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Russia Retaliates: Blocks GPS, Bans US Use Of Its Rocket Engines

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Just as Russia had promised, sanctions were not effective and so they went straight to targeted bans. On the heels of The Pentagon admitting that they had "no solution" to replacing Russian rocket engines in the launch systems for US military satellites (as we have covered extensively), Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin this morning announced:

  • *ROGOZIN: RUSSIA TO HALT U.S. GPS BASES IN RUSSIA ON JUNE 1:IFX
  • *RUSSIAN BAN ON ROCKET USE FOR US MILITARY SATELLITE LAUNCHES: IFX

He further added that Russia will not extend its partnership in the International Space Station beyond 2020 (which suggests Russia does not expect a quick resolution to the current tensions).

 

As RT reports,

Moscow is banning Washington from using Russian-made rocket engines, which the US has used to deliver its military satellites into orbit, said Russia’s Deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.

 

According to Rogozin, Russia is also halting the operation of all American GPS stations on its territory from June 1.

 

Russia currently hosts 11 ground-based GPS stations, the Deputy PM said.

 

The move comes after the US refused to place a signal correction station for Russia’s own space-based satellite navigation system, GLONASS, on American territory, he explained.

This is a major problem for the US military because (as Bloomberg reports),    

 
 

The Pentagon has no “great solution” to reduce its dependence on a Russian-made engine that powers the rocket used to launch U.S. military satellites, the Defense Department’s top weapons buyer said.

 

“We don’t have a great solution,” Frank Kendall, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, said yesterday after testifying before a Senate committee. “We haven’t made any decisions yet.”

 

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered the Air Force to review its reliance on the rocket engine after tensions over Russia’s takeover of Ukraine’s Crimea region prompted questions from lawmakers about that long-time supply connection.

 

United Launch Alliance LLC, a partnership of Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co., uses the Russian-made RD-180 engine on Atlas V rockets.

 

As Putin warned - apparently correctly...

 
 

“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.

 

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Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4754537 intric8
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You see cool hand vlads style? He doesnt overreact and strike right back. He gives thoughtful contemplation to what he considers a fair reprisal for each unfair sanction levied against his people. This was coming, and rightfully so. Slowkrieg to victory.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4754546 Stackers
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Thats going to be a problem for the ISS since the Russian rockets doing all the people moving back and forth these days

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4754556 Titus
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How much will this impact US military strategy and implementation?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:26 | 4754603 Pladizow
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what about Russia's friend China controlling 95% of rare earth metals?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:32 | 4754632 Latina Lover
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????? ?? ???!

(fuck you USA!)

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:38 | 4754661 fonestar
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Russia already has a more accurate GPS system.  Another great example of how the world no longer relies on America for technology and innovation.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:50 | 4754736 gmrpeabody
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Our administration rocks...., USA USA USA

<sarc>.... for those who don't recognize it when they see it.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4754953 redpill
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Good, we should be using 100% American-made SpaceX rockets anyway instead of 30 year old Soviet technology.

 

By "no good solution" he means no solution that continues to benefit the existing military industrial complex.  Lockheed/Boeing have been gouging US taxpayers for decades with their overpriced candles.  Time to do things the right way!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:34 | 4755047 SafelyGraze
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mister putine has now ad-blocked the russian-bride images and links that used to appear on the sides of my zh page

that is that kind of retributionalities that is totally unfair

hugs,
mister bidenson 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:56 | 4755169 Spitzer
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SpaceX is to rockets what Telsa is to cars. Mostly, a fucking joke.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:20 | 4755282 gmrpeabody
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Some of the biggest technologies and great ideas started in a garage, Mr. Bigshot.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:52 | 4755421 redpill
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How exactly are they a joke?  They've been resupplying the ISS at a fraction of the cost as we would have had to pay United Launch Alliance or the Russians.

As for Tesla, go drive one and then we'll talk.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:57 | 4756170 Seeing Red
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The car reviewers who've said the Tesla is the best car of ANY type they've ever driven CLEARLY don't know what they're talking about.

Ok, ok, I admit it -- I think Mr Musk is an OK guy.  So sue me.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:53 | 4754752 Oh regional Indian
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Cue SpaceX and the musky genius.

The set-up is so complex at one level, but if you slow your mind down enouogh, the patterns start to emerge.

Wow, that is a quite a key. These are long term planners.

Slow the thinking to their time-scales....

Hmmmmm......

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4754892 DeadFred
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Orbital Sciences has launch systems available if you want an investment in the MIC plus ABM systems as a plus. Their rockets only tend to blow up when launching satellites designed to monitor the effects of global warming. 0 for 2 on those though.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:26 | 4755821 ZerOhead
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+1000 Sharp eye...

I'm going to buy some ODS (Orbit Default Swaps) on the next global warming satellite launch.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4755116 Urban Roman
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Imagine, if you will...

a military planner with the attention span of a fruitfly.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:00 | 4755447 Nigh Eve
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George W. Bush

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:23 | 4755296 JuliaS
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I hear if you puncture a Model S at just the right angle, it'll launch straight into orbit.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:00 | 4755727 redpill
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The car, or the stock price?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4754670 Vampyroteuthis ...
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This is just a warm up to all of the foreign made items the US consumes. Think what will happen when China finally implodes with the sheeples burning the factories to the ground. No more icrap for the hipsters.

Ohh, what is poor Muskie going to do. No Russian engines for his overpriced fireworks.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4754876 Leopold B. Scotch
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There will always be a government program to solve that.  Hipster like push progressivism because it's solution oriented.  Nevermind its crap success rate.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:32 | 4754634 Hexagon
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How about using European rockets Ariane? You know, those rockets made by your allies, the europeans...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:42 | 4754683 Manipulism
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Europeans are not allies, they(their politician actors) are slaves.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4754712 rucunus
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more like puppets (hurts even more than slavery)

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4755737 smoothie
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Don't piss us off! We designed the propulsion for your f35's

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:32 | 4754638 espirit
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Remind me again what game the US is playing, tic-tac-toe or checkers?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4754792 thecoloredsky
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connect 4, and they keep getting blocked

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:02 | 4754826 Volkodav
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dodge ball

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4754973 Atlas Crapped
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Chicken

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:29 | 4755324 Sokhmate
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CalvinBall

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:48 | 4755126 Urban Roman
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Tiddlywinks.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:37 | 4754657 Winston of Oceania
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"China controlling 95% of rare earth metals"

China is a producer of rare earths not a controller. Japan has already taken up production as the US once did. It is a filthy dirty and UGLY business but also one that can be done ANYWHERE if you can stomech the production process. This will be a good thing for PRIVATE US space companies so long as it is not spoon fed to an olgarchy who will only produce cost overruns and excuses.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:34 | 4755044 InflammatoryResponse
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 Actually we have a fairly substantial amount of those rare earths here in the US.  Look up MolyCorp.

 

the problem is that waste produced from mining those "metals" are not pleasant so they are expensive to deal with here in the US.

 

 

in china, not so much.

 

 

we could also recycle the batteries hard drives etc.  

I've kept all of mine :)

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:39 | 4755077 NotApplicable
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You think those private companies aren't well within the grasp of the oligarchy?

Given the fact that the Fed is the "Fountain of Free Capital," how could it be anything but?

With a magic, near infinite checkbook, what cannot be undermined by this force?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:30 | 4755842 Winston of Oceania
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Me for one, I have gone Gault.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:26 | 4754605 JoeSexPack
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Russkies cut Northern Supply Route to Af/Pak & US is back to trucks over the Khyber Pass.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_logistics_in_the_Afghan_War#Northern_...

 

Very easily stopped in past.

 

Good night, Saigon?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4754667 stewie
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I will show my ignorance of the subject here, but it's not like the US doesn't know how to build a rocket engine?!  What's the problem here?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:44 | 4754691 Manipulism
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The germans are all dead.

Americans can do shit(obviously).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4754781 duo
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Don't need them.  Just dust off the plans for the Saturn V engines.  LOX and kerosine was and still is the most cost effective way to get something large into orbit.  Of course, the drawings are on paper and were probably shreddded by some intern from the Obama admin.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:09 | 4754870 Headbanger
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Yeah but it's the tooling and metals and manufacturing know how we have lost.

And wasn't the last US lead smelter shut down recently? So we can't even make car batteries anymore.

WTF!?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4754972 Husk-Erzulie
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It's a cute idea but those engines are like 3-4 iterations behind current tech.  They are madly inefficient... no power to weight ratio.  Plus, like Bamger said, we don't have the shops or the guys; Saturn development was based on the post WW industrial base which no longer exists.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:13 | 4755508 Anusocracy
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Meanwhile, the US is busy copying 40 year old Soviet technology in order to catch up.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:34 | 4756096 espirit
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Everyday the US sells off the machinery as scrap that made it No.1 in global innovation.  What did we get back?

China Trinkets.

The American Indian must be laughing his ass off in the great beyond. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:36 | 4755610 CH1
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we don't have the shops or the guys

Nah... lots of people - like me - know how to set up shops in a hurry.

Problem #1: Fedguv only hires cronies.

Problem #2: Guys like me don't want to work for a Fascist State.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4754967 crazzziecanuck
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NASA put the Saturn V plans on magnetic tape in the early 1980s.

The tapes deteriorated, and as someone already pointed out, the Nazis that put the USA on the moon have long since died.

Just another example of how economic incentives ultimatley destroy a society.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4755109 NotApplicable
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Debasement of a currency and economic incentives are two wholly different things. Especially when the so-called incentives are political in nature, funded by OPM (which is really other people's DEBT).

Once people accept a borrower/consumer of last resort, economic incentives are no longer a coherent market function.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:02 | 4755202 Herd Redirectio...
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Operation Paperclip, Werner von Braun.  After WWII, the US and Soviets grabbed as many Nazi scientists as they could find and... Gave them new identities and a new life.  Problem being, even the war criminals among them got away scot-free.  Then again, so did the war FINANCIERS.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:17 | 4755493 The_Dude
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But we now have millions of H1-Bs here instead of Germans so of course we can just design new ones.....think of the overwhelming brainpower.....haven't you seen the advanced technologies streaming out of those countries where all of these guys came from.. (I even hear India plans a major initiative to invent indoor plumbing soon)....No wonder Fuckerberg needs .....MOAR!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4755094 Tall Tom
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The F-5 Main Engine of the Saturn V was inefficient. NASA was developing the J2X variant (of the former J2 Second Stage Engines and the Third Stage Engine of the Saturn V) in order to increase efficiency. (Of course the Second Stage and Third Stage of the Saturn V were LOH and LOX powered.) But the Obama Administration terminated Project Constellation and to the best of my knowledge that either slowed or stopped the development of the J2X.

 

By the way the Kerosene-LOX Engines were scrapped because of inefficiency back in the 1970s. That is why the Spae Shuttle Main Engine was developed...EFFICIENCY.

 

But with the loss of the Atlas V we have only the Delta that can be relied upon for Medium Lift Capabilities. The USA has no operational Heavy Lift Vehicles nor can we produce them in a short time period.

 

Conversely the Russians do. They launch entire segments of the ISS as the payload of their reliable Proton Rockets.

 

Obama is a myopic idiot and his Sciene and Technology Advisors need to be fired.

 

The Falcon 9 (Spaxe X) only provides medium lift capabilities.

 

That hurts our Defensive stance and capabilities.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:53 | 4755150 Husk-Erzulie
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AHh ha ha... Fire "Czar" Cass Sunstein?  No way dude, he's married to Samantha Power, they are Americas most precious power couple.  Plus, they hang out with Beyonce; so how could they possibly be myopic, self serving idiots?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:38 | 4755631 CH1
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Good basic point, but Sunstein resigned that post a couple of years ago.

God only knows what that piece of slime is doing now!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:49 | 4755931 Husk-Erzulie
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I hear he's available for commencement speaches...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:31 | 4756075 redpill
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Falcon Heavy is coming as early as this year, 53,000 kg to LEO.  That'll do.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 00:31 | 4757852 Anusocracy
Wed, 05/14/2014 - 00:27 | 4756228 Seeing Red
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Cool.  Although, I admire Russia's heavy-lift rocket track record (they have some really smart people).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4755054 tony wilson
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manipulism youse god damn trayter victor braun from germany was a us citzen see.

he dead but we are alives and we got beleifs if we put ares mind to it we can still go to mars germans or nose germans.

we will build a new rocket betteror than dem damn russkis.

we got detroit industrials and huston and kape kanavrril we just needs to work with are presdent

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4754716 flapdoodle
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If the MIC gets into the process (they will), the results will be the rocket engine equivalent of the Bradley fighting vehicle...or the F35

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:27 | 4755311 Urban Roman
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Correct.

A preliminary version of the R-3X16 will develop 500,000 pounds of thrust at full power.

Unfortunately it will weigh 750,000 pounds.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 19:51 | 4757070 PhilofOz
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Don't worry about your F35's. The US seems to have no problem dumping them onto other countries. Australia is gonna take 58 of them for a start at a cost of $12 billion.  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/australia-to-buy-58-more-joint-str... . I figure if they were any good at all they'd be kept solely for US military consumpsion.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4754720 old naughty
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No problem.

It means no sharing of the cigar-shaped UFO tech.

Don't even mention HAARP.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:01 | 4754813 Volkodav
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The Germans knew

The Russians know

Not sure US can get it right

Space shuttle for example

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4754903 ExpendableOne
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Space shuttle was a ferrari where a pickup truck would do.  Great technology but too costly for regular runs to space.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:17 | 4755265 BlindMonkey
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I would hardly consider a 250,000 pound vehicle a Ferrari.  You have to throw that weight up there just to get it to return.  It severely cramps the payload capabilites.  

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:41 | 4755641 laomei
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Space shuttle was a complete and utter disaster designed for military use (well, the NRO anyways) based on the idea that they could put satellites in polar orbits covertly, as well as steal soviet satellites and land quickly before anyone figured out what happened.  These requirements resulted in a piece of shit low earth orbiter that had so many problems it wasn't even funny.

 

Other options at the time... continue on with the moon, start planning for a mars-shot, cancel the entire program.  The LEO decision for all intents and purposes ended any hope the US ever has of continued manned exploration.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 16:17 | 4756279 Seeing Red
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Cost per launch turned out to be 20X the original estimate.  Yet, the original safety estimate of losing 1 out of 25 units turned out to be amazingly accurate for awhile (they eventually upped that number to make it sound safer without any technical justification).  So, either there was insane optimism on cost, or the project HAD to happen for some reason ....

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:16 | 4754916 Bankster Kibble
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Currently the Russians have the best engine for the price.  I remember reading a USA official talking about it a week or two ago, and he said Americans could do the R&D to make a new rocket engine, but it would be hideously expensive and they decided to go with the Russian engines.

NASA may have a small stockpile of them, but they will not last for long.  Good bye, space?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:24 | 4755302 Citxmech
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Are you telling me Locheed Martin, Boeing, or Raytheon couldn't reverse-engineer these things in short order?  Sure they'd be expensive - but that's the cost of doing business.  It's not like the loss of the US as a customer doens't hurt the Rooskies either.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:07 | 4755757 smoothie
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Yes!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:39 | 4755073 rbg81
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It is really hard for me to get my head around the fact the we allowed ourselves to be dependent on the Russians for something as important as rocket engines.  [And fuck knows what else]

On the other hand, I should not be surprised.  I have seen this kind of short term, wreckless reasoning firsthand over and over.  It is always the "smartest guys in the room" who come up with some stupid fuck way of doing things and get rewarded because it saves $1 in the short term even though it guaranteed to bite you in the ass int he long term.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4755123 NotApplicable
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The world is run by people who don't give a fuck about any of these abstractions, as they're created for your infotainment only.

For example, without Wall St., Hitler would've never had the capacity to overpower his competition. He would've been just another raving loon.

So... how does that fit into your narrative?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:14 | 4755252 Herd Redirectio...
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And what of Trotsky and Lenin and Kuhn Loeb and Co.?

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:16 | 4755506 Urban Roman
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With 2014 Wall St. Hitler would be broke before he started invading his neighbors.

He would be 125 years old and still trying to pay off his student loan for art school.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:08 | 4755230 Nick Jihad
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It's not so complicated. You have one group of people thinking "we can best deal with the Russians by encouraging normal commercial relations with them", and another group thinking "we can best deal with the Russians by openly fomenting civil unrest in countries that border on Russia". Opinions may differ on which approach is right, but everyone should agree that you can't do both simultaneously.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:32 | 4756078 rbg81
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Uh, it's one thing to "encourage normal commercial relations" with the Russians.  It's quite another thing to outsource key military industrial infrastructure to people who are our stategic competitiors (Russians and Chinese).  The latter is just plain incompetence, especially when we have let our industrial base atrophy.  I am reminded of the Romans who hired the Vandals as mercenaries in lieu of maintaining their own legions.  No doubt some liberal Roman statesman saw that as the "smart" way to go:  cheap, easy and politically expedient.  Maybe they even made the cocksucker emperor until the whole arrangement killed their Empire.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4754663 optimator
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Perhaps if Obama didn't get rid of lots of General Officers to replace them with his kind of thinkers this wouldn't have happened.  He'd a fired Curtis LeMay if he was still around, and we wouldn't be in this position if He was around.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4754719 Bangin7GramRocks
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Curtis LeMay was a war criminal. Don't lionize that monster.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:52 | 4755148 NotApplicable
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Why do you act like "we're" supposed to win this round?

Haven't you seen the script?

Oh well, good luck once we get fully involved with the scene titled, "Capitalism must die as it's destroying Democracy."

The only difference it makes as to who sits where in DC is merely how effectively evil they are. For instance, Bernanke's only failure was to control his lip quiver. So, they patched the facade with Ole Stone Face Yellen.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:53 | 4754755 CPL
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Space agency stuff takes a tonne of specialized knowledge, equipment and a budget.  Right now the US has a nice Gift Shop that sells the history of US space travel and exploration.  So in about 80 years of pushing the science envelope with a retail budget.  It's going to take a lot of over the counter trades in Shuttle Slurpee's and Mars bars to get a single satellite up.

Also means the entire NATO telecom sector closes shop if they keep it shut down long enough.  Satellites don't last for ever and are constantly peppered with space debris (both rocks and all the crap floating aroud up there that hasn't fallen down yet).  So replacement of satellite is a built into a line item of any telecom budget.

Let's see:  flaccid, sober, data centerless, can't read a map anymore, internet goes.  And back to rebuilding an entire space agency that took decades to build and wiping every teleco off the face of the planet because they can't get comm sats up.  OH...and the end of TV unless local OTA TV channels.

This should be interesting....

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:39 | 4755067 SimplePrinciple
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I resent your implication that all NASA does is sell slurpies and show history slides.  As I recall, they have devoted a great deal of time in training and practicing how to enlighten Muslim kids about the stupendous achievements of Muslim scientists over the years.

/s

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:19 | 4755278 BlindMonkey
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Why did you use a sarc tag on that?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4755379 SimplePrinciple
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One never knows.  Truth today is stranger than fiction, since fiction writers need to seem somewhat believable.  Reality has no such constraints.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:22 | 4755289 intotheblack
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I used to wonder why the later Romans of the Eastern empire could never equal their forebears in visual culture, urban planning, social innovation, yet they excelled in theology, scholarship, and in a diplomacy combined with military adventure just enough to ward off their more powerful enemies. Now I think I understand. This is a decadent era where we subsist on an increasingly unjustifiable sense of entitlement and the legacy assets we rapidly consume. Like spoiled heirs we can no longer produce or pay for the house we live in.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:13 | 4755247 A Nanny Moose
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"How much will this impact US surveillance State strategy and implementation"

FIFY

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:37 | 4755627 smoothie
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I think they will kill the people on the station at some point and blame "someone" for it, as an escalation tactic, it would be a great Msm headline, and the masses would start calling for heads to roll!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 17:31 | 4756528 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

How much will this impact US military strategy and implementation?

Not to worry. The rate of spending will continue to increase.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4754913 gmrpeabody
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Interesting links...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:50 | 4755142 Tall Tom
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United Launch Alliance stock needs to be sold as they are the producers of the Atlas V which uses the Russian Engines.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:43 | 4754687 StychoKiller
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Hmm, I propose parachutes and pogosticks as a solution! :>D

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4754841 Snidley Whipsnae
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All BRICS/SCO astronauts get free round trip rides to the ISS. 

All others must buy a ticket at Russian ISS Kiosk.

BTW, at one time US built the engines for the Atlas rocket. Someone needs to search for those old rocket motor blueprints... oh, the're in China now?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4754889 BlindMonkey
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The NSA should be able to dig out the files from their servers.  

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:37 | 4755060 InflammatoryResponse
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oh good grief.  just scale up the shuttle's engines.   they were very powerful and efficient for their size.

 

besides we ahve all of those out of work engineers that need somethign to do.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:16 | 4755260 A Nanny Moose
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Do you want the payloads to actually...you know....make it into orbit? Or do you just like epic fireworks shows?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:38 | 4755360 Two Towers AU AG
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USA can just as easily subtitute russian rockets with these ones for launching military spacecrafts into orbit..

The Indian PSLV ( Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle) program is a fraction of the cost of the next best option

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/02/pslv-launch-multi-sats/

Of Course the more important question is this - If the new government to be sworn in turns out to be the right wing BJP then will they oblige considering the USA has denied travel visas to their Prime Ministral Candidate for last 12 years.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:18 | 4756030 TMLutas
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ULA has 2 years inventory. Dragonrider is supposed to complete man rating tests by end of 2015. I think we're likely not to have even a hiccup and the net effect being a shift from ULA to less expensive SpaceX launches on satellites and from the more expensive Russians to SpaceX for crew. Soyuz seats three, Dragonrider seats seven. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:18 | 4754547 Newsboy
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No more NATO GPS bases on Russian soil.

Good idea.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:54 | 4754717 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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What makes you think they are using these ground stations for only GPS and not for other reasons and not just the US or any other country for that matter who has these stations set up around the world.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bent+pipe+architecture

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4754551 Bindar Dundat
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Have to admire Putin -- he is looking like a leader.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:24 | 4754588 Hippocratic Oaf
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I was in Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago 'playing golf'.

One of the Russian eh-um.......strippers told me that Putin is very much admired, "he's a real man".

She said odumbo in his mom jeans and bike helmet......."not real man".

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4754780 Titus
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This is really true and underestimated among the US population due to the propaganda efforts. All russian's desire a strong leader, the need driven by the Russian female's attraction to strong males. Putin fits the bill, and people respect him from for being strong. The very small minority (<10%) that doesn't like him are led by kids wearing $500 shoes and designer jeans bought by Victoria Nudelman's money.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:33 | 4754633 bh2
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"Have to admire Putin -- he is looking like a leader."

The morons in the WH make that easy for him. One can only wonder what the total damage to western interests will add up to by the time this President finally leaves office. Mr. Obama correctly said "elections have consequences". Too right. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:50 | 4754732 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Don't stop counting after he's gone. It's idiot puppets as "leaders" here on out, until the end, because that's what the average American has become, an idiot.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:37 | 4755880 Overfed
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Just wait 'til we get 8 years of Shitlery or Shrub II.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4754721 GeorgeHayduke
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These types of tactics are beyond the scope of mainstream 'Mercans where the prevailing tactic is to lay down the rules of the game and how it's going to be, then start swinging if you don't get your way. Times are a changin'.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4754539 border dog
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Do not piss off the Bear.....

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:18 | 4754548 asteroids
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Throw money at spacex with the removal of all the bullshit paperwork and nanny restrictions and you could probably have a whole fucking assembly line running inside of 4 months.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4754570 loonyleft
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what money? 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:25 | 4754597 BlindMonkey
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Mr. Yellen has that covered.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:26 | 4754606 loonyleft
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we no takey green funny money. you give gold or you go home round eyes

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:56 | 4754775 cooky puss
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"Mr. Yellen has that covered."

I do! \o/
No worries kiddos ;) 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:39 | 4754664 Bangin7GramRocks
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one-hundreth of the money gifted to Wall Street criminals. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:44 | 4754692 stewie
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One millionth!

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:50 | 4754741 Snidley Whipsnae
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"What money"...

How about the $2.6 Trillion that the pentagon can't find?

It's estimated that 25% of the DOD budget goes missing every year... incredible... and a hell of a lot of greens fees.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:26 | 4754602 fx
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SpaceX will be exposed as a dud - and Saint Elon along with it. Just because he founded paypal and later sold it for a nice profit, everybody seems to think he is a genius who can walk on water and break the laws of chemistry and phyisics, if need be.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:48 | 4754723 813kml
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But Elon Musk is rich, according to American thinking he must be a genius.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:28 | 4755313 JuliaS
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What do Tony Stark and Elon Musk have in common?

They're both fictional geniuses.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 14:38 | 4755888 Overfed
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I still keep thinking that Elon Musk is some kind of men's cologne from the '70s.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 17:01 | 4756433 edotabin
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Yes, introduced by the makers of Hai Karate.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4754777 BlindMonkey
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I am not convinced of that.  They have an awesome control over their rocket as demonstrated in the video.  The Russians make big power out of their rockets for their heavy lift systems.  I think SpaceX can get there with time.  

 

It is not a short term solution though.  Somebody should have thought of this before they poked the bear.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4754883 Postal
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Somebody should have thought of this before they poked the bear.

Since when do American Sheeple think ahead?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4755145 InflammatoryResponse
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"Since when do American LEADERS think ahead?"

 

fixed that for you.   we get into trouble all of the time with enemy of my enemy is my friend etc.

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4755161 NotApplicable
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"Since when do American LEADERS think?"

FTFY!

Stop attributing human traits to puppets. Frankly, it's embarrassing.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:32 | 4755335 espirit
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What do American LEADERS think is going to happen when they stick their fingers in the BEARS ASS?

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:55 | 4755164 Tall Tom
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Time is the luxury which the USA is running out of...fast.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:32 | 4755336 vened
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SpaceX and Elon Musk business model

Steal NASA engineers and charge NASA double rates for them. Profit!

SpaceX doesn't own any test facilities. They use the ones from NASA compliments of US taxpayers.

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 16:26 | 4756305 Seeing Red
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Tulip:  How about a smart, passionate guy with some vision?  I would gladly work for him (yes, I'm technical).

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:43 | 4754689 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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He got his own foundaton so he is in da club so to speak. He'll get the money needed if it is important enough to the MIC complex through his foundation or taking SpaceX public..

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 15:24 | 4756053 TMLutas
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Since ULA has 2 years of engine inventory, we don't have to do much different than what we already were doing. The 2015 SpaceX assembly line capacity is scheduled for 2 rockets per month and Some of them will be F9Rs which means they will be reusable and constitute a fleet of rockets that can launch multiple times without taking up assembly line capacity at all. 

End of 2015 Dragonrider is supposed to complete man rating so we're unlikely to suffer too much on the human launch front even if Putin stops selling seats to the US for ISS trips. It is quite likely that SpaceX will be both cheaper and better than continuing reliance on Soyuz. 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4754552 Dr. Engali
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WTF has this country who once had the greatest space program ever degenerated into? We can't even fire a damn satellite into space. Rifuckingdiculous. The U.S has become this giant lumbering  retard who can't get out of it's own way that happens to have an arsenal of nuclear weapons at it's disposal. Not a good mix.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4754581 Al Huxley
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Rocket launches don't do much to help the wizards of Wall Street reno their villas, so they get scrapped.  Welcome to the fucking third world.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4754583 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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It should make you wonder whether they can actually launch.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:24 | 4754595 Dr. Engali
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I was just editing to say the same thing. They are probably relegated for domestic use only.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:39 | 4754668 p00k1e
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Euthanasia for all the disabled/sickly peeps and we get our Space Program back.

Social Security benefits, March 2014

Disability Insurance - Beneficiaries Number (in thousands) 10,981   

Average monthly benefit (dollars) 995.38

10981000 x $995.38 = $10,930,267,780 a month toward the Space Program. 

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:41 | 4754675 Winston of Oceania
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Well the day they start that shit I'm coming looking for YOU.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4754836 p00k1e
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Since the Libs and bleeding hearts won’t get out of the way….  

How about, the owners of the disabled person must pay for it’s upkeep??  Free scooters, c'mon. 

Be real.  If granny needs a heart transplant, let the family decide if they'll pay for it.  Get government dollars out of the decision making process.  

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:54 | 4754758 Tenshin Headache
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or, a few days worth of Fed coupon passes.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4754669 Winston of Oceania
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I for one am glad that the inefficient Gub'ment is getting out of the way. Maybe if they allow more than one company to design and build our engines we would have one that works.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4754810 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Hah! I doubt Elon would agree with "inefficient Gub'ment is getting out of the way." How many regulatory hurdles has he jumped through so far? The Gubment has simple abandoned rocket design and manufacturing for more corrupt and profitable opportunities, but rest assured they still claim ownership of the playing field.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:42 | 4754671 intric8
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You know the deal. Our moronic, self-serving elected officials we've voted into office, who are a reflection of american ideals in general, have been feverishly and unconstitutionally bloating up taxpayer burden for the sake of the megacorporation banking class. Rocket science is way way down on the list of priorities.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4754681 Volkodav
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Is it correct to say that US really had the greatest space program when it was relying on Russian Science, Technology and Manufacture?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 11:07 | 4754854 Dr. Engali
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Key word there was had. We didn't always relly on the Russians.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:42 | 4754685 Bangin7GramRocks
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I guess all of our nazi scientists died. Saddest fact of the space race was both sides relied on nazis.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4754707 Manipulism
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What about all the Usrael nazis?

 

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:47 | 4754715 Volkodav
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dup...there is that also

bad Germans

bad Russians

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 10:59 | 4754797 Bangin7GramRocks
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It's cool though. If you need to shave a micro-second off your stock transaction, we have plenty of geniuses to help you out. And if you need a genius to create a new messaging app. We have plenty of them too. Rocket scientists. Shit no! It doesn't pay enough.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:00 | 4755445 Uncle Remus
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There's an H-1B for that...

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 12:22 | 4755292 TicoTiger
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How sad. Amerians used to dream about reaching the stars. Now they will only be able to look up at them during commercial breaks from whatever reality tv program they drool over. Meanwhile the Russians will be able to use their own rockets to colonize the moon. 

http://rt.com/news/157800-russia-moon-colonization-plan/

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 13:01 | 4755449 Uncle Remus
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Now it's just dancing with the stars.

Tue, 05/13/2014 - 16:25 | 4756311 Seeing Red
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+1 for great wording!!  Houston, we have a vision problem ....

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