Fact Or Fiction: Should We Raise Taxes On The Rich To Redistribute Wealth?

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Bangin7GramRocks's picture

Many on here would not even take this as satire. Sad, but true.

Againstthelie's picture

Multinational and S&P500 companies earnings at ATHs, paying record low taxes, billionaires, millionaires and speculators paying less taxes than the working poor, income by labour is higher taxed than speculation?

ZH libertarians love it and want moaaar of it! Taxes are evil!

Sheeple on the left and sheeple on the right. Sheeples everywhere while the 1% is laughing.

Dr. Engali's picture

You just don't get it do you? They won't raise taxes on the rich. They will raise taxes on the middle class and the rich's effective tax rate won't change. Any attempt to tax corporations will just be passed through to you and me in the form if higher costs.

NihilistZero's picture

To restate my argument from a few posts back, the only way I support higher taxes is if it's on dividends and high earners and the $ goes DIRECTLY to a subsidy for low income earners.  Capital has rigged the game long enough while the working class has been robbed.  This needs to be rectified one way or the other.  Unfortunately these billionaire cunts are so out of touch they think that working 40 hours a week shouldn't get you decent food or shelter.

Slave's picture

Like how those FICA taxes make it to where they're supposed to go?

Have you learned anything from this website?

eatthebanksters's picture

Why raise taxes when the Fed is injecting close to a trillion dollars a year into our system?...why not just make sure the money bypasses Wall Street and gets to where it can do some good for more than just the HFT guys?  Jesus, who cares about how rich people are?  No one gives a shit when everyone has jobs and is making money.  Its only when we have a neophyte imbecile for president and a special needs administration that fuck things up so bad that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the burned for everything is on the backs of the middle class:  I love higher healthcare premiums, deductibles & perscription costs, I love inflation at the supermarket...fuck this shit...it blows.  Let's vote for someone who demands contribution not someone who buys votes by taking from a minorty and giving the spoils to a majority.   Arrrrggghhhh!


People would not be bitching if there were jobs and opportunity!

All Risk No Reward's picture

1. The Fed isn't injecting anything in the system - all money is debt BY DEFINITION.


The Fed is taking (way overvalued) assets from the economy and replacing them with cash.  WHEN THE LOSS IS FINALLY RECOGNIZED, **THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL BE TOLD THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LOSSES**.


Yeah, basically, and this is nothing new.

“In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
? Ezra Pound


They aren't dumb, but people who think they are have no idea what they don't know.

Will a fox stop eating the hens once the hens have opened the door to the hen house?  Expecting the fox to treat the hens well is the intellectual equivalent of asking the Fed not to eat up Muppets, financially speaking.

Even a baby knows to cry when his/her candy is stolen - the average Muppet isn't even that smart.


Come on, people, WAKE UP!

It is all fraud.  It is all a con.  The table is tilted.













Againstthelie's picture


The satanic forces managed to make the stupid mass believe it was clever and intelligent and it began to overthrow their leaders. That's the trick with "democracy". But never in history anywhere a democracy as a rulership of the people existed! It always was the rulership of money, a plutocracy.

And once the sheeple turned against their leaders, they are without any protection and are sunken deeper and deeper into the satanic NWO, while in their stupidity they demand more and more individual "freedom" - while there is so much individual freedom already, that girls don't know anymore what women are and boys don't know what men are. They want moar of the poison.

The problem is the blindness of the masses and that they do not recognize how stupid, uneducated and incapable they are and that they either will find leaders and unite behind them in this WAR of the most clever and evil individuals and families, or we, our families or our children and grandchildren will end totally enslaved by following the lowest instincts of greed, amusement and sexuality: total individual freedom.


But do the sheeple recognize that there is a war going on? No, they are even to stupid to recognize even that! And they don't even care! Because the refrigerator is well filled and the amusement industry entertains them and they believe, life was only for joy and happiness - while a total war is being fought for the global enslavement under the One World government.

StateofFraud's picture

I would say stop feeding the beast, but it's too late. Only choice now is to wait until it collapses since the muppets have discovered they can pick the pockets of the producers to pay for the lifestyle described above. And -- they will continue to do so until there's not a scratch left, followed then with eating one another. Go read the Flanders-Wallonia article elsewhere on ZH. My goodness, what a crime to confuse "freedom" with government sponsored hedonism.

All Risk No Reward's picture

I would encourage anyone with eyes to see to simply do the right thing.

This system is probably more about sucking your soul than even your economic power.

It thrives because so few are capable of caring enough to "do the right thing."

These criminals win when we quit trying to resist them and exposing them.

The people who can't be bothered to investigate or are simply intellectually unequipped to challenge their oligarch programming, well, that's their responsibility.

All Risk No Reward's picture

Socrates taught me the power of words, so I try to use them to increase knowledge.

I believe a better term for it is The Money Power World Order.  Their chief historian explained what it represents, at least at a superficial level:

"In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations."
~Carroll Qugley, Tragedy and Hope


BTW, the tyrannical surveillance state was ALWAYS THE PLAN.

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”
? Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

BTW, that was written in the 1960s by the same guy who started the Mujahadeen, which morphed into al Qaeda, which was used as the pretext to create the tyrannical surveillance state he wrote would be in place.




As for Obama...  he was predicted, too...

“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
? Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

Manipulate and control - words chose by a man who chooses his words carefully.

Magnetic personalities on media.  In schooling.  In politicians,  In religious leaders.

You get the idea.


PS - Speaking of words, ObamaCare is a deception.  Obama is a nobody pitch man, that's it.  The progenitors of this sick management / debt enslavement system are well above their teleprompter reader Obama.

While not perfect, I've settled on BanksterCare for now because Big Insurance is a corporate front for the mega banks.  Of course, THE MONEY POWER owns and controls the mega banks, so Money Power Care is more accurate, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue as nicely.

Money Power World Order

Money Power money.

Money Power government.

Money Power schooling.

Money Power sick management systems (rejected by the Money Power itself, BTW - read Rockefeller Medicine)

Money Power religion.

Money Power war machine.

Money Power drug running.

Money Power drug money laundering.

Money Power terrorist financing.

Money Power false flag operations.

You get the idea.



The reason Rockefeller School doesn't bring this subject up is because they would be outing their own position of power (Rockefeller's representing the greater Money Power club).



Sean7k's picture

Two consecutive intelligent posts. Now, I wish to add something: a solution.

The elimination of all laws (not rules, one is binding and one is voluntary). It is law that gives currency power and value. You eliminate law and you eliminate currency debt. You eliminate assets valued in currency. Suddenly, the wealthy are not so wealthy.

You lose the abiiity to create crony corporate or any other corporate structure and enforce claims.

Taxes become voluntary contributions to local projects.

Licenses, fees and regulation disappear.

Elections disappear.

Entitlements disappear.

Money becomes what people will accept in trade. Social credit dominates the economy to provide liquidity.

Property is what you can control. Remember, ever person has an interest in controlling "their" property, it behooves them all to look out for each other.

Will there be violence? Yes. Is that different from now? No. It will probably be diminished appreciably.

What would be the greatest danger? People being convinced we could restart a new law system that would be "better". There would be many promises of how much better it would be.

Number one complaint: the rich will just hire thugs to take over. Answer: tough to be a thug when a community is pointing guns back at you.

You can complain about slavery all you want. Until you remove the means for its' maintenance as a social system, you will remain slaves. The legai systems of the US, Europe, Russia and China are massive constructs, based on the original one: Roman law. One of the largest slave states ever.

So, solution, how do we get rid of law? Stop obeying. Withdraw acceptance from the system. The Elites depend on the vast majority of the people to play by the rules. There is no plan Z for complete revolution by the total popuation or even mass minorities.


Againstthelie's picture


if the masses are stupid, phlegmatic and disinterested, how can you suggest removing laws as solution? Show me a historic example where that worked.

Jeltsin in Russia did it. The result was the land was grabbed by the 1% and only a leader, Putin, with the will to power and fight these forces, could give the Russians their country back!


And another aspect you libertarians (totally) ignore: you project yourself onto the broad mass.

In which world are you living? Don't you know how people are? What do they care for? Do they read ZH? No, they are interested in sports, celebrities, movies and the more garbage, filth, crime, sex and primitiveness they contain, the more they like it! The mass gives a SHIT about what is important.


The 1% knows that. And therefore they feed the masses with what they want and fight the forces that are demanding self discipline for the mass.

Coudenhove-Kalergi "Practical Idealism". Already in 1924 he developed the plan for mass immigration into White countries, free love and sexualization, promoting promiscuity, feminism, while the 1% decides for free MARRIAGE! The flower power revolution and the 1968-revolution from the Frankfurt school: the Kalergi-plan in practice. Supported and sponsored by Warburg and Rothschild. They know what they do and they are incredibly intelligent and clever - and then you libertarians come and say: remove all restrictions and guidance for the stupid mass! Incredible.

They know, that that by removing all restrictions on the personal life of the individual they bring the broad mass down on animal level, while they stay extremely self disciplined and follow the traditional values.

You believe sheeple would become responsible beings one day? LOL! Look the great information and knowledge the internet, away one press of a button, made available! and how do they spend their time? Do they download the books for free? No they sit in front of the TV! Do they talk to each other? No, they sit in front of the TV!

That's your beloved mass, that surely one day will make democracy work?


Beings that care if they destroy the planet with their greed, while they support a monetary system based on exponential growth, well they don't even are interested in, where the money in their pockets comes from?! Are you an Alien that did not grow up here, that you are living in Alice's wonderland?

White sheeple don't even care if the biggest genocide in history is committed against their race, that their children are losing their countries. Being able to shop is all they are interested in!


So please stop spreading this poison, that the mass was capable to rule without leadership. This lie is DEADLY, because it supports the legacy hunters that have been lying to the stupid mass, that it was intelligent, wise and good.


And history is the best witness! The mass NEVER has been idealistic and history was always made by individuals, a tiny minority and leaders. The trick with democracy was, to make the stupid ones believe in their individual power and reject all authority. And you are caught in this lie.


You don't lack individual freedom. You lack a LEADER.

Sean7k's picture

One, the masses are not stupid, just well trained to be shortsighted. When you remove law, you remove the ability to train the masses in this manner.

Yeltsin did no such thing. The Russian state remained, with leaders, based on a more democratic model- see where that led? 

Now who is projecting? Television ratings by participation are at all time lows. Newspaper sales are catastrophic. People just have limited options- options limited by law and the State.

The .01% do know these things- so they you law and the State to force them on the people and they don't like competition. Your whole laundry list of evils were perpetrated by the people that use law and the State to enslave us. How does that change? By telling them to stop and be nice- you're solution in a nutshell. You cannot tell the Elites what to do. You cannot fight them on their battleground. Law and fractional reserve banking (debt enslavement) are their battleground.

I don't want democracy to work- it doesn't. We don't need democracy, we need liberty. Every process to install democracy provides a means to distort results. We need voluntaryism and yes, I think the people would not just "get it" but thrive under it.

I never intimated the loss of leadership, just leadership by local approval. Wise ones are quite capable of solving disputes and providing leadership within a community. We don't need leaders that rob us, enslave us and save e est for themselves.

You are the one spreading poison, a poison used for 5000 years to enslave and impoverish people. All government leads to a small minority ruling a vast majority for their own benefit. Bar none. Not one single instance where this does not develop. 

I need no leader and I do lack liberty. As a proponent of national socialism, you need to look past the successes and see the abuses and tyranny.Further, the potential for disaster once your better than average leader yields to the maniacal- as Goebbels attempted in the last days. Even Hitler saw through that.

Againstthelie's picture

Sure you need more freedom! Maybe fucking a few children? Or marrying your sister? Since painting with feces is no longer an expression of freedom, how about copulating in front of children?

The power of the banks still too restricted? The possibilities to make money from filth way to restricted?


Again the simple question:

Where are the historic examples for your absurd claims?! Name the nations and cultures that flourished without strong leadership!

Contrary to this absurd claims many, many cultures and peoples were destroyed by the poison of Liberalism!


You are the one spreading poison, a poison used for 5000 years to enslave and impoverish people. All government leads to a small minority ruling a vast majority for their own benefit.

And this is also wrong and it is proven easily: all high cultures prove that wrong.

Good leadership does exist!

But what not exists is an intelligent, self disciplined mass, that could rule itself! You are an Anarchist and therefore an enemy of all culture. Because ANY culture is based on unwritten norms and laws by the community.


But you will witness anyway, where this sick liberalism will end. Then you will be able to enjoy your beloved Anarchy in reality.

Sean7k's picture

I have provided an example, but you fear to do so. Because once you name it, it can analyzed and the tyranny can no longer hide. I'm not sure what kind of society you live in or desire, from your comments, it must be pretty desperate. My community knows none of these things and the cities where this kind of behavior exists are ruled by your Statists.

I'm just fine with unwritten norms, I've made that clear, so don't attempt to fabricate lies, as is anarchy as well. 

You like to throw around slander, but you are surprisingly short on facts. Pretty typical of propaganda- to focus on emotons, rather than reason.

Cathartes Aura's picture

ahhh, I see you're back with your Story.

You don't lack individual freedom. You lack a LEADER.

humanity has suffered under various, NUMEROUS, onerous Leaders, and still the exact same patterns surface into view(s), time and time-again.

and your Views on Leading are scattered about these threads, no thanks dude. if you want to lead, find some followers, have at it!

let folks organise into groups of Similars, peacefully.

oh wait? that won't work because the LEADERS will power in and rape 'n' pillage, so we need WARriors, and protections?

same as it ever was. . .

Againstthelie's picture

let folks organise into groups of Similars, peacefully.


And goups of similars lead to what? To racial and cultural segregation! But sadly that's already against making the maximum profit! So there already is the first door for the attack against the community: the individual freedom to make business.

And what happens when such a group is under attack? It needs to defend itself.

But how to defend without a command? That's not possible. Therefore a leader is necessary.

So this is the most natural result of your own suggestion.

And which one? Would you elect the biggest coward? The stupidest one? Or the one with the best character?

Ofcourse the one with the best character and the best leader. But what are the virtues of the ones with the best character? They CARE.

But if there is a basket of apples and you care for it, what do you do, if there is one fouling apple among them? Will you follow the Jewish liberal lie of being tolerant and leave it where it is, or will you remove the fouling apple before the other become bad, too?

So any leader that cares is not tolerant. There can be no tolerance for destruction of the community.

Like a good boss of a company will not tolerate employees that harm the company.

It's integral part of any good leadership, that it is NOT tolerant. It can't be! No business owner allows you to stay at home when you want. He has the AUTHORITY over you. You have AUTHORITY over your children. And if you love them, you will use it. If you hate them just allow them everything!

Every military commander knows that. Every sport-team knows that.

The whole human existance is nothing but an example of that principle! And even among social animals the same principles apply. Nature doesn't know equality. It's a lie of the 1%. People are not equal and therefore cannot lead out of themselfes as group. Only individuals can lead. Only the personality and character not the mass. Quality trumps quantity.

If the best lead, then things are developing in teh right direction. If the worst lead things are falling apart. But the mass is led always and never rules. It can't. It never has. It never will.

The sheeple can only decide which ones should lead. And sadly it chooses the legacy hunters and not the ones that tell the truth, that it needs leadership.

Sean7k's picture

Prove racial and cultural segregation follows from the organizing of similars. Values are not race or culture specific. Most cultures and races share silmilar values.

Therefore, your whole premise falls apart, because your assumption is flawed. There is no need for defense, as similars are content to live within their society. The Amish seem to be doing just fine.

A community can defend itself and do it with a spectrum of leadership from those the group feels are wise. Called upon when needed. 

Thus, the best do lead, but not for themselves, but for the greater community and if that wisdom is not accepted? They can move aside for one who's voice more clearly articulates the vision of the community. One is free to enhance this vision or not.

Consequently, the danger of violence through social organization, that results in slavery, never develops. 


Againstthelie's picture

Prove racial and cultural segregation follows from the organizing of similars.

That ethnicities, people, nations and human races exist is the proove. Open your Bolshevik eyes.

El Vaquero's picture



Two things:


  1. The answer to you question about people being illiterate about the USD is, ummm, YES!  This is obvious.
  2. You're fucking angry, don't let that shit rule your emotions.  So shit is bad.  Plant a garden.  Learn to enjoy not being dependant on the system.  Go fishing, and eat the fish.  Go hunting and eat your kills.  If you have food, air, water and shelter while minimizing your dependence on state provided or regulated services, consider yourself good to go.  You aren't going to get rid of your dependence without going full medieval, but you can minimize them.

And yes, I get pissed at the ignorance from time to time, but it is becoming less and less often.  I know who I am, I know what I believe, and in this world of sworling bullhshit where you don't know what to believe, latch on to who you are, what you're principles are and live your life.

goneYonder's picture

Since the truth is being spoken here, I'd like to add something.

I have heard it said, "With freedom comes responsibility." This, to me, does not express the idea correctly. I have rephrased it to, "From responsibility comes freedom." or, a bit more poetically, if you will, "Responsibility is the mother of Freedom." 

Responsibility means doing what you should. Since you should do the right thing, and live according to the laws of Creation, responsibility means being an ethical and virtuous person.

The answer to our problems is for each person to humbly and quietly look within.

Againstthelie's picture

Exactly. And since the mass never was and never will be responsible, it is clear, that it needs guidance.

And it's an understatement, "With freedom comes responsibility" was only wrongly expressed.

It is expressed EXACTLY as it is meant! It is a lie to make the stupid sheeple rebel against their good leaders.

"From responsibility comes freedom." or, a bit more poetically, if you will, "Responsibility is the mother of Freedom."

That's TRUE and CORRECT. It implies, that first there must be responsibility!

So it is the OPPOSITE of the liberal poison that destroys everything.


Why? Because responsibility does not grow on tress, but is teached, it means that freedom can only exist with leadership which teaches and enforces responsibility. Like all good parents practice it.

And if you hate your children? Just allow them everything. Liberalism.

Sean7k's picture

Please show how the masses were never responsible: I suggest the Pennsylvannia colony from 1680 to 1690. No rulers were obeyed, local leaders solved social problems, no taxes were collected or laws produced. The people were happy, productive and responsible.

Your argument is chicken and egg. Without freedom, you have no opportunty to be responsible in a manner that does not hold coercion over your head. This is not true responsibility. As a virtue, it must evolve from desire to do what is right, not what is required.

You cannot learn responsibility without learning respect and respect requires tolerance. Tolerance is taught by example, not by law. 

You want to brand something and rail against it, when words are easily co-opted and then distorted to malign a principle. This is how propaganda operates.

Againstthelie's picture

I suggest the Pennsylvannia colony from 1680 to 1690.

Even if we ignore all the background developments, you must be joking. You suggest a system that worked for 10 years? Where is it today?! And what did it achieve?

That's the REALITY of all you dreamers. Your examples are the best examples how easily you are infiltrated and overtaken, your examples are therefore nothing but examples of short lived failures. The world is not Disneyland. Your suggested system is not capable to withstand the forces out there that exploit the stupidity and lethargy of the mass!

You are promoting to send away the sheepdogs protecting the herd, although the foxes are out there.

You are promoting to let homosexuals teach children.

It always leads to the total destruction of all culture and traditional values. The USA is the best example, what the result of this insane lie, that children could protect themselfes, is.

Sean7k's picture

It was conquered by the military of the king. Otherwise, the society could have produced great works.

Hitler's reich? 12 years. Where is it now? What did it achieve? Millions of Germans dead? Destruction of industrial capacity? International scorn ?

I am promoting personal responsibility and community for the protection of each other from the wolves of the State. I could care less if homosexuals teach children. They have always taught children. Hoever, a community involved in their children's life are MORE aware than those that give their children over to the State and forget about them.

I find homeschooled children to be much better examples of culture and traditional values. 

NihilistZero's picture

RE:slave. That's the whole point.  I WOULDN'T support them if they weren't going to where they were legislated to. Which means I DON'T SUPPORT THEM because I know it won't happen.



Dr. Engali's picture

Call me skeptical, but I don't see much of any tax on wealth making it's way to the poor. The poor would get a few trinkets and the rest would be redirected to the collectors. The only solution to this mess is a major system reset. The misallocation of capital is too distorted for anything else.

All Risk No Reward's picture

The Money Power and their close support class essentially don't pay any taxes.  In fact, they are net takers from society once bailouts are figured in.

They don't even pay property tax on their mansions and estates - because the Muppets are Muppets and WILL BE TREATED LIKE MUPPETS.


Read all the gory details here...

The Breakers...


the 70-room mansion has approximately 65,000 sq ft (6,000 m2) of living space. The home was constructed between 1893 and 1895 at a cost of more than $12 million (approximately $331 million in today's dollars adjusted for inflation).


However, the agreement with the Society allows the family to continue to live on the third floor, which is not open to the public. Countess Sylvia lived there part-time until her death on March 1, 1998. Gladys and Paul Szapary, Sylvia's children, continue to spend summers at the house.[5]

Although the mansion is owned by the Society, the original furnishings displayed throughout the house are still owned by the family.


And when society is fully busted, they will probably buy it all back for pennies on the dollar.

These people aren't stupid.







All Risk No Reward's picture

I can already see it...  the oligarchs sit on their behinds living is tax free castles while the starving masses sip their polluted liquid and comment to each other about stupid the oligarchy was to bankrupt everyone but themselves.

As long as we **feel** superior, WHO NEEDS ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT?

Even if it is a total delusion, AS LONG AS WE FEEL IT, RIGHT?

Againstthelie's picture

What, you tell the masses they are stupid and the 1% is not? Then you do not act like the legacy hunters, that say the stupid ones, how intelligent and beautiful they were!

But you see, the reality is not apprecieted.

The sheeple prefer to believe the Bernanks were stupid and they were clever.

This trick of the Money Masters was probably the best of all: tell the sheeple how clever and intelligent and well educated they were, while in former times they were not, and make them believe they do not need leaders.

You are so beautiful, darling!

Your vote is important!

You are something special!


"Look, how that works! HAHAHA!"

All Risk No Reward's picture

The 0.0001% are the Big Bad and they are wicked smart, but not without blind spots.

The vast majority of the 1% are on the dinner plate as meat on the table...  NOT sitting at the table doing the eating.

They've been duped, too.

People can't admit they've been duped, so they will choose to go down with the ship (that was a quote when discussing this with someone who had about 10 years of school).

The Matrix has nothing on the bizarre world in which I find myself - the real world.

Of course, tThe Matrix was financed by the Money Power for a reason.

Matt's picture

we're not stupid, we're disorganized.

The Occupy Movement was a failure because it had no organization, no leadership; each person had different motivations and goals. The Arab Spring worked because they had leaders and objectives.

Pickleton's picture

The Occupy Povement was a failure because it was made up of the terminally stupid, mentally ill branch of militant leftists that control us.  They were too busy having their rape orgies, murdering people, shitting on cop cars and planning terrorist attacks to actually do anything productive.

StychoKiller's picture

Yer preachin' to the choir here, so no need to shout!

g speed's picture

taxes are a strawman  --get rid of gov't and you get rid of the oligarcy by default. 

sessinpo's picture

g speed          taxes are a strawman  --get rid of gov't and you get rid of the oligarcy by default.


A very good idea, but unrealistic. That is an utopian idea. There will always be some form of government. And over time, it will always become corrupt. Rinse Repeat. History.

And by the way, even in a reset, the oligarchs will remain.

Tell me, if the entire system were to break down with riots in the streets, people starving, fema camps, shootings, don't you think the oligarchs will survive? They simply hop on their private jet will, us the commoners, feel the brunt of it all. The oligarchs have massive wealth, and thus mobility and freedom. You and I do not. I have to stay here with my family and defend what I have. They don't have to stay and can call there shots from anywhere, then come back when things settle down.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

"There will always be some form of government."

Until one day, there isn't.

You have an imagination, right? Use it. It isn't that difficult an idea to conceive.

Sean7k's picture

That massive wealth is dependent on a legal system to enforce their claims and protect them. Without that, they are just another guy in town. Remove the legal system (government) and you remove their ability to enslave the population.

Againstthelie's picture

Get rid of the government?

And the mass teaches it's children itself? Isn't keeping the public uneducated in the best interest of the 1%?

Enjoy sleeping in the car, if you want to keep it, because there is no police? Watched too much romantic movies about the glorious Wild West?

Women better stay at home when it gets dark as crown of liberty?

And how great the "markets" would be without any burocratic and legislative restricions! Dimon and Blankfein would no longer need to conspire in the dark.

You seem to prefer the jungle of the Wild West over civilization and order.

Slave's picture

There was no Wild West. Look at the stats. Crime is way higher right now.

Againstthelie's picture

What stats without government?

Slave's picture

This really is very well documented. Any quick google search will lead you there. You obviously haven't ever thought that Hollywood would lie to you about the Wild West. So much for being against the "satanic forces" of our culture and against the lie.

Againstthelie's picture

What do you want to tell me?

That the Wild West was not wild?

That the laws were respected without executive power?

Without courts?

That landlords didn't rule, but the law?

That workers were treated humanely?


You sit in front of your computer in your warm room with electricity and flowing warm clean water, which is only possible because of central authorities with executive power and you are dreaming about things you never experienced.

Want to know how it feels, when the government breaks down? Look at Jugoslavia. Or Iraq. Or just switch off the electricity for three days.

You seem to be one of those, that wanted the government shutdown when the debt ceiling was reached.

I know what would have been the best cure against this: shut it down. The police stays at home. The traffic lights are switched off. The court houses stay closed. Hospitals close. The garbage you produce is not moved away.

After the second day all shops would have been empty and plundered and after three days most people would have been cured from this idiotic ideology.

Slave's picture

Still haven't researched the Wild West? Continue making an ass out of yourself...

I fully expect the scenario you describe to be forced upon me someday so I have prepared accordingly. It sounds to me like you need the .gov, statist. And you're the one who will be scared when that day comes.

Sean7k's picture

My computer was made by a private company and would cost much less without a government to tax and regulate the producer. I get clean water (no chlorine or flouride like yours) from my well. My room is warm because I have a wood stove. However, to think only a government can make and sell energy is just dumb. Who do you think operates the energy system? Private parties.

Why would a private company shut down electricity? It would become cheaper, minus the taxes.

The police stay at home, fine. I have insurance and a gun and neighbors. No raffic lights, you mean like when they go off and people have to take turns at intersections- sounds like a world calamity! No courts? To protect the Oligarchs,to fine us for tickets?  Mon Dieu! Why would a private hospital close? Garbage is hauled to a private dump by you or if you live in the country burnt. Oh, the horreur!

After the second day, the people would see why having a slave system sucks and liberty provides opportunity.

Chump's picture

Here's some reading to get you started from a source that's probably right up your alley.