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Putin Speaks On Ukraine Independence Vote: "Respects" Result, Calls For "Civilized Implementation"

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As previously reported, the key event of the weekend was the east Ukraine independence referendum which, as expected, passed by a landslide. Of course, the outcome of the referendum itself was largely irrelevant: all that mattered was that it happened, and that it gave the Kremlin the necessary and sufficient justification to intervene and enter the eastern territory when so needed. And hours ago, in its first official statement on the referendum, the Kremlin said Monday "it respects the secession referendum in eastern Ukraine and hopes for a "civilized implementation" of the results through talks between Kiev and representatives in the east." In other words, at least in the eyes of Putin, Ukraine no longer has a legitimate claim to remain in east Ukraine.

From the WSJ:

Pro-Russian separatists declared victory in Sunday's vote, ratcheting up tensions between the West and Moscow. In its first comments since the referendum, the Kremlin appears to challenge the West and Kiev's standpoint that it was illegitimate. (Read the latest updates on the crisis in Ukraine.)

 

The Kremlin said in a statement that Moscow welcomes all possible efforts to start negotiations between Kiev and separatist regions with the involvement of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

 

"Moscow views with respect the expression of the will of the people of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and expects that the practical implementation of the outcome of the referendums will be carried out in a civilized manner without any recurrence of violence, through dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Luhansk," the statement said.

And while the EU promptly proceeded with another round of largely meaningless sanctions, announced moments ago...

  • EU FOREIGN MINISTERS ADOPT SANCTIONS ON 2 CRIMEAN COMPANIES, 13 PEOPLE OVER UKRAINE CRISIS -EU DIPLOMAT

... Russia continued to rub it in, when soon after the Kremlin statement was released, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov read it aloud during a live television broadcast. Mr. Lavrov said that Moscow sees no sense in a new round of four-way meetings akin to the Geneva talks in April between Russia, Ukraine, the U.S. and the EU, saying the Kiev government instead needs to directly negotiate with representatives of its eastern regions.

Following the Kremlin statement, Donetsk was ecstatic:

"This is great news, very happy news. Excellent, excellent," Miroslav Rudenko, one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic said in response to the Kremlin's statement, which rebels in Ukraine's southeast see as a sign of support.

And while we previously reported that a Russian annexation vote (coupled with the implementation of the Ruble as currency), could come as early as next weekend, for now things are not quite clear on how long until Russia becomes the de facto land owner:

Mr. Rudenko described as unlikely the Crimea scenario—in which Russia quickly followed up a popular referendum with annexation—and said the Donetsk People's Republic therefore would take steps to develop as a sovereign state. Those include "integration steps" such as joining a Kremlin-run customs union with former Soviet republics and building relations with the neighboring Luhansk People's Republic, he said.

 

A poll by Kiev International Sociology Institute showed last month that less than a quarter of the people polled like the idea of federalization of Ukraine. This idea was supported more widely in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

To be sure Donetsk now can afford to wait - all it needs are a few more provocations by the Ukraine army to make up Kremlin's mind for it. One party whose time may have run out, however, is the Kiev government, whose IMF lifeline was conditional on keeping the country together. It failed. And now we wait to see what the IMF response will be since it is Russia, not the west, which continues to win the proxy war in Ukraine.

 

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:07 | 4750253 GetZeeGold
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Back in the USSR.....you don't know how lucky you are boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxyISsA0Oh0

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:09 | 4750260 Looney
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So, the “bad” guy plays hockey and our “gewd” guy drives a golf cart all day long. The next round of sanctions should freeze bank accounts of all hockey stick manufacturers. I think? ;-)

Looney

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:10 | 4750263 Latina Lover
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False flag by the Kiev Kriminals, targeting Putin and Russia, counting down....5 4 3 2.....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:18 | 4750440 dogbreath
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isn't it too early in the morning to upvote yourself

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:23 | 4750449 SamAdams
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Wonder how the bankers are going to enforce E Ukraine to pay it's "fair share" of their pay, er, i mean debt when secceded?  Maybe they can get Belgium to buy it?

Texas and Oklahoma next!!!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:27 | 4750469 Fukushima Sam
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Meanwhile, Russia cracks down on bloggers: http://rt.com/politics/155580-russia-internet-blogger-bill/

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:13 | 4750596 lakecity55
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Yes, even now, fewer freedoms for Opinion.

This is why the 1st Amendment is so important.

That is why western people should fight harder!

At least the Russkies are more open about it, but it makes things worse in the long run.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:08 | 4750574 HardAssets
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'civilized implementation' ?

The banksters & the neo-cons ain't gonna let that happen.

 

Just keep those tanks fueled up and ready to roll. They might be needed.

 

Future scene:   Massive crowds cheering and waving to greet Russian tanks as they roll in ?  Flashback to France as the allies rolled in to liberate Paris ?

The world has flipped upside down, it seems.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:09 | 4750261 Latina Lover
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Democracy for Donetsk, Lugansk? How dare they!

signed

The EU

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:12 | 4750269 Jlasoon
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That's what happens when you don't use NSA approved voting machines. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:18 | 4750439 BadDog
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Excellent essay and well worth the time reading.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:01 | 4750552 HardAssets
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meh . . . . article was nothing special, but decent

until you get down to the end where it claims that Jesus studied Buddhism in Tibet.

 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:05 | 4750576 Snidley Whipsnae
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Obama, fed up with Putin being glamorized in the press, shows his nads by going over Niagara Falls in a canoe... sans helmet.

Check out this video about 3:40 in...

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2014/05/obama-went-over-niagara-fall...

Comments by enlightened San Diego residents included.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:17 | 4750609 lakecity55
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"Bath House Proves Toughness"
     US leader Shot from Cannon

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:28 | 4750639 Snidley Whipsnae
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LakeCity55...

Oblamer's high profile stunts may be good for gold... It's edged up a little this am.

He probably received phone calls from PPT, Treasury, FRBNY, Fed, et al, today.

Guess he will go back to golf and cancel his scheduled 500ft high dive onto a damp anvil.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:51 | 4750597 Save_America1st
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The West can't solve Vladimir Putin

They're tryin' to get him to shootin'

But this guy's too quick

His moves are too slick

His chess guess is best, no disputin'

 

Signed: the non-lymeric king (but thought I'd give a try for WB7)

;-)

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:38 | 4751918 JuliaS
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My god those are some visionary lyrics right there! 

Must've been written by a time-travelling Putin himselt.

Man, I had a dreadful flight = Fuck the TSA.

Honey disconenct the phone = Fuch the NSA.

Ukrainian girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind = The the EU.

Georgia's always on my-my-my-my-my-my my mind = Fuck Saakashvili.

Come and keep your comrade warm = Fuck Obamacare.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:07 | 4750257 rsnoble
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Fuck the IMF.  

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:11 | 4750268 Latina Lover
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In the Ukraine, you do not fuck the IMF, the IMF fucks you!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:15 | 4750274 Lebensphilosoph
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In Soviet Russia state fucks IMF.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:15 | 4750275 Lebensphilosoph
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.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:21 | 4750289 Aussiekiwi
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If you open the door to the IMF you will get shafted regardless of who you are.....I think thats on their business cards...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:41 | 4750334 agent default
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I think that's the general rule with the IMF, not just Ukraine.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:16 | 4750435 SoilMyselfRotten
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IMF gets the gold, all others get the shaft

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:07 | 4750258 cossack55
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Does DC have a legitimate claim to remain in US?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:11 | 4750266 GetZeeGold
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I vote we bundle it with the UN and ship them both to Belgium.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:02 | 4750766 kchrisc
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If I had the money to ship one all the way there, I'd ship them both...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:14 | 4750272 Uncle Remus
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Emphatically, nyet.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:07 | 4750259 timeless21
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In Soviet Russia referendum votes for you

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:16 | 4750282 Latina Lover
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There is no soviet Russia, and Donetsk, Lugansk are not part of Russia. At least get your basic facts straight.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:25 | 4750298 timeless21
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Chill out, I was referring to Russian mentality, what a straightforward man..Maybe next time, you also better exam my grammar mistakes ? Pathetic idiot.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:32 | 4750306 Latina Lover
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I don't care about your grammar mistakes since I can tell that you are well versed in English as a second language.

Maladets.

The fact that you do not use the definite article "the" tells me that you are a Ukie troll trying to stir up shit.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:35 | 4750314 timeless21
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Yes

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:16 | 4750434 socalbeach
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Want to prevent you from changing your post.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:00 | 4751026 Patriot Eke
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I love Zerohedge.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:47 | 4750347 Jorgen
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In Soviet Russia referendum votes for you

In Soviet Russia - certainly. In Putin's sane Russia - not at all.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:11 | 4750264 rodonmeguro
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Respect and civilized behavior, or fucking else people.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:24 | 4750295 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Don't worry, dude. It is Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism way to shift the bill of wrongness onto others, so no harm in being wrong, others will digest it for you.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:39 | 4750326 Uncle Remus
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That boat left a long time ago. So bring the else.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:11 | 4750265 The Shootist
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Everyone catch that goal Putin scored in a game with NHL players the other night? Don't think Obama could manage it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:37 | 4750321 MeMongo
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The Choomster only excels at receiving! Be it orders from Moochelle, banks, Israel...no matter! Sir Reggie can attest to this! 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:14 | 4750277 InvalidID
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 Will the west fight for Ukraine? I doubt it....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:19 | 4750286 Latina Lover
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Even if they wanted to, the EU/USSA elitists could not win a land battle against Russia on their home turf.

Moreover,I doubt that they are prepared to go nuclear since even elitists political criminals realize that SPF5000 sunscreen is not enough and besides, whats the point of lording over people if there is no one left to dominate.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:29 | 4750302 InvalidID
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Truth be told, the US and EU likely could win a war with Russia. The cost would be FAR to great to do so for anything like Ukraine though.

 

 I think they'll do what they did in Syria, arm the other side and be a thorn in Russias side, nothing more

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:38 | 4750319 Ghordius
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truth to be told, even thinking about going to war with Russia betrays a mentality only possible to those who feel it's all very far away and have misunderstood the very fact that all wars in the last twenty years were small "police actions" or mop-ups against previously damaged countries like Iraq

I'm amazed how many entertain this little fantasy of a war with Russia. utterly childlike. MSM at it's worst, i.e. "we report what you want to hear, and we speculate about what you would like to dream of"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:41 | 4750333 Uncle Remus
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For once, I actually agree with you, sans reservation.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:29 | 4750475 GoinFawr
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Let the consensus building begin!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:47 | 4750517 disabledvet
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Pray for Peace.

Let us put an end to all wars.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:28 | 4751134 Ward no. 6
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it is not a matter of praying for peace as it is for ppl to make peace happen

prayers won't change a thing

ppl make changes when it come to peace...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4755147 GoinFawr
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Right right right, if you're still one of those on your knees banquing on prayer to make a difference you might as well kiss your ass goodbye while you're down there; they can pucker up on mine too.

"What Jesus fails to appreciate is that the meek are part of the problem." -Reg of the PFJ

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:31 | 4750650 smoothie
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The ships can't carry enough missiles, the air support can't support the fighters that far in land, its difficult to defend against mobile air defence systems, the other side have fast jets, and land based support, you can set a nuke off at sea pretty safely and wipe out an entire battle group, one shot, and phalanx can't defend against a nuke, your shield barrage won't be enough to stop 30 incomings detonating high above, you'd need to roll with tanks, and there aren't enough trained troops.

And you have no gold to pay for all the kit!

That's it, there's your war, conventional fighting and nukes at sea, anyone really want to see that happen!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:50 | 4750804 smoothie
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That's the truth of it, down vote all you want.

the gold all went across the ocean during the second world war, this time we don't have any. Nobody is going to accept paper during war, grow up. You can't pay in oil because you need that to power all your shit!

Your advanced warships can carry what 100 missiles with nuke back up or two, each, against what, an unlimited supply of land based weapons and missles, with manufacturing facilities deep inland, if you fire a nuke in land, first you loose your battle group, 3 minutes later your entire country. Your probably going to loose your battle group anyway, because no one would have the balls to fire inland unless your homeland was threatened first.

You have to spread your troops thinly and not bunch up, or one strategic hit could stop you in your tracks, resupply is a nightmare under those circumstance, and like I said every supply chopper needs an escort because you don't control the air, most of your supplies wouldn't even make it to your thinly spread forces. And you dont have enough jets to support all your choppers, in facr you dont have enough choppers in the forst place, also we don't have our carriers online, so you can't even get them where you need them.

Who's kit do you intend to use fighting your war, our kit? our boys?

You want us to design the next gen of warfare, well you better be paying in hard assets, coz we ain't doing it for dodgey paper, I mean they are printing like mad just to keep the economy afloat, and when people get their funds confiscated and have to start barter do you think anyone is going to want paper, naw gold, silver, and like I said there is none! A packet of fags was worth more than cash during the second world war in the UK, the women had to do mad shit just for stockings, dinner was a daily struggle, food stamps were traded for well everything.

Oh and see all those junkies that society has created what do you think they are gonna start doing, they already operate in gangs, they will start llooting raping and killing, you'd need to enlist them on your own shores just to protect the fighting fit. And they would be no use to fight with anyway you'd need to feed them hard drugs just to control them, although them might make a good diversion clean out the dregs first, it would be what I refer to as the "zombie appocolipse"

And you have the bottleneck at the gateway to Russia, and a fleet at sea in the black sea.

Are your troops cold weather prepared, because you've been developing desert warfare systems for how long now? The ruskies have been living in that for years and their kit works! Properly! It is reliable low tech and available in large quantities.

Are we not scrapping a lot of the high tech shit in favour of mass production models too.

We have Max what collectively 100 odd warships that can do what you are talking about so that's still not enough.

Going to war with Russia or China is madness. Suicide in fact, and It's actually the same in reverse!

Going to war with a small arms dictator is a different kettle of fish altogether, you control the airspace immediately, its a walkover! 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:35 | 4750670 InvalidID
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 I wonder if any one has considered the alternative here. Russia is working WITH the west, they will take over Ukraine, the west will bitch about it, then Russia will walk away from parts of Syria....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:40 | 4750939 Uncle Remus
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So the west can end-run a pipeline through Syria?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:02 | 4751039 smoothie
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Its a serious possibility!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:31 | 4751879 InvalidID
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It makes perfect sense. US gets to run a pipe through Syria, Russia gets warm water ports and does a gas deal with china. Everyone wins.

 

 US and Russia are the biggest players and yeah, they'd trade small nations like property without issue. Just can't make it look like they are trading small nations. Hence the show we all have to watch.... Just a thought.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:15 | 4750279 buzzsaw99
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it really pisses me off that ukraine doesn't get any imf [aka usa] money. [/sarc]

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:57 | 4750553 loonyleft
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pretty sure that the US is a 'little short' (aka dead broke) to actually give any money and that anything they do is with borrowed money and promises. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:17 | 4750283 ASACJon
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No, in other words a junta of CIA/banker backed cronies who seized power through murder and arson no longer have a tolerable claim to a region that was Russian for a greater length of time than California was part of the United States.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:18 | 4750285 Truther
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Check Mate Nuland...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:20 | 4750288 Latina Lover
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More like 'fuck you', since I doubt that Nudelman is even capable of playing chess beyond a scattering of the pieces.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:33 | 4750309 BandGap
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No, this game isn't over. Not by a long shot.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:22 | 4750292 kaiten
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What a hypocrite this Putin is. He doesnt accept the new ukrainan government because it didnt come from elections. Fair enough. But then he "respects" referendum organized by some goons from the street. Who are they? Were they elected? No. Are they ukrainans actually, or just some conmen sent from Russia? Putin, the Hypocrite.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:27 | 4750300 Theta_Burn
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Impressive how goons could muster almost 80% of a pro-Russia vote on such short notice...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:59 | 4750385 kaiten
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Thats impressive indeed. Considering ballots were counted before the referendum started, id expect 100%. Botchers.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:43 | 4750506 FMR Bankster
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It's impossible to know what result an honest vote might bring. However, those lines were huge all over eastern Ukraine. This is hardly a movement without public support. The post WW2 model has now broken down completely. This model was that selected countries can overthrow governments with no regard for the will of the people. However, you can't change the borders. We're going back to the future. Think the 1930's. Very dangerous because in most of the world the borders were carved by western powers without regard to ethnic, religious, or tribal concerns. Wish we hadn't stuck our nose (for the second time in 10 years) into something we know nothing about. But what the hell, this is the USA, we've been at it for a hundred years and it's a tough habit to break.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:27 | 4750301 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nothing better than observing Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism citizens congregating around a lie.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:36 | 4750304 Aussiekiwi
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Hang on a minute mate, there was a CIA backed violent coup that removed the elected Government of the Ukraine and installed Neo Nazi's who have already stated that it is one of their goals to remove all Russian speaking people from the Ukraine and have burnt Russian speakers to death in buildings and suffocated bound Russian supporters. this was a referendum, which means the people turned out and voted peacefully and unanimously for who they wished to govern them, do you see the difference?

 

hope this helps you out.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:33 | 4750484 kaiten
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There´s just one little problem with your fable. There are elections held in May 25 in which people can freely choose whomever they want for their president. If it was a CIA coup, they wouldnt organize them, now, would they? And the only country trying to thwart them is your beloved Russia.  

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:47 | 4750514 chubbar
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Anyone on the ballot that supports Putin and close diplomatic ties with Russia? Or are they all in bed with the EU/IMF bankers?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:02 | 4750565 loonyleft
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The idea that there can't be elections if it was a CIA backed coup (it was) is just a straw man. They are not mutually exclusive. 

CIA was involved in Egypt and then they had elections. No inconsistencies here and looks to be pretty close to using the same playbook. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:11 | 4750587 Spastica Rex
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Elections help to legitimize the selected governments.

We even do it in the US every few years.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:05 | 4751262 Proofreder
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Right On !!

But, you have to remain in control of the elected; the 'democratically elected leader' in Egypt was a turncoat, a man who nearly destroyed the country in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood only months after he was elected.  Then the people again spoke in the steets, and the Army finally moved against the chaos.  In reality, Egyptian Army officers are mainly educated in the US, have close connections with former US advisors, and desire to serve as a backstop to an elected and enlightened leader.  

Unfortunately, the first thing a new leader does is to:   A) solidify their position and   B) Amass the largest fortune possible in the least time.  Quick, call a crony.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:45 | 4750703 skepsis101
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Hey Kaiten,

do you recall what happened in the last few weeks to the only two Russian-speaking/Maidan disapproving presidential candidates?  Let's see, how about in 2016 we just have some well-meaning patriots (not) shoot Ron Paul and beat the hell out of Senator Wyden.  That would show the sheeple who's boss, wouldn't it?  You fucking CIA/SD trolls make me sick!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:45 | 4750704 skepsis101
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Hey Kaiten,

do you recall what happened in the last few weeks to the only two Russian-speaking/Maidan disapproving presidential candidates?  Let's see, how about in 2016 we just have some well-meaning patriots (not) shoot Ron Paul and beat the hell out of Senator Wyden.  That would show the sheeple who's boss, wouldn't it?  You fucking CIA/SD trolls make me sick!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:35 | 4750664 geno-econ
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Like voters everywhere, East Ukrainians voted with their wallets. Most industry is in East which is tied to Russian commerce and trade. In any case the IMF offer was not taken seriously as it had provisions for acceptance of a united Ukraine under a coup regime installed by US inspired Neocom element.  Unfortunatly , Ukraine future prospects are dim since they are on brink of financial collapse with Russia only willing to bail out the East while the the IMF only willing to bailout the entire Ukraine with loans that can never be repayed without the industrial sector in East Ukraine. Putin understands this and has upper hand, especially with energy card.  Question is how our "strategists" in Wash. got us into this untenable situation and why Obama has not replaced those "strategists".  One wonders if Cheney is still in charge.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:08 | 4751274 Proofreder
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Of course he is ...

Google Cheneyism   The man behind the curtain.

Just be careful you stay out of shotgun range.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:00 | 4750764 Tracerfan
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The Kiev regime's massacres of civilians in Odessa and Mariupol the past 2 weeks (encouraged by the US/IMF) probably increased the independence vote by another 20%.  Wouldn't have been 95% for independence without that.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:24 | 4750296 Aussiekiwi
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Putin just needs to play cool, eveything is working out for him, if he continues to ignore the US provocations it will all come together, everytime the west makes a move its the wrong one.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:17 | 4751083 Overfed
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I'm sure Putin is familiar with this Sun Tzu classic: When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:27 | 4750299 Hannibal
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"Respect, Civilized Implementation"......what?

I thought Putin was the new boogeman.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:44 | 4750344 Uncle Remus
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Only if you follow the MSM.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:49 | 4750355 Aussiekiwi
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The world is changing, who would have thought four years ago that Obama would support Neo nazi's or that snowden would seek protection from Russia against political persecution in the US. Or that the US would refuse to accept a democratic vote, like how dare people think they can decide who governs them!

 

We live in interesting times, Putin has become the good guy and Obama the evil empire oppresor of freedom, who would have ever figured, I'm still amazed! 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:19 | 4750443 rwe2late
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Who would have thought that about Obama 4 years ago?
Many people.

It is not at all surprising that
"Obama would support a NEo Nazi regime", or a police state and assassinations.
Apparently that is a requirement for any US presidential candidate to be vetted.
Actually, Obama's personal history and family background appear to be very consistent with such beliefs.
"Lolo Soetoro was a colonel in the Indonesian armed forces and worked for the CIA-installed dictator, General Suharto, from 1965, after returning to Indonesia from Hawaii, where he married Ann Dunham, to 1970, when he joined Exxon. President Obama's mother arrived in Indonesia to join Soetoro with young Barack Obama, Jr. in October 1967,while the CIA's anti-PKI and anti-Sukarno "mopping up" operations were still taking place."

http://www.thesecrettruth.com/obama.htm
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/special-report-the-story-of-obama-a...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:35 | 4750315 gatorengineer
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Will be interesting to see what bathouse Barry comes up with to counter.  His best move would be to let these two republics go and a prompt nato membership for the rest of the country, after a rigged election at the end of the month....

 

But.... no telling

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:57 | 4750542 Jorgen
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His best move would be to let these two republics go and a prompt nato membership for the rest of the country

NATO would have to amend their charter in that situation. As it is now, they don't allow new members with border disputes. Both Georgia (South Ossetia and Abhazia) and now Ukraine (Crimea) are in this situation. Of course, once Ukraine recognizes losing south-eastern provinces then, indeed, what is left of the current Ukrainian State could join NATO without violating the charter of that organization and Russia could not do much about it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:06 | 4750581 socalbeach
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What about inviting the US military in instead of NATO after the May 25th elections?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:50 | 4750701 Jorgen
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It won't happen. It did not happen in Georgia and it won't happen in Ukraine. Not that I am fan of NATO but in reality, it is in the US/NATO interest to get rid of the strongly pro-Russian south-east of Ukraine before getting her on board with NATO.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:08 | 4750810 Tracerfan
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If the other parts of Ukraine that are pro-Russian or at least anti-EU also leave, what is left of the rump state will be a drain on US/EU, not a contributor.  If joins NATO, could be a missile base, but Russia can also install missiles closer to the US.  EU will inherit Nazi crazies who will try to take jobs from other Europeans.  EU is being totally Fucked, like Nuland promised.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:14 | 4751299 Proofreder
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The Russkies don't need no missiles closer to the US.

They got submarines with missiles on 'em now.

And this background mutter of: We can do it, we can win a nuke war, bring it on ... absolute insanity. God help us all.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:36 | 4750317 JustObserving
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Obama spreading democracy and freedom everywhere with infinite spying, drones and threats.  His second Nobel is years late:

US, Europe issue further threats over self-rule referenda in eastern Ukraine


By Chris Marsden 
12 May 2014

 

Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine’s two eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk have declared a victory for “self-rule” in referenda held yesterday. The votes took place in the face of condemnation by the regime in Kiev and its Western backers and an appeal for the referenda to be postponed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The reign of terror unleashed by Kiev with the full support of Washington, Berlin and Brussels against anti-government protesters in the east continued on Sunday. Dozens of members of Kiev’s National Guard, recruited largely from neo-Nazis aligned with the Right Sector and the Svoboda party, forcibly shut down voting in the town of Krasnoarmeisk and fired on a crowd outside the town hall, killing a number of unarmed civilians.

The referendum papers asked in both Ukrainian and Russian: “Do you support the act of state self-rule of the Donetsk People’s Republic/Luhansk People’s Republic?”

There were 3.2 million ballots printed, less than half the seven million people living in the two provinces. But long queues formed from the early hours, reportedly registering overwhelming support.

Denis Pushilin, co-leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, declared that “All (Kiev’s) military troops on our territory after the official announcement of referendum results will be considered illegal and declared occupiers. It is necessary to form state bodies and military authorities as soon as possible.”

On Saturday, the US State Department issued a statement calling the two referenda illegal and “an attempt to create further division and disorder.” It said the United States would not recognise the results.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/12/ukra-m12.html

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:39 | 4750327 nah
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Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws

-Putin

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:42 | 4750330 SMC
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President Putin's actions indicate that his definitions of Hope, Change, Freedom and Democracy appear to be significantly different from Obummer's.

At least there is some good news this morning.

Congratulations and Best Wishes to the Donetsk People's Republic!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:44 | 4750340 smacker
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"...the outcome of the referendum itself was largely irrelevant: all that mattered was that it happened, and that it gave the Kremlin the necessary and sufficient justification to intervene and enter the eastern territory when so needed."

This may be right. Or not. Whether Moscow has been secretly waiting for this moment or not and whether the result suits Moscow, it has played its hand extremely well. I see no evidence that Moscow attempted to manipulate this vote. Instead, it decided to leave it to the people to choose their own destiny. By contrast, the West has employed mercs and murdering fascist thugs to slaughter and intimidate the population into remaining part of Ukraine. Clear evidence that Western governments have no interest at all in respecting the wishes of The People they purport to represent. Quell surprise.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:02 | 4750391 gatorengineer
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Fully agree with your comment however, I suggest a change to your avatar....  I think a swatstika is more appropriate, than a hammer and sickle, as it is facism that is driving now not communism, although that might be offensive to a certain group, who is now indeed driving, so a bit of a quandry....  perhaps a six pointed yellow star?.......

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:49 | 4750357 Eyeroller
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"The United States does not recognize the results."

There.  That showed ya.

Markets Rally.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:58 | 4750376 Aussiekiwi
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Oh NO!, quick everyone take your ballots back, the US says NO FREEDOM FOR YOU!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:49 | 4750359 shovelhead
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The Ukes are truly fucked without that IMF bailout but I imagine that stick will end up with a carrot on it.

What else can they do? Let Uke collapse into worse choas?

I doubt Putin is going to feel all that benevolent after getting his Bally's pissed on and consider a do-over without cornholing them like a Catholic altarboy.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 08:56 | 4750370 Aussiekiwi
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As long as the IMF comes up with enough cash to pay their Gas bill to Russia, otherwise its going to get a bit chilly come winter.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:06 | 4750408 intric8
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One of the terms of the IMF loan was for chevron to control the gas pipeline running through ukraine, were ukraine to hold the regions together. The gall.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:10 | 4750419 Marley
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Der Furher!  Is Poland next?  Looks like we've a unlimited supply of cannon fadder.  Oh yeah, mellenials are  too afraid to leave home.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-12/america-on-the-move-becomes-sta...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:15 | 4750834 forwardho
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Perhaps for the sake of the timid millenials the war can be brought closer to home.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:26 | 4750465 Jorgen
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I know it is nothing unusual and happens all the time with USMSM's but could not resist:

CNN showed Ukraine in place of Pakistan on the map.

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:30 | 4750466 TicoTiger
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The fact that the USSA does not recognize the referendum results in Donesk and Lugansk is understandable and undoubtedly an innocent mistake, so let's all cut Obama some slack. After all, one of the official news agencies of the DC oligarths (CNN) doesn't even their know where Ukralne is located on the map:     

http://rt.com/news/158252-ukraine-pakistan-cnn-mistake/

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:48 | 4750874 rwe2late
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 Besides,

US leaders since at least Cheney have asserted a right to create their own "reality".

In that vein, Obama has publicly stated that the Kiev coup government was "duly elected".

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/05/ukraine-a-fine-mess/

In the world of virtual voting, actual votes don't count much.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:42 | 4750504 dsty
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I really appreciate the articles on ZH re Ukraine

For those of us who have observed Russia and China for many years, we have seen this day coming Perestroika was just a temporary tactic. But we also know that taking back the Eastern block is part of their 'End Game" Who would have thought that it would be by voting. Mass troops on border appear to help. I also agree with the previous articles that this could be the end of the Petro Dollar The Bear and the Dragon have gained much strength, Their main foe, the US, has a very weak president. Russia is goading the US to strike. I do not believe it is WW3 but some serious confrontation appears ready If Russia backs down the US it will be another reason for the dollar to fall Get your house in order.
Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:56 | 4750742 forwardho
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Last year Russia finished its fiscal year with a 88 billion surplus.

In the same time period U.S. spent (including the pretend dollars created by Fed) 1.8 trillion.

From a "fundimentals" stand point, which country has taken the more sustainable path?

Get your house in order indeed.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:50 | 4750526 MarkAntony
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It seems that joining the Russian Federation is sheik these days:

http://www.businessinsider.com/moldova-region-petitions-to-join-russia-2...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:50 | 4750529 rodonmeguro
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Ukranians remember Russian Cheka favorite game of 'run around the telegraph pole.' Russian Cheka slits Ukranian's stomach, pulls out intestine and sticks it to telegraph pole with knife; then whips Ukranian and chases him around pole until intestines all wrapped around it. Cheka liked this game; killed 8 million or so Ukranians and took their land for Russians. Now it's Russia land.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 09:55 | 4750544 mentiradaverdade
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"Respects" Result. that so cool..?!! Either way is now in fashion..?!. Referendums and elections in war scenario. At least this way, those who vote are only those that interest them to vote and not everyone who is entitled to vote.  Some people voting in the polls and the other shots outside, at the entrance to the polls .. so cool ..?!
This democracy is so beautiful ..!??! is it not?
Mon, 05/12/2014 - 10:15 | 4750602 yrbmegr
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Putin calls on Kiev to lay down sovereignty over east Ukraine (so Russia can assert sovereignty there).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 11:32 | 4750906 Beard of Zeus
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Alaska.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:28 | 4751572 Turdy Brown
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Fuck Nuland!

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