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89% Of Donetsk Voters Pick Independence From Kiev; Ukraine Prepared To Fight To Defend Territory

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The east Ukraine referendum is over, and as widely expected, the vast majority have picked independence. From AFP's Marc Burleigh:

RIA adds that according to Ukraine rebels, the final turnout in the Donetsk vote was 74.87%.

Some comments from those voting for independence:

We are Russian. Of course we hope to be united with Russia," declared another early morning voter, 55-year-old businesswoman Galina.

...

"I voted against the Nazis in Kiev, which are supported by the U.S. and Europe. I voted for an independent Donbass," said the 63-year-old, referring to a largely pro-independence region in eastern Ukraine.

Here is Europe:

"What is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk does not make any sense," said French president Francois Hollande

 

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"Figures from fake referendums in Eastern Ukraine likely to be fake" Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt says on his Twitter account.

As for the Ukraine response, that too was in line with expectations:

"This is a step into the abyss for the regions," Oleksandr Turchynov said in comments posted on the presidential website Saturday.

 

...

 

Acting chief of the Ukrainian presidential administration Sergiy Pashinski said: "The turnout throughout the whole region amounts to zero as far as formalities are concerned.

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"I would like to underline one more time it's not a referendum. It is a desultory attempt by terrorists, bandits and killers to cover their activity by having citizens vote in Luhansk and Donetsk."

But most concerning is the following: "Ukraine’s army is ready to fight back should Russia attack it after referendums in Ukrainian eastern regions are completed, BBC reports, citing Head of Defense and Security Council Andriy Parubiy as saying in interview. Should Russia recognize referendums and take active steps against its neighbor, “I reiterate once again that Ukraine will defend its territory."

And since the Donetsk republic is now officially independent, if only in its and Putin's eyes, thereby giving Russia a green light to arrive and "keep the peace", the next and far more violent escalation in the Ukraine conflict now appears inevitable.

 

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Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:02 | 4748821 Devotional
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the EU does NOT recognise this referendum. I repeat, the EU does NOT recognise this referendum or any OTHER referendum - even EU referendums. The EU is an awesome democratic super state. got it? capische? Referendums are anti democratic. All hail the EU, bitchez.

/sarc

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:04 | 4748829 Troll Magnet
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Fuck the EU. Time for a Mossad operation in E. Ukraine. Say hello to Israel, Russian bitchez!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:05 | 4748838 Devotional
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No, the EU fucks you.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:28 | 4748872 ZerOhead
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"I reiterate once again that Ukraine will defend its territory."

 

As we all agree that the Ukraine should.

Unfortunately for the neoNazis and fascist thugs that just no longer includes Crimea and parts of the East.

The silver lining however is that they now have fewer voters who will vote against the Nazi/Fascist/Nationalist/IMF/Obama-sanctioned thug-run government currently in charge.

I think we can safely call this a Win/Win.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:31 | 4748900 kliguy38
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I think we can safely say the "real" end game is about to go hot......and that should cover the supercycle debt implosion very nicely

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:07 | 4748918 ZerOhead
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Nope... the global elite do not like it when their precious downwind assets get irradiated or otherwise destroyed.

You are about to witness what an Obama (or whoever else is in front of the teleprompter) NeoCon government will eventually do to it's own citizens if they fail to obey. It won't be pretty and Putin will almost certainly do nothing to stop it.

Obama owns whatever happens next.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:37 | 4749052 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"Acting chief of the Ukrainian presidential administration Sergiy Pashinski said: "The turnout throughout the whole region amounts to zero as far as formalities are concerned."

Of course... because your formalities don't include voting, which is why you're in power. Tell us something we don't know Sergay.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:54 | 4749099 spine001
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Despite a large majority of British citizens and parliament wanting a referendum on wether to stay in the EU. Several years have passed and they are still waiting for the opportunity to vote. That spells it out like nothing else that we don't live in a Democracy. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:24 | 4749174 tmosley
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So you're telling me people would rather go with Putin than get murdered by insane thugs?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 22:51 | 4749693 strannick
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Ukrainians fighting for the IMF and Fascist Oligarchs that exploit them. Fighting for the right to take on unpayable IMF debt and society killing austerity. Fighting against subsidized Russian oil. This is the opposite of biting the hand that feeds you. Its polishing the jackboot of the foot that kicks you in the balls.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:21 | 4749760 buyingsterling
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spot on

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 03:00 | 4750034 Lore
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Only good things come from the EU.  My local newspaper says so.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 01:27 | 4749934 yatikto
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Something like this?

 

 

 

http://youtu.be/S-l36iR1PR4

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:33 | 4748922 TahoeBilly2012
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When the US lie machine hits new lows...be concerned at home.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:56 | 4749284 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Do you think our gay military is realy going to put up a good fight against the Russians? The MIC low is here and here to stay a while.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:34 | 4748910 Pure Evil
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Well, I guess now the ball's in Putin's court.

Gonna be a delicate tightrope walk on this one.

Don't believe it'll be as easy as Crimea.

For one, larger land mass.

Can it be done?   

Yes, but at the expense of how many dead people.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:11 | 4748995 giggler321
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It'll cost Putin to bring them into the Russian Federation, is the price worth it since they got Crimea?  Easiest way to ensure unity is to cut the fuel off and see who stand's with team IMF/EU, then let them sort it out with some kind of proxy war internally.

Let's face it, the EU would not recognise anything that was not in their interest.  Ofcourse it might help to hear at this time from China, if they recognise it, that would be harder for the EU which is trying to be China friendly, to then say no.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:30 | 4749030 knukles
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Can it be done?
Well, heavens!
The people have voted, counted fair and square by Mr Dieboldski and they want to be part of the New Glorious Soviet.
Vlad the Impaler of Hopes and Dreams will thence move to protect those Self Appointed, Newly Recognized Soviet Subjects.
To which Fuck All Nobody is Going to Fight Seriously.

Well, maybe Opie will make a speech threatening paralyzing boycotts or whatever, the EU will wring its hands loudly while swinging and swaying to the bearded transvestite artiste who it was known before it even sang was going to win the horseshit waste of EuroVision in the interest of diversity and allthatkindashit and nobody else gives a rats ass.. other than the Rothschilds, Warburgs, IMF et al...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:33 | 4749045 Dublinmick
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I understand they used paper ballots knucklehead and not the Israeli made Diebold machines knucklhead.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:47 | 4749088 knukles
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I understand that.  Mr Diebold was an analogy for it matters not how they voted... what matters is who counted the votes...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:30 | 4749378 Blammo
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Hard to imagine an 89% (near unanimous) vote on anything.

Do you like ice cream?

Maybe if the lactose intolerant abstain!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:44 | 4749412 Pure Evil
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At least 89% of the vote that went to Obama was real.

The rest were dead people, those that voted more than once, and probably a good majority of the dog population in all the libtard population centers.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:29 | 4749530 BlindMonkey
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Mr Evil.  My dog is perfectly capable of deciding for himself. In the last presidential election, he decided to abstain and lick his balls rather than come with me to the polling station.

Given the benefit of hindsight, I should have taken his lead. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 22:57 | 4749724 StychoKiller
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Personally, I don't think you should lick yer dog, 'nads or otherwise! :>D

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:24 | 4749766 TheMeatTrapper
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"Hard to imagine an 89% (near unanimous) vote on anything."

Come to Alabama. Have a vote on Obamacare. Let the blacks vote in one election and the whites vote in another. 

You will have two elections each having an 89% vote. One for, one against.

It's pretty obvious that the Ukraine needs to separate and go their separate ways. 

Of course, just like Lincoln would not allow the South to go their own way, the IMF will not allow the east Ukraine to go it's own way.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:45 | 4749243 Mine Is Bigger
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I really don't think Putin is interested in absorbing East Ukraine.  The way it is going, the Kiev regime will probably lose the support of the rest of the country soon enough.  I think sending troops to fire upon its own citizens who haven't done any harm to anyone is unacceptable to all Ukrainians, except for a small number of criminals and psychos. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:14 | 4749494 Pure Evil
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Keep the White House, the State Department, and all their sycophant retards, McCain, Graham, et al, out of it.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:27 | 4749364 mccvilb
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"Yes, but at the expense of how many dead people."

 

At the very least 400 for sure.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:37 | 4748919 DogOfSinope
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Based on what happened in Crimea:

"I reiterate once again that Ukraine will defend its territory! ;-)"

(wink, wink, giggle, snort)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:08 | 4748846 max2205
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So.....They stay in the Ukraine

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:04 | 4748967 Boogity
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 Hell, Mossad can't even handle Palestinain teenage boys using 30 year old rebuilt AK-47's and IED's made out of used cell phone parts.  The Speznaz will make short work of them .   

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:12 | 4748999 yochananmichael
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and why would mossad support the nazis of western Ukraine?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 22:59 | 4749727 StychoKiller
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Politics makes extremely strange bedfellows!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:05 | 4748837 Max Damage
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Every time the EU has lost a referendum, they had another until they got the result. And then they took over. The EU is a cancer that needs cutting out for the sake of those who live in it. I hate the EU and its powermad socialist shitheads that run it

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:36 | 4749056 Amish Hacker
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Kind of like election results in Florida?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:08 | 4748844 lolmao500
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The EU. LOL. Remember how it was built? Yeah NO VOTING FOR YOU!! YOU JOIN BY FORCE!! And if by some miracle some countries were allowed to vote... well... YOU VOTE TILL YOU JOIN!! 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:55 | 4748949 BurningFuld
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Well, you don't join Russia. Russia joins you.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:28 | 4749775 buyingsterling
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If Russia had wreaked a fraction of the damage to our allies that American foreign policy has done to Russia's allies and friends, the neocons would have long ago urged a nuclear strike.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:32 | 4748902 LetThemEatRand
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"the EU does NOT recognise this referendum."

Silly rabbit.  Elections are for ___.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:50 | 4748941 FreeSlave
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Ukrainian solders shooting at civilians at the entrance of voting facility.

here is one of them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOg4e7pLJus one young man gets killed, and some injured...

one more:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXyP4uGb5A

one more injured at 8 minute 20th second, and one killed at 12:41... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWGkVRh1MQ

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:16 | 4749008 sushi
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“It is regrettable that separatists who are causing so much disruption to the lives of ordinary citizens are going ahead with their illegitimate, so-called referendum today," a U.K. Foreign Office spokesman said. "All Ukrainians will have a proper opportunity to express their democratic choice in the forthcoming presidential elections on 25 May. The focus must be on ensuring that free and fair elections can go ahead in a calm and stable environment."

 

So the UK views it as "regrettable" that the people of Ukraine are invoking their democratic will but the UK does not view as regrettable the fact that the USSA acted to promote the overthrow of a duly elected Ukrainian govt they did not like, and that the members of the EU have also participated in this coup though a failure to condemn it. In fact they recognized the oligarchs who managed the coup but refuse to acknolwedge the democratic will of the people.

Shows the degree of contempt the leaders of western "democracies" have for their electorate and for the democratic process.

FUCK THE EU

FUCK THE USSA

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:33 | 4749046 knukles
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MI6 was more than a little active here, too, don't forget.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:34 | 4749550 BlindMonkey
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I have only seen info on US involvement.  Please support your claim with a source.  Gracias

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:24 | 4749765 American Dreams
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First things first.  Kill the messenger, new ones will be harder to find.

hehe

AD

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 01:32 | 4749937 yatikto
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Ukraine sends in army and treats them as foreigners.

So, suprise, surprise they don't want to be a part of Ukraine.

 

color me shocked.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:28 | 4749032 Millivanilli
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The European Commission is a permanent unelected body of 17 people appointed by national Governments for 5 years or more. Responsible for most EU law, which passes directly into UK law, the Commission is aided by an army unelected officials (a sort of 'Uncivil Service'). The UK Parliament is helpless to amend or reject any of it. Such law is secretly made behind closed doors. The Commission President has a virtual veto over who becomes a Commissioner and provides "political guidance" to all Commissioners.

President Von Rumpuy... Unelected.
Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:32 | 4749042 Volkodav
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awe some is not how I would describe eu/europe...

http://time.com/95281/conchita-wurst-eurovision/

more like lost...

 

 

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:35 | 4749050 knukles
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"It" won before the contest even began ....
What could be more inclusive than a bearded tranny winning a display of cultural "vision" ...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:28 | 4749776 TheMeatTrapper
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Don't forget that the NFL has now drafted a black homosexual who kissed his white boyfriend on national TV. 

The American people don't deserve what is coming - they deserve worse. They are the enablers. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:24 | 4749176 zerocash
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I am Dutch and I voted NO in a referendum that was deemed illegal by the EU in 2005. The referendum about the EU Constitution. Thankfully the Dutch Government rejected the results of the referendum (most voters were overwhelmingly against accepting the EU Constitition) and pushed for the Treaty of Lisbon the next year (which had nearly the exact same text as the proposed EU Constition). I have since seen the errors of my ways. Hallowed are the Eurocrats!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:39 | 4749209 rubiconsolutions
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What about the 11% that voted against the referendum? Are the just shit out outta luck? That's the problem with democracy, even American style reprehensible, er, reprsentative democracy. Those in the minority are left with their fannies hanging out in the breeze. Democracy is bloodsport.

"The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that—however bloody—can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave." - Lysander Spooner

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:37 | 4749559 BlindMonkey
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"Democracy is bloodsport."

 

Hence the reason for a representative republic in the U.S.   Fat lot of good it did keeping the oligarchy from power but that was the intent. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:32 | 4749781 TheMeatTrapper
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"What about the 11% that voted against the referendum? Are the just shit out outta luck? "

No. Just like the Founders envisioned here, they can vote with their feet. They can pack their shit up and move to greener pastures. 

The problem is not with individual State sovereignty, the problem is centralized control. 

Let the people in the west of Ukraine do their own thing, and let the people in the east do their own thing. 

I'm perfectly happy letting all the libtards in Alabama move to California, and letting all the productive people in California move to Alabama. 

When all the moocher fucksticks move in together, they can reap the benefits of their collective mindset. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:19 | 4751322 rubiconsolutions
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"Just like the Founders envisioned here, they can vote with their feet. They can pack their shit up and move to greener pastures."

That is bullshit. Vote with their feet? Are you kidding me? That is not at all what the founders envisioned. What they envisioned, if you've read their personal papers and the Declaration of Independence is that people be left alone. Period. No where - and I challenge you to show me otherwise - did they suggest anything close to what you said. They didn't suggest that if someone didn't like the way things were going they should just leave their home or some variation of "America, love it or leave". Their intent was that individuals be left alone and to their own devices as long as they did not agress against anyone else. You're absolutely crazy if you believe otherwise. Or a product of the government schools. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:41 | 4749403 Lumberjack
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They didn't build that...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 01:51 | 4749972 August
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The Russian Army has already paid courtesy visits to Berlin and Paris; soon it will be time for a tour of Brussels.

(I know.... just wishful thinking)

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 06:01 | 4750136 sethstorm
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The EU (and the rest of the civilized world) won't recognize a Russian farce.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:03 | 4750251 doctor10
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Hehe-another "business decision" by the voters. Voting themselves out from under the EU Bankerz lash.  Could be a dangerous precedent if allowed to spread.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:06 | 4748822 ZerOhead
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"This is a step into the abyss for the regions," Oleksandr Turchynov said...

Oh fuck... with help from the CIA, FBI and IMF he's going to kill them all just like Yulia Tymoshenko demanded...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:03 | 4748826 Max Damage
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People taken over by US backed Nazis are not terrorists. Sick of the disgusting language coming out of the western press. these twats will kill us all if it meant they ruled what was left

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:07 | 4748836 10mm
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Those soilders see the writting on the wall. They will either perish or walk.Hopefully walk.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:07 | 4748842 blabam
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Bullish.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:52 | 4748944 bigkahuna
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DOW up 300. -lol

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:08 | 4748988 TheRideNeverEnds
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yup

 

war = bullish

peace = bullish

 

no matter which way this thing breaks expect the market to go substantially higher on the news.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:12 | 4748850 ebworthen
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Sweet.

Vlad, roll the tanks to protect democracy.

It will be more than the U.S. has done to protect democracy in the past 20 years.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:33 | 4748905 TheSecondLaw
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I am savouring the irony of an autocratic ex-KGB thug like Putin being in the position where he can legitimately rise in defence of democracy - a referendum, afterall, being one of the cornerstones of democracy.  How the tables have turned:  Russia defends democracy while the Western powers undermine it.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:00 | 4748945 DogOfSinope
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Yeah. It also defends freedom of speech (Snowden) and is strong advoceate for the rule of international law (Iraq, Lybia, Syria).

As Plato pondered, some came out of the dark and saw the things around them for what they are in a broad light. Some other were born on the light but got blinded by it and fell into abyss...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:21 | 4749021 Volkodav
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You use the same tired labels as the rabid Russian bashing media teaches?

I think you know little truth about the Russian President.

 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 01:53 | 4749977 August
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Leader of the Free World, baby.  Leader of the Free World.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 06:01 | 4750135 sethstorm
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Only if you're referring to the US in general and not the lead of the Executive department, a BRIC country, or a NATO-defined Third World country.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 05:59 | 4750133 sethstorm
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Except that he won't, and can't do so in a rigged poll.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:32 | 4748908 Overfed
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When has the US ever protected democracy or better yet, freedom?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 05:58 | 4750132 sethstorm
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The past 50+ years, but then that doesn't sound well if you were on the business end of US military hardware.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:34 | 4750666 TimmyB
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Who's freedom or democracy did we ever protect over the last 50 years? Please supply a few facts in support of that bold claim.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:59 | 4752463 Overfed
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Examples? I sure can't think of any.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:15 | 4748860 PaperBear
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The Kiev coup government doesn't give a damn about the self-determination of any part of Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:19 | 4748866 ObamaDepression
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I fully expect the results to mirror the Crimean referendum.

But which results?:

he official Crimean election results, as reported widely in the Western press, showed a 97 percent vote in favor of annexation with a turnout of 83 percent. No international observers were allowed.

Or the accidental release:

According to this purported report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout of Crimean voters was only 30 percent. And of these, only half voted for the referendum–meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-...

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:26 | 4748889 Volkodav
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idiot

Crimea is still celebrating

You know nothing about Crimea.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:32 | 4748894 ebworthen
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From the Author Paul Roderick Gergory's own bio:  " I am also a research professor at the German Institute for Economic Research Berlin".

*cough*

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:59 | 4748966 DogOfSinope
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NSA or GCHQ sock puppet?

Man, seems that hiring standard there really deteriorated...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:04 | 4748977 ZerOhead
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Budget cuts... it's hurting everyone.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:13 | 4749328 TheFourthStooge-ing
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ObamaRepression, lying shill for Vichy DC, said of the Crimean referendum that

No international observers were allowed.

Total bullshit.

http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/

Would you be so kind to explain why you've chosen to spread this particular lie?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:06 | 4749472 ObamaDepression
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Well if the Kremlin controlled RT says so, it must be true.

Look, I'm not shilling for anyone. I certainly don't trust the propaganda coming from either side. I'm just not stupid enough to believe that Puty, the former Soviet KGB turned Oligarch thug of Russia is going to be honest about anything.

What's total bullshit is believing anything at face value that is reported, especially by the Russian controlled media which may just be a little biased.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:46 | 4749580 BlindMonkey
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"I'm just not stupid enough to believe that Puty, the former Soviet KGB turned Oligarch thug of Russia is going to be honest about anything."

 

A most interesting phenomenon I have observed in time: A side with the truth on their side will use it like a club against the other.  The U.S. has been using the same propaganda template in the Arab Spring as well as Ukraine. It is wearing thin and the people of Ukraine that are Russian are chaining none of it. 

Putin doesn't have to resort to naked propaganda here. He just has to expose the truth. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:37 | 4749792 TheMeatTrapper
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The bottom line, ObamaDepression, is the we have NO reason to be involved at all. Period. 

Why don't you focus on that? Why don't you demand that we obey our laws? Our Constitution? 

I haven't heard you say a DAMN thing about us - only them. Why? 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 05:53 | 4750126 TheFourthStooge-ing
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ObamaRepression, liar and shill on ZH for 6 weeks 4 days, said:

Look, I'm not shilling for anyone. I certainly don't trust the propaganda coming from either side.

You seem to trust the propaganda from the forbes.com article that you linked to, since you posted it to the comments of at least three other ZH articles.

What is your mission?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 05:55 | 4750130 sethstorm
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While you use the Russian state media to counter his point?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:20 | 4748867 krispkritter
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 "I voted against the Nazis in Kiev, which are supported by the U.S...." These people get it a lot better than most of the sheeple I know here in the US. When's Obammy gonna show up waving a 'Mission Accomplished' banner? After he drops a nuke?  What a shitshow.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:19 | 4748869 fonzannoon
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Rumor is the S&P 500 refrained from voting, as it was not even aware of a situation going on in Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:28 | 4748881 Dr. Engali
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Who fucking cares? Obviously the important story is whether or not the NFL was going to draft a gay man. It was Drudge's top story all damn weekend! Now we get to talk about the kiss. I don't give a damn about a person's sexuality, but for cripes sake is this all we have to talk about? This is what we have come to? This country is completely fucked.

Here... Here is some real breaking news:

Both sides protect the status fucking quo:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/205792-boehner-house-wont-arrest-lerner

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:30 | 4748899 fonzannoon
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yeah no kidding. all weekend lead story is gay nfl guy getting drafted. then the kiss. now some guy tweets "awful" and so we need to discuss that. somehow this is bullish and also a fucking never ending nightmare.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:36 | 4748917 Dr. Engali
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It's frustrating as hell, but the most frustrating thing is knowing the sheep want to be distracted with trivial things. The real world is too fucking scary for them.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:53 | 4749066 knukles
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I'm with you on this, Doc.
Like who the fuck cares whether the guy likes boys, girls, dogs, seep, snakes, fish or whatever.
The question before the NFL Draft is can he play ball.
This is what a society manipulated into defining life by exception, quotas, rules and public opinion devolves.

If the "Establishment" really cared about the man's sexual orientation, it would not even be mentioned.
Instead, it becomes a third rate bit of tripe, the man's whole being devolved into circus, for other malevolent controlling purposes.

If any owner was smart he'd just say out loud, yell it; "I don't care about his sexual orientation.  I own a fucking football team.  Can he play ball?"

And BTW, I don't think this is a situation of the sheeple being diverted.  Most don't care about this or the bearded tranny winning EuroVision.  Most are aware there's a hidden agenda in stuff like this.  Football fans don't care who he screws in the showers at halftime.  They care about the points on the board.  etc... Just my take....
The MSM needs serious electro-shock therapy treatment.

 

Preferably while ripped on LSD

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:11 | 4749326 nmewn
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In general agreement but being the contrarian SOB I am...

...doesn't anyone find it the slightest bit odd how Tim Tebow was almost "fed to the lions" in the press for wearing his beliefs & opinions on his sleeve but this guy is a rock star, with reporters standing by hanfing on every word? He's not the first ghey football player afterall.

Maybe the press are the ones we should be concerned about, regarding concussions ;-)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:41 | 4749407 Dr. Engali
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Good point.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:08 | 4749133 general ambivalent
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He just said Miley isn't real! Get the pitchforks!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:37 | 4750675 TimmyB
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I don't think the sheep decide what propaganda and distractions the mass media shows them. Kinda blaming the victims here.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:54 | 4749282 Seek_Truth
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Until American males boycott the NFL it will make absolutely no difference.

Dead serious.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 01:38 | 4749950 yatikto
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well, the story in europe is how bearded lady won a eurovision contest.   I think its a guy in a dress, but I can see the other side too.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:40 | 4748924 Winston Churchill
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Holder first, a seniority thing.
Its the only real power congress has left and boner will not use it.What a farce.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:44 | 4748934 tony wilson
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gay darling thats so 2012 lover

rothschild soros funded transgender is the new hipster soho thing.

get with the programme bitch

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:38 | 4749796 American Dreams
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Being serious here, what in the hell is a transgender?  Help me out Tony.

confused

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Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:20 | 4749016 DogOfSinope
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Can be worse. We just last evening got a bearded transvestite as the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:41 | 4749068 Volkodav
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Here TIME tells their readers how they are supposed to believe that hurts Russia...

http://time.com/95281/conchita-wurst-eurovision/

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:54 | 4749100 knukles
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Propaganda

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:12 | 4749144 general ambivalent
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Holy shit, Orwell's a hacker, beyond the grave.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:29 | 4749182 Dr. Engali
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Time has readers?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:19 | 4749347 nmewn
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Yes, other members of the media of course...lol.

Otherwise they would not know what to nod approvingly about or give the rote "Thats an excellent question Buffy" qualifier to when stroking each others ego's on national TV ;-)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:18 | 4749505 matrix2012
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Volkodav, the problem is that most ZHers dont read TIME... me esp. don't read TIME, for it's a waste :-) 

 

it's the TPTB agenda to promote those LGBTs to the front seats worldwide... for some wicked purposes.

yet sheeples remain sheeples, they're too blind and too deaf to know anything but the stuffs that are shoved down into their throats.

 

following link is not new, some others may have newer info; however i like this one cuz of its visual effects, it has the pics of those top hogs in control of the mouthpieces!!

http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-big-media/

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:23 | 4749027 slightlyskeptical
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You obviously thought it important enough to pollute this thread with it. Truth is I only heard of the gay football player from ZeroHedge. You are either the problem or you are the problem.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:23 | 4749132 Dr. Engali
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You are obviously too dense to get the point, so I will spell it out for you. There are real events taking place that have the potential to cause major harm to the world yet the important "news" of the day is a gay NFL player. And yes I have a problem with the masses being distracted with non-news.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:46 | 4749417 krispkritter
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 "You are either the problem or you are the problem"  'Hello, Department of Redundancy of Department, Hello?'  Fuuuck, is it really necessary to explain this shit two, three, umpteen times? 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:25 | 4748885 PaperBear
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What colonial America did in 1776 by seceding from the British empire, regions of eastern Ukraine has just done in 2014 by seceding from Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:42 | 4748928 Winston Churchill
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No referendum on that one, chances were it would have failed.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:28 | 4749033 ThisIsBob
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The delegates from the colonies voted.  It was unanimous except New York which abstained.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:41 | 4749801 American Dreams
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Never did like New York

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 03:46 | 4750061 effendi
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A bunch of delegates who represented but a faction of the overall population is not the same thing as a referendum.

Who among those delegates represented women. blacks, Indians,the poor or loyalists? That was around 80% of the population not represented.

No different than 9 in black or 500 odd in gravy thinking that their will represents the people.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:25 | 4748887 vyeung
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don't make sense - Of course it does not make sense to the Fascist. How can you argue with such an vote. You can't blame the Russian's now as these are Ukraine citizen's.

If I lived there I'd want to go back to Russia, atleast I won't get shot for no reason and be victim of Nazi/fascist in power.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:27 | 4748891 Intelligence_In...
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Democracy.......WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:28 | 4748893 QQQBall
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The gay guy got drafted at the end. Public relations backlash overted. Bullsih for robes in St. Louis.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:45 | 4748935 Who was that ma...
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Not "gay", uterophobic.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:46 | 4748936 Pure Evil
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But, the real question keeping the audience on the edge of its seats is,........

How long before the NFL starts celebrating gay pride like they celebrate Breast Cancer Awareness?

Can you imagine all the NFL players wearing the rainbow colors of the gay mafia, just like they wear pink for the Breast Cancer Awareness mafia?

It's a shame June is the official Gay Pride month, just think of all the parades and all the man-tail-gate parties that could be held every year during the NFL regular season.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:52 | 4748943 Dr. Engali
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I'm glad the NFL drafted a gay guy. We wouldn't want him being judged for his talent.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:36 | 4749055 TomGa
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Not to be homophobic or some such bullshit (gasp!), but this gives "NFL" an entirely new meaning.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:01 | 4749298 Seek_Truth
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There's no such thing as "homophobic". Find me one person who "fears" sodomites.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:46 | 4749418 Pure Evil
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Homophobic, not that there's anything wrong with it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 04:18 | 4750071 Dull Care
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It's an interesting point. The breast cancer awareness wear pink bullshit is hardly tolearble. It's clear that the NFL and Pro Sports have gone to the dark side with the Cultural Marxism.  If they go full bore like you suggest, they seriously risk losing a huge chunk of their following. I know I would never watch a game again.

 

The vast majority of fags don't like football. It'd be a stupid business decision but why should straight white men be allowed to enjoy something without being made to feel like monsters?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:17 | 4749156 Clowns on Acid
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He'll start the season as a tight end but finish the year as a wide receiver....

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:58 | 4748904 buzzsaw99
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Go wash Gaspargo, you lost! [/LaBoeuf, True Grit 1969]

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:34 | 4748920 TomGa
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Time to get a fresh 12-pack and pop the popcorn...  Fortunately I've recently restocked the mancave / manbunker for just such events.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:38 | 4748921 Jack Burton
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Obama will declare East Ukraine a terrorist safe haven and begin drone attacks of schools, wedding parties and local road traffic. Obama predicts a 100% kill rate on terrorists and no civilian casualties. Drone operators will be given special medals for galant service, and treatment for their Post Traumatic Stress. Select little old ladies who acceted as election judges will be kidnapped and sent to secret Obama torture prisions in Poland where the multiple water boardings will get the truth out of them. If these steeps to fight terror fail, the USA is obligated as the world's exceptional nation to preserve freedom and democracy by hiring Al-Qaeda and Nazis to begin a peaceful protest movement against the terrorist cities of East Ukraine. Obama can provide the freedom fighters with anti aircraft and anto tank missiles along with all the small arms needed to begin to take back these areas for the free world.

Obama was not given the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, he is obligated as leader of the free world to defend freedom, civil rights, social justice and democracy against the terrorist voters of East Ukraine.

Obama and the US Congress are the last lines of defense in the battle of freedom against the terrorists. America stands proud and should be willing to send in our military to secure the freedoms the world has grown used to us protecting.

We are all Kiev Nazis now, we must stand with them as they struggle for their place in the world. Right Sector freedom fighters and other assorted allies of America deserve our support against the voting grandmas of Donetsk.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:44 | 4748932 Dr. Engali
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I think I'm going to puke.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:51 | 4748942 ZerOhead
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The armed Nazi thugs are going to go apeshit on the East.

It will be Obama ordered Odessa massacre X 1,000.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:03 | 4748970 bigkahuna
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Nope, he's going to continue golfing and we are going to do the same thing this week that we did the last - the DOW is going through the roof and a bunch more businesses will close - more will drop out of job seeking and go on welfare - congress/senate/executive/judiciary will continue to undermine the country - same stuff, different week. In the end, we will get what we deserve.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:06 | 4749312 Aussiekiwi
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Fortunately we can blame the weather now for bad figures for everything, the perfect scapegoat.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:58 | 4748957 navy62802
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We would have a third world war on our hands if that happened. Shit we might have WWIII anyway.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:18 | 4749013 DogOfSinope
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We just last evening got a bearded transvestite as the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a nuclear holocaust - it won't be a minute too soon.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:10 | 4749140 navy62802
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Depending on my mood, I tend to agree.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:43 | 4749078 JR
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These US/EU/Kiev puppets, when you pull their little strings, their little mouths move. Big surprise.

But, there is a world superpower next door this time, and a large population of people who don’t want to be subjugated by outsiders and, eventually, they will appeal to Russia for protection, and when they do, they will get it.

The American government, by backing the illegal coup d’etat in Kiev both politically and militarily with guns and money and mercenaries - as well as every other government that backs it - is backing illegality. Therefore, these governments have lost their right to say that the voting by these people is illegal.

People have to get rid of these politicians who speak only for themselves and not for their people -  simply for another new Mercedes or mansion in Hawaii.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:38 | 4748923 Seasmoke
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OK. Let's vote again. Until you people get it right. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:44 | 4748931 Son of Captain Nemo
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"This is a step into the abyss for the regions," Oleksandr Turchynov said in comments posted on the presidential website Saturday.

For you Mr. Turchhynov "yes" indeed it is?

In the not too distant future you may be a disembodied head searching for the end of a stick!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:53 | 4748946 ZerOhead
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It will happen.

Kharma has a way of catching up to thugs.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 17:48 | 4748939 navy62802
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Game, set and match once the Russian ground forces roll in.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:05 | 4748980 hairball48
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Chics that roll their R's are sexy :)

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:32 | 4749043 q99x2
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Blackwater dudes just got a bad deal. They should have asked for more money. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:44 | 4749059 Dublinmick
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Americans were only told they seceded, George Washington was a mason. They still needed a relatively strong America to murder the indians, build infrastructure, dig the gold and silver in exchange for monoploy money and act as a foreiign army. And of course it is good entertainment to have the peasants providing theatre to the elite by yammering about how free they are when London is still printing the money and acting with the vatican and Frankfurt bankers. It must be humorous for them to have shills writing about how the DC empire wants to take over the world and are dragging those poor people from the IMF and UN along with them. All of this doesn't seem to register with Americans unfortunatly no matter how many times it is explained to them. Once those nueral pathways are established in the brain they are difficult to reroute.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:40 | 4749062 Goldilocks
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Linkin Park - In The End (Official Music Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU (3:37)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:42 | 4749070 rodonmeguro
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Stalin slaughters 20 or so million Ukranians and gives their land to Russians; now the land is Russian. Took a while, but it worked.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:51 | 4749085 Dublinmick
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It took yahwee much longer to annex Palestine

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:56 | 4749106 Volkodav
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You don't seem to know much correct fact about this subject.

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