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Bill Clinton’s Epic Double-Cross: How "Not An Inch" Brought NATO To Russia’s Border

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Submitted by David Stockman via Contra Corner blog,

American foreign policy is mindlessly driven by the machinery of our Warfare State - a vast accretion of economic, diplomatic, spying and military capabilities which are ceaselessly in search of missions and justifications for their colossal call on the nation’s resources. If you don’t believe that just read Ray McGovern’s succinct summary below of the US’s epic double-cross of Russia on NATO.

It began as a pledge by the first Bush Administration to Gorbachev that in return for German unification and liberation of the “captive nations” there would be “not an inch” of NATO expansion. It ended up its opposite, and for no plausible reason of American security whatsoever. In fact, NATO went on to draft nearly the entire former “Warsaw Pact”, expanding its membership by 12 nations. So doing, it encroached thousands of kilometers from its old Cold War boundaries to the very doorstep of Russia.

So what was the grand logic by which the safety and security of the good folks living in Bangor ME, Lincoln NE and Spokane WA would be enhanced by the addition of Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Latvia, Slovakia and Slovenia, among others, to our military shield against, well, no identifiable industrial state enemy?  In Dustin Hoffman’s epigrammatic style, it was fear of one word: Wimp!

That’s right. Bill Clinton came to Washington fresh from wandering the Ozarks for 20 years after his stint as a Rhodes Scholar - and with no clue about the post-cold war world which had suddenly emerged after the fall of the Berlin wall. Accordingly, he was a sitting duck for catcalls from neocon Republicans and spurious platitudes from the national security bureaucracy about “nation-building” and  America’s post-war role as the “indispensable” keeper of the peace.

So as McGovern explains, Clinton just unilaterally cast aside the solemn pledges to freeze NATO at its existing borders that had been made by President Bush and Secretary Baker. In making these pledges the latter represented a world-wise generation that had experienced the long, costly, perilous cold war twilight and had recognized the profound opportunity for a fresh start that had fallen upon the world when the Soviet Union disintegrated.

By contrast, Clinton didn’t want to face re-election against the hawkish Bob Dole and be stuck with the foreign policy “wimp” tag:

From the campaign trail on Oct. 22, 1996, two weeks before he defeated Bob Dole for a second term as president, Bill Clinton used NATO enlargement to advertise his assertiveness in foreign policy and America’s status as the “world’s indispensable nation.” Clinton bragged about proposing NATO enlargement at his first NATO summit in 1994, saying it “should enlarge steadily, deliberately, openly.” He never explained why.

The startling thing in hindsight is that many of America’s most respected and experienced cold war thinkers saw the absolute folly of NATO expansion long before a single former member of the Soviet bloc had been added. The father of the “containment” doctrine and the original instigator of Truman’s excessively and unfortunately aggressive anti-Soviet policy, George Kennan, had no doubt about the distilled lessons of half a century:

Clinton made what quintessential Russian specialist Ambassador George Kennan called a “fateful error.” Writing in the New York Times on Feb. 5, 1997, Kennan asserted: “Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.”

 

“Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”

Needless to say, Kennan could not have been more clairvoyant. Yet wisdom and analysis were impotent in the face of the inexorable drive of the Warfare State to perpetuate itself. Indeed, once the process of NATO expansion was set in motion by Clinton’s feckless campaign sloganeering, it took on the aura of United Way membership drive: Any nation east of the old cold war boundaries that had a flag and a couple of generals was fair game.

This mindless drive was eventually extended by George W.Bush’s neocon warmongers to encompass former constituent parts of the Soviet Union itself, including Stalin’s home province of Georgia and Khrushchev’s homeland in the Ukraine. The Warfare State machinery-minders in the beltway did not get the irony, nor did they heed the dire warnings from saner heads inside the national security bureaucracy itself.

The US ambassador to Moscow in 2008, William Burns, a pedigreed member of the War Party and current Under-Secretary of State, left nothing to the imagination in a dispatch prior to the fateful Bucharest summit in July 2008 in which NATO announced that Georgia and the Ukraine where being invited to join a military alliance against an unspecified enemy:

…we have the text of a State Department cable dated Feb. 1, 2008, from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow bearing the unusual title: “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.”

As it turned out, Burn’s cable was just as clairvoyant as Kennan’s warning a decade earlier. He foresaw Ukrainian upheaval and civil war along almost the precise vectors which are unfolding today:

“Summary. Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine’s intent to seek a NATO membership action plan at the [upcoming] Bucharest summit, Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains ‘an emotional and neuralgic’ issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia.

 

“In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.”

That was written in mid-2008, not mid-February of this year. Some future historian will doubtless wonder, therefore, about the next events in this baleful evolution. After all, six months later the “peace” candidate did win!

No matter. Barrack Obama quickly performed the beltway pivot and soon populated his government with leading lights of the War Party including Robert Gates and Hillary Clinton.

The rest is history. Not only was the utterly pointless expansion of NATO never re-considered, its aggressive encroachment on Russia’s borders was actually intensified by the current administration.

There is an underlying lesson here. It matters not a wit what candidates for President say about foreign policy or America’s role in the world. So long as the current massive Warfare State machinery is left in place, and fed by upwards of $900 billion per year in fiscal rations, it will determine policy, not the voters and not the officials they elect.

So the only platform that would make any difference in the future is the “dismantlement platform”.  That is, a campaign to: withdraw from NATO and liquidate it; shutdown entirely obsolete institutions like Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the National Endowment for Democracy and the military and civilian aid bureaucracies; drastically curtail the NSA/CIA/DIA/spy state apparatus; and, of course, drastically demobilize and defund the Pentagon’s machinery of power projection and wars of invasion and occupation.

Absent a dismantlement of the Warfare State machinery, giant policy errors like the Bill Clinton’s double-cross on NATO and Obama’s foolish present confrontation with Putin are nearly guaranteed to recur.

How NATO Jabs Russia On Ukraine

By Ray McGovern

 Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov used Wednesday’s interview with Bloomberg News to address the overriding issue regarding the future of Ukraine, at least from Moscow’s perspective. Speaking in fluent English, he said Russia would be “categorically against” Ukraine joining NATO.

Lavrov said he welcomed the interviewer’s question regarding whether Ukraine can be part of NATO, recognizing it as a chance to shoehorn background information into the interview. It was an opportunity to explain Moscow’s position to a wide English-speaking international audience – first and foremost Americans. His comments seemed partly aimed at those so malnourished on “mainstream media” that they might be learning the history of NATO enlargement for the first time. Lavrov said:

“In my view, it all started … back in the 1990s, when in spite of all the pronouncements about how the Cold War was over and that there should be no winners – yet, NATO looked upon itself as a winner.”

Lavrov said U.S. and NATO reneged on a series of commitments: not to enlarge the Alliance; then (after NATO was expanded contrary to that commitment), not to deploy substantial forces on the territories of new NATO members; and then not to move NATO infrastructure to the Russian border.

“All these commitments have been, to one degree or another, violated,” said Lavrov, adding that “attempts to draw Ukraine into NATO would have a negative impact on the entire system of European security.” Lavrov said Russia’s national security interests and 25 years of recent history make this a key problem, not only for Ukraine and NATO, but also “an issue of Russia.”

Is Lavrov distorting the history? The answer is important – the more so inasmuch as the information needed to form cogent judgments is rarely found in the U.S. “mainstream media.” What happened in the months immediately before and after the fall of the Berlin Wall on Nov. 9/10, 1989, is key to understanding Russia’s attitude now.

No Dancing

To his credit, President George H. W. Bush sent a reassuring message to the Soviets, saying, “I will not dance on the Berlin wall.” And just three weeks after it fell, Bush flew to Malta for a two-day summit with Gorbachev.

At a joint press conference on Dec. 3, 1989, Gorbachev said, “We are at the beginning of a long road to a lasting, peaceful era. The threat of force, mistrust, psychological and ideological struggle should all be things of the past.”

In the same vein, Bush spoke of a new future just begun “right here in Malta” – one of lasting peace and enduring East-West cooperation. This came just six months after Bush had publicly called in a major speech in Mainz, West Germany, for “a Europe whole and free.” At the time it did not seem one had to be Pollyanna to hope that flesh could be pinned to the bones of that rhetoric.

According to Jack Matlock, then-U.S. ambassador to the U.S.S.R. who took part in the Malta summit, the most basic agreement involved (1) Gorbachev’s pledge not to use force in Eastern Europe where the Russians had 24 divisions (some 350,000 troops) in East Germany alone, and (2) Bush’s promise not to “take advantage” of a Soviet withdrawal from Eastern Europe.

In early February 1990, Bush sent Secretary of State James Baker to work out the all-important details directly with Gorbachev and Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze. Ambassador Matlock again was there and took careful notes on the negotiations, which focused on German reunification.

From memory, Matlock told me that Baker tried to convince Gorbachev that it was in Moscow’s interest to let a united Germany remain in NATO. Matlock recalled that Baker began his argument saying something like, “Assuming there is no expansion of NATO jurisdiction to the East, not one inch, what would you prefer, a Germany embedded in NATO, or one that can go independently in any direction it chooses.” [emphasis added]

The implication was that Germany might just opt to acquire nuclear weapons, were it not anchored in NATO. Gorbachev answered that he took Baker’s argument seriously, and wasted little time in agreeing to the deal.

Ambassador Matlock, one of the most widely respected experts on Russia, told me “the language used was absolute, and the entire negotiation was in the framework of a general agreement that there would be no use of force by the Soviets and no ‘taking advantage’ by the U.S.”

He added, “I don’t see how anybody could view the subsequent expansion of NATO as anything but ‘taking advantage,’ particularly since, by then, the U.S.S.R. was no more and Russia was hardly a credible threat.”

In his book Superpower Illusions, Matlock wrote that NATO enlargement was a function of U.S. domestic politics not of foreign policy strategic thinking. It seems he got that right, too.

Tough Guy Clinton

From the campaign trail on Oct. 22, 1996, two weeks before he defeated Bob Dole for a second term as president, Bill Clinton used NATO enlargement to advertise his assertiveness in foreign policy and America’s status as the “world’s indispensable nation.” Clinton bragged about proposing NATO enlargement at his first NATO summit in 1994, saying it “should enlarge steadily, deliberately, openly.” He never explained why.

President Clinton, thus, reneged on the pledges made by Baker to Gorbachev and Shevardnadze. Clinton lamely called upon Russia to view NATO’s enlargement as an arrangement that will “advance the security of everyone.”

Clinton’s tough-guy-ism toward Russia was, in part, a response to even more aggressive NATO plans from Clinton’s Republican opponent Bob Dole, who had been calling for incorporating Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary as full members of NATO and had accused Clinton of “dragging his feet” on this. Clinton was not about to be out-toughed.

Those three countries joined NATO in 1999, starting a trend. By April 2009, nine more countries became members, bringing the post-Cold War additions to 12 – equal to the number of the original 12 NATO states.

Clinton made what quintessential Russian specialist Ambassador George Kennan called a “fateful error.” Writing in the New York Times on Feb. 5, 1997, Kennan asserted: “Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.”

“Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”

If you are the “sole indispensable” country in the world, though, you are sorely tempted not to heed the worrywarts.

Seeds of a Crisis

On Wednesday, Lavrov said the seeds of the current Ukraine crisis were sown in April 2008 during the NATO summit in Bucharest when NATO leaders stated in a declaration that “Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO.”

Were Lavrov not the consummate diplomat, he might have also told his interviewer that, two months before the Bucharest summit, he had warned U.S. Ambassador to Russia William J. Burns to anticipate a strong Russian reaction to including Ukraine and Georgia in NATO. But diplomats don’t generally permit themselves an “I told you so.”

Thanks to Pvt. Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning and WikiLeaks, we have the text of a State Department cable dated Feb. 1, 2008, from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow bearing the unusual title: “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.”

The IMMEDIATE precedence that the cable bears shows that Ambassador Burns (now Deputy Secretary of State) was addressing a priority issue under active consideration in Washington. Though it was six years ago, Burns interlocutor was the same Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Here is Burns’s introductory summary of his discussions with Lavrov:

“Summary. Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine’s intent to seek a NATO membership action plan at the [upcoming] Bucharest summit, Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains ‘an emotional and neuralgic’ issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia.

“In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.”

Ambassador Burns continued: “Russia has made it clear that it would have to ‘seriously review’ its entire relationship with Ukraine and Georgia in the event of NATO inviting them to join. This could include major impacts on energy, economic, and political-military engagement, with possible repercussions throughout the region and into Central and Western Europe.”

Burns’s closing comment: “Russia’s opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia is both emotional and based on perceived strategic concerns about the impact on Russia’s interest in the region. … While Russian opposition to the first round of NATO enlargement in the mid-1990s was strong, Russia now feels itself able to respond more forcefully to what it perceives as actions contrary to its national interests.”

We don’t know whether Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice read Burns’s prescient remarks, but Lavrov’s warning clearly fell on deaf ears. On April 3, 2008, the NATO summit in Bucharest issued a formal declaration that “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.”

Now, with events quickly spinning out of control in Ukraine, some policymakers need to tell President Obama that there can be even bigger trouble ahead, if Russia’s national security interests are not taken into account.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. He came to Washington over 50 years ago and worked as a CIA analyst under seven Presidents, one less than Gates. Ray now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

Reprinted with permission from Consortium News.

http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2014/05/15/how-nato-jabs-russia-on-Ukraine/

 

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Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:40 | 4769395 blindman
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Bill Clinton loses the argument, asks How dare you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viq_qKv3Pk4
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bullies rule/s.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4769408 Boris Alatovkrap
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You cannot trust member of AmeriKan political class.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4769428 McMolotov
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In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.

Someone in the US read that and thought "problem-reaction-solution" and "never let a crisis go to waste." It's looking more and more likely that pissing off Russia has been the plan all along. Everything else is just a sideshow.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:14 | 4769464 Winston Churchill
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Empires grow or die.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:37 | 4769511 Atticus Finch
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Empires die because they grow. Is there an example of an empire that didn't expand?

Is there an example of an empire that concentrated on its core and assured only defense of its borders? I'm net sure that one has ever existed that can be used as a useful reference.

Unfortunately for most Americans schooled in the American myth, I think most Americans expected America to be that singular example.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:41 | 4769523 Winston Churchill
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They exist because they grow.
A paradox like Triffin's.
Their very DNA assures their downfall.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:10 | 4769571 0b1knob
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Anybody stupid enough to believe anything Bill Clinton (or Choomboy) promises deserves the epic reaming they will inevitably get.

Crimea river Putin.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:58 | 4769879 SafelyGraze
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russia and china join nato

problem is solve

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:26 | 4769950 Kirk2NCC1701
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Russia tried that already -- just to smoke out the US liars, and they did.

When the US/NATO refused to disclose even basics like the velocity map (speed vs time) for the ABMs they planned to post in Poland -- allegedly to protect against Iran -- they knew that the Yanks were lying through their teeth, when it came to the gap between 'pretext' and 'reason'.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:17 | 4770740 Anusocracy
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Empires grow and die because of the transition from the quality at its beginning to the quantity that it eventually acquires.

America is a perfect example.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:55 | 4769648 JamesBond
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I thought this article was going to be about Clinton's twisted penis...

 

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentag...

 

 

jb

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:17 | 4769678 teslaberry
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all things die because they grow. and then they stop growing. either before or at the time of death. 

 

a termites nest is a living structure built from a society of termites. the termite society grows or dies, as a function of the collective of individual termites. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:04 | 4770007 0b1knob
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Empires either grow or die, the point people seem to be missing is that it is the RUSSIAN empire that is doing the growing right now.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:11 | 4769909 caShOnlY
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Slick Willie and the angry inch

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:17 | 4770415 robertsgt40
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All empires have a shelf life. We are rapidly approaching ours.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:32 | 4769498 Atticus Finch
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The plan has been to break up Russia from the beginning, so that no single nation can threaten US hegemony. See the writings of the Project for the New American Century. It's all there.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:20 | 4769683 Cruel Aid
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What do the writings say wrt becoming fat lazy stupid old and sick?

Oh and voting for free goods and services.

 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:36 | 4769713 Redneck Hippy
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The Right likes to claim that Reagan won the Cold War.

Bullshit, of course.  The Afghans (and Al Qaeda) won the Cold War for us.

Pissing off Russia now is more of the same idea (Who says we've learned nothing from Afghanistan and Iraq?).  Let Putin score his hockey goals...he can spend a generation trying to incorporate the Ukraine into his sorry remnant of the USSR.

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:21 | 4769809 Winston Churchill
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I say it, otherwise the US would have learned from the folly of others in 'the graveyard of empires'.
You can't fix stupid.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:59 | 4769432 y3maxx
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...Boris, my psychiatrist Dr. Moishe Kugelman treats all his patients even more extreme..."No Political, Religious or Medical mumbo jumbo, just to sing and dance, that's it".

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:03 | 4769560 RafterManFMJ
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Chief Rain In The Face say "white man speak with formed tongue."

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:50 | 4769637 Kirk2NCC1701
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An "Itch that must be scratched" beats "not an inch" every time.

Every animal must be true to its nature, no matter the rhetoric.

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:48 | 4769409 Oh regional Indian
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He is that. You have to be alfa male, alpha dawg...no other way.

American Way: We bring you to pieces...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/peace-in-pieces/

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4769410 Renewable Life
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218 of the 238 years of America's existence, we have been "at War, with someone or something", did anyone really think, the Cold War would end it all?????

The problem is, 85% of American's don't believe or dont know the above statement to be true, when you have a population as big and militarily powerful as ours, completely and utterly brainwashed, like it is.....massive death and destruction, war and confusion will certainly follow!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:58 | 4769431 Dick Buttkiss
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"90% of All Deaths In War Are CIVILIANS And the U.S. Launched 201 Out of the 248 Armed Conflicts Since the End of WWII"

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/90-deaths-war-civilians.html

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:42 | 4769622 Ignatius
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Slogan:  "Support the Troops"

"90% of All Deaths In War Are CIVILIANS"

We are the troops in modern warfare.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:26 | 4769482 Renewable Life
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trust me "down arrows", as an American who's blood goes back to the revolution in this Country, and someone who loves, the DofI, the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson and the Boyz, etc etc more then you could know, the above FACTS make me sick to my stomach, and I don't want them to be true either!

But fucking reality is reality and facts ARE facts, but once you can get past the denial part and begin to face it, the future and what needs to be done in the future to "take back" real freedom and liberty in this Country, starts to become pretty obvious!

Step 1, is STOP believing in big government propaganda and BS and Big Government as any solution to ANY problem! ..........Steps 2 - infinity will naturally follow! Good Luck

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:38 | 4769515 Dick Buttkiss
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Trust me, RL, the American sheeple aren't going to let the facts get in the way of their ignorance-driven apathy until it's too late for them to do anything about it:

"How Snowden's Revelations Have Strengthened the NSA"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/gary-north/the-mob-is-sickening%E2%80...

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:40 | 4769721 Redneck Hippy
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Absolutely. We are the most war-like of all warlike nations.  The Roman Empire had nothing on us.  And we still spend 90% of al the money that is spent on "defense."

And, BTW, drones are a bargain.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:01 | 4770170 rubiconsolutions
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Seems like when it comes to giving away inches Clinton is pretty good at it.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:44 | 4769402 ShrNfr
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Is Hillary back from her session at the taxidermist to comment on this piece yet?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:06 | 4769539 813kml
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Not yet, she's still deciding on whether being stuffed as a centaur or minotaur best brings out her feminine qualities.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:55 | 4769649 Volkodav
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there is kosher taxidermy?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:31 | 4770225 Omen IV
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she is more dangerous than obama and bill clinton put together

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4769422 blindman
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http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/05/western-game-energy-giants-might-be-beh...
Western Game? Energy giants might be behind Ukraine unrest
Posted on May 17, 2014 by maxkeiser

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:07 | 4769423 q99x2
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Stockman is pretty good. A little cranky but good.

I think the military industrial complex will have to begin supplying both sides of small conflicts to make any money in the future. It can only play the russian chinese thing for so long. It could create small wars within nuclear armend nations but only if they have full control over the nukes of both sides of the conflicts. Basically it is a dying industry at this point. It can still fry africa but only until those nations get russian or chinese nukes.

They might also fry the nations boardering russia and china. This money grab by the military industrial complex against russia ain't going to last long. It will not be another cold war because there is not enough money to feed the poor (to keep them from revolution) and to fund the military.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:11 | 4769424 NuYawkFrankie
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re Bill Clinton’s Epic Double-Cross

They don't call him "Slick Willy" for nothing - the Patron Saint of Used Car Salesmen... and that's before he's even croaked.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:16 | 4769583 machineh
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'Bill Clinton came to Washington fresh from wandering the Ozarks for 20 years after his stint as a Rhodes Scholar.'

One constantly sees this confusion of homonyms.

Clinton was actually a 'Road Scholar' -- a drugstore truck-drivin' man.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:42 | 4770116 blindman
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Drug store truck drivin man Gram parsons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbIdFTeQro8

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 12:55 | 4769427 PeakOil
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Good stuff. Warfare State pretty much nails it.

You sure as hell won't hear any of this analysis from the shills in the mainstream media. Courtesy of the people who make a very good living spreading chaos and destruction worldwide.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:03 | 4769441 Jack Burton
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The rump of Russia after the collapse of the USSR was in no position to object to NATO advance. It was only Russia's vast nuclear weapons capability that prevented NATO marching on Moscow. So NATO could not invade, they had to take the more diplomatic approach to taking Russia down. Today we see the end game of this slow approach. Ukraine is the end game in NATO advance. Once Ukraine is a secure base, then the destabilization of Russia will begin in earnest. This would mean US direct support for Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Chechen terrorists and other minorty ethnic groups seeking to engage in terror. Domestic spending will go in overdrive to pay thousands of russians big wages to work for anti government NGOs. Then they watch and wait for a crisis for the west to jump onboard. Time is not on Russia's side, if they cave in to NATO, then NATO will advance until they get control over Russian resources.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:15 | 4769459 Dick Buttkiss
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If there's a rump of Russia, here's the asshole of America:

http://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/washington-d-c-skyline.jpg

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:38 | 4769513 Emergency Ward
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With the big middle finger signalling a "fuck you" to the rest of the world.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:18 | 4769587 machineh
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You shouldn't talk about Hillary's dildo that way.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:13 | 4769460 NoWayJose
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Do not doubt that today's version of the KGB is every bit as powerful as the Cold War version. And do not doubt that Putin can make potential enemies and terrorists disappear.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:33 | 4769503 Winston Churchill
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If you are correct Jack its a race between the USA's total
bankruptcy and Russia's decline, you under estimate the Russians.You are in famous company, a Corsican and an Austrian did that before.
I think we are sliding towards a First Strike by either side.
My bet is the neocons launch it as they have removed the saner generals from the US nuke command structure.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:10 | 4769457 NoWayJose
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You have to love the wisdom of carving out part of eastern Poland and part of western Russia, sticking them together with super glue, and hoping they stay together. It might have worked, except the elected government was nudged out of the picture by a small minority -- yet another lack of recipe for creating an unstable country.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:13 | 4769461 kchrisc
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Must sell weapons. Must start war. Must finance weapons and war.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:15 | 4769466 Smegley Wanxalot
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NEVER trust Uncle Sam. 

He's a fucking lying, backstabbing, hypocritical asshole.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:06 | 4769543 813kml
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And I hear that Aunt Samantha bakes some cookies that are revolutionary.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:52 | 4770142 blindman
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Grateful Dead - U.S. Blues (Studio Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPOAhBp2Ag
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Grateful Dead - Uncle John's Band (Studio Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSIajKGHZRk

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:47 | 4770836 Kirk2NCC1701
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Why does Uncle Sam remind me of a used car salesman?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:26 | 4769485 Atticus Finch
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The US leadership can only be described as reckless and a domestic enemy to every American.

These people will promote their agenda until they incinerate the world.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:25 | 4769486 mccvilb
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Andreas Popp at the Monday's Demonstrations in Berlin talking about the people of various countries including and exclusive of our politicians, the MSM, boycotting elections, the bankster pyramid, the Israeli Palestinian situation and more.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:31 | 4769956 PeakOil
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Excellent! Thanks for the link. Nice summary of the current state of the MSM. My sentiments exactly.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:27 | 4769490 b_thunder
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Fact 1: America stoped viewing Russia as enemy, and coudn't fathom that Russkies wouldn't do the same (as all SANE and FREE pepel would.)  Unfortunatelly ruskies are certainly NOT free and mostly insane (drunk,high, crazy on drugs and communism/nationalism.)

Fact 2: In post-USSR Europe, NATO was considered by bith the Americans and the ex-Warsaw pact countries not as a deterrent agaisnt Russia, but more like an membership in a club that offers help in case of a flood or earthquake. Hey, you're in trouble?  We'll send some MREs and search&rescue teams.  Russians did not view that as such.

Fact 3: The last american tank was removed from Europe last year.  THe numebr of US forces in Europe has been reduced by 80%.  EU-members' defence budgets are the lowest  in a century.  Is this the sort of policy that aimed at threatening Russia? Gimme a break!

Yes, Lavrov found thi s"gotcha" from 20 years ago... whatever!  Putin is in trouble, he's played all his cards, the final is hardcore nationalism.  But soon even $100 oil prices won't be enough to balance his books.  Then the whole era of mal-investment and coruption and military excess will become clear, and in order to stay alive (let alone inpower) Putin will turn Russia in North-Korea like state. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:35 | 4769608 TheFourthStooge-ing
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b_thunder, you're out of your fucking mind. You're drunk,high, crazy on drugs and imperial propaganda.

Please go sober up.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:42 | 4769621 WarPony
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Fact 3 is not a fact http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/02/03/american-tanks-return-to-e...

Your other facts are equally dubious.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:50 | 4769639 Volkodav
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useless talkings

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:29 | 4769699 Mi Naem
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BAhhh, have yet another drink, Ivan. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:29 | 4769701 Atticus Finch
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Fact 1: You're delusional and simply don't know post Soviet history.

Fact 2: You drank too much of the koolaid to be a valid poster.

Fact 3: See Fact 1 and 2

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:05 | 4769775 bag holder
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#2 is interesting, though, and it fits with the article's United Way metaphor. Poland and Ukraine are just trying to join the European auto club for nation-states.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:21 | 4769940 IndianaJohn
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b__ thunder, -- Blarney Thunder, is that you?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:48 | 4769981 Boogity
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Wow, a lot of intense Russophobia there dude...

Did you catch your woman rubbing one off to a shirtless picture of Vlad on the internet?

I caught mine doing it a couple of weeks ago and, rather than get angry and jealous, I took immediate advantage of the situation.  She was already all hot and lathered up and I didn't have to do the foreplay crap.  It was great.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:44 | 4769508 novictim
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The underlying premise here is that the Russians OWN the former Soviet countries.  

So, ZERO HEDGE...does Russia OWN Ukraine?  Or Georgia?  Or Poland?  Or Latvia?  Or Lithuania? ETC!

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Now, I - "get it"-  that the Big, Powerful countries like Russia and the USA and China can have a delusional sense of OWNERSHIP of their neighbors and make threats and postures (usually in private...except now with Russia over Ukraine).

But it is the same mindset of the Pimp who harbors a sense of ownership over the women he exploits.  There is no legitimacy.  There is no moral or intellectual argument that holds unless one stoops to "Might makes right".

So let us ZH posters and authors NOT(!) give INTELLECTUAL cover to this doctine in the name of Fairness(what a joke) or "The Realpolitik"...

The USA. Russia, China do not own their neighbors.  They DO NOT, in fact, have any special rights because of their powerful military positions or historic events.  There are no international, LEGAL standings for these unspoken "SPECIAL" claims outside of existing treaty agreements.

There is no MONROE doctrine in the 21st Century.  The rule of law must apply to EVERYONE for this to be a civilized world and for us all to survive the modern challenges.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:02 | 4769558 novictim
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When you down vote my above post, what are you really objecting too?

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:09 | 4769568 RafterManFMJ
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Speaking for myself, it's all about your poor punctuation.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:13 | 4769576 novictim
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That is legitimate. ;-)

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:48 | 4769633 Volkodav
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your transparent idiocy hatred for Russia

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:27 | 4770077 novictim
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I hate fascists.  Russian Fascism is on my hit list at this juncture in history.  

You folks in Russia are losing your democracy faster than a defrocked nun can lose her virginity on a party boat.  Volk, take back your media from the State, stop treating your servant, Putin, like some Czar, get off your knees and then I might have some respect for you.

 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 04:46 | 4770934 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ummm, sorry to have to point this out to you, but at this juncture in history, US Fascism should probably be on your hit list, since that is what has precipitated the current Ukrainian crisis.

The Russians seem to be the only ones seeking any sort of peaceful resolution.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:28 | 4774598 novictim
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US fascism/Militarism has been on my radar for decades.

I vote and march accordingly.  

Stooge, can we walk and chew gum at the same time?  I am against US Corporate Fascism, Russian Cult of Personality Fascism, and Islamo Fascism.  There is no contradiction.  

I do disagree with you when you suggest that the new Kiev government is a fascist one.  That is all RT-news talking.  

Kiev is nationalistic, yes.  Fascist, no!  Look up fascism and you will see the signs fit Russia much better than Kiev.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:06 | 4769780 TheFourthStooge-ing
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novictim, I actually agree with your post above and gave it +1 up. Specifically, this is what I agree with:

The USA. Russia, China do not own their neighbors.  They DO NOT, in fact, have any special rights because of their powerful military positions or historic events.  There are no international, LEGAL standings for these unspoken "SPECIAL" claims outside of existing treaty agreements.

There is no MONROE doctrine in the 21st Century.  The rule of law must apply to EVERYONE for this to be a civilized world and for us all to survive the modern challenges.

I completely agree. My sympathies are with the Ukrainian people and I genuinely hope they can decide on their future together, without outside meddling and interference.

This is why I am appalled, disgusted, and embarrassed by the loathesome behavior of the US government. How did such a collection of arrogant, mentally deranged adolescents come to gain such influence over humanity? Are there any adults in charge, anywhere in DC?

I think I've figured out who is running things behind the scenes. It's Simon Bar Sinister, the evil nemesis of Underdog. Given its transparently cheap propaganda, its total denial of reality, and its utter disregard for humanity in its mad plots to rule the world, I fail to see the Vichy DC regime exhibiting any quality which would place it above the level of a cartoon villain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdN-fu1nrWE

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:29 | 4770080 novictim
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Well, then we are finally on the same page.  ;-)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:37 | 4769696 Mi Naem
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I redthumbed your post because you pretend not to know that major global and regional powers have spheres of influence.  Other states or entities who ignore that are rationally viewed as engaging in a provocation, and are likely to end up wishing they hadn't done so. 

Also, the Soviets are not dead.  They had a serious economic and political crisis, and needed to retract for a while.  They could fairly safely do that having exerted significant, lasting, and largely self-sustaining political and cultural influence over most other major powers, including the USA, while they re-build and watch others demolish themselves from within and each other from across "borders".  (Too bad we didn't do that during WWII in the European theatre.) 

The (now) USSA is acting in the global interests of unified power to soon be consolidated in a global empire where countries will have about as much power as any average State or Commonwealth in the current 'Mercan union.  Then, we'll never have to worry again about one state encroaching into another's sphere of influence.  Won't that be nice?  /s

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:38 | 4770050 novictim
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Moron, "Spheres of Influence" is precisely what I argue AGAINST.

I think what you mean to say is that *YOU LIKE* having this old dictum of Spheres of Influence.  You want that mode of thinking to prevail.

So when you say I "pretend not to know" you are really just throwing a ad hominem. 

I only wish you people could understand your own thinking...even if I disagree with your conclusions.  

Think what you say and say what you think!!  Honesty!

(that is my version of: Mean what you say and say what you mean.)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:31 | 4770227 Mi Naem
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I do hope you get the help you need. 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:37 | 4769509 Racer
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'keeper of the peace'?!!!

 

The Universal Spy is a global terrorist bully that likes to kill at every opportunity

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:06 | 4769561 novictim
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The solution to the Universal Spy (USA) is the Rule of Law...not the creation of a bigger or more rapacious bully.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:14 | 4769918 IndianaJohn
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novictim, -- "Rule of Law."  Huh? Bill Ross, is that you?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:40 | 4769521 Peter Pan
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I sit back and muse at the tremendous irony of it all. Since the fall of communism it is as if Russia and America have changed roles. The people of Russia have shed a great deal of the communist downside while the people of the USA are finding themselves in a gulag run by government as they lose jobs, privacy, homes and control over government.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:15 | 4769572 novictim
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It is a tragedy.  

And consider that the ability to manufacture consent and control the "Message" is nearly perfected in the USA.  We US citizens are consenting to undoing our own Bill of Rights and our own ability to direct government policy.

The USA Gulag is a Corporate run one.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:54 | 4769643 mccvilb
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I disagree with the idea its been done with my consent. I know of no one other than the five Supreme Court Justices who supported the Citizens United ruling which empowered corporations with human rights. I have no clue who orchestrated the change in US Patent laws from "first to invent" to "first to file" but I suspect it was the corporate lobbyists. Last but not least I do not agree with executive decisions I have no say in that circumvent the meaning and intent of the Constitution of the United States and enable government agencies like the NSA, FBI and CIA and certain unnamed foreign entities absolute unmonitored control over the civilian populace.

There is a way to address this. There is a growing movement afoot toward nonparticipation. It is a grassroots worldwide movement. It has no leaders. Its precepts are simple. Turn your TV off. Take away the power of the MSM. Do not vote. The alternative, voting for the lesser of two suppressors, is not voting. Do not pick up arms. Refuse to shoot people you do not know you're commanded to kill. Do not make or follow leaders. Reestablish a system to work from the ground up where everybody is equal. The rest will sort itself out.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Monday+demonstrations+in+Berlin+photos&c...

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:16 | 4770506 novictim
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Good points, Mc.   By consent I referred to the willingness of people to allow 4th Amendment violations by their government because of the FEAR of ...gasp...another 911!!

We have become fearful to the point that we trade our liberties for supposed security. This is *consent* but not unanimous consent as you point out.

Great point about the SCOTUS...this is the result of a system of legalized corporate bribery that places Corporatist stooges like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush the lesser, Obama in a position to select Justices who are INSANE and EVIL.

Regarding NOT VOTING...that is not the way here, IMO.  We need to take up the cause of campaign finance reform and reverse the ideas that money is speech and corporations are people.

Money is not Speech.  Corporations are not PEOPLE.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:46 | 4769627 Volkodav
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That is basically true and how it is...

Russia is more free

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:46 | 4769824 NuYawkFrankie
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Then: USSR / Original Bolsheviks

Now:  USSA  / Spawn of Original Bolsheviks (aka Neocons)

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:53 | 4770843 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Spawn of the Original Bolsheviks are the ones who Stalin threw out, because it was the only way to truly purge them out of Russia's halls of power and influence. 

For them that was an unforgivable crime, as it attacked their belief that they have a virtually divine right to take over any and all governments and rule over all.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:55 | 4769542 KickIce
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NATO = any country with a Rothschild central bank, of course they're always looking to bribe politicians and pilfer resources.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 13:59 | 4769547 novictim
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In the 21st century, the avenues for influencing a country and its decision to join or not join one alliance or another must rest on economic and cultural and strategic considerations.

If Russia truly wants Ukraine to join with Russia then it must sweeten the pot for the majority of Ukrainians.  It is that simple.

Military intervention to obtain a county'sgoals is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, AND STUPID.  If George Bush taught the world one thing, it was that.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:21 | 4769592 Joe A
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Bush also said that there would be no new taxes.

This has been the plan from the beginning. After the collapse of the Berlin wall, the Soviet Union collapsed. Then the cowboy capitalists went in to 'help' Russia with a transition to a market economy. Jeffrey Sachs later said that the aim was to destabilize Russia even more. Russia in those days lost 40% if its GDP (the only time that happened before was in WWII). State assets worth billions were sold for millions and then cut up. Russia went from a 2% poverty rate to a 25% poverty rate and millions lost their jobs. Russia at that was not in a position to do something against the expansion of NATO or US/NATO involvement in the Yugoslav wars.

But Ukraine has always been the red line for Russia. The US/EU/NATO got greedy and overplayed their hand in Ukraine. Putin was waiting for this in order to get back the Crimea and possible Eastern Ukraine.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:43 | 4769623 smacker
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I have a lot of time for Ray McGovern, but I think he and Stockman are holding back when they say that NATO's expansion was pointless and only for domestic politics. That may have been how it was played out, but the agenda was always to surround Russia, destabilise it, pick it off, replace Putin with a pro-Western puppet regime and suck its resources dry before moving on to face China, the ultimate risk and challenger of American global dominance.

Russia and China have both worked this out, read PNAC and know that US foreign policy is still very much under the control of neo-con loons. If NATO looks like installing itself in any part of Ukraine, I'd expect Putin to take pre-emptive action.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:27 | 4773764 Bankster Kibble
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Putin took pre-emptive action all right.  He annexed Crimea and prevented NATO from basing missiles and ships in Sebastopol.  If NATO had taken over Crimea, it would have given them a back door for short range missiles right into Moscow.  Now Ukraine will be stuck with a "frozen conflict" in Crimea, because the Kiev government refuses to let go of it formally.  As such, Ukraine will not qualify for membership in NATO.  Other members will blackball Ukraine.

The same thing happened with the Georgia war in 2008.  NATO was drooling over the thought of getting Georgia into the fold but Georgia had been blackballed by Germany and France because it had frozen conflicts in the shape of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.  America armed Georgia twice in 2008 to help them conquer those provinces, but Russia intervened and won the 5 day war.  Now Georgia has a "special agreement" with NATO but not full membership, and NATO member states are not obligated to her defense. 

I expect Ukraine will go the same way - a "special agreement" with NATO but no full membership because of the frozen conflict in Crimea.  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 14:57 | 4769651 disabledvet
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So lest people forget Boris Yeltsin actually proposed Russia join NATO.

That was pretty much the end of Yeltsin as "what purpose would NATO serve if Russia were in it?"

As it is by having constant conflict NATO ensures its relevancy in a post Cold War world.

Afghanistan obviously is the ultimate "out of area" operation...something this article doesn't even mention. Indeed there is absolutely zero data in this missive which is too bad as indeed NATO has been involved in a litany of real world conflicts ever since it was declared irrelevant when Germany was re-united.

In other words I think this article should by asking the question "why is NATO in Afghanistan?" since obviously Afghanistan does not represent a threat to the US or Western Europe and NATO is overwhelmingly a defensive alliance.

Unfortunately Lavrov has been Foreign Minister too long. Not even Putin has made this argument.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:14 | 4769674 I Write Code
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Blonde Russian babes wanted to meet him, he was just getting closer.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:14 | 4769675 shovelhead
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They all hate us anyhow...

Lets drop the big one now.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:00 | 4769693 ebworthen
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Bill Clinton not honoring a pledge?  Imagine that.  Hillary knows all about it.

The article should have ended right before "No Dancing".  What follows after that is repetitive.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:36 | 4769711 Son of Captain Nemo
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'Accordingly, he was a sitting duck for catcalls from neocon Republicans and spurious platitudes from the national security bureaucracy about “nation-building” and  America’s post-war role as the “indispensable” keeper of the peace."...

But you're forgetting the invisible "Chevron" and "Exxon/Mobil"  symbol(s) on the doormats at the front and back entrance to the White House and U.S. Capitol that tell ALL OF THEM what THEY WILL DO while in office?... 

Didn't just magically appear in 2013 for the first time at the "U.S.-Ukraine Foundation/CANVAS" Ukraine in Washington gala!...

No small wonder the oil companies simply adore academics and career politicians who never worked a day in their lives to run the "peoples business"?

Might as well include the "Ray McGovern(s)" who wrote this, that always reported to the Commander-in-Chief that Russia was a much bigger existential threat than they actually were who indirectly worked for those "oil companies" as well!


Sat, 05/17/2014 - 15:48 | 4769731 earleflorida
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this all reminds me of the 'begin'? the [someone let thy ravin in from within... ] cold-war!

please let me explain the similarities:  in 1949 the communist govt of china is official-- mao is the supreme leader and stalin in the ussr. as the japanese handed korea to the us/ussr to be negotiated by the u.n.. s. korea had been under u.s. occupation since aug/1945 -aug/1948 while n. korea was given total independence in which russia and china played a large part, also... but, both china and russia borders nw korea and ne korea, respectively today since 1948.

war breaks out on 6/25/1950, when n. korea attacks  south korea and thus the u.s. gets engaged in a small war from june/1950 til july 27, 1953 [3 yrs.], and, incidentally stalin dies march 5, 1953?

the war [note: ussr didn't get involved, and at the time there were still hundreds of thousands of japs still in southern china] could have been over in a years time or less with gen. macarthur's brilliant strategic victory at 'inchon' gaining all lost ground won by the n korean's and some. truman told macarthur not to go any further into n. korean territory except for using only s. korean forces. macarthur disobeyed and the chinese had threatened the u.s. adm if not they would send in a million troops. macarthur ignored the chinese threat and not only sent in troops deep into n. korean territory but they were american. the rest is history for the war ended in a stalmate [38th parallel] with a tremendous loss of life on the american side. macarthur was politely asked to resign...? his blunders in the philippines [clark field/ pearl harbor] were monumental which never did show the public what a hubris baffoon he actually was, not to mention italy.

next comes the vietnam war? a proxy war started by the the chinese or u.s. in dec/1956 til the fall of saigon on april 30,1975 [~3 yrs after n. korea].  the actual dates of direct u.s. involvement, '1959-1973?', advisors?!? note: the ussr was involved again as were the chinese. 

~ 15yrs later with kennan's containment... in which, for the most part eisenhower totally ignored, jfk, and lbj... with nixon finnished as u.s. president uses his last days to bring the communist china into the usa fold, had become useful for nato finally. but, russia was already showing signs of appeasement, and the people would have eventually rebeled under the communist rule without brzezenski fatal errors in afghanistan, now having endless wars in so many theaters around the globe, the new name for america should be 'Bush's Neophile`Broadway'!

great read, david

thankyou Tyler

 

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:02 | 4769771 Paracelsus
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Ask yourself why a country like Greece needs F-16's or German Diesel Submarines.

The IMF historically has given unmonitored cash to countries which has ended up in Swiss accounts of those in power.The Oligarchs then blow countless billions on defense equipment they don't really require,but comes in handy to put down riots and demonstrations.All this money has to be repaid.Then look at the internal auditing of the Finance ministries such as Greece.Black plastic trash bags tossed in the basement.Before one more country bends over to get "IMF'd",I would like to see the success versus failure rate worldwide.(Ukraine is starting off already in debt,gold confiscated,serious price escalation for foodstuffs on the way,and no doubt purchases of Defense equipment in the near future).

Here is a good question for ya,ZH'ers..Who is paying for the Blackwater merc's if the country is broke? Was this what the stolen gold paid for?

Also,it seems a bit rich that the currency,Hyrvinia,plummets in value while the gold has smuggled out.Is this the world markets passing judgement on events?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 16:56 | 4769873 Emergency Ward
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War Klown Willie: His Presidential Library has the main wing dedicated to bombing strikes and a side wing to fellation.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4769897 tony wilson
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eyema model attractive very femine.

many years ago my agent asked would i like to meet bill eye said sure.

4 hours later eye was in a private hospital with part of my face gnarled up.

i got stitched up and paid off and told never to talk about it or i would be really fucked.

 

bill clinton rocky roads scholar A

 

rhodes that guy had plenty of ideas part of a greater team of families.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 17:47 | 4769957 Boogity
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Yawn....   Putin's assertiveness is just well-deserved blowback after what the lying USA and all of its bankster carpet bagger vultures did to Russia during the 90's.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4770087 Bugsquasher
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He lost me at his describing Bush 41 and Sec. Baker as "world wise'.  Plese it was these assholes that failed to hold the communists to accounts for 70 some years of criminality and human slaughter on an industrial scale that made te Nazis look like rank amateurs.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:29 | 4770757 Anusocracy
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So now democracy is the vehicle of death. Government is the problem - it's Viagra for psychopaths - and what flavor it is doesn't matter.

What's your point.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:33 | 4770092 NickVegas
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Curious, no mention of central bankers having a role in policy.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:12 | 4770201 kedi
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Author may have assumed people reading such an article were well informed of connections of various things to it.

Nice thing about good commenters on internet based news and articles, is the additional information and links they sometimes add to the conversation. Creating a meta article.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:37 | 4770103 blindman
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Tonight The Bottle Let Me Down-Gram Parsons/ Flying Burrito Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4JkoGdFVhI
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Sat, 05/17/2014 - 18:43 | 4770122 PeakOil
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Re: media and why you won't find any reference to Stockman's comments in the MSM.

Here's another video from Monday nights in Berlin. This guy is on fire: Ken Jebsen  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:00 | 4770168 Goldilocks
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Elyza the Monkey has an Organ Grinder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAL4Jbn0868 (0:43)

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:09 | 4770194 blindman
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Olivier Latry Final improvisation of the Sunday Mass - Notre Dame de Paris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmlW_cdG88s

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:43 | 4770348 blindman
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gold...,
i got a good one for you.
No Judges ~ Kim Richey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeDkvyOVRqA
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Sat, 05/17/2014 - 19:16 | 4770209 blindman
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David Briggs improvising a Fugue at Saint Sulpice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOQvxK813J0

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:08 | 4770289 JR
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“I think NATO, without any question, has done more to promote security, more to promote prosperity, and more to promote freedom than any other alliance in human history.” – John Kerry, remarks at the Atlantic Council’s “Toward a Europe Whole and Free” Conference, April 29, 2014

Washington, D.C., also known as Globalism Central, is the “hub of the New World Order” in the words of AFP roving editor Mark Anderson.

At stake are U.S. sovereignty and constitutional limits. “It’s profoundly difficult to see how national autonomy and full-born globalization can live on the same planet,” says Anderson.

Interestingly, the title of the Atlantic Council’s meeting are the exact words spoken by NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmusssen “when he recently addressed the Brookings Institution in Washington. The purpose of the AC meeting was a special tribute to NATO and the European Union.

Writes Anderson: “Washington D.C. has become center stage for key globalization outfits that are on the move like never before. With more and more people waking up to the harsh realities of globalization, these organizations want to make quick, huge strides to tighten their control along economic and political lines before the awakening becomes too widespread.”

The purposes of these think tanks, such as the Atlantic Council and Trilateral Commission, says Anderson, “is to marinate members in the gospel of globalization and then send them on to public service.

High-level government officials who have come directly from the AC’s ranks, says Anderson, include AC Chairman James L. Jones who stepped down in 2009 “to become President Barack Obama’s national security advisor; he was replaced as AC chairman by Chuck Hagel, who had been a Nebraska senator. Hagel went on to become secretary of defense.

“Other big names include Susan Rice who left the AC to serve as Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations, Eric Shinseki who left to become secretary of Veterans Affairs and Anne-Marie Slaughter who became director of policy planning that the State Department.”

AC’s current chairman is Jon M. Huntsman Jr., former governor of Utah, and 2012 presidential candidate on the Republican ticket, and likely again.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/04/225380.htm

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:44 | 4770459 michigan independant
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Just shows that wilson and fdr where both assholes

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:52 | 4770468 22winmag
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Wilson repented before his death. I don't believe FDR ever did.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4770376 blindman
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speaking of coming in her mouth,
did he? or did she pull it out and
squirt that thing on the blue dress?
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ps. don't blame me, this is the business
of the oval or oral office, not my business.
apologies for having a memory.
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Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels-Devil in a Blue Dress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbr37_yPeY

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 20:58 | 4770380 blindman
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Bill Clinton loses the argument, asks How dare you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viq_qKv3Pk4
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bullies rule/s. how dare he?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:11 | 4770405 blindman
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and here, this, for those who remember it. for hitlery,
the demoncrats and the repugnicans, may they enjoy
rotting in designer thin air fed fecal money while their people
starve and kill one another due to the ignorance become
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.dogma, wielded by the high priests of fraud derivative
debt.
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tammy wynette stand by your man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:37 | 4770538 Aussiekiwi
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I blame Hilary, it all fell on Monica Lewinsky to keep Clinton relaxed, she did her part well.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:58 | 4770847 TheRedScourge
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"The father of the “containment” doctrine and the original instigator of Truman’s excessively and unfortunately aggressive anti-Soviet policy, George Kennan, had no doubt about the distilled lessons of half a century"

 

"unfortunately aggressive"? What a crock of shit. There is nothing unfortunate about ruthlessly opposing a philosophy which has racked up an unprecedented death toll in just a few short centuries. Fuck him with a pineapple sideways for even saying that. Granted, Clinton's elitism-biased decisions have been horrible, but deciding to use that phrase is far worse.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 03:39 | 4770909 OZZIDOWNUNDER
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Geab - Issue 85   http://www.leap2020.net/?lang=en

SNIPS:

Imagine a game of Monopoly in which a spoiled child, always blessed by good luck, suddenly begins to see its lead dwindle and, even more, the quickly approaching inevitable defeat. Rather than watching its ruin helplessly, in a rage this child prefers to overturn the board and bring the game to an end. No more game, no defeat. Of course, this child is the US which has now set out to destroy the world geopolitical, diplomatic and commercial game as the final solution to keep its dominant status and continue to impose its rules, to live beyond its means and deny the new realities.   Some are tempted to interpret the current US over-presence as evidence that the US is stronger than ever. However, the real powers are always discreet and Obama’s demonstrations of strength these days bear a strong resemblance to the frantic restlessness of a wounded animal, made aggressive by pain and impotence. This attitude is highly dangerous for the planet because we understand that the former world power is now ready for any kind of lunacy. It remains to count on the fact that the rest of the world won’t yield to provocation and that the US will finish by exhausting itself in this final hysteria and will finally accept to toe the line and heal its wounds.   We want to make the point about the serious US’ weakening and show to what extent, beyond the appearance of power projected in fits and starts by millions of Fed-printed Dollars, the US is now only a story, a Hollywood film, window-dressing for a sordid socio-economic reality… despite their TTIP negotiations which seem to be on the verge of success, despite their huge influence on Europe, despite the restlessness in the Ukraine and, finally, despite the myth of the “US recovery”

That paints a rather true picture -does it Not?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:38 | 4771156 RaceToTheBottom
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This is a very good article.
Stockman does better than most in not falling prey to the red VS blue gamesmanship, but he should have pointed out more that the "I'm tougher" statements in the Dole Clinton race caused both candidates to spout stupidities.

If Americans were smarter about world events and history, this would not have happened, but I guess that is asking too much.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 14:28 | 4771588 whidbey-2
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I fought the cold war and never thought it made sence ( the works of  a dying state - Russia - is gone now?). And today? Not worth dying over.  But small wars come from small slights, gone, or, foregiven aversaries.  Clinton was never an intellect, hower he knew one thing the Russians were worth getting it over with -- and Rattle snakes must be gotton off the world agenda.  So he tempered with a Russan messages from history on Ukrania an Gerogia:" Expand NATO, and all those incoming reports? Blow them off the table and get those consuming counties  into NATO. It is commerce that grows the western pies and strengths western poliltics.

We today stand on the edge of another generatoration hate session.  We have in the middle east and solved nothing. Will  the President into China?  Probably he has no political insight in Ukrain nor the Pacific.

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