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Vietnamese Mob Burns Foreign Factories In Anti-China Riots (21 Dead, 90 Injured)

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UPDATE 2: Reuters reports  - citing a doctor at Ha Tinh Hopsital - 21 dead (5 Vietnamese, 16 "described as Chinese")

UPDATE 1: The Standard reports Anti-chinese riot leaves 1 dead, 90 injured in Vietnam

A top Taiwanese diplomat says rioters have stormed a large Taiwanese steel mill in Vietnam, killing at least one Chinese worker and injuring 90 more.


Ambassador to Vietnam Huang Chih-peng said the violence took place late Wednesday and early Thursday at the Formosa steel mill in central Vietnam.


Anti-Chinese sentiment has been running high in Vietnam ever since Beijing deployed an oil rig into disputed waters in the South China Sea on May 1.


Earlier this week, mobs burned and looted scores of foreign-owned factories in southern Vietnam, believing they were Chinese-run, but many were actually Taiwanese or South Korean

For background on the what, where, when, and how China decided to do this see here... and why China decided now was the right time, see here.


Mike Krieger at Liberty Blitzkrieg has some more color:

As the war/civil unrest cycle continues to march forward, there appear to be two main geopolitical tinderboxes percolating at the moment. While we all know about Ukraine/Russia, which will only get worse in the months ahead, the South China Sea looks like it may be about to burst out into overt conflict.

The mob irrationally damaged mostly Taiwanese factories, but the focus of the ire was clear: China.

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Reuters reports that:

(Reuters) – Thousands of Vietnamese set fire to foreign factories and rampaged in industrial zones in the south of the country in an angry reaction to Chinese oil drilling in a part of the South China Sea claimed by Vietnam, officials said on Wednesday.


The brunt of Tuesday’s violence, one of the worst breakdowns in Sino-Vietnamese relations since the neighbors fought a brief border war in 1979, appears to have been borne by Taiwanese firms in the zones in Binh Duong and Dong Nai provinces that were mistaken for Chinese-owned companies.


Photographs posted on social media sites and blogs, purportedly of the aftermath of the violence, showed blackened shipping containers, smashed windows and several burnt out vehicles that had been overturned.


“I fear a dark chapter in Sino-Vietnamese relations is now being written,” 



"CCP - Leave East China Sea"

Submitted by Shannon Tiezzi via The Diplomat,

Anti-Chinese sentiment in Vietnam spilled over into rioting on Tuesday, with Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs reporting that two Taiwanese citizens were injured.  The New York Times’ Chinese-language webpage cited local officials as saying there had been no deaths.

Most of the violence centered on industrial zones in the provinces of Binh Duong and Dong Nai, located respectively to the north and northeast of Ho Chi Minh City. Although the protests were sparked by anger at a Chinese oil rig operating in waters Vietnam claims as its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), rioters also damaged Taiwanese companies in the area. As the Taiwanese news agency CNA reported, the rioters targeted factories “with signs bearing Chinese characters or those with Chinese nationals as managers, many of which are actually Taiwanese companies.” Factories owned by Japanese, South Korean, and Singaporean citizens were also damaged in the riots.

Tran Van Nam, the vice chairman of Binh Duong province’s People’s Committee, told Reuters that the riots began after over 20,000 people turned out for what had been peaceful protests. In the course of the riot, 15 factories were set on fire, according to Nam.  He estimated hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of damage had been done. Taiwan’s representative to Vietnam, Huang Chih-peng, said that the riots had affected almost 1,000 Taiwanese companies in Binh Duong province alone.

The president of Formosa Industries Corp, one of the affected companies, said that rioters had looted electronic equipment as well as the personal belongings of factory workers.  He complained that a lack of police presence in the area had allowed the rioters to run unchecked. The central government sent riot police and the military to help restore order to the affected areas. According  to local police, over 440 people have been detained for their role in the riots. Most factories in the area remained shut down on Wednesday, although reports indicated the violence has stopped.

Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has issued a travel alert for Binh Duong and Dong Nai provinces, warning citizens to “avoid unnecessary travel” to those areas. China’s embassy in Vietnam posted a similar warning to its homepage, telling Chinese citizens to take precaution to ensure their safety and not to go out unless absolutely necessary. A spokesman for China’s Foreign Ministry demanded that Vietnam “adopt effective measures to … protect the safety of Chinese citizens and institutions.”

Tuesday’s riots came after several days of demonstrations in Vietnam against what is seen as Chinese encroachment into Vietnamese territory. Over the weekend, protestors rallied outside the Chinese embassy in Hanoi. The protestors were seen as having government support, as previous protests targeting China had been broken up by the authorities.

The anti-China riots bring a worrying extra dimension to what is already a tense crisis in the South China Sea. Continued violence against Chinese businesses could spark counter-protests in China. Intense domestic furor in both Vietnam and China would make a peaceful resolution to the oil rig confrontations even less likely. For now, at least, China appears to be trying to keep news of the riots from spreading, perhaps in an attempt to prevent public outrage. Chinese media outlets have been ordered not to report on the riots, according to China Digital Times.

Meanwhile, the damage done to Taiwanese factories also drags Taiwan into the dispute between Vietnam and the PRC. Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs called for increased security to protect Taiwanese businesspeople in the area, and also requested that Hanoi compensate business owners for damage done during the riots.



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Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:27 | 4761542 BrosephStiglitz
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Get me off this hunk of rock.  The apes are taking over. 

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:33 | 4761557 knukles
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Why can't we all just get a wong?

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:36 | 4761560 kliguy38
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If you were Hung Tu Long you would understand

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:38 | 4761565 BlackChicken
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Only wish it were a factory where they make bankers.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:41 | 4761567 CrazyCooter
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China and Vietnam are huge trading partners. The market relationship between the two is very significant. While these VN vs CN reports are inflammatory, one has to take pause and think what the elites (in VN and CN) are thinking.

CN ruled VN for almost 1k years if I am not mistaken in my history. The French took over, followed by the US, followed by independence. VN is one of the few countries that actually routed the US, albeit thought atypical situations.

If CN really wants to ball gag VN, all hell is going to break loose.

CN and the US are facing desperate collapses in their monetary systems. War is the last refuge.

I sincerely hope peace reigns and we get banker decorations for X-mas trees this year, else is might be a billion (or three) dead.



EDIT: And I forgot to mention that on the demographic angle, VN is one of the few "industrial" countries with a young population due to the wars. Looking to invest long term? Find a population with *young* people who actually work for a living instead of sponge off government.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:44 | 4761577 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I was told by a friend, who came to California when a boy as one of the boat people refugees, that most Viet hate the Chinese. Not having first hand knowledge, does any one from that area have a better understanding? Are the Chinese hated by the majority of Viet?

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:52 | 4761588 Rusty Shorts
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Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:02 | 4761605 So What
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Taiwanese are for the most part Chinese. They came over after 1949 from mainland. (if I'm not incorrect about the year.) The native Formosan population, indigenous to the Taiwan island, is a minority now.
Vietnamese know this that's why they torched the Taiwanese factory.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:10 | 4761614 Handful of Dust
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Burning your own factories, stores and neighborhood up ... very LA 1960s-ish:

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:03 | 4761821 negative rates
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Now China is going to have to go in there and quell the violence, where did they learn that one from?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 09:36 | 4762242 SamAdams
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They all look the same to Morgan Freeman and me too!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:02 | 4761671 darkpool2
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Not so. It simply represented an inability to distinguish what belonged to mainland Chinese business interests and what belonged to others. Korean businesses were also attacked. Bit of xenophobia mixed in with lack of knowledge. This was mob rule, pure and simple..

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 02:22 | 4761721 prains
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seems pretty arbitrary to be described "as Chinese". Kinda like being described "as Missourian", what's the tell tale sign that clearly distinguishes them "as Chinese"?....unable to pronounce their 'r's?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 04:37 | 4761795 fockewulf190
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Besides having an accent if they spoke Vietnamese at all, Chinese, as well as South Koreans, just look different. I would bet that anyone working in Vietnam from Singapore was probably also of Chinese decent.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:06 | 4761822 negative rates
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Live by the sword, die by the sword, or pen in your case.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:26 | 4761901 hero HNL
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But there are many kinds of mainlanders. In the old days, most were anti-communists & anti-Taiwanese. Today, many pro-mainland Taiwanese collude with the communists to set up factories throughout Asia...usually making money by exploiting cheap labor & making them work like slaves.


That's why Vietnamese are angry. You see the same reaction throughout Asia.


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 11:54 | 4762800 Peanut Butter E...
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Taiwanese are not Chinese if you ask any tawainese and they will let you know they aren't Chinese

Also Largest minority in Vietnam is of Chinese descendent.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:55 | 4761596 potato
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Based on all the liveleak videos, the Chinese have a very high propensity to mind their own business. They will never help you if you are getting assaulted, hit by a car, run over by a scooter, et cetera. The culture is one of not getting involved. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:00 | 4761603 BrosephStiglitz
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Until the simmering public sentiment hits a boil, the dam breaks and they are like the Zerg.  A billion pissed off citizens swarming like locusts.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:26 | 4762006 SylphGlitch
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I had to give you +1 for the Zerg reference.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:15 | 4761624 Handful of Dust
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potato is correct! When I was in Shenzhen with a Buddy two years ago some Chinese Thugs were bothering a young Chinese female tourist [obviously well-to-do by the way she was dressed] on the main street and NO ONE did squat. when they tried to grab her purse we could not stand by and do nothing so we jumped in and [luckily] they ran away.


It's an odd culture. Except for rare instances [Kitty Genovese comes to mind] most Americans would help someone in trouble [I like to think anyway]. No matter how f*cked our Western culture gets, I hope we never lose that.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:31 | 4761904 hero HNL
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In china, there's too many people & sometimes you get sick of looking at others.


Even in US, some people have that kind of attitude. In NYC, people don't bother much when they see dead people on the streets....even in Philly. Too many people die in the streets. Ask any social worker.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:59 | 4761602 Harbanger
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Those refugees were running from Communist Chinas Peoples liberation Army.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:21 | 4761632 Snidley Whipsnae
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None of the Asians like each other.

When I was living in Japan the Japanese hated the Koreans and the Chinese...

Americans generally don't understand how homophobic the Asians are ... America is a melting pot.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:34 | 4761648 the grateful un...
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japanese dislike everybody especially americans (verrrily larhge penus)

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:09 | 4761676 CheapBastard
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Since Korea was conquered and controlled by the Japanese from about 1910 to 1945, there is good reason most Koreans have strong feelings about Japan:


and here:

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:08 | 4761969 hero HNL
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I hate to say this but your columbia web page is mostly propaganda. Here are some. You can visit Japanese sites on the web for more info.

--Colonial korea prospered under Japanese aid & technology. It was modeled after Taiwan. It was harsh but normal in Asian country of those days.


--Some Koreans worked in factories during the war but not a lot. Some were forced but not all. Working conditions were same as Japanese.


--Koreans were considered as Japanese. Many applied to join Imperial Army, but acceptance rate was about 2%. Korean quality was too low for military & they cannot be trusted for duty unlike the Taiwanese.


--Some comfort women were forced but most were ordinary prostitutes. Prostitution was legal & they were well paid. Business transaction records exist to this day. The prostitution system remained in Korea serving the US military until the mid-1980's...usually to earn hard currency the fastest way. USD was king in those days.


--Koreans were pressured to adopt Japanese names & customs if they wanted to go Japanese schools or go there. There were korean schools too & their culture was preserved. Also, korean newspapers existed before the war. See them on the web.


--There's a korean professor who came out to speak against propaganda & risking his life. He mentions how koreans were eager to be members of the Japanese Empire & most supported the Japanese war effort. Only after the war did they try to re-write history & pretend to be part of the Allies....mostly to enjoy the benefits of becoming a member of the vicotrious Allies. MacArthur never believed their story & threw them out. According to the professor, it's a funny how koreans would cheer when watching the newsreels in the theatre of the Japanese defeating the Allies in the early part of the war.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:58 | 4761783 AnAnonymous
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None of the Asians like each other.

That is raycist to say that.

The yellow race hating one another? They are ray-cist.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:29 | 4761642 ObamaDepression
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Your friend is right. My spouse came here as one of those boat people. Most Asians don't like the Chinese.


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:02 | 4761670 magnetosphere
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did you really just say that?  do you think the vietcong loved america?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:45 | 4761777 laomei
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Fun fact: most boat people were ethnic chinese

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 05:06 | 4761804 Zero-risk bias
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Not surprising being that the largest ethnicity/nationality is also Chinese.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:08 | 4761752 vato poco
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I (casually, sorta kinda not-really-well) knew a few Viet boat people back in the day. Not gonna pretend they clapsed me to their scrawny little bosoms or let me see anything they didn't want seen, but can eyewitness report the following:

1) Viets do not like chinese. Nobody in Asia does. Chinese would be the most hated folks in all of Asia, if it weren't know...los Japanese.

2) It is physically impossible to outwork or outtough a Viet. It simply cannot be done.

3) Viets are quite nice folks, and very very impressive. Want a sure-fire investment opportunity? Go find an ambitious Vietnamese, and give him $50K to open whatever business he wants to open. Step 3 = profit handsomely

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:37 | 4762029 cro_maat
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vato poco - I will back you up on #2 though I know #3 is valid as well.

I had a friend in Richmond, VA who was Viet (boat person) from the Montagnard region of Vietnam. He grew up with tigers and learned various martial arts at an early age. He was all of 5 foot 4 and 90 pounds soaking wet. When a 6 foot 3 biker started to abuse his sister in a biker bar that we were playing pool in, he jumped over the pool table, kicked him in the solar plexus and delivered a blow to the skull with the butt end of a pool cue. Needless to say the biker was dragged from the scene unconscious and no one came near my friend or his sister the rest of the night :) The whole fight took about 2 seconds.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 04:25 | 4761793 fockewulf190
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I know a Vietnamese women over here in Germany who runs a nail shop. She came from Hanoi. She told me herself. They hate the Chinese with a passion.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 05:53 | 4761815 Thom_333
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At least the Viet seem very patriotically minded. You have to admire the action they immidiately take. Though burning factories owned by Taiwan and South Korea seems at bit extreme. They should get their facts right. Actually they could be well served by making friends with the other nationa around the Chinese rim.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:13 | 4761879 rodonmeguro
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Behind that placid, inscrutable Asian demeanor lies a temper able to boil over into anger at the slightest provocation, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese or Korean.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:05 | 4761745 sessinpo
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BlackChicken    Only wish it were a factory where they make bankers.


I'm sure bankers own the factories in some form or another.

Apparently these protesters didn't get the memo that Jews and bankers control the world. sarc

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:23 | 4761629 CaptainSpaulding
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Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:36 | 4761562 Bindar Dundat
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Best ever!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:22 | 4761690 intric8
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Two wlling gooks and a dinghy full of improvised land mines leftover from the war

Bye bye oil rig

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 02:59 | 4761738 Rakshas
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Not that I have a problem with your premise but I was kinda thinking there's likely a wolf lurking in the depths patiently waiting ......... if you thought Deepwater horizon was a mess...... wait'll this party gets started

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:49 | 4761589 wee-weed up
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"Why can't we all just get a wong?"

No doubt the prostitutes in the area are lamenting...

"Why can't we all just get a dong?"

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:52 | 4761593 wee-weed up
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To which the little pot-bellied Nork leader replies...

"I'll send you a Long Dong!"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 10:54 | 4762606 Georgia_Boy
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Which do you mean, the organ or their unit of currency? (both?)

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:10 | 4761617 Darksky
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Nicely done knukles!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:16 | 4761625 Snidley Whipsnae
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Why can't we all just get a bong?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:32 | 4761646 the grateful un...
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we already have a bong, why can't we get a wok

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:26 | 4761840 BandGap
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And the prostitutes say "go to wok, get a dong".

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:53 | 4762083 Bloody Muppet
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Ho Lee Fuk, Sum Ting Wong.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:06 | 4761748 sessinpo
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knukles       Why can't we all just get a wong?


I'm sorry you don't have one.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:40 | 4761913 shovelhead
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Because 2 wongs never make a wing.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 11:46 | 4762771 Peanut Butter E...
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Can't wait to see the public in China doing the same thing to Vietnamese factories in China and you probably would see they destroy the Taiwanese factory in China as well. This is going as planned by CIA riot force.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:28 | 4761546 The Shootist
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Send in the occupation troops. For the children.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:10 | 4761618 OldPhart
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Not even on the news...they'll have to campaign a bit so those that own our policians know who to vilify.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:55 | 4761667 CrashisOptimistic
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It's getting to the point where it's overt:

"Tuesday’s riots came after several days of demonstrations in Vietnam against what is seen as Chinese encroachment into Vietnamese territory. Over the weekend, protestors rallied outside the Chinese embassy in Hanoi. The protestors were seen as having government support, as previous protests targeting China had been broken up by the authorities."

Jesus Christ.  W T F.

Demonstrations in Vietnam against encroachment of territory.

This is getting overt.  The media just does not dare say it.

Demonstrations against someone trying to steal Vietnam's fucking oil (if there's any there).  No one is demonstrating over a fucking line in the ocean.  THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT HAVING OIL STOLEN.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:34 | 4761549 The_Prisoner
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Has Victoria Nuland been seen distributing cookies to the protestors?

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:45 | 4761581 Ms. Erable
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Nuland was last seen tweeting a selfie showing her holding a sign saying #DrillChinadollDrill!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:28 | 4761640 intric8
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I think that was kudlows selfie

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:39 | 4761568 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Nuland only gives cookies to the children of Nazis. I may be wrong but I doubt there are many native born Nazis in Vietnam.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:24 | 4761693 The_Prisoner
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You are, of course, correct. This job would fall under the auspices of Nuland's Asian Counterpart, Daniel R. Russel, one of the architects of Obama's "Pivot To Asia" policy.

Excerpt from remarks from his swearing in cerimony:

"Mr. Secretary, we have important work and an exciting agenda with Asia in the coming months and years. Now I know that beyond our borders there will always be people who wonder about America’s intentions and our staying power. They want to know if they can continue to rely on the United States to provide the security, the intellectual capital, the technology, the dynamism and the creativity that has underpinned the stability and has driven the extraordinary growth of East Asia over the past seven decades.

The answer is “yes.” And you can count on me, and you can count on your very talented team in the East Asia and Pacific bureau, to help you actively shape and strengthen our presence in Asia, to implement your vision, and to faithfully serve you, serve the President, and serve the nation to the very best of our ability. Thank you all very much."

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:43 | 4761569 Dr. Engali
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Yeah that will teach them. Torch the factories that have nothing to do with the oil dispute and are supplying you jobs. Fucking brilliant. It's nice to see that the idiots who shit where they eat aren't limited to L.A.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:56 | 4761598 potato
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Mob rule; same everywhere. Arm yourselves!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:03 | 4761820 Flux
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Fuck jobs. Fuck Kings.

Burn the fucking buisinesses to the ground. Now, where is your power China? Maybe you'll think twice over invading another country.


More matches are being lit.


Don't fuck with the Vietnamese. They haven't been domesticated by Coke and Pepsi, nor are they likely to anytime soon.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:44 | 4761919 shovelhead
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Very fierce.

Unfortunately, they're not very skilled in searching ownership titles.

Wed, 05/14/2014 - 23:55 | 4761597 Kprime
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Everything that has a beginning has an end
I see the end coming
I see the darkness spreading
I see death

The Matrix Revolutions

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:02 | 4761606 Jack Burton
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I am not up on this issue very much, but I remember many years ago, back in the print newspaper days, reading an article about anti Chinese riots in North Vietnam, some years after the US left the South. This is way old news, but I do remember these riots making international news, as they were very widespread and violent. Now this issue seems to be back in the news. Many years ago Vietnam and China fought a short violent war. I think in the 70's some years after the US pulled out of their war there. Vietnam has a large combat experienced army, and many Soviet and captured US weapons. China was badly beaten in combat, very badly beaten. All that saved them from a total defeat was their larger numbers.

In the present world situation, the US is courting Vietnam as a friend in theri anti China alliances.

Here is also an off topic story I just picked up. The Ukriane war is about to go hot, very hot! "

"Donetsk self-defense forces set an ultimatum for the Kiev military, warning that if troops do not withdraw from block posts in the Donetsk region within 24 hours, they will be taken by force, RIA Novosti reported.

The pro-autonomy militia of Donbass region in eastern Ukraine made the statement on Wednesday.

"If the armored vehicles are not pulled back, the roadblocks of the so-called legitimate authorities are not removed, I will have enough power and means – the commander supported me today – to destroy and burn everything. Reconnaissance and sabotage groups are ready to move and some are steady,” deputy commander of the pro-autonomy militia of Donbass, Sergey Zdrilyuk, told RIA Novosti.

“I give 24 hours for them to withdraw all troops, all forces,” he added."

This story is offical, and these threats would not be made is they could not be lived up to. Kiev is about to get a reality check, because the Russian East is NOT going to live under the US led Kiev coup government and it's large Right Sector element. When Kiev killed all those people in Odessa, they burned their bridges, now the Russian Ukrainian Donbass region is going to burn some bridges. I expect tomorrow's news cycle may switch back to Ukraine. Read the news story, it means business. Right Sector is about to meet some people who are well armed, well motivated and are prepared to expel Kiev stooges from their lands.

Remember too, none of this needed to happen. Look back at events. Chances were thrown away to bring all sides to the table, before viloence broke out. It was the west who refused three way talks. It was the west who funded the nazis in Kiev, and urged them into this fight. If I was a betting man, Ukraines army is in for trouble, and if they try to use air power to crush Donbass, I expect they have a means to defend from that as well.


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:14 | 4761622 OldPhart
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It's juvenile, but every time I see the name 'Donbass' I read it as in Obama's Foreign Policy.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:31 | 4761644 OldPhart
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That ultimatum was issued April 6.  Timing is everything.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:47 | 4761851 Optimusprime
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Contraction for "Donetski bassein" (Donetsk Basin)--huge topographical feature in the lower Don River.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:20 | 4761628 IridiumRebel
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I was wondering about the 48 hour ultimatum. The West is dying in many ways and this is the last gasp before things really get rolling. I just hope Ukraine stays conventional in its war. None of this should be happening. As for Viet Nam and China, well, the world is a tinderbox and I fully expect a few combustions to spark and spread. My wife and I did a verbal "get outta dodge" plan today. Shits getting real.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:36 | 4761650 Snidley Whipsnae
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Jack B...

Both China and VietNam claimed victory in the 1979 war.

China did occupy some northern vietnamese cities for a while before pulling back to China.

"The Chinese entered northern Vietnam and captured some of the bordering cities. On March 6, 1979, China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved. Chinese forces retreated back across the Vietnamese border, into China. Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the 20th century; as Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:02 | 4761672 CrashisOptimistic
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Also Jack B

"Vietnam has a large combat experienced army"

From a war in 1980?  Those guys are 55 yrs old.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:18 | 4761984 Terminus C
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When they fought the Chinese in 1979...

Reading comprehension ftw.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 13:40 | 4763248 Jack Burton
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Thanks Terminus, it was a bit my fault I had meant to use past tense, but you are right, reading comprehension should have made it clear to a reader what was meant. I get that a lot, people looking for a minor point to jump on. Childish really.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 09:06 | 4762129 headhunt
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"Remember too, none of this needed to happen."

All they had to do was give up some of their country because Putin wanted it.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:04 | 4761610 The Chief
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Vietnam, meet CIA. It really doesn't matter if you like them or not, they are there and they will make your country a living hell.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:15 | 4761623 OldPhart
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You can believe Viet Nam is WELL acquainted with the CIA.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:05 | 4761611 Peter Pan
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This could be the new way to get rid of excess capacity.


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:06 | 4761612 christiangustafson
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The Vietnamese earned my respect when they prosecuted Gary Glitter for raping their children.  They don't put up with that shit like their neighbors the passive Thais.  

Bully for them!  Plus, they make a mean bowl of pho.  

May they once again humble the highly overrated Middle Kingdom.  I say give these guys jet-skis and RPGs, and the problem will be solved.


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:08 | 4761613 williambanzai7
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Cambodia, just sayin

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:13 | 4761620 christiangustafson
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"Glitter could have faced execution by firing squad if convicted of child rape."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:23 | 4761635 El Vaquero
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Dude, my mom used to be a teacher, and one of her students was a Cambodian refugee from the Khmer Rouge.  Somewhere, she still has a written account of his family's story of escape from Cambodia.  That was some seriously fucked up shit that he had to go through when he was 5 or 6, like getting dropped off with a bunch of other refugees in the middle of a mine field, and if you know anything about the Khmer Rouge, you know that what he went through was not as bad as what others went through.  He got out with most of his family and all of his appendages intact.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:22 | 4761992 Terminus C
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My inderstanding of the Viet invasion of Cambodia was to stop the crazy fuck Khmer.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:08 | 4761616 progro
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Actually China tried to invade Vietnam after we got our butts kicked. The Chinese ended up getting their butts kicked too.

Tough little buggers these Vietnamese are.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:27 | 4761638 El Vaquero
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We actually could have won that war, but then we would have had another experience with nation building, i.e. an even bigger boondoggle or quagmire.  Nixon was a vile sonofabitch, but at least he didn't go for total surrender.  And fuck LBJ.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:25 | 4762002 Leraconteur
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50kms wide country with an ocean and mountains containing any invasion is why Vietnam wins.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:50 | 4762076 headhunt
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Very true but this is a much different China today.

It would not be pretty.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:18 | 4761626 El Vaquero
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Wait, wait, wait, you mean to tell me that there are riots, oil is involved and no evidence that the CIA or the US state department has had a hand in this has thus far surfaced? 


*Sits back and waits*

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:18 | 4761684 OldPhart
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*has 'Tragedy and Hope' bookmarked...sits next to you and begins reading during the wait*

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:20 | 4761627 kianator
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Vietnam is a big time authoritarian state.  Mass demonstartions are usually not allowed.  You just do not go on the rampage and riot in Vietnam unless the government sanctions it!  


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:14 | 4761882 hero HNL
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Even in china...but worse.


Demonstrations can happen if party officials allow it....or else the para-military police or the hoodlums hired by the authorities will appear in no time.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:22 | 4761634 shinobi-7
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"Chinese media outlets have been ordered not to report on the riots, according to China Digital Times."

This is factually not true. In fact, the reports in China are more detailed than elsewhere.

Here's an example in English:

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:30 | 4761643 the grateful un...
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nothing in China is factually true

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:18 | 4761687 OldPhart
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nor the US...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:23 | 4761691 El Vaquero
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If you really want to fool the vast majority, you have to mix a few facts in with your fictions.  So, is China like the US, but with 4x the population, or are there a shitload (per-capita) who are awake?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:25 | 4761637 the grateful un...
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good time to buy into Vietnam, blood in the streets and all

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:50 | 4761662 intric8
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This is what happens when you have a punk country going around the world provoking shit everywhere.

The u.s. bullies its way into ukraine over interests of gas, loan sharking and placing family members of politicians in high positions among the local elite. right in russias back yard no less. Russia tries its best to play it straight. not content with its current power tripping endeavor, and over its shoulder, the u.s. barks out threats to china to stay out of the south china sea or face consequences. Tell me how other superpowers wont eventually get fucking sick of that bravado. America has now enveigled china and russia to embark on their own resource grabs. Can we blame em? America shoots itself in the foot while it tries to show off its big shiny gun. no one is impressed.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:43 | 4761849 Wahooo
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The whole damn world's going Albuquerque.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 00:57 | 4761668 user2011
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Dumb shit vs Dumb shit.

Now, factories are moving out of China and Vietnam because they are just barbarians.    Most like they will move to India, Indonesia and other USSA friendly countries.  

Both Communists lose.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:18 | 4761681 syntaxterror
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Imagine if China started installing drilling rigs in O-bomb-ia. The free shit army wouldn't be bothered except to whine for more free shit. Not a peep from the sheep.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 01:26 | 4761694 OldPhart
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Little B.O. peep

has lost his sheep

and cannot define them.

Leave them alone,

Or they'll come home

Kicking your ass before them.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:39 | 4761774 Grouchy Marx
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China is buying US farmland. Little difference. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 06:08 | 4761825 negative rates
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Good, go back to sleep but don't weep.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:13 | 4761975 headhunt
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The free shit peeps would be fine with it as long as they get a free shit cut - they don't want it all they just want to stick their beak in it - just a taste and then they are good with being cattle

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 02:45 | 4761729 kanoli
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Yeah, burning down 15 factories in your own country is really going to hurt China...  Congrats on creating 100,00 newly unemployed Vietnamese people.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:00 | 4761742 jubber
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However dumb it is to burn down the factories that you are employed in, I have to admire the Vietminese for actually doing something whether it is stupid or not, the Chinese only moved in at the weekend and already the rioting has got out of hand.

Now look at the US...nothing. Absolutely nothing after nearly six years of this Banking scum and Government shitting on their OWN people...Europe slightly better at least Greece had a go a couple of years back, and a few protests in Spain, but now it appears they have thrown int the towel...and let themselves be ground into submission.

Good luck Vietnam , the US and Europe have just rolled over and given in without a fight.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:37 | 4761773 Grouchy Marx
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The difficulty is getting people off the couch. Now if there only was a remote with a riot button, we might be able to effect some changes.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:01 | 4761743 Schmuck Raker
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Shit! I'll take take "descibed as Chinese" over "dead" anyday.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:08 | 4761750 q99x2
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This generation will by no means pass away.

How weird that all the WWII vets are passing away at the beginning of WWIII.

Rothschild's and Koch's enemies of God.

We will come rejoicing bringing in the thieves.

Bringin in the theives. Bringin in the theives...Live like an animal die like a vegetable. Watch out for ghosts.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:47 | 4761778 ecoguitar
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they are 2 types of Chinese. mainlander and others (HK/Taiwan/Singapore/others). both are very different kind. I know becuase I belong to the latter. 



Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:09 | 4761874 hero HNL
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The latter group is civilized & loved by everyone like Taiwanese..... Mainlanders are something like, looking at your car:


"Nice car....from today, that's mine".

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:22 | 4761995 Leraconteur
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I have encountered my share of racist, greedy non-Mainland Chinese, so some traits don't come out in the wash.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 03:49 | 4761779 pachanguero
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I was Just in Na Trang Vietnam last week.  I live in Thailand and went with my thai girlfriend.  The locals all said that they want to be friends with us and their fear was China.  NWO propaganda everywhere, Green party NGO groups.  I saw some  sexy, hot women too!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:06 | 4761873 hero HNL
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Most people don't know...Vietnamese women are one of the most beautiful in Asia.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:10 | 4761877 ParkAveFlasher
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Me no suckyfucky.  You too bookoo.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 04:00 | 4761785 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' working their way up. It will take time but the vice is tightening.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:02 | 4761868 hero HNL
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Next, Vietnam will kick out ethnic chinese from the country & you'll get the Boat People problem of the 70's again....


chinese complain about the Vietnamese but they have a memory so short of what they did to Japanese shops/factories in china over the Senkaku Island dispute awhile back.


Chinese got what they deserved.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:05 | 4761872 hero HNL
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See youtube videos about South China Sea Disputes & read the comments from other Asians. You'll notice how much the chinese are hated in Asia.


I don't know about in US/EU though.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 07:57 | 4761948 shovelhead
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I'm not sure I'm comfortable with China usurping our role as Running Dog Imperialists.

We've EARNED our stripes.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:01 | 4761955 john milton
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I see BANG-DAE HO's rising

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:05 | 4761962 orangegeek
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Look everyone.  CIA has a Vietnamese payroll.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:22 | 4761994 22winmag
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The Chinese must be taking jobs Vietnamese won't do.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:32 | 4762022 Leraconteur
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Chinese are disliked all over Asia. In Malaysia, Indonesia, they take the majority of business and trading positions. Were killed for it in riots many times. Koreans and Japanese don't like them (any variant), and Mainlanders are reviled in European tourist destinations, and all over Asia as they flex their muscles.

I warned people that "...if you think the AMERICANS are ill-behaved and violent on the geopolitical stage, just wait until the CHINESE show up...".

Well, here they are. They are going to take what they want, they don't care what others say, and they are far less diplomatic than the Americans. In fact they do not appear to be diplomatic, at all. "Mine!". <grabs it>

"May others pay an impossible price."

Welcome to The Chinese Century. It is going to suck.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:17 | 4770738 The Shodge
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So many Chinese behave like pigs in so many ways. Like nobody raised them when they were young: eating like pigs including open mouth, sounds and ketchup behind the ears, being loud in public, jumping queues, stinking and misbehaving in airplanes or other public environments etc. Americans could maybe (MAYBE) compete in the category 'being loud', but in the other pig categories even the worst American tourist would not stand a chance against the outstanding anti-social performance of the average Chinese traveller...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 08:50 | 4762074 Bloody Muppet
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Windows! WIndows ... broken ... EVERYWHERE!



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:08 | 4770939 supermaxedout
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The thing is, that the US and UK made rules defining the  so called 200 miles economic zone (which became later UN regulations) are not clear at all. In this case the Chinese have islands close by to the rig the Paracels Islands which do in principle have also a 200 economic zone around its waters.

The Japanese claim concerning the Senkaku Islands which are close to Taiwan is also very weak.  In both cases it is the US and the US based oil companies which are behind both disputes.   The only thing what is needed is an agreement in South East Asia how to divide the resources among the countries over there. The US has no business there. The front against China is weak because the other countries do exactly know, that they will not get much from this oil anyhow. The US companies would pay only marginal for these rights and payment would be only in new printed Dollars. The Chinese would offer much better deals in the present situation to outbid the US. But the US is not giving their consent to such deals.

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