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The FCC Issues its Proposal On Net Neutrality; Protesters Are Tossed from Hearing

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

As spring unfolds here in the Northern Hemisphere, the future of the free and open Internet hangs in the balance. As such, I strongly believe everyone should have at least some understanding of what is at stake. When most people hear or read the words “net neutrality” their eyes glaze over with a feeling of confusion and despair: “I can’t remember, am I supposed to be for or against this?” This is exactly how the lawyers and lobbyists in D.C. want it, but unless the citizenry is informed we could lose the most important weapon of free speech in the history of mankind.

Recognizing the convoluted nature of the subject, I did my best to lay out what “net neutrality” is and what is at stake with the current FCC rule-making process in my recent post: Say Goodbye to “Net Neutrality” – New FCC Proposal Will Permit Discrimination of Web Content.

Well the FCC voted on its proposal yesterday and it passed with a 3-2 vote. More on that later, first I want to share an article I recently read on The Verge, which is extremely important to understand before you form an opinion on what should be done.

The first buzzword you need to familiarize yourself with is “Title II regulation.” Title II refers to a key section of the Communications Act, which has to do with the classification of telephone providers as “common carriers,” and subjects them to increased regulation and oversight. When the Communications Act was updated in 1996, it appears that broadband providers would not be deemed “common carriers,” which would allow them to be largely unregulated. Yet, Verizon decided it wanted to be regulated under Title II when building out its broadband network. Why would it do this?

It turns out that building a huge broadband network isn’t cheap, and being more “regulated” actually gave Verizon a tremendous cost advantage. Verge notes that: “Title II designation gives carriers broad power to compel other utilities — power, water, and so on — to give them access to existing infrastructure for a federally controlled price, which makes it simpler and more cost-effective for cables to be run.

Here’s the really despicable thing. Now that Verizon has used Title II to build out much of its network, it now wants to turn around and play unregulated entity when it comes to pricing services that it built out under the guise of it being a heavily regulated business. You can’t make this stuff up. More from The Verge:

At issue is how (or if) the FCC will protect the internet’s openness, free of special treatment and data “fast lanes” offered to the highest bidders. And while Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, and others have been clamoring to prevent heavy regulation from being considered this week, it turns out that communications providers have actually been working the system for years, using exactly this kind of regulation to their advantage. In fact, strict FCC rules have helped Verizon build a largely unregulated network — a network that’s valued in the tens of billions of dollars.


Today New York’s Public Utility Law Project (PULP) published a report, authored by New Networks, which contains previously unseen documents. It demonstrates how Verizon deliberately moves back and forth between regulatory regimes, classifying its infrastructure either like a heavily regulated telephone network or a deregulated information service depending on its needs. The chicanery has allowed Verizon to raise telephone rates, all the while missing commitments for high-speed internet deployment.


In submitting to regulation, AT&T was designated a “common carrier” — in broad terms, an organization that will deliver something from anyone to anyone else — under a critical section of the Communications Act called Title II. When the Communications Act was updated in 1996, it appeared that broadband internet providers might fall under the same strict rules, but after a series of hearings, the FCC ultimately ruled in 2002 that cable modems were “information services,” a far less restrictive designation. In 2005, it ruled that DSL fell into the same category; today, effectively all internet connections are beyond the reach of Title II.


When Verizon talked about this broadband infrastructure with local regulators, however, it made clear it would lay the fiber for its next-generation network as a “common carrier pursuant to Title II of the Communications Act of 1934.” In other words, Verizon was making a move that, at a glance, seems counterintuitive: it asked for more regulation by building its fiber network under the same tight rules as the old telephone lines.


Why would Verizon — which, like all big telecom companies, is generally averse to government regulation — make a point of repeatedly noting that its fiber network fell under the same strict rules as the telephone system?


There are two reasons. First, Title II designation gives carriers broad power to compel other utilities — power, water, and so on — to give them access to existing infrastructure for a federally controlled price, which makes it simpler and more cost-effective for cables to be run. And that infrastructure adds up: poles, ducts, conduits running beneath roads, the list goes on. Second, Title II gave Verizon a unique opportunity to justify boosting telephone rates in discussions with regulators, arguing that these phone calls would run over the same fiber used by FiOS, Verizon’s home internet service. According to PULP’s report, Verizon raised traditional wired telephone rates in New York some 84 percent between 2006 and 2009, blessed by regulators in return for its “massive investment in fiber optics.”


Of course, telephone service isn’t the real reason Verizon has spent billions on fiber: landlines have long been a dying business, expedited on their trip to the grave by the smartphone revolution of the past decade. Rather, the fiber was laid to carry data — the very data Verizon doesn’t want subject to Title II regulation. It’s for FiOS in the home and for wireless backhaul, the backbone that connects cellular towers (including Verizon Wireless’ own) to the internet.


And as landline telephones lose ground to newer, better, and faster technologies, the folks left on these copper wires disproportionately skew toward low-income populations and the elderly — the demographics least likely to be able to take advantage of broadband. Yet it was their rate increases that were being used to subsidize the investment in Verizon’s fiber network. The PULP report estimates these rate increases have generated $4.4 billion in additional revenue for Verizon in New York alone, money that’s funneled directly from a Title II service to an array of services that currently lie beyond Title II’s reach.


Still, the tactic strikes many as hypocritical. “The network has to be built as a common carrier network, because there is no way to get that infrastructure in place without it,” says Earl Comstock, a lawyer at Eckert Seamans specializing in net neutrality who helped draft the Telecommunications Act of 1996. “Verizon knows it needs to offer just enough basic voice services on its fiber to claim that designation. But it doesn’t live up to those promises when it’s done building it out.”


With broadband internet’s anemic competitive landscape, this lack of regulatory accountability becomes even more troubling. According to a 2012 FCC report, roughly 27 percent of US households had only one choice to get a wired connection of 6Mbps or greater. Uncompetitive markets are the ripest for regulation; the dominant players in those markets, of course, would disagree. And while we wait to see whether the FCC will move to bring the internet under Title II to codify it as the public utility that is has become, Verizon and others are playing a regulatory shell game, spinning in and out of Title II rules at their leisure.

So always bear that in mind when you hear arguments from internet service providers (ISPs) about how devastating regulation is. As usual, it’s all about the money, and when it was profitable to be “regulated” Verizon had no issues playing that role.

Moving along to the FCC proposal vote, it is important to bear in mind that this is just the very beginning of the entire process and nothing has been decided yet. In fact, we have now entered into a 120 day public comment period. Specifically, the public will have until July 15 to submit initial comments on the proposal to the commission, and until Sept. 10 to file comments replying to the initial discussions.

To me, the most interesting aspect of the run-up to the proposal vote was a group of hardcore activists who camped outside of the FCC for a week in order to get their points across. I strongly recommend checking out the site OccupytheFCC and suggest signing their petition. When I signed it yesterday, it had over 200,000 signatures.

It appears this group had a meaningful impact and should be congratulated. For instance, the DailyDot reported that:

Wheeler has since amended his proposed rule changes, which will go before a vote Thursday, to be friendlier to net neutrality, though he still faces significant criticism.


“What’s exciting is seeing this mounting public pressure having a huge impact at the FCC,” Evan Greer, campaign manager at Fight For the Future, one of the groups organizing the protest, told the Daily Dot.


“A culture shift has happened here in the last week alone. This is a building almost no one goes to unless they’re an AT&T, Comcast, or Verizon lobbyist. Now it’s filled with flyers for net neutrality, carried in by employees handed them on their way to work,” she said.


But those activists, like most, want the Internet to be classified as a utility, like water and electricity, saying that would both give the FCC more regulatory control and accurately describes the reality of how important the Internet is to people’s everyday lives.

As a reminder, when you hear activists call for the Internet to be classified as a utility, they are essentially talking about Title II regulation discussed earlier.This is an extremely complicated subject, and I don’t have all or any of the answers. That said, from my research I would say that fast and slow lanes for web content based on who pays more or less money is completely and totally unacceptable.

I’m also not sure if regulating the Internet under Title II makes the most sense, but what I can say is that if a company like Verizon built out it’s network under a regulated environment then it should be responsible financially to contribute in a major way financially toward whatever solution makes the most sense to maintain a free and open Internet.

Finally, I want to highlight the following video of protesters being thrown out of the FCC hearing yesterday. It’s short and already has  over 125,000 views.

A Liberty Blitzkrieg commenter summarized the scene witnessed above perfectly when replying to a post yesterday by stating:

“The FCC meeting today, this 30 second video says EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND.




I know the lawyers , I am one, I can pick them out. This is a room full of lawyers.”

No wonder the Republic is in the state it’s in.


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Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:34 | 4770438 LetThemEatRand
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Mises of Canada would tell us that we should let the oligarchs decide.   What role is it of We The People to decide what we can read on the internet, by force?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:42 | 4770454 Spastica Rex
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They out-competed everyone else, that's why they're the oligarchs.

Game over - they won.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:04 | 4770489 LetThemEatRand
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Pretty much.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:06 | 4770498 duo
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Future History:

The third industrial revolution ended as the Age of Fraud began, starting with the decoupling of all currencies from gold by 1971. During the Age of Fraud, the wealth created by the second industrial revolution was siphoned off into the bank accounts of a small minority and the politicians they supported.

The Age of Fraud ended when the Information Age became the Disinformation Age, as the former middle class were convinced by the media that their newfound poverty was the natural order of things and that no other economic system was possible. Those who questioned the political and economic system were marginalized or met with a violent end.

The Disinformation Age ended in the worldwide energy crisis and famine of 2025.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:34 | 4770513 chumbawamba
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Here’s the really despicable thing. Now that Verizon has used Title II to build out much of its network, it now wants to turn around and play unregulated entity when it comes to pricing services that it built out under the guise of it being a heavily regulated business. You can’t make this stuff up. More from The Verge:

Oh, for fuck's sake.  Like it isn't obvious by now that this is how the game works?  Seriously, if this is new to you then consider your cherry popped and welcome to the de-virginized mob of the jaded.

Now, what are you going to do to change the status quo?

I am, as always, Chumbawamba.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:03 | 4770608 TeamDepends
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Ha ha FCC, NSA, PRISM, CIA, Banksters, Rothenfellers, whatever you want to call you, THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.  Go ahead and neuter the net, you are way too late!  You will only amplify the message you are trying to conceal.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 03:36 | 4770910 James_Cole
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This insanity is dangerous in the short term, but long term they're shooting themselves in the foot. Reminds me of napster, rather than find a way to a compromise the music industry fought tooth and nail. How'd that work out? There are lots of potential alternatives for open networks and the harder they try to clamp down the more incentive for people to move to another system.  

But in the short term three words apply to comcast, fcc et al: fuck these guys. Pathetic old dinosaurs. 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:43 | 4770979 GetZeeGold
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The Mao channel is blazing fast it's freaky.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:10 | 4771027 MeMadMax
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Whatever dude...


Regulations are the reason why there are no small startup companies that got going to challenge the big telecom companies...


And now you want to regulate them because they have gotten too big?


Whatever dude, all ur gonna do is create "piggyback" internet companies that use the big internet companies for network use.


An example would be MetroPCS uses Sprints network for phone calls, metro doesn't have its own network to speak of...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:38 | 4771262 11b40
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One of the key points of the article, if you read it all, was that Title II needs to be applied to the Internet providers, which is exactly why MetroPCS CAN piggyback onto Sprints telephone network.  Otherwise, what do you think Sprint would tell MetroPCS when asked permission to use their lines?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 08:27 | 4776756 MeMadMax
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Sprint allows shitty no name cellphone providers to use their shitty network because if they didn't then nobody would use their shitty service and they would go out the door...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:41 | 4770827 wolfnipplechips
wolfnipplechips's picture've said it well, Chumba. What are we going to do about it? With Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, EPA, mercs in Ukraine...the list goes on. What the fuck has to happen for this fuse to finally light!

Wake up shit heads, the wolves are at the door. To make things worse, they don't even care to try to disguise themselves any longer. They don't have any fear of us and our republic.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 03:32 | 4770907 bunnyswanson
bunnyswanson's picture  American Spring video of the people who showed up.  Your everday American, trying his and her best to save their country.  I am touched beyond tears as a Canadian that these people went, knowing the potential for a violent reaction to their assembly.

They are trying.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 15:58 | 4771721 medium giraffe
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Good of the guy with the camera to explain to the kids.  And the guy with the 'Don't drone us Barry' sign, I lolled.  You're right though, spirit still burning.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 07:43 | 4771008 BigJim
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The cat is only 'out of the bag' for some of us.

The vast majority of people are still sleeping... and unless they can read alternative views, will remain that way.

'What are we going to do about it?' - the only thing we can do... inform as many people as we can and hope to turn the tide. No revolt will work if the bulk of the people regard the existing regime as legitimate; if we can get enough people to regard it as illigitimate, than no revolt will be necessary.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:48 | 4771281 11b40
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CNN is about to cover this story right now.  11:47 Sunday morning.  The promotional clips show protesters being taken out of the room.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:02 | 4770799 mccvilb
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Actually they didn't, Rex, but you knew that, just forgot the /s tag. For example DC law firms line up at the front door of the FCC to be first to secure licensing rights for cell towers located all over the country as the FCC issues them. Today we live in a closed corporatocracy gifted through the generosity of our government leaders.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:41 | 4770947 jeff montanye
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generosity as in you give me a million of your money (campaign contribution) and i will give you a billion of their money (corporate subsidy).

wish the politicians would have a nice strong wave of "suicides" like the bankers.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:45 | 4771047 The Wizard
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In true competition there are rules established for fair play. Taking over the rules and manipulating them as the game is being played does not represent "out competing".

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 09:10 | 4771052 free_lunch
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But they have lots of well payed little helpers...

Now that's a salary:   ( @27 minutes 7sec )

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:30 | 4771149 Crash Overide
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The advance of technology will allow for dark or under nets to be created free from regulation, it's already happening. The more governments and corporations try to control something a funny thing happens, people get creative and come up with a workaround...

The bastards will not win this one.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:30 | 4771245 11b40
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No - it is not over.  In fact, the battle is just begining.  Screwing around with the Internet just might be their downfall by awakening the slumbering masses.

Plus, there are some very smart, technologically savvy folks  operating from their basements who are not going to be hapy with this.  Check out:

"Webhost Protests FCC's Net Neutrality Proposal By Limiting FCC Access To 28.8mbps."

I have no idea if whoever made and posted this video has had any effect in slowing broadband delivery to the FCC, but it really is an interesting idea.  Who knows what other creative ways an arroused citizenry can devise, but there are far more of us commoners than there are Oligarchs.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:44 | 4770458 James
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Just what does one expect from the Mises Institute when their funding comes from the Rockefeller Foundation???????

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:52 | 4770953 jeff montanye
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i'm a bit of a stranger in these woods but there seems some smoke and maybe fire to what you say.  this seems to treat the rockefeller interests with some objectivity bordering on distaste though:

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:19 | 4772562 James
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"this seems to treat the rockefeller interests with some objectivity bordering on distaste though"


Yes Jeff, That is their attempt to maintain anonymity after taking that cash.

Easily found links show a decade of giving and then none for a time, another length of time giving then none. Rinse/Repeat

Don't you see that their marching orders are given and then donor falls back until objectives are met and then repeated over and over.

Your link given was only the second time I ever went to site. Place gives me the creeps.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:12 | 4771480 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Just what does one expect from the Mises Institute when their funding comes from the Rockefeller Foundation???????"

Can you provide some links to back this up?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 07:01 | 4770986 BigJim
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 Mises of Canada would tell us that we should let the oligarchs decide.   What role is it of We The People to decide what we can read on the internet, by force?

Your reflexive hatred of all things Mises Canada appears to be leading you to jump the gun. I can't find any mention of the FCC's net neutrality deliberations on their site; however

seems pretty even handed.

My biggest gripe with many of my libertarian brethren is that many of them don't appear to consider that some services (in an economy that allows outright land ownership) can only have been established through government intervention seizing land via eminent domain; and thus the usual (excellent) arguments about markets and competition don't apply to them.

Krieger's article here is the best on the subject I've seen.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:18 | 4771492 Buckaroo Banzai
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"My biggest gripe with many of my libertarian brethren is that many of them don't appear to consider that some services (in an economy that allows outright land ownership) can only have been established through government intervention seizing land via eminent domain; and thus the usual (excellent) arguments about markets and competition don't apply to them."

It's all a trade-off, isn't it? All organized crime syndicates do at least some good, if for no other reason than the positive public relations it generates. So, the organized crime syndicate that is called "government" does indeed provide some benefit. But-- at what cost? I can easily imagine a world without railroads, public roads, electrical utilities and water utilities. It would simply be a much more decentralized world, and one where prosperity and power is much more easily lodged at the local level, instead of being concentrated massively.

Would society, overall, be less prosperous without government? I'm not at all sure it would be.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 15:04 | 4771644 Meat Hammer
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Buck, I thoroughly enjoyed reading that.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 16:19 | 4771745 BigJim
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Say we ignore all the issues with the notion of private land ownership - like who decided it was OK to grant monopolistic ownership/use of a parcel of land to whomever.

There still remains the problem that predatory groups will arise and attack and seize others' property. This leads people to gang together and appoint as 'protectors' those with the greatest martial prowess... who then become predators themselves.

I'm VERY sympathetic to anarchism but I suspect it's a brief state that happens after kingdoms/states turn into empires and then collapse.

I'm very open to dissuasion on this matter, because I'd like to be proven wrong; but history - and the workings of human nature - do seem to support my beliefs.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:22 | 4771229 Steve in Greensboro
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You can be 100% certain when a decision is made to increase the power of government and no mention is made by the press of party affiliation that the party driving the government power grab is the Democrats.

If you want to understand American party dynamics, read "The Ruling Class" by Angelo Codevilla.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:34 | 4770439 q99x2
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Great post. Long live Larry Lessig. I'll repost the video on some sites.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:57 | 4770589 williambanzai7
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What was he doing at Bilderbooger last year?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:09 | 4770623 TeamDepends
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Assuming the position?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:24 | 4770647 LetThemEatRand
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Sir?  Thank you.  May I have another?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 07:35 | 4771003 negative rates
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May the lord disembowel your dog for the sins of his owner past.  

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4770442 ZerOhead
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Verizon is run by some smart and unscrupulous motherfuckers.

I expect it to continue to outperform over the long term

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:18 | 4771126 Uncle Remus
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WTF isn't anymore?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:22 | 4771230 Urban Roman
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Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:37 | 4770446 mt paul
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net neutrality... not

the boys are fishing 

mouth of the Copper river

first red salmon of the season..

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:01 | 4770700 Wahooo
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Oh, man!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:35 | 4770764 Joe A
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A Frankenstein salmon

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 01:45 | 4770833 wolfnipplechips
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Copper River salmon are of the wild variety. Frankenstein salmon generally refer to the farmed versions.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:33 | 4771040 chapaev's ghost
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Irridated Fukushima wild salmon = genetically modified farmed salmon. I once was a commercial fisherman in Bristol Bay. There is no difference between the sick fucks who allowed nuclear energy and the sick fucks at the FCC. There are some sick fucks who work with their hands on the ocean or on the land, but the proportion doesn't approach 100%, like it does in the boardrooms or in the legislative chambers.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Isaiah 5:20

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:40 | 4770450 Confundido
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Vous avez la parole, expliquez vous...vous etes libre....


Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:43 | 4770549 LetThemEatRand
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Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.  De préférence la Rand.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:50 | 4770464 navy62802
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Did we even have internet service providers in the early days of the internet? I thought that it used to simply be run directly through the phone lines without any kind of ISP intermediary.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:19 | 4770510 ebear
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From your modem down a conventional phone line to an ISP, who leased bandwidth from a Telcom or other network provider.

So yeah, ISP's were there from the beginning.   Many, but not all, were bought out by the telcoms or cable co's, but the original ISP's were a seperate enterprise.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:17 | 4770635 sleepingbeauty
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That's not the way I remember it. I might be wrong but when we were starting out we got onto the boards. We would direct dial into the board and then we would download or upload files or chats. There was no ISP (I don't think). Maybe that technically wasn't part of the internet but it was group communication without an ISP. After that I remember that the local university had a way to jump online. It was back when you needed to know the ip address of the site you were going to. It was fun but had no where near the information that google has today. And slow, oh so painfully slow.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:59 | 4770698 umdesch4
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Yeah, that's mostly correct. We had dial-up BBS's. Then we had the internet, which was only really accessible through universities, research labs, and government/military. Pre-web, it was all ftp sites, telnet, usenet news, and some document-linkage with gopher, archie, veronica. It was true at first that you needed to know IP addresses, but DNS was fairly established by (at latest) 1990. Once html standard was finalized, and the whole 'www' came to life, people wanted to get online. That, and university graduates who wanted to keep their access once they left, were the first real market for ISPs. The first ISPs I knew of were little hole-in-the-wall places that managed to connect you up to the main "trunk" by leasing some of the traffic from the universities' clusters of T1-T3 lines.

Then AOL came along, and the internet has kinda sucked ever since... :P

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:10 | 4770940 mc225
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yea... 'pre 90s' the BBSs were basically 'the internet providers' (as you were mentioning, it wasn't really 'the internet').

one of the big, early non-internet BBSs was compuserv. it cost over $10 per hour at what were basically a progression through 1200, 2400,9600, 14.4k, 28.8k, 33.6k, 56k 'bauds'. by the time of 'internet providers' most people had 28.8, 33.6, or what became the standard; 56k modems. alongside of all of that, 'broadband' was being rolled out.

on compuserv, people used to use 'tapcis' to automate their sessions, being online only long enough for the uploading replies and downloading new messages, and writing further replies off line, lather rinse repeat... like classic bbs services, compuserv was basically text. the internet pretty much put compuserv out of business.

old style bbs... those were the days my friend... now we have video/pics/music, etc....




Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:40 | 4770982 GetZeeGold
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The cost of bandwidth will necessarily rise.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 14:02 | 4771561 ebear
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Bisecting rabbits here.

A BBS requires a host.  Likewise a WAN needs DNS and routing.  Those are services for which you paid, whether directly or through your univerity tuition.   Commercial ISPs were the beginning in terms of when the public at large started thinking about "the Internet" but there was always some entity who had to provide the connection.   Call thenm a "service provider" or not, but they still provided the service.


Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:50 | 4770465 Atomizer
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Just wait for Google, Bing, Facebook, Twitter and other social media sources nose dive on advert monetizing dependence.


You go Net FCC fucktards.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:58 | 4770795 BlackChicken
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The timing of this seems fishy to me.

The ISP's were in bed with the spy agencies to illegally hand over our information and violate our rights. We find this out very late in the game. They feared the rightful public outrage/anger over this breach of fiduciary duty/treason, and begin to refuse (allegedly) to continue.

Why now I wonder?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:59 | 4770955 jeff montanye
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because greenwald says he is finishing the biggest part of the snowden revelations, soon to be published (colbert) and the nsa is outsourcing the most clearly illegal stuff to the phone companies (empty wheel)?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 21:59 | 4770475 Tinky
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Why these rabble rousers can't confine themselves to designated gubbermint "free speech zones" is a mystery to me.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:01 | 4770957 jeff montanye
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it's a clearly marked "shower stall" a ways down that hall.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:04 | 4770487 km4
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Government gags Twitter and Yahoo over grand jury subpoena, court blocks companies from fighting back via @pandodaily

#democracy is alive and well in USA

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:56 | 4770792 JLee2027
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For the millionith time, America was not founded as a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:02 | 4770958 jeff montanye
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are you absolutely certain of that tense?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 20:02 | 4779335 JLee2027
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Sun, 05/18/2014 - 07:46 | 4771010 SmallerGovNow2
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words that don't mean jack my friend.  are we more free or less free?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 15:05 | 4771647 lakecity55
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We are NOW the United Socialist States of America.

We have a long way to go to restore Republicanism.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:06 | 4770496 bearwinkle
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I like how most if not all of the FCC commissioners were smirking - what a bunch of assholes. Karma will be a real payback bitchez! Funny how the internet, with videos like this, will be their judge and jury.



Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:08 | 4770620 LetThemEatRand
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The karma site is loading pretty slow.  But Huffington and Drudge and working great!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 07:37 | 4771004 negative rates
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That's ok, we'll hook some more karma just around the corner.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:45 | 4770780 Flagit
Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:31 | 4770978 Chupacabra-322
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The Criminals final breath on this earth is quickly coming. They will be hunted down like the dogs that they are & but dealt with accordingly. There will be absolutely NO escape

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:58 | 4771194 hootowl
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No trials.....just a well-placed metal-jacketed implant to exterminate the vermin.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 15:06 | 4771649 lakecity55
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Every single one of them is related to a Legislator.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 15:11 | 4771654 Meat Hammer
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Just wait. One day, very soon, one of these protesters is going to snap when he feels the arms of a cop grabbing him. When that happens, you will see the pent up frustration of the entire room explode and the blood of the statists will flow. It's LONG overdue.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:24 | 4770509 Yen Cross
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  Looks like I need to brush up on my proxy and torrent skills.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:25 | 4770519 Incubus
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Corporate Wars.  Google/AMAZON vs Verizon/ATT/Comcast


get the muppets lined up. 



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:11 | 4771334 11b40
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Yep, which is why I said in an earlier post that this is just the beginning of round 1.  This literally affects all of us, and there are big vested interests on both sides of the fight.  Usually, special interest regulations and legislation only directly affects a small subset of the population and a few major players.  Consequently, the public never really pays attention as 1.) most ate not affected, and 2.) there is little publicity or controversary.  This is going to be a huge fight, and the more the public learns, the more the Open Internet position will gain in popularity.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:26 | 4770523 Catullus
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5 bureaucrats making these decisions behind closed doors for decades and somehow the free market is to blame.

The history of the FCC has its roots in the defunct ICC.

Guess who lobbied for it at the time? The railroads. Why? So they could enforce their cartels.

After nearly a century they had to abolish the agency because they finally realized what a complete failure it was.

This myth that the government is regulating big business is one of the worst jokes of the past century. The Internet will become as obsolete as the railroads in due time. Yeah, it'll still be around and have its uses. But it won't be the vital part of people's lives in a few decades.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:24 | 4770646 Terminus C
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Agree with you on the regulation bit but, you think railroads are not a vital part of people's lives today?  Where the fuck do you live?


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:05 | 4770712 Milton Waddams
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The future...where we teleport? We, here in the future, don't need internet, we have telepathy. When you arrive, check out the party line, it's a blast!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:04 | 4770961 jeff montanye
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and the jetpacks don't forget the jetpacks.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:34 | 4770878 Catullus
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They're certainly vital for shipping cargo. But as transportation of people and communication, no. A local metro doesn't count. None of them are sustainable and all have been funded with federal gasoline taxes which we were told are for road construction.

I've taken a train to get from one city to another twice in the US in my life: Acela from Baltimore to NY. Other than that line, I would never take a train. Not even Baltimore to Boston which is the rest of the Acela line.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:31 | 4770529 holdbuysell
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"Strict FCC rules have helped Verizon build a largely unregulated network — a network that’s valued in the tens of billions of dollars."

To put this in perspective, Yellen prints a multiple of these said networks in a month.


Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:42 | 4770542 CaptainSpaulding
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No internet for me. I have my Columbo and McCloud DVD's all cued up. I love that Dennis Weaver. I know i am old fashioned.  Dvd's are so 2012

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:06 | 4770962 jeff montanye
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you play pool with dvds?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:41 | 4770547 Atomizer
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FCC------ Weirdo attempt to form new slaves to kinder the new demonized society.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:49 | 4770567 EscapingProgress
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If there is ever an alien invasion I'm siding with the aliens no matter how ugly their women look.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:13 | 4770854 Incubus
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imagine what those tentacle vaginas can do... if you can survive the flesh eating xenoviruses

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4771497 hooligan2009
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hahahaha..thanks for that..sunday sunny!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 22:55 | 4770579 bardot63
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"....I’m also not sure if regulating the Internet under Title II makes the most sense...."---Mike Krieger. Liberty Blitzkrieg

Ten thousand words from this say we are all being hosed by the government and the phone companies....yeah, that's news to everyone.  Get to the point, asshole and tell me something I don't know.  Waste of my fucking time.  Spell out the danger or come back when you've got something to say.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:00 | 4770599 Omegaman2211
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Too fucking long. Didn't fucking read.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:28 | 4770653 Terminus C
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The problem with today's society in two short, Twitter approved, sentences. 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:15 | 4771345 11b40
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Cause you are too fucking dumb?

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:14 | 4770630 starman
starman's picture

The best thing for earth is to have human kind dissapear from it!!

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:29 | 4770655 Terminus C
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Find a bridge and get the party started...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:53 | 4771186 hootowl
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.............beginning with you, of course.

Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:36 | 4770662 joego1
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I had a web site for my business and since I live in a small town I thought search engines would find my web site if the user just typed in "electrical contractors in smallville" but even though there are no other electrical contractors in my small town it doesn't come up. Plenty of garbage comes up in a search which nobody would be interested in though. I looked into all the ways  to get my web site to show up but it turns into pay Google or some other outfit more that it's worth. The net is already owned by Google and the rest of the pirates but there are ways to work around it if there is enough of a underground willing to work together to do it.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 03:36 | 4770908 StychoKiller
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Search engines rank your website by the number of links to your website found on other internet webpages -- more links, more popularity.  Ask your hardware vendors to link to your website, for starters.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:35 | 4771401 Christophe2
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IN THEORY, or at least in public that's how they say it works, but all the search engines are black boxes under the control of sociopaths.

To get a good sense of just how EVIL Google clearly is, try putting a critical review of an abusive local business through Google Maps' review system: your review will most probably disappear without a trace, by design, and they'll never tell you what's wrong with it.  Google's "solution" and guideline?  Try to blindly modify little bits of your review, and then resubmit over and over, until maybe one day it gets past what their filter...

(Google ALSO blocks positive reviews of good, independent businesses too, 'cos TPTB wouldn't ever want THOSE to flourish, now would they???)


Sat, 05/17/2014 - 23:44 | 4770673 g'kar
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They should have just called it "Comprehensive Internet Freedom". It would have went over with a bang, especially since they are doing it for the cheeldren..

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:27 | 4770754 narlah
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More like Internet Patriot Protection Act ...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:03 | 4770708 kchrisc
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It was evident after the criminals got busted at Sandy Hoax and Boston Boom that their next move would be on the Internet. The Bundy ranch treason also reinforced this as well. They sense that their lives literally depend on it. I would say that it's too late.

In the next year or so we will see some draconian take downs of truth,or"dissent," sites like ZH, etc. "Kiddie-porn, "slander" (anonymity) and "copyright" infringement will be the cover.


"My guillotine doesn't have Internet."

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 09:24 | 4771072 Ignatius
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It must piss off those who own/control MSM that the internet came along after they'd invested billions to consolidate and control the media.  This clamp down was predictable and was predicted.  Fuck 'em.

If we need our parallel universe then let's build our own.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:04 | 4770709 buyingsterling
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There's no difference between demonrats and republipussies - this is further proof. Both parties stand squarely behind internet regulation of content and internet sales taxation.

Republipussies sometimes get it right. Anyone that would rather live under demonrats is either pathetic (helpless and dependent) or literally mental.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:39 | 4770770 Schmuck Raker
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How many submachine guns has the FCC bought recently?

Just curious.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 16:28 | 4771761 medium giraffe
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I think they'll end up just buying a big fucking pile of guns and dishing them out to whoever on the payroll wants one. 


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 00:45 | 4770779 Joe A
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Look at these arrogant faces of these board people. They are the whores of corporate fascism.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:16 | 4770864 fencejumper
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Yes, the bored board people!  ;-)

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:10 | 4770855 fencejumper
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Btwn losing net neutrality, the 'secret' TPP, GMOs, US citizens taxed w/out representation and the NSA, We Are Fucked!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:25 | 4770870 bunnyswanson
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Take names.  Remember faces.  Never forget this pompous assholes because they are NOT going to get the world to call their own.  They have not earned the right.  They do not deserve the power.  They are unworthy of the position of leadership.  They should be in prison, every goddam one of them.  This new world order designed by men in silk suits, 3rd generation fraternity brats who arrived here with a silver spoon in their mouths and traveled a road already paved in gold just for them are weak links in the chain of the evolution of man.  The internet, the library for the world, is ours, not theirs. 

Monopolies are the death of capitalism.  Competition keeps men honest, we all know this.  Developed nations' politicians are destroying the very people who gave them the power to be where they are.  Fuck you all.  I hope I see you suffer before I die.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 02:54 | 4770888 aminorex
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Take names, then hunt them down and kill them.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 04:46 | 4770933 Atomizer
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Get lost in the crowd, then invite your friends. Drop, save, and share any pin location with the #GoogleMaps app


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:36 | 4770981 Chupacabra-322
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Sun, 05/18/2014 - 03:25 | 4770904 Sudden Debt
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America is floating down to become one of the most dangerous tyrants of the world.

When we'll get a new world war, it will probably be everybody against America like it once was all against Germany.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:24 | 4770943 Atomizer
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Profiling your social media terrorism has never become easier, All funded on the US/IMF taxpayer dole.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:41 | 4771046 greatbeard
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>> them Germans.

For christ's sake, that's a fucking blog.  You do understand anybody can say anything on a blog and it's proof of nothing?  One of the best things to come out of the internet are blogs.  And one of the worst things to come out of the internet are blogs. You folks, who infest the internet, who run around pointing to some obscure posting on a blog as proof of your conspiracy theory are the intenet's version of white trash.  Fuck off.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 09:09 | 4771059 ZeroPoint
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I fully believe that at some point, the rest of the world is going to unite and end once and for all the 'American experiment'.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 04:41 | 4770931 Atomizer
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Connect, share ideas, and discover our scam opportunities.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 04:44 | 4770932 MSO
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I don't understand why the internet isn't payed for by the consumer at a per megabyte rate. I pay for the 10 gigabytes per month that I use and you pay for 10, 20 or 100 gigbytes you use. What am I missing?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 04:52 | 4770935 Atomizer
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You must be young. Cable TV was sold as a low cost entertainment solution without commercials.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:26 | 4771379 11b40
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It isn't a fight over how much you use.  It's about how fast your get it.

How long would it take to use 100 gigs at 28.8mbs?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4770936 Atomizer
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Satellite Radio flopped. Now they expect to repeat the same flawed business model on the internet. Sometimes it’s best to put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Can you hear me now? Not you, them.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:03 | 4770959 orangegeek
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If the majors try to lock down the internet, watch private networks pop up that will eventually bypass majors.


Google did it when Verizon and cable companies fucked with their access.


If slow lane/fast lane succeeds, it will be short term.  Building and administering networks is not that complicated anymore.


But dealing with cut cables is a major pain in the ass, right Verizon?? 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 06:26 | 4770975 young turk
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sure is


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:52 | 4771050 Ol Man
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Government of, by and for the corporations...8>(



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 08:59 | 4771054 Hail Spode
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I strongly object to the tone of the article.  Whatever Verizon's abuses may be, it should be dealt with by holding Verizon alone accountable, not seizing regulatory power over the internet.   "Net Neutrality" my tail-feathers.  There is nothing less "neutral" than making the government the referee.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 09:29 | 4771076 Ignatius
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All games have rules of play.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:27 | 4771145 Bill of Rights
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We are owned

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:06 | 4771204 rsnoble
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No we're not fucking owned that's a mindset.  If enough people pull together they can accomplish anything.  

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:28 | 4771147 Spankrupt
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The USSA keeps hitting lower plateaus.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:45 | 4771425 Uncle Remus
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And it's not even bullish for Cat...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 10:34 | 4771157 william114085
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i still haven't a clue

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 11:05 | 4771202 rsnoble
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About goddamn fucking time ZH wakes the fuck up and starts posting shit about this.  Thanks for alerting everyone with only 4 months left to D-day.  I fucking swear.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:10 | 4771328 moneybots
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How much bandwidth does Netflix use as opposed to Zero Hedge?  Netflix is a bandwidth hog, yet wants to be treated equally with Zero Hedge.  Why should someone who doesn't use netflix be subsidising someone who does use a bandwidth hog?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:42 | 4771418 Uncle Remus
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Socialsts to the left of me

Nazis on the right

Here I am

Stuck in Amerika.

mit Ihnin.


The hour is getting late...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 12:46 | 4771427 Christophe2
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I think one of the more outrageous aspects of the internet is how costs keep going down EXPONENTIALLY for all the hardware used to build and manage the infrastructure (especially as calculated by bandwidth), and yet costs never go down for customers...

In Canada, nearly all broadband access comes METERED, and the overcharges per gigabyte are outrageous.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:07 | 4771443 withglee
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Of course, telephone service isn’t the real reason Verizon has spent billions on fiber: landlines have long been a dying business, expedited on their trip to the grave by the smartphone revolution of the past decade.

Fiber "is" landlines. Copper landlines are enormously more expensive to maintain than fiber. Telephone service "is" data. It has been for a very very long time. Title II claims "are" about having power of eminent domain.

It is the government that "wants" control of the internet. It is carriers like Verizon which can give them that control through the necessity of the "backbone". It's not just about physical routing. It's about hops. In a packet switched network data moves from node to node which is called a hop. Internet Protocol (IP), in order to deliver voice data between subscribers must be able to do so in 1/8 second or less. IP hops take a relatively long time when latency and small payloads are the order of the day. Thus, the only way IP works for voice is by minimizing hops. The way to minimize IP hops is with a backbone ... i.e. transiting from one end of the country to the other can be accomplished in 1 or 2 hops rather than thousands off the backbone.

We're about to see other existing technologies blow this model. First: ATM (Asychronous Transfer Mode) will be rediscovered. ATM can make thousands of hops to IP's one. Second: UWB (ultra wide band) will be employed allowing huge wirelesss bandwidth requiring very low power over relatively short distances in a self implementing mesh network.

Picture a device that looks like a clay pidgeon. The device is a self powered miniature ATM node. To lay down a network, you just drive from point to point ejecting nodes like you eject clay pidgeons. They could even be glued onto the roads like lane reflectors are now. They would be so cheap, "reseeding" would be cheaper than recharging.

Further, your smart phone and your car and your refrigerator and your stereo would have such a node implemented in it. Thus, as people congregate, the mesh network concentrates and bandwidth and connectivity increases (unlike cellular networks behave today).

When this technology is deployed, the fiber and copper infrastructure and even cellular tower implementations are immediately obsolete. If you want to hear real squealing, watch for carrier FUD as this new (actually existing off the shelf now) technology is rolled out by new maverick players ... immune to any regulation. It would genuinely be owned by the commons. The carriers could not compete at all.

And the government will be on the carrier's side. They absolutely "can't afford" to give up control of the internet to the commons. It's their only chance to control the message now that they have lost the effectiveness of the MSM to spread their propaganda. All existing NSA schemes would be made obsolete. How do you tap an amoeba?

It's going to be oh so much fun to watch.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:33 | 4771522 g'kar
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"It's going to be oh so much fun to watch."



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 13:59 | 4771558 Papasmurf
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Out where I live, Verizon wheeled and dealed (and sued) Montgomery County to obtain a franchise for delivery of television and internet, which was only delivered by cable companies until then.  They promised to bring broadband to the rural areas of the county as part of the agreement.  Once they got the right of ways and the franchise in place, they trenched in spools of orange conduit, the equivalent of a contractor dropping off a wheel barrow to say work has started.  That was in 2006 or so.  These unsighly spools of orange conduit are still strapped to the side of telephone poles eight years later, but no fiber was ever pulled through.  There is no wired broadband internet or cable TV around here for miles. 

Cable won't expand here if Verizon also has a franchise, because it's not economic for half the biz,  so we do without.   Basically Verizon is a squatter, liar and thief.  Fuck Verizon.  Now AT&T is trying to buy DirecTV, the only means of television access in rural Montgomery County.  Fuck AT&T.  Fuck these broadband liars.  I invested in AT&T years ago (2000) when they promised "fiber to the curb".  I lost my ass on that investment too.  Fuck em all.  

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