacker
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I see you've called in .gov reinforcements to splatter the red downers.

{shrug}

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:53 | 4744362 Rock On Roger
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That is some heavy western propaganda you're shillling here.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:31 | 4744537 Emergency Ward
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You stated it much more concisely than my long-winded barrage.  Brevity is a good thing.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:21 | 4744387 Emergency Ward
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A Sunstein inspired "My Country Right or Wrong" muppet-troll trying to counteract the percieved pro-Russkie stance at ZH by using a chauvinistic America-interventionist tone, sophistry, straw man arguments, and selective citations from ZH to prove an unprovable bias.....

Now, does that mean that there are no Putin idolizers at ZH?  No.

Does it mean if people protest American clandestine (and overt) provocation and multi-billion-dollar funding of neo-nazis in Ukraine, they love Putin?  No.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:00 | 4744407 Overfed
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Economic collapse is certainly a bad thing, but I prefer it to a totalitarian fascist police state.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:38 | 4744770 sablya
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You can be sure that if/when the much-longed-for economic collapse comes, totalitarianism will be hot on its heels.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 17:11 | 4744839 smacker
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I believe very many American people are well aware of that risk and will watch out for it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:15 | 4744475 ebear
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 "It's amazing how dumb Americans are"

An attribute shared by many, the world over - a constant in the mathematical sense, which can therefore be factored out.

OTOH, if you're trying to persuade dumb Americans that their viewpoint is incorrect, I'd say you're wasting your time.  Like yourself, they've apparently already made up their minds.

So, your point was?


Fri, 05/09/2014 - 17:09 | 4744836 smacker
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Sure, I've heard abuse about Americans being dumb and stuff. But the articles posted on ZeroHedge, including a lot of Guest articles and thousands of comments which are thoughtful, well informed and witty, tell me that it's simply not true. It comes from people who are simply anti-American.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 21:09 | 4745362 ebear
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" tell me that it's simply not true."

It is true. Once you separate the wheat from the chaff, there's a lot of good info here.  My point was, since Sabya played the "dumb American" card, why would he bother trying to "enlighten" us dumbasses?  Kind of self-contradictory, isn't it?  

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:27 | 4744518 Emergency Ward
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Talking about religious organizations, I think I'll wander over to the Halls of Congress for a prayer session with Reid, McCain, Pelosi and Graham -- we can pray for some fnords to scare Putin away.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:39 | 4744561 Atticus Finch
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Yeah,I know! I've been told that some people get most of their information from the networks, which of course have no CIA infiltration.

I guess questioning has now become a sign of Kremlin infiltration and, of course, and I almost forgot "terrorism."

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:05 | 4744166 smacker
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"Zerohedge is very much pro-russian."

Don't agree at all. If you trawl back thru countless news articles penned by "Tyler" and quite a few guest articles about Ukraine, you will find quite a few - in my opinion - where they've been almost anti-Russian. I've commented a few times about that. Getting the balance exactly right is not easy especially if you're digging into events in some detail as ZH tries to do. Most MSM doesn't bother.

I suppose when I say the Ukraine crises has been 99% "deliberately manufactured" by Western governments and they're lying thru their teeth to disinform their own citizens, you will say that I'm "pro-Russian". Well, I'm not.

Sat, 05/10/2014 - 02:58 | 4745720 blentus
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Trying too hard...

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:02 | 4744420 rwe2late
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Sablya is attempting to use a phoney "even-handedness". (i.e. Putin is "bad", so we shouldn't care what our government, possibly also bad, does with regard to Russia)

The issue for most ZH readers is NOT whether the comparative corruption between nations provides some pretense, some excuse or exoneration for the actions of our government.

Instead it is whether the US (our) government should be policing the world to the advantage
of (in the old vernacular) banksters and death merchants.
We do not appreciate the corruption which endless war-making entails. Nor do we favor the growing police state which it also entails.
THAT is why we focus on US misdeeds and corruption ... because they are in a sense our own, and our own responsibility.
We are also responsible when our government provides support (especially military) to brutal dictators, drug lords, wahhabist sheikhs, neo-nazis, and apartheid governments.
Furthermore, many if not most at ZH,  do NOT support the UNREALISTIC belief that the war crimes, tortures, assassinations, unsavory alliances, lies, etc will all work out "in the end" because our government is so exceptional, and the motives of our leaders so selfless and lacking in hubris, that it will be "different this time".

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:33 | 4744545 Atticus Finch
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"Our government..."?? I'm sorry,do you really still believe that? The US Government is not "our" government and really never has been.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:34 | 4744761 sablya
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Sablya is attempting to use a phoney "even-handedness". (i.e. Putin is "bad", so we shouldn't care what our government, possibly also bad, does with regard to Russia)

 

You guys are something else.  It seems to me more like you guys are so anti-western/Fed/banker/elite/scumbag, that you're ready to hop into bed with Putin and suck his dick.  That's the way it seems.

I don't see any balance here at all from anyone.  What Putin is doing is wrong, and yet all I see is people posting in favor of Putin and Russia just because of the afrementioned disinclination and to the point of irrationality.  After being exposed to countless conspiracy ideas, y'all can't help but thing that the US/IMF/WTF is behind the regime change in Ukraine, and so forth.

What is wrong with deposing a major fucking turd like Yanukovych who embezzled countless millions from Ukraine, and who failed to do any single good thing for Ukraine, and who never would have?  The guy wasn't even a legitimate candidate for President with his criminal record.  He is the one who decided to flee from the Ukraine, no one forced him to go.

I suspect that if a great crowd of people deposed Obama and forced him to flee the country or axe-murdered the Fed chairman in her sleep, y'all would be doing high-fives and cracking open the champagne as the world crashed and burned - as long as gold/silver went up. ;-)

Seriously, talk about even-handedness is misplaced here, where there is no balance whatsoever.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 17:02 | 4744821 smacker
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"It seems to me more like you guys are so anti-western..."

Nope. I simply don't buy that.

What you are actually seeing is anger from people who expect their own governments to uphold standards of honesty, decency and ethics. Instead, they've handed over the reigns of government to a bunch of evil criminals in Wall Street and Washington (most of whom have little or zero interest in free market capitalism) and turned the country into a fascist police state to suppress dissent.

Give America back to the people, uphold the Constitution and you'll see true Americanism flourish and lead the world as it used to. A country that others aspire to emulate.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:54 | 4744803 smacker
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Indeed. A similar debate the other day.

Just because another country's leaders are also bad or worse, doesn't mean that our own are acceptable.

"A choice between two evils is not a choice".

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:37 | 4744062 rodonmeguro
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Bullseye.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:51 | 4744115 the not so migh...
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i have been drinking more vodka lately, but i don't think i am pro russian and i don't blame ZH

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:42 | 4744409 Continue With This
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What if you are right?

 What if  the Lubyanka boys are behind ZeroHedge. It could very well be.

But pause and think. Why is that necessarily a bad thing?


9/11 was a coup d'etat, where the shadow government of USSA made its first public statement: "we're here boys, yuppy kayyye mutha' fuckers".

After 9/11, USSA government and Pentagoons went all-in on the Middle East. Wreaking havok and and bringing only destruction.

What if Putin and his boys know more that we do, and what if he thinks that the guys that rule USSA, and the West in general, are one sadistic group of psychos, that want to start WW3, with nukes and basically destroy humanity?

In that case, maybe he decided, to at least try to wake up the citizenry in the West, with RT and ZeroHedge and other media outlets. To tell the westerners how badly they are being lied to.

 

Webster Tarpley

 

Matthias Chang speaks about MH730: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpL2il3cdE

This Chinese born, but citizen of Malaysia, secretary to a former PrimeMinister of Malaysia, has an interesting view about what might have happened to MH730.

I think that he is right. The plane that disappeared will probably be used in a false flag event, maybe with nukes involved, a false flag event that could be the match to start WW3.

 

Dude, we are living now in the time of False Flags used by USSA and UK to further a specific agenda.

By bet is that Russia, knows more than we do, and they probably recognize a demonic evil set against not just Russia, but the entire world. 

Maybe that is why RT is trying to bring light into matters many westerners have no idea about.

Maybe ZH is part of the same team RT is. Doesn't mean they are the evil guys.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:28 | 4744523 Atticus Finch
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You're a CIA/NSA stooge. Right? Think about it.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:14 | 4743956 Son of Captain Nemo
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I'm with Steven Lendman, something very big is most defintely coming Russia's way and Putin has been warned!

This is probably why Russia erred by not sending in troops a month ago to secure most of the Eastern Region.

Mr. Putin tell the World who really did 9/11! 

In order to avert another one like it that most probably will be far worse, it's not only in your interest but collectively the World's interest to come clean with the unvarnished Truth!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:56 | 4744130 rodonmeguro
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That's some heavy Russian propaganda in that link. You on the Russian payroll?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:54 | 4744358 Son of Captain Nemo
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"That's some heavy Russian propaganda in that link. You on the Russian payroll?"...

No scroto.

Actually like Steve Lendman most of us non-military, merc, intelligence agency, civil servant Americans have had enough of a war based economy based on multiple false narratives that have FUBAR'd your economy -i'm saying yours, cause I'm only guessing that you fall within one of those categories or are of a "dual citizen" extraction that allows other lemmings to fight it for you that believes we can win WWIII with body counts that will make WWI and II combined "blush"!

If 9/11 doesn't work for you personally then by all means take your pick of the many choices just within the last 50 years that the United States and Israeli governments have worked in tandem to forge that is so well respected for it's integrity and contributions to the rule of law that we now enjoy!

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:20 | 4744441 Continue With This
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Flight MH730 will be involved in the next False Flag event. It will probably involve nukes.

By the way, what happened with the disapperead nukes from the US?

 

Russia or Iran might get to be named as the culprits.

WW3 -> NWO -> Gods on Earth (the ultimate objective of the elite that rules the West).

 

But their plan will fail. Somehow. I hope.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:24 | 4744505 Matt
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Thousands of exclusion zones. Doesn't need a nuke, maybe just a non-nuclear EMP weapon.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:17 | 4743969 matrix2012
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2,000 Takfiri terrorist fighters being deployed from Syria into Kiev


A foreboding “urgent action bulletin” released by the Federal Security Services (FSB) states that President Putin this morning declared that a “State of Red War” now exists and has ordered an “immediate deployment” of the much feared and highly secretive Spetsgruppa A (Alpha Group) forces into Ukraine to counter the estimated 2,000 Takfiri terrorist fighters being deployed from Syria into Kiev by the Obama regime.

A “State of Red War” declaration means that a conflict within or outside of Russia’s borders endangers a “significant” number of Russian speaking peoples and could possibly soon escalate into a “State of Total War”, the latter which allows for the use of nuclear weapons and a full-scale deployment of military forces.

A large number of terrorist Takfiri fighters in Syria, who bear Saudi and Chechnian nationalities and receive financial and military backup from the Saudi intelligence agency, have been transferred to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, on several planes to help the Ukrainian army in its fight against the pro-Russian population,” an Arab security official told FNA on Sunday on the condition of anonymity due to the secrecy of the issue.

“The forces have been immediately dispatched to Kramatorsk city in Eastern Ukraine, and are now fighting beside the Ukrainian army forces against the pro-Russians under the name of militias who support the government,” the source added.

The source explained that Saudi Arabia seeks to take revenge from Russia and pro-Russian people in Ukraine due to Moscow’s support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the war on rebel groups."

Read it here and here.
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:47 | 4744098 JR
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Thanks, matrix. They are all here now and accounted for as the European Union adds its lies and power to the IMF propaganda war on Russia.

Putin, alone, now faces all the Federal Reserve System puppets at once: governments of the Western powers forced to stand with the U.S., NATO, EU, IMF, World Bank, the European Central Bank, CIA, FBI, Nuland's White House Ukraine Junta, the Congress of the United States, John McCain and his rabid Jewish Neocons and Yats' central banker, illegitimate, criminal, law-breaking gang in Kiev.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 16:15 | 4744701 Volkodav
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Nyet..Alpha is internal

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:18 | 4743979 ross81
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I guess it's a day of national mourning in Banderastan, AND we get to see Putin rubbing their faces in it with the Crimea visit.... lol, I'll drink to that!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:24 | 4743999 Quinvarius
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He didn't go to Crimea for a friggin parade.  And too much public nicey nicey from Putin lately.  I suspect this weekend is going to be it. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:28 | 4744014 unplugged
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Putin should loop-play the tape of Nudelman:  "FUCK THE EU!"

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:32 | 4744027 kchrisc
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Correction. I just found out that they were really protesting his not using a 'Mission Accomplished' banner." All invasions and annexations are required to be celebrated with a military plane PR stunt and have a "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background.

Who would have thunk it?!

 

"My guillotine has a 'Mission to Be Accomplished' banner hanging on it."

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:33 | 4744037 rodonmeguro
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Russia holds military parades and America holds gay rights parades; good luck America.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:17 | 4744153 Emergency Ward
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That's all right, the gay-rights crowd has come out in support of the Neo-Nazis in Ukraine so balance is retained.

 

FREE Pussy Riot (and send them to Occupy the White House to provoke some real hissy fits) !!

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:48 | 4744104 Spungo
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"the other living half would be under Nazi rule"

So I get to choose between being mass murdered by Stalin or mass murdered by Hitler? That seems like a great choice. Jews and various other ethnic groups were fleeing Germany in the Nazi era. People of all shapes and sizes continued to flee USSR long after WW2 ended. A lot of my teachers and college professors were Ukrainian, Polish, or Romanian.

All of these countries need to go fuck themselves. Russia is evil, the EU is evil, the US is evil. Just leave people alone already. Why is it so critical for every government in the world to be a puppet in one way or another?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 13:51 | 4744113 Creeps
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Is that a picture of Detroit or Chicago?

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:05 | 4744168 Zartan D
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Watching the EU leaders whine and sob is putting a smile on my face and joy in my heart. 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:24 | 4744248 PontifexMaximus
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Really, who cares about Ukraine? Be honest, it's just a nice distraction for a bit +/- on volatility in the markets and for the msm something to write about, but in the end,, again, who cares. (Watch Syria), a big, big yawn.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:51 | 4744352 no1wonder
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Great piece by columnist Brett Redmayne-Titley published today in Iranian media:

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/05/09/361886/dear-mr-putin/

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:51 | 4744354 basho
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fuck the EU.

ohh someone has already said that. LMAO

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 14:58 | 4744402 Bemused Observer
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If the EU and the IMF rolled into other countries with tanks instead of "loans", we'd see them for what they are. Maybe that would help us to see how this might be seen from a Russian POV...just sayin'. A single entity gobbling up so many countries has got to be seen as somewhat threatening to the superpower next door. Whether it's a 'hard' or 'soft' invasion and takeover doesn't matter to the bigger picture.

If that was happening in South America, and then Mexico did a 'Ukraine' and Russia and China were getting involved, we would be EXTREMELY upset.

And if Russia had spent the past few decades gradually surrounding us with their military presence, and had placed ballistic missiles in Canada, we might even decide to place our troops on the border. We might have good reason to suspect that something was coming.

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 15:53 | 4744614 Pressfiretostart
Fri, 05/09/2014 - 17:59 | 4744942 MarsInScorpio
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Sent to NY Times Foreign Desk, and Matt Drudge:

 

Kiev government sent in its "national guard", recently created out of various nationalistic formations, to suppress protesters in Mariupol (Donetsk region, south near the Black Sea).

 In this video, Kiev's forces are firing on unarmed civilians.

 

 0:26 man gets hit

 1:45 his shoulder bullet wound is shown

 3:09 civilian gets shot, another is apparently hit shortly thereafter

 4:04 aftermath, two civilians down, one likely dead, another one unclear

 

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1399635819

 

 

I told you first they will massacre the Russians, then Yulia's ethnic cleansers will come for the Jews.

 

You will have so much blood on your hands for backing these butchers.

 

 

Kenneth

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:08 | 4745451 ebear
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"Kiev government sent in its "national guard", recently created out of various nationalistic formations..."

Clearly they don't trust the regular army, and I don't mean the eastern units, some of which have already bugged out.  Therefore, I think it's only a matter of time before the Kiev regime is removed by the legitimate Ukraine military.

This would be a patriotic act aimed at preventing a civil war, and would have the support of the majority of Ukrainians, regardless of descent. Following this would come a series of national debates followed by free, independently verified elections.  Concurrent with this, tribunals for bringing to justice war criminals of both sides would send a clear message that any such tactic will not be tolerated in the future, regardless of the political outcome.

 

Fri, 05/09/2014 - 22:24 | 4745471 general ambivalent
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I have to wonder if this Canadian Day of Honour was initiated to coincide with the Russian Victory Day on purpose. Sounds like a conspiracy, but with the Progressive Currency Party it is around 95% certainty I think. CTV news just had 12 minutes of coverage, 3-4 separate stories before the first commercial regarding this Day of Honour where Harper's men had just months ago spit in the faces of veterans.

And now, after the sponsored break and the kidnapped kidnapped girls sideshow, Victory Day is said to be an insult and Putin's visit to Crimea an "incursion" which 'caused the violence in Mariupol'. Just unbelievable levels of propaganda, truly sick individuals behind this writing.

But there's this:

Harper's Red Line is an air show. (Although I suspect them being unarmed is untrue, or exaggerated to fund more military ponzi.)

"The CF-18s, which date back to the 1980s, are unarmed and provide what's being called a "visible presence" near Ukraine."

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/09/canadian-military-mission-to-easter...


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