Subprime 2.0: 125% LTV Loans Are Coming Back

Tyler Durden's picture

Yesterday we mocked China for being desperate enough to push its tumbling housing market (which directly and indirectly accounts for some 80% of Chinese GDP per SocGen estimates) no matter the cost, that at least 20 developers were offering the kinds of mortgages that resulted in the first credit bubble crack up boom and collapse, namely "Zero money down."

Little did we know that the US, never one to lag in the financial innovation department had once again one-upped China, by bringing back from the dead the company that according to Housing Wire was "once a poster child for pre-crash subprime lending" - Ditech Mortgage Corp. 

Don't remember ditech? Then you certainly were not in the housing market during the peak bubble years last time around: ditech, which hasn’t been in the news in nearly five years, will also be developing co-branded and joint-ventures with financial institutions that want to offer mortgages. Supposedly, ditech is one of the better-known brands thanks to its heavy consumer advertising in the first half of the 2000s – remember the “Lost another loan to ditech!” ads?

But best of all, ditech was known as a leader in subprime. The bulk of the mortgages were interest-only, low-documentation subprimes, and ditech was a pioneer in offering 125% loans allowing the borrower to borrow more than the sale price.

So just how does Ditech plan on making its grand (re)entrance? With a bang, of course: "Ditech Mortgage Corp. is launching a new three-pronged approach to staking out territory with direct consumer lending, retail lending and correspondent lending with their 600-plus institutional partners. (In all nonformal references, the company goes with a lower-case spelling.)

This new ditech was formed from the assets from the GMACRescap estate, purchased by Walter Investment Management Corp. (WAC)/Greentree Originations in November 2012, and sources tell HousingWire that the new ownership is going all in on taking advantage of the ditech brand and the clean slate afforded by resurrecting the company from the near-dead.


This puts ditech in the unique position of having a clean slate on their customer operation and experience side, while at the same time working with the benefits of an established brand.


According to Cook, ditech conducted extensive research around what consumers most want in a home-lending partner.


“The fact that the ditech brand was so recognizable and highly regarded convinced us that this was the name under which we wanted to do business,” Cook said.


ditech’s first focus will be on partnering with financial institutions that want to provide mortgage and refinance loans to their customers.

... and only then will it resume offering 125% LTVs again, assuming of course, that by then the second, and final (because this time the central banks themselves are all in), uber liquidity bubble hasn't popped of course.

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max2205's picture

Btfd!   Bubble not done yet.....short squeeze under way

New England Patriot's picture

The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

Proverbs 22:7

BTCTalks's picture

So... You're telling me I can get a 125% zero down NINJA jumbo ARM with deferred interest only payments?  Sounds like I can get some more bitcoins!

PT's picture

"Good news boss!  Even though the average house price is only a million bucks, I  figured out how to lend the average schmuck $1.25 mill."
"But the average schmuck only earns $30k." 
"Yeah, I got that sorted too!"
"What about the smart people who won't spend more than they can afford?"
"Well, I guess they will just get out-bid by our custo- ... wait a minute, did you say smart people???"
All together : "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..."

Villageidiot777's picture

"People are beautiful"


"People are thin"


"People are active"


"People are healthy"

-Johnson & Johnson

PT's picture

People are easily fooled by undeserved flattery ...

ForWhomTheTollBuilds's picture

I find its helpful to sometimes take a step back and contemplate how wrong I was about something (since I am in the habit of only remembering the stuff I was right about).

If you had told me just before the last housing bubble popped that we would be RIGHT back here with the same idiot schemes, often being run by the exact same idiots, I never would have believed you. 

I remember saying, "Youll never see nominal house prices this high again for at least 100 years".  I was only off by 94 years.

Sometimes you just need to let yourself "feel" the clue-by-four breaking over your head. Really allow yourself to believe that, yep, we really are this dumb.

James_Cole's picture

Put a monkey in front of a computer and they'll pump that bubble. Housing is one of the best conduits. 

For some funny demos of this check out:

46mins in is classic. 

ForWhomTheTollBuilds's picture

Will check it out.   The intro looks promising. 

813kml's picture

In six more years the moneychangers will be floating balloons over the tent cities offering 125% LTV on a new lean-to.

auntiesocial's picture

20.99% on your house. sure! don't worry about it! you will get that raise next year and you'll be fine! 

RockRiver's picture

This really isn't hard math.....How can it be good to borrow more than the collateral is worth?

Major Major Major's picture

The extra 25% is to remodel the kitchen for the old lady

max2205's picture

Remodel the kitchen and the old lady


Botox and boob job!    We are saved!

813kml's picture

And you won't have to worry about her new boobs melting while she slaves over a hot stove, that's against feminist ideals.

replaceme's picture

It's an investment.  Repeat that until it feels true.

ShorTed's picture

It's always smart to borrow more than the collateral is worth.  The real question is why would you LEND more than the collateral is worth?

replaceme's picture

I'm surprised they'd stop at 125.  What's the downside any more, having to ask for more bailout money?  Risk is so 1995.

NotApplicable's picture

Takes fewer notes to make an MBS package?

homiegot's picture

That's not hard math, but the other math the bankers use is convoluted and involves exponents.

JRobby's picture

Just for now until the HELOC market returns.



TheReplacement's picture

Depending on what you can do with the extra, maybe you make money and maybe you don't.

How can it be good to LOAN more than the collateral is worth?

Aussiekiwi's picture

Put it all on Red, if it comes up you end up with a free house, if it doesn't you walk away.

yogibear's picture

Borrow all you can and buy PMs. Then default.

The banksters are stuck with the loses and you have the assets.

Big Corked Boots's picture

Y'know, when the bankruptcy judge asks you what you did with the money, what do you tell him? Boating accident? Just sayin'.

Seasmoke's picture

Bankruptcy. HA HA. Just default !!! And it will take 3+ years to foreclose, plus get a renter and its the best game in town. 

N2OJoe's picture

Who knew it was even possible to blow 200k on one weekend in vegas ??

SumTing Wong's picture

I spent all the extra money on hookers and drugs...shhh...don't tell my wife. 

Bill of Rights's picture

Na, to fictional, tell him you bought 50lb bags of weed and smoked it all, then smile.



Rainman's picture

Makes sense. Housing never goes down !

swmnguy's picture

When somebody does something like this, either they're idiots or they know something.  Lately it seems in the Finance world, they know something, and what they know is that they really have no exposure to risk.  They know they'll be indemnified against anything they might do.  If I knew I wouldn't have to face any negative consequences for my actions, I'd take on all kinds of risks.  But I'm a little guy, so I know differently, and my behavior reflects it.

ebworthen's picture

I have an acquaintance whose Sister feigns cancer to milk her Parents for cash to buy drugs.

She even feigned pregnancy back in the day; six months of sticking her belly out and faking morning sickness - but it worked.  Then she had a "miscarriage" and needed money for "anti-depressants".

This is no different.

JustObserving's picture

American exceptionalism.  The Fed will bail you out along with your bankster.

Today's drop in the markets will not be allowed to stand.

ptoemmes's picture

See what happens when you don't indict, prosecute, and jail criminals...not only do the old criminals come back, but new ones are emboldened too.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

And then old people have the audacity to wonder what's "wrong" with young people. Fraud and dependence are more profitable than real productivity, so the young choose a life of fraud and/or dependence. Pretty simple really.

Nimby's picture

And who raised those young people?  Or didn't raise them?  Either way, the previous generation is always responsible for the next.  Best thing the Boomers could do is die before they get old(er).

Mercury's picture

Angello is tan, rested and ready!


Blankenstein's picture

Ah... old leather face.

Kinda wish he would get back on the scene - his orangeness would at least provide some entertainment value during this infuriating farce.  

waterhorse's picture

Yes, they come back.  PennyMac is run by Stanford Kurland of Countrywide infamy.  He was #2 exec (pun intended) to #1 fraudster, Tangelo Mozillo.

Its disturbing to see former Countrywide executives in the industry again. “It is sort of like the arsonist who sets fire to the house and then buys up the charred remains and resells it,” said Margot Saunders, a lawyer with the National Consumer Law Center, which for years has sought to place limits on what it calls abusive lending practices by Countrywide and other companies.  

Dr. Engali's picture

If those Iraqis, Lybians, and Ukranians we just liberated know what's good for them they will buy some bundled loans and finance our life style or we may just have to pull our support and let Vlad deprive them of their freedom. 

corporatewhore's picture

thank you God!

I can now get approved and buy a home after my five year hiatus. 

medium giraffe's picture

21st century economic growth cycle: lend, offload, print, repeat.

Seasmoke's picture

Mr. Banker. I refuse to sign that loan , unless it's 250% LTV. 

waterhorse's picture

and a Liar/NINJA and a Pick-A-Pay exploding option ARM!