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Don't Blame "Boomers" For Not Retiring

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Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:28 | 4763453 Slave
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Nobody can afford anything - Progress!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:36 | 4763474 Major Major Major
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You must not have heard about the 125% LTV re-tire-ment plan.  Just buy a $25 million house.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:54 | 4763564 aVileRat
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It's ok, everyone buy a GM and go look at all those clothes horses at Cannes this weekend.

No seriously: Boomers spent 50 years of growth and are now zero ROE for 2007 highs, ex-non core inflation, ex-consumption implies they will never retire. Which if we use the sliderule of Japan when another "exceptional" generation did not want to get off the top of the food chain, the succession & wealth transition effect plumbing backed up.

Now with the exception of fast money billionares, how many top 30 under 30 have made something totally disruptive. Now top 40 under 40. Still nothing ? Now top 50 under 50.

Starting to see the problem ?

Hint, it's not because there is a lack of ideas outside snapchat & facebook. Warped investment incentives, limited seed capital & warped investment gimmicks are preventing new labour from joining the workforce which in turn prevents new ideas & products from developing or being spun out into growth co's.

While I was anti-junk bond for a long time, starting to come around to the Milken/Drexel point of view that the only way to get rid of this debt burden is not to pretend the Fed can save the world, but to admit that 90% of AA+ is dog crap, and let it float at the real rate, which is C+

Carveouts and entitlement restructuring if not the key theme of the 2018, it should be. starting this election round.

Or whatever: did you see Kim and Kanye get a tax break for hosting their wedding and employing local TV crews ? Awesome.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:07 | 4763614 boogerbently
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Spoiled little whiners.

Whine if we retire, whine if we don't retire.

"Boomers spent 50 years of growth"

If that's true, YOU are to blame for the DEBT incurred over the last 6 years !

Are you accepting that blame......moron?


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:09 | 4763619 Headbanger
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Ever hear of the U.S. Government?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:12 | 4763630 boogerbently
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It must be a NEW institution, not around for the last 45 years I've been working, huh?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:52 | 4763783 dontgoforit
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I'll be 64 in a couple of months.  If I were to quit working we would have to go live in the woods or under a bridge.  I don't blame anyone for it.  But it's true.  We would not be able to make it if I quit working.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:08 | 4764497 Anusocracy
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The problem for the last 225 years has been the ever-growing, over reaching,crime syndicate government.

The baby boomers were no more careless or short-sighted than any previous generation.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:30 | 4764348 sessinpo
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 boogerbently      "Boomers spent 50 years of growth"

If that's true, YOU are to blame for the DEBT incurred over the last 6 years !

Are you accepting that blame......moron?

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I believe boomers were a part of the last 6 years, and are still a dominant voting block. Moron?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:20 | 4772280 boogerbently
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Yet, you delude yourself with the belief that Soc. Sec. will, or should, go away.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:15 | 4764095 daveO
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Debt slaves don't retire.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:28 | 4763454 yrbmegr
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We need to eliminate the tax advantage capital enjoys in this country relative to lablr.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:54 | 4764024 DerdyBulls
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In the US, most "lablr" don't pay income taxes. Neither do the parasites. Tax advantages of capital... Hmmm, I need to check with my accountant about that one.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:56 | 4764030 DerdyBulls
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Oh, and company's don't pay taxes. They collect them for our overlords and pass the expense on to consumers.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:29 | 4763458 Dumpster Fire
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long cat food then

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:35 | 4763475 GubbermintWorker
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Nah, I feed our cats canned tuna, sold for human consumption. Its actually cheaper than canned cat food?!?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:43 | 4763514 NotApplicable
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So do I. We supplement dry food with a can split between 3 dogs and 4 cats to ensure they're getting something along the lines of real food.

Otherwise, obesity and diabetes becomes a problem as they starve nutritionally.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:48 | 4763536 Zirpedge
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Cat food is fit for human consumption. It's the dog food that is rancid meat full of prions.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:07 | 4763610 the not so migh...
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long cat as food then

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:31 | 4763462 CrashisOptimistic
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In the article, I had a problem with this:

 

"It is ultimately fiscal policy that will help business create employment"

How sad is that?



Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:43 | 4763513 I Write Code
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It's dazed and confused.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:43 | 4763740 Schmuck Raker
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Let's reword it:

"It is ultimately fiscal policy that will hinder business in creating employment"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:45 | 4763752 Jaspergers
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Those are some pretty gorgeous chart formations though....mmm....yeah.....TfnA

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:33 | 4763470 GubbermintWorker
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Fuck that, I'm retiring at the age of 62.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:37 | 4763482 bnbdnb
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"In the meantime, stop blaming "baby boomers" for not retiring - they simply can't afford to."

I will blame them all day. Who needs brand new cars every two years, two cruises a year, two extra vacations a year, a yacht, a motorcycle, four college educated children and no life savings? Oh thats right, I'm talking about you dumb baby boomers.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:45 | 4763522 GooseShtepping Moron
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I will not only blame baby boomers for not retiring, I will blame them for a great many other things besides. Probably more destruction has been wrought by that generation than any other, which will only become apparent as their numbers and influence start to wane. In another 5 years or so, when the boomers no longer exert their wealth-creating and wealth-absorbing effect (probably about the same time Mick Jagger finally croaks), we'll see just what kind of world we're living in, and it will not be pretty.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:16 | 4764281 daveO
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5 yrs of is optimistic. They'll be around longer and take the country down with them.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4764748 MeBizarro
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Yup. Boomers really took over in '92 politically for the first time and just look at what the two parties combined have past and implemented the past 20+ years.  There are a few positives including welfare reform in '97 but on the whole these bastards have spent like drunkards, greatly expanded retirement benefits (MMA Act of 2003 which remains the most expensive piece of legislation since Medicare in '65) implemented tax policy which didn't remotely pay for expenditures, 'financialized the economy,' cut investment in infrastructure as a % of GDP in a massive way at the federal level, and fought 2 massive and extended wars for the first time in American history without raising taxes or war bonds to fund them. 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:06 | 4763609 corporatewhore
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Actually, we should be praised in keeping this economy going although we did it through the use of debt and the sense that we couldn't take it with us.

As an alternative, would you have preferred our generation to have lived Woodstock rather than outgrow it?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:10 | 4763621 GooseShtepping Moron
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You did live Woodstock and never outgrew it. That's the whole damn point.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:18 | 4763650 corporatewhore
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We sold ourselves out to our corporate-fascist state so that sniveling little snots could complain about us once we got old.  Please take your cellphones and shove them up your fucking ass.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:42 | 4763735 blackholes
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You definitely sold yourselves out.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:58 | 4763747 GooseShtepping Moron
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I don't use a cellphone--never have. I'm not on Facebook either.

As I said below, I've been taking care of my boomer mother since I was 19. I was also busy shuffling my boomer father in and out of hospitals and rehab centers for his alcoholism, until he decided to leave and live the life of a homeless man. I paid off the debt, helped my sister to get married, moved my mother out of the ghetto, and finally convinced her to give up the drinking, the drugs, and the sleazy boyfriends.

So save your opprobrium for yourself. It was not my fault you sold out. The boomers had plenty of opportunity to make the country a better place and instead they wasted it all. Your righteous indignation will ring hollow from now until the end of time.

And before you go blaming the younger generation for their faults, just remember whose job it was supposed to be to raise them and teach them.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:01 | 4763824 spooz
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Gotta appreciate how well the divide and conquer tactics serve the powers that be.  I raised my kids very well, and none of the still clinging to their middle class identity relatives, friends and neighbors suffered the kinds of problems your family has.  And we are all disappointed that our kids are having such a hard time finding living wage jobs.  Many of us had children to give meaning to our lives, and thinking that they will struggle for survival after we die makes the whole thing feel hollow.  

Sorry you were raised by people who weren't fit to be parents, but your experiences are not like the majority of those who call themselves middle class.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:14 | 4763886 GooseShtepping Moron
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Spooz,

I did not mean to imply that my experiences are universal, nor that I am some kind of hero. I went pretty far down the wrong track myself in my youth; considering the environment I was in, it was almost inevitable. When I realized my family needed to change, I had to grow up real quick and make momentous decisions I was not quite prepared to make. In consequence I have develpoed a personality that is unwilling to suffer fools gladly. Please accept my peace offering, for what it's worth.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:48 | 4763996 Cathartes Aura
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that which doesn't kill you. . . cliche'd but often true.

however, tarring whole age groups with the same brush is just lazy/ignorant, and feeds the system that has everyone pressed under elite thumbs.

I for one appreciated your telling a more honest tale of parental slacking - both of them - rather than going with the whining lies that it's the "single parenting" wot killed this Great Nation. . .

taking personal responsibility is a strength.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:31 | 4763959 Harbanger
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Romans 5:3

And we are also happy with the troubles we have. Why are we happy with troubles? Because we know that these troubles make us more patient. And this patience is proof that we are strong. And this proof gives us hope. And this hope will never disappoint us. We know this because God has poured out his love to fill our hearts through the Holy Spirit he gave us.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:58 | 4764040 Rubbish
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WTG Goosey, I applaud the road you took.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:18 | 4764290 daveO
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Immature is the word. I'm related to a 60 yr old 'child', a clueless child who thinks the sun rises and sets in Obama's...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:47 | 4764138 Slave
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The boomers sucked, voted, and smoked all the money out of this country and gave it to China and the oligarchs. Their legacy is one of debt and delinquency. Look at the children they left behind. Look at the government they left behind. Look at the debt they left behind. The next generations are even worse. I'm not even 30 years old. I'm disgusted at the world I was born into. The boomers quite possibly lived during the height of prosperity, totally oblivious to the fact that it was completely charged on the credit card and unsustainable. And after they're all dead, we'll be left to pick up the pieces. We need to be honest about the problem: the boomers lived well so that we couldn't.

Enjoy the neverending depression.

EDIT: Here's an idea, motherfuckers, instead of downvoting you respond and tell me where I'm wrong? My insurance that I don't even use costs a fuckton of money just to pay for your old dying ass. You should be paying for that too, but no, you kick it to us. I won't ever get back any of the money I put into the socialist ponzi systems you are enjoying the benefits of. My generation gets paid nothing because your unions sucked it all dry. Tell me where I'm wrong. Or can you not?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4764332 daveO
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They were born at the most prosperous time. The TV completely brainwashed them or, at least, 90% of the ones I'm related to. Then, to cap it off, Nixon removed the Gold standard. This allowed wave after wave of debt to be created. TV then encouraged them to constantly go into more debt. When the ME generation dies, their debt will (is) be papered over with inflation.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:44 | 4764389 Bear
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Hey Slave ... do you know what 'Sense of Entitlement' means? Just because you're Slave doesn't mean that you need to think like one.

If you think you got such a raw deal being born into the US and it's crappy society ... you could always move to Nigeria

I was born poor and didn't even know it until I got to High School, but what I did know was that I could go whatever by brains, personality, and ingenuity could take me ... there was no limit. I worked very hard for a very long time and succeeded in putting away a chunk of change.

Each generation is responsible for the next and I will leave all of my children a legacy of a free college education, thrift and hard work ... and oh, money too.

I am afraid that unless you rethink your approach to life you may leave a legacy of bitterness, resentment, and entitlement to yours.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:56 | 4764681 Slave
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You might want to reread my post instead of reading into it. I'm not entitled to a fucking thing, and I don't want to be. What I don't like is being born a debt slave. To deny the part the boomers played in that is to deny history.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:08 | 4763617 Totentänzerlied
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I like the analogy of yeast in a vat full of sugar. The boomers are the yeast, the vat is postwar America up to the 70s, and the sugar is oil (or it's proxy, US dollars as world reserve currency).

In both cases, all the rest is a fait accompli.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:31 | 4764591 GubbermintWorker
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I didn't do all that and is why I'm able to retire at 62 :P

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:09 | 4763491 Cthonic
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 'While the Fed has inflated asset prices to the satisfaction of Wall Street, as shown in the first table above, it has done little for the middle class.'  It has also kicked the lower class square in the nuts, though it is impolite to bring these externalities up without first plowing the good doctor with her favorite aperitif ~ plasma des enfants, tiers-monde.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:41 | 4763505 I Write Code
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It's not so much "can't afford" as "don't dare".

Don't know where prices are going.  Don't know when SSN will be cut.  Don't know when Medicare will be rationed and you'll need gold to bribe someone for care.  Don't know when QE will crash the economy and bread goes to a million dollars a loaf.  Don't know when Vietnam will attach China or Korea will attack Japan or Iran will attack Israel or an unidentified nuke goes off in NYC.

Also - a lot of boomers are reaching age 65 in pretty danged good physical shape, and have all their lives held jobs that don't involve any heavy lifting anyway, so why stop now?  Likely to live another twenty years, may need more money from now to pay the nurses then.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:11 | 4763626 okyoureabeast
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I wouldn't worry too much about hyperinflation occuring. If such a scenario occurs, the fed would force the TBTF banks to start buying back those toxic MBS and other treasury items to suck up the liquidity as fast as possible.

Hyperinflation would destroy the country. That's something the deep state doesn't want to occur. However, such an event would make all of the outstanding debt impossible to pay as deflation would be rampant. Housing prices would plummet, taxes will fall, etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised at that point if the government decides to eliminate social security and other welfare programs to avoid the nightmare of defaulting. 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:10 | 4763863 I Write Code
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In (hyper)inflation prices don't plummet.

And the "deep state" already f'd up bigtime in 2008, next time the fire.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:29 | 4764344 daveO
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HI is caused by foreigners abandoning a currency. Bankers wouldn't have too much control. Petro Dollar status is the key.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:44 | 4763517 Zirpedge
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I mostly blame the Boomers for their undue sense of entitlement (being the offspring of the "greatest generation") the boomers bought into American exceptionalism and still believe that we are #1 and not only capable of being the world police, but that we have the moral authority to do so. The Boomers are the worst generation, and being worse than Gen X and the brainwashed drugged up youth today, really means something. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:48 | 4763538 waterhorse
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Where did they get the sense of entitlement from?  Spoon-fed to them daily by the "greatest generation."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:56 | 4763577 Rockfish
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The only generation spoonfed is the latest couple Maybe if you Youngsters get the hell off your little electronic games and sitting from the boob tube and maybe it would do something. A bunch of crybabies

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:58 | 4763585 Rockfish
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Thanks for the down arrow at least your not playing a video game

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:20 | 4763658 Totentänzerlied
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Yes it was the FDR administration(s) that really got the ball rolling. At best, apologists can say the following generation was simply too cosmically incompetent, stupid, ignorant, inept, credulous, and last but not least naive to halt and then reverse and then eliminate the (progression of) the debt, welfare state, warfare state, MIC, surveillance state, etc., etc., etc., which isn't much better of a generational legacy than the (most obvious) alternative - the whole thing proceded according to a plan, with malice aforethought. In reality it was probably a mix of, say, 80% negligence (80% willful, 20% accidental) and 20% (criminal) intent. Which is plenty to establish culpability, for me.

[Victims of their own chance success, such a sad, sad story... /sarc]

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:21 | 4763659 ebear
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"I mostly blame the Boomers for their undue sense of entitlement"

 

Oh, that's really rich.  Expecting to receive something for paying in most of your working life is "entitlement" whereas just showing up and expecting free "bling" is not?

Young people by definition are fuck-ups, but today's crop take it to a whole new level.  Frankly, I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't covered in tatoos and piercings, yapping on their cells 24/7 to their myriad "friends" who swarm the malls and fast food joints of the nation.   A modern day Cargo Cult if ever there was one.

Of course I may be overstating things, but then who doesn't these days?

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:20 | 4763924 Postal
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Expecting to receive something for paying in most of your working life...

So now it's my responsibility to bail out your Ponzi scheme?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:02 | 4764051 roadhazard
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Funny, I didn't think that when I was supporting YOUR grandfather/father. Fuck all you bunch of tattooed, limp wristed whiners.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:44 | 4764165 Postal
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1. I don't have tattoos or any other body modifications.

2. I'm not the one whining about how I'm owed something. I certainly don't expect to ever see a dime from the Ponzi. Hell, I'll be doing good just to keep entitled old farts like you from voting for people who will take my land, steal my gold, rape my women, and shoot my dog. So far, it's not going well.

3. What you did or didn't do on behalf of my forefathers is irrelevant: If you were stupid enough to believe the politicians for whom you voted, that's your own damn fault. You should have been responsible enough to keep them in line. Now we can't help you: My generation has nothing left to take.

4. My right wrist is not nearly as limp as my left...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:01 | 4764218 Zirpedge
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@RoadHazard

The above comment is as worthless as the entire boomer generation's contributions to the US. Thank you for summing that up for us.

I have a charts for the "Tylers" consideration..http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_... observe public debt from the 70's onward (Boomers comming of voting age and ultimately "Reagonomic's".

The worthless pile of bull above probably thinks Reagan was a conservative. He was a liberal, sorry all Neocons since Reagan. Fox News is not conservative either, nor is the "Grass Roots" Tea Party being steam rolled by the Koch's and Adelsons of the world. 

Democracy has been subverted by a consolidated media that happened during the Boomers watch. You were too busy feeling good about yourselves, for no damn good reason. The only media left is AP and Reuters and both are run by British Intelligence.

2016 Hillary will likely beat Neocon Rand Paul, but it doesn't matter because we all lost a long time ago.

Don't forget to thank a boomer for corporate fascism and their "new worlder" hero's.  

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:49 | 4765527 ebear
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"You were too busy feeling good about yourselves, for no damn good reason."

Most of the boomers I knew were too busy trying to avoid the draft to worry about feeling good.  You felt good if you came back alive in one piece.

Of course the women were busy feeling good because that's when the pill showed up, so there's that.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:45 | 4764168 Zirpedge
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@ebear

Go back and reflect on the contributions of the boomer generation and get back to me. You are in denial and that denial is the prevailing characteristic of your generation. Every negative aspect you could mention about our contemporary Distopia happened on your watch. You were too busy squandering the potential your parents left for you to think about the future you left for us.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:44 | 4764390 daveO
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I was a kid when cheap Japanese and Taiwanese imports started flooding the country. I remember the old timers who were born before, and fought during, WW2 declaring it would ruin the nation. Luckily, they're dead now and won't see have to see it come to pass. 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:40 | 4765509 ebear
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"You are in denial"

Not at all.  I just like poking people with a stick - especially self-righteous people.  It's easy and it's fun!

"Of course I may be overstating things..."

(that was what they call a "clue")


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:45 | 4763998 EINSILVERGUY
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People need to understand that the boomers are not monolithic.  Its a 18 year spana and the boomers at the tail end (im one of them) is n't the same as the boomers who were born before 1960.  Im just a screwed as anytone else and I was raised and embrace the frugal nature of my parents who were children during WWII.  While the older boomers squandered the ruits of the WWII those of us in our early 50's reject their hedonistic and self serving narcissism.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:53 | 4764021 Cathartes Aura
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dude, aren't you GenX?

you skipped the queue.

happy now?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:51 | 4764193 waterhorse
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You sure he's not "Generation Jones?"  Can't believe I'm asking THAT.  Ugh, buying into the media memes.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:44 | 4763521 ATG
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Disenfranchised, homeless, unemployed middle class boomers headed to DC to hold them accountable for their oaths of office:

http://bit.ly/QN2u3Z

 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:49 | 4763541 astitchintime
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TPTB really need the generational hatred thing to accomplish their final goal - the total destruction of the concept of family.

Please, for all our sakes, don't be their willing tool and allow them to reach their goal.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:55 | 4763573 GooseShtepping Moron
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I've been looking after my boomer mother since I was 19, thank you very much. And I will be for the rest of her life.

I will never abandon my family, but in my case familiarity with the boomers' lifelong habit of poor decision making has certainly bred contempt.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:23 | 4763669 Totentänzerlied
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"lifelong habit of poor decision making"

Guuuuuh, hey, man, it's, like, a way of life, maaaan.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:09 | 4764078 813kml
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I think most Boomers will be in for a big surprise when the SHTF.

My parents are both retired and completely uninterested in current affairs, they think watching the hack reporting of NBC Nightly News is more than enough.  After much nagging, I finally got my mother to invest in some silver a couple weeks ago.  She's still skeptical, but will soon forget she even bought it.

I advised my aunt to buy some physical last week and she looked at me like I was nuts.  I don't like her much anyway, there will be a little bit of schadenfreude when she loses most of her assets.  Her husband isn't much better, he's a patriotic Republican and proud retiree of the VA and busy dealing with his third bout of cancer.  He's also completely aware that it was probably caused by his dropping of Agent Orange in Vietnam since he gets a monthly check from the Agent Orange Settlement Fund.  His two children suffer from birth defects.

This is all completely anecdotal, but I'm fed up with dealing with my Boomer relatives.  If the rest of the Boomers are anything like the ones I know, there's going to be a lot of dead weight.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:47 | 4764179 ian807
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This doesn't have anything to do with what generation you were born in. Some people are just gullible. At 56, I have water purification equipment, solar panels and batteries in place, lots of 12 volt light and coolers, stored meds and trade goods like tobacco and alchohol.

The next economic downturn breaks the majority of the hydrocarbon energy distribution system, permanently. There will still be oil and gas, but not in enough quantities to continue our current level of industrial activity. When that system breaks, so do world's interdependent web of supply chains. Without cheap transportation fuel, you can kiss that scale of industrial trade good bye too.

Why do you think central banks will do *anything* to keep economic activity above the threshold needed to keep the oil companies afloat? They're only somewhat delusional. They know what's going to happen if we have a serious, worldwide, prolonged depression.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:28 | 4764565 Wild tree
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Ian,

Words spoken are truth. What most don't understand is that when the "downturn breaks the majority of the hydrocarbon energy distibution system", they don't correlate that with the breakdown of farming as our agribusiness will no longer be able to afford $20 diesel to run those big industrial machines. While the tech is good to have, water comes first, then food. Store rice, pasta, beans and bullion cubes to flavor as basics. Anything else eill help to break the monotony. Carbs is what gives you the strength to farm an "Liberty garden", and to fight off the mean two legged dogs that will flood from the cities. The elete wants to see us fight amongst ourselves, so they can skate as they always have done. Military surplus boxes with a rubber seal and locks every three inchess will keep rice/pasta for fifteen years in an uncooled garage. Speaking from personal experience, Y2K being the

incentive to explore that concept.

Finally, our Middle Class is an aberration in history. Our Bill of Rights and the Constitution, gave rise to the middle class in our country which represented Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In the past, it was always the serfs and the nobility. I can see that we are reverting to the mean. Keep family strong, turn off the boob tube, and don't foget to nourish the spirit. Remember, "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate drops to zero". That is why truth reigns supreme.

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He That searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.
                                                                  Romans Chapter 8, 26-28

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764428 daveO
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You can't blame them entirely. There are 2 things that DC has done to them. Most don't even know it. 1)The removal of the gold standard, allowing tons of debt to be created. 2)No Fault Divorces. Nearly every Boomer is either in debt and/or divorced. They have been played like a fiddle.  

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:22 | 4763663 Telemakhos
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Generations do exhibit different tendencies, but I'm more interested in what you say about family.  Before Social Security, families were often multigenerational and people expected children to look after their aged parents.  Liberi parentes aut alant aut vinciantur.  That puts the children, when they reach adulthood, in the productive, income-earning role, and it also takes the pain out of retirement planning beyond having children and passing your savings on to them to manage and grow.  A multigenerational home also spends less on housing and other expenses that efficiency of scale can palliate, and it benefits from having more adults available to oversee and raise the children (no child care expenses).  There's economic sense in an extended family living together; I wonder why our current values so radically oppose the idea and favor instead small, independent atomic families that live more wastefully.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:30 | 4763692 Totentänzerlied
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"people expected children to look after their aged parents"

The Irish perfected this.

Also, "people" expected the elderly to remain as productive as possible until their death (unless they were aristocratic, in which case being productive was a sin in general, of course). Namely, in the role of child rearing and education, and performing domestic chores.

" I wonder why our current values so radically oppose the idea and favor instead small, independent atomic families that live more wastefully."

You answered your own question. More households = more consumption = more debt. The knock-on social benefits such as latch-key kids being raised by the state and the elderly being largely or entirely unproductive and alienated from society, fear not, have been successfully exploited and monetized too.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:56 | 4764037 Cathartes Aura
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whoa, careful now.

next you'll be pointing out the whole sociology gender role theory.

culture is a construct, and we know who benefits.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:57 | 4764440 daveO
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Medicare for old folks. Moving expense tax deductions for working folks. WIC and Medicaid for single moms/children. DC has worked over time to bust up the family.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:52 | 4763551 Totentänzerlied
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"In the meantime, stop blaming "baby boomers" for not retiring - they simply can't afford to."

I know there's a proper term for this kind of "... so shut up and stop asking questions" conclusion, but I'll just call it blatantly dishonest. As we all know, in a capitalist democracy, people have zero responsbility, both theoretically and practically, now and always, for the what happens in their society, particularly the actions of their government. In fact, nobody has any responsibility for anything, ever, period, just ask FDR, Jon Corzine and everyone who took out an ARM or a NINJA loan.

Anyway, yeah, if your generation's been in charge for more than a few years, unfortunately, yeah, it kinda has some responsibility for its own fate, sorry. It's not exactly no sympathy for fools, it's no sympathy for people hoisted by their own Ponzi scheme petard (after hoisting everyone else, including the unborn). But nah let's continue to pretend the world is boolean and all causes are direct and final, so you're either 100% responsible, or 0%.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:08 | 4763861 spooz
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When exactly did US voters have a choice between anything other than Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich?  As if the vast army of disenfranchised voters has any choice at all.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:06 | 4764065 Cathartes Aura
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well, the "US" voters could wake up and stop voting.

and then, as that awakening took hold, the possibility of fewer people subscribing to the "US way of life" which is now being held responsible for the shitstorm incoming, might have been intellectually questioning the systems, and even more "US" ex-voters might have seen some real changes. . .

instead of embracing their Brand: Consumer styled-lives, and buying even bigger Trucks to glue their bumper-sticker motto on:

He Who Dies With The Most Toys WINS !!!

but yeah, it is what it is, and will reap what's been sown.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 14:55 | 4763568 Its_the_economy...
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the retirement meme is going the way of the dodo.

work till you drop bitchez.

and by the way, better start taking care of your frame

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:18 | 4763914 SmallerGovNow2
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downsize your life, house, cars, and expectations.  don't be a debt slave....

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:11 | 4763627 Pootie Tang
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Its easy to ignore the effects of the credit boom and just blame generations for problems I guess.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:01 | 4764475 daveO
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My relatives, from the Depression, wouldn't take on debt. They advised everyone to do the same. That didn't stop the ME generation from taking on a huge debt load.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:12 | 4763635 darteaus
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Hey, we boomers can retire, BUT we know that SSN is going to run out of money AND our health is going to fade, SO we are going to continue to make money as long as someone is stupid enough to keep paying us.

What else are we going to do?  Clip coupons, watch soaps and drive around the trailer court in our golf carts bitching about this and that?  Forget that, I'll keep getting paid until they kick me out, and then I'll find something else to do.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:04 | 4763841 silentboom
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That's what death panels are for.  Problem solved.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:10 | 4764007 813kml
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Good for you, my dad retired at 62 and hasn't done anything worthwhile in the past 9 years.  His brain has pretty much turned to mush.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:09 | 4764254 Bear
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What's a madder wit mush ... been there ... still there

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:18 | 4763651 Osmium
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Maybe 65 is too young to retire for some? 

Remember when the retirement age was set at 65, many people were simply worn out from a lifetime of hard physical labor.  How many age 65 and older have done as much physical labor as the gernerations before them? 

If their life expectancy is 85, maybe they should work until 70 or later?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:54 | 4763789 ebear
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 My dentist just retired at 75.  I doubt he had any worries about affording retirement, he just loved his work and only hung it up when it got to be a burden.

I wish there were more more people like him around.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:12 | 4763880 spooz
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Except that, with unemployment being so high for young adults , if everybody worked longer there would be even less jobs available for those entering the workforce.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:19 | 4763654 DOGGONE
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Why can't they afford to retire?
Because their track record is "long-suckered":
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

And "The Public Be Suckered" is STILL kept unseen!
Viva la Stupidite!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:29 | 4763689 Spungo
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People are retarded? Same as it ever was. The entire country thinks it's possible to get something for nothing. Young people want free everything. Houses for homeless people, somehow raise wages without causing inflation or unemployment, subsidized green energy, etc. Old people want free healthcare, free pensions, and a larger military. Spending more on the military than every other country in the world combined is not enough, apparently.  It doesn't help that our "experts" are completely fucking retarded. See: Krugman. He said it would not cause harm to the economy if the treasury minted a 1 trillion dollar coin to monetize the debt instead of borrowing money through the fed. We have idiots leading morons. 

I'm part of Generation Y and I'm about 90% certain my generation will have exactly the same crisis baby boomers are facing right now. The government will have a bunch of empty promises, people will save nothing, lots of people won't even bother to pay all of their debts before retiring. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:36 | 4763717 B2u
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Oh well...I retired over two years ago at age 54....life is awesome living here in the tropics...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:07 | 4764245 Bear
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I did that ... lived in Hawaii for two years ... got bored, moved to where the action was (and no income tax) Las Vegas ... then the grandchildren came and moved back to California ... I want to be bored again

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 15:50 | 4763773 silentboom
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Ultimately savings drive employment and retirement.  All good things come from savings.  We are a country with no savings.  I place blame in only one place and that's the entity that can devalue savings through low interest rates and inflation (defined as expansion).  These demons have built a world of debt ridden, financially and morally bankrupt people.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:07 | 4763848 p00k1e
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A lifetime of SS contributions only affords a person 10+/- years of SS payments - just run the numbers, now add in Medicaid.   There’s a problem.  

Means test and euthanize the blue hairs.     

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:09 | 4768147 ceilidh_trail
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You first.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:34 | 4763972 blue gkm
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retire for what? they dont have the money!!! I work for the city of chicago and everybody thats been there for any length of time takes care of so many people that they cannot afford to move out of the way for me to move up in seniorty.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 16:46 | 4763999 DerdyBulls
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What is retirement?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:10 | 4764073 Rubbish
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Sleeping in...

 

40 years in the trenches and I'm beat, Dr. says I'm gonna live another 30 yrs, my blood pressure is better than his, WTF, ain't got that much $$$

 

Looking forward to the Gold Bitchez

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:32 | 4764774 DerdyBulls
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Retirement is against my religion. Too many drop dead after they quit working.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:22 | 4764101 Big Boss Man
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I retired in 2011 at 58 years of age.
I never went to restaurants, movies, and had 3 vehicles in that time.
I brown-bagged my lunch. (OK, I was a NYC construction worker, I could do it).
I bought and paid for three single family homes in Bergen County, NJ. (07648).
I've never even been a passenger in a Corvette or a 911, and I don't feel like I missed much.
I did learn along the way that three things hold their value for a long time, those are Jeep Wranglers, quality guns, and Harley Davidson motorcycles.
I know plenty of people who live beyond their means, and I'm quiet about their position.
Between my pension, Social Security next February, rental income, and about a million and a quarter in cash, (not counting the silver I started buying in 1989 at less than $5.00), I figure I can live comfortably till I check out.
If TSHTF, I belong to a like-minded community of Iron-Curtain escapees who know how to survive hardship and deprivation, and we will maintain.
I gave up a lot to get where I am, but I am satisfied with my position.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:33 | 4766150 DerdyBulls
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You aren't retired, you're managing your interests. Hats off to you. Now go buy some more rental homes.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:39 | 4764149 ian807
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They also tend to be better employees, with attention spans longer than a rabbit or a millenial. They also don't have their heads up their phone.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:04 | 4764236 J J Pettigrew
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You live your entire life with a fair return on savings....

then Bernanke and Yellen, both protected by generous pensions and cost of living

adjustments, REMOVE the fair return on savings, and push for inflation.

Criminal theft, a divergence from the financial history of this country upon which people

planned and relied.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:23 | 4764314 Bear
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This should be the most important story of our generation, but alas, the Boomers are too busy working to survive and payoff their debts

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:14 | 4764524 daveO
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You can't explain it to them, anyway. It's interesting when people say that schools are 'dumbing down' kids. From the Boomers I'm related to, the schools were better at it in 60's, 70's and 80's, before the internet came along. I only have one Boomer relative whom I can talk to about these things. He attended a private Christian school because his mother wasn't about to make him to ride a school bus across town, when forced busing began. All the others were public school attendees and thought BHO was the 2nd coming of Christ. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764415 Bear
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After reading all the posts for this topic, I feel that a legacy of debt is not our biggest problem ... bitterness, resentment and envy seem a much more problematic

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:42 | 4764804 Mr. Pickles
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What effect is the resentment having on society that is worse than generational debt and enslavement to a vampiric paradigm? What effect is this "envy" having that is worse than the greatest reversal of Liberty in US history?

 

Are you serious, or is your shame kicking in your cognitive dissonance? If you guys had just a pinch of remorse, you would stop voting the same fucking way, and let the younger generations have a go at fixing these epic failures.

The attitude problems that burn your ass are manifest as a result of your refusal to stop dishing the nightmare. Forgiveness comes with repentance, get over it.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:08 | 4764499 Notsobadwlad
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Wall Street killed defined contribution pensions for the vast majority of people. Wall Street thought is would be better and easier to steal from people's IRAs and 401ks.

Now people wonder why us old folks won't retire ... unless we work for the goobermint.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4764768 MeBizarro
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Boomers don't deserve the 'Breaking the family up' vibe they get.  That was the 'Silent Generation and Greatest Generation' who quickly adopted no-fault divorce laws after CA first passed it in '69 and the divorce rate exploded in the 70s. 

Any social conservative or conservative for the matter who tells you the family unit was destroyed by welfare is full of cr@p entirely.  It was due to a profound legal change (no-fault divorce laws almost universally adopted in the US in the early 70s) and technological change including the widespread adoption of birth control. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:19 | 4764923 nje
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It IS the boomers fault for the great lack of jobs today.

If a boomer doesn't have his pension/savings in check by 65 its because they fucked up. The boomer parents understood this. Now of course you could bring up the argument that the boomers parent generation didn't live as long as boomers are going to, but boomers parents parents didn't live as long as boomers parents either. Each generation having their own retire by x age for the next workers. Ontop of all these boomers that fucked up their retirement savings, social security is due to go broke not long after the boomers finally kick the bucket. (social security going broke is in part due to so many boomers fucking up. social security had to increase pay out at a greater rate recently in order to handle all the boomers that completely fucked up their retirement savings.) And lastly, those graduating college/university today are expected to live a life shorter than that of boomers due to the amount of crap Boomers subjected their young to.

So lets add everything up: Boomers fucked up their savings, didn't retire on schedule, takes jobs away from younger generations. + Social Security going broke inside a few years, no retirement assistance for younger generations who can't find jobs because boomers fucked up. + By the time younger generations get promoted from waiters to the job inside their bachelor degree, they have even less time than that Boomers should have taken to build up their retirement savings. = This generation fucked because of Boomers. Less jobs, less assistance, less time to build retirement savings. My generation will work to the day they die because Boomers fucked everything up. How did such a admirable generation produce the set of idiots that are the boomers?

Usually I don't like to identify myself as a full time trader because I'm not contributing. It is not as if I didn't try to find an appropriate job in my bachelor's field, it is just that I couldn't find one. When considering the Boomer's retirement savings problem, I'm actually a little happy that I am a full time trader because I know that a good share of the profit I make is being taken from those idiot Boomers trying to rebuild their retirement savings. So go ahead you idiot Boomers, take my jobs - I'll take your retirement savings instead. I'll keep you working to the day you die for the amount you fucked up the job economy.

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