Ron Paul Asks "What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”

Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?
The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?
The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.
Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?

The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?
Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses. I say let’s have no war for Ukraine!

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4753290 prains
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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4753296 ZerOhead
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I just love Ron Paul.

Don't necessarily agree with everything he says... but he knows right from wrong and you almost get the sense that he's part of the ZH community.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4753319 TahoeBilly2012
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Repubs want "world policing" and Demofags want "world progressivism" (think George Clooney having the keys to Moscow!).

Whomever sits around and keys up our dumbshit nation is pretty damn good at it!

I think this shit does finally hit the fan this fall.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:34 | 4753476 intric8
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The dumbfuck american public are so easily swayed, self-absorbed and outright imbecilic that the situation constitutes a national security risk in itself.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:36 | 4753489 Cathartes Aura
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as always, intricate layers of dumbfuckery

with each pointing to the one below.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:41 | 4753636 icanhasbailout
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Ron must be reading my stuff. From the litterbox on May 4th: Provocative Ukraine Policy Requires Prior Public Assent

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:48 | 4753652 Rusty Shorts
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Ukrainian Oil Theft Behind Banker Treachery

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:44 | 4753766 Volkodav
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completely useless

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:30 | 4753942 SoilMyselfRotten
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Americans ARE that gullible but that doesn't let the propagandists who control the message off the hook. We are products of our information and one has to recognize that before they can challenge their own thinking.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:30 | 4753953 MeMadMax
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Ok, Paul had it right up till some parts of the last 2 paragraphs.

The fact of the matter is, the ochooma admin is not interested in fixing the economy.

They only want to steal as much as they can for their buddies.

So we can stop talking about "fixing the economy" until the next so called admin, OK paul?


No, this is planned for a reason.

Someone is getting paid for this somewhere. Knocking off russia as a player on the global markets sounds more like it.

Remember paul, we are being run by chicago gangsters now, expect them to act accordingly...


"It's just good business"...



Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:29 | 4753994 SoilMyselfRotten
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And you think the last Adm. wanted to fix the economy? The last Admin., this Admin. and the next one are going to aid and abet the looting of America by the banks and Wall St.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:45 | 4754370 FMR Bankster
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I would suggest they both wanted to "fix the economy". And it looks like the "fix" has worked out just about the way they wanted it to.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:11 | 4755240 MeMadMax
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I got two checks from the last admin, remember?

Unless of course you decided not to file income taxes...

All I got from this admin was a big pile of manure...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:41 | 4753512 prains
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The dumbfuck american public are so easily swayed, self-absorbed and outright imbecilic that the situation constitutes a national security risk in itself.


self immolation would raise the global IQ and its likely we could then find a cure for cancer or at least the NFL would cease to exist, not sure what's better for mankind at this point

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:36 | 4753801 sessinpo
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TahoeBilly2012           Repubs want "world policing" and Demofags want "world progressivism" (think George Clooney having the keys to Moscow!).


Um, progressivism is policing. So what is the difference?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:36 | 4753836 tonyw
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One is world policing the other is policing the world.

There is no real choice, only an illusion, the MIC pay both major parties so both parties do as they are told.

IMHO the only way to get free of this system is to prevent corporations making political donations, but that will not happen as long as people vote for the parties who spend the most.


Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:25 | 4754042 shovelhead
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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:51 | 4753336 septicshock
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What does Ron Paul say that you don't agree with? Just one example will do.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:04 | 4753354 ZerOhead
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Two off the top of my head...


1) Selling off all public landholdings held by the government

(I like public access to the great open spaces...)

2) Letting people without health insurance die like flies when they get sick

(I'm just too much of a softie...)

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4753377 septicshock
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So, if you would like to pay for some other guys health insurance... Go for it. Don't steal from me.

Federal lands should be in states hands. Period. You can still have public spaces, just locally owned by the state rather than central.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:17 | 4753394 ZerOhead
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He was talking sale not transfer to states.

Nothing to prevent states from following a similar ideology. I predict it will happen sooner than you think.

As for medical care... it's entirely a moot point now anyway.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:49 | 4753985 Singelguy
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I beg to differ. The American people have yet to feel the full devastating consequences of Obamacare. Once they do, there will be a huge outcry and it will be repealed and/ or replaced. I expect that the full force and effect will be experienced prior to the 2016 elections and the Demorats will pay dearly for it. Not saying the Repubs will be any better, but one thing is certain; the final chapter on Obamacare has not yet been written.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:35 | 4754318 fleur de lis
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Yes, there's no way Obamacare would have passed if the power abusers didn't want it. What makes anybody thihk they care if we live or die? That racket is only to keep us just healthy enough to serve their purposes. If they're so concerned about health why do they spend so much tax money raining death on other countries?  Isn't that unhealthy? Haven't they made it abundandtly clear that they are willing to spit the most venemous lies to spend our blood and treasure, blow things up for false flags at home and abroad and shred the very Constitution that at one time guaranteed our rights? Healthcare? Deathcare is all they're good for. Everything they touch decays.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:16 | 4753397 septicshock
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Zerohead, I see you respect his integrity... We share that.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:20 | 4753412 ZerOhead
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There is barely a handful like him. If there were more they'd probably have to kill them.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:37 | 4753458 villainvomit
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whose gonna do the killing,




Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:50 | 4753540 Anusocracy
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So parks and corporate-created sick care is worth the millions of people killed by government?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:29 | 4753849 StormShadow
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If Ron Paul had been elected president he would have been Kennedyed by nightfall. There is no change coming to our leadership folks. Dems n Repubs are just two different flavors of ice cream, but both have the same end result: they make you fat and eventually kill you. A look at history will tell you there is only one way out of this for us.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:55 | 4753860 new game
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do you want a re-vol-lu-tion??? thats right, that right...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4753379 Pickleton
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You erroneously assume (Ya, it did that to you), that when states control their land, that "open spaces" will automatically disappear and also that state run medicine actually wont let people die like flies after it fails to innovate anything.  You're wrong on both counts.


But ya, I dont believe the fed has any right to sell the land that wasn't theirs in the first place.  I say evict the BLM with extreme prejudice

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753416 intric8
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In 2008 you could make a decent case of selling alaska to help pay off the national debt and getting rid of sarah palin in the process

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:25 | 4753441 ZerOhead
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Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:34 | 4753756 Volkodav
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Sell to whom?  Russia?

Get rid of her where?

To annoy Siberians?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:34 | 4753851 StormShadow
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"Sell to whom? Russia?"

Well, they would be the most likely buyer, after all that's who we bought it from in the first place. This would, however, be a terrible mistake. We don't need to sell our assets we need to fire the fuckers who perpetually put us in debt, just as any well run corporation would do.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:54 | 4753859 Headbanger
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Sounds like a plan there Volkodav!

Sell Alaska and Sarah to Russia and she would be banging and bear hunting with dear Vlad in no time on her way to being the first woman president of Russia!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:53 | 4754144 Urban Roman
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I suspect she's too stupid for Vlad.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:42 | 4753511 TahoeBilly2012
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Listen retard, it's that he points towards peace and properity through true free markets and people who can think outside the dumbfuck Jew media charade of "choices". Hillary or Jeb? Where people like you see a free nation, many see slavery. Have a swell night.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:51 | 4753808 sessinpo
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 TahoeBilly2012       Listen retard, it's that he points towards peace and properity through true free markets and people who can think outside the dumbfuck Jew media charade of "choices". Hillary or Jeb? Where people like you see a free nation, many see slavery. Have a swell night.


So you call someone a retard, then expect them to listen (understand)? Not logical.

No need to go into the rest of your post.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:56 | 4753347 Bro of the Sorr...
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too much truthiness

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:54 | 4753664 Rusty Shorts
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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4753351 intric8
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I also dont see eye to eye with some of his policy ideas but i have always agreed with the man on his fed res rant

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4753374 ZerOhead
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He certainly hasn't followed the path of least resistance and you know he believes what he says.

That is called integrity... and it can't be bought. Much anyways.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4753390 septicshock
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Agreed. Everything but the getting bought part. A man of that deep integrity can never be bought at this late stage in his life.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:34 | 4753482 Cathartes Aura
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the Paul political family has long provided exit-strategies for those who truly pay attention, ways to dis-engage from the belief-systems of the layered realities on offer by your friendly flag-waving nationstate.

led to the boundaries of real freedom - from having a label to identify Self with landmass & dreamy histories - some let go of the Paul-hands, and crossed into a more honest version of Life.

and, as always, most continue to enjoy the company of their True Believers, and cling to the stories repeated, secure in their groups, where one fine day, history will vindicate their faith in the systems.

religions play similar roles in lives. . .


Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:08 | 4753359 CrashisOptimistic
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It is one hell of a question.  Here's my read.

1) Petulance about Syria

2) The ongoing celebration of the Democratic Party FINALLY finding something they are willing to fight for.  It was many years, decades, that they took with the children of the 60s demanding that something, ANYTHING, delineate their perspective on power from the GOP.  And so they decided:

The GOP are shallow and foul.  They go to war for America's interests.

We are, of course, superior.  We go to war only for moral reasons.  We support that which is right, and we ignore our own national interest, because such a thing might influence the purity of our moral judgment.


That all comes from the Clintons.  Bill was an easy sell from Tony Blair to bomb Serbia, because, you see, it was moral.  And the US had no national interest in it.  Hillary watched.  She absorbed it.  She demanded Libya, then Syria.  She was an easy sell from France and Italy, whose Total and ENI were about to have their production contracts given to PetroChina by Gaddaffi.

The Russians abstained on the Libya vote and then the resolution was corrupted to permit killing purely defensive Gadaffi troops.  That was it.  No more.  The Russians said never again.  So, Syria.

And now here we are.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:25 | 4753609 BlindMonkey
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"Don't necessarily agree with everything he says... but he knows right from wrong and you almost get the sense that he's part of the ZH community."

There is a fair chance I wouldn't agree with shit I said a breakfast. Agreeing with somebody on every point is entirely unnecessary to agree on matters of ideological intersection and substance.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:46 | 4753977 messystateofaffairs
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Putin for the next US president, Ron Paul for vice president. (It would require Putin to shove the Zionist infiltriators one side)

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:05 | 4754010 lakecity55
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Vlad is a bit too authoritarian for me.

If we look, we can find another guy like RP.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:05 | 4754009 Brokenarrow
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that's why he has his entire family on the us payroll. he has also become rich from poaching campaign cash for his pocket

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:14 | 4753866 doctor10
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Its just business. The residents of Crimea and Donetsk have merely decides to vote themselves out from under the bootheel of the EU bankerz,  Can't have that become a regional policy worldwide. After all, Texas may decide to do something of the sort.

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