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The International Brotherhood Of Burger Flippers Will Not Take It Any More

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Having unsuccessfully lobbied its slave-driving masters with one-day strikes and angry tongue-lashings, Thursday sees the fast food workers’ movement wants to broaden its reach as it pushes for a $15-an-hour wage (that restaurant companies say is unrealistic). In addition to 150 strikes across the US, NY Times reports, support protests will take place in 80 cities in more than 30 countries, from Dublin to Venice to Casablanca to Seoul to Panama City. "Fast food workers in many other parts of the world face the same corporate policies — low pay, no guaranteed hours and no benefits," warned one union leader but judging by the response from the restaurants association, "These are made-for-TV media moments - that’s pretty much it." Workers generally have the same message - "I don’t make enough money to take care of my kids," but as we have noted before (and as Motoman Robot below indicates) raising the minimum wage will have unintended consequences few strikers consider, "it would have consequences on hiring patterns for Main Street businesses across the country."

 

The push for a minimum-wage hike to $15 per hour continues...

The reason I’m going on strike is I don’t make enough money to take care of my kids,” he said. “We need to go on strike and protest — that’s the only way we’ll get them to improve things.”

 

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“Fast food workers in many other parts of the world face the same corporate policies — low pay, no guaranteed hours and no benefits,” said Mary Kay Henry, the president of the Service Employees International Union.

As the unions go international... (as Reuters notes)

On Thursday, fast-food workers in more than 30 countries across six continents will take coordinated action on an unprecedented scale. In the United States, they will walk off their jobs in 150 cities — the largest strike ever. Workers around the world will join these protests in 80 cities.

 

The protestors are set to take over a McDonald’s during lunchtime rush hour in Belgium; hold flash-mobs at McDonald’s restaurants across the Philippines, and conduct a teach-in at McDonald’s headquarters in New Zealand.

 

The spread of the fast-food movement to the global stage is notable for the speed at which it has happened. What began as a single strike in New York City in November 2012, with roughly 200 workers participating, has in 18 months spread across the country and now across national borders.

But...

The vast majority of these protesters are not actually restaurant workers, and if they are, they’ve taken the day off in advance,” he said, adding that the efforts did not fit the description of a strike.

And, as the NY Times notes, the strikes appear to be having no impact...

Businesses have generally opposed the $15-an-hour proposal, saying it would cut into their profits, reduce hiring and force them to raise prices. Mr. DeFife warned of harmful repercussions if wages climbed to $15 an hour. “It would have consequences on hiring patterns for Main Street businesses across the country,” he said.

 

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Even with the new overseas protests, Jake Rosenfeld, a labor relations expert at the University of Washington, doubted the movement would achieve its $15 goal unless the employees were unionized. “I don’t think they’re any way close to getting there,” he said of the effort.

Of course - what workers should really worry about is...

Motoman...

 

The Japanese have done it again with the Motoman robot, a pancake-flipping wonder of circuits and electricity. This awesome machine recently debuted at a three-day exhibition of robots in Osaka.

and Momentum Machines...
 

 

Momentum Machines is revolutionizing the $70bn burger and fries industry. Our robot allows restaurants to sell gourmet quality burgers at fast food prices. We have created a robot that makes customized hamburgers from raw ingredients to packaging, with zero human intervention. The machine can receive orders from any POS system, as well as a customizable mobile app. A Momentum Machine robot streamlines operations, saving the average fast food location $135k/year in labor.

 

So be careful what you ask for on that minium wage?

 

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Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:36 | 4764140 ShrNfr
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Not only that, the robot does not pick its nose or its ass before they hand you the, err, ahh, what ever they hand you. No going to the bathroom and not washing either.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:37 | 4764145 Pool Shark
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"Would you like an unemployment check with that?"

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:44 | 4764162 Timmay
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Robots flip burgers and they flip stocks. Oh, and they don't ask questions either, perfect for flipping hellfire missles into wedding parties.

Everyone see where this is going??

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:52 | 4764194 Chief Wonder Bread
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a prequel to the Terminator franchise.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:02 | 4764226 Anusocracy
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“The reason I’m going on strike is I don’t make enough money to take care of my kids,” he said. “We need to go on strike and protest — that’s the only way we’ll get them to improve things.”

Dear Useless Idiot,

The existence of government drives up the price of things by 100%. Please kill yourself before you induce government to be even more destructive to the economy.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4764324 James_Cole
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The existence of government drives up the price of things by 100%. Please kill yourself before you induce government to be even more destructive to the economy.

Striking has.......to do with .gov? Anyone out there realize America has a long history of labour movements being violently suppressed by the government?

Anyone on here know off hand the reason workers have an 8hr (as opposed to a 16hr) day? How anti-child labour laws got on the books?

Hello? Are there sentient beings of any stripe out here?

Though, I suppose everyone would be better off working 16hr days (with the kids right beside of course, fuck education what good is that shit anyway?).

On the topic at hand, somehow lots of countries much less rich than the US have higher minimum wage and still don't have a fully automated workforce. And if you think your job is protected from software / hardware evolution * spoiler * it's not. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:42 | 4764379 Spastica Rex
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Being an angry (yet "Objective") white male means never having to give a shit about anything but yourself.

Indians? Fuck 'em.

Black people? Fuck 'em.

Mexicans? Fuck 'em.

Queers? Fuck 'em.

Fast food workers? Fuck 'em.

The list is LONG.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:11 | 4764514 Keyser
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The irony is that these burger flippers want $30,000 a year in wages while newly minted college graduates are moving back into the parent's basement because they can't find work... It wouldn't bother me if every fast-food franchise in the US closed down... They are the primary contributor to obesity and diabetes today...

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:27 | 4764571 Spastica Rex
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It wouldn't bother me if every fast-food franchise in the US closed down.

Amen.

The real irony is that 80% of the population could be gassed and ground up for natural fertilizer and everybody left would be far better off.

Might have to keep a few to mow lawns, pick fruit,  and clean hotels, I guess.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:54 | 4764676 IronShield
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Are you part of that 80%?  You know, the Pareto thing.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:04 | 4764697 Spastica Rex
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You betcha.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:31 | 4765889 Bindar Dundat
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It is not about wages oh dumb ones -- it's about saving seconds in the drive through. If it saves them a second in the drive through line it's worth the investment.  Here is how it works:   10,000 stores times saving one second for each customer  results in 160 hours more serving time across the chain every customer.  Robotics will result in time savings of 10 to 15 seconds a customer and that will make minimum wage calculations meaningless. 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:45 | 4765941 Bindar Dundat
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In Canada  2% of all cash transactions occur at Tim Hortons.....Thats a lot of donuts and coffee.  

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:39 | 4765155 mark mchugh
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Do you hear yourself?  I think what you mean is college grads don't want the jobs that are out there.  So here's an idea.  Let the college grads take the minimum wage burger-flipping jobs when these guys walk.  

So you're outraged that people who actually work want a living wage, AND you'd like high-paying jobs to magically appear for lazy kids who have a sheepskin.

Right?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:25 | 4765113 TheReplacement
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She doesn't understand the problem and is protesting the wrong thing.  To understand what the problem is you have to ask the right questions.  Why is she working at McD's when that is a job typically meant for the least skilled (kids with no experience) - where did the decent jobs go?  Why is $7.50/hr worth so much less today than it was when the minimum was raised?  Why is she not looking for a better paying opportunity rather than "striking"?

Past points about work safety and abuse are all well and good but you are simply reacting emotionally on this issue. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:00 | 4765226 Anusocracy
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"Striking has.......to do with .gov?"

Are you really that stupid? They are striking so .gov will raise the minimum wage.

"Anyone on here know off hand the reason workers have an 8hr (as opposed to a 16hr) day? How anti-child labour laws got on the books?"

So the government can take half the wages of the husband and wife each working 8 hrs. instead the more odious taking of half the wages of one person working 16 hrs. As for child labor, I worked as a 'child' paperboy and it was one of the hardest jobs I ever had. Every kid should have a job and never an allowance.

"Though, I suppose everyone would be better off working 16hr days (with the kids right beside of course, fuck education what good is that shit anyway?"

Cost of government day in 2013 was July 12th - that means 53% of the working year goes to support the destructive actions of government. And a government education is a fucked-up education anyway.

"On the topic at hand, somehow lots of countries much less rich than the US have higher minimum wage and still don't have a fully automated workforce."

How many of those are resource rich or banking centers, and not manufacturing countries? All of them?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:27 | 4765497 James_Cole
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Are you really that stupid? They are striking so .gov will raise the minimum wage.

No. 

 As for child labor, I worked as a 'child' paperboy and it was one of the hardest jobs I ever had. Every kid should have a job and never an allowance.

lol wooooowwww. Paperboy????? Anus you've said plenty of stupid shit but this takes the cake (and explains a lot). Take a look at what child labour entailed in the early 1900s / usa. Or look at child labour today on american farms (or do them mexican kidz not count?). Ain't no fucking paper route!

How many of those are resource rich or banking centers, and not manufacturing countries? All of them?

Um Germany? USA 30 yrs ago (inflation is a bitch)? 

http://blogs.lclark.edu/hart-landsberg/files/2011/12/real.png

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 03:47 | 4765590 A Nanny Moose
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I don't mean to be rude, but you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. Please review price in the most and the least regulated industries. Get back to me when you have figured out the pattern. Please play more Chess, so that you might learn how to better understand the disposition of all pieces on the board.

Gov is not labor and labor is not gov, but that does not diminish the impacts that .gov currency destruction has on labor. This is THE most important aspectnto understanding the disposition of labor

Anyone on here know off hand the reason workers have an 8hr...day?

Competition...for labor. At least whatever competiton had not been regulated out of existence by .gov.

How anti-child labour laws got on the books?

Old people (voters) who did not want to compete with cheaper, and more physically capable young (non-voters) labor. Why should children not be allowed to work?

Would you like me to continue? How about min wage? Well, that was an effort to prevent cheaper black workers from being hired.

Weekends? Factory workers who were too drunk to work 7 days a week. Why are you even compelled to even work 5 days a week?

Look Ma! No collectivization needed.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:10 | 4764501 War_is_Peace
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“We need to go on strike and protest — that’s the only way we’ll get them to improve things.”

 

Really?  The ONLY WAY?  Whatever happened to personal responsibility for one's condition?  Don't like minimum wage?  Figure out a way to provide greater value to your employer.

 

I don't care much about what this increase might do to the large, multi-national fast "food" corporations, but I do care about the small business owners that provide quality food and service; not to mention the countless other small businesses that empoy people with little value-added labor.  These mislead yokels are barking up the wrong tree.  They should be asking "why the fuck is everything so expensive"...not, "why don't i get paid more for a job that a trained monkey can do?"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:37 | 4764603 James_Cole
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Really?  The ONLY WAY?  Whatever happened to personal responsibility for one's condition?  Don't like minimum wage?  Figure out a way to provide greater value to your employer.

Tell that to these guys (history repeating.....):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmoreland_County_coal_strike_of_1910%E2%...

They should be asking "why the fuck is everything so expensive"...not, "why don't i get paid more for a job that a trained monkey can do?"

We're all trained monkeys, get over yourself. 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:48 | 4765628 StychoKiller
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at the start of the 20th Century, over 40% of the US population were self-employed.  When did the drone-training, AKA public education take over?

Govt rulez/regulations make it almost impossible to start your own business these days.  Visit the back office room(s), employee's lounge, etc, and check out just how many permits/licenses, etc., are required to run a business!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:39 | 4764621 Postal
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Whatever happened to personal responsibility for one's condition?

As one of my professors used to say, "That's just crazy talk!"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:12 | 4764899 Spumoni
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Well, you must be the fucking president of the aunusocracy to make a comment like that. Spoken like someone who never did a hard day's labor in their pointless little entitled lives. Government drives up prices? Bud, without government, people who actually work would have shot your sorry ass long ago. You ought to be kissing the tax collecotr's ass for paying for cops to keep people from fucking you up.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:16 | 4765270 Anusocracy
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Well Spew, you're an idiot.

Cost of Government Day 2012: July 15th

Cost of Government Day 2013: July 12th.

That doesn't cost a thing, right?

And are you even capable of understanding that the individual and the private sector can provide security? In the early 2000s the number of private security workers surpassed .gov cops - then came 9/11 and the US Police State.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:09 | 4764256 666
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$15/hr could be a good thing because the newly unemployed workers will enjoy better health by not being able to afford to eat the toxic junk food they make; the same goes for the former customers who can no longer afford to frequent such places.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4764310 Chief Wonder Bread
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You forgot the /sarc

BUT

just in case you were being sincere,

that's the only utilitarian argument in favor of raisng min to $15/hr, to get burger-flippers to eat more of their own toxic cooking, thus raising GDP (ugh)... 

a la Henry Ford's classic gambit raising his workers wages to $5/day so they could buy the autos they themselves were making.

UNFORTUNATELY, there was a method to his madness at a time when consumer demand was robust. Same .gov policy won't work in these times of retrenchment and debt overhangs. It will just kill jobs and [seriously] increase automation in fast-food service sector. No fooling, the machines are coming.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:11 | 4766035 ElvisDog
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You should read a little history. The primary reason Ford raised the wages of his assembly line workers was because he was having worker retention problems. The assembly line work was mind-numbing. He had to raise wages to the level where the mind-numbing work was worth it to his employees. The "so people can afford my cars" thing was more of a PR move.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 13:30 | 4766350 Chief Wonder Bread
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-- The "so people can afford my cars" thing was more of a PR move.

Yep. And at the same time it actually DID make his cars more affordable for his workers. At the margins.

You state that he was having worker retention problems. Well guess what, when employers have worker retention problems, what's that a sign of?

a BOOMING economy, just as I said above:

 ... there was a method to his madness at a time when consumer demand was robust.

So what is your point? That he wasn't being 'sincere' (ie, that it wasn't his real motives)?

WELL, WHO THE HELL CARES WHAT HIS 'REAL MOTIVES' WERE?

OR, are you suggesting that there wasn't a marginal effect of greater affordability among his workers? Respectfully, I simply disagree with that (if that's what you're also implying). He kept his prices steady and everyone was happy. His sales volume expanded. (A so-called 'virtuous circle' was created.)

But the same conditions don't apply today as I went on to state:

Same .gov policy won't work in these times of retrenchment and debt overhangs. It will just kill jobs and [seriously] increase automation in fast-food service sector... [AT THE MARGINS].

See how that works? And also, I actually have read a little history.

 


Fri, 05/16/2014 - 03:17 | 4765582 A Nanny Moose
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Can I get some fries with that?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:54 | 4764202 swass
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There is still a number of people behind flipping hellfire missiles into wedding parties.  At least you could excuse the autonomous robot for not valuing human life.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:57 | 4764208 narnia
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pretty much the same place the asshole megalomaniacs ordered the conscripted people to go before them

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:56 | 4764209 PT
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Oh yes, if only there was no minimum wage, I could pay people two dollars per week to stand around in shopping malls, factories and on the side of the road and they could sell fizzy drinks and chocolate bars AND THEY WOULD HAVE JOBS AND VENDING MACHINES WOULD NEVER EXIST!!!  Win-nar!

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:51 | 4765630 StychoKiller
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Ask yerself, "why are some people so worthless?"  (J'accuse public education!)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:37 | 4765751 PT
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Ask yerself why someone can operate a machine that lets one man do the job of ten and yet they only earn half of what their ancestor, who didn't have the machine, earnt.

While you're at it, ask yerself why so many "worthless" people have jobs when so many "worthful" people are unemployed.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:43 | 4764163 NotApplicable
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And not a single fuck was given that day.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 06:44 | 4765694 whoisonfirst
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City to give alcoholics beer to clean streets

http://www.thelocal.de/20140513/essen-work-scheme-pays-alcoholics-in-beer

 

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:03 | 4765804 PT
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Fucking alcoholics always get special treatment!  Fucking alcoholics always win!

:P

I'm in two minds about that idea.

"I'mmmm NoT DRuNK oshifer - I'm WoRKiNG ..."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:09 | 4764255 Zirpedge
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With nanotechnology in the meat, the burger will know it's cooked to perfection and tell the robot to apply cheese and condiments per the human resource's specifications.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:18 | 4764540 RmcAZ
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"It's the only job I have," said Tammy Castellanos, 35, a single mother with five children ranging in age from 21 months to 18 years old. "I have done so much for Burger King and I don't make enough to pay the rent."

No, this quote did not come from The Onion.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:39 | 4764619 rbg81
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I can't help but wonder if the Burger King himself is her baby daddy.  Or....at least someone dressed up like the Burger King.  It could be worse though...it could be Ronald McDonald.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:06 | 4765810 PT
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Don't worry.  There are still plenty of responsible people out there who won't have kids if they can't afford to look after them.  Chill out!  Watch a DVD.  I recommend Idiocracy.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:54 | 4768586 SF beatnik
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Yeah, thanks a lot, Tammy.  We sorely need five more Castellanos.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:01 | 4765035 drendebe10
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Uh, then could it be, maybe, when the unions kept demanding more n more then the US jobs moved outta here?  Nah!

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:18 | 4765835 PT
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Inflation adjusted minimum wage = half what it was half a century ago.  Tell me again about those "powerful unions".

In my country:
20 years ago:  mortgage on good house = half the minimum wage.
Now:  mortgage on cheapest house in cheapest suburb = 100% of the minimum wage.

Tell me again, what is sending all the jobs overseas????????????????????????????

"Oh, but that is just the fweeeeeeeee markit at work.  Nuffing to see here!  Get back to work peasant.  You could solve all yor problems, if only you worked harder for less munny!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:17 | 4765088 TheReplacement
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You've never met Bender.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:58 | 4765636 StychoKiller
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You rang? :>D

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:37 | 4765323 Peanut Butter E...
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Given a choose between a human burger flipper verse robot, I would go with robot since you really can't piss off a preprogrammed robot unless it's out of order, but consider that human burger flipper can be out of order any minute of the day without warning they might just spit in your burger to make their day.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:27 | 4765869 PT
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If you try and kick the fuck out of a metal burger flipper, you get a sore foot.
When you complain to a biological manager, you don't get put on hold.
Just a couple of things to think about.

Personally, I'm all for having robots do all the work.  That was the whole point.  We need production, not jobs.  Now where is that 4 hour working week we were all promised? 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:36 | 4764141 SilverIsKing
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I hope these workers get $15/hour or more.  They should get what they 'deserve'.

 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:37 | 4764144 ShrNfr
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You want pink slips on that burger?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:51 | 4764188 tucano
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Anyone thumb downing KingSilver is clearly missing his sarcasm.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:58 | 4764214 swass
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</sarcasm>

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:17 | 4764288 SilverIsKing
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I didn't think it was necessary.  'Deserve' in quotes should have been a dead giveaway.  Some are thicker than others.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:03 | 4764229 PT
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Actually, it is the extra profit gained from paying minimum wages that is used for R&D which develops the robots that replace the workers.

For example, a certain group of auto workers gave up pay rises ( or was that "took a pay cut"?  I can't remember ) in order to keep their jobs and then the bosses went ahead and built factories in Mexico and the workers lost their jobs anyway.  Unless they wanted to take a pay cut and move to Mexico.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:00 | 4764472 James_Cole
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For example, a certain group of auto workers gave up pay rises ( or was that "took a pay cut"?  I can't remember ) in order to keep their jobs and then the bosses went ahead and built factories in Mexico and the workers lost their jobs anyway.  Unless they wanted to take a pay cut and move to Mexico.

Americans are completley lost on this issue... the anti-labour pr is so successful there's not much that can compete with it. 

It's funny how americans talk about freedom and rights a lot. What are those rights? The right to work for peanuts & shut the fuck up about labour protections or the freedom to be unemployed and on the street? Rights mean fuck all if you don't have the money to feed your family and pay rent. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:37 | 4764142 Nevsky
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“The reason I’m going on strike is I don’t make enough money to take care of my kids,” he said. “We need to go on strike and protest — that’s the only way we’ll get them to improve things.”

 

suddenly the real problem comes in focus

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:46 | 4764174 BigJim
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I wonder if this person ever considered only having the kids they could afford to feed, on the income they were qualified to earn?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:51 | 4764189 Nevsky
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Children are good.

The issue is not their number, but the abundance of sense of entitlement and famine in the area of self-development - the choice to remain as little qualified as possible.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:57 | 4765019 Matt
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Oh, so which qualifications will gaurantee a middle class lifestyle in perpetuity? How does one afford to acquire the specialized skills, keeping in mind that if you spend 8 to 12 years acquiring those skills, you need to be confident those skills will be in demand for at least 30 years from now in order for it to pay off?

specialization pays more due to having to invest, plus the risk your specialized skills will become obsolete. Generalization pays less, but (prior to robots taking over) is a safer bet, and has no up-front investment.

So many other issues are tied in - money dilution from the government, fed, big banks, raising living costs due to government programs, municipal governments, plus changing demographics, more expensive energy. 

America just needs some Special Economic Zones so people can go there and be self-employed or join startups without all the massive overhead.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:11 | 4766319 Nevsky
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There are no guarantees [for prosperity] under the sun. Never have been, never will be. Certainly not from a gov that creates the very problems described [no matter what politicians say].

 

But sitting pretty on burger-flipping skills only will guarantee poverty.

 

Good day.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 14:31 | 4767241 Marco
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We used to have commons to subsistence farm on at least.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:55 | 4764148 Rainman
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And that machine don't need no dew cap over its head either ... Bravo !

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:40 | 4764150 Atlantis Consigliore
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Stay home draw EBT cards, get a no doc Ninja Loan, Jump on and flip your Realtor;

Speculate....RE/.......Yellen will get it to go up,  its your right...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:42 | 4764158 semperfi
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occupy mcdonalds

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:42 | 4764159 youngman
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A job a 16 year old starts out in High School....and these idiots think its a career....if you cant learn a new station every month..you only deserve the minimum wage..and probably less...if they were smart they could be manager by the end of the year...and probably own one in 5 years if they worked hard....

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764433 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Yep. These kinds of jobs were meant for kids working their first jobs, not 30 and 40 year olds with kids. If you don't have the work ethic, intelligence, and drive to better yourself, demanding 15 an hour is absurd. An lets be honest, the service has gotten shitier and shitier over the past decade. And it seems like the people there are getting older too, and doing a worse job. Not excusing these people's behavior, but the school system and govt handouts, along with so many talking heads tellin them they can't help it, it's not their fault are part of the problem.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:58 | 4764464 Graceguy
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I have 2 Subway stores. I took a new employee to assistant manager in two months and manager 3 months later. Her qualifications were honesty strong work ethic. But, she was one in 500 at best. The rest have to be watched like a hawk before they steal you blind or start fights with the customers or each other.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:16 | 4764913 Spumoni
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Thanks for all the yoga-mat in the bread you serve. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:36 | 4764972 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Haha +1, that's funny. I don't mean to bash the guy, props to him for being a successful small business owner in this country, but fuck subway. That shit is barely better than McDonald's with all the preservatives and yoga mat in the bread. You only need like 5 or 6 ingredients to make wheat bread, theirs had like 30. Their new commercials are hilarious talking about all the shit they just suddenly stopped adding to their food after all the backlash. No thanks, still not eating there

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:02 | 4765229 Spumoni
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Right there with ya. I still bounce when I fall, from back in the days when i ddin't know better than to eat that shit.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:56 | 4764167 swass
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I love how socialists don't have any concept of the value of work, and that all work isn't created equal.  They also don't like the concept of shame.  They'd like to create an environment where a father can no longer warn and shame his child by telling them if they do or don't do X, they will end up "flipping burgers."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:08 | 4764253 Bangin7GramRocks
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I have more respect for a burger flipper than a stock/bond flipper. At least the burger flipper has some usefullness to society.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:55 | 4764449 Miggy
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I agree. Plus they have it right, forget about the $15 number. The planned economy has left the lower wage earners in the dust. Businesses are surviving the inflation because they can suppress wages so much and still get workers to perform the jobs. Plus of course keep the money for themselves. In a true free market wages would have to keep pace as the economy grows.

 

In essence because of free trade, there is no difference between the USA and China when talking about the lower wage earners. It was planned that way.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:40 | 4764586 swass
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Ahh, no.  In a true "free market," wages would be set by the market based on the availability of qualified labor willing to do the job at a price and the amount of value they bring to the employer. If the work force capable and willing to flip burgers for 4.00 exists, and if the employer can justify paying them that, then that is the price the market will set.

I should also add that employers are incentivised to raise wages both when the labor force for a given price diminishes and also when they wish to attract better (un)skilled labor, in addition to rewarding employees for bringing more value so they don't go somewhere else.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:53 | 4764987 Miggy
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True, that great big fence on the border down there is really keeping the unskilled labor force out thus creating a level playing field for American workers. Plus giving favored nation status to China has had no direct affect on manufacturing in America so those great manufacturing jobs are all around us.

 

I may just make it down to Ford tomorrow and see if they are hiring for an assembly line position. Since Ford is competiting for good employees like the burger joint wages are for sure going to be in line with a "free market".

 

My sarcasim is not personal. I am just making my point which is big business has no loyalty to country or the middle class thus the destructive government policies we have seen that has gutted the middle class. I love capitalism, but not internationalism.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:24 | 4764754 fattail
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Actually there is a difference. The United States actually has environmental regulations that prevent the degradation of the air Soil and Water. The outsourcing of labor to China has allowed multinationals to rape the environment through the graft and corruption of Communist Party officials. The best thing that could happen for the United States would be for U.S. environmental protections to be enforced globally thereby levelling the playing field somewhat.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:04 | 4766250 swass
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It is true that China has basically done away with any reasonable environmental controls to allow their economy and industry to grow like it has, and it has done great damage to their environment. 

That said, I am a little concerned over your statement that US environmental protections should be enforced globally.  Are you implying that there should be some supragovernment, such as the UN, that should have authority over all countries, including the US, capable of enforcing global environmental law?  Or are you suggesting that the US should police the globe and enforce its' environmental policies in every country around the globe?

Moreover, US environmental policies go WAY beyond 'clean air' and 'clean water.'  Often these policies are misguided and do economic damage.  One thing people don't realize is that poor socicieties are often times the dirtiest, in terms of their local environmental impact.  The more prosperous the population, the cleaner the environment.  This isn't simply because environmental laws show up, but rather because the population itself demands a cleaner environment and is willing to pay for it.  The problem in the US is that the environmental movement has gone well beyond due dilligence and common sense, to become a cult and a place that government can use to pick winners and losers.

China will clean up.  The communists are of course part of the problem there, but rest assured that the people will have the final say there and as their economy improves, they will demand things get cleaned up.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:50 | 4764660 swass
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While that is an opinion, stock and bond traders do bring value to a market.  In fact, they are what constitutes the market. They participate in buying and selling, creating liquidity. Really the policy makers and those directly distorting free markets (government and central bankers) deserve our scorn.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:01 | 4764693 Bangin7GramRocks
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You really still believe that. How cute!

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:42 | 4765927 PT
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Creating "liquidity"?  Would that be something like "Encouraging 'Ponziness'"?  People are more willing to buy stocks and bonds because they know how easy it is to offload said stocks and bonds if they made a mistake?  Suddenly they are no longer interested in yields and fundamentals but are more interested in selling to the greater idiot?

Perhaps if there were less liquidity, and people couldn't dump stocks and bonds on a whim, people would be forced to think a little harder when valuing their next purchase.
A little bit like bosses that can't be bothered screening their labour because it is so cheap.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:47 | 4766210 swass
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People seem to be mistaking traders and HFT.

If the original post was that HFT adds no value to the market, I would agree.  HFT does not add to the natural liquidity of a market -- it does amplify liquidity, but not in a way that is useful to the market.  There are also all sorts of other negative things that go along with HFT and algo trading. 

So to take a swing at your comment about less liquidity being good.  Less liquidity is bad.  Less liquidity means people are less interested in a stock/bond at a given price. This means that you have less opportunity to sell at last price and may need to lower your ask until buyers materialized.

Also, why is dumping stocks or bonds bad?  Are you implying people should have restricted ability to buy or, more to the point, sell when they deem appropriate?  If so, then you might have a job in government waiting for you, because that would mean you endorse highly regulated (inefficient) markets.  Please don't take this as personal though; it's just a difference I am trying to illustrate.

The boom and bust cycles we have now are not because of too little regulation.  We have too much regulation and the wrong kind.  We have government taking bribes to create regulation that favors one group over another. We have a complicit congress while central banks buy billions in debt from banks who turn around and highly leverage it to buy more debt and stocks and other assets, thereby driving prices up artificially.  That is why you see the massively leveraged markets.  It's not a natural free market phenomena.  In any case, the bust cycles are just the free market reasserting control and are necessary to clear the market of malinvestment.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 14:52 | 4767315 PT
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Why is a stock's liquidity so important?  Shouldn't the stock have to earn its appropriate amount of liquidity?  You can't sell shares exactly when you want to?  Boo hoo hoo.  People have that problem every day when trying to sell cars, houses and anything else expensive.  They compensate by adjusting price.  Otherwise they wait.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:58 | 4764466 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I also love how the govt blames others for the problems they have created. A while bac you had WIN "whip inflation now", where they talked about all the inflation running through the economy, blamed everyone and everything except the gov for taking us off the gold standard and the fed for becoming more and more involved in trying to manage the economy. Now that they can't mention the rampant inflation that permeates through our society because everyone will point to the trillions the fed has printed. So now they come up with 'income inequality', were they blame everyone and everything for wages not keeping up with the massive rise in the prices in everything normal people depend on, EXCEPT the very govt and central banks who are responsible for it all. And these rubes just suck it up and ask for seconds. Pathetic. Your public education system and govt controlled media at work.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:48 | 4765951 PT
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Re "I love how socialists don't have any concept of the value of work" :

You earn minimum wage, you know exactly the "value" of your "work".  When a week of work gives half a week of pay, a week on that job is worth half a week.  So if you work for more than half a week, you're wasting your time.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:44 | 4764170 semperfi
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fuck $15 - raise it to $95 you dumb bastards!  $95 an hour for everyone! 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4765068 Matt
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Minimum Wage should auto-increase in 3 month intervals at double the inflation rate, excluding hedonics. If we're going to have a system predicated on inflation, anyways.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:45 | 4764172 kurt
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Hey Shitballs!

I guess its ok if its not your ox getting gored.

 

One day, soon, we'll have to go thru the "pay your freight or die" stage.

Or evolve, and that, assholes, takes compassion.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:46 | 4764175 Took Red Pill
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Robotics are the future. They will soon be able to do just about everyone's job.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:56 | 4764206 semperfi
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hookers ?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:05 | 4764243 davinci7_gis
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Remember the movie AI?  Robot hookers are about 20 years away.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:38 | 4764618 Jumbotron
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Yep...all they need to do is add the servos to this.........

https://www.realdoll.com/

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:08 | 4764884 p00k1e
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A Cock-Sleeve®

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:21 | 4764304 Headbanger
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Two words: West World

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:29 | 4764578 oklaboy
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<<<<< Blade Runner, the broads were hot...

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:20 | 4765493 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Don't forget the classic "Cherry 2000".

But yes, Joanna Cassidy in Blade Runner was way hot. No, not Darryl Hanna.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:00 | 4764220 Harbanger
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Amnesty is also in the future, and ironically these people may all lose their jobs to the millions of new legalized workers who will now be starting @ 15 bucks an hour.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:20 | 4764301 Winston of Oceania
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Or print it...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:47 | 4764177 swass
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Speaking of Motoman, they are clearly marketing to the wrong segment of the market.  This should be marketed to married men, who have wives that don't cook.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:47 | 4764181 Atomizer
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Raise your labor cost. Watch your franchise take a 50% hit on daily sales traffic. Doors close. Better yet, unionize all your food chains. We can break the union in one final swoop. Doesn't matter to me, I don't eat fast food shit.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:01 | 4766004 PT
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We're talking MINIMUM wage here.  How do you lose money when your CUSTOMERS ALSO get richer?

Jobs go overseas?  Yes.  And that WILL fuck things up.  Unless you already are selling stuff to the Chinese.
Inflation?  Yes.
Debt dilution?  Yes.  Now who would like to dilute debt?  All of us?  Maybe not the banksters.  Except they have already lent a shit ton of money to idiots who cannot afford to repay.  Maybe with a little inflation ( meaning INCLUDING wage inflation ), some of that debt will actually be "repaid" and some banksters get to "bury" some of their mistakes.  But as long as the banksters can lend more than people can afford to repay, the banksters won't mind and the problem won't go away.
Oh yeah, sorry savers.  You'll get screwed again.  Mob rule is a bitch.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:09 | 4766026 PT
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A little advice given to me by a businessman:  If you double your profit margin then you can AFFORD to lose half your customers.  Plus you don't have to work so hard.

Notes:  
Remember to include fixed overheads in your calculations. 
The demand curve is not necessarily a straight line.
"Unique Selling Proposition".  It is called "capitalism" but if you are subject to "free market competition" then you will work your guts out and get Sweet F All in return.  Actually, that is what minimum wage earners do.  If you want to succeed, you need to give people a reason to choose you instead of everyone else - a USP.  Which really means that you have to create your own little monopoly.  It should be called, "Monopolism".

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:51 | 4764183 DIgnified
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I hate these fucking people. Im fucking BioMed and had to earn that amount; Didnt start off at that rate.  These fucking assholes think theyre entitled to what they want. ...Theyre entitled to fuck off.

 

Who's with me?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:13 | 4764271 Bangin7GramRocks
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Here's the thing dude. You don't understand the problem. You "should" be getting $40 per hour and the burger flippers $15. You are also grossly underpaid if you compare inflation adjusted wages from the 50's through 70's. You should be fighting for better pay too!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:35 | 4764363 Overfed
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Sure. Then inflation kicks in and purchasing power remains what it is right now.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:02 | 4765231 Matt
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How does increasing wages cause the money supply to increase?

Or do you mean inflation in the Keynesian sense of the term, meaning the cost of a basket of selected non-essential goods, minus hedonic adjustments?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:12 | 4766039 PT
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On the plus side, debt is diluted - both yours and your bosses.  Win - win !  (Until banksters raise interest rates.  They don't like losing.)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:16 | 4766062 PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLr5oWfoWRY

Oh, fuck me!  A doubling of the minimum wage will result in a 15% price hike!  End of the world, we're all doomed I tell yiz!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:37 | 4764372 DIgnified
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Should have clarified.  Im over $15.  I am just a believer for $1 of work for $1 of pay.  "Earn" has become "privilege." This attitude facilitates entitlement and negates work put in by people who poured sweat into their jobs. 

 

Sorry for the confusion.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:08 | 4764495 Bangin7GramRocks
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That's why I compare burger flippers to stock/bond flippers. What "skills" are required to buy Amazon and Netflix over and over? Pass the series 7. Are you fucking kidding me! Workers at a busy fast food restaurant bust their balls. They don't sit staring at a fucking terminal all day or hanging out at the club trying to get more business. Stop overestimating your place in this world and have some compassion for people who actually want to work for a living and not take governent handouts. Unlike every employee from every financial company in the world. Gubmint handouts keep them employed.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:48 | 4764556 Chump
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It's not just how "busy" they are.  They're doing a job that requires almost no skill whatsoever, that anyone with arms and legs can do, drunk.

It's harsh but it's not a critique of who they are as a person.  I've worked menial labor loading boxes at Fedex and UPS.  I also knew that if I truly felt abused, I could leave and they would have my position filled the very next day without skipping a beat.

I employ a guy that swings a bush axe and cuts line.  He's a nice guy and I enjoy his company, but if push came to shove I could replace him in probably 30 minutes and have someone up and running within another 30 minutes of training ("see that guy in the woods?  Cut down the saplings between the two of you").  You tell me, what's a 'fair wage' for him?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:21 | 4766089 PT
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A "Fair" wage is enough money to get back to work the next day.  Or you could also ask yourself, "How rich do I want my next-door neighbour to be?"

But the capitalist assertion that a "fair" wage is whatever they can get away with paying leads to the "fair wage" being a bowl of porridge and a bed on the factory floor.  Next question:  How much do you want your customers to earn? 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:43 | 4766447 Chump
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Nothing in your comment says anything at all about what I should pay the employee in question.  Enough to get back to work the next day??  How rich should my neighbor be??  What do I want my customers to earn??  If you think any of that is part of a salary negotiation then you've likely never had to worry about employing anyone.  Here are the typical questions I ask myself:

What value does this person bring to my business, and what output level can I expect after initial training?

What can I offer in pay and benefits that is within market rates?

Do I expect this to be a long-term agreement, and how do I manage pay increases.  What are they tied to?

Can I increase revenue enough to make sure this position still exists in a month?  A year?  10 years?

See, if you're shitty employer (especially in my industry) the word gets out.  You don't get to pick from the best and brightest, and if you do manage to pick up someone halfway decent, they use you as a starting point to get some experience and then move on in 6 months.  That kind of turnover can be devastating to your business's long-term survival.  If you're the type who would rather pay in porridge, you won't have to worry about employing anyone for very long.  Instead you'll be wondering if the proceeds from the fire sale will feed you next month.

You act like the goal of every employer is to push everyone who's "not them" into destitution and slavery.  In reality, every employer thinks their employees are overpaid, and every employee think they're underpaid.  The mutually agreed on balance is called a fair wage.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:16 | 4764536 Chump
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What's the point of hiring someone if their output is offset by their wages?  If I pay someone a dollar, in the end I better be getting more than a dollar out of the deal or they're toast and I'll do their job myself, just like I did when my business was in its infancy.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:09 | 4765390 prains
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 I am just a believer for $1 of work for $1 of pay.

 

sooooo, the real villians are blankenfein, dimon et. al?? and your wasting mental gas on burger kids??? WTF!!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:40 | 4764382 TheMeatTrapper
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Or you could show everybody how it's done and go out and make your own job and earn what you think you "deserve". 

Wake up. Nobody owes you a damn thing. You don't deserve shit from another man. 

I want to know why the burger flippers aren't running a business "giving" me a job where I "deserve" $40 an hour from them? 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:11 | 4765252 Matt
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They're busy helping employ government workers, who "deserve" to be paid more than the burger flippers.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:25 | 4766102 PT
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Lack of knowledge and lack of capital.  I suppose they could just borrow the latter until they get the former.  All they need is an "understanding banker" that can tide them over until their experience becomes profitable.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:51 | 4764192 AdvancingTime
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As software and robots improve they will be able to expand the number of functions that they can perform.  Technological change is leading to the automation and about to replace workers as the least expensive way to product products.  Eventually, "you run out of places to" chase the (cheap) labor," fast food is one of many targets. The article below looks into robots replacing people in the work force.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/04/robot-factories-mean-less-jobs.ht...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:58 | 4764212 semperfi
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robots will soon be classified as terrorists

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 17:52 | 4764195 youngman
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It is funny but these kids are the ones who will be the first to complain when the price of a hamburger doubles.....and not becuase of the cost of beef...labor and healthcare will do it...but it should get the old hyperinflation candle lit

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:23 | 4764932 Spumoni
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You really think it's beef you're eating there? SO many here disparage the corporation until anyone suggests that the fellow making that CEO's salary for him should be paid a living wage. Then you turn on the working man and defend your right to earn orders of magnitude more than the fellow making it for you. Fuck off and read a little history. Yes, you have the right to earn a profit from your worker's labor. You don't have the right to starve him so that you can live like a king.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 09:29 | 4766128 PT
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" ... price of a hamburger doubles ..." :

Doubles?  Or 15%?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLr5oWfoWRY

There are other costs besides "minimum wage", you know.  (Yes, I know others up the line will also demand proportionate pay rises.  I guess that just leaves us with the price of real estate and debt dilution then.) 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:00 | 4764215 Alberich
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Why shouldn't people be allowed to take a $14/hr job if they want to? Maybe not everybody has the same goals. Maybe not everybody has the same skills. Maybe not everybody is a militant communist.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:14 | 4765262 Matt
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Why should someone be allowed to work for less than the cost of living, and make up the shortfall with welfare provided by taxing everyone else?

Why should an employer be allowed to have full time employees on food stamps?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:07 | 4766301 PT
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Because the cost savings are passed onto the customer and then suddenly your competitor determines that his workers are only worth $13 per hour even though they still produce the same amount as they always did.  And then you have to lower your prices to compete and suddenly your workers are only "worth" $12 per hour even though they work as hard as they ever did.  And then you and your competitor crap on about free markets and bullshit while you work each other harder and send everyone bankrupt, all the while claiming "there is no better way!"  Perhaps it wouldn't be too bad if we could all go to our bankers and "renegotiate" our mortgages.

Because by protecting the weak, sometimes we also protect ourselves.  If only they were willing to work for 50 cents per day, we could bring all them Chinese jobs back to the US.  Do you sell stuff to China?  Why not?  Do you prefer customers on US wages?  Chinese wages?  A "Competitive US wage that is less than Chinese wages"?
What if you did pay your workers 50 cents per day?  Where will they live?  Where do you want real estate prices?

Because the free market minimum wage is a bowl of porridge / rice and a bed on the factory floor.  Because your customers are either earning the minimum wage, a multiple of the minimum wage ( and twice fuck all is still fuck all ), or your customer's customers are earning one of those kinds of wages.  Some rich retailers are currently learning all about this in a most painful manner.  Either you clamber to be one of the lucky few who service the top end of town, or you sell something that is priced in oatmeal or grains of rice.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:16 | 4766338 PT
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Who is this mythical worker who is only "worth" $14 per hour?  What does he do?  Work 7 hours per day instead of 7.5 hours?
Serve up burgers 6.7% too large?  Serve up 6.7% too many fries?  Oooooh, he only flips 140 burgers per hour instead of 150 burgers per hour, even though peak traffic is only 100 burgers per hour and lasts only 45 minutes.

Or perhaps the fast burger flipper is too brash with his customers and turns people away with his bad attitude.  Perhaps the slower burger flipper is slower because he takes time to smile and say "Thankyou for your custom.  Please come again."  

There's plenty of unemployed people out there.  Why not just hire the guy who is worth $15 per hour?  Maybe the $14 per hour guy would be better off doing something else. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:02 | 4764225 mademesmile
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Fast food workers around St. Louis protest, seeking higher pay

Ifama Kellin, 20, is a crew trainer at the Ferguson restaurant. After three years on the job, she's taken on new responsibilities but still only makes slightly above minimum wage. Her paycheck is gone the day she gets it — after she pays rent, a car loan, her phone bill and other living expenses.

"It was just supposed to be a summer job, but I'm still here," she said.

But for her, McDonald's is not the end. She plans to start college in the fall and one day open her own bridal dress shop. Will she pay her workers $15 an hour?

"Maybe $11 or $12," she said sheepishly, "depending on how the business is going."

 

Just wait til she learns about the matching employer paid taxes - $10 an hour will seem like a fortune!

 

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/fast-food-workers-around-st-louis...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:14 | 4764275 Spastica Rex
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Fucked up economy - corporate restaurant food is an abomination.

Feed-lot World

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:22 | 4764308 Z_End
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Fast Food Robots... Well isn't that what progressives are screaming for? Progress?

Looking forward to my auto burger...

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 10:24 | 4766372 PT
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Looking for robots to replace CEOs.  That's where the real savings are.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:23 | 4764315 Korbin Dallas
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Market answer to the fast-food-workers-paradise-strike: guy & his family selling a dozen tamales fresh out of the oven, I picked up 12.  And I didn't have to register for frequent-cholesterol points or finance a scary horrible clown on TV.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:24 | 4764318 g'kar
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Just another symptom of progressive/statist/marxist economics.

 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:24 | 4764319 orangegeek
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pay them in cash

 

evade taxes

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4764329 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well I guess this will be the end of a teenaged worker adding "special sauce" to a burger ordered by girl who spurned him...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:27 | 4764334 Fix It Again Timmy
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Robot hookers - aka wives.....

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:38 | 4764374 Jack Burton
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$70 billion dollar burger and fries industry. I guess if the traffic I see at local fast food outlets is any indication, this industry is on firm ground. It amazes me how many people eat the shit they sell, I know I don't. Look at the prices for burgers, then consider all the overhead and labor, then consider that these restaurants are making nice profits on top of all that. Then consider again what kind of flithy shit they are serving you in order to cover all the overhead, wages and profits and still sell at those low prices. Plenty of stories have surfaced as to what goes into burgers, chicken nuggets and what is even worse, new evidence has emerged detailing the fish that goes into all those fish sticks and fish sandwiches.

The last food I was willing to eat out of a fast food outlet was fish, considering fish at least can't be made from the floor sweeping of slaughter houses. But I was wrong, the international fish trade has begun to produce a product your cat would refuse if they had any clue where it came from.

Anyways, automation will replace workers if they seek higher wages. Do they know that tens of millions of third world people would kill to work at McDonalds. As I write this, the Italian military intelligence has warned the Italian government and the EU officially, that they estimate 800,000 refugees are already incamped on the African side of the Mediterranean sea along the North African coast making ready to attempt the sea crossing to Italian Islands  or mainland. The goal is to touch ground on any EU territory and claim EU rights. Italy has in recent days had 70,000 immigrants flood into their Islands looking for a foothold in the EU. Questioned where they planned to go, all of them said Northern Europe to look for jobs. Most would be in fast food. Italy told the EU, either help us stop them at sea, or we will let them all in and forward them north. The EU has given no answer.

This 800,000 figure is of those there right now, they estimate millions more are making for the coast with the same plan. This is a crisis that the media refuses to cover. But it will explode upon Europe very soon. Meanwhile, we all know the EU fuckers are tyring to conquer Ukraine and start a war with Russia.

The EU is a failure. A communist organization in a social sense and a fascist organization in an economic sense. They are clueless old marxists and clueless young fascists. A deadly brew.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764430 Overfed
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Whether anyone likes to admit it,most of the world is overpopulated. There are a couple of poster here who love to point out that infinite growth in a closed system  can't work. It's the absolute truth. Even worse, the governments of the world are like variety show performers spinning plates. Pretty soon the plates are gonna be hitting the floor. When that happens, look the fuck out.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:07 | 4764708 countryboy42
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I hear you about the "fish". I was in the store a few weeks ago, in the seafood sction. Thought to myself, "I have not had fish sticks in years!" So, I bought some , in the hopes of a bit of childhood memory.

I do not have a clue what these things were made of, but they were a kind of grey/brown/salt laden kind of fishy paste coated in "bread" crumbs kinda thing. Threw them away and ate some wild hog back strap.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 02:14 | 4765547 kurt
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Git 'er done!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:42 | 4764388 mendigo
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Robots will replace us all!

There was a time when this site offered alternative and inciteful info that was not available in the mainstream. The media wants you to think that everything is pointless scandal.

Tyler showed that is not the case. There is good and there is right and you will recognize it when you see it. Keep the faith. See you on the other side.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:08 | 4764496 Roger Shermanator
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Wait a second, wages aren't keeping up with inflation?  But Yellen and the Bernank have told me that there is no inflation, and that we are actually fearing deflation (despite record high food, energy, housing prices).  What am I missing here?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:20 | 4765282 Matt
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If we're going to use hedonically adjusted core CPI to measure inflation, then wages should keep up with the cost of living, rather than inflation. Of course, it is really hard to convince people that low interest rates on mortgages are bad for them and make homes cost more to own or rent.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:10 | 4764509 Meatier Shower
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I'm lovin' it!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:10 | 4764511 gatorengineer
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Accept it or not, everyday is becoming more and more like an Ayn Rand Novel.  Just saying.....

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:16 | 4764533 Dingleberry
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Not sure about today, but back when everyone was day trading in the 90s, McD's was handing out job applications with your super-sized combo meals. They either put them in your bag going thru the drive thru, or the application was the paper that was placed over the trays if you were "dining" in (using the most liberal of definitions).

And the wages were a buck or two above minimum to start as advertised, if I recall correctly.

What a difference a bubble (or two) makes.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:21 | 4764546 Duc888
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Man, I went to slubway today.  Unfriggin believable.  I rarely eat out but I was ready to chew my arm off.  I ordered a Ham and turkey foot long with veggies + cheese.

 

6 wafer sliced thin pieces of turkey breast, same for the ham, on a foot long, 4 pieces of cheese and the fukker was so stingy with the spinach leaves... 5 leaves. about a dozen little mangled black olive chunks...and about two table spoonfuls of shredded lettuce. $6.70

 

What

a

fukken

rip

off.

 

I'd be embarrassed to charge that for such a non sandwich.

 

Flash back to 1975.  Toms Deli in Milford CT.  People would DRIVE 25 MILES for their foot long sub.  A WHOLE loaf of Italian Bread with damned near two pounds of roast beef, so many veggies you could make a side salad off of what fell from the sandwich when you were eating it.  $3.75

 

Nope, No inflation here!

LOL

 

Fuck the fucking fukker liars who say there is no inflation.  I'm 100% in the cannibal camp now,  eat these cocksukkers and their families.

 

Gonna be bankster / politician stew served 5 nights a week in my homestead.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:30 | 4764767 Bangin7GramRocks
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I hear you about Subway. Soggy turd sandwich! But not a good analogy with the 1975 sandwich. I hope it was awesome because inflation adjusted would be 17 bucks today!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:43 | 4765339 Matt
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That's about a 600 calorie sandwich. Was Tom's Deli giving you a day's energy intake in one meal?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:30 | 4764584 butchtrucks
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Here's the thing.  Flipping burgers used to be done by pimply school kids as vacation jobs.  Now, with the state of the economy, its often the only work available.  Fast food joints are now full of middle aged workers who are trying to survive on less than minimum wage.

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