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US Officially "Takes No Position" On China's Provocative Actions In Disputed Waters
In a somewhat stunningly hypocritical step for a nation that seems so hell-bent on proclaiming Russia's provactive actions as tantamount to World War over Ukraine, the White House has issued a statement "taking no position" on China's "disputes" in the China Seas...
- *BIDEN MEETS CHINESE ARMY CHIEF OF STAFF FANG AT WHITE HOUSE
- *BIDEN SAYS U.S. TAKES NO POSITION ON TERRITORY CLAIMS AT ISSUE
- *BIDEN SAYS NATIONS SHOULD AVOID PROVOCATIVE STEPS IN DISPUTES
So - the Chinese undertook "provacative actions" into the "disputed territory" of another sovereign (allied) nation... and the US retaliates with no sanctions, no damnation, no hellfire? Good to know who your friends are...
As Bloomberg reports,
Biden, in meeting with China Army Chief of General Staff Fang Fenghui, says “no nation should take provocative steps to advance claims over disputed areas in a manner that undermines peace and stability in the region,” according to White House statement.
Underscores U.S.’s “serious concern about China’s unilateral actions” near Paracel Islands
Biden, Fang met at White House
This comes after earlier new from China...
A top Chinese general on Thursday defended the deployment of an oil rig that has inflamed tensions in the disputed South China Sea and triggered deadly protests in Vietnam, blaming Hanoi and saying China cannot afford to "lose an inch" of territory.
General Fang Fenghui also pointed blame at U.S. President Barack Obama's strategic "pivot" to Asia as Vietnam and China grapple with one of the worst breakdowns in relations since the neighbors fought a brief border war in 1979.
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A U.S. official said Vice President Joe Biden told the visiting Chinese army chief that Beijing's actions in the maritime disputes were "dangerous and provocative.
Standing at the Pentagon alongside the top U.S. military officer, General Martin Dempsey, Fang said Vietnam was at fault for stirring up trouble by dispatching ships in an attempt to "disrupt" Chinese drilling activity.
"I think it's quite clear ... who is conducting normal activity and who is disrupting it," Fang said, speaking through an interpreter.
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Speaking about regional tensions, Fang said Beijing did not create trouble, but was also unafraid of it and suggested China was ready to defend its territorial integrity.
"Territory which has passed down by our ancestors into the hands of our generation - we cannot afford to lose an inch," he said.
Which appears to be Chinese for "from my cold dead hands"
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Hmmm....maybe China is competing with Brussels as one of the secret buyers of USTs.
Biden's family will end up on the board of Alibaba.
....that is probably the more logical explanation. No sarc.
Maybe the US's new strategy is to back off from being the global police in Asia, just enough to encourage China to overstep boundaries, purely to provide an excuse to start a major war to protect everyone else from Vietnam to Japan. The military indstrial complex needs a new conflict to keep growing, and soon.
Joe really doesn't want china dumping T Bonds to Belgium like the russkies
The next action will be very telling for the Asians, Japan, Taiwan, Phillipine, who should be watching very closely. If the Chinese starts to rev up their aggressiveness that means that the US and China have made a deal, and no assistance is coming to Vietnam. If history serves, Vietnam will not back down, so there will be war. On the other hand, if China backs down, then the US just told the Chinese to fuck off or the US will destroy China using Vietnam. Anyhow, I got the feeling that the US is playing both sides.
The other countries will watch closely to see if they're also being played.
On another note, the US has fallen so far that the Chinese can tell Obama "fuck you" and still get invited to the White House for one on one with VP. If that had happened in the old days, they would have been bitch-slap.
Whatever happens, pray for free Tibet. Those "shit eater" Chinese will not have mercy for anyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4OSqtYkNZg
What can America do? There's like a billion of them little devils. Let a militarized Japan take on the problem. Bitches.
"calm down (also known as FU), Philippines."
Obama has gay penis to suck and golf to play....he can't be bothered with trivialities...when he has important stuff to do...,
"BIDEN SAYS NATIONS SHOULD AVOID PROVOCATIVE STEPS IN DISPUTES"
Like invading it, or bombing it, you know. All the stuff we never do.
Did Afghanistan move to European continent?
Biden's family will end up turning on a spit over a low fire, hopefully. As they cook they'll keep asking "You're going to pay me for that charcoal, right?"
I live close to Delaware and everyone knows what that family is about. Biden having less than $200 in charitable contributions is no fluke. He and his whole family are just that cheap. They CHARGE RENT to the Secret Service to stay in his carriage house/guest house. Guys who are there to take a bullet for the guy, if need be, and he charges them FULL MARKET VALUE RENT to stay in one of the buildings on his property. He is such a complete fucking asshole you find yourself wishing it was him who got killed in that car accident in 1972 instead of his first wife and yound daughter.
Car wreck is too good for this asshole. Public stoning is better
The ghost of Elizabeth Edwards calls shotgun....for her spouse.
The Biden-loathing warms my heart.
Fang... you cannot make this shit up
Note to the rest of the world: In case you haven't quite figured it out yet, or you've been on an acid trip the last few years, the LAST thing you want to be is a minor ally of the United States. You are WAY better off taking up with the other side, whoever that might be in your corner of the world. However bad they fuck you over it won't be half as bad as relying on our promises to you.
We are the Amityville Horror of nations. There's blood oozing from the walls and the house is screaming "get out!" at you. We'd recommend bailing out. You won't like what happens if you stick around.
yer, note to China, though
ask saddam hussein how it worked out last time the US (April Glaspie) said it has no problem with a territorial takeover
oh wait.... cant ask him anymore
Damn, you brought back bitter memories for me, my friend. My young and dumb ass joined up quickly to liberate Kuwait. No way was I going to stand by and watch a tyrant enslave others, not if I had anything to do with it. Two combat tours later, I find out the cocksucker asked for permission. That was an eye-opener for me, let me tell you. Got the fuck out of the Army, and been on strike ever since. 25 years later I am a dumpster gourmand and living in a cardboard box, but at least I'm free and no longer a pawn to sociopaths. Integrity is priceless.
MR. PICKLES
You are free, the matrix no longer owns you....no matter what happens you've seen your way through the bullshit and made the choice of FREE man. Now you need to free your brothers!! before they kill or die for the status quo
It's going to get good when the 1776 isolationists get their wet dream & doha is broken via backdoor subsidies for Chinese NOC's. We will see later this month in Singapore just what exactly Putin is willing to give up for his Ruble-RNB cross. A weak Russia is necessary for China to pull ahead, hell: Tom Clancy's friends called this 12 years ago in the bear & the dragon.
Of course it really will not matter until the sacred cow of the technocrats, software tech is wholesale pirated & stolen for national projects. Without that pancreas of stock market multiples & productivity gains, the US never would have pulled ahead of the analog USSR.
Imagine what happened in 1979 when regional dictators believed they could nationalize the 7 sisters fields and pump their way to dynastic godhood. Now imagine that with every nation having their own private google and oracle. Unlike natural resource (physical assets), when the code leaks into the wild it becomes worthless feedstock. It would really suck if Lenovo or another corporate, say Bidau were given a stealth blessing to simply nationalize all the automation machines (and their computer code) in Dailan free trade zone. 180 years of American superiority eclipsed in 1 day. Everything from Titanium metallurgy to Google+ predictive adverts now free for everyone, and being produced at the $4/hour slave wage enjoyed by many Russian & Chinese sweatshops.
Boom.
If the thought of every kid (not just those Annon.) with a C# engine and Heartbleed scared the world, imagine having the power to corrupt Google or Oracle arrays with a stack injection. Still not aroused to stack more gold ? Think about how many people in the world are "long tech". How much wealth is in the electronic banking system, and ask the Chief Tech Officer of JP Morgan sometime when they do hard backups of accounts (on paper). What do they use to check the data integrity of those records. The threat matrix rapidly scales well beyond "threat to national security" and walks right into a bad James Bond movie, ironically.
What will happen to tech's lucrative margins when anyone and their 10 year old kid can bootleg without fear everything from Microsoft Office to Raytheon LDAR controllers ? I am going to gamble take a rough approximation of the proliferation of the AK-47. Scale that for rare metal supply and energy constraints.
If the US walks from Vietnam, expect Japan to break ranks with a push towards doubling down QE, with Treasury sales pressing forward the rebuilding of the Japanese army to fight China head on (and employ all those angry Gen X,y,z otaku's). Now let us speculate how the MENA will do: do you really think without a backstop Israel, Saudi Arabia or the "core" are going to let Russia arm Iran/Syra to 4.5th gen technology ? Hell no.
Now let's think about what the latin america's will do: want to take a wild bet on how Venezuela & Argentina will deflect attention from their structural entitlements ? Peru & Colombia.
Now lets circle back to dear old Ukraine. What is the next "natural" defense between the Donets plains and Europe proper ? Let's go back to WW II. I'll give you the answer: the Romanian steppes. Germany is the new France (1915), and they damn well know it.
At this point in the game, there is a strong liklihood in 60 years we may be looking at a purely Rutherian/Han dominated oligarchy. Neither society's elite are really known for supporting racial minorities, freedom of speech or philanthropy.
It is a long, long. Long. fall down to the Jackals. Don't think a bunch of gold bars will save you, it did not do much for the Jews in Poland, the Han in 1400 or the Romans in 400 AD.
Last time I'll post on the topic until 2016. A dry martini cheers to you Mr No Debt.
you meant panacea right?
Nope. Its a bit of bad wit.
What does the gland do for toxic excess/waste removal.
If the US walks from Vietnam ....
>> Seriously? You do realize that Vietnam is NOT the USA's ally in any way shape or form.
Fuck the Vietnamese communists.
avilerat...
"Titanium metallurgy" was developed by the Russians... actually, the CCCP or Soviet Union.
When Kelly Johnson needed titanium to build the SR 71 a couple of front companies were set up to buy the metal from the CCCP. The Skunk Works could not buy directly from CCCP for obvious reasons.
I believe the smart, and wealthy, Jews in Poland got out early. The elite of the Han and Rome probably did likewise. If not, they were either not smart and/or wealthy enough.
Small quibbles about an otherwise good post.
What about a major ally? Europe looks set to become the showdown for WW3. Sandwiched between Russia and the US, things look like they may indeed get ugly.
Best case scenario, we nurture ties to Russia on the sly and eventually get extorted via their natural gas monopoly and people go ballistic. Worst case scenario Russian and American boots will be trampling across European soil in a vicious proxy war.
True to form, the average citizen is more worried about brown-skinned people taking their jobs and/or loss of sovereignty to the European Parliament. The thought of a neighborhood propaganda chief blaring in a foreign accent on a loudspeaker from a wall of APCs hasn't even crossed their mind.
When Draghi said people underestimate the political capital invested behind the EU, he wasn't kidding. We are in a do, or die situation: Russia is just chomping at the bit to fragment the Union so it can enforce its monopolistic pricing on individual regions with significantly lower bargaining power.
It's just sad that the global trend seems to be toward more bureaucracy and centralization.
MAN! I'm running low on red " Magic" markers...
I wanna be General Fang. Can I be General Fang?
Mmmm.... yes. Yes, you can be General Fang. You have the outfit, right? If not, drop me a PM and I'll let you borrow mine.
The right outfit... mmm.... that's the one with that's all black with the red cobra on the front, right? And I get to say, "Cobra-la-la-la-la-la-la" all the time, right?
Maybe Plugs has a Chinese love-child as CEO of something over there...
i wonder what gift general fang brought for bidden ??? its chinese tradtion to give western leaders gifts that seemed like friendly gesture but carried deragotory insults in meaning in chinese
A brain.
"a brain"
the label on the jar said 'Abby normal'...
Now however, if someone proposed to make Amtrak a viable unsubsidized going concern...why, Biden would go completely beserk on twitter and start WWIII ;-)
A page was taken from the Rootin', Tootin', Putin Playbook!
Well done for a change
good boy state department, now please get yourself out of the other messes.
Dear China,
Please do not: (Select one)
a) Take those islands.
b) Sell our bonds and trash the Petro$.
Thank you,
Secretary of the House of Cards and Hypocrisy
Fang you
His son already has a job.
Gen. Fang = lol
Watching the US self-destruct like this diplomatically; at such a staggeringly fast-pace. Amazing. It's almost like they (our government) want us to fail and be seen as assholes.
Dignified - There is a lot of Kubaki Theatre to mask the transfer of power to China as reserve currency peg. China is now beginning to do the job of global cop as the USA before it. That is because the peg nation becomes reaponsible for global security. Viewed in this light, how a just recent reserve currency transfers power, blame shifting propoganda and Kubaki Theater starts making sense. Not that I endorse it but human nature is what it is and mankinds progress certainly does not go in a straight line.
It is liberating to know the truth in how the world works. The truth may indeed set one free but it takes a good long while to accept it and behave accordingly. My intent is loss mitigation in attempting to educate.
A lot of people here at ZH are still fooled by the West bad East great memo. I don't waste much time commenting on how "inept" American leadership appears to be like wasting time on Obama or Bush.
One of the commentators talked about buying titanium from the Soviets while we were supposedly enemies. Others know about military tech cooperation during the Vietnam war. Or consider why Russia is giving until 2020 to abandon the space station. Or why Russian Times is allowed to so freely operate in whatever manner it wishes.
I am critical of leadership such as not rebalancing trade with China back in 2004 for the American people. That is pure greed. Or cross-pollination of boards, financial fraud or currency devaluation to mask for prior fuck ups which is highly inflationary and may cause revolution (bad for everybody).
I am learning these days to pick my battles a bit more selectively, time is one commodity that can't be bought. Living in fear daily is not a lifestyle I choose to submit to. Hedging is important but so is enjoying the time we have here on earth. I am highly confident we don't come back.
fuck the vietnam [/nuland]
US strokes China's sack in order to get leverage on Russia. China is the game changer here, they will decide what happens in Ukraine.
from other news
Caught Live On C-Span: Congressman Picks His Ear Wax… And Eats Ithttp://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/caught-live-on-c-span-congressman-picks-his-ear-wax-and-eats-it_05152014
I call BS.
That was a scene from Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the RIng.
Now that's news!
Shortly, Biden will be back to playing tiddly-winks in the basement.
Sending troops to Vietnam to fight the Chinese hasn't worked. How about we send troops to China to fight the Vietnamese this time. Fubar.
Flounder...
It doesn't matter if it works or not cause the defense contractors still make money.
Have you noticed that the wars get longer and longer?
The goddamned 100 years war would be a wet dream for the contractors!
this is nothing more than simple necessity.
even the idiots in DC realize you can't fight Russia and China at the same time, so they are trying not to provoke one whilst focusing on the other. but in the long run (if there is a long run to be had) these meek and passive statements should be taken with a grain of salt.
which I'm sure Gen. Fang has done exactly that.
Its best these fuckers don't pick a major fight. The troops actually showing up is questionable at best. Probably one of the smartest decisions they've made.
China whatever floats your boat
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however remember Vietnamese are actaully fierce nationalists
Yeah. According to the Chinese general, drilling in disputed waters is a "normal activity." So, Vietnam should send an offshore oil rig right next to the Chinese one. Maybe, Japan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and South Korea can also join and start drilling in waters where they have territorial disputes with China.
Can't jeopardize those iPhone or flat screen T.V. sales, or electronics needed for U.S. Military hardware.
Are you familiar with the manufacturing process? After a certain period of time you need to retool as things wear out, or if the place of manufacture becomes edgy you simply start manufacturing elswhere leaving the antagonizer with usless equipment and no production. If THAT were to happen to China they would have massive riots from hungry/angry people that the Gub'ment would not be able to control. You buy our debt we buy your "items of flimsy manufacture"-Ben Franklin or else adios amigos.
Hypocrisy?
Holy fuck, we seriously have not a shred of cred left.
Turn out the lights, lock up an go home assholes.
I see it as one of the few honorable things Obumba/Biden have done so far. Quite frankly, it's a strage concept...keeping out of the business of other nations and all...
There is nothing honorable to this. China owns a trillion dollars worth of U.S paper and the bottom line is they took this stance to protect their asses.
Sthop Theasing Thothus!
He might actually do something!
Perhaps the plan is to take on Russia first... meaning that whatever China does is ok for now.
I have no doubt that if Russia did not exist or was not a sharp stick in the US eye then Chinas recent actions regarding the disputed property would have brought a sharp US response.
US wants to drive a wedge between China and Russia... and before the big energy deal is inked.
As an purveyor, and former business owner. I would have diffused the "conversation", before it became "heated".
I like to keep things "situational".
YC... How would you deal with the 'heated' situation in Ukraine, beginning now?
1 If you were Putin?
2 if you were the people that seized the gov in Keiv?
Do you want the "soft "or "hard"version S/W?
So Snidey? You suddenly appear (3) days ago ? öut of no-where?
I answered your question? How about answering mine? Why Snidley, exactly is China becoming more transparent?
And quit trying to hyjack my keystrokes!
The NORKS are getting nervous. I just called my IT guy about the "dipthongs" above my letters. The Chiese and Norks are famous for key<>stroke logging.
You did not answer anything, you asked questions.
I did suddenly appear here but it was years ago.
I type the same way as always but if you had some unique key strokes I wouldn't be beneath borrowing them.
Perhaps you can share with me what keystroke logging is?
Someone or ones must not care for our conversation cause we are collecting negs.
If I gave a shit about negs I wouldn't bother talking to you.
Because I talk with you doesn't mean I like you... but it doesn't mean I dislike you.
I don't believe China is becoming more transparent, perhaps more aggressive... probably because they believe the US won't do a anything about it.
Ties back to 'drive a wedge' comment that I posted. US puts up with some Chinese aggression now cause they have Russia to deal with now.
Maybe I didn't post this cause it was key stroke logged?
Yes. The U.S. is kissing Chinese ass because of the amount of crap they supply us with and the amount of Treasuries they own.
It's useful for the U.S. Kleptocrats to awaken the Soviet bogeyman - as the "terrorist" meme is running out of gas.
Liberals are falling over their themselves in worship of China and the culture (and Socialism).
Conservatives love the cheap labor, the big profit margins, the junkets to Beijing ("China has free markets" *cough*).
"The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!" Oh sure fuckin' yeah!
Anything to distract us from being fleeced by Wall Street and Washington.
When do the RFID tags become mandatory?
With a wink, a smile, and a free download!
Come and get it kids!
Well, an iPhone is not made in Donetsk, nor is a flat screen or 99.9% of the crap you see in WalMart.
The U.S. needs to keep the U.S. Sheeple happy, and "Ukraine" to most Americans is a "U shaped Crane".
Provocative actions? I'd make a list of the U.S's provocative actions, but there are too fucking many since this administration alone to type out, I'm not about to go back to the last century.
Mr. ZERO, yours and M. Nuland's malicious and inept Ukraine takeover attempt will require that you both soon assume the position.
In an unrelated story, the Federal Reserve agreed to buy 40 billion dollars of Chinese-made knee pads.
USSA is now China's biitch. Being insolvent and owing money is a bitch, ain't it
potato,
you're funny...
we owe money to the chinese because we agree that we owe money to the Chinese.
we could always delete their entries in the great log of debt. there would be some puckerage. and then they don't sell shit to us. but then how is that totally bad?
not trying to minimize the consequences, but it could be done.
We'll throw any of our "friends" under the bus if is suits our purposes.
We also make promises we have no way of keeping, but don't feel bad, foreign allies, as we do the same for our citizens.
When Obama let the Russians and then the 150,000 Chinese troops into the US he handed over YOU to them. You come with the house that has been sold.
Translated:
"Dear Vietnam, don't you want to rethink your decision to not make Hunter Biden a board member of VietOil?"
Well same hypocrisy as 0-reaction toward Brunei's draconian anti-gay laws.
http://nomadicpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/04/why-us-wont-be-speaking-out-...
The Italians took a while to dangle Mussolini, but they did do it.
Don't put too much on Chine to backstab Russia, cos they know they will be next...
Also, the route of business Germany, Russia and thru Russia connect Chine is lining up.
TransSiberian upbuild will beat the sea cost and speed.
These have all the engineers, tech, manufacturing and cross country to do.
How is claiming Chinese land backstabbing Russia when Russia STOLE the land from China when they were weak?
Maybe this is the last word on staying safely neutral since there is soo much corruption.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/trouble-top_791180.html
In examining the complicity of the United States Government in enabling the People's Republic of China to shed the nation's foreign debt obligation at the expense of bondholders(http://www.globalsecuritieswatch.org/United_States_Government_Actions_Brief.pdf), this excerpt is revealing:
Grave Consequences of Exempting China From Adherence to Settled International Law
In June 2005, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice observed that the United States must help
integrate China into the international, rules-based economy before it becomes a "military
superpower" (
“Rice Wants U.S. to Help China Be Positive Force,”
by Neil King, Jr., The Wall
Street Journal (June 29, 2005)). The actions of Dr. Henry A. Kissinger in excluding the private
claims of bondholders in pursuit of trade directly contravene the tenet espoused by Dr. Rice and
set a dangerous precedent, acting to encourage China to emerge as a revisionist power, freely
rejecting the established norms of international law without fear of reprisal, resulting in grave
consequences to its neighbors and to the rest of the world.
“Let China sleep; when she wakes she will shake the world.”
- Napoleon Bonaparte
Source:
“China’s Fitful Sleep,”
The Economist (July 17, 1997)
This is the same play Mde Albright did to Saddam Hussien with Q8.
"We have no interest in local disbutes "
Saddam Invades Q8 and then the 1st Gulf war ensures.
FANG "TELL OBAMA TO ASSUME THE POSITION".....
biden "ok boss will do"
The entire WH is filled with traitors.
But but but Busch.....but but but both parties are the same.....
China know the clock is ticking. Unless Hillary becomes the next president, they only have 2.5 years left to take full control of all islands in dispute. Russia has the same clock to gather together all the Eastern European countries they have in their scope.
death to tyrants
Don't want to bite the hand that feeds sociopathic whores like Reid.
Obumpma did it again. After a few rounds of golf, he went over to SE Aisa to piss off the Chinese for no reason by telling Japan, Vietnam, and the Philipines the US will be there for them if China dare to come anywehre close. So China said, OK we will do just that , now your move mother fucker.
Question: First Putin give the Nobel piece of shit prize a black eye, now China. What does that make Obama ?
Answer: a panda.