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Glenn Greenwald On The 2016 Elections – "They'll Probably Have A Gay Person After Hillary"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Glenn Greenwald is not one known for pulling punches, and in this excellent interview with GQ Magazine titled, The Man Who Knows Too Much, he is in particularly rare form. Credit must be given to the interviewer, who asked a wide range of very interesting questions that allowed Greenwald the opportunity to discuss a lot more than merely his Pulitzer Prize winning journalism on the Edward Snowden documents. From the fact that the biggest NSA stories have yet to be published, to thoughts on the 2016 elections, this interview really has it all.

Here are some of what I thought were the most interesting and informative excerpts. From GQ:

How much more is there to release—and what burden do you feel to get it out there?

We published the first article [about the NSA collecting Verizon phone records] while I was in Hong Kong last June and won’t stop until we’re done. I think we will end the big stories in about three months or so [June or July 2014]. I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There’s a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I’m saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it.

What do you think would happen if Snowden were to fly from, say, Moscow to New York today?

 

I think it would be a huge media circus, and then he would be instantly arrested and probably rendered incommunicado for the entire duration of his judicial proceeding on the grounds that he has classified information that could damage the United States. The prosecutors would say he would have to be kept away from media. He would just be disappeared. Rendered completely invisible and mute.

 

When Daniel Ellsberg was on trial [for leaking the Pentagon Papers], he was allowed to speak out and defend himself.Which is why Ellsberg wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post last July saying Snowden was absolutely right to flee, because America has changed so drastically. Snowden would never be released on bail and would never get a fair trial.

 

Yeah, like the incident you quote in the book about Bill Keller [former executive editor of The New York Times] on the BBC…

 

Yeah, where he’s boasting about the fact that they don’t publish things without the government being happy with what they’re doing. And it obviously has resulted in the suppression of all kinds of important stories, which is the most inexcusable thing that can happen in journalism. And that has happened repeatedly at the Times. I think they’ve essentially become this mouthpiece for those in power, perhaps not consciously. When I make this critique, people at The New York Times are offended, because they actually don’t believe that it’s happening. And they’re not lying. It’s a more subtle dynamic than the government marching in and issuing memos to the Timesabout what they should and shouldn’t publish. It’s just a cultural approach to the news that basically says that the parameters of what can be discussed and viewed as reasonable are the ones that are endorsed by the most powerful financial and political factions in New York and Washington. They’re reflecting the mind-set of those elite groups rather than challenging them or confronting them. Obviously there are exceptions. There’s some good journalists there; they do some good journalism; they’ve done some adversarial journalism. It’s not an absolute, pure, constant, all-consuming formula. But in general, that’s become the posture of the Times.

 

So that goes with your concept of adversarial journalism—and the fact that you’re sitting here on your porch in Rio, not having lunch with anybody in D.C. right now, not having lunch with anybody in Manhattan.

 

And I don’t want to be, either! This is why I’m so optimistic about the future of journalism, based on what the Internet has permitted. I do think it is a huge change that the journalists who have been at the center of what everybody already knows is the biggest story of the year, if not the decade—meaning myself and Laura—didn’t go to journalism school. We didn’t intern at The New York Times or The Washington Post. We didn’t go to work for one of the five or six big media corporations that impose the standard set of orthodoxies about how you write and think. And we didn’t attach ourselves to those institutions. We didn’t make ourselves dependent upon the standard range of sources. And then, once I was in the position where people wanted to hire, basically, my blog, I was able to negotiate full editorial independence. So I’ve been able to forge my career, not only without depending on any of those processes and those people, but staying as far away from them as I can. I have zero incentive to avoid alienating them.

 

What’s the Platonic ideal for a journalist? If you can just close your eyes and imagine this thing you’re doing, what does it look like twenty years from now?

 

The thing is, I don’t actually think there is one Platonic, pure way of doing journalism. I think the public and the political culture benefits from different forms of journalism that expose different kinds of things. But for me, the core of journalism is that it provides a check on people who we empower, by making certain that they can’t hide the corrupt and abusive things they do with that power. People wield power in all sorts of different ways. It can be local police officers. It can be the CIA. It can be school administrators. It can be corrupt corporations. All forms of human power are susceptible to abuse and likely to be abused, and transparency—shining a light on that which they’re trying to hide and that shouldn’t be hidden—is one critical way of evening the playing field. And that, to me, is what journalism in its purest essence is about.

 

Can you talk about the difference between fear and fearlessness?

 

To me, fear is like the most corrosive state of mind there is. And usually fears are about things that don’t actually exist and that aren’t real. And so I think fearlessness, meaning not allowing yourself to be limited by fears of things that aren’t real, is the most important state of being you can have. That’s the most empowering thing there is.

Now for my favorite part of the entire interview, where he just skewers the sham that is the American political process…

How do you feel about the early presidential jockeying?

 

Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a fucking hawk and like a neocon, practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she’s going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary who’s just going to do the same thing.

The best part of the above statement is that, because he himself is openly gay, he can make such commentary without being labeled “homophobic.”

I hope this happens so badly, because I think it’ll be so instructive in that regard. It’ll prove the point. Americans love to mock the idea of monarchy, and yet we have our own de facto monarchy. I think what these leaks did is, they demonstrated that there really is this government that just is the kind of permanent government that doesn’t get affected by election choices and that isn’t in any way accountable to any sort of democratic transparency and just creates its own world off on its own.

As I and many others have pointed out before, there is a good chance 2016 will see Jeb Bush vs. Hilary Clinton. Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama and then…well yep, Bush or Clinton.

American Feudalism.

Read the full interview here.

 

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:03 | 4753355 mayhem_korner
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They'll probably have a gay person after Hillary

 

"After" or "named"...?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:05 | 4753361 0b1knob
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A political "expert" who doesn't know that Choomboy is a friend of Dorothy?   And has a body servant named Reggie Love?

What a tard.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:09 | 4753369 LetThemEatRand
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Seriously?  You think he should call Obama out as gay and lose all credibility with the mainstream when he is one of the few people in the world who is challenging the status quo in a meaningful way?  Who is the tard for suggesting that.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:39 | 4753496 Caviar Emptor
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Are you better off today than you were under George W. Bush?
That's the question that can bring together angry white overweight males and screaming billionaires like the Koch brothers. The totally disenfranchised united with the ubers, the masters and the slaves. Then shall begin the latter days of the empire.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:41 | 4753506 Manthong
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After that.. a dog.

Oh, on second thought, Hillary will already have fulfilled that positivist secular progressive liberal agenda item.

..an atheist or Sharia muslim wiil probably get the  nod at that time.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:42 | 4753515 strannick
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Gay black and girl:2016. 

Cause that's all that matters

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:49 | 4753531 TahoeBilly2012
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World "progressivism" was Rothchild funded just like "Bolshevism". Destroying Christ is action item number one, but it must be done with a brand new appealing agenda. Hence, Black, Woman and Gay Presidents. It's the "alternative" offer to Christ. Don't worry, they will make more. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:54 | 4753551 knukles
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Exactly, the state assumes the position of the only higher power...
Has naught to do with religion, spirituality, etc. Simply is to solidify the lead of the state above all...
All men have higher powers if only in the final analysts, their very own ego.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:04 | 4753574 markmotive
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It doesn't really matter how soft and fuzzy el Presidente looks. He/She still seeks domestic obedience at all costs.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/06/guest-post-obedience-at-home.html

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:02 | 4753673 Ignatius
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A really fine essay.  Thanks.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:52 | 4753731 TahoeBilly2012
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To clarify myself, I don't care if a President "is" Female, Black or Gay...so long as they promote truth and peace.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:00 | 4753738 Ignatius
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...and liberty.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:33 | 4753885 negative rates
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3 months of fireworks for me.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:07 | 4754205 I am more equal...
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Gay black and girl:2016. 

Cause that's all that matters

Transgender - during the operative stage - gay black she-man would be the liberal side of the democrapic party.  Appealing to the masses and whipping the middle finger to the principals that brought us this far. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:10 | 4753745 Nehweh Gahnin
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Sorry, man, but the "Christ is our Lord" schtick was the dealbreaker for me.  Otherwise, you were doing fine.

If we meet in the field at night, and you come to me with a 'tude that I'm lesser than you or your fellow humans because I don't buy the dogma you've swallowed all your life, what's your plan?  You gonna convert me?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:42 | 4753895 economics9698
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Why would anyone want to?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:41 | 4753971 blindfaith
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Those who 'quote' Christ, rarely know what he said or why or how or when.  Just make it up as you go along, because the ones you are making these "quotes" to have no idea if you know what you are taliking about and to fearful to challenge you.   Just like Mr Greenwald says.

So the 'word' is not the deal breaker, the messenger is.  He know not of what he speak.  This is why radical politics, religeon, and MSM have become intollerable...they are based on ignorance.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:03 | 4754486 Raging Debate
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Nehweh - I won't answer for Tahoe but I enjoy the teaching of Christ. "The truth shall set you free". He taught beneficial concepts and used analogies as to how they could benefit or cause failure by ignoring them. I am a pandeist.

I know what you mean about Christians being judgemental at times. Such should read there own bible where Christ says to remove the rafter out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinter in your brothers eye.

While I encourage all to read the gospels, it is not the end all or be all of human learning and development. But the gospels do a great job describing beneficial concepts in practical living. I pray but seleom go to church because of your sentiment. If I want a drink or smoke I do it in moderation. "Everything in moderation" - Paul. Another one I liked from Paul was when he was discussing churches being set up and they started to squabble over details, forgetting the importance of concepts. He said
"Above all use reason."

The prophet Daniel calculated the reformation of Israel almost 4000 years in advance to 1947. One can take a calculator after reading the passage. That is statistical probability at the quantum level. As for me there is a why behind such ability and as one who does believe in God I think that is part of our collective learning process, to ask why. For example fasting deprives the body of minerals needed to be processed for the brain. Adrenaline replaces it, which increases beta brain waves which heightens perception.
A few brains created the quantum computer not the other way around.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:42 | 4754295 Raging Debate
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TahoeBilly - Yep you got it. By focusing on the concept of equality over liberty and justice it creates wedge issues. Think of a pyramid. Pyramids how we also organize thought we are a 3 dimensional species.

At the top of the pyramid is concepts. Liberty, justice, truth. The opposites also exist. Slavery, injustice, lies.

Under the concepts in the middle of the pyramid you have issues like gay marriage, abortion, firearm regulation. At the bottom of the pyramid is details, lots of them. Those at the top understand this so they push in the media the issues and the myriad of details surrounding them. This minimizes conceptual level thinking and creativity.

If you want to know how to act and also to be successful learn to consider the concept behind an issue. This leads to perspective. The details for planning become important afterward. If the devil is in the details that is because the concepts are ignored.

The revolution had support because of the conceptual framework of it's reasoning. It included the concept of equality but under the concept of justice.

No equal application of law means injustice as we see now. So the equality pushing is now a phony one. Americans as the majority no longer care about women, black of gay politicians. We care about injustices, lies and slavery (or substitute exploitation). To restore a Republic, justice must take precedence. All must be equal under the law - not minorities getting blessed for votes while whites are tax targets to support the largesse.

We try to teach about the issue or detail of central banking and its corrupting influence on politics. Note how people's eyes glaze over on detail. One must start by teaching that the healthy concepts have been turned on there head like liberty, truth and justice. Then letting someone know the bankers stole all the money by bribing politicians makes mores sense to them. The people get worn down by those at the top being mired in endless issues and details, they need to be awoken to think conceptually again. Short discussions as a teaser are best and those with an ear will come back asking more questions. Keep all Q&A short. I like to tell people when they respond in different ways "well, it's food for thought."

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:51 | 4753541 ZerOhead
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I think we will end the big stories in about three months or so [June or July 2014]. I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There’s a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I’m saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece.

Oh baby... bring it on!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:19 | 4753603 Cathartes Aura
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Glenn can't bring it on too quickly, there's money to be made in keeping the stories purchased episodic, no?  book deals and blogger deals, and sooo much INTEGRITY in the sales receipts.

subscribe to the narrative now!  funding by the billionaire  Omidyar, whose recent contributions include USAid, now (in)famous, but who cares? because the Fabulous Snowden is in Putin-Land, so it HAS to be part of the next big story on yer newsy!  oh such great heroic men we have joined together to Lead people to the new (book) orders ($$).

oh Glenn, tell everyone how evil the Hilary is,

She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere.

fucking righteous truths!! told by One who would never be surrounded by anything as nasty-dirty, amirite??

red meat to a salivating crowd, I mean who here doesn't LOATHE Hilary?  as so many lengthy threads have proven.

this should keep the spittle flying overnight.  critical thinkers need not apply.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:44 | 4753645 palmereldritch
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Added bonus...Snowden is now hanging with Vlad Putin!  That new evil arch nemesis and foe to western ideals of human liberty and democracy!!

Ooohhh...scary kids!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3G_beQccA

 

P.S.  Good to see you back CA

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:00 | 4753672 Cathartes Aura
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that's the really juicy bit - Snowden hanging with the new MachoMan - AND NOW, apparently the world is on the verge of a war with nukes!!!  whose side shall we vote for??

I mean, even HollyWood must be fairly aching to write the next episode on the Big Screen.

who knows what will happen next??

maybe the great Greenwald will share moar secrets!!!

 

nice to see you round too - how could we miss these times, eh.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:30 | 4753755 Lore
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Cathartes - Some of your readers here need helpful hints: 

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - V.I. Lenin

The elites look down on other races, and they look down on women. How very convenient for posterity that things are seen to unravel during the administrations of America's first negro and female presidents!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:52 | 4754745 Cathartes Aura
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absolutely - and with the current figurehead, according to majority posters here, a twofer, "gay" and Negro!  one could not invent a more suitable TARGET for the hatred.

and of course, it's not just the "elite" who "look down on women" - Hedger's aren't all that elite, yet these threads are full of hatred for anything not perceived as "them" - white, heterosexual, "christian" men - but only for fictitious porno-style-babes, a very narrow demoGraphic created especially for them by those who feed the media-porn. . . very few will acknowledge the females in their families - their wives, partners, daughters, mothers - as humans to be respected.  the disconnect is thorough.

yes those who write the scripts, globally & in the tiny minds, have done a grand job for setting up a Fall. . . cultivate hate locally, where the terror will truly find the targets as things continue to unravel - then create "heroic leaders" and horrific wars. . .

people will BEG to be led to new order.  game over.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:46 | 4755396 Totentänzerlied
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"cultivate hate locally"

Hmmm I guess these elites of yours have been at it, nonstop, at all times, in all places, for, like 100,000 years... wow, kudos to them, I'm impressed. The historically omnipresent cultures of honor with their extreme xenophobia, absolute ethnocentrism, generational feuds, and nonstop social violence was all just an elitist plot!

I could easily invent a far more hateable target, try this: middle-aged libertarian vegan stoner pansexual lapsed-Jewish (with one Muslim parent) black-Hispanic m-to-f transgender druid divorcee rapper. Something to offend every type and kind of fool, and there are a lot, in America.

"very few will acknowledge the females in their families - their wives, partners, daughters, mothers - as humans to be respected"

Care to back up this claim? I'm pretty sure what the people to whom you are referring feel toward "fictitious porno-style-babes" is not what you would call "respect".

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:24 | 4755554 Cathartes Aura
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not "my" elites Toten, unless you want to blame me for pointing out controlled cultural narratives, and truly obvious ones at that.

if one merely takes the most oft-quoted religious-textuals, global and local, factors in nationstate flag-team-wavers, uni-formed and armed to continue conflicts, then adds a large pile of steamin' porn - and realises who really owns most of the porn industry-profits - stir it until all ingredients are completely dis-solved.

you have the stinkin' soup we witness today, kept on the boil over centuries of true-believers.  is this "natural" or is it by design?  eye of the beholder, I guess.

not so sure why you don't see the inherent hatred for "females" in the daily threads, from the avatars to the body parts named in so many posts - "cunts" are a true fave, no? - and while I agree that there is zero "respect" shown - few will acknowledge healthy love and respect for the females in their families, while daily filling their posts with obvious loathing for "othered" females.  all this while the absolute majority of the string-pullers globally are - wait for it - white men.

I will add, there are some who write of their partners and daughters with care. . . but the majority are content with the content.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:07 | 4753680 James_Cole
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subscribe to the narrative now!  funding by the billionaire  Omidyar, whose recent contributions includeUSAid, now (in)famous, but who cares? because the Fabulous Snowden is in Putin-Land, so it HAS to be part of the next big story on yer newsy!  oh such great heroic men we have joined together to Lead people to the new (book) orders ($$).

Right, let's focus not on what these guys have done in fact and instead imagine how evil they secretly are.

Give your head a shake, Snowden did more to expose the corruption in us private / public sector than anyone in the past 40 years, probably the last 100. 

Oh I've heard it through the grapevine that Glenn Greenwald eats babies..

zzzzzz

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:35 | 4753717 Cathartes Aura
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wide-angle viewing James.  connect more dots, more "stories" as they become "available". . .

 

and ask yourself, what is the thread?

 

and who benefits?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:27 | 4753750 James_Cole
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Conspiracy involving systems being corrupted, sleazy motives, greed, general human stupidity etc., those make sense. Conspiracy involving long-term planning, extremely sophisticated organization, high intelligence - I'm sorry but I don't give the human race that kind of credit. 

People can have many concurrent and competing motives for doing things, it's pretty irrelevant to impact. Would I assume Greenwalds motives are all pristine? Of course not. But on balance he seems to my mind someone acting sincerely in the pursuit of truth, ditto Snowden.  

And a few variables can turn a simple system into a complex one, that doesn't mean there was intelligent design behind it..people 'connecting dots' often place intelligence where there isn't any. 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:55 | 4754765 Cathartes Aura
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if you like your heroic narrative, you can keep your heroic narrative.

vote for whatever works for you James.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4755098 dark pools of soros
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And what say you, on this whole planet, can come to bear the truth for you other than your pristine anonymous persona on a comment thread? Humanity is flawed so therefore all messengers should be exiled with their messages or so goes your 'logic'

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:53 | 4755154 Cathartes Aura
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well, dark pools, my Truth is ultimately inclusive of the whole of humanity.  all is Consciousness experiencing Self.

within that, yep, I do make distinctions in preferences - as do we all, that's how the gig works.  we act according to our inherent Natures, each from unique perspectives.

but always acknowledging the Overall story is all Created in the Minds, where "we" return to when the plug is pulled.

One.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:37 | 4754655 Raging Debate
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Cathartes Aura - Strange times make strange bedfellows. I had a blog up, a network concept. Was working pretty good too. An Irishman called me one day that had retired from central banking in disgust. I was called a traitor by Jim Quinn whose site was part of the network.

The deal is this: Opposition grows when growth cannot even from the very wealthy that formerly supported lobbying to get there way.

I have mentioned the revolution has already begun it is one of money. Lets's hope it stays that way and doesnt need to get violent. Time will tell.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:06 | 4754856 Cathartes Aura
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I was called a traitor by Jim Quinn whose site was part of the network.

Quinn needs to maintain his part of the Net-Work, and said maintenance means excluding certain parts of the narrative that undermine his "thesis" - should he allow the crucial piece under that "net" - BOOM!  mind-blown, online/offline persona gone. 

the true revolution is not outside of Self, it is each of our Minds - the only thing we can truly set Free. 

The (REAL) revolution will not be televised - nor will it be released in episodes for profit, online OR book form.

people will either wake up or surrender to their nightmares.

stay strong in what you know, and add to that daily - be true to that, and let your truth evolve, not stagnate!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:22 | 4754958 Raging Debate
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Carthates Aura - I upvoted you because of your statement about freeing one's own mind first. It is wise to be skeptical. As for me I know how difficult it was to set up an educational platform, keep content fresh, maamage the costs. It was philanthropy. So was Glenn Greenwald or Yves Smith. So if these people get funded to cover cost to get up daily and sacrifice there entire to promote truth, I am less skeptical after several years they can just be bought out as controller opposition. Why would Greenwald with being bought at $250 M continue in the business?

Outcomes of power struggles are messy. Consider when the Soviet Union collapsed. They regained 65% of the Duma afterward. Some think collapse will usher in all new people. You would be wrong to think that. They are forced to share power with self-interested groups supporting resumption of growth for personal gain. Why reforms happen. It would be great if people did everything out of the goodness of heart but our species is a long ways off toward that end.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:59 | 4755182 Cathartes Aura
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I understand your perspective here, but I maintain that Greenwald is a purchased product, and needs to Work as Described by the Warranty on his Package.

he's a careerist within the system - he's not a "whistleblower" in any guise, save a pied-piper.

he doesn't "need" extra-ordinary funding to spill his "secret guts" from "snowden" - he is a calculating piece of the system that binds the minds to a particular narrative.

no reforms forthcoming from this ongoing system - but change IS inherent, and some-things will continue to roll like tanks over humanity.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:54 | 4753733 palmereldritch
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Perhaps we should not just focus on the what but also start asking why...at least for the sake of healthy skepticism...

Deeds speak but is all the nuance in the language being potentially analyzed?

From a game theory perspective this whole scenario could simply be a turf war between the human intelligence (HUMINT) realm that has traditionally driven the intel power agenda (read: CIA) and the rise of the influence of signal intelligence (SIGINT) gathering (hello NSA...thanks smartphones!)

Which if true would put Snowden advocating for Mom, apple pie, the American way and perhaps something/someone else as well...?

I heartily endorse all Snowden’s revelations to date but wish he would change the game instead of just playing it....

Deeds not only speak by what they say but also by what surrounds them.  In this case the medium for Snowden’s message is less than pure (see: USAID’s sordid POTUS connections below).  

I’m hoping Snowden is real but that said, the revelations of the violations are only as good as what we choose to do with them politically to ensure our freedoms are not just stolen in another form.

USAID...it’s not all good

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/09/sherwood-ross/obama-and-his-family-tied-to-cia-foryears/

President Obama – as well as his mother, father, step-father and grandmother – all were connected to the Central Intelligence Agency – possibly explaining why the President praises the “Agency” and declines to prosecute its officials for their crimes.

According to a published report in the September Rock Creek Free Press of Washington, D.C., investigative reporter Wayne Madsen says Obama’s mother Ann Dunham worked “on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation.” The East-West Center had long been affiliated with CIA activities in the Asia-Pacific region, Madsen says.

What’s more, Obama’s father, Barack Obama Sr., arrived in Hawaii from Kenya as part of a CIA program to identify and train Africans who would be useful to the Agency in its Cold War operations against the Soviets, Madsen says. Obama Sr. divorced Ms. Dunham in 1964.

Ms. Dunham married Lolo Soetoro the following year, a man Madsen says assisted in the violent CIA coup against Indonesian President Sukarno that claimed a million lives. Obama’s mother taught English for USAID, “which was a major cover for CIA activities in Indonesia and throughout Southeast Asia,” Madsen reports. That USAID was a cover for CIA covert operations in Laos was admitted by its administrator Dr. John Hannah on Metromedia News. Madsen says the organization was also a cover for the CIA in Indonesia.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:08 | 4753778 Herd Redirectio...
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Of course Obama's father was not Barack Obama Sr, but Frank Marshall Davis, resident in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth (the real reason for the Kenya story is to misdirect from this, IMO).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:56 | 4753997 duo
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And Jimmy Carter's dad was.........Joe Kennedy.  Rosalyn Carter was Joe Kennedy's secretary back when he was an ambassador or something.  Jimmy didn't just fall off a turnip truck.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:38 | 4754076 knukles
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And all along I thought the Carters grew peanuts!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:31 | 4755021 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh palmereldritch, so many layers, so many chapters to read, and taken over time - so many books in the narrative - history is encyclopedic, no?  gotta read the whole set.

I need to reduce it to the basics to run it all past my bullshit detector - and the most basic "tell" for me is:

is the story being fed in weekly bite-sized chunks, a TeeVee/HBO format of episodes with strategically placed cliff-hangers?  because THIS is how the minds are trained to Think.  therefore, story is intentional.

does the story being fed have heroic gatekeepers?  like "edgy but culturally-respected authors"?  Greenwald so qualifies for this tag, as does Taibbi, Scahill, etc. - all neatly bundled into the Omidyar Group, perfectly arranged for truthiness.  therefore, story is intentional.

then I start to look at the actual storyline, for the *nudge-wink* factors. . . no need to go into all the extraneous details here, but suffice to say - that "Snowden" is supposedly in the new Manly-Man's Man Putin-Land, and that the nukes are being stroked into tumescence, with many little story-lines (Nuland, PNAC-peeps, mercenaries, voters) still being fed episodically, much of it on the controlled Mainstream Newsy News Net-Works. . .

tells me there is MORE than the daily-obvious happening here.  and so I withhold my overall agreement, and I continue to watch.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:02 | 4753776 mc225
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snowden didn't 'reveal' anything that hadn't already been front-run in 'lunatic fringe' forums by several years.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:09 | 4753782 Herd Redirectio...
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And thats the thing.  New info is popping up all the time.  But it always appears first as 'unsubstantiated rumor' and 'speculation', because thats the only way to truly anonymously leak information.   "You can lead a horse to water", as the saying goes.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:38 | 4753968 Bangin7GramRocks
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But he had evidence. It's kind of a big difference, doncha know.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:17 | 4753932 Absinthe Minded
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I was thinking the same thing. If he is so noble why risk being suicided before getting the info out that will change the world? Not dirty , sleazy money? Yup.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:59 | 4754169 Ban KKiller
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Others have Snowden info....as protection against nail guns, shitgums and tall buildings. See?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:51 | 4753543 knukles
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Don't forget the transgendered, quadriplegic, mentally impaired, deaf, dumb mute bestial neocon part either

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:34 | 4753622 john39
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working their way down to open paedophile...  note, i said open...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:10 | 4753582 ebworthen
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Gay left-handed Hispanic Nun with ADHD, dyslexia, a speech impediment, a Chinese boyfriend in a wheelchair, and three children.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:10 | 4753783 Herd Redirectio...
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You forgot the clincher, ginger.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:51 | 4753908 effendi
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ANYBODY but a day walker.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:21 | 4754032 Freewheelin Franklin
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Angry Woman

Black Feminist Lesbian  suberhero

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:07 | 4754481 HardAssets
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2020:   will be an avowed Satanist and animal/child rapist. Their running 'mate' will be a horse.

 

A major stand they will take, is the right to commit national suicide if the country decides it wants to do so. "Right to un-Life"

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:42 | 4753642 sylviasays
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Are you better off today than you were under ChumgurlObama?
That's the question that can bring together angry overweight lesbians and screaming billionaires like the George Soros. The totally disenfranchised united with the ubers, the masters and the slaves. Then shall begin the latter days of the empire.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:45 | 4753523 Zest
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Glenn must enjoy the work he does. It's pretty tough to get to the position he's at. Most people that want to challenge the system are so aggressive about it that they effectively nullify any chance of influence or credibility. It pretty much is an art to skillfully subvert the status quo. An art I think we should all learn.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:50 | 4753538 All Risk No Reward
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Greenwald is talking about openly gay - as in advertised as such.

He's dead on about being ruled by a dictatorship, though.

But he doesn't identify the criminals doing the dictating.

The

Money

Power

Here is a secret.  The most powerful people in a given society CONTROLS THE MONEY OF THAT SOCIETY BY DEFINITION.

Our government doesn't control the money, but the puppets who perform the function are financed and promoted by those who do.

It is elementary.

Stop financing the "Bigs."  Support the smalls and the locals.

Pay debt receipt cash (it is literally a debt receipt - seriously) so the Banksters don't cut a parasitical cut of your payment.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:59 | 4753565 booboo
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Oh thats right, Greenwald is held in high regard in MSM circles and by the way, he is "challenging the status quo" by telling the truth, not by withholding it. By saying we already have a gay president would that not earn him some points? after all, is not being gay in American progressive circles a winner?
Besides, in modern America it is all about being put in a class and not judged on your individual merits. LGBT, black, American Indian, Hispanic, female, White male. The only folks getting a class pass are Muslims and they must be given a pass at all cost unless you are a female Muslim speaking out about forced female circumcision and you are run off college campus's for that sin against the religion of humanism.
"Credibility with Mainstream" that's a knee slapper there. How many MSM types jumped their ass when he was being detained for days? ........:.:.Crickets

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:41 | 4753972 Bangin7GramRocks
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Already had at least one. His name was James Buchanan. Probably others as well. And don't forget about everyone's favorite gay G-man J Edgar Hoover.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:45 | 4754114 knukles
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Y'all even note that butt lugs are shaped kinda like early atomic bombs?
Betcha that explains away the Hoover rumors.

Now back to our originally scheduled programming with Wolf Blitzer and Ronan Farrow, the continuing saga of Global Climate Disruption, Soggy Cereal and MH370

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:14 | 4753746 Idiocracy
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ZH needs a comment board like Reddit's where bullshit, hate-laden remarks get downvoted to the bottom of the list and into obscurity (or invisibility, literally)

Tylers, do yourself a favor and implement this, it will improve your audience numbers!!  The content remains great but the comment area is sheer agony now.  

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:17 | 4754028 TheMerryPrankster
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go back to reddit,tool.

you are in over your head.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:55 | 4753911 Last of the Mid...
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Yep, if CNN picked it up you'd lose like 250,000 viewers! wow

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:37 | 4754071 KnightsofNee
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We already have a gay president and he swings a golf like one.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:05 | 4753362 Chief Kessler
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And the winner is.....

This guy...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:05 | 4753364 Keyser
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I'm a little surprised that Glenn is behind the curve on this one... 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4753376 mayhem_korner
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Perhaps he, too, attended Wellesley before undergoing a "procedure"...

The world may never know

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:25 | 4753440 JerseyJoe
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Obama is gay and Hillary is a lesey...  Been there, done that.  

What really comes next is what Hagle is pushing into military now...transgender.  Don't chaknow. 

Military readiness for...a slumber party? 

All part of the plan.  

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:46 | 4753529 Manthong
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Here is what the LGBT WXYZ drag queen unit cohesion fairy dust soldier of the future might have to contend with..

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3SYDl0Tm0&feature=player_detailpage

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:14 | 4753989 rbg81
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I'm pretty sure Hillary is a lesbian and it woudln't shock me if Obama is bi.  

Going forward, I just see it as a big freak show, with the public behaviors & displays becoming more and more flaming.  And the Sheeple will lap it all up in the name of showing how open minded and tolerant we all are.  The fact that this is how civilizations die won't dissuade them on iota.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:34 | 4753480 McMolotov
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"I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them."

President James Buchanan, queer as a three-dollar bill (not that there's anything wrong with that).

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president/

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:19 | 4755281 ajax
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"I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them." - James Buchanan

The several gentlemen in question turned Jim down and said: "Can't we be friends?"

An early 20th century man lament for your pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDU02LUAJMQ

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:41 | 4753508 Payne
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So Hillary get elected an runs for re-election as gay ?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4753517 JLee2027
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Hitlery can only be elected if the vote if rigged. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:50 | 4753557 benb
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Lets be adults about this. The presidential elections are completely rigged. These guys-gays-gals are all highly trained by the CIA to act like they are running the show. It's all B.S. All theater. Only the suckers believe these Carnies. You know it's good when the NYT is behind her. When the mass murdering war criminal and traitor, Heinz Kissinger says she's the most qualified to be president... President of what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgHZubM7M-I

“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:06 | 4753676 Real Estate Geek
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Diebold Accidently Leaks Results of Election

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:57 | 4753667 indygo55
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I thought Bathhouse Barry was gay.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:40 | 4753891 Last of the Mid...
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They'll probably have ANOTHER gay person after Hillary. There fixed it for ya.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:18 | 4754031 tony wilson
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we have had killers,rapists,paedophiles,stranglers,wranglers,satanists,saturnists,queers and masons in the whitehouse already.

 

trans gender is the rothschild soros intergrated future.

oestogen mimick ers are turning boys into girls and vice versa.

after hitlery we will have a pres that is a woman with a beard with a stem cell cock sheath who likes sodomy with fresh corpse.

it will all be out in the open we would of evolved become more tolerant to sodomy of the dead.

they said on the bbc today that these times are the best of times never so much freedom so much choice never been so tolerant.

well ho hum bbc whatever

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:06 | 4753365 LetThemEatRand
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"Americans love to mock the idea of monarchy, and yet we have our own de facto monarchy. I think what these leaks did is, they demonstrated that there really is this government that just is the kind of permanent government that doesn’t get affected by election choices and that isn’t in any way accountable to any sort of democratic transparency and just creates its own world off on its own."

Yes, it's called an oligarchy.   Large multi-national corporations are not affected by elections, rather they effect them.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:14 | 4753387 prains
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...seems simple enuff to understand yet the vast majority of tards in the nSSA have no idea that this is the simple trooth

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:20 | 4753421 Anusocracy
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Big psychopaths crave power and attain it, little psychopaths admire power and deify those with it.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:21 | 4753872 JerseyJoe
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Love that quote.   Yours?  Excellent.  Seems to explain much.  

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:38 | 4761566 Anusocracy
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Thanks, it's mine. Inspired by what goes on here at ZH.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:28 | 4754287 Bastiat
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I think those who admire the psychos in power are more children than psycho s themselves.  They want a strong parent because they never achieved real adulthood. Our social institutions have normalized this.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:29 | 4755322 ajax
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cher Bastiat, psychos aren't "strong parents", they're simply psychos.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:26 | 4753445 A Nanny Moose
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Since the korporation is an invention of the korporation known as government, elections are designed precisely to benefit korporations while convincing the majority into believing that it actually made some meaningful contribution toward telling everybody else how things should be run.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:41 | 4753502 LetThemEatRand
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Chicken and egg.  Wealthy unelected individuals bribed elected officials to recognize corporations and give them special protections.  Government is broken, but it's the oligarchs who broke it.  Cut off the broken leg and you still can't walk.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4753520 prains
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.....plus you'll have a stick you could beat an oligarch to a bloody pulp with

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:27 | 4753451 JerseyJoe
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Google Hagle and Diebold...and you tell me. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:30 | 4753466 McMolotov
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If history is any indication, the Deep State will offer up another choice between Shitstain 1 and Shitstain 2.

Fifty percent of the country will argue vociferously about why their shitstain is better than the other shitstain, forty-five percent will pay absolutely no attention to the shitstains, and five percent will inebriate themselves by any means necessary in a failing attempt to ignore the stink.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:42 | 4753513 LetThemEatRand
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I'm a five percenter!  Yes!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:42 | 4753638 Ignatius
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Cheers!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:38 | 4753887 negative rates
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But nobody's going to get on a horse and ride out of town?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:49 | 4754128 Ban KKiller
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But...That is so, so now!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:03 | 4754188 sleigher
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"They" have had the office tied up since 33.  At least that is what "they" say.  Anyone in the office is "their" guy.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4753375 blindman
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is he gaming the truth? does a journalist have an
obligation to publish the truth in a timely manner
as that truth might have temporal significance and
sensitivity or is it the journalist's prerogative to
publish what he knows when it best suits his personal
agenda, schedule and advantage?
sorry, but i trust no man in these circumstances.
or maybe that doesn't matter and i'm being an asshole?
that would mean what he has to report has no significance
at this particular time? hmmm...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:12 | 4753381 LetThemEatRand
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He's making a good deal of money in exchange for putting his freedom on the line.   Seems pretty legit to me that he would want to milk it while taking the big risks.  And something that supposed libertarians could get behind.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:25 | 4753439 blindman
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i do appreciate that but my question remains.
if what he has to report is so important, well,
then it is important NOW. if it is not important
now then can it really be that important?
if he were not himself and was watching his
schedule play out from another perspective, as
another journalist, would he not be asking the
same question according to his own definition
of the future of journalism?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:29 | 4753454 LetThemEatRand
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So your point is that he should 1) not get anything out of the risk he is taking, and 2) avoid the obvious extra impact of dolling out a little at a time, in the hope of having a greater overall impact?  Remind me not to hire you as a publicist or vote for you as a libertarian.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:53 | 4753516 ZerOhead
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Chinese water torture works best one penetrating drip at a time. A bucketful at once just gets you wet.

I am sooo looking forward to his July exposee... kinda like the coming of Christmas felt like when I was just a kid.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:03 | 4753572 Quus Ant
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Then don't vote for me either.  Doling out the truth is an asshole thing to do.  It's boiling the frog slowly, to where I almost feel like Greenwald could be a CIA psyop to introduce us gradually to the new reality.  There is no extra impact of doling out a little at a time.  Exactly the opposite. 

Public myopia is a given- now Public myopathy has set in.  No one moved on the previous revelations; we are living in a deep police state.  That's the big story.  It's already been revealed and no one blinked. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:08 | 4754210 sleigher
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I am not so sure about that.  An interesting question is, would the Bundy ranch have turned out the same with all the militia if the snowden leaks never happened and people were not aware of the truth of this police state?  I mostly agree with what you are saying, but people are pissed.  Maybe after a year of stewing in their anger, another big release will make them "blink". 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:59 | 4753650 blindman
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you would not want to hire me as a marketer,
an advocate or vote for me as anything including
dog catcher. you would do well to not even invite
me to your barbeque.
but ....
if the point is getting something out of the
risk he is taking and his chosen field is journalism
then he is gaming the truth in some way. that has
never been the essence of pure journalism, perhaps
propaganda. i'm not saying he is a propagandist.
i don't know. he has a unique source of information
and given the size of the stash and the source the content
could be almost anything. the nsa and corporate services
have stated this information is not suitable for the public
and he himself apparently agrees that some or much of this
information is not suitable for public eyes as he has said
so himself. so here there is a bit of a problem and it is
the initial problem that snowden identified and choked up.
snowden was appalled that he himself had the access that
he had, appalled that the system offered such access to
anyone? then greenwald gained the fruits of that access and
now he is taking risks by revealing the fruits of the access
extended to him, access and fruits he himself denies should
exist. what to do? only he and snowden even know what information
is involved, the nsa says they don't even know?
daniel ellsberg just went on and published the pentagon papers.
julian assange did a series of wikileak dumps, let the people
sort it out. some material was redacted?
glenn greenwald will surely redact aspects of the information.
snowden is in russia, greenwald in south america,
the nsa, google and verizon are everywhere?
these are the things the guy who assists the local dog catcher
wonders while realising it is all none of his business how
much "money" someone might or might not make combing through
and publishing potentially sensitive and important "intelligence",
or rumor or other public/private/personal information or metadata.
so, as you can see, i am no professor or expert on journalism;
be it pure journalism, yellow journalism, gonzo journalism, corporate
journalism or counter intelligence whistle blower journalism.
.
i have heard that the idea of freedom of speech has historically
been limited in some way by the question " does one have the freedom
of speech to yell "fire" in a theater when there is no fire "?
the question i wonder is does one have the freedom of speech to
not yell "fire" when there is a fire? in relation to this discussion
i am asking, i guess, does one have the prerogative to yell "fire"
when they wish, if there is a fire, and do they have the right to
time the yelling of "fire" to maximize their income? maybe if they
calculate that no harm will be done by delaying the announcement
but could anyone do those calculations?
like i said, maybe i'm just an asshole assistant to a dog catcher
type journalist?
.
he could always write a book and make money as an "author".
.
perhaps "journalism" is in a state of crisis?
.
i can only imagine the risk he is taking, don't know if that is
so? appears risky but wait, he just debated dershowitz and hayden
in public, he didn't seem very concerned or defensive. meanwhile,
snowden, manning and assange are another matter. what are they
making for the risks they have embraced? maybe greenwald will
help them out? someone needs to coin a phrase for this new type of
permanent crisis ????? journalism?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:56 | 4753555 Oh regional Indian
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Interessting when yo put it that way. We are supposed that the most explosive whistleblowing material is in the hands of this guy, intelligent and all that, but still, a journo.

And he is getting all excited about fireworks and grand finales.

This is supposed to "material" material that can shake the world.

Hmmmmmmmm.....

Did anyone see the gay/transgender, bearded fem/guy who won the eurovision song contest?

It's all related.

ori

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:12 | 4753583 palmereldritch
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuRJ9ztfYpw

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:16 | 4753595 Quus Ant
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Plus the government is going to let Greenwald release this earth-shattering material?  the US government??  I call bullshit.  This is all bad theatre and I ain't falling for it.  If Greenwald was on the up and up he would have received the Michael Hastings/Sammy Hagar "I Can't Drive 55" award for excellence in journalism. 

Boom.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:47 | 4753648 Oh regional Indian
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I thought he was also up for the Simmons/ "Toasters Love my BathTub" award.

Loose lips, lose lips I heard said once.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:49 | 4753655 Quus Ant
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Only the good die young, ORI. 

Get busy living or get busy dying.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:03 | 4753674 Oh regional Indian
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I remember Billy Joel saying that, again and again.

The older I got, the less I believed it ;-)

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:13 | 4753687 Skateboarder
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Iron Maiden - Only the Good Die Young

"Time, it waits for no man..."

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:20 | 4753789 Herd Redirectio...
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Every man dies, but not every man truly lives.

Do you want to die standing, or live on your knees?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:55 | 4753662 Cathartes Aura
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if one connects even the superficial dots, Snowden ending up in Putin's hands/lands, while the Pulitzer Prize gets awarded, AND REPORTED by all mainstream news sources, and Greenwald doles out a few stories at The Guardian (well known for it's fake oppositional stance), before being Intercept'd by a billionaire PaidPal who is said to have "co-operated with the NSA" - this circle jerk of a narrative is well worth spending some time looking into. . .

. . .if anyone truly cares to look beyond the MainStream'd implanted tales.

Man was matter, that was Snowden’s secret. Drop him out a window, and he’ll fall. Set fire to him and he’ll burn. Bury him and he’ll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage. That was Snowden’s secret. Ripeness was all.

~ Joseph Heller, Catch 22

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:08 | 4753682 Oh regional Indian
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I think everyone should add Heller to the trinity of Huxley and Orwell. Together, they are a tell.

Heller's world is what we would be doing between Huxley's daze and Orwell's maze.

ori

Once upon a time, I was deeply in love with Nurse Dakota?.....hmmmm what was her name, the one who sat on the beach passively with Yossarian....memories...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:19 | 4753697 Skateboarder
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It is quite amazing how love can be borne out of words on a page.

ZHer NIHILIST CIPHER and I once talked about Tekken being the future. If you haven't seen it, watch the first five minutes. It'll give you a realistic glimpse of where we are headed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ffUlxXO7I

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:57 | 4753669 palmereldritch
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To be fair, in light of the state of metadata these days, I would never recommend going for a long walk on a country road, alone, on a cloudless day after having borrowed Glenn’s cellphone.  Ever.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:06 | 4753679 blindman
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@ori,
better than a jouno, a lawyer. don't get me wrong,
i just like to ask some questions when they seem
appropriate and i enjoy listening to the man
say his piece/peace. i would like to hear his
views on the federal reserve monetary system and
9/11, that would explain (him as a public voice) for me.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:25 | 4753709 Oh regional Indian
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I hear you BM, unfortunately, the veils are being piled on fast and "Thicke".

Really hard to tell who is on which side of which freaking fence.

No? Especially when most fences now are invisible....

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:39 | 4753723 blindman
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we are all being reduced to that little
flame inside the heart,
it is getting very interesting.
no fences .....

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:26 | 4753753 Oh regional Indian
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Hart and Hara, both flaming... :-)

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4755408 ajax
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"Did anyone see the gay/transgender, bearded fem/guy who won the eurovision song contest? It's all related."

Oh please Ori. Conchita Wurst was the best thing to come along at Eurovision since its inception. Hers was the best performance as well, beard or no beard.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:58 | 4753856 Tompooz
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The interviewer could have asked him some pointed questions about:

1. "selling his blog" to Pierre Omidyar

2. Why, ever since the 250 million $ Omidyar deal, NO further stories have been forthcoming from the Snowden material.

3. His  book deal and if the stories in his book will have been pre-cleared like the press-published stories..

4. His original admitting that all the material published so far in the Guardian, the NY Times and the WaPost was pre-cleared with the security agencies of both the UK and the US.

Greenwald c.s. is all about framing the debate about legalizing mass surveillance in exchange for "security".

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:46 | 4755118 Cathartes Aura
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Greenwald is a Lawyer who writes for the media.  he's also a "new york times bestselling author" and lectures at "law skools" and other main-stream'd accept-able spaces.

he's also white, jewish and gay.

he's fucking perfectly cast for this role.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:27 | 4753796 StychoKiller
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If nothing gets published before the November elections which put a crimp on the status quo, then they got nuthin'!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:11 | 4753380 SilverIsMoney
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Run to the hills or forests and prepare...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4753405 Chief Kessler
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Prepare to pitch or to catch?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:14 | 4753388 rsnoble
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Jeb vs. Hillary?

WW3 is sounding better already.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753413 Chief Kessler
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Holy shit Jeb is gay?? Now I see.....yep..hahaha, I thought so!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:14 | 4753391 Aquarius
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Hope the He? / She? loves kids like other American Presidents, Bankers, Economists, and ilk, then.

http://cryptome.org/2014-info/potus-kids/potus-loves-kills-kids.htm

 

Now what about Belgium and the games the FedRes plays to help the Bankers

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/12/fed-great-deceiver-paul-craig...

 

Is there a Wall Streeet market in Killing 'our' Children?

Why do we keep referring to 'speculators' as "Investors"?

Why do we keep referring to politicians as competent and honest?

 

Ho hum

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:16 | 4753396 yogibear
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After that a transvestite. Sometimes speaks as a man or woman. The White house has turned into a circus.

How can any world leader take the US seriously?

Instead of the White house they will call it a Freak house. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753409 LetThemEatRand
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Next thing you know we're going to have an actor who starred with chimps playing President.  It's been a literal circus for a long time.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:29 | 4753459 A Nanny Moose
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We would have had better luck electing the chimp.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:29 | 4753464 LetThemEatRand
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I'm going to leave that one alone.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:30 | 4753467 Aquarius
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From where I am siiting, I wholly expect the USA Congress to just simply declare Bibi Netanyahu as President

and forgo the inconvenience of having to scam the elections, so they can receive direct payment,

for the least effort.

Un fait accompli!

Ho hum

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:37 | 4753468 prains
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Next thing you know we're going to have an actor who starred with chimps playing President.  It's been a literal circus for a long time.

 

He literally tested the water for the Oligarchs as too how ridiculous a human being they could install in the Whitehouse and how much the propoganda machine could bamboozle the average murikan tard into believing he was the real deal. It's almost like it was a drunken bet made on a secret island somewhere to see who could install the biggest fool in office and make people believe he was the best prez eva! Once the point was proven, the office has been a joke

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4753518 Caviar Emptor
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But but..he proved that deficits don't matter, didn't he?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:46 | 4753530 prains
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...he also proved Presidents don't matter, beyond blowjobs, golf and convincing kids to die in Woar

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:57 | 4753560 Caviar Emptor
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...and he proved that Star Wars is worthy of a trillion in taxpayer cash...with nothing to show for it (satellite-mounted laser guns anybody?) and that Alzheimer's is not a deal breaker for being commander in chief

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:11 | 4753584 prains
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yes, the MIC + Propoganda = Mur'ka 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:19 | 4753826 Bazza McKenzie
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Actually, what he had to show for it was the collapse of the Soviet Union trying to keep up with the US that was, at the time, the world's industrial powerhouse, until his successors, Congress and Wall Street shipped most of it off to China to make a quick buck.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:48 | 4753533 salvadordaly
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I liked that movie the first time I seen it. It was called Trading Places with Eddie Murphy!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:55 | 4755437 ajax
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"Instead of the White house they will call it a Freak house."

Geez Yogibear, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has been a freakhouse for so long already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TBVS_n65UYogibear

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:16 | 4753398 Smegley Wanxalot
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and then were was ... President Conchita Wurst.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:58 | 4755441 ajax
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"and then were was ... President Conchita Wurst."

She's an Austrian national so no luck there Smegley, but she could become Governor of California like one of her compatriots... I can't wait...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753411 esum
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spooks and specops will swiftboat clintoon

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:22 | 4753418 williambanzai7
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There are many ways to sum things up and he just demonstrated one of them.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:24 | 4753437 LetThemEatRand
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I think we're already in Fascism 2.1, Beta version.   Sold "as is," no warranties.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4753519 williambanzai7
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Rainbow Fascism

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:12 | 4753585 prains
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is it a Rainbow Coalition?

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