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East Ukraine Votes For Independence: Turnout Reported "Off The Charts"

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The most significant geopolitical event of the day is the east Ukraine independence referendum taking place in various cities across the region, less than two months after the Crimean case study which saw the region split away from Ukraine and join Russia, despite the fervent warnings by Kiev and the west that the result of the "rigged election" would not be accepted by anyone. As it turned out then, it only needed to be accepted by Russia which promptly took over the Black Sea territory.

Today's vote is a carbon copy of what happened in Crimea, with the locals almost certain to vote in Independence from Kiev (even over Putin's "objections" who has managed to distance himself from the vote if quite willingly will accept its outcome), followed by another vote that annexes east Ukraine (and subsequently Transnistria) to Russia which may be held as soon as May 18, promptly followed by the adoption of the Ruble as the regional currency.

All while the west once again, in a desperate example of futility does nothing, but merely warns of more "costs", sanctions and claims this too referendum was illegal. The same west which, as a reminder had no problem with a violent voup in Kiev three months ago despite a signed agreement by western leaders that saw the existing government in power until late 2014. The same west which now sternly refuses to recognize what, at least superficially, is a democratic referendum.

As a reminder, this is what most likely will be the final outcome of today's events:

For the details of what happens on the ground, we go to Reuters:

Separatist rebels pressed ahead with a referendum on self-rule in east Ukraine on Sunday and fighting flared anew in a conflict that has raised fears of civil war and pitched Russia and the West into their worst crisis since the Cold War.

 

In Mariupol, scene of fierce fighting last week, there were only eight polling centres for half a million people. Queues grew to hundreds of metres in bright sunshine, the event taking on an almost festive atmosphere as one polling station overflowed and ballot boxes were brought out onto the street.

 

Clashes broke out around a television tower on the outskirts of the rebel stronghold of Slaviansk shortly before voters made their way to polling stations through streets blocked by barricades of felled trees, tyres and rusty machinery.

 

"I wanted to come as early as I could," said Zhenya Denyesh, a 20-year-old student, second to vote at a concrete three-storey university building. "We all want to live in our own country."

 

Asked what he thought would follow the vote, organised in a matter of weeks by rebels, he replied: "It will still be war."

Oddly mature for his age, and yes - Ukraine's violent response is only a matter of time: "Ukraine's Interior Ministry called the referendum a criminal farce, its ballot papers "soaked in blood". One official said that two thirds of the territory had declined to participate." The US response was just as terminal. Via the NYT:

A State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the United States would not recognize the results of the votes. She said the referendums “by armed separatist groups are illegal under Ukrainian law, and are an attempt to create further division and disorder,” adding that if they proceed, “they will violate international law and the territorial integrity of Ukraine.”

Far more importantly, should Ukraine be split in two - either peacefully, or through a civil war - the IMF's bailout money ends, which after all is what this is all about.

However, while this would mean the end of the Kiev government which would be promptly swept out of power should the western money trickle to a halt, the eastern locals couldn't care less:

Engineer Sergei, 33, voting in the industrial centre of Mariupol, said he would answer "Yes" to the question on the ballot paper, printed in Russian and Ukrainian: "Do you support the act of state self-rule of the Donetsk People's Republic?"

 

"We're all for the independence of the Donetsk republic," he said. "It means leaving behind that fascist, pro-American government (in Kiev), which brought no one any good."

Just as important is that the local population has no illusions about what happens next:

Some see a "Yes" vote as endorsement of autonomy within Ukraine, some as a move to independence and others as a nod to absorption by Russia.

 

Annexation is favoured by the more prominent rebels, but the ambiguity may reflect their fears an explicit call for full "independence" might not have garnered the support they seek and could leave them in an exposed position towards Kiev.

The NYT focuses on this question:

Despite their slapdash nature, the elections pose a risk of escalating the smoldering conflict in Ukraine by entrenching the political wings of pro-Russian militant groups, while putting the interim government in Kiev in the awkward position of arguing against what organizers describe as a democratic votes.

 

“The results will legitimize us before the world community,” Roman Lyagin, the chairman of the central election committee of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Republic, said at a news conference here Saturday. Mr. Lyagin said he had printed 3.1 million ballots that pose one question: “Do you support the act of self-rule for the People’s Republic of Donetsk?”

 

But even in Donetsk, the wording had people baffled. Some interpret the question as a vote for more local autonomy, some for independence and still others as a step toward inviting annexation by Russia, following the example set in Crimea.

In any case, the answer will be known shortly: the turnout based on journalist reports has been far greater than expected: 

More on the turnout from RT:

More than fifty percent of voters in the Donetsk region have already cast their ballots, according to the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic,” Roman Lyagin.

 

“The turnout is not just high, it’s off the charts,” Lyagin said. “People are queuing up at polling stations, and election commissions are working at full capacity.”

 

The referendum turnout in the Lugansk region has already reached 65 percent, according to the chairman of the local referendum committee, Aleksandr Malykhin.

 

In Mariupol, recovering from Friday's deadly clashes, only eight polling stations have been opened, according to the coordinator of the central election commission of the “Donetsk People’s Republic”, Boris Litvinov. Those willing to vote have to wait for their turn in huge queues.

Voting is due to end in 53 locations at 10 p.m. (1900 GMT) and the rebels hope to have the ballots counted by Monday afternoon. This means that an official announcement of east Ukraine independence may come as soon as Monday night or Tuesday.

"It is not at all clear what action rebel leaders will take once the results, expected one way or another to show a large "yes" vote, have been announced. Any appeal to Russia could confront Kiev and the West with a serious challenge."

What most likely will happen is that the newly-independent eastern republics will note that Kiev armies continue to engage in anti-terrorist operations, at which point they will request that Russia send in peace-keepers. At that point Putin wins again.

As for the visual coverage of the day's events, here is a sampling of photos on the ground:

Finally, here is a livestream from the Donetsk central voting commission which has periodic updates on the voting process:

 

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Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:22 | 4747847 MFL8240
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A State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the United States would not recognize the results of the votes. She said the referendums “by armed separatist groups are illegal under Ukrainian law, and are an attempt to create further division and disorder,” adding that if they proceed, “they will violate international law and the territorial integrity of Ukraine.”

But it is OK for Obama to ignore the US Constitution on a daily bases!  We have absolutely no business getting involved in the Ukraine but as the bankers have ruined the US banking system and the dollar and Putin wants to put an end to the Petro-Dollar, all of a sudden the Ukraine chaos is interesting to the War Mongers! How about we get rid of the Federal Reserve and start over to fix America rather than involve our self in another place we do not belong?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:23 | 4747855 Oh regional Indian
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Clearly all going according to some playbook for stoking late year flames. It's going to be a very cold winter upcoming, That is when people get desparate.

That is when these goons will strike. Till then, expect hot and cold, peace and war-lets...

This is just a game about the illusion of control....

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/war-of-the-worlds/

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:34 | 4747874 Manthong
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You know how you sometimes get a little lapel sticker (I Voted) when you go to the polls here?

This time, everybody over there should get an AK for showing up to vote..

It would greatly help to mute the inevitable western backed Kiev goon reaction.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:38 | 4747887 ParkAveFlasher
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Not to beat a dead horse, but where is John Kerry in all this?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:44 | 4747899 Abi Normal
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ROFLMAO, there are some real dumb asses over there in Ukraine...

So lemme see, we fomented (via CIA) unrest in Ukraine, and now Pukin has his opening to annex as much has he wants, brilliant, eh?

I would like to see the proof of our CIA fomenting violence, or is it you have a sound bite of the communist Nuland?  Where is the proof USA started this whole thing...

I don't have it (proof), do you?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:08 | 4747925 svayambhu108
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Nobody gets this news, MSM is blind to this, so obviously no english version

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise-400-us-soeldner-von-...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:20 | 4747940 EatYourCornTake...
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Blind to what?

Propoganda reported by the RT via RT pawn Zerohedge?

It's not even 20:00 there, polls aren't closed. And you think paper ballots have already been counted? It would take weeks to count these but we all know that the results were goalseeked in the Kremlin.

Misleading headline, complete bullshit. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:34 | 4747967 Theta_Burn
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And all those barricades we've been seeing are trying to keep the Russians out?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:34 | 4748098 Latina Lover
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Message from Donetsk and Lugansk:

Dear Ms Nuland/Nudelman

Your cookies suck. If you really knew anything about us, you would have handed out pelmeni (perogies).

Signed

The People

PS Fuck the US!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:01 | 4748149 Anusocracy
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"Do you support the act of self-rule for the" person named ___________________.

Absolutely!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:45 | 4748615 Antifaschistische
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Well, unfortunately...self rule isn't really on the ballot anywhere in the modern world.  The only option any of us are given is who we will be a slave to this year, or next year.

The Ukraine has been run by fascists...what I would have like to have seen is a true "independence" movement with perhaps an East and West Ukraine.   Annointing Putin as your king (as much as the guy has made me smile these last few years) hardly qualifies you as being independent or opting for "self rule"

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:57 | 4748001 moneybots
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"Blind to what?

Propoganda reported by the RT via RT pawn Zerohedge?

It's not even 20:00 there, polls aren't closed. And you think paper ballots have already been counted? It would take weeks to count these but we all know that the results were goalseeked in the Kremlin.

Misleading headline, complete bullshit."

 

What is the exit polling showing?

Zero Hedge is not an RT pawn.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:13 | 4748167 disabledvet
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Well it is a little ironic that ZH has come down squarely on the side of a "full scale War between Russia and the West with Russia winning."

Only the lunatic fringe phucktards believe this is a good idea.

Again according to GERMAN Chancellor Merkel "Putin is a phucking wacko."

Since their aren't all too many people if The Borderland to begin with very assertions of authority and "new arrangements" EVEN BY PUTIN STANDARDS have been declared a bad idea.

Even a cursory glance at the historical record says why.

For the historical record "an entire generation of Americans has been lost just to keep Mother Russia in one piece."

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:28 | 4748183 Anusocracy
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I'm for he US keeping all of its military, intelligence agencies, NGOs, and special ops all within its own borders.

In other words, make the malignant tumor that it is a non-malignant tumor that consumes itself faster.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:23 | 4748287 Theta_Burn
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Disabled...

Not sure if its your post or the vodka tonics from last night...

A majority of ZH readership squarely wants a war? how about some fucking common sence.

Putin wouldn't be the "bad guy" if we just minded our own buisness.

Sacrificing a whole generation of Americans keeping Mother Russia in one piece really wasn't a concern to TPTB at that time, neither was the 10-1 Russian/allied sacrifice required for the big win..

Putin isn't what everyone wants, he corrupt, a thug an oligarch, and a liar, but right now hes what everyone needs.

Bottom line is we fucked around with a country, on his border mind you, and he called bullshit.

Dude loosen those bandages a little..

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:01 | 4748384 sushi
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Henry Kissinger appears to agree with ZH:

 

"The demonization of Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one," Kissinger wrote.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_11/Claims-that-Putin-initiated-conflict-in-Ukraine-after-Sochi-Olympics-make-no-sense-Kissinger-8792/

You show me a link where Kissinger gets reported in the Western "media."


 
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_11/Claims-that-Putin-initiated-conflict-in-Ukraine-after-Sochi-Olympics-make-no-sense-Kissinger-8792/

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:13 | 4749004 QQQBall
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Yeh, Merkel stands like a tool/prop while Omomber spews bullshit basically telling her that he will keep spying on her emails, phones, etc.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:18 | 4748177 Matt
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"And you think paper ballots have already been counted? It would take weeks to count these but we all know that the results were goalseeked in the Kremlin."

You know it is possible for more than one person to count the ballots? Like, each polling station can individually count its own ballots? We use paper ballots for federal elections in Canada, and we get the results within ~4 hours of polling stations closing.

The thing is, democracy only matters if you have someone with enough guns who is willing to recognize the results of the vote.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:04 | 4748391 sushi
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Canadians could get the results 4 hours BEFORE the polls close if they would just agree to Harper's reforms.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:19 | 4748044 lakecity55
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Begone, Zionist Troll/Bath House Suckster!!

Nobody here thinks RT doesn't shade their coverage.

Libertarians and other True Americans are not Pawns of the USSA or the RF!!

Crawl back to your Termite Masters!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:16 | 4748174 disabledvet
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that can be arranged too.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:44 | 4748113 BlindMonkey
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Does this imply you have more trust in the US propaganda organs ABCCBSMSNBCFOX?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:58 | 4748146 angel_of_joy
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First, they vote for it.

Then, they pick up arms and fight for it.

And then, you're dead !

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:33 | 4748189 Anusocracy
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I love the smell of a dying empire in the morning.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:39 | 4748203 crazzziecanuck
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It doesn't take "weeks."  We just had a riding election here in Canada.  About 2000 ballots counted by four people in less than fifteen minutes.  Twice.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:46 | 4748213 free_lunch
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Paper elections in Europe always started on sunday morning, the results where always on TV in the evening.. So you're saying the democracy in Europe has been rigged for decades?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:08 | 4748528 A Nanny Moose
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What makes you think elections are only rigged on a single Continent?

I've seen rigged eleections for the Board Members and President of the local Little League. The math impaired turd brains seemed to forget that you cannot have more votes than voters.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:24 | 4748569 Bingo Hammer
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Pretty much the same in Australia, within 4 hours the result is clear 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:20 | 4748437 tsuki
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The votes will be counted by Monday, but everyone knows the result.  In a poll, more than 50% wanted to remain their own country, just over 20% were pro-EU and just over 20% were pro-Russia.  Since the only option is for independence, they will vote for independence by 70+%.  Don't need RT to tell me that.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:24 | 4748445 Ser Bronn
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The Crimea and the Donetsk River Valley, the Don, and the Donets have historically been under Russian control since the age of the Kievan Rus. I just typed a goddamn bloody long term paper over conflict in the Don River Region. Russia has savagely fought every enemy that entered the Donets region from Pecheneg tribesto Nazi Panzers. And here we are.... poking the Russian bear and her people in her own backyard. Understand the region, its people, and more importantly its history before you post bull 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:25 | 4747944 strannick
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The people have spoken but the Westt ie. CIA/IMF dont like what they have to say, so they will pay.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:51 | 4748126 McMolotov
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All Kiev and the West could do was whimper after the vote in Crimea. The same will happen with this vote. "Anti-terrorist operations" will rightly be viewed by people in east Ukraine as an attack on their sovereignty, and they will request assistance from Russia.

For the Nulands of the world, they now know they completely fucked up, and it's all over but the crying. We'll see how desperate and unhinged from reality they really are. After today, they're left with one feeble option to advance their agenda: go to war with Russia.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:10 | 4747929 Sofa King Confused
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the United States would not recognize the results of the votes

who gives a fuck what the United States thinks, do they think they are ruler of the world

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:47 | 4747984 AlaricBalth
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Yes

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:14 | 4748535 Bingo Hammer
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yes and a "little" country in the middle east owns the US

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 00:27 | 4749859 Trogdor
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That's a "shitty little" country, actually ;)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:55 | 4747997 TheRedScourge
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Yes, they do, incase you were unaware.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:10 | 4748160 tsuki
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Yes.  They think they are the indispensable one, the chosen.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:41 | 4748208 BurningFuld
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I wish they would knock off their "Evil Russian Empire" routine. I mean really...............

Oh but it keeps the war machine lubed doesn't it?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:51 | 4748500 TheMeatTrapper
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who gives a fuck what the United States thinks

I live in Alabama and I sure as hell don't care what the Federal government thinks. As far as I'm concerned, Washington is a bigger threat to me than Russia ever will be. 

It wasn't Russian snipers pointing rifles at American citizens in Nevada, or Russians stealing cows and running ranchers off public land. It isn't Russians telling me that I have to pay DOUBLE for my son to ride the bus but "underpriveleged" kids get to ride the bus for FREE and I HAVE to pay for it. 

It isn't the Russians that are making my life difficult. It isn't Russians who are picking my pocket and deciding who gets the fruit of my labors. It isn't Russians doing any of that, is it? It is good, solid, patriotic Americans that are working for the beast and selling their souls for a paycheck and pension. 

I have no reason to point a rifle at the Russians. On the other hand....

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 16:11 | 4748694 Theta_Burn
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God i love red-necks...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:49 | 4749257 BearClaw
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As far as I'm concerned, Washington is a bigger threat to me than Russia ever will be. 

Former Defense Sec. Robert Gates, now a Chancellor at William & Mary College said essentially the same thing on one of the Sunday shows earlier today.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:23 | 4747946 Ides of November
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Apart from anything else , can you please tell me what business Nuland, McCain, Brennan, Kerry and Biden have had visiting Ukraine and supporting an opposition that subsequently gained power via a coup d'état (ie - there was no election that brought Yats and his mates to power)

Can you point me to a similar stream of high ranking officials from any European country that has trekked to Ukraine over the last several months?!?! Wouldn't you say that is strange - given Europe clearly had a much larger vested interest in Ukraine (and the stability of their gas and energy supplies!!! than the US).

Clearly you also missed the speech by Nuland patting everyone on the back for the $5 billion invested in Ukraine to 'bring freedom to Ukraine' - via a coup d'état!!! You couldn't make this stuff up!! Spoken in December 2013 at a conference on Ukraine sponsored by???? CHEVRON. Ever heard of them???

You clearly also missed the phone call on January 2014 between Nuland & Pyatt in which Nuland said 'fuck the EU' we're going to get this thing done anyway and the guy we want to put in power is our man 'Yats'.

Geez, awfully good at reading the future isn't she. What was Yats doing not a month later? Why, leading the coup government!!

Clearly you haven't been following this situation closely or at all if you aren't aware of this sort of thing!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:31 | 4747991 813kml
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The frequent visits by US lackeys are what leads me to believe that the US is desperate, they provided the money and means to get a civil war started ASAP.  The FED can continue its backdoor QE via Belgium and other conduits for awhile but the West needs to put a lid on a gold Juan before the world finds out it has no gold left.  It's also a show of force to scare/satisfy oil producers that might think of abandoning the petrodollar.

I don't see how much further the US can push China/Russia without starting a shooting war.  The game clock for the dollar is in crunch time, the best the US can hope for is overtime.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:42 | 4748109 BlindMonkey
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More like penalty minutes where the time left in the game is set by an arbitrary referee. Only they know when it will end for sure. Make no mistake though, the wistle is ready.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:53 | 4748217 franzpick
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The unscheduled, unauthorized last minute visits to Kiev by Nuland, McCain, Brennan, Kerry and Biden were very possibly black bag trips to deliver cash 'support' to fund the feeding, arming, fueling and transport of snipers and provocateurs around Kiev and to eastern Ukraine target cities.

Yes, U.S. fascist 'policy' has become that atrocious, malicious, cruel, ill-fated and doomed. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:54 | 4747994 Mine Is Bigger
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Your first point is what I have been bringing up to anyone who would listen.  Most people would go, "Oh, yeah, now that you've mentioned ..."  I personally blame journalists not doing their job intentionally/unintentionally or too stupid/biased to realize it is totally unacceptable for high-ranking foreign government officials to visit a country in turmoil and express support for a group that is trying to overthrow a democratically elected government.  This whole situation in Ukraine could have been avoided if Ukrainian people were given the chance to decide if they wanted to move toward the EU or not by casting votes.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:21 | 4748054 lakecity55
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MSM=USG/USSA=MSM!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:31 | 4748085 shovelhead
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Nonsense.

Neo-nazis are very shy and need constant validation to feel 'empowered'.

The US is giving out hugz.

Sometimes cookies are not enough.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:14 | 4748165 buyingsterling
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They spent $5 billion trying to undermine the government there, we spend less than that on presidential elections, and think about how much naked propaganda they churn out. And that's in a country with seven times the population of Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:33 | 4748093 McMolotov
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Mr. Abnormal missed all of that because it hasn't been reported in the United States. If one gets all of his or her news from CBS-NBC-ABC-CNN-MSNBC-FOX, all that is known is that Russia "invaded" Crimea.

Mr. Abnormal quite sadly represents the average American.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:46 | 4748117 BlindMonkey
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Nope. You're wrong. He is more informed than the average American. The average American has no idea what is gong on in the Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:41 | 4748209 Anusocracy
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The average American is a true believer, like Abi Normal.

That makes him a normal dupe.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 16:05 | 4748680 Confused
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Apart from anything else , can you please tell me what business Nuland, McCain, Brennan, Kerry and Biden have had visiting Ukraine and supporting an opposition that subsequently gained power via a coup d'état (ie - there was no election that brought Yats and his mates to power)

 

Come on, this is easy. MIC. Money lubricates everything in politics. Things are so distorted, that even if someone told us the truth, we wouldn't recognize it as such. 

 

The only things I am sure of is that the people of the Ukraine should be free to determine their own fate without the entanglements of the US/Europe or Russia and that the US should stay the fuck out. There is a world of hurt going on within the US, best address that first. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:26 | 4747949 Theta_Burn
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@Abi

I'm thinking there are more dumb asses in your neigborhood.

Lets rehash eh?

Our brand of democracy (under threat of bombardment or sanctions lest that country has a different agenda than Americas stratigic interests) won't recognize a majority vote.

IMF won't bail out (a totally insolvent Ukraine, that just 6mths ago you never heard about) unless they squash this pesky will of the people with slaughter. (which, ironically drew the wests intervention in Libya)

...On second thought, your right, I see no manipulation of events here at all.

Putz..

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:30 | 4747959 MeMongo
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Not much proof that some lone Palistinian dish washer killed JFK there abi, but the masses believed it! TPTB don't usually, readily leave a lot convienient evidence sitting around for the serfs to pick up on!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:02 | 4748011 moneybots
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"Not much proof that some lone Palistinian dish washer killed JFK there abi, but the masses believed it! TPTB don't usually, readily leave a lot convienient evidence sitting around for the serfs to pick up on!"

 

The evidence pointed to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:55 | 4748139 Overfed
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I always thought the evidence pointed to GHW Bush, Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and the Federal Reserve.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:16 | 4748171 buyingsterling
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"The evidence pointed to Lee Harvey Oswald."

You are Satan's fluffer.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:46 | 4748116 Kirk2NCC1701
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You must mean RFK, not JFK.  RFK was shot by Sirhan Sirhan, a 24 y.o. Palestinian immigrant.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:51 | 4748130 BlindMonkey
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Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:35 | 4748176 buyingsterling
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Do a little research. Sirhan Sirhan? If the act weren't evil it would be laughable.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:55 | 4748358 MeMongo
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@Kirk

Mongo stands corrected!

;{)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:31 | 4749542 StychoKiller
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"Mongo merely pawn in game of life." -- Mongo :>D

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:32 | 4747965 Dick Buttkiss
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When I first saw this it was absolutely clear to me that this was not a popular revolution. Immediately you had people turning up with metal barricades, they were very organized, they were in masks and so on. Now I would say if I was pissed off with my government, now I’m going to demonstrate, where would I get a metal barricade from?

So, clearly these people are paid mercenaries and this revolution was nothing to do with the will of the people. As you say, most of the people in the Ukraine either speak Russian or have relations in Russia and so on. This was something that’s been orchestrated by the west, they’ve been trying to start the Third World War, and we saw that last year in Syria. It failed then, but they are obviously now trying to open another front to try and cause that war.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/03/no_author/a-carefully-orchestrated-ci...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:40 | 4747977 The Black Bishop
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The dead giveaway early on that this was a CIA operation was the same "educational" leaflets showing how the "protesters" on Maidan should dress themselves and what gear to carry. It was the same used in the so-called "arab uprisings". I dont have a link to it but this was back in january/february I believe.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:37 | 4748100 MontgomeryScott
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I saved the photo screenshot on my device as 'Kiev-Cairo Pamphlets1(dotJPG)'.

It really is quite telling.

WRH had published this pic as a story, although the page seems to have been scrubbed...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/us-government-pushing-anti-terrori...

I don't know if you can find this as an archive somewhere, and I don't know how to link it to the comments here.

I DID find a link to the X-22 report that discusses some of this, though.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-us-government-is-pushing-the-anti-ter...

Obviously, there's no reason to think that Western powers are sponsoring anything over there. I'll only put the tip in. I won't come in your mouth. The check's in the mail. Let us never harbor outrageous conspiracy theories about the attacks of September 11. The Federal Reserve is a part of the U.S. government...

I'm so fucking sick of the liars, and the lies...

 

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:56 | 4747998 Handful of Dust
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Doesn't self-determination suck. It has to be Unconstitutional or sumting.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:58 | 4748003 Chupacabra-322
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@ Abi Normal,

This Criminal, Pure Evil organization needs to be literally burned down to the ground both in Virgina & Utah. It's members need to be hunted down like the dogs that they are an Eliminated with Extreme Prejudice.

http://www.infowars.com/cia-death-squads-revealed-in-the-ukraine/

The latest reminder of just this comes from AFP which reports, citing Germany's Bild, that "dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-04/dozens-cia-fbi-agents-advising-...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:42 | 4748108 MontgomeryScott
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I see the spooks over here right now, in my mind's eye.

They have their fingers in their ears, and their eyes closed, and are shouting, "WE CAN'T HEAR YOU" over and over again.

If THEY didn't see it on PMSNBCBS, it didn't HAPPEN.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:20 | 4748272 free_lunch
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reply to Abi Normal

Victoria Jane Nuland (born 1961) is the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State

 

So according to your analytical capabilities, when Nuland talks about 5 Billion invested in regime change, she is acting alone and using her own money?

You're a real Einstein, and you claim to be a Computer Analyst?? With this kind of analytical insight I would be suprised if you could find out where to plug in the powercord.. 

You don't have it (brains), do you?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:46 | 4747901 Oh regional Indian
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A neigh sayer you say?

Hay?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:38 | 4748101 813kml
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Kerry is busy training for the Preakness, a gelding has to plan for a second career before it hits the glue factory.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:47 | 4748118 Oh regional Indian
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Have you ever heard a horse go "Heeeinnnnnnzzzzz" as the Jockey yells "Ketchup, ketchup"!!!!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:51 | 4748129 813kml
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Kerry's a longshot, he just can't cut the mustard.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:00 | 4748147 Oh regional Indian
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I thik he'd rather be sailing on Neigh's Ark.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:02 | 4748227 Never One Roach
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Take a good look at all those people standing in line...doctors, lawyers, workers, engineers....basically, middle class Ukrainians. Looks like a good turnout.

Better then my town of over 500,000 peeples where only 2.4% of the eligible voters voted in the elections. Why don't middle class Merikans give a crap anymore?

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:08 | 4748250 slightlyskeptical
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Well, if they would have been considerate enough to reschedule American Idol I would have been first in line to vote.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:54 | 4748357 Never One Roach
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He he he. I think you're right. One guy I talked to at work said his wife and son was too busy watching that kid in the balloon for 18 hours. Turns uot he wasn't even in the balloon!

Crazy

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:05 | 4747923 intotheblack
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Let's a have look: https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/465315915207561216 Apparently he is enjoying a Bruins game as of 10 May at 7.22PM EST.

We are so doomed. .

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:29 | 4747958 Theta_Burn
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Some of those retweets are funny

Look at it this way, how much damage can he do at a Bruins game?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:58 | 4748004 Crash Overide
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That was pretty funny.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:36 | 4747877 Headbanger
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So fuck you Nuland!

I'm gettin there.

Hangovers suck

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:36 | 4747885 BlindMonkey
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I can't imagine this is a play by the west to create an action late in the year. If Kiev is without gas I would think the populace would turn to Russia for pure survival.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:26 | 4747952 Quintus
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Hmmmm.  All those people lining up with ballots in their hand to vote.  That's EXACTLY the sort of thing that we'd expect from Terrorists.

Send in the Drones.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:31 | 4748086 KnightsofNee
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If you want your coup gubment
You can keep your coup gubment
Period

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:09 | 4748251 ebear
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"Clearly all going according to some playbook"

The best laid plans of mice and men...

Who's to say that the writers of this playbook don't also suffer from the illusion of control?

Given the likelihood of violence and even death at the hands of pro-kiev thugs, I see a lot of brave people taking control of their lives.  Try convincing them that it's an illusion.

Unnatural Authority

When people do not fear death,
How can they be threatened with death?
Suppose people fear death and still do not conform,
Who would dare seize them and put them to death?

There is always the Master Executioner who kills.
To substitute for the Master Executioner in killing
Is like substituting for the Master Carpenter who carves.
Whoever substitutes for the Master Carpenter in carving,
Rarely escapes injury to his hands.

Tao Te Ching - ch. 74 - R.L. Wing trans.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:27 | 4748295 free_lunch
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If there is one thing I noticed in the video's on liveleak, about the street shootings, it is that these people don't show any fear at all, not even when the bullets fly arround their heads. They don't run or panic at all when bodies drop near them. Impressive and scary!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:29 | 4747866 Gumbum
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"the referendums by armed separatist groups are illegal under Ukrainian law"

 

Whereas a fascist coup is perfectly legal under Ukrainian law.

The stupidity in some of these statements are breathtaking....

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:32 | 4747873 Jurassic
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About 400 elite commandos of a notorious US private security firm, Academi, are involved in a punitive operation mounted by Ukraine's new government against federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine, the German Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported on Sunday.

 

According to the newspaper, Academi mercenaries participate in attacks against federalization supporters near Slavyansk. So far, it's unclear who hired them.

In April 29, Germany's Federal Intelligence Service (BND) informed the Angela Merkel government about Academi commandos' involvement in Kiev's military operations in eastern Ukraine.

Academi, former Blackwater (renamed in 2009), gained notoriety for killings of civilians in Iraq, arms smuggling and other crimes, TASS reports.

Media reports claiming that the Ukrainian leadership wants to recruit personnel from private foreign military companies "in order to maintain law and order" may suggest that the Kiev regime wants to suppress civil protest and discontent, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Private military company will be in charge of suppressing protest movements in Eastern Ukraine, said a source in the country's Security Service. According to him, the name of the company is Greystone Limited.

About 400 elite commandos of a notorious US private security firm, Academi, are involved in a punitive operation mounted by Ukraine's new government against federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine, the German Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported on Sunday.

According to the newspaper, Academi mercenaries participate in attacks against federalization supporters near Slavyansk. So far, it's unclear who hired them.

In April 29, Germany's Federal Intelligence Service (BND) informed the Angela Merkel government about Academi commandos' involvement in Kiev's military operations in eastern Ukraine.

Academi, former Blackwater (renamed in 2009), gained notoriety for killings of civilians in Iraq, arms smuggling and other crimes, TASS reports.

Media reports claiming that the Ukrainian leadership wants to recruit personnel from private foreign military companies "in order to maintain law and order" may suggest that the Kiev regime wants to suppress civil protest and discontent, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Private military company will be in charge of suppressing protest movements in Eastern Ukraine, said a source in the country's Security Service. According to him, the name of the company is Greystone Limited.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:41 | 4747892 gatorengineer
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Well the only question is was it the CIA or a proxy (Soros, Mossad, etc)......

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:17 | 4748033 Chupacabra-322
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That is how forming a Military Junta operates when installing a Fascist Milton Friedman Chicago School of Economics Bankster / CIA run Totalitarian Authoritarian Militarized Police State is organized.

Chili and Pinochle experiment comes to mind.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:43 | 4748106 Latina Lover
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Jurrasic, Re 400 elite commandos of Academi,

How thoughtful of the americans to provide target practice for the Spetnaz, with home field advantage.

I'll bet the mercenaries won't like the taste of their dicks shoved down their throats.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:06 | 4748243 slightlyskeptical
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No fate other than death is in the cards for these guys. They need to be hunted and extinguished.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:41 | 4748107 shovelhead
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It could be worse.

They could have UN peace keepers running sex slavery rings in Eastern Ukraine.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:04 | 4748153 JR
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“They were not our guys,” Tatyana said, and her testimony confirms that in the Odessa fire and massacre of pro-Russian protesters a “third party” group mixed in with the protesters and once they were in the Trades Unions building helped murder them with pistol shots to the head and severe beatings and napalm-like material to burn their faces.

Survivor “Tatyana Ivananko told RT about the Odessa tragedy on May 2, after which at least 46 people died in flames (many are still missing), when radicals set ablaze the local House of Trade Unions with anti-government protesters trapped inside (here’s the video evidence…”

Radicals…then strangled the survivors and finished them with bats, while police did nothing to prevent the bloodshed:

“No one expected such cruelty…and it was too late to escape…the outraged crowd outside was shouting that they would not let anybody out alive…the police were idle and did not do anything… …for 24 hours unidentified corpses were lying on the street… on the morning of May 3 the square was cleared up but there was no investigation on underway…when the fire fighters arrived it was too late--too many people had already died even though the closest fire station is only 700 meters away from the site…pro-government activists… Kiev junta… a third party interfered

Odessa Tragedy Survivor: “Many People Strangled by Neo-Nazis After Escaping the Fire http://www.globalresearch.ca/odessa-tragedy-survivor-many-people-strangled-by-neo-nazis-after-escaping-the-fire/538143
Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:20 | 4748278 ebear
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“They were not our guys,” Tatyana said

They are now.

The only question is, what are you going to do about it?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:11 | 4747931 a growing concern
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Stay tuned: a similar referendum will be coming soon to a (U.S.) state near you.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:18 | 4748045 MollyHacker
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Nothing will change (the guard or rhetoric) till the old Bitch (USD/UST) dies!

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:36 | 4747868 CPL
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State department, all of them.

<UnLUckY!>

Allow me to roll the bones...

Question: How will the US state department fair in the next year?

Hexagram:

19 - Nineteen

Lin / Noble Calling

The rich, loamy Earth on the banks of the Marsh provides fertile soil for exceptional progress.
The Superior Person is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach, and without limit in his tolerance and support of others.

Supreme Success if you keep to your course.
But be aware that your time is limited; your power will wane, as Summer changes to Fall.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are in a position to help another.
This is a temporary situation, because your power is cyclical, seasonal.
Knowing this, you must perform your good deed without hope of reward.
You are not furthering your own process, but another's.
Though you may cherish this other, you will never possess.
Touch without grasping.
Take comfort in becoming a fond memory.
Nurture, then let go.

=====

US State department should leave it alone and get ready for their own localized problems.  It would be faster though to just close shop and find something else to do with their lives.  Go home.  War is over.

Game On.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:49 | 4747907 rwe2late
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 I wonder if any

MSM "reporters" will ask the White House spokespersons whether

1) the Kiev coup three months ago violated Ukranian law?

or

2) what "international law" exactly prohibits citizens voting for secession ?

and

3) under "international law" and the UN charter,

doesn't the UN Security Council get to decide whether there are violations of "international law" and any enforcement measures?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:31 | 4748304 ebear
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"I wonder if any

MSM "reporters" ..."

We need to find a new word for these people.  Something that describes what they actually are.  Something that sticks.  Something that will follow them everywhere they go.

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:20 | 4748553 rwe2late
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REGURGITATERS

might be appropriate

for those whose rote regurgitation of government spin is unprofessional journalism.

 

(note spelling: NOT to be confused with honest regurgitators,

professional entertainers who regurgitate objects as entertainment)

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:52 | 4748351 free_lunch
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Or cutting to the point: who writes 'international laws' and with what authority? Did the people who have to obey these laws have a voice in their creation?

If some nut cases make a law that everyone with ten toe's has to jump of a tall building, would you jump?

Laws are just some writing on a nicely decorated paper, they mean nothing if the majority of people don't support them. Unless people believe that writing things on a piece of paper gives it godly power.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:58 | 4747908 chemystical
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"A State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the United States would not recognize the results of the votes"

Yatsenyuk's chief of staff said, 'Officials of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions participating in this criminal act will be brought to justice.'

When did expressing a desire for self-determination become something for which you need to be brought to justice?  Paging Mr Orwell.

Then again, maybe the same Zio-Con speechwriter was at it again.  Same? :

Yatesunyuk, '...make a clear statement and urge the Ukrainian military and security forces and Ukrainian Department of Homeland Security urgently to find these bastards and to bring them to justice.'

Yatsenyuk, 'Viktor Yanukovych will be brought to justice.'

Victoria Nuland, 'Those responsible for the violence on November 30 must be brought to justice.'

Justice?  They'd first need to have the 1st clue what it is before they can find it much less bring anyone before it.

 

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:40 | 4748206 JR
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This is last chapter stuff. When it gets this bad, it usually blows up in the perpetrators' faces.

Dr. E. Michael Jones of Culture Wars explains that the “purpose of the coup was to put IMF operative Arseniy Yatsenyuk in power with the help of the Ukrainian fascists.” Yats is a Jewish millionaire banker who had served as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister and, once installed, turned the country over to the IMF looters.

Jones writes in Crimea River: The Hypocrisy of U.S. Foreign Policy:

“The coup in Ukraine was a continuation of what was supposed to have happened in Syria but didn’t because of the collaboration between Obama and Putin. The coup in Ukraine was to ensure that no further collaboration between these two men would be possible, thus ensuring an end to the peace process and more wars in support of Israel. The coup in Ukraine was a sign that Obama had lost control of his own administration’s foreign policy, and that it was now back in the hands of the Jewish neoconservatives who had hijacked it in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks…

“The idea was to give Putin an embarrassing black eye as punishment for his interference in the neocons’ dream of ‘regime change’ across the Middle East…  at minimum, the neocons hope they can neutralize Putin as Obama’s ally in trying to tamp down tensions with Syria and Iran…

“The coup d’etat in the Ukraine also served to undermine anyone who expressed dissatisfaction with the European Union… As such, it served as a counter-attack on the bishops’ cultural offensive in Poland attacking EU-sponsored gender ideology…exposing the sexual subversion that the EU requires as the necessary preliminary step to IMF financial looting.”

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:00 | 4748230 BlindMonkey
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How well protected are these neo-cons?  Physically I mean. Wouldn't it occur to somebody playing the hard game across the globe that simply eliminating Wolfowitz, et al would be the easiest path?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:14 | 4748264 slightlyskeptical
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So Obama is just sitting on the sidelines? Bullshit...If he is not involved he needs to come out very heavily against those that are responsible.  Call them out and let Americans do the hangings.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:34 | 4748312 JR
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Absolutely. The Chicago boys put him in office with controlling management coming from the international bankers and Axelrod and the money people will pull him in a New York second if he fails to perform.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 16:19 | 4748712 lakecity55
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Damn! This whole scheme has "Kosher" written all over it.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:05 | 4747912 mccvilb
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If they won't allow Russian Deputy Premier Rogozin to leave Moldova, then we bring Russia to Rogovin. Moldova next to fall.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:13 | 4747932 luckylongshot
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Don't forget the US funded coup that threw out the elected government was also illegal. This makes the US position even more dubious. They really need to admit that both acts were illegal or accept that the referendum is at least as legitimate as the coup they funded.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:53 | 4748132 intric8
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Will someone, anyone tell the IMF they can take their anti-russia blood money, shove it up Nulands ass and set fire to it

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 14:46 | 4748493 Max Cynical
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Let's see a current list of all the countries the U.S. is currently trying to destabilize and how many tax payer $ have been spent to date in such pursuits.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:14 | 4747934 rtalcott
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Is that a S-400 in your pants or are you glad to see me....or both?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:23 | 4747945 blindman
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new-land " fuck the vote. we prefer neo nazi
bloody coup, and if there is a vote, the neo nazi will
count the ballots and then burn the ballots." oh?
.
Origins of the Cold War: How Stalin Foiled a ‘New World Order’
Relevance for the Present
by Dr. K R Bolton |  May 31, 2010
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/05/31/origins-of-the-cold-war-h...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:31 | 4747962 williambanzai7
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Remember the Alamos...

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:43 | 4748021 lakecity55
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Haha, maybe the USSerfs should not recognize the USG! They shit on Americans Every.Fucking.Day.

What, after the USSR collapsed, did all the Russians there suddenly leave? No. The countries' may have changed, but the people remained the same.

 

"Texas Oblast Votes to Form USA."

"USSA Vows to Stop Referendum."

"More Western and Southern Oblasts Join Texas"

"USSA Claims Russia Arming Texans"

"USSA Behind Sniper Attacks on Texans?"

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:10 | 4748029 johny2
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NATO bombed bridges, hospitals in capital of Serbia so that albanians could take vote for indepemdence of Kosovo from rest of Serbia.

so far russia is playing smart , hopefully the slavs free the wage slaves in the west by stayimg out of conflict, and brings the much needed reform to worlds economy and finance

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:31 | 4748087 jerry_theking_lawler
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When it comes down to the 'nut cutting', people inherently want to be free. Ukrainians are figuring this out (shouldn've known this a few months back to avoid alot of these trouble). America hasn't figured this out yet....but you can feel the tension building.

Everything goes in cycles.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:38 | 4748103 kchrisc
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They don't "ignore" the Constitution, they violate it and their oaths to it. "Violation," as in crime.

 

"My guillotine knows the unknowns."

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:50 | 4748125 Shad_ow
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This is certainly one instance where "what difference does it make?" is appropriate. 

Our thug nation, run by crooks and tyants, is in no position to chastise anyone else on their choice to be ruled by another thug nation, run by crooks and tyrants.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 13:13 | 4748260 mtndds
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DOW wil have new all time highs tomorrow.  Gold will get monkey hammered.  All will be awesome in the universe tomorrow.  MSM wont even talk about the event.  

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:24 | 4749361 TheReplacement
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It would have been fine to get involved in Ukraine on this basis - suggest/offer election observers from a multitude of nations to oversee the vote and counting to certify there was not hanky panky going on.  Instead, the vote probably is guaranteed to go for indy.  Of course, indy would most likely have won but there is no question now. 

If we'd simply insisted on international monitors it is possible the Russia would have been defeated.  Sure the eastern bits would vote for independence but then there would have been no need for Russia to rush in and protect the Russian speakers.  The breakaways would gain independence and have to deal with it.  Who knows what might have come of that.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:23 | 4747848 Milton Waddams
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Freedom! Excuse me, ??????. ???????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ????????????? ?? ???????????

 

@ my revolutions is classic. Let's flash mob the parliament next. With white people, this time.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:23 | 4747854 Keyser
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They hate us for our freedom, remember? 

 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:30 | 4747870 Bastiat
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It's really the other way, isn't it?

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:16 | 4747933 new game
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freedom is dieing w/o a fight here(ussa), while they fight for freedom! what does the liberators do? fighting to gain control for fascist expansionism whilst tamping out freedom. this is a turning point and what putin/ethnic russian people do will set the stage for a real fight for the freedom of the individual. understanding oligarchies can co exist. but apparently in ussa that is not the plan. read:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/08/call-cops-peril-paul-craig-ro...

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:11 | 4748031 lakecity55
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Bingo!

Since they are Humanist Atheists, The State has All Power, since there is no God to grant natural rights.

Actually, I would say our enemies are Nihilists.

The current clique acts like Commies and NAZIs.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:22 | 4747853 Keyser
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Asked what he thought would follow the vote, organised in a matter of weeks by rebels, he replied: "It will still be war."

A State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the United States would not recognize the results of the votes. 

It is long past time that the US minds it's own freaking business... 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:55 | 4748136 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's a clinical fact that Sociopaths do not admit to their own mistakes or failures.

This explains everything about the walk and the talk of the USG & Friends.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:55 | 4748140 tsuki
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Unfortunately, the US thinks grabbing all of Ukraine's assets for it oligarchs is it's own freaking business. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:26 | 4747858 Eugend66
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+1 for them IF they do the right thing .. (hang the neo-nazis will be a close second).

May God hold them in His palm.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:26 | 4747860 Oh regional Indian
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Look how calm everyone is looking though. 

There is no perception of threat in the air. That makes all the other stories seem fabricated. You'd imagine a populace cowering under the threat of disruption by Kiev.

Seems just  like a happy old referendum on reeferdum.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:29 | 4747867 Zwelgje
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These days $5 billion doesn't get you much of a junta so it seems. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:35 | 4747880 Oh regional Indian
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Yeah. Kind of interesting that Hunta is a terrible virus too.

World Games...

Kony - Enoch?

Hmmmmm....

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:29 | 4747956 Snidley Whipsnae
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Zwelgje... "These days $5 billion doesn't get you much of a junta so it seems."

Lest we not forget, the IMF was going to supply $17Billion (in SDRs?), if the 'seperatists' in E Ukraine could be persuaded to stay behind the Kiev government. That money, if it existed, is now gone.

The 'new government' in Kiev cut all pensions in half and announced numerous other 'austerity measures'... which was a stupid action so soon after grabbing power.

The Russian Gov, on the other hand, announced a doubling of pension benefits of Crimean citizens and other benefits as accorded all Russian citizens. 

Just these simple economic moves would have been enough to make the remainder of Eastern Ukraine want to join their Crimean/Russian bretheren.

US is being outmanuvered by Putin at every turn... 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 11:12 | 4748035 lakecity55
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Fiats Walk, Rubles Talk.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:01 | 4748148 Urban Roman
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Maybe they can award Chernobyl to Nulands as a cosolation prize.

"There ya go. Good luck with the continuing cleanup."

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:36 | 4747879 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Yeah, it's surprising the fascists aren't out running over voters with APCs. That must be crude, even by Western standards.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:27 | 4747865 cherry picker
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The IMF,  European Union and America does not want a democratic vote on anything which threatens the existing authoritarian framework and the easy, rich, lifestyles of the parasites at the top.

This may be a lesson to the world.  People should be allowed to live free.  One World Government does not fit with the different cultures and societies and regions.

Viva la difference  :)

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:26 | 4747950 _ConanTheLibert...
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Viva la resistance

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:41 | 4747981 dizzyfingers
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"The IMF,  European Union and America does not want a democratic vote on anything which threatens the existing authoritarian framework and the easy, rich, lifestyles of the parasites at the top.This may be a lesson to the world.  People should be allowed to live free.  One World Government does not fit with the different cultures and societies and regions."

"America", which is an idea not a place, doesn't describe the USA today, which is ruled by the tyranny of the majority aka useful idiots whose voting habits are shaped by TPTB's corporate media. Must be the same most other places because it's more and more apparent everyday the authoritarians you mention are more and more in control everywhere everyday (deep-controllers). I think it's been that way a long time, throughout modern history and perhaps before that. The difference may be simply that the authoritarians were hidden before and now due to internet they're perceived a bit more, or at least the results of their manipulations are.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 15:48 | 4748618 lakecity55
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"USSA State Dept. Offers Diebold Voting Machines to Kiev"
                       Soros' NGO Backs Voting System

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:30 | 4747869 buzzsaw99
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A State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the United States would not recognize the results of the votes...

Of course they won't. They don't have diebold there.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:35 | 4747881 Infinite QE
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The orcs will have to slaughter more Palestinian children in order to vent their rage.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 10:04 | 4747920 Uncle Remus
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"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys."

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 12:34 | 4748193 mumcard
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I'm sure the little crook nosed bastards need more kidneys.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:40 | 4747890 Boomberg
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Ya that's all good and everything. The real question is how fast the greens are today after last night's rain. 

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 09:42 | 4747893 ms8172
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Gold Bitchez!!!!!

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