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Over 3000 Chinese Evacuated (By Boat & Plane) As Vietnam's Anti-China Riots Escalate; Taiwan Also On "High Alert"
China began evacuating hundreds of its nationals from Vietnam (via at least 2 planes and 5 ships) as the anti-China protests have become increasingly deadly following Beijing's attempt to deploy an oil drill in Vietnamese dispuited waters (detailed here, here, here, and here)...
- *CHINA SENDING 5 SHIPS TO VIETNAM TO EVACUATE CHINESE: XINHUA
- *HUNDREDS OF VIETNAMESE SECURITY IN CENTRAL HO CHI MINH CITY
- *VIETNAM PRIME MINISTER ISSUES DIRECTIVE TO PREVENT PROTESTS
- *VIETNAM GOVT TAKES ACTION TO PREVENT RIOTS: BINH
Hundreds of police and security forces are in central Ho Chi Minh city and the Chinese consulate is under heavy guard. Tensions across the ASEAN region are growung as Taiwan is on "high alert" but the bloc’s inability to craft a united response to Chinese aggression signals a further decline in its regional clout.
Anti-China protests in #Vietnam: ST reader Ben Beo was at the scene last night & took this pix http://t.co/hIVx5U1P0R pic.twitter.com/cKHl031ilF
— ST Foreign Desk (@STForeignDesk) May 14, 2014
The Vietnamese government has called for an end to the protests...
Vietnam's prime minister appealed for calm last night ahead of expected anti-China demonstrations in Ho Chi Minh City today.
A text message from Nguyen Tan Dung was sent to every cellphone in the country urging citizens not to "commit violations of the law" in defence of the "sovereignty of the sacred fatherland".
His office also ordered the police and local leaders to halt further illegal demonstrations. His plea came after China's deployment of an oil rig in the disputed Paracel Islands in the South China Sea unleashed a wave of deadly protests.
But the Chinese are clearly not leaving anything to chance... (Via PTI)
More than 3,000 Chinese nationals have been evacuated so far from Vietnam after the recent deadly violence, China's Foreign Ministry said today.
They returned to China with the assistance of Chinese Embassy to Vietnam, the Foreign Ministry said in a press release.
China says two of its nationals were killed in the violence and more than 100 others injured while the official death toll was put at 21.
Via 2 Planes...
China S Airlines on Sun will arrange two Airbus A320 fly btw to Vinh City - Guangzhou to transport about 300 Chinese nationals back to China
— People's Daily,China (@PDChina) May 17, 2014
and 5 ships...
China is to send five ships to Vietnam today to evacuate Chinese nationals after protests against Chinese in the country last week, the official Xinhua News Agency reports in a one-paragraph report, citing the Ministry of Transport
The official death toll is unclear...
- *VIETNAM CONFIRMS 2 CHINESES DIE IN RIOT, ABOUT 140 INJURED
The tension is spreading across the ASEAN region...
*TAIWAN ON HIGH ALERT OVER PROTESTS IN VIETNAM TODAY
And the lackluster response from ASEAN is extremely serious... (via The Diplomat)
As Vietnamese and Chinese ships jostled and fired water cannons at each other – the best ASEAN could do was issue another summit statement urging restraint and expressing “serious concern,” timidly avoiding any mention of China.
Furious protesters have trashed 15 Chinese factories in Vietnam, forcing Chinese investors and tourists to flee across the border and into the safety of Cambodia. Golfers in Danang reported fighter jets overhead, heading out to sea.
Observers said it was the first time Vietnam had allowed the state-run press to freely cover the protests, which the government also allowed to proceed. However, Singapore-based Channel News Asia was taken off the air after flagging a report on the protests.
At least 200 people have been arrested and the Vietnamese government has pledged to crack down on hooliganism.
“It is clear that China’s new assertiveness is triggering anxieties among its neighbors,” said Ernest Bower, of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
ASEAN has long been ridiculed as a toothless tiger and its behavior amid the current standoff between China and Vietnam – perhaps the greatest challenge to face the group – only reinforces the claims.
If ASEAN genuinely wants to be taken seriously, now might be an appropriate time for a united public front on China’s territorial ambitions in the seas that divide the bloc’s 10 nations. If it is unable to do that, then individual member states face the daunting task of dealing with Beijing on their own, further relegating ASEAN to the political sidelines and undermining its diplomatic credentials.
The bloc’s inability to craft a united response to Chinese aggression signals a further decline in its regional clout.
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Di di mau, mother fuckers. Need an extra bullet?
Vietnamese hate the Chinese like Arabs hate Jews.
Well if they didn't before they sure do now.
I have no idea how they did it (fake geological siesmic data showing vast oil reserves hacked by the Chinese perhaps?)... but I'm going to have to chalk this one up as a win for Team Obama.
China = Predator
Anyone else feel the implicit "Please, United States, step in and save us from the evil Chinese"?
Sorry, but we ain't coming to the rescue any more (and I think our credibility as the "good guy" is about shot anyway). Get off your ass and do it yourselves or live with the alternative.
Sorry. It may not be fair, but that's how it is.
Apparently, boys and girls, ‘Peace through strength’ was never seared… SEARED… into the minds of the American people. The pendulum will swing back; unfortunately not before a lot of violence and death.
Eventually we will have someone like Les Grossman as US Sec State and the world will be right again…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcAQzcjc1h0
(insert additional Tropic Thunder clips as appropriate)
ASEAN is useless. Cambodian fell after a week after fighting Vietnam in 1979. Thailand and Malaysia, Indonesia won't stand a chance against the Chinese.
Only the Vietnamese has a record of and can stand up to China. They have plenty of young people who are dying to die and kill Chinese. THey just need weapons, which USA and Japan will love to sell to them in return for oil as collateral. Sound like a good deal for US war money making machine. Get rid of super power competitor like China and get oil in return.
Interesting to see how it will turn out.
Another point, the million or so ethnic Chinese in Vietnam now should also clear out when they have a chance. Once the shooting starts, these ethnic Chinese are as good as fertilizers.
It should be pretty fun when it comes to the Philippines also!
They all look the same to me.
How in the world can they tell the difference???
They are all a bunch of communists. Can't they all get together and have a peace fire while chanting Marxist slogans with a red orgy afterwards?
Capitalist America attacked Communist Vietnam and lost, Communist Vietnam attacked Communist China and lost, Vietnam and China became Capitalist, America became Communist, now Capitalist Vietnam asks for help from Communist America against attack from Capitalist China.
What a FUCKING planet of apes...
BWHAHAH! Stop it, I almost choked on my coffee!
You nailed it. Just one question: How could we be so stupid?! And I see no hope on the horizon. As Pat Buchanan once said, "Like Thelma and Louise, we are going right over the cliff."
Individually, they are weak. But I wonder though. China seems to have territorial disputes with pretty much all neighbors, except perhaps for North Korea and Mongolia. If everyone gangs up, they may amount to something.
You mean you can't be everywhere at once? Dang That kind of sounds like guerilla warfare. Payback China.
Aggression like this tends to be a sign of societal weakness or collapse. Chinese leaders need to distract the masses from the imploding reality.
That was the premise of a book (fiction) I recently read from an author named Larry Bond. He used to collaborate with Tom Clancy on a couple of Clancy's earlier books. His premise was that, initially, Japan, the Phillipines and Vietnam got together to fight the Chinese and later on, a couple of other countries, including Taiwan and India, came into the action against hte Chinese. Interestingly, the US tried to play the peacemaker in this story, which is why you could tell it was a work of fiction.
"...you could tell it was a work of fiction."
To deploy an offshore oil platform with a deadline of Aug-15 is.
To instead not pick a fight with Japan is.
To act "aggressively" after TPP agreement stalled is (even when holding off joining now).
The probable non-fiction is not wanting to be world policeman --- so help is on the way, Mr. President.
Playing the part of US.gov in this scene Ben Stiller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVagQ_LVd4
This attitude on the part of the Chinese, is the only thing that keeps them from being the next superpower. America became what it is today in great part because people around the world loved America. deserved? maybe, maybe not. Irrelevant.
China can not be respected internationally if they bully their neighbors. It would have been much cheaper for China to form a joint venture operation with the Vietnamese. Look at all the money their wasting with their stupid Navy! for what!! Peace, is a hell of a lot cheaper than warmongering.
China needs to get this....
This is false. America has very dubious territorial claims with Canada, and Canada just lets America walk all over it because it knows they can't stand up to them. See the Canadian government's hilarious policy on the American use of the Northwest passage.
Maybe Canadians can learn a thing or two from the Vietnamese. I'm all for a little rioting and Yankee hanging.
Hyperbole and "talking smack" notwithstanding, your post fits my observation of a new rush of anti-Americanism in Canada. I think the recent ignominious ass-kissing by Prime Minister Harper and Foreign Affairs Minister Baird with respect to events in Middle East and the Ukraine has raised a lot of public ire among those who do not share the sentiments of bought-and-paid-for politicians. I used to support Harper and the current government in many areas, but their behaviour recently is embarrassing. Unfortunately, the only potential opposition leaders in the wings are a barking socialist moron and a boob son of a dead Francophonic sociopath.
I think it's perfectly fair, considering how much blood the people that called themselves Americans had to spill over there by conscription.
And you joined up voluntarily. Sucker? Or do you care to explain? Were you protecting my freedom?*
*Nice. Fucking Work. And I like what your military has done with the police.
There was a draft for Vietnem.
I'm sure you understand the meaning of conscription, right?
Ultimately, there are no "good guys", only rival gangs vying for control.
Some gangs just had better PR than others for a longer time.
and "rival gangs" push their mind-memes, because once they get you to believe their "story" pushed,
then you're Hook'd on their Drug.
parallels abound once you dis-engage and look for 'em.
"via the Diplomat" shouts "neo-con meddling alert" to me...
Its american bravado in ukraine causing the chinese to act like punks too. Meanwhile, where will vietnam be economically if they have poor relations with china?
Capitalist America attacked Communist Vietnam and lost, Communist Vietnam attacked Communist China and lost, Vietnam and China became Capitalist, America became Communist, now Capitalist Vietnam asks for help from Communist America against attack from Capitalist China.
What a FUCKING planet of apes...
Vietnam and its sovereignity is guaranteed by the currently unsigned one-way defence agreement by Team Obama, between the good Communists of Vietnam against the bad Communists of China. That includes every Vietnamese fish, fowl and also oil resources in, near, under or over Vietnam's 200 km defence and economic zone.
Time to draft the cannon fodder./sarc/
And the Japanese hate the Chinese and vice-versa. Kirk was wrong. Tribalsim will never die.
It's evolutionary.
Why should we expect to be wired differently than other primate species?
(Or quite a few other species for that matter...)
Ok, so Ralph Lauren, Van Heusen, Arrow, and so on will move their factories to Bangladesh or Cambodia where the starving people there will greet them with open arms.
"Cutting off your nose to spite your face," is what Momma always said can be a bad thing.
Evolution takes time. The world is a bit different than it was 18 years ago.
Are you seriously a military guy preaching free markets? Jesus. What unit were you in? How's your government pension? Fuck. Are you fucking serious? And you call yourself a fucking libertarian? Fuck you. Explain yourself you fuck. And tell us how much you receive each month in government benefits. It NEVER fucking fails with you guys.
I counted six...,
must be some sort of record.
It would be nice if we could be more like bonobos than chimpanzees. Their first reaction to meeting another tribe is to copulate with them like crazy.
Totally agree. Bonobos are a major exception to the rule.
It will never die because of folks like you.
No worries, John Kerry is familiar with the place. He'll get there swiftly.
Actually I think he was there to kill them last time. Or was that the time before?...
"Actually I think he was there to kill them last time. Or was that the time before?..."
He was on river cruises except he wasn't allowed to use the family yacht.
I hear it's been a while since McCain holiday'd there too.
I hear the Hilton is a nice place to stay...
They still have a room reserved just for him. The civilians in the neighborhood he was bombing in Saigon when was shot down want to have another chat with him.
He was bombing Hanoi....substantial difference. Even someone with McCain's awful record as a pilot couldn't be off by that far ;-)
'Vietnamese hate the Chinese like Arabs hate Jews.'
Reversed order in the latter portion of your analogy, no?
Hory Fruck
"Hory Fruck"
That's racist!
How about: Chinese Firedrill?
If they want to make some real impact they should start killing relatives of politburo working for JPM in New York.
Bullish?
Bullish. S&P 500 to 2250.
Bullish!!
No! Burrish!!!
"A text message from Nguyen Tan Dung was sent to every cellphone in the country urging citizens not to "commit violations of the law" in defence of the "sovereignty of the sacred fatherland"."
Can you imagine the reaction if Obama sent a similar message to every cell phone in America? Well.....don't waste too much energy imagining this because it is coming soon to the USA.
They will never be THAT blatant, but it's already here. Emergency alerts, amber alerts, etc. they will never send a "remain calm, all is well" text. The ptb aren't that daft.
Why do 'we' always believe 'they' would/will never do 'that'? Are 'we' still laboring under the myth of exceptionalism?
If the last 15 years has taught us anything it is that 'they' will do 'anything' they want to do under cover of some pretext or another. Desperate men will do desperate things. How far down the slippery slope have we slide and how much further can, and will, we slide?
Cog... I could be wrong but they don't appear to me to be in a desperation mode yet.
That day will ultimately arrive however.
I agree. 'They' aren't desperate.....yet.
But soon enough 'they' will be. Another stock market plunge to rival 2008-09, or worse, will send them to the Plan XYZ folder to try and pull another rabbit out of their hats.
Their Plan XYZ, whatever that is, doesn't worry me as much as them pulling plans out of their ass. Desperate men are not careful nor do they take time out for contemplation. Besides, never let a crisis go to waste.
You are presuming the stock market crashes aren't part of the plan.
It'll be in the plan... just not the trigger.
That will have to be something originating from an external threat. The market (and Wall Street) will be seen as colateral damage stemming from the external threat.
Then the Fed will be free to pump 10's of trillions into the market to the cheers of everyone with a 401k.
Actually I am not. What concerns me is the colossal hubris demonstrated by these sociopaths. They believe they can control all outcomes.....or at least benefit from them. There is a point when the tsunami clears all the beaches, even the ones populated by the sociopaths.
True about the tsunamui, but if you know it's coming (because you set off the bomb that starts it) then you can profit from it massively. You are correct that humans cannot predict the future always, and they are playing for huge gains (and therefore, huge risk) but, really, same as it ever was.
Yup... a smart bunch of sociopaths is a whole lot better than a stupid bunch of sociopaths.
I'm trying to figure out which kind we have running the show here.
(It would appear we have the stupid kind... unless they have a brilliant plan we are unaware of...)
Smart sociopaths are less interested in order (control), than chaos. For it is in chaos where the smart sociopath prospers, most.
Chaos is where the big opportunities arise for the individual or small group no question about it.
Creating chaos while you are in control of all the levers already however is not something I would see as advantagious to TPTB unless it is accompanied by a radical new control paradigm.
Pretty sure the intelligence agencies are running the show. Smart sociopaths who appear to be looking to flip the world on it's head. You look at things like the Denver Airport for example and you know they a) have access to almost an infinite amount of money on demand and b) at least one possible outcome requires a very large doomsday bunker.
If I were to guess based on everything I've looked into, it would seem the Luceferian Gnostics --the Freemasons and Jesuits who appear to run the intelligence agencies, the UN and the media --are looking to complete their plans of world domination. (If that sounds crazy to you ... you haven't been far enough down the rabbit hole.)
ps. I'm in no way religious.
if you take all the "belief systems" you list, add in a few extras for good measure, there are areas where they overlap, compliment, and conflict. . .
I like to entertain the "need to know" meme - where each Agenda is working towards its own goals, believing it's ahead of the game/winning, yet in many areas unaware of other similars working parallel Agendas. little bubbles of realities.
inevitably, many will be surprised as the Plot unfolds, thickens, deepens. . . as some bubbles *PoP*
chaos is inherent, no One story Over All.
ps. ditto the religious "no way"
Agreed.
Though the Luceferian Gnostics are likely at the top of the list in orchestrating it all because their phillosophy seems to match pretty closely with what we see going on in the world going back centuries if not mellenia. ie. The Tempars use of usury, infiltration, and assasination as a means of control, their heavily "Jewish" Kabalist influences, their general obsession with Egypt, and other general heavily used symbolism like the Templar Pirate's Death-head/Skull and Bones (which from what I gather represents the "Holy Grail" --which is not an actual artifact but a specific philosophic insight.. not unlike the Spear of Destiny).
Have you read "The Armegeddon Conspiracy", by M. Hockney?
No, not yet.
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-surprising-things-you-didnt-know-about...
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/4424 (2007)
http://www.uvsj.com/news/article_6e8101c5-dba7-547c-af1c-db9ed52c91d2.ht... (2006)
http://universe.byu.edu/2005/11/30/cia-nope-just-missionaries/
http://universe.byu.edu/2000/03/14/central-intelligence-agency-recruitin...
Indeed, precisely to Cathartes Aura's point above, Mormons and Scientologists are useful tools.
You'll find a lot of the same organizing principles and philosophies used by these "externalized" groups as the masonic orders. Any group that is based on any sort of dogmatic thinking is generally a tool... that includes lower level degrees in any masonic order or the OTO.
If you want to know where the real power is, look for the people who could assasinate a president in broad daylight and get away with it (such as "The Vatican Assassins" aka "The Great Educators"). There aren't many people who wont do just about anything under credible threat of death ... if knowlege is power, it's not that big a leap to understand how the Luceferian Gnostic philosophy rules the world.
ahhh yes, don't get me started on the MoreMan cult.
suffice to say, should anyone do a serious search of their History, and their secret, private Temple worships based on "garments" and Freemason rituals,
then their parallels with USHistory brings more clarity to their wealth & stealth currently. . .
who preaches "genealogy" - immaculate family histories preserved as microfilm, and stored in caves?
and who gets "awarded" the Bluffdale spy gig?
connect the dots. . .
"They" are already doing it here . My work-issued phone came preset to alarm whenever an Amber Alert is issued. Completely separate settings from normal volume/email/text message settings. I have actually yet to figure out how to disable or at least silence that alert. Much like the argument for police drone use, the justification is that it is "for the children". You're not against protecting the children, are you Citizen?
Amber Alert=Political Dissident Alert
You're an optimist to consider that .gov could pull off a stunt like that without hitches. They'd accidentally send ~300 million text messages to Grandma Trudy in Indiana.
You leave my grandma out of this. :)
I do expect hitches. And I also expect 'them' to try everything and anything they can to keep the machine from flying apart at the seams. Just because we feel it would be an exercise in futility doesn't mean 'they' won't try.
Some summer afternoons I lie on my back and watch the clouds. I see faces of presidents and unicorns but there is no order there is no grand design. It is simply the nature of my mind to ascribe patterns where there are none.
Nobody could predict that a tubercular teenager would start WW I.
Are there master schemers? Sure there are. But they like the rest of us make a plan and then God laughs.
Nobody is controlling this crap. Everybody is running his own game. What patterns exist are organic.
You're wrong!
all action begets reaction and then another action in response - the game of Tit for Tat always lusts for more Tits to Tweak
The manic ego of Obama and his surely insipid mouth coupled with the merry band of CIA roaming the world creating problems everywhere with the next hidden NGO - american embassies are dens of vipers that should be closed down by any thinking leader who wants stability domestically
the chinese are showing their teeth - they saw Gaddafi go down by Obama over bullshit, same game different day or Hussien, Kosovo etc etc and now he incites the region with TPP fences and more military bases and red lines
New WORLD order: DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THE USA SAYS - ZERO- especially when they change the team - resets dont exist
its always the same - PAC Man!
I think your wrong--but only if you care--many trees fall in the woods and nobody hears --or cares---there is no plan and it won't work ----
The previous Ukraine government was able to send text messages specifically to cell phones in Kiev Square. If a barely first-world government can do that I'm guessing the US can do it also. The US likely gave them the skills to do that.
Aren't they called Amber Alerts now?
Golden Shower Alerts
Nifty piece of tech they have there.
"Can you imagine the reaction if Obama sent a similar message to every cell phone in America? Well.....don't waste too much energy imagining this because it is coming soon to the USA."
Only to advise the draftees where to report to. And his personal message that they are defending America.
I'd rather hear a message from Nguyen Tan Dung than from Over Tan Dung.
Let the good times roll!
Got to love the Vietnamese. They are a crazy bunch of fuckers, but they sure don't play games.
Suc&y Fuc&y becomes Drilly Killy...
I was always partial to Fookyu and Fookme, of Austin Powers fame. Sorry, Japanese, but you know what I mean.
actually.....
In Vietnam, a thirteen year old boy was arrested after he killed and robbed an 81-year-old woman for $6.20. The boy confessed that he had done it because he needed money to play an online game. He strangled the woman with a piece of rope and took the money from her, before burying her in a pile of sand in front of his house. This ranks at #3 because it involves someone of such a young age committing murder for a video game. [News article]
http://listverse.com/2010/11/07/top-10-cases-of-extreme-game-addiction/
looks like opportunity strikes in the form
of crisis, just the thing for the mic. the
phrase "killing commies for jesus" comes to
mind. became a song written back in or about 1985.
.
" in the garden of eden,
stands a soldier man,
in the garden of eden,
with a gun in his hand.
.
killin' commies for jesus
killin' commies for you and me,
killin' arabs for jesus
killin' commies for the m.i.c.
.
..."
anyway poems ...
apologies all around.
. good day
Singapore - Tom Waits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxB4GqYM0T4
Putting this into perspective, it is also a known fact that the Chinese are typically the first to get hit in South East Asian street riots. This is why some many wealthy ASEAN Chinese have escape flats in Singapore.
Coming soon to the West. Panic rooms to protect against the angry masses. We were different, once.
You need to see a couple more shrinks.
Banzai7, our man in Amsterdam Hong Kong
Pretty sure we have a couple of Zero hedgers in Amsterdam. Myself included. Was an especially big fan of Banzai's "gimp-suit Fan" shoop yesterday.
The 'Amsterdam' was an obscure reference to Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction. I couldn't make Mayonnaise on french fries and The Royale work with Banzai7 so I went with the old standby.
"I couldn't make Mayonnaise on french fries and The Royale work..."
Because of the metric system?
Check out the Big Brain on Ignatius!
Could you imagine the irony and public outcry if the "State Department/DoD" sided with Vietnam?
Here are your statisticsThe source of these data is The Oxford Companion to American Military History. (Oxford University Press, 1999)
US Military Casualties from the Vietnam War 1964-73:
Total Deaths: 58,151
Total Wounded: 153,303
Total Missing: 2,489
The US would probably have to get dragged in to a regional conflict through Japan, or S. Korea.
Now Blackwater Mercs, or other NATO nation special forces on the other hand...
Edit: Too bad many PMCs are privately owned. I'd be legit bullish on them right now.
Hah, IPO for PMC? I'd be all over that.
Or if they sided with al qaeda?
It has been a while since I have been down to Hanoi, but one of the memories I have was the demeaning nature of the National War Museum. There is no hostility to American visitors, but the exhibit is intended to humiliate.
Now as I have said, we deserve to be derided for our involvement in that clusterfuck war and now the crony capitalists running that country deserve to be derided for their ideological hypocrisy and chumming up with China during that period.
So now we tell them we will come to their defense vis a vis China? Who is the neoclown who whispered that notion into their ear?
Economically these countries all live in the shadow of China. That is what has driven their relative prosperity during the financial crisis. Do they really believe they can deny this from a strategic perspective just because some Puttznik does a verbal fly through?
Now Vietnam can wonder why their Chinese driven tourist industry is going to go bust and the Phillipines would be wise to consider the same. You can cut your ASEAN nose to spite your Asian face
Fuck those Reds. Let 'em fight it out w/o g.i. joe.
I agree. But knowing the way DC works, they suck the dicks of the MIC..
Israel no doubt wants the US in another war too...better for their efforts in hitting I-ran.
McCain, Lindsay Graham Cracker-ass, and the rest of the war mongers can pick up a weapon and stand a post.
Yes..McCain...been a while John boy....you want a fight war hero - go get em...YOUR DAMN SELF....WITH A CRUISE MISSILE UP YOUR CRIPPLED ASS
Drone On
You get'em
Some things are more important than money William and Vietnam has a history of making that stand. China is attempting to take regional resources from the barrel of a gun. However, they have also exported millions of their people to every economic outpost they create. None of those people can be protected, because China's ability to project force is restricted to contiguous areas. There can be real consequences to their actions.
You can't deride the excesses of America and jump on the Chinese bandwagon at the same time. Tyrants are tyrants.
Being located in Hong Kong, could you show us a few zingers about the China party leaders or the Li family? Or is your blog simply a tried and true propaganda method of tearing down the "enemy" in poster art? Don't get me wrong, they are all the enemy, but some balance might be refreshing or are your works "controlled".
I have said many times previously, that I am a guest here. And like a well behaved guest, I make no pretense about avoiding involvement in local HK and China politics. At least I have been forthright. If you don't like it tough shit.
Those who are savy enough, have no problem extrapolating what my views are on such matters might be.
And I stand by my point, you can't wave your finger and Uncle Sam and believe his citizens are eager to return to the quagmire in your defense, which they most certainly are not. If that is what they believe, they are sadly misinformed, irrespective of what Puttnik and Scary Kerry tell them.
"Some things are more important than money William and Vietnam has a history of making that stand."
I don't know where you get your information from, Vietnam is just another fine example of party affiliated crony capitalism. Corruption is endemic and anyone doing business down there knows this.
But you are willing to do their dirty work? Guess I'm not saavy enogh to buy your bullshit.
So, it's bad vietnam, good china?
Just glad to see you make your position clear: Chinese propagandist.
Is this what you mean by Chinese propaganda jackass?
There is plenty more where that came from.
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Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and humour me with your exhaustive findings on corruption and cronyism in Vietnam.
Then you can continue by humoring all the American viewers by explaining why they should be so eager to once again put their sons and daughters in harms way in defense of Vietnam.
Propagandist indeed...
Touchy, touchy, touchy. Now, was that so hard? Though those are pretty softball attempts and never parody the living leadership in any way. Whereas, you are quite comfortable attacking other leaders.
I never said the Vietnamese weren't corrupt, just that they have chosen between money (south Vietnam) and Nationalism (north Vietnam) and made a stand. Did they not?
Nor did I intimate or imply America should intervene, so don't try to define my position with a lie. To imply that China should be allowed to do whatever it wants, because of the economic costs should Vietnam not go along is the party line. That is your position here, no?
Like I said, tyrants are tyrants, regardless of where they reside. Chinese are tyrants, just like Americans, Japanese,Russians, Europeans, Africans, South Americans, and most everyone else where a central bank and State government operates. So. perhaps you should get YOUR head out of your ass. If you think your opinions are teflon, then you will be surprised. I appreciate your many humourous presentations, but if you start defending tyrants, prepare to defend your arguments.
It is very simple. I live somewhere where I am a guest and that for obvious reasons puts a crimp in my playing style. You call it propaganda. I call it common sense.
As for Vietnam and China, unlike the elite neoclown cadre running US Foreign Policy, I disagree that it is America's job to police every regional conflict by the projection of force, particularly those exacerbated by its own meddling and involving two sets of corrupt tyrants. You call that defending of tyrants.
I and many others have had enough of that way of thinking. We have a full stable of our own corrupt tyrants to worry about.
Funny, I don't recall the Teflon Scene in Fight Club...
But you do seem to think that Vietnam and the Phillipines should just lay down for their chinese overlords. I haven't supported American involvement and your continued attempt to paint with that brush is just a big, fat, lie. You are defending a tyrant, a chinese tyrant. Just because we have other tyrants , we should excuse China? Nice try, propaganda guy.
Tom Waits - Shore leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh7JZUpaVPg
What will chinas economy look like when they have everyone around them pissed off?
The first question they should consider is what does their economy look like when they have China pissed off.
For China, Vietnam is a pool of cheap offshore labor, a tourist destination and a place to sell cheap air conditioners and scooters.
If China didn't benefit, they wouldn't be there. They have much more to lose, than the Vietnamese. There is a reason the US uses the military to protect foreign corporate resources and markets. The pain it causes when we lose them.
@"..There is a reason the US uses the military to protect foreign corporate resources and markets. The pain it causes when we lose them. "..
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interesting statement. "when we lose them" .... whose pain?
the reason military is used, as is the
name, noun, usa, is used by corporate forces is that the politicians
hired by the controlling fascist owners tell them to use the
forces to kill and destroy and occupy the lands and people unfortunate
enough to been born as humans at the wrong place at the wrong time;
and that we call the misfortune of those trampled under the "progress"
"wisdom" and "justice" of the trillionaire families. either way, east west,
right left, doesn't matter. the conflict creates the debt to the family
bankers system and finance feeds on it. it is the fraud system of death
and destruction for profit, where we live. remember this?
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Bush can't answer an important question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7BDP3XMG0
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could call it the bush doctrine wholeheartedly
embraced and adopted by the o-man resulting in
induction of chaos, the very thing they love to play
because it opens the door to their particular brand of
total exploitation insanity, banksterism banking.
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nidstyles said ..
The issue is this "idea" of law:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lD2Xe0XEZo
What is this? Act 273 of a play that's been going on for a 1000 years or more?
We have no dog in this fight, but I'm sure the morons over in Foggy Bottom and the White House will find a way to stick their nose in it.
And add Congress too. War monger in Chief McCain and his asshole buddy from South Carolina will no doubt be flapping their lips soon enough.
Time for Jen to do another Selfie with a nifty diplomatic message!!!
Are the Chinese in Vietnam illegal aliens ?
China is the source of much aggravation to all its neighbors. It is rattling sabres at Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Myanmar, Mongolia...it even claims a province in northeastern India as its own. China does precisely what will alienate its neighbors quickly and then, when those neighbors respond, claim that the U.S. is responsible for the alienation. There is a deep distrust of the Chinese among all of China's neighbors, a distrust that has been ingrained for many generations and is entirely the fault of the Chinese. The Vietnamese still celebrate their victory over the invading Chinese some six hundred years ago.
The current issue with Vietnam and the Paracels and Spratly Island,which reared its head in 2012, really has to do with some internal Politiburo politics. The Chinese equivalent to the Coast Guard wants more say and more money, and taking military actions in the South China Sea appeases those internal constituents.
In international politics there are no friends, only people you are not actively trying to kill right at this moment.
I don't know why we can't sit back and let China and Japan and Vietnam and the other Asian countries duke it out. We do business with all of them - even one we attacked with nukes. So why do we need to have any military involvement?
Because if one of the Asean countries faces off against China and looses, the Chinese will become emboldened, and Face off against another Asean block country. Then the whole region becomes destabilized and the Chinese will take the region, like a game of dominoes. We must make a stand Against this Threat.
OMG, the "Domino Theory" is realz?
And become an international pariah for its' efforts? So they can destroy their export driven economy? The domino theory? Really? Your going to walk that bastard policy out agains?
Some people never do learn.
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Yes! Absolutely! It's all about Purity of Essence.
At all costs, we must stand up and defend our Precious Bodily Fluids.
sorry , double post
To attempt to actively influence the global game. Why else? In absence of a US presence, countries like Japan would most likely roll over for the Chinese tomorrow and become a de-facto Chinese state. Japan has a long way to go before it is adequately militarized...
(Unless they have a mechanical Godzilla hidden in a Kyoto bunker that I am unaware of.)
The Chinese and Japanese have over two thousand years of history where influence is shared or dominated by one or the other. To think the Japanese haven't properly prepared themselves, in secret, would be a terrible error, especially the possession of nuclear weapons. Their weapon systems are superior to the Chinese and for all their land resources, the Chinese have to get them over a sea.
Global games scare people. I would start there...
"Prime Minister! The Chinese have broken our defensive perimeter!"
"We have no choice then!"
"Kamikaze?"
"No. Order the release of Godzilla from his underwater cave!"
Waiting for Condi Rice to do a tv interview and suggest that the Vietnamese "sever business ties and start a painful land invasion of China for the future of their nation" and build pipelines to the US to exploit "the bounty of energy resources".
Has the wookie started a # yet
Na....she's too busy dildoing and yelling at her fawning asswipe staff...and spending more money....the fucking cunt...
Love the latest internet Michael Vaughn stories of her being a tranny.....has some merit..the bitch looks foul as hell. Chopper filed teeth, ugly douchy hair....racist..big time....just like her hubby, Barry Fuckbama.
Michelle Obama is simply a cunt.
She's the Queen of ur cuntry.
I thought Foggy bottom was obama's code name for reggie?
The money masters will burn the whole fucking world if they have to in order to preserve the status quo. People better wake up to who the real enemy is. They're preparing while the proles argue about whose team is better, the reds or the blues.
Ignorance is Strength