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Donetsk Warns Ukraine Army Located In The East To "Leave In 48 Hours" Or Face War

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Update: And just to make sure Russia has a catalyst:

  • UKRAINE FORCES ATTACK EASTERN CITY OF SLOVYANSK, INTERFAX SAYS

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With the US having voiced its support for Ukraine's "anti-terrorist" operations, and Russia strongly supportive of pro-Russian people's decisions to regional self-determination, the threats coming from the newly independent regions are a concern (that markets clearly do not care about):

  • DONETSK ARMY SAYS WILL FIGHT UKRAINE FORCES IF DEADLINE IGNORED

Ukrainian military forces have 48 hours to leave the region or Donetsk own "anti-terrorist" forces will fight. Of course, with the US already saying the referendums are illegal and not recognizing them, we suspect it will be time for more sanctions soon (despite the lessons below).

Insurgent group army of so-called Donetsk People’s Republic “will start its own anti-terrorist operation in Donetsk region” against Ukrainian military forces if they don’t heed seperatist army chief Igor Girkin’s 48-hour ultimatum to leave or obey him, head of seperatist group, Denis Pushilin, says by phone.

So... buy stocks?

And a different perspective on which the western approach to resolving the Ukraine crisis may not be exactly "working."

Lessons on Sanctions Based on Past Experience (via PIIE)

1. Don’t overreach. Policymakers should avoid inflated expectations of what sanctions can accomplish. Sanctions seldom impair the military potential or change the policies of an important targeted power. Modest goals contribute to successful outcomes. Thus it may make more sense to achieve the modest goal of thwarting an impending invasion of Eastern Ukraine than to try to reverse the fait accompli of Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

2. Russian economic integration with the West is an advantage. Economic sanctions are most effective when aimed against close trading partners with more to lose.

3. Don’t count on Russian public opinion. It is hard to “bully a bully” with economic measures. Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure than autocratic regimes like Russia.

4. Slam the hammer; don’t turn the screw. Economic sanctions are best deployed with maximum impact. Gradually imposed steps may simply strengthen the target national government’s resolve. In the present case, threatening very heavy sanctions if Russian armed forces cross the Ukrainian border has the best chance of deterrence.

5. International cooperation is not always essential, but in the case of Russia, it probably is. A large coalition of sanctioning countries does not necessarily make the sanctions highly likely to succeed. Financial sanctions against Iran, on the other hand, succeeded in large part because they were backed by an international coalition of countries willing to forgo Iranian oil imports and dealings with Iranian banks. To be sure, the effort to gain international support can dilute their scope. But the United States has little choice but to gain the cooperation of Western Europe in this case.

6. Choose the right tool. Sanctions deployed in conjunction with other measures, such as covert action or military operations, increase chances of success. So far, the United States has been reluctant to provide substantial military assistance to Ukraine, out of concern that Russia will escalate its own intervention.  Instead, the military dimension of US support has been limited to greater assistance to NATO allies in the region, especially Poland.

7. Don’t be a cheapskate or spendthrift. Sanctioning governments must balance the benefits against the costs borne domestically to sustain public support at home. At present, the United States, but especially Europe, are facing the resistance of major business firms over the possibility of severe energy and financial sanctions.

8. Look before you leap. Sanctioning governments should weigh their means and objectives against unintended costs and consequences.  In the Ukrainian case, all signs indicate that President Obama and his European counterparts (especially Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany) are giving each step of the sanctions regime their carefully guarded attention.

 

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:38 | 4751610 FieldingMellish
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War imminent... BUY STAWKS!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:39 | 4751619 fonestar
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Barry and Hitlery... your eviction notice is served!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:45 | 4751649 El Oregonian
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Donesk don't tell!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:47 | 4751661 Truther
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Donesk or I shoot.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:52 | 4751690 Hippocratic Oaf
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All news.......................bullish

ALL

NEWS 

BULLISH

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:55 | 4751706 flacon
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Against all logic I am long silver and short the Dow. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:08 | 4751740 ZerOhead
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Let's just hope that General Girkin's actions doesn't put them in a pickle...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:15 | 4751802 Son of Loki
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Moar War !! I'm buying with both hands ... Everything!!!

Uber Bullish ... it's all good news ... 'stock prices never drop' ... anti-Terrists vs. anti-Terrists...

"No one saw this coming."

"Forward!"

 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 18:26 | 4752193 Manthong
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I actually feel sorry for the ordinary schlubs in the Ukranian army.

They are stuck between a rock in the east and pile of turds in the west (between a rock and a warm, moist brown place).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 18:50 | 4752595 Latina Lover
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I don't feel sorry for the ordinary schulbs. If they have any brains, they will either bug out or do nothing useful.....Hmmm, come to think of it, how effective has the Ukrainian army been to date, LOL!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 18:59 | 4752619 john39
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wait, look over there... gay football player kissing his boyfriend on every single tv station and internet site all day! 

that ought to keep the sheeple distracted....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4752784 Manthong
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I seldom get irritated going to Drudge's page, but the last day or so..

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:28 | 4752605 Arius
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Morgan Stanley last week, today BoA calling 1300 the top of gold market has only one explanation ... it is the last shaking of the tree, whatever they can get before it goes off ....

somebody knows smt ....

 

otherwise it makes no sense .... why would they make these calls when everyone can see they cannot keep it under the water ... so many tries to push under 1280 to no avail ....

just a thought, coupled with what is going on in this part of the World ... then you got Moldova and the final stage the Baltic States ...

couple it with the nuclear exercises being done on weekly basis now and everything else BoA backs Morgan ... makes no sense

 

it could also be damage control ... trying to scare people from getting in ...

i do not think anyone with a bit of a brain even a republitard/replitard will sell it now...

although a new President might fix it all - lets hope we make it to the next "election" stupidos

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:44 | 4752764 new game
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arius, i'll believe it when it can stay above 1500 for six month, 1300 is nothing. only way what you say happens is if they loose control of phys markets. even morso, the shit is being cycled via contracts and shorted to bail prices. fucking joke...

buy something you can use and enjoy and physically touch...

gold doesn't meets those parameters, cause i don't enjoy the bullshit that goes with the manipulation-end of my posting on fucking gold...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:55 | 4752788 Arius
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it is not me amigo - it is the masters of the universe who have made that decision ...it will be part of the new system

the price it will be kept like this until it explodes ... i think it is stupid because they are losing more physical but we would never know, if someone screwed up or not ...

i would guess at the meeting last year of six bank CEO with Obama, most probably Jamie Stupid diamond threaten, because he must have been on the losing side, so everyone has been cooperating to keep it down, kind of ALL CARDS on the table ... the thing is they are losing more physical this way, but hey stupid is stupid does...

as far as the final goal is concern that is more than obvious at this point .... you cannot tell me the week after two biggest nuclear powers make nuclear exercises everything is ok,,,,

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 20:35 | 4752931 TheReplacement
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2016, President TheReplacement is sworn in by the oath of office.  The entire electorate was present, consisting of TheReplacement's dog.  The election was a landslide.  Recovery doubtful.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4751823 aVileRat
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May want to look at what the markets and metal demand did in Balkan war 1 and Gulfwar 1 before you talk the long silver/short dow trade.

Few points on the "independence" vote that may have been lost:

- No observers were allowed to monitor the votes

- 2004 election lists were not updated, yet somehow 80% of the people voted and 64% of those who voted, voted for independence. A cursory look at Lugansk's census data reveals that of the 1.78mm who live in the city, there has been 500k deaths since 2004, and over 300k people who migrated from the city. You do not need a PHD in stats mech to realize your P-fit for 80% voting does not compute with those exit numbers. But whatever.

- Anyone who does work over there would know employers were directing vote boxes. Look at WHO voted, notice the union jackets ? Vote was as cooked as JFK in Boston with the Teamsters.

- Violence on the ground: armed militas are starting the looting run. Soldiers are being paid to switch sides in black cash, which is ironically the same gig that caused many Russian patriots to defect in the Chechan occupation.

What difference does it make? United States lets Ukraine go failed state, then NATO and the Budapest accord fails. Will it happen overnight ? nope

 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:02 | 4752241 TheFourthStooge-ing
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United States lets Ukraine go failed state, then NATO and the Budapest accord fails.

Sure, sure. Discarding quite easily the time reference. Budapest accord failed on February 22nd when Vichy DC sponsored the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government.

NATO fails? One should hope so. Since the fall of USSR decades ago, NATO has had no purpose save for perpetuating its bloated bureaucracy. New NATO headquarters, under construction for ten years now and still an unfinished monument to waste, is 500 million dollars over budget. The only successful war waged by NATO is its war on taxpayers.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/25/natos-happy-days/

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:00 | 4752608 Latina Lover
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AVile Rat:

 

Oh please, were people rousted out of their homes at gunpoint to vote, or did they show up on their own? Watch the videos and see people lining up for hours without duress to vote.

During the last federal 2010 election, over 80% of the population voted for the overthrown president Victor Yanukovich.  Why would they suddenly support the Ukrainain nationalist/right sector political parties, especially after the Odessa Massacre?

The message is simple: the vast majority of the people of Lugansk want nothing to do with the illegal coup government in Kiev.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:13 | 4752666 lakecity55
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How do we know if there were indy observers or not??

I think they want to be federalized or taken in by Russia, because Ukraine is sure gonna be broke.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 21:22 | 4753067 Frankie Carbone
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What happens to you if a meteor hits Los Angeles and stocks go parabolic on the news? All I can say is I would hedge those shorts in case some really bad news hits the market. You could get wiped out.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:04 | 4751745 CrashisOptimistic
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Ignore equities. Why do you even care? You were told three weeks ago it's all HFT.

So sell everything and buy farmland.  If you live in a city, buy it anyway and get a tenant farmer, while you start your maneuver to get out of that death trap.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 18:55 | 4752603 DaddyO
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Excellent advice!

DaddyO

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:14 | 4752670 lakecity55
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Long Patagonia!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:52 | 4752793 NuckingFuts
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Thankfully I sold everything 7 years ago and bought farmland. That is where I am right now full time. Best decision I ever made. I am sitting on my front porch sipping a cocktail and reading ZH all I can hear are song birds and spring peepers. All is right with the world, do it while you still can and never look back.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:43 | 4753725 JustUsChickensHere
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Not possible when you have chronic health issues that require the best medical support. That support is only available in a major urban setting. Otherwise I would do exactly what you have done. But be aware that health issues are a personal game changer.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:53 | 4751694 svayambhu108
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Now that West did the hearts and minds for him, the easy part comes for Putin

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:55 | 4751707 Anusocracy
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Lesson not learned: mind your own fucking business.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:05 | 4751749 Kirk2NCC1701
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Pres. G. Washington calling from beyond the grave:  "Avoid foreign entanglements!"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:54 | 4751699 _ConanTheLibert...
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Bought yet another gold producer. We'll see who laughs last.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:05 | 4751750 CrashisOptimistic
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Probably the maker of mine equipment.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:16 | 4751808 ZH Snob
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the Ukraine has its own army?  I thought they just had other factions fighting over them.  I guess they don't mind becoming ground zero.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:20 | 4751828 Kirk2NCC1701
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Buy War Bonds?  The rational thing for the US/Neocons would be to back off.  But then they'd have to be rational.

Better polish up those Georgia Guidestones, and keep packing, stacking and racking.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:15 | 4752100 Spastica Rex
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Everything would be so much easier (for the elect) if the population of the Earth could be held at about 1/2 billion souls.

1/2 billion middle class and above managers/creatives and about 1/2 million brown labourers.

Sounds like a (fascist) utopia to me.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:22 | 4752127 DutchR
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Have you been to Georga lately?

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:47 | 4751960 Phuk u
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Its time to put putin into the proverbial corner to see how big his balls are.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 18:20 | 4752525 Aussie V
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Well, we can only summise that Putins balls are of a regular size but, few really know for sure.

On the other hand Obama's balls are unique, petite and sweet according to the Chicago Bathouse Boys

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:24 | 4752705 lakecity55
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Vlad doesn't need to prove his balls.

Besides, if he whipped them out, Bath House would teabag him.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:57 | 4753559 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Can't propagandists come with better offuscation?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 20:35 | 4752933 Supafly
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That was a remarkable "how to do".  I only hope our public servants don't read it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:38 | 4751615 dow jones 20000
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Bullicious

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:55 | 4751705 _ConanTheLibert...
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What's that? A new Russy Riot song?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:38 | 4751616 Winston Churchill
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The mouse that roared.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:40 | 4751624 alien-IQ
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That should pretty much guarantee DOW 17k today. If it goes nuclear...DOW 36K no problem.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:47 | 4751662 Cast Iron Skillet
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nuclear - that should make the DOW really pop!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:25 | 4752708 lakecity55
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Man, the markets were rally Glowing today!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:32 | 4751887 Emergency Ward
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Fuck a few years ago I thought 14k was 10 years away, then 15k came and climbed up the the impossible 16k, and Knock-Knock who's there k, k who, 17k.  Oh, the euphoria of Obamanomics -- the promise of bombs and stock buybacks !!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:41 | 4751627 Fiat agnostic
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Should make the Dow go up!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:41 | 4751629 Z_End
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The fuse is lit...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:48 | 4751670 Truther
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And here comes Barry blowing.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:41 | 4751631 laomei
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Haha, this just gets better and better.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:42 | 4751632 Uber Vandal
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Wait a minute, I thought these types of declarations only happened on a Wednesday, so if/when SHTF, 48 hours later, the all important markets would be closed.

Did someone not get the memo?

<sarc intended, but this whole thing is making me ill>

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:49 | 4751678 indygo55
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Isn't this week that MILLION MAN MARCH ON WASHINGTON is supposed to happen? Haven't seen any mention of it on CNN or Yahoo. I wonder why? Sarc off/

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:43 | 4751640 Truther
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Denis Pushilin: " And by the way Nuland..... Fuck you".

 

Denis the Menace.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:46 | 4751657 walküre
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Austria gave the world Austrian Economics, Adolf Hitler, Freud and now Conchita Wurst (winner of their Eurosong Contest).

For a small country they sure create a lot of bullshit with globally far reaching consequences.

Russia's politician calls for a pivotal moment in European history. Says they're at their wits end and too far gone off the deep end for any chance of a cultural or political turnaround.

Well, then. Let the games begin.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:56 | 4751708 OC Sure
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The Austrian school of economics is true to the pursuit of happiness.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:52 | 4751984 walküre
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So is Christianity - in theory

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:03 | 4752633 prains
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so is having your balls rubbed by a five dollar hooker from Detroit - in theory

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:33 | 4752730 ApollyonDestroy
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Then she sucks them and then you get the herps!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:06 | 4751759 NotApplicable
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Thanks for this impressive display of stupidity. It takes a special kind of dumb-ass to equate the economics of free acting humans with Hitler and his grand plans.

I would remind you that Mises had to escape Hitler's clutches, but you obviously don't care about being educated.

So, enjoy your inability to make any coherent point around here. After all, you've earned it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:51 | 4751979 walküre
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Go lecture someone who gives a shit. Not everyone agrees with Austrian School. But you cannot fathom that, can you? Besides you totally missed the point I was trying to make.

For whatever reason several game changing and far reaching events were either contrived or executed by an Austrian.

May I remind you that the world is once again at the precipice of a global war?

Perhaps Conchita Wurst's performance and "crowning" as the winner of the European competition (which included RUSSIA) is the equivalent to the Austrian's Crown Prince assassination in mind and spirit. It certainly evoked many emotions across Europe.

This is potentially 1914 redux.

If you're unable to dig deeper, I strongly suggest you forget about this Austrian School crap.

There is hope for you yet!

http://recoveringaustrians.wordpress.com/top-ten-austrian-economic-lies-...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:31 | 4752159 DogOfSinope
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If Conchita has Sarajevo in her (his?... Its?...) tour plan - who knows... Maybe you are onto something...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:56 | 4752260 TheRedScourge
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Run the same sort of thorough analysis you ran on Austrians on the Jews and get back to us with the results. Not that I'm just against the Jews or anything, but their massive influence on the world is undeniable, for better or worse (though in truth, mostly worse).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:23 | 4752351 walküre
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It's all been done before. To stick with the topic at hand. Who is pulling the strings in Ukraine and trying to stir Europe, America, Russia etc into another great global conflict? It all seems too contrived and planned to have any chance to be purely accidental. Are the debt brothers calling in their loans? Seems like it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:10 | 4752311 Seeing Red
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Regarding Link:  Boring despite some arguably valid points that don't amount to much.  Am I supposed to worship PK now?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:20 | 4752341 walküre
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Just a link. I didn't write it.

PK is to some a high-priest of another failed economic gospel.

There are generally too many worshippers and too few truly independent minds.

What we need is more free thought.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:40 | 4752394 Seeing Red
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If I were the NSA, I'd be watching who up-votes you.  Me?  Oh, gosh no, I couldn't possibly agree with that kind of radical thinking.  Nosiree -- I'm all for the status quo!  Oh, and PK is a genius!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:09 | 4751772 Kirk2NCC1701
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Austria also gave us the Hapsburgs.  The Harpsichords slept their way into real estate... by marrrying off their brood of princes and princesses into other European royal elite.

Even Russia's Catherine The Great was of German descent.  She was also a nympho and into horses.  And they were into her.  Now that's "German-Russian porn" one can get into.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:22 | 4752128 Boogity
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The Hapsburgs also took inbreeding to new levels and gave humanity all manner of new deformities including the famous Hapsburg Jaw as well as the infamous German-Austrian micro-penis, which IMO is what made Adolph so very angry, especially at Jewish men who are known to be packing humungous circumcised Kosher sausages (e.g. Albert Einstein)

IMHO the German-Austrian micro-penis not only was the root cause fo WW1 and WW2 but it also explains why so many hot blonde German-Austrian babes run off with Black and Turkish dudes (e.g. Heidi Klum).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:33 | 4752380 Things that go bump
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The last of the Spanish Hapsburgs, poor King Charles II, or Charles the Bewitched, had at least 2 genetic disorders, his head was so deformed and his jaw so prognathic he couldn't even chew his food. He was an imbicile and is classified by geneticists as being more inbreed than the offspring of a brother-sister mating.  

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:12 | 4752661 markar
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"The Hapsburgs also took inbreeding to new levels and gave humanity all manner of new deformities including the famous Hapsburg Jaw as well as the infamous German-Austrian micro-penis, which IMO is what made Adolph so very angry"

Soon to be a new Broadway musical "Adolph and the Angry Inch"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:25 | 4751811 Kirk2NCC1701
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Totally contrived stage name of "Conchita Wurst".

Conchita is "little conch".  Alluding to female parts.  Wurst = German for Sausage.  Alluding to...

Combine the two and whaddya get?  A Hermaphrodite!

p.s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conchita_Wurst

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:01 | 4752034 walküre
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It's a perversion. Not even shocking or entertaining. A guy with a good voice, dresses up like a woman and keeps his beard for shock value. That this gets any recognition let alone a reward is a farce to all others who competed with equally good or even better voices. I think they should send this pervert to sing in Teheran. On second thought, the Iranians don't deserve seeing this either.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4752187 Never One Roach
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He gave the wurst performance at the Eurovision Concert last year, also.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4752201 DogOfSinope
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I'd underwrite what you said, but - good voice?! He sounded like if Woody Allen would sing Madonna's song - a bloke that can't sing imitating a woman that can't sing.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4752221 IridiumRebel
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Das raycisissis

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:10 | 4752309 suteibu
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China gave us Confucius and Mao.  One is not like the other. It is interesting to note that Confucius was around before the modern age.  Perhaps that says a lot about the trend of "modern civilization (governance and economics)" from which your list originated. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:27 | 4752717 lakecity55
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Bath House actually thought they spoke "Austrian" on a visit there.

But I bet he knows all the Gay bars in Vienna!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:47 | 4751664 Volkodav
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8.  Rus version: hop before jump...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:47 | 4751666 smoothie
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So these "anti terrorist" forces, who are they again?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:49 | 4751674 Crabshacker
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Better stock up on Russian ammo whilist you can my domestic terrorist brothers...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:22 | 4751774 CrashisOptimistic
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Do you realize that entire discussion of sanctions had the word "oil" in it only once, and that about Iran?

Strategic analysis is stuck in the 1990s and in believing their own abundance narrative, which they continue at $100.56.

Under that narrative they cannot accept that there is nowhere, NOWHERE, else to get 3 mbpd, let alone the entire 6-7 mbpd Russia exports -- and it's such an easy sell to their citizens to shut half that off, saying . . . "yes, we will lose export revenue, but we'll have that oil still in the ground for our grandchildren.  Our enemies won't.  Our grandchildren will have American grandchildren to clean their toilets, in return for which we'll offer them a bucket of oil now and then, if they beg politely and it's Christmas."

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:40 | 4751932 Theta_Burn
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An easy sell to their citizens?

All they would need to do is point towards any deep sea port at all the Chinese tankers lined up..

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:08 | 4752070 CrashisOptimistic
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Well, I was including the Chinese as enemies.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:51 | 4751683 Guitarbill
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Personally i hope they push those neo-nazi/Black Water/EU pricks back to the shit hole they came from....but hey, that's just me.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4751822 Carpenter1
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One of the first declarations Russia made was that they'll kill mercs. 400 body bags coming home soon.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:01 | 4752280 ThisIsBob
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Those guys if Americans (yes)  and if there with the approval of the USA (yes) are worth a lot more if captured alive.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:22 | 4751835 Emergency Ward
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Watch it, if Obama had sons from the Ukraine they would look like those neo-nazi fucks.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:55 | 4751684 Jayda1850
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I knew the western propaganda went full retard when I heard CBS refer to voters in Donestk as pro-russian "insurgents"! I shit you not, almost threw something through my TV

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:02 | 4751736 Slave
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You still watch TV?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:56 | 4752261 knukles
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Boxing 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:52 | 4751688 thethirdcoast
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More talentless:

<- Conchita Wurst

<- Pussy Riot

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:55 | 4751701 ShrNfr
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It's obvious which one is the wurst of the two.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:54 | 4751702 mandea
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wow, b-day of "donetsk people'e republic! such a great success, who's next? what are the next putin's republics? I mean, not "people's republic" because in 2-3 weeks they will surely vote to integrate to russia:))

what a shitty jokie to use name of "people's republic" to extend territories. Who organized these elections? A bunch of "free people"? Oh, well, then let'S make referndums, all the time and everywhere.

Alright, US did not do well with Irakq and  Libya and so on. But now we know that rogozin and putin do not do any better. Even more pathetic. Don't you agree? Or, all Russia Today infiltrated agents here to vote and throw supid comments?

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:03 | 4751738 Bioscale
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RT pays people for what? For commenting on ZH? Are you ok?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:16 | 4752679 caustixoid
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Well, to be fair, the troll did prove his point that there are trolls on ZH.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:09 | 4751762 Theta_Burn
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"They fucked up, and Putins mopping up"

And just like in Iraq,Libya,Eqypt the collaborators each got a pallet of $100 bills

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:09 | 4751776 Volkodav
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better worry about your own country

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4751821 BlindMonkey
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People's Republic of Texas. Please oh please let the People's Republic of Texas be next!!!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:23 | 4751844 newworldorder
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You may yet get your wish, followed by a close demand by the new Texas Republic to rejoin Mexico.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:33 | 4751890 BlindMonkey
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I hear Mexico is considering legalizing vigilante groups. Since they don't have a functioning government and openly allow self policing I suspect it would still represent an improvement.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:55 | 4752250 Winston of Oceania
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Why would free people choose a communist name?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:26 | 4752712 Grouchy Marx
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To confuse Bostonians.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:25 | 4751856 mandea
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:))))))) ok, in the meatime, see that your salary is reduced on a daily basis, that kopeica shitty thing is tanking. So, it goes.....

BTW,  do you drive "LADA"? or "still "Moskva"? or "Trabant"? Oh, nooo, you want desperately BMW, or Mercedes, or a nice mini, crazy mf......

what junkie joke 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:30 | 4751873 Theta_Burn
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Dude

Never go full retard...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 21:37 | 4753117 Abbie Normal
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For a while there, Kiev had the title of world's highest per capita ownership of Mercedes Benz S-class cars.  Pretty impressive considering there weren't any M-Bz dealers in the whole country.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:26 | 4751857 mandea
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:))))))) ok, in the meatime, see that your salary is reduced on a daily basis, that kopeica shitty thing is tanking. So, it goes.....

BTW,  do you drive "LADA"? or "still "Moskva"? or "Trabant"? Oh, nooo, you want desperately BMW, or Mercedes, or a nice mini, crazy mf......

what junkie joke 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:29 | 4752151 PRO.223
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Boy, you got a lot of chins.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:32 | 4751884 Apeman
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I get 6 rubles per post. Yay, another 6 rubles. Vodka time, baby.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:57 | 4751716 robertocarlos
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The people should have torched that polling station with those balaclava wearing motherfuckers inside.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:01 | 4751731 ptoemmes
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9. Don't make us go all "Beyonce's sister on Jay-Z" on your sorry asses.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:01 | 4751733 Theta_Burn
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Peculiar that the Washington lackeys haven't weighed in yet.

The silence is deafening, more sanctions? station 6 more planes in Finland? all the usual neocons gathered at the table asking each other, "got any ideas"?

How at this point this could be spun as Russian conquest or results rigged would come off as stupid as their plan for the region to begin with..

The soldiers on either side aren't the ones needing to be shot...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:08 | 4751764 mandea
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so, if sanctions-----then it's west's fault. No sanctions, wtf, why silence? if military intervention, oh, it's the west who is doing all this crap, if no military, neocons "do not have any ideas". So, what#s your point?

You know, better let people vote for whatever they want to. Just make sure it doesn' spread because sooner or later they will flock to west to for any job but before they will overthrow whatever gov. they have there. So it goes. Stupidity has a price, right?:)

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:13 | 4751790 Volkodav
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so you are stupid and broke?

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:16 | 4751807 mandea
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buddy, shut the fuck up and have some cheap vodka, ok? 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:29 | 4751870 Volkodav
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your little ad hominem attack is not sign of intelligence

Best Vodka is Rodnik  Samara Brewery 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:21 | 4751832 BlindMonkey
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I would rather have a bunch of Russians over here than Mexicans. Just MHO.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:26 | 4751859 Theta_Burn
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The west orchestrates a coup to destablize a historically Russian county...on Russias border no less, and as you see, Putin didn't roll over.

Alot of tough talk of costs to Putin, according to last weeks righteous diatribe.

As far as letting the people vote, isn't that what America & Co. is trying to spread across the globe?

Let me guess, a Hillary supporter?

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:53 | 4751977 Mesquite
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Sneaky stuff going on in the backround... But the link 'dissappeared' in last few hours.,., Going to get messy (more) over there...Sad,,, Shortage of conscience in DC...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:03 | 4751737 Jstanley011
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Putin's playbook makes for a much more interesting read. He's getting everything he wants, just making simple position moves with pawns.

  1. Introduce forces on the ground.
  2. Hold a referendum to legitimize those forces.
  3. Hit the clock as you look up and give your "democratic" opponent a deadpan "your move" look.

And he hasn't lost a' one. Yet...

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:06 | 4751754 Uncle Remus
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.

Putin's playbook makes for a much more interesting read.

Especially considering he doesn't use a crayon.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:09 | 4751771 mandea
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so, what did he get? a poor area to take care? what did he get?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:48 | 4751962 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The point that must not be missed and weighted carefully is all these toppling was not desired by Russia. That is the most interesting point. It is not wished. The most comical is the awckward reaction of the countries supposedly supporting Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:10 | 4752076 Bioscale
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The whole recent story/history is really strange. Sometimes I feel that is smells too much. But I'm not going to claim that US and EU conspired with Russia.. oh no, I wrote it, no, fuck no, I must be crazy, fuck

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:04 | 4751747 Bryan
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My guess is... this is BULLISH for the stock market!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:05 | 4751751 Hammerabi
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Hi Tyler -

Can you please tell me why a majority of the market should care about these events?

Thanks,

Hammerabi

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:07 | 4751761 Uncle Remus
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You typed that with a straight face didn't you?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:10 | 4751780 CrashisOptimistic
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I hope he had a straight face, because he's right. 

There is nothing in the HFT algorithms that would care about referenda.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:24 | 4751849 BlindMonkey
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Do the algos care about $17 bil in loan guarantees? I would think so but, then again, I don't personally know any algos to ask that question.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:54 | 4751995 Uncle Remus
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HFT algorithms are in fact susceptible to EMP. Russia does in fact have WMD with intercontinental delivery capability. More importantly to Europe, Russia has stated in no uncertain terms they will use tactical nukes if push comes to shove.

This ain't no Eye-raq, no fuckin' bin Laden, this ain't no foolin' around.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:25 | 4752138 Hammerabi
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Oh nuclear war! Ok got it. Thanks!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4752198 IridiumRebel
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War has a tendency to fuck with supply chains, price of oil, price of commodities. The referendum means we are just that much closer to a NATO v RUS showdown. this all should be good for a couple thou more one the DOW and S&P 2200 by July....it's bullish! 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:05 | 4752293 Sweet Chicken
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Excellent Talking Heads reference thrown in there. +1

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:29 | 4751868 Hammerabi
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Does Gyp Rosetti look like he's smiling?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:58 | 4752272 knukles
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+ for the Bdwlk Emp ref.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:49 | 4752436 MisterMousePotato
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Interestingly, Ukraine produces about as much garlic as does the entire United States (slightly more - 166 million pounds? tons?).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:06 | 4751753 Joe A
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A community organizer must appreciate how these people organize themselves.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4751824 newworldorder
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He knows nothing about "ethnic" community organizing. His knowledge covers only racial community organizing.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:26 | 4751861 Joe A
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And Marxist-Lenist.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:29 | 4751871 newworldorder
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I disagree. He missed this part of his education from High School to Law School.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:39 | 4751922 Joe A
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But he picked it up somewhere

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:43 | 4751939 fencejumper
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You really believe Obama is a Marxist-Leninist? On what do you base your opinion?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:49 | 4751967 Joe A
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Obummercare?

Back in his younger days he was one for sure.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:28 | 4752715 caustixoid
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TOTOS' mom was a CIA operative, as was young TOTUS.  He received more GS campaign money than any other candidate, ever.  And you're saying he's a fucking marxist????  

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:07 | 4751760 NoWayJose
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Once there is enough killing between the two sides, a civil war is inevitable.  As long as both sides are only fighting 'for the government' there is a chance for de-escalation.  But once your start losing family and relatives, the ugly monster of revenge rears its ugly head and creates the necessary number of fanatics that kill for killing's sake. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:12 | 4752320 gcjohns1971
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Yeah,

It makes you wonder why the rush to confrontation, doesn't it?

How, exactly, can they get military bases out of Donetsk in 48 hours???  They can't.   Even if they were willing, they'd have to leave all the equipment behind.

What about the families of the professional soldiers who moved there?  Are they supposed to pack up, move, sell their house, and find a new one in 48 hours?  Thousands of them? What would that do to all the available transportation? - It would be gone before they even got a tiny portion out of Donetsk.

They may as well have told them to establish a colony on Mars in 48 hours.  Either demand is equally realistic.

The ultimatum is not an ultimatum at all.  They knew it was an impossible demand at the very beginning.

It is a declaration of war.

 

And more... even in local recordings everyone among those wanting to join Russia takes great pains to assure everyone around them that there will be no Ukraine elections? 

Why not?  Does the earth cease to exist if they let an election happen?  Will they become robots who are unable to do all these same things if they don't like the result of the elections?  Why the rush?  Would a referendum the day after the election show a different result than one the day before?  How? Why?

Could it simply be that the people in key positions in Donetsk would change with any Ukrainian election, and that the 'vote' is more reflective of who is in charge instead of who is voting?

What is going on here? 

The propaganda from the East and the West doesn't match the evidence.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 19:09 | 4752652 WTFUD
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@ gc71
Suppose you've never seen a 1000 strong Gypsy Camp move out in under an hour!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:09 | 4751769 Atomizer
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What does the State Department talking horse have to say about this?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:16 | 4752331 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

What does the State Department talking horse have to say about this?

It is difficult to interpret. Kerry made his latest comments using the State Department hoof-tapping cipher.

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