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Rocket Carrying Russia's Most Advanced Communications Satellite Crashes During Take Off

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Two days ago Russia retaliated against US sanctions by banning the US from using the International Space Station after 2020, and by barring the use of Russian rockets as launch vehicles for US military satellites. Then, moments ago, a Russian Proton rocket, carrying Russia's most advanced and powerful satellite on board, crashed on take off, during the activation of the third rocket stage some 9 minutes into the launch. Coincidence? Surely.

RT reports:

A Russian Proton rocket with advanced satellite on board crashed outside of Kazakhstan's territory after lift-off, RIA Novosti cited a source as saying.

 

There are so far no reports of damage or casualties.

 

All other launches of Proton-type rockets will be halted at Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan until the reason for the crash is determined, a source told RIA Novosti.

 

There was an emergency engines shutdown on the 540th second following the launch, the Russian Federal Space Agency said, as quoted by Itar-Tass.

 

The Proton rocket, carrying an advanced Express-AM4R satellite, was launched on schedule from Baikonur on Friday.

 

The Express-AM4R would have been Russia’s most advanced and powerful satellite.

A summary of the destroyed Express-AM4R:

The advanced Express-AM4R satellite is manufactured on RSCC’ order by EADS Astrium within the framework of the Russian Federal Space Program for 2006-2015. The satellite will provide TV & Radio broadcasting, broadband Internet access, multimedia services, telephony, mobile communications.

 

The satellite is planned for launch in 2014.

 

Footprint:

 

Here is NASA with an extaneded analysis of what happened:

Russia launched another of their Proton-M rockets on Thursday, with the mission tasked with lofting the Ekspress-AM4R telecommunications satellite into orbit. Launch of the Proton-M rocket took place from Launch Pad 39 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan at 21:42 GMT. However, an unspecified failure was noted during third stage flight. The rocket and satellite are lost.

 

Proton-M Launch:

 

The Proton vehicle is a veteran of the Russian space program, with hundreds of launches since 1965.

 

It is built by Khrunichev Research and State Production Center, with majority owner International Launch Services (ILS) also flying the vehicle on commercial missions.

 

The first stage consists of a central tank containing the oxidizer surrounded by six outboard fuel tanks. Each fuel tank also carries one of the six RD-276 engines that provide first stage power.

 

Total first stage vacuum-rated level thrust is 11.0 MN (2,500,000 lbf).

 

Of a conventional cylindrical design, the second stage is powered by three RD-0210 engines plus one RD-0211 engine and develops a vacuum thrust of 2.4 MN (540,000 lbf).

 

Powered by one RD-0213 engine, the third stage develops thrust of 583 kN (131,000 lbf), and a four-nozzle vernier engine that produces thrust of 31 kN (7,000 lbf).

 

Guidance, navigation, and control of the Proton M during operation of the first three stages is carried out by a triple redundant closed-loop digital avionics system mounted in the Proton’s third stage.

 

The Russians are currently using the Phase III Proton-M launch vehicle, which was flight proven on the Russian Federal dual mission of Express AM-44 and Express MD-1 in February 2009 and performed its first commercial launch in March 2010 with the Echostar XIV satellite.

 

The phase III configuration is the current standard configuration for ILS Proton, providing 6150 kg of GTO performance, which is an increase of 1150 kg over the original Proton Breeze M, while maintaining the fundamental design configuration.

 

As a workhorse, the Proton-M has suffered from its fair share of failures, none more dramatic than the July failure, when the rocket rolled from one side to the other, prior to crashing into the cosmodrome.

 

The Russian government launch was carrying three satellites for the GLONASS navigation system.

 

The vehicle then enjoyed several successful launches under its belt since the failure. However, Thursday’s mission appears to have added to the list of

Proton’s failures.

 

It is not yet know what went wrong, with only the Russian commentator noting an anomoly and cutting the webcast. The vehicle was on to the third stage segment of flight at this point.

 

The mission was set to send the spacecraft to its transfer orbit via the Upper Stage called the Briz-M, which carries out multiple burns to deploy the satellites into their respective orbits.

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The Astrium-built Ekspress-AM4R – which now appears to be lost – had a mass at launch of 5,741 kg. It is based on the Eurostar E3000 platform and was expected to enjoy a service life of 15 years.

The spacecraft sported 30 C-band, 28 Ku-band, 2 Ka-band and 3 L-band transponders and was to provide digital television and radio broadcasting services across Russia, mobile presidential and government communications, multimedia services (telephony, video conferencing, data transmission, Internet access) as well as solutions based on VSAT network technologies.

 

Ekspress-AM4R was launched from Pad 39 of Area 200 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. The launch was set to take place last month. However, engineers were delayed in repairing Pad 200/39?s ground electrical umbilical unit 8U259, which caused last year’s failed Proton rocket to lift off half-a-second early from Pad 81/24.

 

One of four Proton launch complexes at Baikonur, Pad 39 has been used for the majority of Proton-M/Briz-M launches, and is overall the most used of the four pads.

 

The first launch from Pad 39 occurred in February 1980, and since then over 100 launches have been made from it, including the core and three other modules of Mir, three probes to Venus, a probe to Phobos, and the failed Mars-96 mission.

So an emergency engine shutdown? Was the shutdown activated by a certain Fort Meade agency by any chance? We hope to find out shortly, because whether this was indeed industrial sabotage or will simply be spun as one (to avoid the stigma of incompetence)?

To be sure, if the Kremlin finds a microchip with "Stuxnet wuz here" etched into the Gallium-Arsenide, things are about to get even more interesting.

Update: here is the video recording of the first 540 seconds of the flight when the "situation" arises and the transmission ends.

 

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Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:41 | 4764383 Quus Ant
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Stuxnet.  The gift that keeps giving.

http://vimeo.com/25118844

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:43 | 4764396 Jlasoon
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Was Obama onboard?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764418 Quus Ant
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No, but I did some research on this subject a while back.  First post I ever made on ZH- and LiveLeak.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=96d_1378193672

This would be the 6TH rocket failure since Dec 2010. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:49 | 4764426 Jlasoon
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And your educated guess as to what happend is...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764431 Quus Ant
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Gremlins.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:52 | 4764437 Jlasoon
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Fuckin gremlins. I hate those bastards. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:55 | 4764448 economics9698
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Back in the USSR.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:58 | 4764465 Save_America1st
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I guess Russia's retaliation to the U.S. of banning use of their rockets to launch satellites after the U.S. sanctioned them isn't really feeling all that effective now, ay? lol

Maybe now we'll get NASA back to what they're supposed to do: Build some kick ass space ships and let's fly to some distant planets, bitchez!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:01 | 4764476 Pladizow
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Well played Russia. This will give Russia the ability to back peddle and tell America, "sure you can use our rockets, but look what just happened."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:35 | 4764600 666
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Russia should launch their satellites using their ICBMs. They never miss. Or fail.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:39 | 4764624 Latina Lover
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 USSA Empire strikes back...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:04 | 4764873 franzpick
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After this week's mutual USSA-Russia efforts to restrict each other's use of GPS data, U.S. sabotage of the Proton, and its 3 GPS satellites, is the logical supposition.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:29 | 4765126 Mistress Raindrop
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The Russians are a smart people.  I'm surprised they screwed this up so badly.  Putin has egg on his face.  Bitches.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:03 | 4765222 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Well the USSA would need heavy lift technology in order for it to fail, so I'm not sure how this is egg on Putin's face. It's like claiming you're a perfect driver who never wrecks... because you don't have a car.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:11 | 4765253 Rusty Shorts
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Launch of Soyuz Rocket from French Guiana with European GPS Satellites

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po40dT1TsrI

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:37 | 4765319 macholatte
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Hold on.  What’s all the talk about NASA and space and stuff like that.  I thought NASA was a foreign-aid program supposed to reach out to Muslims and provide them with American technology, like drones to Iran, so they could make their own rockets and stuff so they could attack the USA and create or save more MIC jobs.

I guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:07 | 4765386 markmotive
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Unfortunately this is the same country that lost over 100 nukes and has the most powerful weapon on the planet.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/05/10-powerful-facts-about-nuclear-we...

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 02:24 | 4765555 Flux
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Nukes shmukes ...

A defense budget of $640 Billion had gotta buy you at least one rocket jammer.

Yeah USA!

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 05:50 | 4765653 negative rates
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The essence of killing two birds with one stone, makes opponents feel stronger, and they didn't want anyone looking at the colony.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:56 | 4765789 dontgoforit
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Well you can be sure it wasn't the boyz in the hood, but it could have been the guys on the farm.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:59 | 4765793 dontgoforit
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Vodka is NOT a solid rocket booster fuel.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:46 | 4765178 Rusty Shorts
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There is No Such Thing As Soviet Technology

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWD2GXet2wA

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:58 | 4765365 boogerbently
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Hey, wait a minute,

They make OUR rockets, don't they ?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 06:30 | 4765677 Curiously_Crazy
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"After this week's mutual USSA-Russia efforts to restrict each other's use of GPS data"

It doesn't quite work like that. What is happening is the restriction on Base stations sited within their borders, not the use of any data. It's all grouped as GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System is the 'global' term for GPS/GLONASS/Europes soon to be Galileo/Chinas whatever they end up calling it etc etc)

It is absolutely impossible to restrict the use of GNSS data as many devices already accept both GLONASS and GPS simultaneously - As a Surveyor I use both Leica and Trimble VRS systems that do just that.

The best either could do would be to throw out the accuracy like the US used to do way back in the early days with GPS but it would be shooting themselves in the foot (In actual fact the Russians - thanks to Putin - ordered all signals, even the military's,  to be available to regular users) As such GLONASS alone is head and shoulders above GPS in terms of accuracy and will triangulate a lot faster, but the two of them together provides better accuracy due to the addition of GPS satellites.

Just throwing this info out there in case anyone gives a shit :)

Cheers

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:12 | 4765820 John Bigboote
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Next move: Russian EMP over the US.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:17 | 4765089 rocker
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At least they didn't have people in theirs.  Thoughtful Food, Eh.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 06:09 | 4765193 weburke
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Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:24 | 4765107 wee-weed up
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Save_America1st  said:  "Maybe now we'll get NASA back to what they're supposed to do: Build some kick ass space ships and let's fly to some distant planets, bitchez!"

Ha! Dream on...

Obozo and his NASA stooge Bolden are too busy with more important things like Muslim Outreach!

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 06:10 | 4765179 weburke
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Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:06 | 4765604 Lore
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Your statement seems nonsensical. How can events of the last decade in the Muslim world possibly be construed in the slightest way as "outreach?"

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:02 | 4765801 dontgoforit
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As in "I'll reach out and smack the crap out of you."  The anti-Christ is there to give you lots of food and no toilets, so to speak.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:14 | 4765396 Oliver Klozoff
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I saw what you did there MDB.

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:04 | 4765610 Drifter
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"Build some kick ass space ships and let's fly to some distant planets, bitchez!"

With 20th century chemical rockets?  'fraid moon's about far as we'll go with that primitive technology.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:59 | 4764468 kaiserhoff
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Ah Demetri, what will we do with you...,

and your family, and your village, and the little girl who smiled at you in third grade???

  Celebrating 50 years of friendship and cooperation.  Ask Eastern Europe.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 06:29 | 4765683 what's that smell
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why do you hate the russians so much?

been watching the tellie again?

stupid is as stupid blogs.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:05 | 4764478 Quus Ant
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From July 2013:

A Russian Proton-M rocket upended itself less than a minute after
launch Tuesday from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, exploding
in a fireball of toxic chemicals.
The rocket was supposed to put three of Russia's Glonass global
positioning satellites into orbit, but during its ascent, it rolled
over and blasted its way back downward toward the Kazakh steppes,
breaking apart just before hitting the ground.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/russian-rocket-takes-nosedive-after-launch-kazakhstan-6C10511650

A Russian rocket crash yesterday (July 1) was likely caused by an
emergency shutdown of the booster's engines 17 seconds into the
flight, according to news reports....
This was the fifth major Proton rocket launch failure since
December 2010, with the most recent in December 2012, when a Proton
booster launched a telecommunications satellite into the wrong
orbit.

http://www.space.com/21811-russian-rocket-crash-details-revealed.html

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:45 | 4764641 BigJim
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Pah! What's WRONG with these guys??? It's not like it's rocket science.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:43 | 4764806 RafterManFMJ
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By now they should realize shutting the engines off leads to a crash; unlike a plane, I'm guessing a rocket's glide ratio is 1:1

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:53 | 4764839 Anusocracy
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'Failure' rate of Proton rocket: one in nine.

'Failure' of US powered Atlas rocket: one in ten.

'Failure' rate of Atlas with Russian RD-180 first stage: one in 42.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:52 | 4765194 Ness.
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They forgot to add Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer before storing for winter.

I seen it on the Tee-Vee.

 

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:27 | 4765426 Abitdodgie
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Did you see the object come in and hit the rocket.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:18 | 4764539 I am a Man I am...
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yep, was that little bastard on the wing of the plane fucking with John Lithgow in the Twiight Zone Movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozW4mmKzcYQ

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:43 | 4764632 HelluvaEngineer
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Hmmm...probing my memory I'm pretty sure it was Captain Kirk.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dar2HKImK-0#t=31

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4764792 Eyeroller
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You are both correct.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:08 | 4765245 Antarctico
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Shatner was better.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:23 | 4765289 Yes_Questions
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hmmmm, then there's this

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFq7TLrByO0

 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:36 | 4764608 Spumoni
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You want to get rid of the gremlins? You gotta stop using so much gold on those satellites. Just send it to me, I'll take care of it. I have a gremlin-proof lake out back...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:53 | 4765011 americanspirit
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Kremlins

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:57 | 4764457 johngaltfla
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Our tax dollars at work. Glad to see the NSA and CIA did something other than activating my phone's camera while I wiped my ass.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:54 | 4765356 HungryPorkChop
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@johngaltfla : Please stop the visuals.  We'll let you and you phone have some private time together!  :-)  BTW: That was sick but funny.  Maybe funny but sick?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:21 | 4765728 BlindMonkey
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You're a strange guy. I use toilet paper myself and am unlikely to task my phone for that job. Each to their own I guess.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:01 | 4764574 booboo
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I know gremlins from the Kremlin played hell with Bugs Bunny.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:10 | 4765059 25or6to4
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And Gremlins from AMC were even worse.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:54 | 4764443 Bad Attitude
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I blame random bad luck. Obama isn't smart enough to have a Russian rocket sabotaged.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:23 | 4764555 strannick
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Obama isn't smart enough to do anything except read a teleprinter and say "yes sir" to his handlers.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:25 | 4764561 WonderDawg
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Obama doesn't make those decisions. You know that.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:05 | 4764488 LasVegasDave
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Mr. President, if I may speak freely, the Russkie talks big , but frankly we think he's short of know how.  I mean you just cant expect a bunch of ignaorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.

- Buck Turgidson, Dr. Strangelove.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:14 | 4764521 TheLooza
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"Did I do that?"

- Steve Urkel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2xifdO_l0

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:15 | 4764530 DaddyO
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So is Putin or one of his members turgid-son?

tur·gid ?t?rjid/ adjective adjective: turgid
  1. swollen and distended or congested. "a turgid and fast-moving river" synonyms: swollen, distended, tumescent, engorged, bloated, tumid More
    "the tissues become turgid"

DaddyO

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:21 | 4765097 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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CIA or MOSSAD. No way it could be anything other. Russian superiority in everything is a given.

Sorta like some religions always blaming anthing which happens on others instead of their book of fantasy which tells them they have the right to treat other humans with barbaric, murderous, indifference.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:46 | 4765452 Flagit
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Moose and Squirrel

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:06 | 4765612 Dugald
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Vodka happened  

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:01 | 4765372 BrosephStiglitz
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I couldn't be bothered to research it, but I had the hunch that something like this might be going on.

Interesting. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:48 | 4764419 tmosley
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Mighty nice space program you have there.  REAL shame if something were to happen to it.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 04:01 | 4765609 Lore
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Finally, a useful post. We don't have enough information here, but God knows the psychopaths love to sabotage things.  For a change, the onus is on them to prove a negative.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:49 | 4764421 knukles
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Next thing it'll be Ukraine's fault the astronauts on the ISS
starved to death

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:10 | 4764512 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Space x still goes up there, haven't seem one of them explode yet. And, according to space x in their lawsuit, they can get things up there for a fraction pf what ULA charges the govt. with their no bid contract. Total mind blower, a company that was, until recently, a 'sole source of supply' was charging multiples of what it costs. And it's not like we are buying those atlas v engines one at a time, we probably have warehouse full of them. The govt always buys way more shit than they need anyway.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:28 | 4764575 gmrpeabody
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But they are not in the club...,

You don't understand how it works here in America.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:44 | 4764637 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Explain it to me then

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:07 | 4764710 Stuck on Zero
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Boeing and Lockheed will get the contracts.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4764751 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I just had this crazy idea that if our govt is going to be a bloated monstrosity, they could at least give the contracts to the company able to do the job satisfactorily for the least amount of money, but I guess that's just not how bloated monstrosities work. Sorry, fellas in the other comment. I just don't buy into it being 'all about the Jews' , but to each his own.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:14 | 4765261 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Let me teach you something. Read very carefully:

The large defense contractors own politicians and bureaucrats who "decide" to buy what their masters want to sell.

Capish?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:32 | 4765309 Yes_Questions
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strange way to ask about one's 'ness with hats

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:09 | 4764719 LasVegasDave
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Its real simple Carl; AIPAC and Eric Cantor havent signed off on it.

 

And oh yeah, they arent semites either......

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 02:41 | 4765561 Peanut Butter E...
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It's okay if astronauts starved to death since it isn't Russian responsibility to keep them fed, on the other hand I'm sure the cosmonauts are well fed since Russia still has shuttle to send good food up the ISS. American current alternative to hitching a ride from Russia is a trampoline. Even China with their third world shuttle won't give US a ride now pivot to Asia has a new meaning nowadays.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:32 | 4765743 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Space x goes to the ISS several times a year. A simple google search will tell you this. I live in central Florida and sometimes watch the launches. Space x 'dragon' capsules take supplies to the ISS, they just aren't approved to transport people yet.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:49 | 4764422 Pool Shark
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Advanced satellite goes full retard...

 

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 05:53 | 4765658 negative rates
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I remember how easy it was to dig a grave.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:51 | 4764434 old naughty
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Multiple choices:

1. MI-6 (Mission Impossible - 6th episode) done, self-destruct;

2. False flag failed, GPS failed to lock on Olympus;

3. Black Op, as in FU Russia (eh, rockets)

4. Simply, none of the above, (please comment on blank space ____)

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:39 | 4764622 caconhma
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This is Putin's Russia. Did anyone expect that a mafiosi can run a modern country? Putin is a thug and a thief. He is a stage props president.

As for a Proton launch vehicle, it is a 45-year old Soviet-designed missile. Today Russia capabilities are based up on the old Soviet heritage. The present Russia has very little industrial capabilities. However, Russia has ~8,000 nukes vs US ~5,500 nukes. Today Russia is just another Ukraine or Syria but with very many nukes.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:54 | 4764673 agent default
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Yeah, at least the US has the Fed.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:58 | 4765364 Head_Shots_Work
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Yeah the fed sure fucking nuked us...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4765071 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Quite a delusional appraisal.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:20 | 4765492 Terminus C
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75% of all stats are made up.

I happen to have 10,000 nukes at my disposal, so, I trump them all.  Though mine come from my super secret space alien heritage.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:43 | 4764397 Slave
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I don't believe in coincidence.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:39 | 4764620 Spumoni
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"The belief in coincidence is the prevalent superstition of the Scientiific Age."

-Buckminster Fuller, UNC, 1980-ish

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:45 | 4764401 BKbroiler
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Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow.

Valentin Mironov #2: , from "The Good Sheperd"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:49 | 4764424 Theta_Burn
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Even more of a myth is the "American dream"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:12 | 4764515 Bindar Dundat
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The American dream  is alive and well up here in Canada.  

We will take good care of it until you get back to the values of your Constitution. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:00 | 4765027 Cabreado
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Overall best comment I've read all day.

ps. but while you are waiting (it's gonna be a while), you must take care of that real estate problem up there...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:02 | 4765230 Rusty Shorts
Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:13 | 4764520 edotabin
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Stop waking me up darn it!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764429 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Finally someone with some common sense among a crowd of zombie heads.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:30 | 4764585 Anusocracy
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That was written about the Soviet Union.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:51 | 4765963 Mi Naem
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Queue Emily Litella: "Oops, nevermind!   :)

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:52 | 4764435 CrashisOptimistic
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How much technology would Russia need to simply close a spigot?

All power used to come from the barrel of a gun.

Now it comes from the end of a pipe.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:11 | 4764503 BKbroiler
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ask Gadafi about that.. um I mean Sadam... I mean, wait... I'm sure your theory works somewhere.  Otherwise I'm running with Mao's

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 12:45 | 4766914 Kirk2NCC1701
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FYI... The REAL reason the USSA is keeping troops in Afghanistan and keeping the manufactured war/insurgence going, is to prevent an Iran-Afghanistan-China pipelines from happening.  And with it, a payment system that does NOT include the petro-dollar.

These 3 countries were making a pipeline deal in 1999-2000, and the Taliban had told the US "No!" in 2000.  Then 911 happened and the US used it as a pretext to invade Afghanistan.  Does the invasion of Afghanistan make perfect sense now?

The US now has the exact same (dollar-free) situation between Russia and China -- and eventually with others, after this precedent.  The US is thus getting desperate and will resort to desperate means.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:17 | 4764739 Dickweed Wang
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And Mironov had no axe to grind . . . . totally objective, right?  Just more propaganda.  Go back to watching CNN and FOX for your "news".

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:16 | 4764535 Pooper Popper
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how does it go?? Oh yeah,,

NO STOP SIGNS,

SPEED LIMITS,

"add your lyrics"

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WERE ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL!

 

 

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:08 | 4765486 Whalley World
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look at 58 secods, you can clearly see an object some from mid right of screen and move under the rocker, then boom.

 

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:10 | 4765619 Lore
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NICE CATCH. IT WAS SHOT DOWN.

Repeated for emphasis: "look at 58 seconds, you can clearly see an object come from mid right of screen and move under the rocket, then boom."

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:18 | 4765833 Mesquite
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HAARP..???

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:41 | 4764384 RacerX
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Lol.. time to make some popcorn.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:42 | 4764391 Yen Cross
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  I wonder if DoD or DARPA were testing any high powered lazers or particle beams today?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764414 Citxmech
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I'm voting for particle-beam weapon.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:18 | 4764541 Pooper Popper
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Alan Parsons Project


Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:44 | 4764399 Relentless101
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They don't have the balls... do they?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764416 Jlasoon
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I'll have you know sir that this president will not back down from a fight. "Sieg Heil"

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:50 | 4764432 Yen Cross
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   Who knows?

  Ruskies: "We no give you rocket engine to launch spy satellites, until you take Visa and Mastercard for diplomats hookers."

  Yanks: "You want to play that way? We shoot your rocket down with invisible energy beam from "stealth boat"."

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:45 | 4764405 Cangaroo.TNT
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Knock knock. 

Who's there?

Stuxnet. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:48 | 4764653 Quus Ant
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.....Stuxnet wh{B00M}

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764409 The Big Ching-aso
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Looks like Son of Sputnik sputtered.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764410 czarangelus
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This is as 100% not suspicious as Michael Hastings' death.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764411 edaguy
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Oh please.  Like the Russians are perfect and a rocket failure can only be due to outside forces.  The Russian aerospace program has been in decline for decades.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:55 | 4764451 McMolotov
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Whereas our aerospace program has simply become nonexistent.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4764554 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, they seem to forget the NASA failures with o rings and such and another shuttle burning to a crisp on reentry. 'Murika.....Fuck Yeah!

I wonder if the Russians didnt have a thing loaded on that rocket and were just testing American counter measures? It is a possibility considering WWIII scenario is about to begin in the Ukraine.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:28 | 4764765 Greenskeeper_Carl
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This is certainly interesting....

http://archive.floridatoday.com/article/20130523/SPACE/130523018/Delta-L...

Space program isn't non existent, but apparently it had problems tonight. But if you look in the canaveral area of Florida, we launch a good many a year. Their schedules can easily be found on google.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 23:09 | 4765248 Rusty Shorts
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Whatever, take a look at French Guiana - 

 

Launch of Soyuz Rocket from French Guiana with European GPS Satellites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po40dT1TsrI

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 05:56 | 4765660 negative rates
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And i wonder who contributed to that, thank but don't forget about the consequences bitches, these people did real work, not shit for a job.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:03 | 4764480 Dr. Engali
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In case you haven't noticed, we've resorted to hitching rides from the Russians. What's that tell you?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:30 | 4764583 edotabin
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I appreciate the sarcasm of this exchange but this "hitching rides" business is either a result of mentally impaired individuals, purposefully done or bullshit. The only other possibility is that TPTB are so confident of their power and control both sides so completely that they can do things like this so as to stage manage the whole show.

The entire world has seen how cynical the thought processes are in .gov. It is insane to believe that the US would be so naive as to give up that capability almost entirely to rely on Russia for sat launches/ISS visits etc. while encircling Russia with bases etc. Something ain't adding up unless I'm supposed to believe that Ka-Putin decided to not play ball at the very last moment.

 

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:43 | 4764634 Dr. Engali
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There is no honor amongst theives.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 05:14 | 4765620 Lore
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You presume that different parts of a large organization operate in unison, decisionmaking is rational, and transition necessarily follows a neat and orderly sequence.  Systemantics

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 07:00 | 4765706 edotabin
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No, not really. After all, this is the government we are talking about.  What you write is rational and I would expect outcomes that are stupid, inept, ineffective, bureacratic etc. I would say that the launch of Obamacare falls within the parameters (even if on the extreme side) of what you are describing.

I'm talking about sheer lunacy. Something's amiss.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 08:37 | 4765909 Mesquite
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The agenda AGAINST the USA by the unseen hand is noticeable if one connects the dots, remembers, and doesn't get too focused upon any one 'event'... 

Taking the 'wide-angle' view...

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:23 | 4769046 edotabin
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Right. This is no longer unseen though. I am used to having various seemingly nebulous and unrelated events adding up to X or even leading up to something completely different so as to throw off the average Joe.  What possible explanation could they offer for this? This is "complete and total breakdown", "game over" or "the gig is up" material.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:42 | 4764623 ronron
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what. you guys have a ship taking selfies on mars. usa usa how does a ship take a picture of itself landing?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 00:12 | 4765382 Rusty Shorts
Fri, 05/16/2014 - 05:58 | 4765663 negative rates
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They compare and contrast a lot, once the timer runs out on the profiling and sterotyping.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4764796 Volkodav
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yeh..and that nasa space shuttle still going strong...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:47 | 4764417 Theta_Burn
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Thank Christ for the ban on American ride hitching, us taxpayers or

a tax payer backed insurance firm just saved billions in losses...

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:02 | 4764436 trader1
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exciting for sure.

but, hey look at iran these days, even after stuxnet.  we're going to be bff again.

i see russia's future being tightly inter-linked with that of the EU (or maybe not).  depends on the whole sustainable lifesytle / energy topic.  if that gets sorted out fairly quickly, then russia gets cut from the a team.  maybe, they've been served notice and that's the reason for the china gas deal.  everything else is all theater.  even ukraine?  or is ukraine the tie that binds the eu together and further away from pax americana?

think big people.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:12 | 4764722 Dickweed Wang
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BOHICA!!!!

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 01:49 | 4765526 trader1
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obviously, we have at least 4 low-level IQ inbreds in this forum who don't do out of the box thinking mixed with a dash of humor (however piss poor that attempt may have been...)

 

why is this not surprising?

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:52 | 4764438 davhay
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I Know Nothing!!!!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:58 | 4764445 medium giraffe
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EADS built a spy bird for the Russians?  Seems a strange one. 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:57 | 4764456 ZeroPoint
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North Korea's satellite launches are all sabotaged by Langley too.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:00 | 4764460 tony wilson
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tits followed by tats

chuck plasma beam v ivan drago rockets.

testing testing 123

 

putnic will reply within a week methinks

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 18:58 | 4764461 b_thunder
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You are all effing insane...

have you seen th recent history of russian missile mis-adventures?   The success rate for russkies in recent years (during the "reset" and well before Syria) has been below 50% at best!  Those drunk f*&^ers can't shoot fish in a barrell! 

LOL...  that's why the only country they can fight is Georgia and Commander-in_Chief-less ukraine. Now, when sort-of government exists, they don't dear to move in.

If they want their shit liften into orbit, they better call Elon Musk.

 

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:03 | 4764479 tony wilson
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calm down fella.

go get your horse and clippity clop over to detroit city.

that be amerika

that be you you brokeback faggot

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 19:45 | 4764642 Spumoni
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We may have our vicissitudes, Tony, but we still have the makings of a powerful country. Russia never had a damned thing except fear and gunbarrels. Their shit has never (AK-47 excepted, of course) stood up to wear and tear. Not that I would expect any better from a racist pig like yourself.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:35 | 4764781 Portuguese Revo...
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If the makings of a powerful country are:

a) oligarch class that controls everything

b) children that go hungry

c) record numbers of unemployed or people that simply "dropped out" of the workforce

d) record taxes

e) record for soldier and veteran suicides

and the list WOULD GO ON FOREVER...

Makings of a "powerful" nation?? Stop your delusion!

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 20:51 | 4764835 Spumoni
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Like I said - we have vicissitudes. We also have the best trained engineering force in the world, and a few foundries and factories left which still have tooling. I agree with you - we have a real problem with our, ah...leadership. But look where they came from - day-care babies from single-parent homes whose fathers were jailed by the courts for not paying three times their annual earnings to adulterous bitches who screwed the judge. I'm not referrring to the working class here - I am speaking only of the rich and their entitlement, super-ego, royalty wannabe fuckups. It sucks, and as far as I can tell, its going to continue sucking as long as the rest of us put up with this shit.

The list of problems is going to get longer the longer people wait to get off their couches, come out from behind their keyboards and start engaging in civil disobedience. WE are the people who ought to be ashamed - we are as spineless as our politicians. A laughingstock who think Fox News and Glen Beck are going to save us. That part of the amoeba is just doing the job the oligarchs hired them to do - split us up, keep us yelling at each other in internetland, and thinking dumbass things like "My gold and my AK will save me." They won't. 

The USA resembles more and more the rest of the globe, except for one thing. We don't have the balls to stand in front of water cannon or burn a bank. We go to the polls and vote for the same pack of lying wolves who screw us every time. We disrespect our elders, so we get no benefit from their years of wisdom. We're fat, we eat stupid shit, we can't grow a fucking tomato. So fuck off blaming the oligarchs and the government. They are in power because we buy their cheap-ass Walfart shit instead of spending money at home. They are in power because we can't perform the slightest exercise in verification or critical thinking. We deserve what we have, and if we want something different, we must actually do the fucking work.

There are, on this blog, some genuine articles, whose intellects and imaginations I respect whether I agree with them or nnot - and there are some here I respect whom I genuinely dislike. But there are clearly a whole tribe of you flunked out nerdflops who can only type. You can't spell, write, communicate with anything except criticism, sarcasm and hate. Fuck you. Go do something creative. Build a fucking widget and sell it for a rouble to your precious commie fucks in Moscow. You get nothing from my garden until you actually produce something useful to your fellows.

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:22 | 4764929 Buster Cherry
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I can agree with some of the shit you spew forth....

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 21:53 | 4765012 pods
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I would say that many of the reasons why America is hated are the very reasons why she was in the lead for so long.

We got on top of the hill after WWII and ended up having the reserve currency of the world in an era of cheap oil.  It has been shown that almost all growth (in aggregate) since the 80's has been due to credit expansion.  We have basically been living a lie and the world has been paying for it, both literally and figuratively.

I would respect my elders more in terms of critical thinking, logic, and liberty if I actually met one that understood those terms. I am not finding fault with them as so many have. They were not privy to the vast trove of information that we now take for granted.  But they also refuse to listen to anything that upsets the apple cart they have been carrying along their whole lives.  When I tried to explain things, their resistance to even simple pieces of the puzzle was astounding.  One older gentleman got it. Out of all of the people who I spoke of things with.  At least he was the head of the company I work for, so that helped. He was also Swiss so maybe there is a connection there.  The plain truth is that nobody wants to think about another version of reality if it is not as cozy as their current one. I know I didn't.  

As for civil disobedience, I cannot follow you there. I do not see how an entrenched power like this is going to turn about and begin following the simple rules we laid out for them. Even worse, some token gesture will be made to placate many people into thinking things are going to get better, and you lose support for real change (hope and change?).

So I do what I can, what I know works.  We are fast approaching the collapse due to aggregate debt not expanding in an age of fractional reserve banking lent at interest.  I avoid debt at almost all costs. I go without when I have to.  I have zero credit.  Credit is what enslaves us. I could not get a bottle of propane delivered to my house on a gas supply contract due to having no credit.  I did what I always do. I bought my own tanks, with cash, and plumbed it myself.  

In closing, I know many here are doing the same things as you are. But many of us use Zerohedge to keep up on news, and the comments section for laughs as we know that real life ain't quite so grand when you know how it really is.  You can only rehash the same arguments so many times.  So to stay sane we have snarky conversations with others that we rarely find in real life.  Those who understand how the world works.

pods

Thu, 05/15/2014 - 22:57 | 4765215 Spumoni
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Well spoken and nothing there I disagree with. I appreciate your civility.

My timeframe reference goes back to the late fifties, so I have an ingrained expectation of journalism which I have watched television destroy (and the blogospherre rebuild). Were it not for civil disobedience, we might have fought in Vietnam for another twenty years. So many of the liberties of pursuit which 40-somethings and younger take for granted were the hard won victories of people who got in the face of entrenched power, took the blows and demanded changes. Yes, we got a lot of placebos, and many of the leaders of the revolt became the icons of selfishness during the '80's. But then, at the time there wasn't any longer a battle to fight. The population earned prosperity and technological victories which largely remain or have expanded to the present day. 

The misfortunes, as I see them, began with the destruction of the nuclear family in the mid-seventies. Conglomerates and so-called multinational companies were something new. Wall St. still marketed itself to the middle class, and pilloried Ivan Boesky, Carl icahn and the Keating Five. But as tech grew, so did the conglomerates. First they bought the media and disemboweled them. After two or three election cycles, they generally owned the legislative process, and thirty years on we are witnessing the quiet and horrible destruction of the Rule of Law, an edifice which took centuries and billions of deaths to build. In its place we are reinvented as slaves to profit - through the vehicle of debt. Your views on credit mirror my own - if I can't pay for it, I don't buy it or I build it. I have been doing this for close to four decades. I don't work for the big corporation, I work for my family and myself. I earn my keep, and I don't regard my skills as intellectual property.

I firmly believe that sharing knowledge and opinions with people of all stripes is the only way forward. I may not like racists very much, but I have learned a great deal from them. I may not like the way my Pa or Grandpa did things, but the older I get, the more I understand why they made their choices: they chose according to the information which they had available to them, and they generally made the best of what they had. We, who have so very much more information at our fingertips, should be making far better choices than we are or have been. Instead, we have done little with our new technology except refining ways to kill each other, oppress each other and poison the very earth from which we draw our lives. My complaint is that we do this for the most pernicious of all reasons - wealth. What a fucking joke. How many times have you watched a family torn apart when the head of the family dies, and they are all at each others' throats for the money? Stupendous stupidity. Yet it typifies and ratholes our culture. The founder of Samsung left each of his grandchildren some 80 million dollars equivalent and places in the company. SO what did they do? They sued the eighty-year old because they felt he shorted them of what they were entitled to. This kind of behavior, this ethos which says its ok to fuck anyone for a buck or a token of power is just bullshit, and in running down that road, we are fast approaching the edge of the cliff.

I have read this blog for several years. I only registered to comment to take issue with the racist element here, because I enjoy the argument and I really like pissing off haters. But I value ZH for its news - it is a beacon of good journalism, even if a bit one-sided in its coverage. There are also some here whose words are worth reading, because they know more than I, and they are able to express themselves. Sadly, many of them have left off posting over the past two years, and we are the poorer for it. You, who have been here for some time, are actually one of my favorite reads. Now I know why - just don't hesitate to click the down arrow if I piss you off. Can't help myself, and I'm not into bullshit.

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