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Ron Paul Explains Why "They" Hate Peace

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ludwig von Mises Institute,

The most succinct statement about how governments get their people to support war came from Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials after World War II:

Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

It is rather frightening that a convicted Nazi war criminal latched onto an eternal truth!

It should be harder to promote war, especially when there are so many regrets in the end. In the last 60 years, the American people have had little say over decisions to wage war. We have allowed a succession of presidents and the United Nations to decide when and if we go to war, without an express congressional declaration as the Constitution mandates.

Since 1945, our country has been involved in over 70 active or covert foreign engagements. On numerous occasions we have provided weapons and funds to both sides in a conflict. It is not unusual for our so-called allies to turn on us and use these weapons against American troops. In recent decades we have been both allies and enemies of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and the Islamists in Iran. And where has it gotten us? The endless costs resulting from our foolish policies, in human lives, injuries, tax dollars, inflation, and deficits, will burden generations to come. For civilization to advance, we must reduce the number of wars fought. Two conditions must be met if we hope to achieve this.

First, all military (and covert paramilitary) personnel worldwide must refuse to initiate offensive wars beyond their borders. This must become a matter of personal honor for every individual. Switzerland is an example of a nation that stands strongly prepared to defend herself, yet refuses to send troops abroad looking for trouble.

Second, the true nature of war must be laid bare, and the glorification must end. Instead of promoting war heroes with parades and medals for wars not fought in the true defense of our country, we should more honestly contemplate the real results of war: death, destruction, horrible wounds, civilian casualties, economic costs, and the loss of liberty at home.

The neoconservative belief that war is inherently patriotic, beneficial, manly, and necessary for human progress must be debunked. These war promoters never send themselves or their own children off to fight.

Some believe economic sanctions and blockades are acceptable alternatives to invasion and occupation. But these too are acts of war, and those on the receiving end rarely capitulate to the pressure. More likely they remain bitter enemies, and resort to terrorism when unable to confront us in a conventional military fashion.

Inflation, sanctions, and military threats all distort international trade and hurt average people in all countries involved, while usually not really hurting the targeted dictators themselves. Our bellicose approach encourages protectionism, authoritarianism, militant nationalism, and go-it-alone isolationism. Our government preaches free trade and commerce, yet condemns those who want any restraints on the use of our military worldwide. We refuse to see how isolated we have become. Our loyal allies are few, and while the UN does our bidding only when we buy the votes we need, our enemies multiply. A billion Muslims around the world now see the US as a pariah.

Our military is more often used to protect private capital overseas, such as oil and natural resources, than it is to protect our own borders. Protecting ourselves from real outside threats is no longer the focus of defense policy, as globalists become more influential inside and outside our government.

The weapons industry never actually advocates killing to enhance its profits, but a policy of endless war and eternal enemies benefits it greatly. Some advocate cold war strategies, like those used against the Soviets, against the unnamed “terrorists.” It’s good for business!

Many neoconservatives are not bashful about this:

Thus, paradoxically, peace increases our peril, by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, and depriving us of some of our best leaders. The great Prussian general Helmuth von Moltke knew whereof he spoke when he wrote a friend, “Everlasting peace is a dream, not even a pleasant one; war is a necessary part of God’s arrangement of the world. ... Without war the world would deteriorate into materialism.” As usual, Machiavelli dots his i’s and crosses the t’s: it’s not just that peace undermines discipline and thereby gives the destructive vices greater sway. If we actually achieved peace, “Indolence would either make (the state) effeminate or shatter her unity; and two things together, or each by itself, would be the cause of her ruin ...” This is Machiavelli’s variation on a theme by Mitterrand: the absence of movement is the beginning of defeat. (Michael Ledeen, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership)

Those like Ledeen who approvingly believe in “perpetual struggle” generally are globalists, uninterested in national sovereignty and borders. True national defense is of little concern to them. That’s why military bases are closed in the United States regardless of their strategic value, while several new bases are built in the Persian Gulf, even though they provoke our enemies to declare jihad against us. The new Cold War justifies everything.

War, and the threat of war, are big government’s best friend. Liberals support big government social programs, and conservatives support big government war policies, thus satisfying two major special interest groups. And when push comes to shove, the two groups cooperate and support big government across the board — always at the expense of personal liberty. Both sides pay lip service to freedom, but neither stands against the welfare/warfare state and its promises of unlimited entitlements and endless war.


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Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:15 | 4772121 km4
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Our military is more often used to protect private capital overseas, such as oil and natural resources, than it is to protect our own borders.

You mean like the US war for oil playbook ( with UK and other Western European lackeys ) in Mideast since 1950's with Iran then Iraq, Libya, etc

In Taking Crimea, Putin Gains a Sea of Fuel Reserves and think Putin said enough of this because Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell and other major oil companies have already explored the Black Sea, and some petroleum analysts say its potential may rival that of the North Sea. That rush, which began in the 1970s, lifted the economies of Britain, Norway and other European countries.

Yes Ron Paul explains why they hate peace ;-)

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4772161 DaveyJones
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yes, like the recent attack..on our own soil...on our own our own people

funny how owned and own sound so much alike  

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:47 | 4772185 TBT or not TBT
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You mean Obamacare of course.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:09 | 4772239 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Are you sure? I thought he meant the TBTF bailouts.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:44 | 4772724 fencejumper
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Methinks he meaneth 9/11.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:45 | 4772791 Lionhearted
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You mean the Mexican invasion and occupation?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4772709 LIBERATUS
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Can you guys help to spread this petition?

Sign Petition Now!!! Designate US as "State sponsor of terrorism"

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:18 | 4772128 Robot Traders Mom
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America never deserved the 'Good Doctor'...We are past the point of no return. We have no reasonable options in 2016, either. Rand is a Zionist and charlatan. Everyone is on the AIPAC payroll...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:05 | 4772228 dark pools of soros
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and Ron Paul ends up just playing said peacemaker who gets denounced time and again

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:30 | 4772308 chemystical
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"Ron Paul ends up just playing said peacemaker"

Bootlicking lackey is more like it:

The endless list of US politicians who don a kippak/yarmulke while visiting ISR in their endless pilgramages to curry favor with 0.18% of the world's population and 1.8% of the US population is flat out disgusting.  How many visit 'Mexico City' to pledge fealty to Hispanics?  Thought so.  Walt and Mearsheimer didn't go far enough.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:37 | 4772612 Dr. Destructo
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Ron Paul took campaign money from oil/natgas companies, and Microsoft during the 2012 presidential "elections". They aren't exactly looking out for our interests, so why would Ron Paul accept donations from them? Though with this critique I will praise him on acquiring the vast majority of his funds from the people; which many politicians cannot claim.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 01:09 | 4772804 strayaway
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Ron Paul's largest contributors in 2012 were military personnel and geeks working at high tech companies. Where are the oil companies you mentioned? (from 

US Army $113,933 US Navy $91,100 US Air Force $88,102 Google Inc $42,478 US Dept of Defense $40,500 Boeing Co $30,724 US Marine Corps $30,708 Microsoft Corp $30,259 IBM Corp $26,547 US Government $25,766 Intel Corp $24,046 Lockheed Martin $23,370 Northrop Grumman $22,635 RagingWire Enterprise Solutions $20,000 Corriente Advisors $20,000 US Dept of Homeland Security $19,984 US Postal Service $19,692 Verizon Communications $17,243 Oracle Corp $17,163 AT&T Inc $17,152
Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:43 | 4772789 NidStyles
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Really? Some Photoshop nonsense is your proof?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 07:57 | 4773016 CH1
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Bootlicking lackey is more like it

So, Ron Paul is joins your list of "not pure enough."

And I see that you're spreading the hate to the Mexicans too now. How horrifying that they should work on your sacred dirt!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:09 | 4773042 Disenchanted
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@ chemystical

That's not Ron in the photo, it's his dipshit son Rand...

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4772258 gatorengineer
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I am really starting to feel Biden.....

Cut to the last seen of Thelma and Louise....  Just Punch it....

We need to get the reset started, anyone named to date would simply prolong the time to the reset, Biden I believe would get us their the quickest, although Elizabeth Warren, or Cuomo also have a shot at getting us their quickly.

Any Rino, e.g. Jeb, Paul Ryan, Crusty, would likely need a major false flag, and a major overseas war........



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:15 | 4772433 fattail
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Stop voting for the lesser of two evils and start voting for the marginally greater of two evils, so we can hasten the collapse and initiate the reset while we are young.

I have no idea whether that be blue or red but their corporate masters will want endless war.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:53 | 4772513 Keyser
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Too bad Hunter S Thompson isn't still with us... Now there is a POTUS I could get behind... 


Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:01 | 4772746 falconflight
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That's where I'm at.  No RINO's, I go straight for the DemPervs, or maybe a libertarian because I just can't pull the D lever.  We'll see.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4772260 gatorengineer
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dup sorry



Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4772136 nmewn
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All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Patriotism, the last refuge of scoundrels.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4772164 DaveyJones
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you terro-communist pig


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:55 | 4772194 Anusocracy
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Patriotism is the last refuge of monkeys:

Humans and monkeys share Machiavellian intelligence

"There is one situation, however, in which all of the well-established social structure evaporates: when a group of rhesus macaques confronts another one and monkey warfare begins. Rhesus macaques dislike strangers and will viciously attack their own image in a mirror, thinking it’s a stranger threatening them. When warfare begins, “Even a low-ranking rhesus loner becomes an instant patriot. Every drop of xenophobia in rhesus blood is transformed into fuel for battle,” Maestripieri wrote."

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:07 | 4772236 TheFourthStooge-ing
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you terro-communist pig

I believe your comment was somehow truncated, as I know you meant to say "you islamo-terro-communo-fascist Stalino-Maoist anarcho-authoritarian pig".

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:36 | 4772716 DaveyJones
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you forgot raw milk

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:03 | 4772223 No Quarter
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Patriotism, in and of iteself, is not necessarily a derogatory term. Really depends on how its intended. Typically it is linked to the state. From the Latin  Patria, the more specifically used term would be "communis patria".. By nature, this idea is geared towards the state as the patriarch.


I prefer "Patria Sua"  Literally Famillial Hearth, but intended as familly or local loyality.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 03:46 | 4772848 Divine
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They prefer: Dolce est pro Patria mori

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 05:57 | 4772926 August
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Et decorum!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:27 | 4772143 Chupacabra-322
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Those banksters led by the Rothschilds and the rest of that infamous cabal who've usurped America since 1913 with their "Federal Reserve" have forced most Americans to suffer immense economic hardships; it both saddens and angers me what those Zionists have done to our America. I may die before I see their complete demise, but I know deep in my heart that they will be utterly exterminated for bringing so much misery to this planet.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4772197 zapdude
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This is why I am so conflicted whenever the national anthem is played:

I rise and place my hand over my heart, and while standing, I am reminded of all the covert and overt atrocities committed by the powers and people behind the flag. JFK, Vietnam, 9/11, the many others.  I think of the words "land of the free", and how hypocritical that phrase is now.  I am nauseated by the patriotic symbols and shameless glorification of war and military dominance.  The song ends, I sit down, and try not to cry or vomit. 

One day I will decide to not stand as a protest to what has been done to my country.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:05 | 4772225 Ignatius
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Try 'la Quenelle' which is currently the controversial jesture of rebellion against the system in France.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:07 | 4773032 CH1
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One day I will decide to not stand as a protest to what has been done to my country.

Please join me in doing so. I remain polite, but I don't partake in the lie that we are free, nor in the worship of war.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:14 | 4772557 Not Too Important
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The Rothschilds are not Zionists. They fought it tooth and nail, and finally had to off Hertzl and take over. They never wanted an 'Israel'. Read 'The Transfer Agreement', by Edwin Black, an author nominated for 10 Pulitzer Prizes. It's all there.

Not that 'real' Zionists don't have an agenda, but they're not willing to die for the NWO. Real Zionists just want to be left alone. Pretty much Jewish Libertarians.

The NWO Jews are completely different, of a completely fake tribe.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:54 | 4772795 NidStyles
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Yeah because murdering and arresting children is a libertarian ideal now... /sarc

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:58 | 4772740 falconflight
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Filthy low caste, no class pigs.  Your mothers were obviously diseased sows, probably related from inbreeding.  Seig Heil!

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:28 | 4772146 Ignatius
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Whether it's the NeoCons or Goering (difference?) the 'problem' they recognize is the problem for those psychopaths who seek to build and maintain an empire.  This is not the problem of the common man unless one goes full retard as Hobbes opines in Leviathan:

"During the time men live without a common power to keep them in awe, they are in the condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man."

I'm ok with this thinking... so long as I'm the one everyone is in awe of.

You see the problem here....

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:09 | 4773043 CH1
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Hobbes was utterly full of shite.

Among the unruled, cooperation is the default, war the exception.

Among states, it is roughly the opposite.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:34 | 4772152 Hongcha
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Wow Hermann, talk about buying yourself a first-class ticket to hell; you won't be alone, however.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:13 | 4772254 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Edward Bernays has reserved each of them a spot in the VIP lounge at the Lake of Fire club.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:54 | 4772736 falconflight
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Breath deeply, the Zyklon B is extra sweet this time of year.  

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:35 | 4772155 falconflight
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One thing that I really wonder, is why Dr. Paul did Not make any efforts (I far as I know) to encourage and support the running of like minded Constitution loving candidates to Congressional seats.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4772192 LocalBoy
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He encouraged plenty - 
Is the question why did Paul not act as king maker and intervene in other congressional districts.......?

The reason the man gets respect is his adherence to principle, not good for votes in a perverse society but garners a ton of respect.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:58 | 4772206 Hang Em High
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Please name any like minded candidates if you can. Even Rand can't  tote the old mans jockey strap.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:10 | 4772242 gatorengineer
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Rand at best has Rino tendencies, and is about as establishment as it gets....

I assume he got muzzled most likely by a honey pot.  kinda like Cruz.

If these guys had any Bonafides at all they would be raising hell right now.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:38 | 4772482 optimator
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If Rand was as honest as his Dad he'd have the same chances Dad had.


Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:56 | 4772796 NidStyles
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That or he found out who he was actually dealing with and figured living a lie is better than dying for the truth when you are that young.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:18 | 4772275 OC Sure
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"...why Dr. Paul did Not make any efforts (I far as I know) to encourage and support the running of like minded Constitution loving candidates to Congressional seats."

He led by example?

His record shouts volumes.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:36 | 4772323 chemystical
Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:43 | 4772492 optimator
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Maybe, just maybe, if Ron Paul made at least one trip to the Wailing Wall he'da have more of a chance.

Of course Huckabee has made 32 trips there and it doesn't seem to be helping him.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:10 | 4772548 Not Too Important
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The Jews that go to the Wailing Wall are not the Jews the NWO wants to survive.

Put them all in one place, fairly small for a country, herd them in thick, then BOOM!

Read 'The Transfer Agreement'. All is made clear.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:02 | 4772537 The Blank Stare
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Why do keep posting pics of Rand, when Ron's the topic. 


Yeah, we get it! Rand's a whore. Move on.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:50 | 4772732 falconflight
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It remains to be seen whether Rand is positioning himself so Not to incur the wrath of the Loyalist GOP before he even gets into a primary.  I don't like some things that he has lately said, but I have to consider tactics are playing a part.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:47 | 4772729 falconflight
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Well maybe, however, people like Cruz and Rand Paul, Mike Lee and others are actually working organizationally toward removing GOP'ers in socialist drag.  Being Dr. No was not all that great an example considering he too brought home the  bacon.  Just sayin

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 19:45 | 4772179 Reaper
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The problem is the sheeple crave trusting their king, their dictator, their President or their government. Thinking is painful or difficult or confusing, while trusting satisfies and calms.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:06 | 4772757 kurt
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That would be OK if you had a good government. Thinking is over rated when you look at the state we're in. Great comfort is given a child by trusting his parents. Should it be different between citizens and their representatives. We all have our own pursuits. Would that we could follow our path without being taxed to death, killed in wars, covertly spied on, regulated to paralysis, unprotected from rapine corporations and the greedy. Yes, give me a government I can trust in a child-like way. Ruthlessness is not a virtue nor is hard ugliness.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:05 | 4772232 navy62802
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"Our military is more often used to protect private capital overseas, such as oil and natural resources, than it is to protect our own borders."

This is a truth that was conveyed in General Smedley Butler's work "War is a Racket."

Let's not pretend that such a thing is a new concept. It has been around for many decades ... almost a century, in fact.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:07 | 4772544 Not Too Important
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Smedley Butler blew the whistle on the coup, known as the 'Business Plot', to take over the United States by traitors:

"A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler."

"In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt."

"The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors."

Notice the Heinz connection. Kerry is simply continuing the 'family tradition'. And the next 'election' will most likely be Clinton/Bush.




Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:09 | 4772547 power_shift
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War is a racket. War is designed to enrich the "few" while ruining the lives of the "many." I seriously do not know how these war mongers that support this shit can look at themselves in the mirror. I mean how the fuck can these people look at their children / grandchildren in the eyes and think to themselves that they are making the right decision. 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:20 | 4772565 Not Too Important
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Psychopathology. We simply don't understand what they take as normal. They breed it into their children. Genetic or otherwise, their children tend to manifest the same traits through life.

This is why certain 'families' control the world. Decades, even centuries, of psychopathological descendants. Many some of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Who have sent millions of innocent people they've never met, to horrific deaths, just as easily as having a muffin for breakfast.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:29 | 4772704 kchrisc
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See, the guillotine is a multi-genrational tool of justice.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 06:14 | 4772936 August
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Their grandchildren will be doing just fine.

Your grandchildren, not so much.

Same as it ever was.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:08 | 4772237 gatorengineer
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damn shame you cant say like father like son....

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4772256 OC Sure
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"when push comes to shove, the two groups cooperate and support big government across the board — always at the expense of personal liberty."

What tyranny wants tyranny takes.

The method of operation for both groups is to "busy giddy minds."

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:16 | 4772265 ATG
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Speaking of War and Peace ~

Is Peace Breaking Out?

This could be worth 1000+ market points this week:

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:26 | 4772291 holdbuysell
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"A billion Muslims around the world now see the US as a pariah."

I doubt it's only Muslims that see the US that way.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 01:29 | 4772812 joego1
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I see it the other way around.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:26 | 4772293 Duc888
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Everyone who "wants war" should have themselves and their extended families shipped off to "the front lines".


The rest of us will watch it on the nooz.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:33 | 4772316 Billy Shears
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Speaking of Nazis, here is a wonderful read:

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:40 | 4772335 Postal
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It is rather frightening that a convicted Nazi war criminal latched onto an eternal truth!

He's only a "convicted Nazi war criminal" because his side lost. Truth is truth, regardless of victor or vanquished.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 20:49 | 4772358 lotsoffun
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bernake and greenspan are still on the loose, and working their mojo.  obama and yellen not far behind.  clintons - well, they got tossed a monkey wrench, but that's no worry.  won't these people ever stop?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:26 | 4772455 nah
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I thought he would make a good President, certainly change the world and enlighten his vision to millions if nothing else.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:40 | 4772486 intric8
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"Thus, paradoxically, peace increases our peril, by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, and depriving us of some of our best leaders." - is utter garbage, i'd like to see anybody substantiate that.

If all countries in the world channel their money, resources and effort into scientific research or plain hard work instead of war, we may have solved the energy crisis by now. New industries would have been spawned.

We are supposedly too evolutionarily advanced for this war shit already.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:47 | 4772494 power_shift
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War sucks. Try coming home with a missing limb after an overseas "adventure." 51977 wounded as of May 1 2014.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:52 | 4772508 Not Too Important
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And 22 veteran suicides a day:

'22 Veteran Suicides a Day: How We Got Here'

Disgusting. And don't get me started on those fuckers at the VA in Phoenix. What doctors got bonuses to not schedule vets for specialist appointments? Those are the first ones to find.

Oh, wait, Holder said no investigation:

'Eric Holder: No Plans at DOJ to Investigate Secret Waiting Lists and Veteran Deaths at VA Hospitals'


Pure scum, all of 'they'.


Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:45 | 4772725 TheMeatTrapper
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War sucks. Try coming home with a missing limb after an overseas "adventure."


I have a young cousin named Ben. Ben came from a less than desireable home situation. He refused to go the drugs/scumbag/loserville route. He joined the United States Marine Corp. 

He deployed to Afghanistan as a PFC. He was ordered to drive into an IED ambush. 

Most of his lower body was shredded. 

He will never live without assistance. He was in country less than three months. 

His life was ruined for nothing. Absolutely nothing. A young, strong, patriotic 18 year old man turned into a near vegetable for nothing. 

There are no do overs. Perhaps one day I will get the chance to payback those responsible - and I don't mean the Taliban. 

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 21:58 | 4772526 Not Too Important
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I can't believe this hasn't been brought up - the real reason 'they' hate peace. According to 'The Report From Iron Mountain', 1967, there is no profit in peace:

"The Report from Iron Mountain is a book published in 1967 (during the Johnson Administration) by Dial Press which puts itself forth as the report of a government panel. The book includes the claim it was authored by a Special Study Group of fifteen men whose identities were to remain secret and that it was not intended to be made public. It details the analyses of a government panel which concludes that war, or a credible substitute for war, is necessary if governments are to maintain power. The book was a New York Times bestseller and has been translated into fifteen languages."

The book itself:

The big money is in war - perpetual war.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:40 | 4772617 franciscopendergrass
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We have a war on poverty.  A war on terror.  A war on drugs.

I'm waiting for the war on war.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:23 | 4772698 kchrisc
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It's all a war on us.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:44 | 4772621 Davalicious
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Neocons = Jews

Let us be clear about who is the enemy. These are parasites. Every nation would be better off without them. They must be disarmed and kept permanently under lock and key.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 22:47 | 4772631 bunnyswanson
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Morris agrees

Philosophical observations made by a man raised in a Jewish home saying the obvious that cannot be said without a finger wagging and accusation of racism.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:22 | 4772696 kchrisc
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I agree and disagree, but the answer is to take their instrument of dominance, big government and fraudulent reserve banking, away.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:42 | 4772722 falconflight
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Seig Heil! Bro

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:19 | 4772670 kchrisc
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They don't hate peace. They need war profits. They need war debt. They NEED war.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:05 | 4772752 Savyindallas
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They don't "need" war profits, war debt or war -They crave and choose it because they are evil and lust for power and wealth they do not need. These people are truly evil. In a nuclear age where people and our leaders get more corrupted, dumber and dumber by the day - our destruction is assured  -it's just a matter of time.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:17 | 4772684 kchrisc
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"Second, the true nature of war must be laid bare, and the glorification must end. Instead of promoting war heroes with parades and medals for wars not fought in the true defense of our country, we should more honestly contemplate the real results of war: death, destruction, horrible wounds, civilian casualties, economic costs, and the loss of liberty at home."

During a conversation with a pastor a few ears ago, he mentioned vice and pornography. After he made his case about that "disgusting filth," I asked him what he thought of the howitzer on display in front of the VFW. He replied that he didn't think nothing of it. To which I asked if he wondered how many people that that weapon, or similar, have killed? To his puzzled face I further stated that wouldn't the howitzer, a machine of killing and death be more "pornographic" than sexual pictures.

The conversion ended soon after.

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:33 | 4772713 LIBERATUS
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Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:58 | 4772715 Radical Marijuana
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It is sad that Ron Paul was the best there was, while I do not think his son is as principled, but rather, more willing to make "practical" compromises for power. That practical compromising for the sake of power is such a terrible thing, which presents endless moral dilemmas. Ron Paul appears to have never made an evil deal. But then, the result was that he never had any significant effects other than to provide a moral example, and to educate millions of people. On the other hand, it seems to me that the people who ended up with the most political power were those who were willing to compromise the most, and therefore, made many evil deals.

All together, I do not see any practical ways to stop civilization from continuing to be controlled in the foreseeable future by the people who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. Therefore, I expect civilization to travel down the path of least morality, which will have terrible longer term consequences. Those consequences have NO influence, except marginally upon people who have enough information, intelligence and imagination to be able to worry about those longer term consequences, which people appear to be far too few to be able to make a difference.  It seems that the only corrections to those trends are when factors beyond that civilization's ability to control cause consequences which force people to change.

Over a very long time, human beings appear to learn to become wiser. However, they nevertheless appear to do every evil and stupid thing possible, over and over, before the longer term consequences have enough influence to change the frequencies of those kind of behaviors. In the short-term, there is no doubt that the people who are dishonest and violent ARE able to start wars based on deceits, to back up their debt slavery systems, while the majority of other people end up going along to get along ...

Meanwhile, I think that there are deeper reasons for how and why warfare was driven by chronic political problems to be developed, as a paradoxical problem, that after it developed due to natural causes, it then morphed into generating artificial reasons to continue to maximize itself. In my opinion, warfare was due to human beings internalizing natural selection as intelligence, which then engendered runaway systems of artificial selection. Since success in warfare was based on backing up deceits with destruction, the people who did that most then had social habits to deliberately start more wars based on deceits.

Still buried, very deep, under the history of warfare and deceit, are chronic political problems which are inherent in the nature of life, which must be perpetually resolved, and actually were resolved by the history of civilization being controlled by warfare, until it became an insane vicious spiral of artificial wars based on deceits. Success in war based on deceits transformed to starting more wars with deceits. Since almost all the wars now are wars based on deceits, it is practically impossible to look at the deeper reasons why natural selection developed warfare, as a form of artificial selection, in the first place.

In my opinion, someone like Ron Paul, and similar Libertarians, do not come with light years of more thoroughly scientific understanding of artificial selection. Their over-simplistic principles will not allow them to think through the paradoxical problems of how to operate death controls, or murder systems, after technologies makes weapons that are trillions of times more powerful. Of course, I think that the same criticism applies just as much, and indeed, more so, to those people who deliberately start more wars based on deceits, while they thereby risk the use of weapons of mass destruction going out of control.

Human civilization has had it murder systems operate through the maximum possible deceits for so many thousands of years that is practically impossible to imagine how enough people could understand that enough to change it. My point is that we need new death control systems, as components of systems of artificial selection. I do not think that anything less can cope with both the current systems of insane artificial selection, as well as the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, which was why there was always natural selection.

The essence of the human experiment was about building brains that could build models of their world, including models of themselves within their models of their world, which models where partially conscious stories, that could organized their behavior in their world. Obviously, militarism was the supreme ideology, because it was that aspect of those models within models that dealt with murdering and/or being murdered. Scientific and technological progress with respect to building better models of our world, and ourselves, have run into extreme paradoxes with respect to murder systems based on deceits, and monetary systems based on frauds. At the present time, for civilization to collectively work through those paradoxes any better seems to be practically impossible. That is especially the case because the principles of a man like Ron Paul are grossly inadequate to deal with the dilemmas of weapons becoming trillions of times more powerful, which theoretically means that we should go through radical paradigm shifts in our militarism, as the most important of the mental models with which we direct our behaviors. Warfare was always a form of artificial selection, which was based on the deeper realities of natural selection. However, those developments have run away with themselves, to create artificial wars based on deceits, as vicious feedback spirals of madness, because, for human beings, understanding the murder system death controls is the most difficult thing that they have to do, and which they mostly have miserably failed to do.

In the end, I regard Ron Paul as another superlative reactionary revolutionary, who illustrates their patterns of providing good analysis, but then collapsing back to the same old-fashioned bullshit "solutions" based on impossible ideals. He has educated millions more people to begin to think critically about SOME of the deeper realities of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits. However, I do not regard him as going still DEEPER than that, because his beliefs to not appear to me to be axiomatically scientific. Rather those beliefs are more like old-fashioned religions, which is the way that all old-fashioned ideologies appear to me to be.

I propose systems of better death controls, as kinds of "new age warfare," in which our artificial selection systems make a greater use of information, which enables a higher consciousness, regarding how we operate our death controls, and especially the murder systems that back up the monetary systems. However, it is obvious that, at the present time, almost nobody understands that, nor wants to understand that. After all, what understanding that better would mean is that we would not reveal how bad the wars based on deceits actually were, BUT, instead, we propose that there should be better wars, in the sense of better artificial selection death controls.

In my view, natural selection pressures are facts of life, as natural forces which exist. Therefore, human beings, within the context of the human experiment being building brains that can model the world, including models of themselves and others within their model of the world, necessarily end up modelling natural selection, which then necessarily means that they end up modelling artificial selection. The primary manifestation of artificial selection was the history of warfare, whose conceptualization was militarism. That way of thinking about how one could murder other people before they murdered one was the most crucial thing that human beings have done for thousands of years.

The paradoxes that success in warfare was based on deceit, and that spies were the most important soldiers, were developed for thousands of years, to end up with the current social pyramid systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which are headed towards unprecedented debt insanities, and matching death insanities. Meanwhile, guys like Ron Paul somewhat understand what is wrong with the runaway debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, HOWEVER, they do not understand that more thoroughly, in still deeper ways, and therefore, the "solutions" they propose are bogus, because those "solutions" are still based on impossible ideals that would surely backfire badly in the real world. They use a relatively magical language, a sort of transcendental poetry about "liberty," that proposes "solutions" without actually addressing the social facts that they are proposing different death control systems.

In general, the task facing human beings is to see IF they can survive through the paradoxes of progress in science and technology enabling the established debt/death controls, operating money/murder systems, to be amplified to astronomical sizes, taking the form of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs. What we theoretically should be doing is continuing to advance our scientific understanding of society, in ways which apply to real politics, since, ideally, politics should be applied human ecology. However, the real history of human ecology has primarily been directed through the murder systems and militarism, whose successes were based on deceits. Therefore, politics WAS actually applied human ecology, but as applied through deceits about itself, (which deceits included the groups that were the controlled opposition, agreeing to promote the same basic deceitful frame of reference.) That is how warfare developed, while those doing that were surrounded by controlled opposition groups, who enabled that, by being the flip sides of the same sorts of glib professional lying and immaculate hypocrisies, that those actually operating the money/murder systems specialized in doing.

Theoretically, we should develop a more scientific understanding of natural selection, which then can be applied as a more scientific understanding of artificial selection. However, no other sciences are more totally tangled up in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories than the monetary and military systems. Furthermore, those entanglements also have wrapped around and around the controlled opposition groups, who say that they are against the currently established debt/death control systems, but almost never provide recommendations for how to operate better debt/death control systems, at least not in ways which scientifically focus on the social facts, that any alternative systems whatsoever must necessarily be alternative debt/death control systems.

In my opinion, Ron Paul was a sterling example of that kind of controlled opposition, which provides some useful analysis of the real problems, but then provides no genuine solutions which have thorough scientific merit, because they prefer promoting magical words, rather than addressing the scientific facts. Of course, that is a popular presentation, for those who share in believing in those magical words. However, Ron Paul's ways of understanding the world can neither in the short-term, nor in the longer term, actually provide realistic resolutions of the acute and chronic political problems we are facing. Of course, to be fair, I am not aware of anyone whatsoever that does provide better realistic resolutions, since the world is already almost totally dominated by rank, ridiculous bullshit, in the form of deceitful murder systems and fraudulent monetary systems, wherein those who are the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence are continuing to still be the most successful in the short-term, and therefore still able to disregard the longer term consequences of what they are actually doing.

At present, we live in a Bizarro Mirror World, where just about everything is a backwards as possible to the ways things are explained in the schools, or presented by the mass media, because almost everything we do is already almost totally dominated by deceitful murder systems and fraudulent monetary systems. In that context, of course, it is typical for the controlled opposition groups to be just as much, or even more unscientific, by advocating that no conscious death controls should exist, which actually requires the same basic deliberate ignorance towards the real social facts.

Furthermore, the Grand Canyon Paradoxes of progress in basic sciences and technology, BUT NOT in human sciences, keep GROWING BIGGER, because not doing that would require understanding how natural selection blends into artificial selection, in ways which the vast majority of people do not understand, because they have been conditioned to not want to understand, because IF they did begin to understand, then they would perceive the realities of the debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which surround them.

Both of those systems are MAD. (Money As Debt & Mutual Assured Destruction). Most people do not like beginning to understand those, and they tend to cling to impossible ideals to provide their "solutions" when they begin to understand the degree to which human artificial selection was paradoxically selected to become based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds about itself. However, I would still insist upon the assertions that better artificial selection, based on better scientific understanding of natural selections, ought to be the theoretical basis of more realistic resolutions of the problems, that we DO have runaway systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, controlling our civilization at the present time, which have operated in the ways that Paul has described in his article above.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:00 | 4772742 Savyindallas
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Ron paul has compromised many times. You have to. For example ,he agreed to support all incumbent Texas republican House members in 2012 and made other deals too. You have to . rand paul will compromise more, because he realizes that his dad was never able to get over the 10% support mark. better to compromise on some issues and be in power than to be on the outside in the 10% self righteous minority. I think all good and honest men should lie and play the game  -like all the scoundrels who hold office and power. being completely honest will never get you elected.I support the man who I believe his heart is right.  I will take my chances that my choice is not just a politician. We have no choice. A man whose is honest in all public discourses will never get elected. We're running out of time. We can't wait for the American sheeple to wake up from their slumber  -they are probably already brain dead and incapable of discerning the truth and relality, even if they wake up.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:05 | 4772754 falconflight
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I'd love to see Rand lie his ass off spouting Loyalist GOP'er drivel and after saying the oath, commence to sending hundreds of thousands of federal employees to the soup lines.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:29 | 4772765 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, Savyindallas, I would metaphorically describe what you propose as trying to tack as close the wind as possible, during the rising winds of social storms.

I basically agreed with what you wrote above, in the sense that it appears impossible to sail directly into the wind, but it is possible to tack sideways, back and forth. To go against the lies, in practice, takes tacking back and forth, sideways, as much against the flow of lies as possible, by tacking tight against that wind. However, if one tries to go too much against the wind, then the political sails of power just start luffing, and one ends up being blown backwards anyway. (The people I do not like are those who run with the prevailing winds of howling lies. Although that seems to be the easiest in the short-term, the longer term consequences takes us all further and further away form any good goals, or safer harbours.)

Tragically, the thing I agreed with most was when you wrote: "We're running out of time." To be frank, I have already reached the point were I personally expect to flounder in the on-coming social storms. I actually have no practical political solutions, only theories, because I agree with you that, as an objective social fact, it certainly appears that the North Americans "are probably already brain dead and incapable of discerning the truth and reality."

Given that that is already the way things ARE, apart from promoting more radical truths for their own sake, like a performance art, there do not seem to be any practical political solutions, other than PERHAPS being able to compromise the minimum possible, to still MAYBE get a little ahead?

Sun, 05/18/2014 - 23:50 | 4772730 JailBanksters
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I think the Megalomaniacs that run the US have realized since pearl harbour, to achive prosperity you have to kill people. Keeping that in mind, how can you achive even more prosperity? If you said by killing less people, you have chosen poorly. The Bushs, Obama and Hillary only want one thing, Big Boom !

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:29 | 4772780 Chuck Walla
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"The neoconservative belief that war is inherently patriotic, beneficial, manly, and necessary for human progress must be debunked. These war promoters never send themselves or their own children off to fight."

What, like the Roosevelt's did? The Wilson's? LBJ?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 00:48 | 4772793 pcrs
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Break young boy's self esteem and they will see themselves as nothing but cannon fodder.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 01:03 | 4772799 Lionhearted
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The DEFINITION of INSANITY is doing the same thing, over and over and expecting a different result. If we keep going down the same road the destination will continue to be the same. You don't have to pray for the reset, we are already in the reset. The 2008 "financial crisis" just a little glimmer of what is comming. All it did was light the fuse. Bush bumped the printing press up to $10 Trillion. 6 years later we are $17+ TRILLION where are we going to be when Obama is done? Dem, Republican what's the difference? Both of them want a bigger more oppressive government MONOPOLY. Now they are cooking every stat available to keep the facade from falling.

BELGIUM is the third largest owner of US treasuries? Right. There is something rotten in Denmark.

Anyone else notice the inflation in the gasoline, energy, food and of course the LEADING indicator of INFLATION the stock market? The stock market is not going up it's INFLATING. One day it will POP!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 03:15 | 4772843 young turk
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they are not all sheep(American working class that is) had occasion to ride the bus and even the driver was awake and aware. Most are in denial but when you dig alittle you find a glimmer of hope

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 04:45 | 4772872 22winmag
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The Tea Party [bowel] movement is not riding to the rescue.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4773074 Beau Tox
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Dr. Paul's most telling reference is that the political elite of recent times never draft their own children and participate themselves in battle.  They are no Henry V, Charles XII (Sweden), Stonewall Jackson or even Teddy Roosevelt.  They have become predator drone operators, that are heavily invested in Hellfire missile manufacturing.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:43 | 4773583 Lookout Mountain
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"First, all military (and covert paramilitary) personnel worldwide must refuse to initiate offensive wars beyond their borders. This must become a matter of personal honor for every individual. "

"Second, the true nature of war must be laid bare, and the glorification must end."

I agree but cannot imagine how either of these two prelinaries to ending war can be achieved in the US without a massive change in society and its values.

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