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Guest Post: Gun Control In Nazi Germany
Submitted by Audrey Kline via the Ludwig von Mises Institute,
There is no shortage of theories or writings related to the rise of the Third Reich and the subsequent Holocaust. Stephen Halbrook’s 2013 book, Gun Control in the Third Reich offers a compelling and important account of the role of gun prohibition in aiding Hitler’s goals of exterminating the Jews and other “enemies of the state.” While much of the early gun prohibition was created with supposedly good intent, Halbrook carefully and meticulously details how a change in political regime facilitated manipulating some well-intentioned gun registration laws and other gun prohibition to be used in inconceivable ways.
Students of history as well as Second Amendment enthusiasts will find this a fascinating book and will find parallels between gun prohibition in pre-Nazi and Nazi Germany, and attempts to prohibit types of gun ownership and implement other forms of gun prohibition in the United States today. The current climate in the United States surrounding gun prohibition combined with a president who uses his office to impose executive order in ways not historically common gives many citizens pause, especially when looking at the era of the Third Reich. While certain states have imposed gun registration laws recently, enforcement of the laws remains unclear.
While Halbrook is careful to point out that a combination of factors led to the events of the Holocaust, there is no denying that many of the pre-war activities contributed to Hitler’s ability to disarm targeted groups, particularly the Jews. The rapid pace with which Hitler disarmed the populace in Germany is startling. Halbrook’s account is gripping, thorough, and full of legal documentation, leading the reader through the sometimes-daily changes in gun prohibitions that furthered Hitler’s agenda. Ultimately, the prohibitions enacted by the Nazi regime led to monopoly control of firearms by the Nazis and eliminated the ability of many groups in society to defend themselves. A similar progression in contemporary society related to government control of firearms and the firearms industry is a concern of many gun owners in the United States today.
In Part I of the book, a chaotic post-WWI Germany is the backdrop, a time when there were no established policies or laws pertaining to firearm ownership. Concern about firearms not being turned in after the war and conflict between extremist groups and the government led to the implementation of gun control laws. However, well-meaning clauses in the laws were subsequently used to provide the government with complete control over gun ownership, creating registries of gun and ammunition ownership, which ultimately fell into the hands of the Nazis. These lists were methodically used to disarm citizens. Through the first three chapters of the book, Halbrook does a masterful job of detailing the ever-changing gun control policies, ranging from the most extreme (execution on the spot) to the postured ‘relaxation’ of gun control laws that allowed possession of very expensive long arms that would not be affordable for the majority of the population.
Part II of the book opens with the naming of Hitler as chancellor of Germany at the end of January 1933, and the immediate utilization of the Weimar gun control policies to begin the Nazi campaign to seize arms and eradicate the so-called “enemies of the state” (all of whom were tagged as Communists). As a result, less than a month later, Hitler and Göring convinced President Hindenburg that an emergency decree was needed, which ultimately gave the Nazis the ability to eliminate constitutional assurances of liberty and free speech, a free press, the ability to assemble, and the right to privacy in personal communications. Furthermore, search and seizure of homes was authorized. This carte blanche for search and seizure essentially became the modus operandi of the Third Reich.
By the end of March, Hitler had succeeded in passing the “Enabling Law” which gave him the ability to create laws as he wished, with no requirement for consultation. Following this, the confiscation of weapons escalated. Municipal governments were informed that military weapons and ammunition had to be surrendered by the end of March. The Jews were targeted next, with a large raid in East Berlin on April 4, 1933. Jews were not forbidden to own firearms until 1938, but the raid led to confiscations and arrests. The 1928 Firearms Law was utilized to identify the so-called enemies of the state, locate them, interview them, and subsequently confiscate their weapons, thereby increasing Nazi control and eliminating private ownership of firearms from the majority of society.
Part III of the book details episodes of enforcement and expansion of gun prohibition by Hitler’s regime. To mark the one-year anniversary of Hitler’s power, the Law for the Reconstruction of the Reich was passed in January 1934, which centralized control over police and led to the replacement of the SA (Sturm Abteilung or Brownshirts) with the SS. Upon President Hindenburg’s death, Hitler assumed the presidency as well, allowing him the ability to rule by decree. Hitler could now declare laws at will and there was no right of appeal for those arrested. The military pledged allegiance to Hitler and the citizenry was instructed to follow Hitler’s decrees.
Confiscated firearms were redistributed to the police and concentration camp guards. The number of searches and arrests continued to escalate, and with the adoption of the Nürnberg Laws in September 1935, Germans or those with ‘kindred blood’ were decreed as citizens, leaving the Jews without citizenship and consequently, without civil rights. A new weapons law was drafted in November that would also forbid Jews from operating in the firearms industry. Though not yet enacted, the draft opened the door for the stealing of the gun manufacturing company, Simson & Co., by Hitler, who claimed that the Jewish owners were guilty of fraud. Additional accounts are given of exploitation of various incidents to further the Nazi campaign against the Jews.
Nazi Party control of the use and ownership of firearms was quickly implemented and far-reaching, with refinements to the Weapons Law continuing over the next few years. Eventually, in April 1938, Jews were required to register their personal assets if valued at over 5,000 marks. Just a few months later, Jews were required to register at local police stations to receive identification cards. Jews began to flee Berlin and other parts of Germany, as they were able.
In the concluding section of the book, Reichskristallnacht (Night of the Broken Glass) is detailed. Jews had been systematically disarmed, and their identity and locations were now on file with local police. It was simply a matter of time before the full shift into deportation and extermination of the Jews would begin. Records support that a campaign to arrest legally registered Jewish owners of firearms was now underway, along with the push by the Nazis to pressure Jews to flee Germany.
The complete confiscation of weapons held by Jews at this point was sparked by the November 7, 1938 assassination attempt of a German diplomat, supposedly by a Polish-Jewish teenager at the embassy in Paris. The Night of the Broken Glass came in the following few days. All Jewish weapons (including such things as letter openers) were confiscated, and all Jewish organizations were deemed illegal. With the Jews disarmed, Hitler’s plans could proceed with a defenseless populace. The majority of the non-Jewish German population was stunned by what had transpired but too afraid to protest. Isolated cases of resistance remained, such as the now well-known case of Oskar Schindler. When deportations commenced in October 1941, the possessions of the Jews were searched by the Gestapo for anything of value, and completed the disarming of the Jews. The dangers of silent witness are now well known.
As has been well documented, Jews were methodically attacked, their homes, businesses, and synagogues ransacked and burned. Upward of 30,000 Jews were arrested. Any Jews resisting arrest were ordered shot on the spot. Attacks on the Jews were to be carried out by the SA, with no interference by police. Jews arrested were to be sent to concentration camps for up to 20 years. The pogrom was so thorough that nearly all age appropriate, Jewish adult males in Stuttgart had been arrested. With the population afraid and disarmed, Hitler could proceed with little worry about resistance. The Court reinforced that there was no judicial review needed for activities of the Gestapo.
Halbrook concludes by noting that less government regulation and a tradition of rejecting tyranny could have led to a different outcome in Germany. Instead, systematic creation and manipulation of firearms registration and regulations, coupled with the decimation of individual citizen’s rights, enabled Hitler’s dictatorship and the slaughter of millions of innocent Jews and citizens of Nazi-occupied countries, as well as tens of thousands of Germans. It remains for all of us to wonder what might have been had people refused to register their firearms. Indeed, we should all take note and never forget.
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Dick Cheney's Warning Shot
Trickery is the name of their game.
If a politician brings up gun control it is NOT to make you and your family safer.
Ultimately, it is not the gun being controlled.
If those Jews in Germany could come back and do it over again, armed this time, the result would be vastly different...and remember, Obama wants to make you the new Jew.
They would've been shot on sight. The main weapon in the war against Jews was propaganda. People were made to hate them - to externalize their economic worrise - to shift the blame from German politicans responsible for Weimar to one group who profited from Deutchmark depreciation.
The message was simple: "Look at who did well while everyone else suffered!" The rest is history.
If you are antagonized in this country for whatever reason - no amount of weaponry will save you.
The "Rich" are the new jews.
The jews are whoever the political class deems expendable. In Germany Jews were the capitalists - conservative business owners and savers who valued family ties and had little trust in government authority. They weren't just inconvenient - they were dangerous and since they practically owned Germany by the end of 1930's, they were an obvious trarget.
The anti-jew sentiment didn't form overnight. Nazi's didn't come to power on Monday and start gasing Jews on Tuesday. One of the very first things Nazi's did was to take over printing houses to manufacture and distribute pamphlets blaming certain foreigners for the 1922 crash that was still fresh in everyone's memory. The propaganda campaign commenced in 1933 and culminated on "The Night Of Broken Glass" November 9, 1938 after 5 years of meticulous brainwashing.
Somehow, again, history shows that central banks played absolutely no role in pre-WWII, WWII, or post WWII Germany. Amazing.
If you are antagonized in this country for whatever reason - no amount of weaponry will save you.
Like the Lakota say: Hoka-hey...it is a find day to die.
+1
You have way to much faith in the stupidity to get things done correctly, which is the US Government.
This is not 1930's Germany
The jews got exactly what they wanted. The jews wrote the treaty of Versaille, the jews supported and bankrolled Hitler and Lenin. The jews fomented WWII The jews took control on the US and Britain leading up to WWII and then were gifted Palestine. The fact the ELITE jews had to sacrifice a few of their bretheren is a small price to pay for all they have achieved. They have finally yoked the gentile mule through central banking and law.
"The jews got exactly what they wanted. The jews wrote the treaty of Versaille, the jews supported and bankrolled Hitler and Lenin"
Again with that "the jews" anti-semitism.
"The fact the ELITE jews had to sacrifice a few of their bretheren is a small price to pay for all they have achieved. They have finally yoked the gentile mule through central banking and law."
That anti-semite recently killed some Christians, thinking they were Jews.
Obama was chosen to implement mandatory health care. Hitlery Clinton will be tasked with destroying 401Ks/IRAs and the 2nd amendment
Trivia bit: the '68 cun control act was taken almost verbatim from nazi germanys GunControl act, passed march 18, 1938. Only difference is switchblades. The nazis allowed them.
Garbadge. Hitler did not ban firearms.
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/03/19/fake-quote-files-adolf-h...
I posted this a bit further down. But you would appear to be right. I'm no expert. And have done little to no reading on the subject as a whole, however, if the country was not allowed to have a standing military, why would the population have been allowed to have firearms? Again, I'm no expert, but the link is interesting
Note what he said, technically he's right.
Hitler only banned "certain people" from legally protecting themselves WITH guns. From yours:
"The 1938 law, which did take place under the Nazi government, prohibited Jews from owning guns, but simultaneously liberalized gun restrictions for most everyone else."
I'm not calling anyone out here...but...the anti-gunner of today and the fascists of old have a lot in common. What is common to freedom is, everyone has a right to protect themselves from the state & predators...which is the crux of the right of any human to have arms.
Period.
The jewish-banning part wasnt enacted at first. It took another 9 months to get to that. It should also be noted that nazi germany viewed citizenship in ethnic terms. This eliminated German Jews being counted as German.
Noted.
Agreed. And just to be clear, I wasn't posting the link from an anti-gun perspective, but rather as a counter point for what is presented in the posted ZH article.
Due dilligence and differing opinions and all. I'm sure you will agree, operating in an echo chamber serves no one well.
Thanks for a response, as opposed to a junk, with no thoughts attached.
My "I'm not calling anyone out here...but..." was not directed at you.
Sorry if it came off that way.
I agree that due dilligence is the key to understanding and operating in an echo chamber defeats that. I have noticed (as above) people will make a blanket statement (sometimes with an attached agenda, sometimes not) and is applauded.
Well, his statement was correct and wrong, Jews were banned from owning firearms however firearms were not banned universally.
I think we both know what the purpose of the ban was and by ignorance or malice, his statement can be said to be both correct & wrong to the unbiased observer, his reasons for stating it THAT WAY however, goes unanswered.
i think the soviets confiscated weapons in eastern europe. left the people defenceless when the nazis showed up.
He banned Jews. He banned Jews from owning guns. That is banning guns, applied only to the victims.
Shens. If that were true, Obama would be supporting nazis in Ukraine.
WTF are you insinuating here, Tyler? This is America. That simply can't happen here.....
Das ist undenkbar!
Canada has gun control and there is more freedom here than in your U.S.
Government enforced gun control does not guarantee confiscation today, only eventually. Once rights are surrendered, they are never returned without blood.
Canada recently scrapped its entire gun registry.
After a supposed revenue neutral registry turn into $2 billion boondoggle that doesn't even work.
Does Canada today have more freedom than 5, 10 years ago? Do you think there'll be more freedom in another 5, 10 etc?
Tyrannies take time, you know. It's hard work and I can assure you, regardless of where you are on this planet, your government is working tirelessly to deliver you their private version of political paradise.
...which is a rope around your neck, a jackboot in your back, and a bullet in your head.
5 or 10 years ago in Canada all gun sales and guns were required to be registered. Today only handguns and AR style "restricted" firearms purchases are registered. I know a lot of enthusiasts here and none of us has had much of a hassle getting a "black" rifle or handgun albeit with the permission of the PTB.
But any PAL (gun licence) holder can walk into a gun shop anywhere in Canada and pay cash, anonymously (ID is glanced at for verification only FFS) for some very serious firepower. Same with ammo, how much do you want to spend? My local supermarket sells everything from .22 to 30.06 and 12 gauge anything, just flash the PAL and throw it in with the groceries. No f'ing problem.
So yeah, I feel quite free.
Lemme get this straight: you feel quite free because you are licensed by the state, whose permission is necessary - and who knows where all license holders live - to purchase a firearm?
Sorry, but voluntarily licking the jackboot standing on your neck because you like the taste of it isn't my idea of being free.
Do you have a drivers licence?
I hope Dudley Fuckin' Do-right shows up in time when Mr. Crack-head and his associates invite themselves into your living room.
but no freedom to own a gun?
are you allowed to own a cop for self defense?
Tell that to the people up there who were barred from returning to their flood ravaged town while mounties went house to house confiscating guns for "safety".
Which health insurance did you choose?
When was the last time you wrote an article, that was published in Canada, that was critical of Islam or gays or global warming?
You are controlled to the point where you believe you are free only because you don't have the balls to do anything that requires freedom.
It will be a very interesting day when they come for our guns....
We draw the line at refusing registration, or we might as well deliver them to Obama's door step.
They will not come for your guns. They will make sure that when the time comes you use them on your neighbor.
I think that may depend on who my neighbors are.
Registration to identify the gun owner and his location...crisis determined that requires gun confiscation for my own protection. Recall Katrina?
The threat will be evaluated based upon which oppressed minority group it is determined that I am predetermined to present a real and present danger.
I'm with ya. I mean more generally and not specific to you and yours. They will have the masses turning on each other, is all I meant.
Divide and conquer is in full play right now. The main part of chaos is the dissolution of the "rules". No one knows what the law really is and who is friend or foe. It feels like society is melting.
Not all of society, the ones who don't need law, will be just fine. Its not like some didn't try to live within it, what used to be called the law.
Outlaws have been given a bad wrap over time it seems to me. The word can also mean they have just been made criminals for not abiding by injustice, posing as a just law.
Its all in the perspective ;-)
Care to elaborate? False dialectic or what?
They don't need the guns anyway, they do what they want, take what they want and nobody does a damn thing to stop them.
I talk loudly at bars. Sometimes I even use hand gestures.
OK, OK, ALMOST nobody does a damn thing to stop them.
thank you
A Perfect Circle - Counting Bodies Like Sheep
The hypocrisy is thickening.
Food for thought.
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/03/19/fake-quote-files-adolf-h...
Disclosure: NOT my blog.
"...compelling and important account of the role of gun prohibition in aiding Hitler’s goals of exterminating the Jews..."
as much as i despise gun control, i will not oppose it with a lie. the holocaust is goddamned lie. it didn't happen - it's a total hoax. and hitler had no goal of exterminating the jews - another goddamned lie.
A close family friend has for years maintained that his parents were killed by the Nazis during the holocaust.
Should I just call him on it? Do you think he'll give up the ruse and show me that his parents are alive and well, albeit over 100 years old now?
There are many reasons why people die during wars, especially people whom have declared war against a sovereign state, it dos not rise to the defintion of a holocaust. Lies told over time can take on the appearance of truth, especially if sanctioned by the winners, whom write the histories.
Quiet ... Damn you, now everyone will know! It was a secret.
Sorry to be O/T for the 2nd amendment, but after a WTF day it is a Germen gun. Some may appreciate this. Experimental German 08/18 Maxim SMG
The alternative point of view.
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University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this [Nazi gun control] myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).
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http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
Then what is the purpose of gun control? They disarmed the Jews as a precursor to eliminating all of their other rights (and lives). So because the majority of us are not jews, then we should feel a warm and secure glow about us?
Dup...
Bear in mind that there are plenty of people that would have NO PROBLEM restricting Muslims from having guns.
In that sense, Muslims have become the new Jews. That ought to cause some heads to explode...on both sides.
"The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general."
Victims of gun control are persecuted. Restricting a persons right to self defense is what? Punishing a person for not doing anything wrong is good?
The gun control is only a symptom of the cause which is that "Nazism rested on three main ideas: the glorification of irrationality, the demand for self sacrifice and the elevation of the state above the individual." Do you see the implementation of those ideas anywhere around you?
Leonard Piekoff wrote a book about it in 1980 - http://www.peikoff.com/lr/interview.htm
Ain't nobody going to faint when Obama or Hillary walk by.
Lets forget gun control for a moment.....right now it is very difficult to buy ammo, and we have every imaginable Fed. department buying it hand over fist....I mean they are buying insane amounts of it....amounts that are beyond reason.
Without ammo a rifle is about as useful as a club.
Go to "Lucky Gunner" they have plenty of ammo for sale from the dinky boxes, 20 rounds, up to 1000 round battle packs, in about any caliber your interested in. Gun shows seem to have a ton of reloads in bulk bags of 500 now that is pretty fair quality.
Own and shoot a firearm that has ammo available for it, and stock up, dummy.7.62 x39 x54R 9mm come to mind.
Technology has rendered this point moot. In order to give thugocracies any pause, IEDs are the minimum requirement.
who cares about the world war 2 show a.
we must protect the 6million poor jews who are being killed now by putin.
hitler died a long time ago in the early 1960s before the beatles even went to germany his death in argentina is not important.
the death bed sperm squeezed out of his wrinkled jewish ball sack that fused with an egg that became fat fuck angela merkel that is another story.
what matters here is chatham house want action now to protect the jews today in ukrainia.
at some point the world must come together with a new marshall compensation plan.
larry pull it silverstein could over see it compensation payable for the deaths of jews going back to ancient uruk starting say 6000 years ago until today 70 trillion should cover it.
I wish it weren't true, but it is:
https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/
Someone who is trying to disarm you is trying to kill you.
LOL- Just like the evil morons who run Hollywood, Schumer/Lautenberg/Feinstein are what ought to be called 'JINOs'. Power mad totalitarian control freaks yes, but no connection to any religious activity other than Satan-worshipping based. None of what they do is even remotely supported by Torah either. Something about slavery in Egypt etc might conflict with their current plans, I dunno...
Please dont shoot the messenger. I am probabably one of the very few in the US that understands gun control on the federal level and how it affects State regulation.
First, forget about the second amendment. Its not the issue. What is going on here is simple on its face, but hard to explain. On the federal level, its the taxing power. The feds tax and regulate dealers and manufactureres under a federal license. The USSC has stated in very clear terms the FFL is strictly for the collection of the tax. Now look to the necessary and proper clause. In order to insure the tax is collected, the taxable property needs to be identified. Serial numbers. Next the property moves from manu to dealer. It needs to be tracked and that is its primary nexus to commerce.TAXABLE PROPERT MOVING IN COMMERCE Think about the administartive terms and phrases. The firearm is TRANSFERED. That administrative term denotes a taxable privilege.
Then the dealer sells it to you? NO, he does not. Not in a constitutional sense. The Gun control Act of 1968 and amendments place summary conditions on the FFL and require that BATF form must be filled out as a condition precedent to RE TRANSFER of the firearm from dealer to citizen. As a matter of law, by your signature, you just created in law what is called a waiver. THINK!!! Transfer between manu and dealer is a business/occupational privilege affecting the health and saftey of the public. The USSC has stated that the second amendment does NOT extend to that activity. Moreover, the taxing and commerce powers are PLENARY as in LEGISLATIVE as in HANDS OFF under the doctrine of separation of powers. Now look at what the federal ACT requires. RETRANSFER to you and this does what? It extends those powers to YOU and NEVER releases the property from the plenary (hands off) commerce powers. It matters not who along the chain of transfer is in possession of the property. The courts MUST enforce the law equally upon all who would fall within its scope AND the courts must view the statute within the purpose and context of the powers used to create the law at its inception. And now before the courts YOU look like an FFL subject to summary and plenary control of the property at all times.
Is this constitutional? NO. Does it violate the second amendment? NO, not directly. What it does is it removes the question of PROPERTY AND ALL ITS GUARUNTEED JUDICIAL PROCESSES from the jurisdiction of the courts. These miserable fucking asshole lawyers. These brilliant devious motherfuckers are using BUSINESS REGULATIONs to regulate civil liberties knowing GOD DAMN well that the courts of law and equity CAN NOT AND WILL NOT ADDRESS POLITICAL QUESTIONS PERIOD.
The real question. The real issue is and alwas has beeen PROPERTY. The gun control acts violate the federal due process clause as the property itself by the controling statute places the constitutionality OF ANY UNREASONABLE INTERFERENCE beyond the purview of the courts UNDER A STANDARD OF SCRUTINY THAT WOULD APPLY TO A CIVIL LIBERTY. Now tell me, WHO THE FUCK has brought this before the courts...ever? The NRA and its treausury and hi buck lawyers? Not a fucking chance. These motherfuckers calling themselves public servants need to be enjoined and no one has come even remotely close to addressing the cause and affect relationships created through the unconstitutional extension of these summary administrative powers that are CLASS SPECIFIC based on condition or activity. Ask ourself. Do ou want the courts to view our property within the context of a fundamental right??? Or would you prefer the courts to view your property as merely a taxable item moving in commerce??? THE FUCKING STANDARD OF JUDICIAL SCRUTINY IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME!!!!!!
And now the States move in with their police powers. The question of PROPERTY has been preempted at the federal level and now the States....um Conneticut, et al. want YOU to register your firearm for the purpose of.....applying its police powers.....to the regulation...of a PRIVILEGE. And now You know whY the courts of law and equity will NOT interfere. Fail to register?? SUMMARY SIEZURE AND FORFITURE LAWS APPLIED UNDER THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE POWERS EXERCISED FOR THAT PURPOSE ARE PROPERLY APPLIED!!!!!! WTF. Am I the only one that gets it?????
Ypur firearms as property now lie outside the protection of the courts.
Im out of breath
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good analysis. I think this is why some states are exempting firearms made in the state, for sale and use, in the state, from needing to comply with any federal regulation.
Strangely enough this is why the 3d printed gun was legal (manufacture your own firearm for your own use). How they got him is a violation of the ITAR act (international traffic in arms regulations).
I'd like to see him offer the design online to US citizens (use a e-verify to validate), and see what other violation the feds draw up.
I read it and I think it's horseshit. Horseshit in the sense that I am not an attorney, but this sounds like the kind of shit lawyers and politicians like to pull. In simple terms, yes, all that horseshit is unconstitutional simply by virtue of the fact it circumvents the Constitution either by design or effect. Fuck that noise. And it is a safe bet that none of what you wrote will mean a hill of beans to the people resisting unconsitutionl seizure and those attempting to enforce unconstitutional seizure. But, there will be blood.
What you describe is the very fucking cancer that is killing this country.
Nicely done. You have given me the opportunity to see this from another angle.
I have two firearms. A Mosin Nagant (1942) and an M1 Garand, also WWII. Both my firearms were utilized in the dismantling of the Nazi regime. proad to own em and ready to use em.
Feinstein and Boomberg are not only Jews--they are old Jews.
You would think that nobody would understand this gun topic at a deeper level than old Jews.
And yet, they want their guns and their bodyguards, and they are dead set on taking Americans' guns.
They are traitors to their own kind.
They are the new Nazis.
A hardchore-lobbyist point of view.
The author has a lot of fantasies and should write Science Fiction instead of simplify and warp history.
In addition to it strict registration of firearms also exists in present Germany - since decades...and till now I didn't hear somebody claiming the way demonstrated here.
Heh heh. I bet you zerohedgies are all the types who dress up in army fatigues and run around the woods on the weekend, pretending to shoot Nazis. Those hilarious nutcases who were interviewed in Bowling for Columbine.
You're all mad and I'm so glad I don't live in the US.
Something tells me that if it was raining pussy, you'd get hit in the head with a dick.
Prairie Dogs are good for target practice.
I guess you wear a Pink Tutu with your jackboots
I would rather walk through the woods with my gun (wearing WTF I felt comfortable in ), knowing, or at least pretending, I was a free man to be armed. One can only guess what sort of rotting socialist enclave you hail from, but I would guess that based on your lack of freedom to carry a firearm ( and physical submission to your armed government) keeps you in line. Type BS while you can, bitch.
Meanwhile in Slovenia http://youtu.be/-q0BKe30MLs
Hey asshole, that door you just kicked in was locked for your protection, not mine.
Lead, that barbaric relic :-)
Halbrook concludes by noting that less government regulation and a tradition of rejecting tyranny could have led to a different outcome in Germany.
Bullshit. Hitler took away the rights of the Jews little by little plus the rest of the people were glad to help with oppressing them. In retrospect it's easy to say what they could have done if they had guns (actually they would all still be dead, along with maybe a few more Germans), but the Jews never knew where it was all heading so they maintained hope that justice might reassert itself. If the army comes to your door and says give me your gun and you can live or I'll kill your entire family, most people will do the easy thing.
By the way, of the jews killed in the Holocaust only a small percentange actually came from Germany--2.5% or about 150,000.
That is because the German and Austrian jews lived under increasing tyranny and left these countries before the full force. The nazis had perfected the technique of registration and rounding up in Germany, so when they invaded the other countries they knew what they were doing. Some of the biggest non-weapon war contracts went to companies like IBM to collect and process the information needed to run these camps
Thats only partial true. You must see, that the majority of the Jews living in Germany were simply said ethnical Germans but with Jewish religion. The same was the case in Northern Italy and Northern France the Jews living there were genetically identical with the sorrounding population. Only the religion differed. See this: http://dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog?TagID=97759
But the so called "Ost Juden" of Khazar orign (more than 80% of the living Jews are of Khazar orign) had genetically nothing to do with the Germans (Ashkenazi) nor much with the semitic people still remaining in Palestine despite the ongoing pressure of the state of Israel.Khazars and Ashkenazi culture only soemhow met in Poland, West Ukraine, Lithuania, as well as in the eastern parts of the Austro-Hungarian empire. The Khazar Jews adopted much from the Ashkenazi Jews which had a very high intellectual standard.
In germany nearly all "Halbjuden" childreen of marriages between a christian and a jews survived but they had it not easy of course.
Invest in precious metals,, Gold, Silver and Lead.
I tell ya, I vus gassed 3...no no 6 times.
"There is no shortage of theories or writings related to the rise of the Third Reich and the subsequent Holocaust."
But there IS a shortage of writings, TV shows and movies about how many Christians died, who were even more busy killing other Christians than they wer busy killing Jews.
And then there is the shortage of writings, TV shows and movies about how many Russians died fighting and beating the Nazis.
Hint: millions more in each case than there were Jews killed. Even if the figure of 6 million is accurate (not somewhat inflated).
Are you kidding? Try the History Channel. Most stories about WWII are about Christians killing Christians. Duh.
Which 6 million? Do you mean the first Jewish "holocaust" of "6 million" before, during, and after WWI?
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhkOr do you mean the actual 280,000 total of all different people who died due to direct allied bombing, typhus, and later malnutrition and disease, while interned during WWII, as reported by the ICRC who had representatives in the camps since 1942?
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/
Or maybe Eisenhower, De Gaulle, and Churchill missed something, lol.
"Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war." http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p19_Faurisson.html
Or maybe you would like to continue to believe in the discredited(coercion, fabrications) Soviet laden kangaroo court "Nuremberg Trials", with a couple “confessions” under coercion and threat to self and family, and which were simply about general war crimes, not "holocausts", and that even an involved US Federal Court Justice, a prominent Jewish international law professor, US Congressmen, and many others who were directly involved, called a complete fraud.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Weberb.html
For Eisenhower, Churchill and De Gaulle to mention anything about the camps in their glorified history's would be like Mr Obama, Ms Clinton and Mr Kerry mentioning the Benghazi was a mistake. Their Ego will not allow any dissent or acknowledgement of faiures
Remember the Victor gets to write the history.
1st demonize or make your opponet sub-human
2nd Justify your aggression
3rd play down or ignore your mistakes.
Your up against the never ending fable. The budgets of hollywood and AIPAC writers have got you beat ... paid with US Tax dollars that were printed within a age old debt slavery paradigm, controlled by global banking interests. Full circle shit.
More then a few German Christian male civilians in the east were rounded up to die in Russian work camps, esp. If they had played any part in the military at the end of WWI . Not too much said about this or the brunt of the Russians on the German civilian population at the end of the War.
Diana West's "American Betrayal" covers the collusion between US-based Socialist/Communist scum (including FDR) and Stalin quite thoroughly. Today's 'Progressives' are the direct connection to that treachery.
"We should all take note and never forget"
Nevemind taking notes, just take a look in the mirror.
Law is the deadliest weapon of all particularly when good people do nothing to stop its implementation and worse even when they help to impose it. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.
"eventually all internet debate resorts to quoting the nazis," i think goering said it.
Please, STOP repeating the zionist fraudulent narrative.
The only fraud is to pretend there was no holocaust. It happened, it was widely witnessed, all physical evidence was recovered.
1. The US is trying to bring in gun control
2. Nazi Germany had gun control
3. Therefore, the US is turning into Nazi Germany
Quod erat demonstrandum. I come to Zerohedge to be with the smart people!
We have the electronic gestapo-the n$@ and the enforcement arm-the iRss, and a little dictator who does whatever he pleases, law and the Constitution be damed.
Yes, it's just like Nazi Germany, isn't it?
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Nice story, too bad it relies on a myth that hitler was a fan of gun control. Hitler, in fact, loosened gun controls.
Jews and other persecuted classes were banned from having guns, but in reality it was entirely ineffective. The reason they were rounded up so easily wasn't due to them not having guns, it was due to the majority having incredibly easy access to guns, and better guns than they had. There ya go. ZH, stop trying to be political about shit you don't understand and garbage that has been polarized to fit a narrative which never happened.
1928 laws for gun registration were put into place to STOP street violence between the nazis and communists. The fact that the Nazis took power and utilized an existing law for their own benefit after the fact, while deregulating the majority of it to their favor (as ineffective as it was in reality)... simply does not fit with whatever snake oil you're trying to sell. Sorry.
"it was due to the majority having incredibly easy access to guns, and better guns than they had." So the Nazi supporters had the better and more guns, while the jews had no guns or where out gunned due to the confiscation of their weapons due to the National socialist polices on registration and restriction.
The same will come to the US you will be allowed to keep your guns, by registration, like the jews and their belongings where registered. So if a jew had a weapon the nazi knew about it and took it away. Then waited 3 weeks or so then came back in the middle of the night a took the defenceless jews to the FEMA sorry work camps.
Those who do not learn from history-are fucking idiots!
The British invented the Concentration camps during the Boer war in South African, to hold the Dutch and German settlers families that were rebelling.
Again the Germans did not call them concentration camps they called them work camps and told the Jews and others that it was not safe as the law did not protect them to stay in Normal society, so they had to go to these camps for safety. Similar to the Japanese camps set-up in America.
Remember Subjects and Slaves are not allowed to be armed.
After the Scottish rebellion of 1745 all weapons where taken by the English troops, even the sharp knives for cutting meat where taken and replaced by the round tip knives we have today at the dinner table.
long dirks.
and kilts.
oh, and Independence.
Aha.....non-registration of firearms could have prevented the Third Reich from deprivation of rights, persecution of Jews and leading war....?
My point of view is a little bit different:
Just through the omission of a consequent demilitarization of the German population after WW-1 (e. g. by consequent registration and control of firearms) the government benefitted the subsequent founding of paramilitary troups, the destabilization of the young Weimarer Democracy and finally erection of the Third Reich..
Rebellions like the Spartakus insurgance (1919), Kapp-Putsch (1920) or Hitlers march through Munich (1923) might have inhibited by registering and controlling wappons in time - and hence probably the whole radicalisation which finally lead to more and more polarisation and mass acceptance of violance culminating in voting goon & gun squads (like SA & SS) supported (alleged...) law & order parties.
And what gives the author certainty that it hadn't been just this type of uncontrollable armed squads which marched up in line with Hitlers fanatics - a mix of nationalists and radical conservatives (...as it was in Germany at this time)?
And one shouldn't forget: Drawing lessons of this time Germany since decades maintains strict registration and controll of wappons. Till now I didn't hear somebody arguing the other way round to ensure democracy.
If every JEW had a GUN, there would be NO HOLOCAUST.
(this being said in spite of my hatred towards a lot of them)
Geben Sie mir Ihre Waffe und immer in Bewegung zu bleiben NICHTS ZU SEHEN HIER
I keep coming back to Zerohedge with the hope that some day this website will grow up and stop posting low-brow garbage about guns, idiots like Cliven Bundy and other Paul pere and son musings. I mean really, to equate attempts to limit people owning assault weapons with Nazi Germany governance is beyond idiotic. Please, please, please, stick to posts on the economy and markets....please
You "keep coming back"?
How many times in the 12 days you have been a member?
FUCKING TROLL
Low-brow? Next you'll be saying that as temperatures rise that's global cooling. Never go full retard.
Those who truly value their second amendment rights would do well to get their extremists on a leash. As in all worthwhile causes, the nut-jobs can have a nasty kick-back when they piss off folks who would otherwise support the cause.
Sometimes I think those extremists are 'plants' put there for just that reason. Not just on the gun control issue, either. Many, many worthwhile causes suffer when the "off-their-meds-crowd" start getting media coverage.
When you think about it, it WOULD be a sneaky but effective way to marginalize a cause.
If you aren't praising the gubbmint for executing terrists with towel heads without trials, you're an extremist.
You could change the dates to the 2010's, the country to the US, Hitler to Obama, and Jews to Patriots and the rest of the story would fall right in line.
and cue the holocaust-denying trolls whose eyes can neither see the physical evidence of the execution camps that was preserved, never met anyone who saw them in person, and for good measure, see thermometers-readings upside-down and deny global warming as well.