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Russia Demands "Immediate Talks" With Kiev; Says Referendums Show "Real Mood" Of People

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UPDATE: AP reports Pro-Russian protesters declare independence for the Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine.

With local reporters citing officials claiming "direct talks between the eastern regions of Ukraine and Kiev are now out of the question", Russia's foreign ministry has commented directly that:


Adding that the Dontesk and Lugansk referenda short evidence of the people's strong will to make decisions on their own, Russia wants "immediate" talks in Ukraine on state governance... and cites Kiev's criminal unwillingness to engage in dialogue with his people.


Local officials do not seem too hopeful of direct talks...



and so it seems Russia is stepping in to mediate...

May 11 in Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine referendums.

Despite the attempts of the Kiev authorities to disrupt the vote, including using against the civilian population fighters heavy weapons, radical nationalists, army, which led to casualties, residents of these areas will have passed an exceptionally active population turnout.


Preliminary results of the ballot counting convincingly show the real attitude of citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk regions have the right to independent decision-making on issues related to these vital issues. We believe that the implementation of the outcome of the referendum should take place in the framework of the dialogue between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.


Reaffirm the need for the immediate establishment of a broad discussion in Ukraine concerning its future state structure involving all political forces and the country's regions. This fully fits into the efforts of the international community, as reflected in the Geneva declaration of April 17 and the "road map" that suggested by the President of Switzerland, OSCE Chairman D.Burkhalter.


We are waiting for the real action of the Kiev authorities, and not the general declarations of intent, speedy and effective meetings with representatives of the regions of the South and East of Ukraine, which would lead to stabilization of the situation in the country. Unfortunately, the authorities in Kiev continue to demonstrate criminal unwillingness to engage in dialogue with his people.


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Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:34 | 4751156 Dr. Engali
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We will just see what Obama has to say about this. After all, he is the one with the peace prize. How soon before he starts taking credit for "resolving the issue?"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:40 | 4751180 Bill of Rights
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Screw Obama, I'm more interested in what the Teleprompter has to say.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:41 | 4751189 Arius
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i'll show you immediate talk ... call Eric.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:12 | 4751505 ZerOhead
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So it looks like the evil Russians weren't going to invade after all folks... the MSM warmongering machine was wrong yet again.

Let's just hope that the original suggestions for a Ukrainian federation of regions with substantial autonomy can happen before the economy deteriorates further or the NeoNazi riffraff starts killing more unarmed citizens.

If Obama is smart he should know it's time to throw in the towel before a wholesale slaughter of Russian speakers and Jews occurs.

Peace to the Ukraine.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:48 | 4751191 Millivanilli
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Gazprom chimed in!

Gazprom Threatens to Halt Gas Shipments to Ukraine on June 3



IMF wants the puppet regime to push east to claim the whole country-a big fucking NOT GONNA HAPPEN, or no loan.  Well, it looks like Biden and the CIA just bought another broken client state.  Maybe the EU could give them enough loans to pay their existing IMF loans. HAHAHAH  Ole Yellen might want to fire up the printing press or  it will be a  hot summer and cold winter for Europe.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:49 | 4751213 Arius
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Biden has been doing his best under very tough circumstances ... the people who understand the situation am certain appreciate his efforts!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:51 | 4751223 Millivanilli
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What have you been smokin, bro?   Everywhere the US goes, bloodshed, heartache and human misery follows.  


Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, and Libya are all in bloody civil wars.  I guess the MSM needs to keep us up on the homo kiss and the racist Jew NBA owner.   

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:59 | 4751237 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Putin is just waiting for West Ukraine to fold and say "Okay, we're just kidding guys, please take us back." Everyone already knows this is another undisputed (to any unbiased man of free thought) loss for the USSA.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:14 | 4751296 Headbanger
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Now it's Obozo's war to start like the idiot he is!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:15 | 4751516 Manthong
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“Biden has been doing his best under very tough circumstances ... the people who understand the situation am certain appreciate his efforts!”

Kerry, McCain, Nuland and others too. The entire planet owes a debt of gratitude to these valiant leaders for their efforts work with the powers in the region, assure self-determination, promote democracy and assure freedom and peace in Ukraine.

The problem is that 95% of the sheep actually think this is the case.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 20:44 | 4752958 willwork4food
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"Biden has been doing his best.."

Yea dude, just like Obama is doing his best for the good of the country. Do us all a favor will you? Stick your head inside a gas lite oven and hold it there for a few hours. Beers on me!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:23 | 4751333 Relentless101
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This person is very funny.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:42 | 4751399 Arius
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be careful - you might get junked!

there is a lot of Republitards ....replitards or whatever...

Somebody said ZH has been sold to ABC Media, if true that explain the recent overpopulation of true believers on Red and Blue Teams paradigm ,,, I just hope they are right! 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:07 | 4751484 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Too bad Vaudeville is no longer in vogue. Your comedy act could prosper.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:13 | 4751519 Arius
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Booya right back to you!



Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:41 | 4751628 Momauguin Joe
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Stooge Shemp and his brothers actually started out in vaudville, with Ted Healy, if I remember correctly.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:55 | 4751447 Luckhasit
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You've been a member for four years, you know better. 

Now, get off my lawn!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:07 | 4751483 foodstampbarry
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Arius, I've been reading your posts the last couple of days and I was just wondering, do you jerkoff to pictures of Obama?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:45 | 4751655 Blano
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Did you get banned for some reason, MDB?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:00 | 4751243 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Obammy is too busy crapping on the board as he struts on the 19th hole. 

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:25 | 4751341 ...out of space
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what teleprompter have to say about proEU force on a proRussia side now that referendum is out?

what Putin will do, will neo-naci go back behind the line?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:56 | 4751231 williambanzai7
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Take a look at his golf score cards

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:16 | 4751527 Son of Captain Nemo
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"We will just see what Obama has to say about this. After all, he is the one with the peace prize. How soon before he starts taking credit for "resolving the issue?"...

You mean this guy the guy that Trey Gowdy is asking the Press where "they" and the president were on the incriminating issues on that other scandal that destoyed that other Country thats been looted, raped and pilaged by the U.S.?

Don't worry though "Jew" Blitzer and Anderson 180 are on it!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 15:55 | 4751997 JuliaS
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Unlike the US, Russia is willing to negotiate with terrorists.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:34 | 4751157 nonclaim
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Just assign most of the past due gas bill to the East and say: "There!, you can have it all."

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:43 | 4751172 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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That sounds like a good deal for Russia. West Ukraine still needs gas and will rack up a new bill in no time.

Not being able to create real things of value for fair trade (i.e. without printing money) is a real bitch sometimes.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:27 | 4751347 Relentless101
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Dead on. It's really like the 12 year kid who wants to run away and then realizes, holy shit, what am I gonna do now?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 20:47 | 4752966 willwork4food
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sometimes you got to let the little shit run..

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:39 | 4751173 Tortfeasor
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And Russia waives the past due as a bonus for joining the Federation. And Russia gets Ukraines best economic assets. And demands prepay or pay at the pump just like your local 7 eleven.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:41 | 4751184 CrashisOptimistic
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You do realize that would also end tax revenues sent from the east to Kiev, and thereby end the IMF bailout?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:46 | 4751202 nonclaim
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The bailout is to pay the bill anyway... Get rid both of the past due bill *and* imf, so what's not to like?

What remains of Ukraine will have to find it's way to whatever they want to be.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:50 | 4751218 CrashisOptimistic
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The numbers I saw were 17B with 5 to the IMF for past loans in arrears, and about 3 to Gazprom.  So 9 spaced out over two years, and that's to be paid by cutting govt salaries and pensions and also the perpetual optimism on economic growth and tax revs in total.

If the eastern tax revs disappear, the IMF will walk.  But then the west has to pay for oil and gas, with I suppose printed Ukraine money.

It just doesn't work.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:56 | 4751232 nonclaim
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Forget eastern tax revs. Ukraine has to deal with reality and it is not pretty.

Still, if they want to be an independent country of whatever size they can get they will suffer the pains.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:37 | 4751165 Chupacabra-322
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Not a chance in Hell. The destabilized & now IMF West funded Fascist Acedemi Military Criminal CIA / State Dept Junta will have nothing of the sort.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:40 | 4751181 Winston Churchill
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Perfect PR from Russia though.
Heads they win, tails you lose choice for Kiev.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:41 | 4751186 Bastiat
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Of course Putin knows that.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:04 | 4751260 cougar_w
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"and so it seems Russia is stepping in to mediate..."

Translation: Russian APCs will be crossing the Dnieper River by June.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:25 | 4751337 Volkodav
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at least before the nato excercises of july...

but so far no tracks needed   the people walked to the vote

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:40 | 4751174 JustObserving
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Only the community organizer can truly gauge the mood of the people.  Or the CIA chief, Brennan, especially when he is traveling under a false name in Ukraine.  And, of course, Biden when he is visiting Kiev.

US is always for democracy and self-determination as long as it is in its interests. Besides, the US is helping democracy and freedom by sending 400 mercenaries to Ukraine along with CIA and FBI personnel.

Can any Nobel Prize winner do more for democracy and freedom?


Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:56 | 4751234 Bastiat
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Community organizer manufactures the mood of the people, then pretends to represent it, or represents the "mood" and interests of one or more subsets to that of the people then promotes their agenda as that of the "people."  Obama knows this game . . . in Chicago.  Here he relies on the guidance of the neocons . . . who understand nothing but their own vision and are therefore insane.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:33 | 4751584 ZerOhead
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Incredibly insane.


They aren't even able to understand that their NeoLib bretheren had already won the fucking war.

After all Russia owes billions in dollar denominated debt and the West's crooked oil companies are already busy extracting Russian oil and gas while Russian billionaire oligarchs buy soccer teams in the EU.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:39 | 4751177 Charles The Ham...
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All Russia has to do at this point is just wait it out. The uncertainty in itself will be enough to push Kiev into the idea that their position is hopeless and they will be begging Moscow to Assimilate them. It isnt like the IMF is going to be able to govern the Ukraine indefinitely.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:57 | 4751235 tbd108
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Does anyon know if the power and water going into Crimea is coming from the newly independent (or soon to be) Russian territories?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:02 | 4751250 CrashisOptimistic
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Two more Oblasts (states) in between Crimea and Donetsk and Luhansk.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:02 | 4751251 Charles The Ham...
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I would imagine that the electric and water grid and infrastructure existed before the creation of Ukraine which would make the grid most likely a Russian one considering the electricity is no longer coming from Chernobyl which is up river in Ukraine. I could be wrong, or it could be a mixture of the two since Crimea can be reached easily from both countries.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:00 | 4751241 Chupacabra-322
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"It isnt like the IMF is going to be able to govern the Ukraine indefinitely."

What? Of course they will. The Criminal Fascist IMF, CIA / State Dept., funding the NAZI's over there have a lot of more destabilization campaigns to take care of.

Lybia & Syria where just practice grounds. Definitely more blood shed of the innocent has to occur. Turn the Ukraine into utter bedlam & Putin perhaps my not want any part.

The Jackels are very hard at work as we speak.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:06 | 4751266 Charles The Ham...
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Except they didnt take into account that most average Russians are heartless viking savages with nothing to lose and everything to gain. I guarentee you that Putin has all of his i's dotted and his t's crossed. He most likely has a list of the CIA members in the Ukraine right now as well as a list of all of the "blackwater" mercs tearassing across Ukraine with tanks and running through barricades jumping them like its some kind of baja rally.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:39 | 4751179 doomandbloom
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Not in the mood, honey. Ive got a headache!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:41 | 4751182 sondernauch
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To Washington this referendum means, "Please bomb us into freedom and democracy!"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:42 | 4751192 _ConanTheLibert...
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Talk or else....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:43 | 4751193 deeply indebted
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No problem, Obama can just use some of his goodwill and political capital to... oh...wait...the "West" is fucked proper on this one..isn't it?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:47 | 4751205 gatorengineer
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Pawn to queens bishop 4.......


Maybe at some point someone will tell Vlad its not nice to beat up on retards....

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:01 | 4751246 Bastiat
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WB7 could do some nice work on this old classic:

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 12:52 | 4751225 kchrisc
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Dear "Keebler" Nuland and the rest of the CIA cabal,

You need more cookies.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:01 | 4751248 Chupacabra-322
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No, they need a dirt nap. And, it's way pat their bed time.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:12 | 4751285 svc101
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So now what if all the bakeries in Sheepshead Bay switch their allegiance to Moskva? Will another false flag bakery putsch occur?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:14 | 4751298 novictim
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Bear noses deer leg on bear trap, says "Hand over the meat or I'll just take it!"

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:12 | 4751512 TheFourthStooge-ing
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There must be a taboo or something that leads Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenists to think incorrectly this issue.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:22 | 4751328 q99x2
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Movin movin movin. Keep dem banksters squirming.


Head em in. Ride em out.

Head em up. Throw em out.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:25 | 4751340 ebworthen
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Just wait, France is going to be flooded with Western Ukranian refugees.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:08 | 4751495 Overfed
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That would probably be an improvement.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:49 | 4751676 Dublinmick
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It would probably spark a golden age in France .... by French standards ..... and result in a dramatic increase in I.Q.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:17 | 4751531 TheFourthStooge-ing
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All these Kyiv and Lviv troublemakers are going to be poured over a secondary country as Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenists once again have triggered a new colonization wave.

In all cases, the recipient country is going to suffer. A lot.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:32 | 4751356 DOGGONE
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The post's phrasing "... criminal unwillingness ..." caught my eye. Read the following:

Hello Donetsk and Luhansk,
Obama calls your election yesterday ILLEGAL.

You can call ILLEGAL this massive deception by omission done to the USA people by rarely showing these very instructive price histories:

In the USA, federal felonies include fraud, which includes false advertising, which includes deception by omission.
Class action ...?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:38 | 4751390 tommylicious
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no matter what happens anywhere, S&P chips out yet another high it seems.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:46 | 4751412 robertocarlos
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If Gazprom stops Ukraine gas shipments then won't Ukraine just take the gas going to Germany?

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:44 | 4751413 Yen Cross
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    Obozo has a long uphill slog with a swamp on the other side, in order to make any headway against Putin...Even the French are being, "well" the French.

  Despite pressure, France won't cancel warship deal with Russia - Yahoo News

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:44 | 4751414 Rogue Economist
Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:21 | 4751543 Itchy and Scratchy
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Oh there goes Vladdie again ...confusing the West with caring about democracy! One day he will figure it out!

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:24 | 4751557 Jack Burton
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The East Ukrainina territories might pull a page from the Israeli play book. First attack and destroy the non-Russian ethnics, scare away the survivors and declare an Orthodox Christian State with right of return for any Orthodox Christian across the globe. War can be used as a tool to expand into choice territories and settlements can expand into any place where Non-Orthodox make up a significant portion of the population. In time, facts on the ground, plus unlimited Russian weapons and money transfer to this new state would secure their place in the world. This might work, unless someone argues that only Israel maintains such rights, and this system is off limits to all other races and religions. I can see where that argument might gain traction, as a spcial relationship exists that no other peoples of earth can attempt to claim. Still, I would find the arguments against this Israeli model interesting.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:49 | 4751675 Herd Redirectio...
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First Eastern Ukraine will have to solemnly proclaim they are 'God's Chosen People' TM, and that Transdnistria to Zagreb is the(ir) 'Promised Land', and plus, we owe them one for various misdeeds (completely unprovoked, of course).

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:24 | 4751559 Itchy and Scratchy
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'They didn't build Ukraine!' - The Kenyan

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:40 | 4751609 Jack Burton
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Here is America's answer to the Ukrainian Federalist movement in the east.

"The village of Andreevka near the Ukrainian city of Slavyansk has come under artillery fire, self-defense forces say. Casualties have been reported in the attack.

The village of Andreevka near Slavyansk has come under artillery fire from Kiev forces, according to the representative of the self-defense forces, as quoted by RIA Novosti.

“There was an artillery attack. Houses have been destroyed. Cars are on fire. There are casualties, but the numbers aren’t known yet,” the representative said."

This is a sign that NATO is going to back the Kiev government in it's civil war against the ethnic Russians of the East Ukraine. I suspect that this use of conventional military force against populated areas is NATO's way of attempting to force Russia's hand into a response. Only if NATO can kill enough people to pressure Putin into armed reaction will the USA be able to create a new cold war in which all social and economic bonds between Russia and the EU are broken. After all, Nuland was just on TV threatening NATO attacks against Russia if they invade the Baltics or Poland. As if this crisis is taking place in the Baltics or Poland. The Nuland bitch knows just what game she is playing, she must, at all cost provoke a war, a war that will create a new cold war in which Russia and the EU are forced apart by a US created wedge issue. Ukraine being that wedge issue.

Since Nuland now has her hands soaked in blood, one would imagine her war mongering and evil intents will simply increase. The fact that that blood soaked bitch is allowed to hold a powerful position in the US foreign policy command is a sign of where the USA is taking this. Either the Neo-Cons get their war, or they will kill civilians until Russia can no longer sit by and watch the Ameican led Ukrainian army attack.

I wonder if the Ukrainian military units under CIA command have any idea that Russian intelligence is tracking carefully which units are doing the killings and keeping this information for future reference. Karma is a bitch, justice is also a bitch. When the CIA has run into safe postions, leaving these Ukrainian units hanging out there inside Russia missile range, knowing that their kill records are documented by Russian military intelligence, I bet CIA does not ride to their rescue. Dupes and puppets, it is they who will be killed, while all western intelligence and advisors are in hiding. Just like the 2008 South Ossetia invasion, dupe the Georgian Military into an attack, and when Russia fights back, all the western agents ran as fast as they could, leaving Georgian front line units to be steam rollered over. Again, Ukrainian dupes are being set up, but are too stupid to know it.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 14:57 | 4751714 Herd Redirectio...
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Probably what it would take, to make a stand against NATO.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 22:12 | 4753212 Paracelsus
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As the Merc's are operating outside the bounds of Law,I think it is a matter of time before one is captured. Then it will be a bigger mess than Gary Powers and his rocket powered sailplane. Got popcorn?

Rumors abound of Merc's caught in the Falklands conflict (mt.Kent?) that were shot out of hand to avoid the embarassment.Or maybe the troops just didn't like getting shot at by pay-for-play types.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 00:37 | 4753626 Ser Bronn
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I dont think Obummer and his masters can use WMDs to sway the american people on this one.... 

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