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Donetsk Warns Ukraine Army Located In The East To "Leave In 48 Hours" Or Face War
Update: And just to make sure Russia has a catalyst:
- UKRAINE FORCES ATTACK EASTERN CITY OF SLOVYANSK, INTERFAX SAYS
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With the US having voiced its support for Ukraine's "anti-terrorist" operations, and Russia strongly supportive of pro-Russian people's decisions to regional self-determination, the threats coming from the newly independent regions are a concern (that markets clearly do not care about):
- DONETSK ARMY SAYS WILL FIGHT UKRAINE FORCES IF DEADLINE IGNORED
Ukrainian military forces have 48 hours to leave the region or Donetsk own "anti-terrorist" forces will fight. Of course, with the US already saying the referendums are illegal and not recognizing them, we suspect it will be time for more sanctions soon (despite the lessons below).
Insurgent group army of so-called Donetsk People’s Republic “will start its own anti-terrorist operation in Donetsk region” against Ukrainian military forces if they don’t heed seperatist army chief Igor Girkin’s 48-hour ultimatum to leave or obey him, head of seperatist group, Denis Pushilin, says by phone.
So... buy stocks?
And a different perspective on which the western approach to resolving the Ukraine crisis may not be exactly "working."
Lessons on Sanctions Based on Past Experience (via PIIE)
1. Don’t overreach. Policymakers should avoid inflated expectations of what sanctions can accomplish. Sanctions seldom impair the military potential or change the policies of an important targeted power. Modest goals contribute to successful outcomes. Thus it may make more sense to achieve the modest goal of thwarting an impending invasion of Eastern Ukraine than to try to reverse the fait accompli of Russia’s annexation of Crimea.
2. Russian economic integration with the West is an advantage. Economic sanctions are most effective when aimed against close trading partners with more to lose.
3. Don’t count on Russian public opinion. It is hard to “bully a bully” with economic measures. Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure than autocratic regimes like Russia.
4. Slam the hammer; don’t turn the screw. Economic sanctions are best deployed with maximum impact. Gradually imposed steps may simply strengthen the target national government’s resolve. In the present case, threatening very heavy sanctions if Russian armed forces cross the Ukrainian border has the best chance of deterrence.
5. International cooperation is not always essential, but in the case of Russia, it probably is. A large coalition of sanctioning countries does not necessarily make the sanctions highly likely to succeed. Financial sanctions against Iran, on the other hand, succeeded in large part because they were backed by an international coalition of countries willing to forgo Iranian oil imports and dealings with Iranian banks. To be sure, the effort to gain international support can dilute their scope. But the United States has little choice but to gain the cooperation of Western Europe in this case.
6. Choose the right tool. Sanctions deployed in conjunction with other measures, such as covert action or military operations, increase chances of success. So far, the United States has been reluctant to provide substantial military assistance to Ukraine, out of concern that Russia will escalate its own intervention. Instead, the military dimension of US support has been limited to greater assistance to NATO allies in the region, especially Poland.
7. Don’t be a cheapskate or spendthrift. Sanctioning governments must balance the benefits against the costs borne domestically to sustain public support at home. At present, the United States, but especially Europe, are facing the resistance of major business firms over the possibility of severe energy and financial sanctions.
8. Look before you leap. Sanctioning governments should weigh their means and objectives against unintended costs and consequences. In the Ukrainian case, all signs indicate that President Obama and his European counterparts (especially Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany) are giving each step of the sanctions regime their carefully guarded attention.
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Ask Mr. Ed. He'll know. He is after all, the smartest and most honest one of the bunch.
Nuland to the front with a couple pallets of cookies!!!
That should be a one way flight with McCain "piloting" the plane. That would be true "sweetness for the American people.
Just what the world needs: Nuland tossing cookies again.
Putin scored 6 goals in a hockey game...he won 24 to 3 I think....so he is probably pretty cocky right now..picking a new country to take
They are not the only one pushing for a fight, it is going to happen. wouldn't be surprised if a ship was taken out sometime in the near future. They are pushing for a reaction and reason to stomp
who ever backs off loses.
Washington D.C. globalists are going to shit in their hat an pull it over their ears. They are sad sach LOSERS.
They are, well to put it nicely: homosexuals.
USSA- a country run by drunken queers.
The vasoline concession in DC must be a money-maker!
Fast forward four years:
Texas warns US Army located in the East to "leave in 48 hours" or face war.
Another very good interview today on the Ukraine question on DemocracyNow with Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and at Princeton University:
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/12/after_chaotic_autonomy_votes_negot...
"Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure than autocratic regimes like Russia."
That's the autocratic regime that put 200,000 webcams in polling stations across the country so they could improve confidence and integrity in their electoral system. If that's autocracy then what does democracy look like? Putin could be the biggest asshole on the planet, but he's a popular asshole.
And how does technology affect polling in western democracy? Diebold Election Systems.
There is some order from commander of the Armed Forces , Colonel Strelkov (DNR) flying around on the internet. This order is calling to reassign all military forces, police and prosecutors including border patrol and Air Navigation under control of DNR Armed forces. In addition, this order is also calling Russia for Peacekeeping force.
This is ugly!
The power of a small tributary of truth from sources such as Zero Hedge, Global Research and Antiwar.com flowing into the mainstream of propaganda concentrated in the five-mega-corporation media monopoly is counteracting the latter’s propaganda push for war, changing public opinion. Truthful information is power. Here's proof that tiny nuggets of truth placed in the right spot create waves of larger truths:
Ignorance Is the War Party’s Strength: Poll shows lack of information key to interventionist sentiment | Justin Raimondo, Antiwar.com | May 12, 2014
As the Ukraine "crisis" captured the attention of the US public, a unique poll was taken by a team of political scientists: they wanted to know how many Americans could locate Ukraine on a map – and how this related to their view of what the US reaction ought to be. As the authors stated in a Washington Post article, the result was:
"We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force." …
Moreover, the knowledge factor as a key determinant of public opinion goes way beyond the stark choice of nonintervention versus military force. The researchers found that:
"Even controlling for a series of demographic characteristics and participants’ general foreign policy attitudes, we found that the less accurate our participants were, the more they wanted the US to use force, the greater the threat they saw Russia as posing to US interests, and the more they thought that using force would advance US national security interests; all of these effects are statistically significant at a 95 percent confidence level. Our results are clear, but also somewhat disconcerting: The less people know about where Ukraine is located on a map, the more they want the US to intervene militarily."
As I’m writing this, I’m tweeting the poll results, and just got a response from one Abdelhakim Abuyasin, in Kuwait, who tweeted back:
"Why are we surprised? Same population elected George Bush …… TWICE."
To which I replied:
"Yes but Americans are still overwhelmingly opposed 2 US intervention. So they’re learning. Progress, my friend! Progress!"
It would be all too easy to write off the American people as hopelessly mired in the militarist mindset, but if we integrate the above cited poll with other recent polls showing most Americans are against US intervention we see not just reason for hope but for genuine optimism... A December 2013 Pew poll on America’s role in the world reiterated this growing sentiment:
"Fifty-two percent say the United States ‘should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.’ Just 38% disagree with the statement. This is the most lopsided balance in favor of the US ‘minding its own business’ in the nearly 50-year history of the measure."
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/05/11/ignorance-is-the-war-partys-strength/
Good one, JR.
"The power of a small tributary of truth from sources such as Zero Hedge, Global Research and Antiwar.com." Add Democracy Now to your list. I linked just above here to an excellent interview they did with Professor Stephen Cohen today, in which he clearly demonstrates the US's role and hypocrisy:
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/12/after_chaotic_autonomy_votes_negot...
JR, I agree with you point, but I would never ever bet on americans to wake up before it's too late.
Don't forget americans have Ron Paul who's been saying the truth for more than twenty years and ... he's been completely ignored. I'm afraid US might be already lost.
RP has been ignored by the USGMSM more than by The People.
Sure, but how many of The People are there? 10% of the US population?
JR... No one is talking about Ukraine as more than an aside.
That is why no one knows where it is, or anything more about it.
There are 10 times as many stories about gay sportsmen being drafted into American football as there are about Ukraine.
People hear no more than a line or two during the evening news and ... BOOM ... its off to a discussion of Barbara Walters' news career, the decline of 'talent show' programming, and whether it is discrimination to draft a gay sportsmen later than he thinks his talent deserves.
There is some order from commander of the Armed Forces , Colonel Strelkov (DNR) flying around on the internet. This order is calling to reassign all military forces, police and prosecutors including border patrol and Air Navigation under control of DNR Armed forces. In addition, this order is also calling Russia for Peacekeeping force.
This is ugly!
"Democratic regimes" - regimes is an apt description. US: One lously, meaningless vote every 4 years - no right to recall, initiative or referendum, votes routinely overturned by judicial fiat.
ESSU, even worse, just Brussels bureaucrats dictating without restraint.
I thought this was a telling remark yesterday by former defense secretary Gates on Face the Nation. (he worked for six presidents!) You can go almost to the end and start at 14:19 (previously he did discuss Russia & Ukraine if you want to hear that) He says, when asked about China threatening Vietnam, "... you may see more frequent conflicts & confrontations in the future if people don't believe the United States is willing to assert its role as (he searches for the right words) guardian of the international order." Who named us guardian of the international order?
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/robert-gates-us-has-very-few-tactical-options-in-ukraine/
the Central Bankers and their Zionist stooges.
Woodrow Wilson.
With a double-down by Harry Truman, and so on by every President up to the present day.
in 48 hours civil war in Ukraine will have officially begun
Contrary to popular belief, Russia does not want to take over all of Ukraine. Ukraine can definitely keep the Chernobyl.
With the adoption of the Ruble in the East, Hryvna's are going to be pushed out of local circulation and into the Western Ukraine. That will only add to already out of control inflation.
A deadline of 48 hours is not realistic.
It guarantees a shooting confrontation.
Combined with no-one being willing to wait even days for an election...
I have to wonder what, exactly, people think they will get by courting a shooting confrontation?
Something in the Ukraine doesn't add up to what either the East's OR West's propagandists are selling.
It takes one step and one turn of a wheel to start moving. 48 hours to do that?
I'll mail your employer a demand to be out of your current state in the next 48 hours.
Think you'll be able to move all your stuff that quick? Sell the apartment? Load up the family? Find a new place to live? In 48 hours?
What about everyone else at your employer?
Or did you think that everyone from the Ukrainian Army in Donetsk arrived last week?
Think you'll be able to get all the business's stuff out of their warehouse that quick?
Do you know a forklift fairy that will make so many forklifts with one operator each arrive to allow what Kiev owns to be loaded up and shipped out from what was part of Ukraine moments before?
Or did you honestly expect them to leave everything behind?
How will they get all the vehicles in the fleet working? In 40 years of looking I've never seen a fleet where 100% were operating for even one day.
All those people moving will probably fill up all the trains.
How they going to move the equipement then?
So school me.
Exactly how do they do that?
Nyet...that is plenty of notice
I see.
You either expect that there was no Ukrainian Army in Ukraine that did not recently arrive.
Or you expect to rob them of everything that they can't move by your deadline.
Rabotnk nozh i topara
skolko cem ti vobshe voroval bi?
Skolko soldat v armi tuda peremestilis tolko prikazem? Skolko tam soldatskiye semyi ne mogut ot tuda tak bistro? Normalnie ludi vchera bili prostiye apparatniki, sevodnya oni bez domniye.
Vi v obshe vce kriminali.
If you take orders from the fascists in Kiev move there rous like
But today is only Monday. I thought they have to wait until the weekend.
Geez,
How about not sanctioning at all?
How about acknowledging that Crimea was always a lost cause? (Not to mention stupid and useless!)
The entire genesis of this thing is energy.
How about a novel idea? How about they address the actual issue rather than spending all their time rattling sabres, or fomenting revolutions, or sending brainless propaganda boobs out in droves?
Is that too much to ask? Hmmm?
Of course it is. There are still people who think their governments work for their people's interests rather than for their own personal interest exclusively.
It is the brainless dupes that turn my stomach even more than the greasy lie-peddlers.
At some point, after people have caught the propagandists in a certain number of lies but still insist on believing in them - you just have to accept that the propagandists aren''t the problem.
The EU is an oligarchy ruled by banksters.
The US is an oligarchy ruled by banksters.
Russia is an oligarchy ruled by former communist apparachiks and gangsters.
The nationalism people attach to these criminals is itself criminal.
This may affect the global prices of fuel (oil, gas) and food by winter. CYA accordingly.
Combined with massive draught in the US (world's) breadbasket, it's going to be hell.
Well, it looks like this will come down to who can win a ground battle. Moral would be much higher on the Federalist side, as Odessa showed in clear terms what Kiev has planned for the East. There is nothing like having your life at stake to raise moral and encourage full participation. Kiev is clueless, as they keep listening to their CIA advisors and keep demanding compliance with Kiev's rule. Since fire bombs and mobs put the Kiev rulers into power, the East has ignored the Kiev calls for submission to Kiev's power. Now the East is saying, if you hold power over us, you are going to have to come and prove it. Otherwise, piss off back to Kiev and crawl back under your rock.
Washington's front person, Ms. Nuland is making the rounds of Eastern NATO members, vowing to defeat any Russian attack on Poland and the Baltics. Since Nuland fucked up Ukraine, she has shifted her focus to the north. That this stupid bitch is still an American representitve is a clear signal that the Obama blood bath machine is still intent on war. Nuland is hoping to widen that war to bring in full NATO members in support of the Kiev Nazi Party.
Nuland and her Neo-Con husband and his Israeli cabal are way ahead of the fool Peace Prize Winner, they will bring about a wide scale war before Obama has time to Drone attack a few more wedding parties and children's birthday parties.
American foreign policy has been living by the sword since 2001, this time pehaps they have gone a step too far. In the next couple days we may find out, Nuland should be under arrest for war crimes, instead she is planning her next holiday in Israel and her next war in Ukraine.
No. No holiday in Israel.
Notice how the French and Ukrainian Jews are all headed for Israel? Certainly more from many other countries that are being Nazified.
No, the plan is to get them all into one small place - not the 'superior' Jews, of course - and eliminate them all at once.
This is a big piece of the plan, has been since WWII, and is working smoothly. The worst thing that can happen for the NWO is the Jews all spread out, Diaspora v.2. I don't think they're smart enough, but we'll see.
Of course the Stawks are going up.... War means moar QE. Don't you feckin' people listen anymore.. ?
you lost me at...(emphasis mine)...
3. Don’t count on Russian public opinion. It is hard to “bully a bully” with economic measures. Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure than autocratic regimes like Russia.
dude, ever hear of the pot and the kettle?
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WAR MAY 28 NEW MOON
Is this a Mario Savio moment in East Ukraine?
"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio - Sproul Hall, University of California, Berkeley on December 2, 1964.
Fifty years on, the machine is still grinding up the fodder.
With each side calling the other "terrorists" and fighting about to get underway, it's time for me to remind folks of this ancient proverb:
UBER- BULLISH!
If war is imminent it doesn't matter if you're money is in stocks or elsewhere it's good as gone. LOL.
I was going to bash this comment:
3. Don’t count on Russian public opinion. It is hard to “bully a bully” with economic measures. Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure than autocratic regimes like Russia.
But then again they never said the 'democratic regimes' included the US.
Donetsk has an army? To paraphrase Stalin, how many divisions? How many tanks? There is a certain kabuki quality to this drama. Is Donetsk going to kick Ukraine's butt?
Donetsk's frontline soldiers and equipment are pretty sparse, but their reserves are to die for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military
It would not be Russia alone, but the CIS, which has a military coordination unit for peacekeeping, as it is called: http://www.cisstat.com/eng/c6.htm
France is bowing out, Germany is bowing, truthfully all but England, Poland and the USSA (what's left of NATO) is proactively supporting hostilities, now, independent Eastern and Southern regions of the old Ukraine which have become the new red-light-district of the foreign mercenaries.
Ukraine - the new EU Somalia? Or more along the lines of EU Libya, just bands of fighters fighting each other?
EU Odet Yinon.
"Democratic regimes are more susceptible to economic pressure"
No shit. Is Greece going to default?
Couldn't find much on Slovyansk, but here:
"A spokesman for the local self-defense forces said military helicopters had been used to shell the village of Andreyevka, where pro-Russian separatists have established a checkpoint, with heavy mortars and howitzers, Interfax reported."
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ukraine-government-continues-...
It looks like the Kiev junta chose the same tactics as Saakashvili during 2008 Georgian invasion of South Ossetia and artillery shelling of the capital city of Tskhinvali.
Not a surprise. Saakashvili is junta's adviser.
McDonalds is taking the toy out of all Happy Meals served in the breakaway oblasts.
That's gonna hurt.
The announcement about the separatist's anti-terrorists operation is fake.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1399917958 (this is official information from separatists). English version lags so far.
Why do they use .su domain? It is really bad for PR, imho.
Seems, the site has been created for the internal usage mainly. In this case SU domain sounds like inspiring and uniting people from the USSR. They need PR too. But getting together now is more vital.
'Afghan Taliban embrace USSA sanctions as the (NA) Northern Alliance tribes (Uzbek's,Tajik's, Hazaraz, etel) Non-Pashtun's seek a fraticidal civil war... ?'
,... as usual Obama doesn't understand that the Chinese have washed their-hands in the neighborhood of (Uyghur's?) Zinjiang. This means that they hold the Pakistani's as great friends-- whereas america's meddling a problem they created when Brzezenski did the 'Frankenstein' experiment with his adopted dual-enmity aberration known as the, 'Mujahideen'!
and, Xi says ... Get Fuck'd!
so Putin says nothing and leaves Ukraine to it's own devises while Afghanistan burns... another gambit sacrificed by checker'd face Obi1!
jmo
great foreign policy-- myopic genius's
It'd be great if Putin would never have offered any encouraging words. Maybe the East would have joined Maidan protests to get more autonomy:
1) your own mayor
2) your own local law enforcement
3) your own regional officials
....
Smpathetic Russians will supply endless "lawyers, guns and money. " The Ukranian regulars don't stand a chance fighting locals who go home at night.
WTF???
In the left corner, fighting on behalf of the Western oligarchs, we have the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi's. And in the right corner, fighting on behalf of the Eastern oligarchs, we have the Russian speaking Ukrainian separatists. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. (In my best Michael Buffer voice). LLLLLLLLet's get RRRRRReady tooooo RRRRRRUUUUUMMMMBBBBBLLLLEEEEEEEE!
are the neo-nazi any of these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzdXDKK9x5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSb8uozxBpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5r8OOdxYE0
Do you believe you are asking the right question?
So UNARMED east Ukrainians are ready to fight the govt military, while HEAVILY ARMED American so-called "patriots" sit on their gutless coward asses doing NOTHING about the govt stirring up all this shit over there ...and lots of other places.
TWO Ukraine provinces have SECEDED now, but NO American states are even contemplating secession from the most corrupt psychopathic government on the planet.
Americans are the BIGGEST COWARDS on the planet.
How EMBARRASSING does it have to get you DAMN DISGUSTING COWARDS?
I suppose these guys will replace their pipes and clubs with AK-47s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5r8OOdxYE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzdXDKK9x5c