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"Feeding The Homeless" Is A Crime In Increasingly More US Cities

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Have you ever given food to a homeless person?  Well, if you do it again in the future it might be a criminal act depending on where you live.  Right now, there are dozens of major U.S. cities that have already passed laws against feeding the homeless.  As you will read about below, in some areas of the country you can actually be fined hundreds of dollars for just trying to give food to a hungry person.  I know that sounds absolutely insane, but this is what America is turning into.  Communities all over the country are attempting to "clean up the streets" by making it virtually illegal to either be homeless or to help those that are homeless.  Instead of spending more money on programs to assist the homeless, local governments are bulldozing tent cities and giving homeless people one way bus tickets out of town.  We are treating some of the most vulnerable members of our society like human garbage, and it is a national disgrace.

What does it say about our country when we can't even give a warm sandwich to a desperately hungry person that is sleeping on the streets?  A retired couple down in Florida named Debbie and Chico Jimenez wanted to do something positive for their community during their retirement years, so they started feeding the homeless in Daytona Beach.  But recently the police decided to crack down on their feeding program and slapped everyone involved with a $373 fine...

For the past year, the Jimenezes have set up shop every Wednesday on Manatee Island in Daytona Beach, Fla., where they feed hot dogs, chicken, pasta salad and other BBQ staples to about 100 homeless people, WFTV reported. Handing out meals is just one aspect of the ministry the two founded, Spreading the Word Without Saying a Word, to help people living in poverty.

 

But on Wednesday, the Jimenezes said that without warning, they and four other volunteers were accosted by police, fined and told that they could be thrown in jail if they continue their program, according to NBC News.

 

Each of the six was fined $373 and were given 10 days to either pay up or go to court.

 

"We’re going to court," Debbie Jimenez, 52, a former auto parts store manager, told NBC News. "The police don’t like it. But how can we turn our backs on the hungry? We can’t."

Don't the police down in Daytona Beach have something better to do with their time?

Sadly, more than 50 major cities have passed laws against feeding the homeless at this point.  It appears that "cleaning up the streets" has become a big point of emphasis all over the nation.

And what the city of Camden, New Jersey just did is even worse than what happened in Daytona Beach.

Camden just bulldozed an entire tent city and dumped all of the belongings of the homeless people living there into the trash...

Hazmat teams showed up at the camps in the early morning to search for syringes. A drug-sniffing dog followed a police officer around the area. And bulldozers tossed trash and discarded belongings into dumpsters before razing the premises.

 

Over the past few weeks, flyers had warned people in the tent cities that this was going to happen. Yet it still seemed surreal to many of them that their communities were about to be demolished for good.

But for most of the people that were living in that tent city, there is no place else for them to go.  The homeless shelters in the area are at max capacity, and so many of them will end up sleeping in the streets without any shelter at all...

Aaron Howe, the "mayor" of a tent city that had 12 tents the night before eviction day, said he had called every shelter in town and not a single place had room for him and his girlfriend.

"There's no available spots, and the city is saying if we pitch a tent somewhere else they're gonna rip it down," he said. "It's not gonna look good when there's a bunch of homeless on the streets."

Camden has got to be one of the most mismanaged communities in the entire country.  Why is Camden spending time and money bulldozing homeless communities when it has so many other problems?  For much more on the nightmare that Camden has become, please see my previous article entitled "Camden, New Jersey: One Of Hundreds Of U.S. Cities That Are Turning Into Rotting, Decaying Hellholes".

Other big cities that are a little bit more "progressive" are attempting to get rid of their homeless populations by giving them one way tickets out of town.  Some of the major cities that are doing this include San Diego and San Francisco...

When her Greyhound bus pulled into town 6 months ago, Maria Castillo got off with two bags and dream.

 

"Start over, start a new life," said the 42-year-old.

 

Castillo had been homeless in San Diego when a social worker offered her a one-way bus ticket to Portland.

 

"They said come here because all the opportunities in Portland, Oregon," she said.

 

But Castillo said life isn't much better in her new town. She's still homeless. A Unit 8 investigation found several cities from San Diego to San Francisco are providing one-way bus tickets to the homeless.

As shocking as everything that you just read is, what one lawmaker out in Hawaii is doing tops it all.  In a previous article, I described how a state representative named Tom Brower has actually been using a sledgehammer to destroy shopping carts used by homeless people.  Just check out the following short excerpt from an RT article that was published a few months ago...

In the past two weeks residents in Hawaii noticed what appeared to be a crazed individual carrying a sledgehammer through the streets of Honolulu, a state lawmaker looking to rid the city of homeless people by targeting their belongings.

 

State Representative Tom Brower (D) is currently dedicated to dealing out his own personal brand of “justice” by seeking out homeless people and destroying their possessions. Brower estimates that he has used the sledgehammer to smash at least 30 shopping carts, rendering them useless by bashing in the front wheels.

 

I got tired of telling people I’m trying to pass laws. I want to do something practical that will really clean up the streets,” he told Hawaii News Now. “I find abandoned junk, specifically shopping carts, and I remove them.”

Is this how our society is going to treat those that are down on their luck from now on?

Where is the love?

Where is the compassion?

Why can't we seem to be able to take care of these people?

The federal government sure seems to have plenty of money to waste on other things.  For example, it is being reported that workers at an Obamacare processing facility in Missouri are being paid to do nothing but stare at their computers...

Employees at an ObamaCare processing center in Missouri with a contract worth $1.2 billion are reportedly getting paid to do nothing but sit at their computers.

 

"Their goals are set to process two applications per month and some people are not even able to do that," a whistleblower told KMOV-TV, referring to employees hired to process paper applications for ObamaCare enrollees.

 

The facility in Wentzville is operated by Serco, a company owned by a British firm that was awarded $1.2 billion in part to hire 1,500 workers to handle paper applications for coverage under the law, according to The Washington Post.

 

The whistleblower employee told the station that weeks can pass without data entry workers receiving even a single application to process. Employees reportedly spend their days staring at their computers, according to a KMOX-TV report.

So we have millions upon millions of dollars to waste on that, but we can't take care of our homeless population?

And without a doubt, the need to help the homeless is greater than it ever has been before.  Right now, there are 1.2 million public school students in America that are homeless.  That number is an all-time record, and it has grown by 72 percent since the start of the last recession.

In addition, there are 49 million Americans that are dealing with food insecurity.  Even in the midst of this so-called "economic recovery", poverty is absolutely exploding.

And it is going to get a whole lot worse.

 

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Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:38 | 4768210 TeamDepends
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Can we house the foodless, is that Okay?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:42 | 4768215 localsavage
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One of the chosen ones will jump in with a government subsidized progam to take care of feeding the homeless.  For a not so small fee of course.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:44 | 4768217 JohnnyBriefcase
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Aww fuck it! Can we just go ahead and make everything a crimminal act already?!

 

*Unless you are a banker or politician of course*

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:52 | 4768236 Antarctico
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Aww fuck it! Can we just go ahead and make everything a crimminal act already?!

I think there is a good chance this job is already done.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:24 | 4768320 Mistress Raindrop
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My retirement plan is to become homeless on Miami Beach.  I also plan to watch the Dolphin games in the local Walmart.  Please throw me a sandwich.  How's that for success, bitches?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:15 | 4768428 0b1knob
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"Is a crime in increasingly more US cities"

Increasingly more?   

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 05:18 | 4768859 Chandos
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"Is a crime in increasingly more US cities"

Increasingly more? 

 

Yes...and the corollary is that there will be decreasingly less freedom...;)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 07:46 | 4768941 GetZeeGold
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Better pull him over.....he looks like a Good Samaritan.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 11:40 | 4769280 markmotive
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What's going to happen to the bottom-rung when the real SHTF? Today, feeding them is at least an option. Tomorrow?

With the slow dismantling of America's middle class, this is an issue we should all be concerned with.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/08/the-destruction-of-americas-middle...

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:30 | 4768634 amusedobserver
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Um, isn't there a law that says you can give up to $20,000 per year to as many people as you want to, tax free?

If an in-kind gift is a problem, then just hand each homeless person in the food line $5 and then collect it from them when you hand them the food.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:14 | 4768744 stacking12321
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haha, good luck with that.

once you hand them the $5, they are running the other way to score some crack.

speaking of crack, nancy and ronald reagan have a very important message for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhEJ8gm8aL4

(3:52 long clip...hilariousness ensues after about 30 sec)

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:07 | 4768796 heavy.metal
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It's okay as long as you use counterfeit Fed paper. How dare give them something of intrinsic value, not controlled by the paper pushers?

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:23 | 4769048 elwind45
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Youu

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:01 | 4769885 EscapingProgress
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Without the government, who will kill the poor?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:52 | 4768237 Xibalba
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Guess you've never been to NYC

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:20 | 4768309 The Big Ching-aso
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Hey man, feeding the homeless with my wife's cooking is a crime. It's like called intentionally poisoning someone, man.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 14:59 | 4771633 mkkby
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An eye for an eye.  I hope these people who had their possessions taken or destroyed go straight to the mayor's house and loot it.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:36 | 4768350 wisefool
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I can assure you. every man woman and child is in some state of violation of the U.S. tax code.

*Unless you are a IRS agent of course, who are given millions of dollars of performance bonuses for that*

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:36 | 4768815 August
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That which is not mandatory is forbidden.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:57 | 4769430 Tarshatha
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If Harvey Silverglate is concered then so am I!

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:34 | 4768457 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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That's only party it.  The basic reason is that the government Organism must squash any competition.  Only it may provide.  That way, it grows inexorably.

From the article:

...bulldozers tossed trash and discarded belongings into dumpsters before razing the premises.

 

I wonder what the average lib would say if his belongings were 'discarded'?

 

The Organism must grow.  Any that stand in Its way will be steamrollered.

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 01:25 | 4768703 New World Chaos
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The Organism also wants waste.  Waste keeps people on the treadmill, and the treadmill keeps people from thinking.  Waste leads to scarcity which leads to more centralized distribution of resources.  Waste leads to envy which leads to socialism and elitism and more waste.  Waste feeds the companies which produce it.  Waste is bullish.  Just ask Paul Krugman. 

Check this out.  SunTrust Bank in Atlanta foreclosed on an independent grocery store with three days' notice.  Management wanted to give the food away (why not sell at a penny per item?) but the BANK decided that all the food had to go in the dumpster.  So there was this giant dumpster to be filled with perfectly good food, in a black neighborhood, the crowd started to grow... and there were these fucking cops, most of them also black, holding back the crowd explicitly because they had to protect and serve the will of the BANK.  Just look at these pigs with their suits and hats, all full of themselves, as they betray their neighbors for clownbux and ego boosts.  They are traitors to their race- the human race!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZmczK2UKM

Why is it that the cops will always treat the law like it's something sacred if it tells them to abuse the weak and innocent, but when a law says to protect the weak and innocent, then it's "just a goddamned piece of paper"?  If I hadn't taken high school civics I would say that the law is just a psyops to stop the sheeple from rebelling while letting sociopaths pretend to be heroes.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 05:57 | 4768880 cossack55
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Come on ZH'ers.  SERCO gets $1.2 billion for hiring zombies to stare at porn all day?

Google SERCO.

One of the top 10 most evil corps in the world.  The Brit/Aussie version of JPM, GS, Monsanto and Blackwater(?)(stone)(lake)(ridge) or whatever their new fuckin' name is.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:42 | 4769524 tonyw
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the big corps make huge donations to the politiciabns so they can write the laws that suit them and reduce competition.

it's the most efficient use/ROI of the money, spend thousands to make millions.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:16 | 4768959 Sean7k
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So, you too, have discovered the nature of "law". Eliminate law and you eliminate the problem. The criminals lose the protection they require.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:42 | 4768216 Jam Akin
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Heed the foamless

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:11 | 4768605 CPL
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Doesn't take much to be a rebel in the world today; all you need to do is question the news, plant a vegetable garden and feed someone that's hungry.

 

Game on.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:10 | 4768798 heavy.metal
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Growing your own food should be illegal. You're supposed to either sell it for USD, or buy food with USD!

If you skip the paper chain, how are the violent sociopaths that run our society going to plunder you?

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:13 | 4768291 TeamDepends
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Is TeamDepends endorsing Welfare and/or freeloaderism?  No, friend.  Just saying that if a citizen wants to help another citizen out with a sammich OR a temporary roof, the matter is between the two citizens and the State/LEOs should butt out.  What's that occifer, you think you smell marijuana?  Well, with all due respect, you smell like Axe, bitch!  (sounds of rumbling, chaos)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:55 | 4768497 New Ordnance
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This is a conundrum. Do we turn our backs? Where does our duty lie?

In the East, great merit is accumulated by feeding people.

In the West we have charity.

 

From Merriam Webster:

 

char·i·ty

noun  

: the act of giving money, food, or other kinds of help to people who are poor, sick, etc.; also : something (such as money or food) that is given to people who are poor, sick, etc.

:  benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity

:  generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also :  aid given to those in need

: an organization that helps people who are poor, sick, etc.

: the organizations that help people in need

:  an institution engaged in relief of the poor

:  public provision for the relief of the needy

:  a gift for public benevolent purposes

:  an institution (as a hospital) founded by such a gift

:  lenient judgment of others

 

Origin of CHARITY

Middle English charite, from Anglo-French charité, from Late Latin caritat-, caritas Christian love, from Latin, dearness, from carus dear; akin to Old Irish carae friend, Sanskrit k?ma love

First Known Use: 13th century

 

Related to CHARITY

Synonyms:

almsgiving, dole, philanthropy

Antonyms:

coldheartedness, hard-heartedness, inhumanity, inhumanness, mercilessness, pitilessness

Related Words:

altruism, do-gooding, do-goodism, humanism, humanitarianism; beneficence, benevolence, goodwill; alms, benefaction, contribution, donation; relief, welfare; endowment, fund, grant, subsidy

Near Antonyms:

hard-heartedness, mercilessness, pitilessness, ruthlessness, uncharitableness; reprisal, requital, retaliation, retribution, revenge, vengeance; venom, vindictiveness, virulence, vitriol; atrocity, barbarity, brutality, cruelty, sadism, savageness, savagery, truculence, viciousness, violence, wantonness; castigation, chastisement, discipline, punishment, scolding; abhorrence, abomination, detestation, execration, hate, hatred, loathing; cattiness, malevolence, malice, maliciousness, malignancy, malignity, meanness, nastiness, spite, spitefulness, spleen; animosity, antagonism, antipathy, bitterness, enmity, gall, grudge, hostility, jealousy, pique, resentment; bile, jaundice, rancor; hatefulness, invidiousness; coarseness, hardness, harshness, roughness

 

 

If you have walked the streets of Calcutta you may better understand our dilemma in the U.S. and where our duty lies.

 

My daughter feels strongly about this.  These are her words:

 

“Charity is an essential part of any healthy community. It should not be the responsibility of big government. I have been a student of economics and socio-political manipulation since I was a toddler, listening to my Dad’s stories of the rural South, Wall Street, and his many travels. I studied economics (among many other subjects) in college as a matter of course. It seems clear to me that Federally funded and organized “charity” is not only doomed to fail, but is itself a weapon that destroys community and undermines one of the basic foundations of humanity.

 

“Heirloom, open-pollinated, non-hybrid, non-GMO seeds can be a wonderfully beneficial part of that charity. When you can grow more than enough food for yourself and your family, you can share your abundance with those in need in your community, and you can share the seeds.

 

“A local food bank follows these principles, and it is one of the most successful food banks I have ever seen, and I have quite a bit of experience working with these types of organizations. The local food bank partners with the locally owned Food Co-op and local organic farmers. This local food bank is successful in not only feeding people, but improving their health and improving their situation until they themselves are growing their own organic food and are able to get off the streets.

 

“One of the tools you can use to combat “food insecurity” in your community: https://RockyMountainCorn.com

 

“Grow not only for yourself and your family, but grow for your community. Partner with your local church or food pantry and share the abundance of your harvest every fall. Invite charity groups to your farm and teach people to grow their own food.”

 

 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:28 | 4768968 Sean7k
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What a nice post and it sounds like an exceptional daughter. 

One hint, the Eltes are not christian and they have no similar concept, except for the tribe.

However, this is not a conundrum. Just as these fine people intend to fight the infraction, we have a responsibllity to say no to the government. The State is not correct. The State supposedly serves the needs of The People (stop laughing, just making a point). We are empowered by the Constitution to demand that the rights and duties spelled out in this CONTRACT are fulfilled. 

Anything less means the contract is null and void. As all courts function under the Constitution, the only court that can hear evidence is the court of The People. We ae the only judges whom have the power and responsibiity to act. 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:18 | 4769471 Tarshatha
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Charity is one of the greatest expressions of love.

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:10 | 4768955 cnmcdee
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After 80 years of finanical mismanagement France went through it's revolution, and a radical sect of the Patriots of the day had a solution to all it's unemployed people - the guillotine.. Some books record it went on for a period of roughly 2 1/2 years? After the citizens allowed hundreds of thousands if not millions of it's fellow citizens loose their heads for simply not having a job, they finally came to their senses and put many of the elite who wore patriot masks themselves to be guillotined.

'what ever has been will be, there is no new thing under the sun.'

Finally a Jesuit Priest found the whole thing so repugnant he wrote the volumes 'Memoirs of Jacobinism' I think is the title.. and squarely laid the blame on the then Illuminati.

And here we are 200+ years later about to repeat the same process.

Martial law will be called 'Emergency Police Powers' when it is brought in in 2015 when the false flags are staged.. Not only should we remember the poor by inviting them off the street for a meal, but we must stockpile foor ourselves - famine is coming..

I have friends involved in projects to build 'refuges' made to last 100+ years in remote regions, for elites in Europe that they do not even know who they are building them for. In about 4 years or less these elite (who know China is breaking away from their grip - note the Thorium reactors China admitted they want to build) plan to launch a full scale nulcear exchange and come out the only survivors eliminating everyone else (yes you too COINTELPRO / CIA assets your not getting saved or your families so think twice about who you are working for.)

My research indicates the nuclear exchange will be in 2017. But it could come sooner Sep 13, 2015 is a very important day to watch!! Get ready!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:55 | 4769007 Sean7k
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How do you get ready for a nuclear exchange? What would be the point?

The only place your could live is underground. I have no desire to live underground for the rest of my life. I suspect the Elites feel the same way. 

While I can foresee a global gulag. An attempt to diminish populations through war. Episodes of bacterial devastation. Chemical wealpons.

Great battles where humans are decimated, while Elites remain protected in underground bunkers. I fully expect they have a plan that allows them back out on the surface and in control. 

Rather than run and hide, we might consider a different approach: do not participate. Wars require soldiers- cannon fodder, if you please. They require the efforts of an entire population working together towards a common goal. A better solution is to educate people to understand their responsibility is NOT to their country's government, but to their friends, neighbors and families. 

To the degree we interrupt the machinations of the Elites, we can guarantee a future worth living in. We might even consider "turning" on our masters and decimating them, before they can hide in their holes.

If you have information on these holes, give it out! Let The People know exactly what the weapons of the enemy are, so we are better able to combat them.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:51 | 4769384 New Ordnance
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Not only the elite have bunkers. A movement in this direction has been taking place in the U.S. since the 1980’s. Ordinary citizens continue to quietly build private shelters and the pace is accelerating.

 The Swiss have planned to survive nuclear war  for half a century. No, you don't have to live underground for half a centuty LOL. It's a matter of days or weeks in shelter.

Every Swiss home, from the mountain to the valley, protects the occupants from blast and radiation and chemical, biological, and radiological agents. We would do well to follow THE SWISS CONNECTION:

 

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0281/6710/files/Swiss_Shelter_Standards.html?1826

 

The scientists who designed the bombs knew how to defend against them. For those who have an interest in surviving nuclear events, get this book: "Nuclear War Survival Skills" by Cresson Kearny.

The best edition is the 1987 Expanded Edition with Forward by Edward Teller - the one with the bright green cover.

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p904.htm

 

 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 10:26 | 4769128 doctor10
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government at every level gets uglier when the natural consequences of its over-reach are thrown back in its face.

when policies and unitended consequences of governmental excess result in more homelessness-well then just "ban them" or don't "feed them" which is one step before an extermination camp.

Nazi Germany couldn't deal with anything other than Aryan Perfection. All else was an afront to its existence.

The Western Socialist Welfare State-when faced with its failures similarly would deny them.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:00 | 4769318 Nobody
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Of course it's ok to hose the foodless.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:41 | 4768212 DerdyBulls
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Feeding them benevolently makes them less dependent on govco, that why.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:41 | 4768213 nmewn
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The state can't stand the competition.

So, THERE MUST BE A LAW PASSED to stop it!!! ;-)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:32 | 4768339 JLee2027
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Exactly. 

The people going to court will find no satisfaction. Judge can simply hide behind the law.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:45 | 4768371 metastar
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Do not refer to it as law. The word "law" implies credibility.

Refer to it as illegitimate legislation.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:47 | 4768482 nmewn
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Plus one.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:53 | 4768496 willwork4food
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plus 10. I consider most of what they pass as self-serving trash. Ignor as much as possible, and for God's sake, DO NOT CLAP @ a sports game/graduation for these assholes.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 07:54 | 4768944 GetZeeGold
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Things are crazy these days....my neighbors had a lemonade house running. People were coming and going all during the day.

 

I finally called the cops on them....and they took that 9 year old girl to jail. It's sad to see them break bad so young.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:36 | 4768979 Sean7k
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No Metastar, we have been taught that law implies credibility. Law implies a means to enslave. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:51 | 4768785 lakecity55
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The "judge" follows the Orders of The Party.

There is no "Justice" in America.

There is only Servitude to the State.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:45 | 4768218 Seasmoke
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If A tries to stop B from feeding C voluntarily , A should be shot.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:51 | 4768229 Boomberg
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So if I follow your logic correctly, witches are heavier than a duck, therefore, A should be shot. An alternative is to shoot C so B has no one to feed, therefore A should still be shot just because. This implies that Bs are doing the shooting, therefore they are killer Bs. So there. 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:22 | 4768318 nmewn
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No, A was preventing B from helping C while A was the cause of C's unfortunate circumstance to begin with. B was being forced by A to give to C at the very same time A was skimming off the top of C's dreary existence, a profitable venture for A as long as C stays in the same condition.

You're welcome ;-)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:35 | 4768351 ebworthen
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Are you a Newt?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:31 | 4768637 RafterManFMJ
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I was but I got better.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:24 | 4768945 GetZeeGold
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Home schooling?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:47 | 4768821 sessinpo
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Boomberg                So if I follow your logic correctly, witches are heavier than a duck, therefore, A should be shot. An alternative is to shoot C so B has no one to feed, therefore A should still be shot just because. This implies that Bs are doing the shooting, therefore they are killer Bs. So there.

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Thank God you are in position of importance.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:30 | 4769495 Tarshatha
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Does "A" have a wort?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:32 | 4768558 Rakshas
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...... can we eat the A's ??

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:46 | 4768221 zerocash
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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:32 | 4768638 dumbStruck
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This world is ahhhh fucking slum brother !
It's the fuckin slum I come from.

Here.
Money will buy you anything you want,
anything. anytime, anywhere...
except a soul, money can't buy you a soul,
but if you got the dime brother you don't need one.

If you got the dime bro you suris f don't do no time.

 

..and anyway as Goebels said if you done nothing wrong you got nothing to worry about...but then what I say's is I know nothing and if you done hm wrong I'll let him know so's he can fuckin bust your ass around about 180 degrees.

 

thanks for nothing.

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 10:15 | 4769107 intric8
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Wake up boys, and stop being so naive. Our govt wants to wipe the dregs of society off the face of the planet. Why help them out while our country runs massive deficits and entitlements choke the financial lifeblood of the country? In the context of how our own country treats its own citizens like they're the real enemy, why give a flying fuck about these potential problems of society? The repubs are so darwinistic, and the dems have thrown all pretense aside and have gone full on statist. The homeless have no future either way if society really deteriorates.

Given the unsustainable course we are on in most every respect, ie too many people and not enough of everything else, i suspect theres a mighty big population purge on the way. It will likely be a world wide phenomenon. The destruction of the middle class will set off catastrophe. Many are a step away from living on the street anyways, and our govt wont be able to deal with the massive unrest democratically. Their present attitude toward the homeless is a good indication of how many will be treated in the future if you ask me. Fema guys with guns, mass disappearences, huge combustion ovens running day and night like nazi germany, who fucking knows how bad it will be?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:47 | 4768225 g speed
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maybe Jemenez should have handed out old Chinese Norincos and a few clips of 240 grain +p ----instead of hot dogs--just sayin--

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:51 | 4768233 navy62802
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The reason that this is being outlawed is that it attracts crime. It's kind of like feeding stray animals, which is also illegal. And to be sure, I'm simply pointing out the supposed logic.

It does make a very bold and unflattering statement about American culture ... which is that by implication we view homeless people as stray animals. I personally do not feel that this is something that is morally justifiable. Which further means that the law, itself, has become immoral (and not just in this instance). Which sparks the question "should I honor the law?" It is a question that too few people ask of themselves. Personally, if I weren't an ass hole and refused to help the poor, I would probably just continue feeding the homeless until I were arrested. But then again, I'm an ass hole so I don't do that.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:33 | 4768342 Tulpa
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The same motivations apply as in the case of stray animals.  Recognizing that fact is not uncompassionate at all -- if you feed people for free, you're going to attract a lot of people (many of whom are not even homeless or unable to afford food).  Plenty of crooks make a good living begging during the day and mugging at night.  Are these folks demanding proof of homelessness?  

Note that no one is being arrested for "giving food to a homeless person" as leftist Mr. Snyder frames it.  The people who are running afoul of the law are setting up mass feedings, which interfere with other people's right to use the park or sidewalk that they set it up in.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:49 | 4768569 chemystical
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"no one is being arrested for "giving food to a homeless person" as leftist Mr. Snyder frames it. The people who are running afoul of the law are setting up mass feedings, which interfere with other people's right to use the park or sidewalk that they set it up in."

From the tenor or your post I presume that your support these laws and the putative purpose that you suggested.  These locales presumably already have laws against unlawful assembly and against obstructing public thoroughfares...so why do they need another law to curtail that same behavior?  It's the same logic that you perhaps have used in decryng hate crime laws: "It's already against the law to murder someone; so why is it more against the law to call him a nigger while doing so?"

Might one argue that your "other people" who are would-be sidewalk users are likewise interfering with the rights homeless and the organizers to use those same sidewalks?

It's ok for 10,000 people to gather at the beach - being attracted by the sun and surf and sand, but not for an extra 250 to gather there - being attracted by a group of volunteers handing out hotdogs???  Lighten up Francis.

Don't get me wrong - I think that hate crimes are a crock of shit, but I am in fact curious as to whether you have used or support the "it's already a crime argument".

I'd also very much like to read the studies that suggest there is an increase in crime when people opt to feed the homeless.

P.S. Do you agree that it should be against the law to put a quarter in someone else's expired parking meter?  ..to flash your lights at oncoming traffic to warn them of a cop running revenue enhancement, er, radar up ahead?   Questions like these probably make a good litmus test of the extent to which we are apparatchiks and useful idiots.

Revolution: some assembly required.  Suitable for ages 1 to 100.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:59 | 4768588 chemystical
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"Note that no one is being arrested for "giving food to a homeless person" as leftist Mr. Snyder frames it. The people who are running afoul of the law are setting up mass feedings"

I'll need to check on the veracity of your first statement, but I'd happily wager my 401K that your blanket statement is wrong.

As to the latter, what you are suggesting is that there is selective enforcement of the law.  I've been reading them on-line since my initial reply, and in most of them see little to nothing to prevent a cop from arresting yuou for handing out 1 burger to 1 homeless person.  Selective enforcement of laws leads to corruption and abuse.  "Oh, she's a cute 20-yr old; I'll let her off with a warning because she flirted with me.  The guy an hr ago was 50 and, well, I do have a quota to meet."  OR "Well, the guys blocking the entrance to the polling place and menacingly brandishing clubs were Black Panthers, so I'll tell my lackeys taht wee decline to prosecute."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:55 | 4768788 lakecity55
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When the "law" is Immoral, only the Immoral support the "Law."

"America" has become an Immoral country, ruled by Evil, submersed in Immorality.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:50 | 4768825 sessinpo
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navy62802          The reason that this is being outlawed is that it attracts crime. It's kind of like feeding stray animals, which is also illegal. And to be sure, I'm simply pointing out the supposed logic.

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Thanks for another argument against most types of welfare, government sponsored or not.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:33 | 4768973 TeamDepends
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"The reason that this is being outlawed is that it attracts crime."  Government not only attracts crime, it creates it.  So by that logic.... 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:54 | 4768241 Chief Wonder Bread
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I've been reading Hard Times by Studs Terkel about the 1930s. What a difference in how the down-and-out were treated then compared to now. This country is truly fucked. Things will not end well.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:47 | 4768820 August
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Living in 2014 America is like living in a toilet bowl and hoping that, one day, somebody will flush.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:16 | 4769040 Incubus
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"...the only way to fix it is to flush it all away..."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 06:02 | 4768883 cossack55
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Ever notice how the republocrats never seem to mention the WPA or the CCC?  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:31 | 4769499 FredFlintstone
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That is a great book. Read in in December 1999 while on vacation wondering what it might be like when the effects of Y2K hit. Ha ha.
One of the sadest parts was the baby who died of starvation while traveling with mom and dad on a train with a group of hobos. The father was too proud to accept the milk offered by others. I wondered if the wife ever forgave him and if he was able to live with his decision. Another interesting thing was hobos would mark houses as to whether the owner was likely to give you food or not.
I think the difference is that at that time we were more homogeneous and most people wanted to work. Now we cannot always see ourselves in others and we have lost empathy.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 16:10 | 4771735 Chief Wonder Bread
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You're right, people had difficulty accepting charity. Each person blamed the economic disaster on himself/herself; they took it personally, not realizing at first that it was a national disaster for which they bore no share of the blame.

I've had second thoughts since I posted my comment of what I was trying to say. I don't know that people are any less empathetic today. What has changed is we live in a cruel system of petty rules and regulations intentionally or not designed to grind people down. I mean how screwed up is it that people who want to do charitable works are busted by the cops for some triviality? This type of thing didn't happen back then.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:54 | 4768242 Gunga
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Stop feeding the beast that seeks to enslave us. Withdraw from international financial institutions, patronize locally ownned shops, stores and restaurants. Keep your money local.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:01 | 4768261 Ban KKiller
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Buy used. Join the black market. It is free to join.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:13 | 4768526 willwork4food
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Funny that in the land of the free, we have come to that statement.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:56 | 4768789 Bloody Muppet
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Funny that in the land of the free, we have come to that statement.

 

Funnier that people still believe all the 'Land of the Free' crock. It isn't, if you're hard of thinking.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:37 | 4768647 RafterManFMJ
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eBay, Craigslist and Ye Olde Farmer's Market for ye win.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:56 | 4768245 Spastica Rex
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It would be so much better for those left if most of us just died.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:03 | 4768247 TungstenBars
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USA USA USA!!!

I'd rather live in Russia, China, Iran. 

The states are a fucking shithole. Burn baby burn

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:57 | 4768251 BrosephStiglitz
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When will the wealthy realize that it isn't wise to crap in their own back yards?  The notion that the impoverished masses can somehow be swept aside and ignored is both odious and foolish.  It is a social experiment that is destined to end in tears.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:09 | 4768281 El Vaquero
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No shit.  They've got to be somewhere, and the NIMBY approach makes them somebody else's problem. 

 

I had a guy come up to me a couple of months ago and asked if I knew where he could get a blanket because he was tired of being cold.  He did not ask for money, just a fucking blanket.  I would have given him one if I had had one.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 01:04 | 4768687 Serenity Now
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That is kind of you, and I'd probably give him a blanket too, if I had one.  But we also need to consider that in most (not all) cases, had you offered him work in exchange for $20 so he could go to Walmart and buy a blanket, he would have walked away.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 01:52 | 4768724 El Vaquero
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I think times are changing.  I think that that is still mostly true.  But I also think that we are going to see times where the idea that the homeless are there by choice isn't true.  I do not believe that this guy deserved what he was experiencing.  He was very desperate, yet he only asked for a blanket.  But the idea that there are jobs to be had is bullshit on average.  I know exceptions to this, and I still say that the idea is bullshit.  I think this guy's plight was real, and we are going to start seeing more like him.  He belonged on ZH, but instead he was on the streets. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:39 | 4768773 Serenity Now
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Well, I don't want to argue.  You were there with the guy....I wasn't.  I hope you read my longer post on page 3 or so.  I don't think most homeless are there by choice.  But we have a serious problem with a beggar society....much worse than a homeless crisis, IMHO.  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:05 | 4769021 Sean7k
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Sure you do or you wouldn't have replied. 

There was a time when businesses were local and thus small enough to offer a person some work. There was a time when no regulations existed nor liability incurred by offering a person a days work so they feed themselves. However, the State and corporate America have destroyed that Country and put a prison in its' place.

The "beggar's society" is the result of these policies. Eliminate the State and you can eliminate the beggar's societies.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:53 | 4769089 PeakOil
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Word.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:28 | 4769043 El Vaquero
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What I am saying is that you are going to have to give up a lifetime of conditioning.  The economy is not getting better, jobs are barely being created at the rate of population growth, and the next financial downturn, people are going to get hit hard.  Look at all of the bullshit financial lies around us, and understand that shit is going to get much worse.  The guy had no source of food but what people gave him, no shelter, no security, and all he asked me for was a fucking blanket.  Not an unreasonable request, considering that we had a couple of freezes since then.  He asked for what he needed, not beer, not drugs, but a real human need.  He wasn't the bum that we all remember being hit by in years past.  He was different, and in the future, we will see more like him. 

 

We are in a papered over depression, and the problems that led to it have not been fixed. There are going to be real human costs to this, and you had better be ready to face them in their true, honest glory.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:52 | 4769078 BrosephStiglitz
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x

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 10:17 | 4769079 BrosephStiglitz
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@Serenity I'm sorry but I just don't buy this, who would turn down a wage like that?  Look around at the world today.. it's not exactly like the 1980s, or the 1990s, or the 2000s.  The global economy is contracting and it is still in its early stages.  People aren't capable of taking work because the cost of living is through the roof.  Breaking even is a chore for 90% of graduates post 2006 because the average cost of living is elevated through taxes, interest payments on loans, rent, etc.  and real wages are falling.  Those are the graduates.  You know, the people who chose to participate in the paper game.  Imagine what the people with highschool diplomas or no education are faced with.

It is absolutely shameful that people hold that opinion, and that is coming from a free-market capitalist (me).  At some point the inequality will hit a critical mass and there will either be silence, or jeers and derision from the individuals with wealth.  And at that point we will enter one of the bloodiest chapters of civil unrest in history.

I reiterate that people (particularly the ultra-wealthy) have a distinct inability to recognize that crime is not a way of life for a financially insecure individual, but an act of desperation.  When people choose to wall themselves off from these problems they destabilize the entire region where they live.

I worked in the private sector through the Arab Spring and believe me, when stability goes, everything goes.  Markets shrink.  Businesses get torched for no logical reason.  Supply lines get disrupted.  Insuring shipments becomes almost impossible and security costs become enormous for the government.  THAT is the path that the US is on today, and the wealthier individuals are sleepwalking along it.

Edit: And perhaps the most tragic thing in this entire equation, is the ability of the powerful to obsfuscate the reality of the situation and drive for even MORE government.  

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:57 | 4768252 DriveByLurker
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Okay, I get that it's a crime to give them food.  Can I give them fortified wine?

 

What about meth and baseball bats and a map to the mayor's house?

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:06 | 4768253 Ness.
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If people are restricted from feeding the homeless out of the kindness of their heart's, who will that leave to feed these people?  

Ohhh.. 

.gov to the rescue.

"I give you a house, I feed you, I give you free phones and free access to the interweb.  Shit, I even give you money back for taxes you don't even pay.  I'll pay for your kids, hell, I'll even pay for you to not have kids.  For chirssake's Rosa, you  can already ride the bus for free.  Fuck me, you don't even have to appear like you're even LOOKING for a job anymore  and I'll STILL give you more money.  What else do I have to give you to vote for me again!?"  ~ B. Obama 2016.

 

This shit is getting worse than I could have even imagined.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:00 | 4768791 lakecity55
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The "homeless" will be the first to be fed into the Ovens.

Their ashes will cover the Fruited Plains.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 20:59 | 4768256 Ban KKiller
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What did God ask Cain? Where is Abel? "Golly gee, am I my brother's keeper? God said "Of course you are you stupid twit". Or words to that effect. We are here on earth to help each other, I kid you not. But, good deeds are frowned upon by the oligarchy who prefers that you pull yourself up by your boot straps. Tough shit if you have no boots. 

Fucking fascists are everywhere! More laws = more crimes=private prisons being filled up. I ask again...is Greenwich fireproof? 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:12 | 4768286 Oldwood
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Is it helping people feeding them, clothing them, or finding them productive employment so they might care for themselves. Most of these homeless are long term chronic. While the economy is not their fault, it is obvious that simply feeding them is not going to be a solution. If someone was feeding bears on your back porch, how would you respond? Many of these people are not going to be your friend. Its easy to be generous and caring when its not in your back yard.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:22 | 4768758 StychoKiller
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When it takes yer entire social security check to buy one cup of coffee, you better fall to your knees and plead for sustenance, and hope that no one has your "I got mine, so go piss up a rope" attitude.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:07 | 4769562 Tarshatha
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"Is it helping people feeding them, clothing them, or finding them productive employment so they might care for themselves."

Well; if they're hungry, without clothing and without work, yes it is.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:14 | 4768520 nmewn
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That is my red, I want to know that and I want to make one thing very clear to you, I am no saint, far from it.

If you're going to "use" God, you need to understand something and quit repeating these stupid idiotic HuffPo talking points here.

"What did God ask Cain? Where is Abel? "Golly gee, am I my brother's keeper? God said "Of course you are you stupid twit". Or words to that effect."

God already knew Cain murdered his brother, cuz, ya know, He is God, He was testing whether or not Cain would lie to Him. YOU chose to obfuscate/lie about the lesson of Cain.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:23 | 4768759 StychoKiller
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You should read "The Armegeddon Conspiracy," by M. Hockney for the Gnostic view on the Cain/Abel story.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:42 | 4768776 Serenity Now
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Why?

Why don't you Leftists ever make a point rather than tell someone else what to do?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 07:59 | 4768947 GetZeeGold
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They don't want to think.....they just want power.

 

They'd rather just put your back to a wall and shoot you....but we're not quite there yet. Oh for the days of Mao, Adolf, Stalin, and Che!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:42 | 4768988 TeamDepends
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Gotta crack a few eggs to make a Progressive Omelette.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4769026 Ban KKiller
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You are correct. I cannot interpret ANY  higher being. No one can...

Religion is intentional confusion and control?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:50 | 4769081 nmewn
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Well, there are very few that I know of that intentionally confuse people and as long as we keep the state separate from religion, it is a voluntary path. "Something" controls your wants, desires, needs now...doesn't it? Call it morality or ethics or whatever you want but you have "faith" and the expectation that others will treat you the same, undoubtedly a good thing.

Unless we're gonna go all animalistic, where people have no compassion and look at each other as food. No right or wrong in the minds of animals, no concept of theft or killing, its just a means to their end.

If it (religion) gives people some comfort or solace or proper guidance or peace in how we interact with each, I don't see a problem with it. But it is a function of the soul (you're inner self aligned with the outer shell) not men or kings or priests that make it, these outward things have no domain over your soul.

Men or animals can only kill you once ;-)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 11:22 | 4769235 acetinker
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nme, I'm sure some will read this and assume I'm a God-denying athiest... oh well.  Just wanted to add that religion is not benign in my view.  You see, if people truly believe that that all is pre-ordained and that all they have to do is wait for 'the second coming' or some such, it actually absolves them of responsibility to take meaningful action...and empowers the tyrant(s).

My $.02.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:08 | 4769456 nmewn
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The apostles were not pacifists, if thats what you mean. I think a high priests slave lost an ear to a sword in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Interesting that a "high priest" would have slaves as well ;-)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4770325 Oldwood
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Religion is like government in that way. It can provide a positive framework for living. It is when people abandon their own personal responsibility for action and become subservient to the "higher power" that things start unwinding.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:40 | 4770540 acetinker
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It's a conundrum.  We absolutely are subservient to a higher power, and it's when we fail to realize this that everything goes to shit.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 10:33 | 4769152 Clever Name
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Being "God" and all, would "he" also have known what Cains response would be?

Yes, I'm being a smartass. Free will and all? Does free will trump the omniscience?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:53 | 4769421 nmewn
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"Being "God" and all, would "he" also have known what Cains response would be?"

I would say yes, He did.

But free will doesn't necessarily go without consequence either does it? And no it doesn't trump omniscience. Everyone has freewill, its what you do with it that counts.

Cain was jealous (strike one) and lured his younger brother by deception (strike two) into the field he tended where he murdered his younger brother Abel (strike three) because he was mad (strike four but sill swingin...lol) that God accepted Abels sacrifice over Cain's...then he lied to God (strike five) by saying "I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?”

He most certainly did know where Abel was, he was in the field, right where he left him...dead.

This was all done by Cains own free will, he could have powered down at any time, he chose not to...free will.

Thats why I get pissed when someone brings up "Am I my brothers keeper?" It is the voice of a deciever and of a murderer, who clearly was not his brothers keeper, was he? ;-)

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:01 | 4768262 Oldwood
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We all want to think we are compassionate. My wife sees coyotes on our land and wants to feed them. I explain that if she does we will have more and they will likely start killing our pets forcing me to kill them. We have had posting in all the major parks of the west warning us to not feed the bears for many years. Is this because we hate bears or are just not interested in bear hunger? I say all of this because I want to be compassionate. I give to charities that help the poor, but do I want them living in my yard. These cities have largely created these problems by providing assistance and when the problem becomes overwhelming they are forced to provide even more or go hostile on them. Sanctuary cities have it the worst and as communities around the country ramp up this relocation policy, those most giving will be crushed with the demand. We know what the real issue is and its not a lack of compassion or charity. Its the failed policies of our government that have killed our economy. It is dying, rotting away like Krokodil, eating our flesh while we beg for more of the drug that is killing us.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:04 | 4768600 El Vaquero
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My version of charity would be to have a plot of land set aside with bunk houses and facilities where the homeless get to produce their own food.  You're not going to save the homeless who are homeless because they're crazy and you're not going to save the drug addicts with this method of charity, but give the rest an "If you want to eat, you have to produce the food" option, and many will take it.  It would probably give a few of them something to take pride in even.  And if we could get the USDA and local governments to back the fuck down about regulating the shit out of (and into, in some cases,) our food supply, it would provide them with skills for future employment at local farms.  The problem is that local and federal government agencies have to "make sure our food is safe" and fuck you if you want a choice between USDA approved and local.  I would bet a silver dollar that government would be a major impediment to this kind of charity for this reason.

 

But in the end, if these people are on the streets and we treat them like animals, they will eventually start acting like animals. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 01:10 | 4768695 Serenity Now
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I like your idea and your level of thoughtfulness, and I hate to be cynical, but I don't think anybody would show up. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 01:59 | 4768730 intric8
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Have them work the call center business in exchange for room board and meals. Win win. Take a huge plot of land, put up some basic dwellings and do it somebody

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:15 | 4768747 El Vaquero
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but I don't think anybody would show up.

 

Be cynical all you want.  The mentally ill are a separate problem.  The drug addicts should be given a chance IMO, but whatever.  But give somebody the choice between starving to death and producing their own food?  See what happens. And yes, voluntary starvation is part of what we need.  The whole point is "show up or starve."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:11 | 4769032 Sean7k
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There are cities that have provided land for the purpose of growing your own food and the land is fully used. You have a very valid idea.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:42 | 4770346 Oldwood
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Have you ever had employees? I have for forty years and I must say there are a lot that will barely show up for a paycheck. There will always be those who "will work for food" and those who only say they will, and those who will tell you to fuck off. Would it be safe to assume that those who are unemployed and homeless might statistically represent the "less productive" amongst us? Not all, but say a significant percentage? The progressive amongst us will bristle at the thought of stereotyping anyone. If there is one in a thousand that does not fit the stereotype, then you cannot draw any conclusions from it. Something like say "illegal immigrants break the law out of love" or such is perfectly acceptable however.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:53 | 4768664 RafterManFMJ
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Your post ... So melancholy and insightful.

But if we continue to feed the Banksters with our debt, the Military/Industrial complex with our tax dollars and volunteer soldier bodies, and the Hypnotically Demonic mass media with our eyes and cable subscription fees...

...most of us are complicit and it's only a matter of degree ...

Are you willing to do what you can, everything you can?

'tis hard to extricate yourself from the Matrix; and yet the definition of manhood is doing what is right, not what is easy or popular.

So...what's it gonna be?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:48 | 4770364 Oldwood
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The government is the most dangerous "bear in the woods" of them all. If we should try to withhold our gratuities we will see a level of viciousness a real bear would only dream of.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 04:00 | 4768831 August
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>>>I give to charities that help the poor, but do I want them living in my yard.

The ZH crowd being pretty sophisticated and all, I'd urge you to direct your charitable giving to those organizations which do provide food, housing etc. to the local homeless.  It certainly helps me feel better when I refuse to give spare change to panhandlers.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 06:08 | 4768885 cossack55
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ALL of my donations/time/efforts go to various animal rescue groups.  Fuck humans.  I have never, ever been taxed or arrested by a dog.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:05 | 4768268 atthelake
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We were in San Francisco and a homeless man tried to mug us. He didn't succeed but that's, probably, why cities want to get rid of them. There are 2 sides to everything. We never went back to San Francisco.

 

Any chance we can put some of these politiicians out of work, in November? In both parties. They're all being paid off. 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:38 | 4768355 kchrisc
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The challenge is seeing, and realizing, that the homeless man is a symptom of what ails us--big criminal government and the thieving banksters.

That the criminals of government are now using their violence to suppress the feeding of their victims is just evidence to the same.

 

"My guillotine will one make it's home where they make their thefts."

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:38 | 4768356 Tulpa
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San Francisco is basically a third world country at this point, except everything costs 3x as much as it does in the rest of the US.  How the heck the leftists managed to create that situation is beyond me.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:01 | 4768592 Renewable Life
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I just spent the day in SF this week and some of my friends from college that have lived there for decades were saying the big joke around town is........

San Francisco is the Capital City in the Movies "The Hunger Games" now!!
It's gone completely insane!! The wealth gap is mind bending, another friend just sold a shithole house in Bernal Heights (not a nice or fancy part of SF) for 1.1 million cash, as is, close in 7 days!! 2400 sq ft! He bought it during the last bubble in 2006 for $500,000, that should give people a window into what's going on in SF right now!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:28 | 4768764 StychoKiller
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One looonnng 8.0 earthquake would clarify a lot of priorities.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:05 | 4768794 lakecity55
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San Francisco is the Model for the rest of Amerika.

Sodomy, Atheism, and the Denial of the Natural Rights of Man.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:07 | 4768274 kchrisc
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Feed homeless: Fines and jail.

Steal $billions from client accounts: "May I take your coat sir?"

And regarding "homelessness--Jefferson may not have said it, but who cares, it means what it means:


If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered --Thomas Jefferson

 

"Land of the Corzine free, and home of the homeless."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:28 | 4769057 Snoopy the Economist
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+ 100

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:12 | 4768287 tuttisaluti
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is it a crime to invite a homeless to an burger king??

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:40 | 4768364 Tulpa
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No it's not.  Don't fall for Snyder's dishonest leftist tripe.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:56 | 4768668 Terminus C
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true, but it is illegal to feed them, Burger King is poisoning them, so the gov't doesn't mind.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 00:59 | 4768675 RafterManFMJ
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Hey fucktoon you ever eat tripe? I have many, many times and inherited the pressure cooker and the scrapers to prepare it so fuck you looking down on real men who can, and do prepare and eat delicious tripe.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:18 | 4768296 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It is all about control. It is only okay to feed them if they use an ebt card. It is all about control of the idoltry if people can't feed themselves.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.

It applies on many levels.

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 21:51 | 4768387 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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If you really wanted to do something about this problem you'd round these people up and put them on a piece of land then do the following.

Instead of just feeding them you invest through charity (food in the short term also to keep them alive) teaching them how to subsistance farm that piece of land to support themselves. Leave it at that and leave them alone once the teaching part is done and then let Darwinism take care of the rest. If they can self regulate as a community including the crazies and drug addicts they will at least be able to take care of themselves without you and me intervening then on the most basic of levels. If they want more they will produce more and integrate back into the matrix over time as they use that excess to build.

Government will never allow it though since if it actually worked....

 

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:14 | 4768425 Oldwood
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You are assuming that all of these people are willing to work to feed themselves? What of those who refuse, resist labor and insist on sustenance without work. Will you let those starve? We are simultaneously destroying our jobs while also destroying our will to work. Our government preaches entitlement while putting the squeeze on employers, especially small businesses that do the bulk of hiring. This is a three way cluster fuck of impossible proportions. There is no right thing to do anymore. Damned if we do...damned if we don't...just plain damned.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:49 | 4768489 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Oldwood says:

 "What of those who refuse, resist labor and insist on sustenance without work."

Is 'fuck em' one of the choices?

'You don't work, you don't eat' works for me.

I am a hard-bitten taxpayer, and I have had it with the endless guilt trip.  Support yourself or starve.  It's just simple supply and demand.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 23:17 | 4768534 Oldwood
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Amen.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:16 | 4768750 Serenity Now
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Endless guilt trip.  Yep, that's the Left for you.  They won't be satisfied until you give all your money away and then kill yourself.  Ok, maybe that's a slight exaggeration.

But it's not.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:59 | 4768500 teslaberry
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thats precisely what they did for native ameircans. the result, their best way to make money while staying isolated on their own land was to take investment for casinoes and other 'offshore' type acitvities where their trade partners ( american investors) use the soveriegn status of the tribe's land to hide activies otherwise exposed to tax or regulatory prohibition . 

 

this is precisely what happens. and then if the people get too succesful using their land---the govenrment will try and get piece of their action. and if they resist the govenrment will push using economic and diplomatic attack on their streams of revenue and customers. 

 

if the smears dont' work, and they almost always do, the governemtn will use to dirty tricks. the government WILL succeedd in depriving the natives of the revenue stream. the natives inevitably resort to violence---and by that point THEYVE ALREADY LOST. 

IF A GOVERNING ENTITY HAS THE POWER TO FUCK YOUR REVENUE STREAM BEYOND REPAIR---THEN BY THE TIME YOU ATTEMPT TO FIGHT THEM USING VIOLENCE---YOU HAVE LOST. even if you ever did have a chance with a vastly superior military force---which you probably didn't. 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:25 | 4768763 Serenity Now
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teslaberry,

John Stossel did an EXCELLENT report a few years ago on an Indian tribe that embraced capitalism, Christian-Judeo values, broke free of government dependency, and are one of the most affluent groups in the nation.  They live in the Southeast, if I recall.  They most certainly do NOT live on one of those pitiful reservations.  I mean, these people are well-off!

They have a work ethic, are not alcohoics, practice Christian values (if not the religion), and have property rights.

The worst thing about reservations is that it's all government owned land.  ZERO incentive to work the land, make it better, improve structures, etc.  They are entirely dependent upon government.  We have a real life, long term, example of communism right here in America, and we have refused to see it and learn from it.  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 09:47 | 4769076 chemystical
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"...embraced capitalism, Christian-Judeo values"

That phrase is parroted quite often - albeit ordinarily with the Judeo in front.  I'm interested in exactly what it means to you and how it differs from Shinto value or Buddhist values or the Social Contract or Islamic values.  (And with re to Islamic, I must insist that you read the Quran before regurgitating something from the, um, "Judeo" media).

If we're refering to 21st C Jews, then you'd be more accurate using the Talmud as your frame of reference, and there is very little in that screed which is congruous with Christianity.  The parts referring to Jesus' mother being a whore, and the parts referring to Jesus in a pot of hot semen, and the hundreds (yes hundreds) of parts referring to goyim as beasts and slaves to the Chosenites, ..,well not exactly in alignment, eh? 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:15 | 4768745 Serenity Now
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Dewey,

Most of the crazies used to be locked up, but they got released.  Druggies get let out of jail all the time.  The left claims moral victory for that.  But then they say we have a homeless crisis.  See how it works?  You can't win.

I think I see where your idea is coming from, but I don't like the sound of "rounding people up."  LOL.  If you implemented your idea on a voluntary basis, I don't think anyone would show up.  It's easier to sit outside of the grocery store and beg.

After many years of struggling with the moral aspect of this, I rarely give money to homeless or beggars, because I can't tell the difference.  I still believe it is a moral imperative to help people, but I choose to give to the Salvation Army, who I believe does GOOD, rather than give a $10 bill or a sandwich to a complete stranger out of COMPASSION, which is not the same as doing good.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:11 | 4769573 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You got to feed while teaching, they will come for the food on a voluntary basis. The teachers need to keep the usual suspects from spoiling process as you set it up and transition them from you to doing it themselves. Systems tend to self regulate once up and rolling. At that point they are on their own. It is freedom and self choice at that point for them. You can't really doing anything else at that point lest you spoil the process from there on in. You have to start somewhere.

The sad thing is most people who are not homeless can't even feed themselves without idoltry either. The system is predicated on that simple fact. You need to break that or else nothing changes. The lesson is works in both directions here by self learning which is also a form of feeding oneself for a lifetime. People let an education get in the way of learning.

Fri, 05/16/2014 - 22:47 | 4768484 Cant see me
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Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he sits in a boat and drinks beer all day.

 

fixed it for ya

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 07:40 | 4768934 ThisIsBob
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An ex observed:  "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.  Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him  for the whole weekend."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 08:09 | 4768950 GetZeeGold
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We will eventually have to nationalize Bass Pro Shops.....yes....all of them.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 02:02 | 4768736 ebear
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"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."

likewise:

Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for one night.

Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 03:07 | 4768795 Bloody Muppet
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Give a man a sandwich, go to jail.

Steal the man's sandwich, go to jail.

 

Uh-huh, that makes total sense.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 11:29 | 4769250 acetinker
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...teach a man to fish...  But now, he needs a fishing license, and a permit to build a fire to cook it!  -Doug Stanhope

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