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Ron Paul Asks "What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”

Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?
 
The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?
 
The residents of eastern Ukraine have long been closer to Russia than to the US and EU. In fact, that part of Ukraine had been a part of Russia. After February’s regime change, officials in the east announced that they would hold referenda to see whether the population wanted autonomy from the US-backed government in Kiev. The US demanded that Russian President Putin stop eastern Ukraine from voting on autonomy, and last week the Russian president did just that: he said that the vote should not be held as scheduled. The eastern Ukrainians ignored him and said they would hold the vote anyway. So much for the US claims that Russia controls the opposition in Ukraine.
 
Even though the Russian president followed US demands and urged the eastern Ukrainians to hold off on the vote, the US State Department announced that the US would apply additional sanctions on Russia if the vote is held! Does this make any sense?

 
The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy. Yet we want to run Ukraine? Does it really matter who Ukrainians elect to represent them? Is it really a national security matter worth risking a nuclear war with Russia whether Ukraine votes for more regional autonomy and a weaker central government? Isn’t that how the United States was originally conceived?
 
Has the arrogance of the US administration, thinking they should run the world, driven us to the brink of another major war in Europe? Let us hope they will stop this dangerous game and come to their senses. I say let’s have no war for Ukraine!

 

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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4753290 prains
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VIRGINS

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4753296 ZerOhead
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I just love Ron Paul.

Don't necessarily agree with everything he says... but he knows right from wrong and you almost get the sense that he's part of the ZH community.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4753319 TahoeBilly2012
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Repubs want "world policing" and Demofags want "world progressivism" (think George Clooney having the keys to Moscow!).

Whomever sits around and keys up our dumbshit nation is pretty damn good at it!

I think this shit does finally hit the fan this fall.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:34 | 4753476 intric8
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The dumbfuck american public are so easily swayed, self-absorbed and outright imbecilic that the situation constitutes a national security risk in itself.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:36 | 4753489 Cathartes Aura
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as always, intricate layers of dumbfuckery

with each pointing to the one below.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:41 | 4753636 icanhasbailout
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Ron must be reading my stuff. From the litterbox on May 4th: Provocative Ukraine Policy Requires Prior Public Assent http://thebullelephant.com/provocative-ukraine-policy-requires-prior-pub...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:48 | 4753652 Rusty Shorts
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Ukrainian Oil Theft Behind Banker Treachery

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPRWOzvZrzM

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:44 | 4753766 Volkodav
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completely useless

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:45 | 4753898 negative rates
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Yes!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:30 | 4753942 SoilMyselfRotten
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Americans ARE that gullible but that doesn't let the propagandists who control the message off the hook. We are products of our information and one has to recognize that before they can challenge their own thinking.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:30 | 4753953 MeMadMax
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Ok, Paul had it right up till some parts of the last 2 paragraphs.

The fact of the matter is, the ochooma admin is not interested in fixing the economy.

They only want to steal as much as they can for their buddies.

So we can stop talking about "fixing the economy" until the next so called admin, OK paul?

"arrogance".

No, this is planned for a reason.

Someone is getting paid for this somewhere. Knocking off russia as a player on the global markets sounds more like it.

Remember paul, we are being run by chicago gangsters now, expect them to act accordingly...

 

"It's just good business"...

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:29 | 4753994 SoilMyselfRotten
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And you think the last Adm. wanted to fix the economy? The last Admin., this Admin. and the next one are going to aid and abet the looting of America by the banks and Wall St.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:45 | 4754370 FMR Bankster
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I would suggest they both wanted to "fix the economy". And it looks like the "fix" has worked out just about the way they wanted it to.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:11 | 4755240 MeMadMax
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I got two checks from the last admin, remember?

Unless of course you decided not to file income taxes...

All I got from this admin was a big pile of manure...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:41 | 4753512 prains
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The dumbfuck american public are so easily swayed, self-absorbed and outright imbecilic that the situation constitutes a national security risk in itself.

 

self immolation would raise the global IQ and its likely we could then find a cure for cancer or at least the NFL would cease to exist, not sure what's better for mankind at this point

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:36 | 4753801 sessinpo
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TahoeBilly2012           Repubs want "world policing" and Demofags want "world progressivism" (think George Clooney having the keys to Moscow!).

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Um, progressivism is policing. So what is the difference?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:36 | 4753836 tonyw
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One is world policing the other is policing the world.

There is no real choice, only an illusion, the MIC pay both major parties so both parties do as they are told.

IMHO the only way to get free of this system is to prevent corporations making political donations, but that will not happen as long as people vote for the parties who spend the most.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:25 | 4754042 shovelhead
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VOTE RASTAFARIAN!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:51 | 4753336 septicshock
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Zerohead,
What does Ron Paul say that you don't agree with? Just one example will do.
Thanks.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:04 | 4753354 ZerOhead
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Two off the top of my head...

 

1) Selling off all public landholdings held by the government

(I like public access to the great open spaces...)

2) Letting people without health insurance die like flies when they get sick

(I'm just too much of a softie...)

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4753377 septicshock
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So, if you would like to pay for some other guys health insurance... Go for it. Don't steal from me.

Federal lands should be in states hands. Period. You can still have public spaces, just locally owned by the state rather than central.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:17 | 4753394 ZerOhead
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He was talking sale not transfer to states.

Nothing to prevent states from following a similar ideology. I predict it will happen sooner than you think.

As for medical care... it's entirely a moot point now anyway.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:49 | 4753985 Singelguy
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I beg to differ. The American people have yet to feel the full devastating consequences of Obamacare. Once they do, there will be a huge outcry and it will be repealed and/ or replaced. I expect that the full force and effect will be experienced prior to the 2016 elections and the Demorats will pay dearly for it. Not saying the Repubs will be any better, but one thing is certain; the final chapter on Obamacare has not yet been written.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:35 | 4754318 fleur de lis
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Yes, there's no way Obamacare would have passed if the power abusers didn't want it. What makes anybody thihk they care if we live or die? That racket is only to keep us just healthy enough to serve their purposes. If they're so concerned about health why do they spend so much tax money raining death on other countries?  Isn't that unhealthy? Haven't they made it abundandtly clear that they are willing to spit the most venemous lies to spend our blood and treasure, blow things up for false flags at home and abroad and shred the very Constitution that at one time guaranteed our rights? Healthcare? Deathcare is all they're good for. Everything they touch decays.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:16 | 4753397 septicshock
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Zerohead, I see you respect his integrity... We share that.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:20 | 4753412 ZerOhead
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There is barely a handful like him. If there were more they'd probably have to kill them.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:37 | 4753458 villainvomit
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whose gonna do the killing,

 

 

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:50 | 4753540 Anusocracy
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So parks and corporate-created sick care is worth the millions of people killed by government?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:29 | 4753849 StormShadow
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If Ron Paul had been elected president he would have been Kennedyed by nightfall. There is no change coming to our leadership folks. Dems n Repubs are just two different flavors of ice cream, but both have the same end result: they make you fat and eventually kill you. A look at history will tell you there is only one way out of this for us.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:55 | 4753860 new game
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do you want a re-vol-lu-tion??? thats right, that right...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4753379 Pickleton
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You erroneously assume (Ya, it did that to you), that when states control their land, that "open spaces" will automatically disappear and also that state run medicine actually wont let people die like flies after it fails to innovate anything.  You're wrong on both counts.

 

But ya, I dont believe the fed has any right to sell the land that wasn't theirs in the first place.  I say evict the BLM with extreme prejudice

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753416 intric8
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In 2008 you could make a decent case of selling alaska to help pay off the national debt and getting rid of sarah palin in the process

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:25 | 4753441 ZerOhead
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tempting...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:34 | 4753756 Volkodav
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Sell to whom?  Russia?

Get rid of her where?

To annoy Siberians?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:34 | 4753851 StormShadow
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"Sell to whom? Russia?"

Well, they would be the most likely buyer, after all that's who we bought it from in the first place. This would, however, be a terrible mistake. We don't need to sell our assets we need to fire the fuckers who perpetually put us in debt, just as any well run corporation would do.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:54 | 4753859 Headbanger
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Sounds like a plan there Volkodav!

Sell Alaska and Sarah to Russia and she would be banging and bear hunting with dear Vlad in no time on her way to being the first woman president of Russia!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:53 | 4754144 Urban Roman
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I suspect she's too stupid for Vlad.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:42 | 4753511 TahoeBilly2012
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Listen retard, it's that he points towards peace and properity through true free markets and people who can think outside the dumbfuck Jew media charade of "choices". Hillary or Jeb? Where people like you see a free nation, many see slavery. Have a swell night.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:51 | 4753808 sessinpo
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 TahoeBilly2012       Listen retard, it's that he points towards peace and properity through true free markets and people who can think outside the dumbfuck Jew media charade of "choices". Hillary or Jeb? Where people like you see a free nation, many see slavery. Have a swell night.

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So you call someone a retard, then expect them to listen (understand)? Not logical.

No need to go into the rest of your post.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:48 | 4753901 negative rates
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I've been called a retard one to many times too, by my mom none the less.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:56 | 4753347 Bro of the Sorr...
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too much truthiness

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:54 | 4753664 Rusty Shorts
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RON PAUL 2012

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4753351 intric8
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I also dont see eye to eye with some of his policy ideas but i have always agreed with the man on his fed res rant

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4753374 ZerOhead
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He certainly hasn't followed the path of least resistance and you know he believes what he says.

That is called integrity... and it can't be bought. Much anyways.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4753390 septicshock
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Agreed. Everything but the getting bought part. A man of that deep integrity can never be bought at this late stage in his life.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:34 | 4753482 Cathartes Aura
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the Paul political family has long provided exit-strategies for those who truly pay attention, ways to dis-engage from the belief-systems of the layered realities on offer by your friendly flag-waving nationstate.

led to the boundaries of real freedom - from having a label to identify Self with landmass & dreamy histories - some let go of the Paul-hands, and crossed into a more honest version of Life.

and, as always, most continue to enjoy the company of their True Believers, and cling to the stories repeated, secure in their groups, where one fine day, history will vindicate their faith in the systems.

religions play similar roles in lives. . .

 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:08 | 4753359 CrashisOptimistic
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It is one hell of a question.  Here's my read.

1) Petulance about Syria

2) The ongoing celebration of the Democratic Party FINALLY finding something they are willing to fight for.  It was many years, decades, that they took with the children of the 60s demanding that something, ANYTHING, delineate their perspective on power from the GOP.  And so they decided:

The GOP are shallow and foul.  They go to war for America's interests.

We are, of course, superior.  We go to war only for moral reasons.  We support that which is right, and we ignore our own national interest, because such a thing might influence the purity of our moral judgment.

 

That all comes from the Clintons.  Bill was an easy sell from Tony Blair to bomb Serbia, because, you see, it was moral.  And the US had no national interest in it.  Hillary watched.  She absorbed it.  She demanded Libya, then Syria.  She was an easy sell from France and Italy, whose Total and ENI were about to have their production contracts given to PetroChina by Gaddaffi.

The Russians abstained on the Libya vote and then the resolution was corrupted to permit killing purely defensive Gadaffi troops.  That was it.  No more.  The Russians said never again.  So, Syria.

And now here we are.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:25 | 4753609 BlindMonkey
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"Don't necessarily agree with everything he says... but he knows right from wrong and you almost get the sense that he's part of the ZH community."

There is a fair chance I wouldn't agree with shit I said a breakfast. Agreeing with somebody on every point is entirely unnecessary to agree on matters of ideological intersection and substance.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:46 | 4753977 messystateofaffairs
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Putin for the next US president, Ron Paul for vice president. (It would require Putin to shove the Zionist infiltriators one side)

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:05 | 4754010 lakecity55
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Vlad is a bit too authoritarian for me.

If we look, we can find another guy like RP.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:05 | 4754009 Brokenarrow
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that's why he has his entire family on the us payroll. he has also become rich from poaching campaign cash for his pocket

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:14 | 4753866 doctor10
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Its just business. The residents of Crimea and Donetsk have merely decides to vote themselves out from under the bootheel of the EU bankerz,  Can't have that become a regional policy worldwide. After all, Texas may decide to do something of the sort.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:45 | 4754374 DutchR
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Dicking around, so yes, virgins.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:37 | 4753295 alphamentalist
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The DingleBarry regime wants revenge for Syria but has bitten off more than it can chew (rather typically).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753303 ZerOhead
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Never let your DingleBarrys dangle in the sand,

Wrap them up in cellophane and hold them in your hand.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:44 | 4753321 NuckingFuts
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My first real laugh of the day, thanks

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:24 | 4754039 lakecity55
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One morning they noticed Bath House the Pig had written something on the barn:

"Two dicks good, two pussies too
dicks+pussies will not do"

pp.6,9 Homo Farm

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753302 johngaltfla
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Palladium.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:46 | 4753326 TahoeBilly2012
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Handy wipes

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:26 | 4753611 MrPalladium
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Glad someone changed the subject to sound investment advice!!!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4753304 Atomizer
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Human bodies to tax! Old childhood memories. winks....

The Sisters of Mercy -- Lucretia, My Reflection

 

I hear the roar of the big machine
Two worlds and in between
Hot metal and methedrine
I hear your empire down
I hear your empire down

I hear the roar of the big machine
Two worlds and in between
Love lost, fire at will
Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill, I hear
Dive bombers, and
Empire down
Empire down

I hear the sounds of the city and dispossessed
Get down, get undressed
Get rid of you and me
We got the kingdom, we got the key
We got the empire, now as then
We don't doubt, we don't take direction
Lucretia, my reflection, dance the ghost with me

We look hard
We look through
We look hard to see for real
Such things I hear, they don't make sense
I don't see much evidence
I don't feel. I don't feel. I don't Feel

A long train held up by page on page
A hard reign held up by rage
Once a railroad
Now it's done...

I hear the roar of the big machine
Two worlds and in between
Hot metal and methedrine
I hear your empire down...

We got the empire, now as then
We don't doubt, we don't take reflection
Lucretia, my direction, dance the ghost with me...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753306 Elliptico
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"Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population..."

Armed men taking over a police station and demanding to succeed from the USA would bring out the tanks. They'd be annihilated. What freaking planet is the author of this story from???

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:51 | 4753337 aphlaque_duck
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secede

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:27 | 4753612 BlindMonkey
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What if they were unarmed?

What if the cops took over the police station?

You still dropping the 120mm smoothbore on the occupants? We had to destroy the building to save it kind of shit?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:43 | 4753726 buyingsterling
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You missed the point: the US government is nakedly hypocritical

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:28 | 4754049 lakecity55
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"Generallly, the USG supports Regimes which kill and burn their own people."

"Holder orders Waco Torched"

"Hundreds of Troops Mass at Nevada Ranch"
              Equipped with Armor, Drones

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753307 rsnoble
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Senses? Obama? lmao.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753308 i_call_you_my_base
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They want to fuck with Putin for winning Ukraine on their own grift and at the same time increase military spending.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4753309 beavertails
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They invaded for their gold.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:41 | 4753311 Elliptico
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The Ukraine girls really knock me out,......

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:55 | 4753665 ILLILLILLI
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Let's hope they leave the West behind...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4753314 Hugh_Jass
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What it wants is the appearance of continued relevance...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:44 | 4753320 Pesky Varmint
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The reason we are in the Ukraine is a last gasp effort to protect the petrodollar which

will be taken down by Russia, China and the rest of BRICS (although the collapse of the

dollar is inevitable no matter what).

This war will create the scenario that the US can claim that some outside entity caused

our economy to crash, they are our enemy, we must destroy them (regardless of the true

fact that it all is our own fault).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:52 | 4753340 Hugh_Jass
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INGSOC Ministry of Truth says that we have always been at war with EurAsia...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4753410 Pickleton
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INGSOC Ministry of Truth says it's all the fault of them republicans and especially their tea party dogs.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:45 | 4753323 Clifftastic
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If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.      -- Abraham Maslow (1908-1970)
Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:57 | 4753334 Dr. Engali
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It might have something to do with the fact that we have an agent an arrogant narcissistic of chaos in the White House. Everything this fucker gets involved with goes to hell. Look at all the countries where the administration has "demanded the gov. refrain from using violence". They have all been overthrown and the new gov is more oppressive than the last.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4753370 RaceToTheBottom
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When has there been a resident of the WH that has not been "an agent an arrogant narcissistic of chaos in the White House"??

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:02 | 4753522 Dr. Engali
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Nobody relishes it like this guy. Are you even paying attention? My guess is probably not.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:46 | 4753728 buyingsterling
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He's a twat of the highest order, and so is anyone who defends him in any way. Not only is he shit at leading anyone to do anything other than kill or bitch, his personality is garbage. He's a piece of shit, full stop. We've had marginal or shit leadership for 50+ years, but Obama is darker than any other.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:52 | 4754418 Treason Season
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Read some David McGowan and Fritz Springmeir then you will be wise enough to sympathize. Until then you two don'know what you're talking about.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:54 | 4753344 septicshock
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We invaded because Russia messed with us about Syria. We can't let that go unanswered in obamas mind. Simple. Let the Russians worry about Ukraine so much that they won't be able to worry about Syria and Iran when we invade?

The trick is to show you one hand while the magic is really happening in the other.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4753378 rockface
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No magic in Obama's hand.  He's a one trick pony.  I wonder where the fundraiser is tomorrow?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:14 | 4753385 CrashisOptimistic
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Everyone has satellites.

Invasion preparation of magnitude would be seen not many hours after orders are given to simply prepare.

There are no military secrets about troop or support vehicle movement anymore.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4753403 septicshock
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Since we have bases everywhere... Do we really need a long prep time?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:40 | 4753633 MrPalladium
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'Since we have bases everywhere... Do we really need a long prep time?"

Sadly yes! Most remote foreign bases are staffed by "jobs program" type soldiers. If we really intend to fight and win then we must move in Marines, Rangers, Special Forces and even National Guard units, plus all the relevant equipment. This would be seen from above.

The U.S. has a long history of staffing forward bases with what are essentially expendables stationed there as a convenient target to provide a casus belli if they are attacked. The Berlin Brigade was a classic example. There have been many others.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:51 | 4753542 Dr. Engali
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Yep technology can never be fooled or rendered useless. Keep telling yourself that.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 07:38 | 4753970 Singelguy
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You fail to appreciate the true connection between Syria and Ukraine. They are both based on maintaining supremacy of the petrodollar. Qatar wants to build a pipeline to Europe but it must go through Syria. The middle eastern countries have an agreement with the USA to sell oil and gas only in US dollars. Assad, being an ally of Russia, refused to allow the pipeline to go through Syria, so he had to be removed. When Putin scuttled that plan, they turned to Ukraine where the bulk of Russian oil flows through to Europe. If the oil flow is reduced or stopped, more pressure will be brought to bear on Syria as Europe experiences higher prices and shortages. It is very likely that Putin is well aware of this end game and will unlikely play the oil card until he has no other choice.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:55 | 4753346 ramacers
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whatever the motivations, combined or separate, of the us/eu , putin is too far a superior intellect for any positve outcome for the west.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4753383 rockface
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Putin should be a US ally but as long as a steady stream of dilitantes are elected as President we are moving towards disaster.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:25 | 4753752 Volkodav
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Putin Team   is more than one intellect

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:36 | 4754070 lakecity55
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Vlad has a professional team consisting of professionals.

Backdoor Barry has....Reggie.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:01 | 4753353 OC Sure
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"The real question is why the US government is involved in Ukraine in the first place. We are broke. We cannot even afford to fix our own economy."

"And all my friends, which thou must make thy friends,
Have but their stings and teeth newly ta'en out;
By whose fell working I was first advanced
And by whose power I well might lodge a fear
To be again displaced: which to avoid,
I cut them off; and had a purpose now
To lead out many to the Holy Land,
Lest rest and lying still might make them look
Too near unto my state. Therefore, my Harry,
Be it thy course to busy giddy minds
With foreign quarrels; that action, hence borne out,
May waste the memory of the former days."

- Shakespeare

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:20 | 4753422 septicshock
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Well said, rather well quoted.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:07 | 4753363 Pickleton
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"Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population,"

Bull fucking shit.  On what stinking planet is this the case?  Simply remove the military contract and you still have a man, the uniform, the training, the tactics and the equipment being used against civilians every day.  Drones, armored vehicles, helos, snipers, grenades, helmets, kevlar, voila  - "Uhhhh duuhhhhh, no military here."

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:35 | 4753624 skepsis101
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Hey, Pickle-lip

Are you and "Elliptico" identical twins, alter-egos, or just took the same psy-ops class at Langley?  Go fuck yourselfs, damn CIA trolls!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:55 | 4754158 Pickleton
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Hey, Sepsis

No, we aren't twins, we both just recognized the stupid lie.  And you can certainly go fuck yourself too, you half-wit troll.  And while you're trying to figure out how to do that, because you're a half-wit and all, why dont you elucidate just how it is exactly that merely recognizing military use against citizens makes one CIA.  I'll make popcorn.  Dolt.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4753384 Spungo
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I heard Ukraine hates us for our freedom.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4753389 vincenze
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It's oil and gas again.

Check Burisma http://burisma.com/hunter-biden-joins-the-team-of-burisma-holdings/
"Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director."

Robert Hunter Biden is the second son of US Vice-President Joe Biden.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:37 | 4753627 BlindMonkey
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Well isn't that just fantastic news. WTF?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:58 | 4753815 sessinpo
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  vincenze        It's oil and gas again.

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The US has plenty of oil and gas. However, the US loses control of the markets if these commodities aren't priced in US dollars.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:01 | 4754477 gcjohns1971
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CORRECT.

FURTHERMORE, SDRs are dead for the time being because too few countries in Europe were willing to put something in the pot.

Therefore Banksters must do ANYTHING necessary to keep the petro-dollar (and therefore the Dollar Reserve Standard) going until a viable replacement can be implemented.

One of the proposals is the Euro under the EU as a sovereign federation - which could happen if a boogeyman scared the refusniks to sign on.

Thus my primary objection to Putin's overly-aggressive short game strategy.  Crimea and southern Ukraine are TOO AGGRESSIVE and could easily provide conditions for the EU to congeal as an Sovereign Federation.

The military moves are unnecessary to make the Bankster regime collapse.  It is already collapsing all on its own.  But an entity so gigantic as the EU-US has a lot of momentum.  Patience is needed, not military confrontation.

The best strategy against a militant EU-US is to marshall resources and wait. 

That is precisely what brought down the USSR.

It works because of the axiom that "Something unsustainable will not be sustained".

It won't require decades of waiting either.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 20:11 | 4757139 Escrava Isaura
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sessinpo         The US has plenty of oil and gas.

 

Accordingly to whom? And, at what consumption?        

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:00 | 4754176 shovelhead
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Pure coincidence.

After a long and meticulous global search for the appropriate talent to bring fresh and inventive growth strategies to Burisma's leadership position, a candidate with that rare talent was finally chosen.

Seriously...no kidding.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:20 | 4753419 Guns N Metals
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Russia VS. Perverted Secularist USA. Don't know who would win this one, but I do know He will be triumphant in the end.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:01 | 4754179 shovelhead
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Charlie Sheen?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:23 | 4753432 Spungo
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In 2008, Alaska desperately wanted to remain part of America. 2016: Alaska will hold referendum to join the Russian Federation.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:24 | 4753435 f16hoser
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Their Gold Bullion of course. Which we stold on day-2 of the US-Sanctioned over-throw of their Democratically elected government. Ukrainians must be the Dumbest Motherfuckers on the planet.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:02 | 4753816 sessinpo
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f16hoser     Their Gold Bullion of course. Which we stold on day-2 of the US-Sanctioned over-throw of their Democratically elected government. Ukrainians must be the Dumbest Motherfuckers on the planet.

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Ukraine's gold reserves were estimated to less then $2 billion worth. Hardly worth it.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:58 | 4754165 Pickleton
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"Hardly worth it."

 

Unless one recognizes the US currency is going buh bye and the replacement will have to have backing because everyone else's certainly will (after getting royally phucked by the US).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:33 | 4753475 q99x2
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Horaay Ron Paul. The US doesn't have a government. In fact it doesn't have a US.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:36 | 4753487 daveO
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BHO (his puppeteers to be exact) never thought the Rep's would allow the defense cuts to go through. Now, they are, at the least, intent on recreating the Cold War to justify the old level of spending. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4753521 Kirk2NCC1701
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My dear Dr. Paul, let's not confuse "pretext" with "reason".  But I understand that you are smart, decent and shrewd enough not to frame the question in a manner that is too conspiratorial.  Even if you do know what the real reason is: 

1. The Big Game:  End up owning or controlling the world's key resources and energies.

2. One Coin To Rule Them All:  It's about keeping the GRC for the USD, and effectively setting the stage for the rollout of the SDR -- which is already being used by its shareholders (Fed, ECB, BOJ, BOE).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:38 | 4753629 skepsis101
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Isn't it wonderful how truth can be so succinct!  Thank you.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:06 | 4753576 Atomizer
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Two-thirds of world’s nearly 3 billion internet users from developing countries: ITU.. Bullshit, we will take down the monopoly. M&A purchase loses privileges. Read the fine print cunts. I repeat, read the fine print CUNT.

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/

 

These fuckers are going to need to update their app.

New Mozilla Add-Ons

 

Lastly, look at these MD –G8 cunts.

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/images/infographics/MDG8.jpg

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:06 | 4753578 Aussiekiwi
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Yes Obama has no problem with protestors being burnt alive and shot, because now the protestors are Ukranian civilians and not protected Neo-Nazis, but boy would he object if any Neo-Nazis got killed.  

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:39 | 4753632 williambanzai7
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Thankfully it did not interfere with this weekend's golf rounds.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:17 | 4753587 Atomizer
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Debt service has declined for developing countries. Look at that little negro getting a basket of UN KFC.

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/images/infographics/MDG8.jpg

 

Can he make a UN wish fund request to receive a free watermellon w/o seeds?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:08 | 4754212 shovelhead
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"You know how you hated your older brother for stealing your food?

Well, here he is. Enjoy."

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:12 | 4753588 luckylongshot
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What seems to have been achieved is that the American government has revealed itself to be a fascist regime wanting to turn the world into a totalitarian state. Watch in coming months as more and more countries that have histirically been allied with the US start distancing themselves. Hopefully the American people will get rid of their evil government before too many people die.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:15 | 4753592 Jack Burton
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Motivations? Anyone suspect pure evil may be one of the motives in this case?  Bankers and generals in Washington are not concerned with people or justice, they are concerned with wealth stripping and pure naked power. The motives may be as simple as greed to strip Ukraine of all it's resources, and the other may be as simple as a desire to fill Ukraine with missile bases and airfields, plus troop concentrations to launch a total war against Russia. Greed and evil that is all I see in Washington DC anymore, what else is there out there? Look how they treat us Americans, what do you call that anyways? Keeping us safe? Hardly.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:07 | 4753681 zerohedgejjxxzz12
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The psychopathic American Gov has been telling lies for so long they now think that they are KING and believe their own lies.

Someone should remind them they don't own the world. It is for things like this that people hate them, not because their broke rich.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:18 | 4753695 Joe A
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This fight is not about Ukraine at all. It is just a piece on the chessboard. The reall price is who get to dominate central Asia.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:26 | 4753706 JailBanksters
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Good question, but deserves some follow up questions like

Who gave the authority for NewLand to spend 5 Billion Dollars  to overthrow a democratically elected government in a another soveriegn nation?

And why was that authority given? when there was no threat of National Securty or any direct threat to the United States? And how come the the United Nations was nor Involved until after the event? Is the United States - State Department operating above the United Nations for resolving proplems in other Countries?

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:16 | 4754233 lakecity55
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"Who?"

Tel Aviv, of course.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:35 | 4754315 gcjohns1971
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Q: Who gave authority?

A: The Banksters whose entire regime is based on Fiat currency hegemony through the Dollar Reserve Currency.

SDRs as a replacement are a bust.  Too few players will sign up for it.  So...the dollar continues. 

And the Dollar only CAN continue if the Petro-Dollar standard remains.

The Euro might be a replacement if the EU becomes sovereign through formalized federation of member states.  But there is basically not enough time unless some great boogey man can scare the Euros into Union.

Putin seems tempted to volunteer - or at least his military apparachiks.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:33 | 4754641 JailBanksters
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Gawd

SDR's are nothing but an I.O.U written on back of a Naptin that says this I.O.U from the Federal Reserve or EU on the Back of another Napkin is Legit !  And they have about the same value as the Napkin.

And to Guarantee the Loan the IMF would of Pledged the assets of the Ukraine they don't own as colateral so the IMF can get the Napkin so they can loan the Napkin to the Ukraine.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 01:49 | 4753729 SmittyinLA
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Ukraine farmland, minerals, and control of Russia's gas, not hard to figure.

The EU is broke, this is Libya part deux, Libya was NOT about Arab spring, Libya was about stealing assets and denominating them in fiat.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 02:50 | 4753771 JailBanksters
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More previsely, it's all about Oil and Gas. But the funny thing is the Ukraine doesn't have any. And the reasons so many Ukraine politicians are corrupt is Oil and Gas.

I just want to see somebody in an Official capacity, and NOT that stupid fracking jew PSAKI in the White House or other stupid fracking jew Newland in the state department show their resoning behind the attack.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 05:41 | 4753855 yt75
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But Russia has a lot, and Russia might very well be the real objective here, in the sense "let's push a more comprehensive guy".

Eltsin was much more "neocon" compliant, and for instance Khodorkowsky (or whatever the spelling) almost sold Ioukos to Exxon.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:00 | 4753863 JailBanksters
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Well I P'ssed off at least one Jew, well good  !!

Just think how many Goyims have been P'ssed off by these F'ing Jews

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:30 | 4754298 gcjohns1971
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Alternate suppliers of energy in the Gulf or in Central Asia have to pass through Ukraine to get to Europe.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:25 | 4754262 gcjohns1971
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Correction, Libya was about taking out the guy who implemented this drop in production in January 2011:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7801

The production dropped after they had been requested to increase to make  up for some rebalancing in Saudi Arabia.  Here:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7550

AND

Ghaddaffi committed the CARDINAL SIN of requesting Gold for Oil, which threatened the PetroDollar, and the European Bankster regime.

Alternatively, you can see the cause of the Ukrainian Crisis here:

Pay particular note to charts 11-14, 17-18, and chart 23.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7543

It is all here.

This is an international energy war with the Petrodollar in the balance.

On one side we have Rothschild banksters and their captains the Rockefellers.  On the other side we have the Russian GAZPROM and ROSNEFT oligarchs - who are also not angels.

The rest of the story is hot air or a story of incompetence, unecessary confrontation, and sabotage.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:36 | 4753790 zebrasquid
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We're going against Putin because our little mulatto weenie Presidente needs to strut his black manliness after his dissin' from Caucasian Putin in Syria. Scrawny little mr. wannabe badass don't care about such things as avoiding WWW3.

Man, if only his flower child mommy would have stuck to screwing stoner white hippies instead of going black and never coming back..

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:29 | 4753880 Buster Cherry
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She did that?

Any internet reference? Just curious..... we have lots of young Barry stoner pics, but no Michele getting boned by whitey

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:36 | 4754328 shovelhead
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We do have Frank Marshall's nudie pics of Obama's mama.

https://yahel.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/obama27smom.png

 

Which on of these does not look alike?

http://aneta.org/obamatruth_us/father/BarakObamaFrankDavis.jpg

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 03:52 | 4753810 Rogue Economist
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Latest Podcasts on Ukraine-Russia-NATO

 

Ukraine Re-Redux

Financial WWIII

Fictional Wealth & Putin's Billions

 

Also, don't miss the interview with Steve from Economic Undertow on Economics.

 

RE

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 04:04 | 4753817 claycalhoun
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Let's not be disingenuous here Ron, Putin is playing games with people's lives and the West.

Sure the rebels ignored him and now he's backing the referendum,

Ever wondered if the it was just a put up job between them?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:17 | 4753869 UselessEater
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OT -Can anyone explain the Australian reference?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/russia-security-deposit-vis...

Vladimir Tikhonov, an analyst at Otkritie investment bank, said the creation of an internal payment system has been undertaken in Australia and will make Russia's financial system "more stable from outside threat" – not only sanctions, but also cyber-attacks.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 06:27 | 4753877 1stepcloser
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Ron see the following video for how and why

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPtjyqgZAUk

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:24 | 4754038 gcjohns1971
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Yes.  The US must get out of Ukraine.

But to be fair, the US is not the only offender.

The EU and Russia must get out too.

Ukraine is poor.  Why can't Ukrainians sell use of pipelines that they built and maintain to whomever they choose?  Is that fair?

Yes that would hurt GAZPROM and ROSNEFT... But they can build south stream and north stream if they don't like it.  Or they can make Ukraine a better deal.

How does it harm Russia if Ukrainians can go work in the EU if they want to?

And the EU is giving political and financial support to the most base extremists and criminals in Ukraine - all in an effort to get someone in power who will sell them use of the pipelines.

If they can't have patience with the dialogue necessary to free the pipelines for use, then let them go build their own!  Let them try to run a pipeline throught the mountains of Bulgaria or Romania!

And the US... sending guns and spies to make every bad situation worse.  Who asked you to stick your nose in?  You think to use Ukraine as the glue to stick the Saudis and the EU together, and keep the petrodollar intact.   Why don't you go geopolitic with your own resources rather than others'?

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:29 | 4754051 kenezen
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I Agree!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:38 | 4754075 Wahooo
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Nice words.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:52 | 4754137 JPMorgan
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Easy, Amerika wants to surround and isolate Russia on all fronts. They want more troops and military bases camped as close to the Russian border as they can. And ultimately they want the ability to be able to shoot down an Russia missile launch long before it could reach US aerospace (preferable while it's still over Russian soil).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 08:56 | 4754156 The Fonz...befo...
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Biden son gets appointed to nat gas producer board of directors in ukraine

http://burisma.com/hunter-biden-joins-the-team-of-burisma-holdings/

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:32 | 4754306 Atlas Crapped
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It's not nice to ask a rhetorical question and not provide the answer. We are there for the same reason we are everywhere, to protect our geopolitical interests, namely energy control and the dollar based global monetary system. 

The points made are all completely valid, but it's kinda like foreplay Ron.

You can thank me later for providing the money shot.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:52 | 4754425 shovelhead
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A rhetorical question doesn't need an answer because it is used to make a point or draw the listener into the discussion.

It is a device.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:39 | 4754346 Apocalicious
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Ron Paul Asks "What Does The US Government Want in Ukraine?"

 

A nice job for Joe Biden's son.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 09:55 | 4754443 shovelhead
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"There is opportunity in crises."

Some old dead Chinese guy.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4755104 monad
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"Where 2 fight a 3rd wins."

Some old dead Roman guy who had a front row seat. 

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