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"Conflict Between China And Vietnam Is Imminent" - China Piles Troops, Tanks, Artillery And APCs Near Vietnam Border

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Earlier today, Putin did his usual "we are pulling our forces away from the Ukraine border" gambit (sure he is... and is replacing them with a massive airforce drill), and as usual the algos fell for it, after European stocks suddenly surged out of nowhere on the now quite generic bounce catalyst (Update: RASMUSSEN: NO SIGN OF RUSSIAN TROOP PULLBACK FROM NEAR UKRAINE - what a surprise), but what is shaping up as a far more dangerous escalation is what China is doing next to its border with Vietnam, where as reported previously protesters destroyed Chinese factories and killed Chinese civilians in retaliation over yet another maritime territorial spat. According to the Epoch Times, "troops, tanks, trucks, artillery, and armored personnel carriers of China’s military were seen heading to the Vietnamese border on May 16 and 17, according to photographs taken by by residents near the border."

Chinese netizens have been posting photographs of the large movement of the People’s Liberation Army, many of them showing Chinese troops in full combat gear heading to the local train station in Chongzuo, along with military vehicles.

 

One netizen said the Chinese military was taking the train from the Chongzuo station to Pingxiang City, which shares a 60-mile border with Vietnam. The netizen said that the Huu Nghi Border Gate to Vietnam is also now closed.

 

One of the photos, taken from inside a passenger train, shows the Chinese military preparing artillery for transport on a train track. Others show Chinese troops and military vehicles traveling along dirt roads.

 

Another photograph shows troops walking under the red-colored entrance to the Longzhou International Building Materials Market, on Provincial Road in the city of Chongzuo.

 

A reverse image search of each of the photographs using Google indicated that the photographs had appeared on the Internet only recently. Most were indexed by Google on Saturday.

 

Collectively, the images and eyewitness reports from the ground show what Taiwanese media are calling an “endless stream” of Chinese troops.

Why is China doing this? Simple: "One netizen, with the username Zhiyuan0703, echoed a common sentiment on the Chinese social media site, “Conflict between China and Vietnam is imminent.

And just in case the US gets any ideas to support its one time foe, China has already taken measures:

Fang Fenghui, the Chinese military’s chief of the general staff, spoke with reporters at the Pentagon on May 15, alongside U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey.

 

Fang defended China’s oil drilling in disputed waters with Vietnam. He also warned the United States on taking sides, saying through a Chinese translator “there is possibility that these issues could affect or disturb the relationship between the two countries and two militaries.”

 

White House press secretary Jay Carney reiterated the U.S. stance on China’s oil rig, however, during a May 15 press briefing.

 

He said China’s oil rig, which the Chinese regime has accompanied with “numerous government vessels” is a “provocative act and it raises tensions in the region, and by raising tensions makes it more difficult to resolve claims over disputed territory in a manner that supports peace and stability in the region.”

 

Carney said the United States takes no position on the territorial claims, but, “We do take a position on the conduct of the claimants who must resolve their disputes peacefully, without intimidation, without coercion, and in accordance with international law.”

 

Regarding China’s oil rig and the tensions that have formed around it, Carney said, “We consider that act provocative and we consider it one that undermines the goal that we share, which is a peaceful resolution of these disputes and general stability in the region.”

But fear not: the futures are actively monitoring this, and all other global geopolitical conflicts, and are absolutely confident the Fed will fix it should war break out. As usual, we wish algos the best of luck, because as ET summarizes, "China is currently involved in territorial conflicts with nearly all its neighbors." Once again - what can possibly go wrong? Judging by the photos below, nothing at all.

A Bradley Attack Vehicle troop transport of the Chinese military, is seen in Kunming, Yunnan, in Southwest China. Chinese netizens have posted several photos showing the Chinese military moving toward the Vietnamese border. (Weibo.com)

A Chinese tank is seen near the border with Vietnam, as tensions grow more tense between the two countries. (Weibo.com)

Chinese troops carrying anti-tank weapons are seen marching in Guangxi Province, near the border with Vietnam. Local netizens report a strong smell of gunpowder. (Weibo.com)

A convoy of Chinese military vehicles are seen in Fangchenggang City in Guangxi, near the Vietnam border. (Weibo.com)

Chinese troops march in Chongzuo City in Guangxi Province near the Vietnam border. Chinese netizens say the troops are moving along the border. (Weibo.com)

Chinese troops are seen marching in a city street in Chongzuo in China’s Guangxi Province near the Vietnam border. (Weibo.com)

Chinese artillery is being transported in Chongzuo City, Guangxi Province. (Weibo.com)

 

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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:03 | 4773024 negative rates
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And they're off.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:05 | 4773026 Haus-Targaryen
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and Washington will start sanctioning China in 3 .... 2.... oh wait.

How many TBills do the own again? 

nevermind

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:08 | 4773034 Latina Lover
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Message to Obama from China re Asian Pivot:

Fuck you!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:12 | 4773051 TeamDepends
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What are we fighting for?

Don't know and I don't give a damn

Next stop is Vietnam!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:14 | 4773054 Latina Lover
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. Do you think this time around, we could send the kids of the congress critters in our place?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:17 | 4773057 Latina Lover
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Notice how Putin is supposedly pulling his troops from the border with Ukraine? European union elections next May 25th, and it is expected that the anti EU parties will make major breakthroughs, after years of austerity and no growth.  Russia would benefit from a change in parliament, even through the leadership of the EU is appointed in secret by bureaucrats.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:17 | 4773065 GetZeeGold
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That's the latest scuttlebutt......tune in tomorrow.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:25 | 4773075 Arius
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It is 1.5 BILLION people in the country .... there will be by definition, at any given time, anywhere in the country few tanks and thousands of military ... dahhh

 

In response to citizen, with the username Zhiyuan0703.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:28 | 4773085 economics9698
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Fucking tribe needs a war, the tribe gets a war. 

Hopefully in 20 years there will be international warrants and wanted dead or alive posters out on the banker scum parasites that have infested Europe for over 400 years now. 

Hang every last one of the mother fuckers.

FYI the last Vietnam War was fought not to win, the tribe could care less about wining wars, it was to run up debt and get off the gold standard.  That was it.  A few million dead so our tribe can afford to fuck the finest whores and live like kings in America.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:35 | 4773108 Headbanger
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It's the fucking liar shit balls we elected who need the war to help keep their stupid asses in office.

And the banksters want to cash in on all the death and destruction again.

They just might get what they want big time soon.. Only they won't survive this one to see it pay off for them.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:43 | 4773125 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Vietnam is a no-brainer for Chinese annexation. What the hell is the USSA going to do about it? Support the same people that kicked its ass in the 60s and 70s?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:48 | 4773140 MillionDollarBonus_
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All this global conflict is like economic shock therapy. It may be painful in the short run, but in the medium to long term this should have a very positive effect on global GDP.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:51 | 4773148 SamAdams
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Currency War - Reducing the world's faith in your rival's fiat currency.

Step 1: encourage your rival to print excessively while manipulating your own currency.

Step 2: encourage and support threats internal to your rival's country, thereby forcing your rival to expand government requiring additional printing.

Step 3: use aggressive miltary displays against your rival's "allies", causing money printing to fund its overextended military

Step 4: offer a non-fiat currency as a safe alternative to the rampantly devalued currency of your rival.

The war is being won, but not by the USSA....

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:05 | 4773205 ilion
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I think this all should be really bullish, especially for Vietnamese stock market.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:32 | 4773539 Oh regional Indian
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Most ironic statement: locals report a strong smell of gunpoweder!!! Looks like the Goliath's of the world are all ready to crack down on them dis-obedient Davids.

Which is the feint and which is the real thing?

How does all this interesting troop and ship movement not end in conflict?

Time for a global heat map Tylers...

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:42 | 4773579 rubiconsolutions
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Where's Jane Fonda in this whole kerfuffle?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:06 | 4773672 dogbreath
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Now come on all ya big strong men

Uncle XIAM needs your help again

got himself in a terrible jam

way down yonder in Vietnam......................................

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:51 | 4773853 Flux
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Well if Zhiyuan0703 says war is imminent, we better button down the hatches.

 

 

 

Question:

Who the fuck is Zhiyuan0703? Because I heard from netizen Zhiyuan0704 that 703 is a bastard child who smells of elderberries.

705 confirms, but 706 disputes the elderberry part.

More tangerine, apparently.

 

 

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:59 | 4773938 Terminus C
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We take the posts of "some random netizen" Tyler Durden as fact all the time...

You are right to question and seek multiple sources, but you are not right to dismiss out of hand and mock the source.  If and when the source proves faulty... mock away.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:07 | 4773988 Flux
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Fair enough.

 

The tangerine thing was suspect.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:10 | 4774535 CheapBastard
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The China of 2014 is not the China of 1979. Same with Vietnam for that matter.

 

I hope they solve it thru negotiation instead of boxing it out.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:39 | 4775650 Four chan
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certain things make me wonder if we deserve to survive long term as a species.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:15 | 4776520 edotabin
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We probably will but wind up like Idiocracy. Just look at the spelling in the Youtube comments and you know we are halfway there already.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 18:11 | 4775181 TheSecondLaw
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LOL

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:54 | 4773162 g'kar
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True. Fewer people on the planet will reduce the strain on resources.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:07 | 4773209 MillionDollarBonus_
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That's a gross misrepresentation of my view. What I mean is that the spending associated with global conflict will increase aggregate demand which will reflect positively in global GDP. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:13 | 4773231 Bioscale
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Sure, the more deaths, the more fired bullets and grenaeds, the bigger the GDP. GDP FTW

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:33 | 4773301 Headbanger
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Oh let's jump for joy joy that there will be hundreds of millions killed in boosting global fucking GDP!

MDB, I seriously hope you're one of the first cannon fodder

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:18 | 4773466 El Vaquero
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I don't believe MDB is real.  I think that MDB is an epic troll who is so in character that it is difficult to believe that somebody could stick to it so well for so long.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:24 | 4773486 Arius
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you got to be a moron to believe the guy is for real ... for one thing why would he come over and repeatidly repeat the same game.

 

difficult? not really ... it is probably his hour to have some fun ...i think he gets a thrill from the attention and reaction of people ... especially newbies, who dont know any better and he can knock them out quite easily and have fun ...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:15 | 4773715 RafterManFMJ
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Got to admit I'm starting to like the douchebag. I even green him now just for the laughs he generates and how the noobs go off on him.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:51 | 4773877 SumTing Wong
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And I think MDB is the troll on our side. He point sout the stupidity of the argument the Keynesians have, so that we have to think "broken window fallacy" and stuff like that. 

I like MDB. He's below Boris on my list, but I like him or her.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:07 | 4775343 moonshadow
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I think he's a New MDB. The Old MDB from a couple of years back was a bit more clever in concealing his trollishness

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:33 | 4775356 g'kar
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Come on people, MDB's the most sarcastic person I ever met next to me.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:09 | 4773690 Overfed
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Everybody that's been here for more than a month knows that everything MDB says is meant to be taken as if it were straight from the noise hole of Paul Krugman.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:17 | 4773719 detached.amusement
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anyone that thinks mdb's ass backward statements arent humor is either on zh for the first time, or asks if they want fries with that for work

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:14 | 4773236 g'kar
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Sorry...I was looking at it as supply and demand, less demand due to fewer people on the same supply of resources. My apologies for the misrepresentation.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:41 | 4773558 BrosephStiglitz
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Okay.  You lost me now.  You're a fucking idiot who is either a troll, or happens to be the son of the Chairman of a major PMC.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:48 | 4773598 BlindMonkey
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Long caskets!!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:13 | 4773712 g speed
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MDB  you can't have war without casualties---if its not in your equation your model is flawed---I suggest you rethink your "view" to reflect reality.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:28 | 4773753 BrosephStiglitz
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His reasoning isn't flawed because of the casualties (though it will impact consumption marginally), his reasoning is flawed because war spending is channeled into glorified fireworks and non-productive assets such as tanks, whilst capital is literally razed to the ground or hijacked to support the war effort.  Furthermore uncertainty and mistrust increases as do barriers and tarriffs, sanctions etc.

The one silver lining in a war (particularly amongst developed nations) is that it often creates a technological golden age through the massive investment in R&D, because y'know if it is uncertain whether you will be alive in a year as a nation, you had damn sure better try to outcompete the enemy in tech.  When order is finally restored these new technologies will eventually will have positive network externalities.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:39 | 4773549 BrosephStiglitz
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Actually agree with this.  If only because the necessity for R&D will increase in the event of a major war.

Edit: not to mention the positive network externalities associated with information sharing and cooperation amongst allies. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:15 | 4774558 Anusocracy
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That R&D increase is just a variant of the Broken Window Fallacy.

Government directing use of resources is government wasting resources.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:31 | 4775798 BrosephStiglitz
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It really isn't.  I agree with the broken window fallacy, but the list of technologies that emerged out of the 2nd world war (many of which had significant benefits on the average individual) was both extensive, and isn't really considered.

Here are a few:
- Nuclear power 
- Plastics
- Synthetic rubber
- Antibiotics (first mass-produced, but discovered before)
- Aerial technology
- Early computers

The list goes on.  Of course many more of the technologies had direct military application, and many were extremely destructive to humanity.  It does highlight an interesting facet of military spending.

I'm not a fan of war at all.  I think it is largely destructive and is best avoided.  But humans always are most innovative with their backs to the wall and nothing screams R&D like international conflict between major developed powers. 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:49 | 4777910 Anusocracy
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I'm usually agnostic on arguments like that because mankind's warfare is based in monkey warfare and has been one of man's most consistent and long-lasting traits.

You can't replay history without war, therefore one cannot objectively assign any good coming from warfare as being at its earliest or only because of war.

But you can objectively assign a lot of bad.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:46 | 4773593 BlindMonkey
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I'm just hoping we will start Krugman's interstellar war in my lifetime.  'Murica, FUCK YEAH!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:51 | 4773614 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, I'm sure we'll survive all this "progress" and pseudo-economics.  /s

Alas, Economics in NOT a science.  See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NiauhOCfsk

"CURRENT ECONOMICS IS A FORM OF BRAIN DAMAGE" - Dr. David Suzuki, Geneticist/Activist

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:56 | 4774184 Things that go bump
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Once the war starts and their attention is directed elsewhere, during the most painful part, that is the time to kick them when they're down and are distracted. 

"Rise like  lions after slumber

In unvanquishable numbers

Throw your chains off you like dew

That in sleep had fallen on you.

Ye are many, they are few." Percy Bysshe Shelley.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:13 | 4775556 wee-weed up
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MillionDollarBonus_   said: All this global conflict is like economic shock therapy.

Actually, all this recent "global conflict" is because all the world's tin-horned dictators...

can clearly see there is a complete wussy in the US White House for the first time in generations - if not for the first time ever.

Plain and simple! They're not fools.

They're gonna GET what they've always wanted all these years while the getting is good!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:20 | 4773252 Redneck Hippy
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Annexation of Vietnam is even more stupid than annexing Afghanistan.  What do you get?  An impoverished country full of the greatest resistance fighters in the world.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:26 | 4773274 Citxmech
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You get a distraction for your disgruntled (over-)population who are close to rioting/civil war.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:27 | 4773278 BigJim
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Oh, I dunno. Invading Viet Nam worked well for the French, the Japs, the Yanks... why not the Chinese too?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:15 | 4773445 Ignatius
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The Chinese have had no luck invading Vietnam for 2000+ years.  This will not change. To borrow on a bad joke: they may look the same to you and me, but not to each other.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:13 | 4773705 FMR Bankster
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The last thing in the world China wants is to annex Vietnam. However, the PLA still holds a grudge from the a**kicking they took in 1979. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them attack. In 1979 China hadn't fought a war in over 25 years and Vietnam had been at war constantly since 1945. It showed. China thought they would kick a** and they ended up in a standoff for several months before giving up and heading home. Look for a short sharp conflict to try out new weapons, send a message to their neighbors, and get some payback.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:19 | 4774035 NickVegas
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You would start jacking off in your cube if there were humans dying in a war somewhere. Your masters will be pleased at your enthusiasm.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:50 | 4774656 Flagit
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Its a Tune-up fight.

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:01 | 4773649 Kirk2NCC1701
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The US uses Vietnam as an alternative Mfg place to China, where the wages are even lower.  How ironic, that after everything that the Vietnam War "gave" the US, that US politicians are fully on board with its CEOs and are now "friends".

If this isn't just sabre-rattling, to force the US to print more currency and be over-extended in even more places (like the Roman Empire of old), then it's a good way to shut down US Mfg Ops and its sweat shops in Vietnam.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:26 | 4773761 Calmyourself
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Last time China tried this it did not work out so well..  http://sinovietnamesewar.com/

We shall see..

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:06 | 4773980 Terminus C
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That was a different Vietnamese army than the one of today.  That army was loaded with combat veterens, this one will not be.  I am not saying the Viet would lose but what happened in the last war is largely irrelevant to what would happen this time around.  The most horrific casualties in war (from a military viewpoint) come from when the Generals fight the last war in tactics and expectations but are using the latest weapon systems.

Fuck war and the sociopaths who feed on it.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:22 | 4776522 edotabin
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As it said on the mutual fund prospectus: Past performance is no guarantee of future gains.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:13 | 4774013 Clark Bent
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Excuse me, beg to differ. Ass was kicked not by Vietnamese but by (Red) Democrats within the US. After Nixon they got everything they wanted, including cutting off aid to South Vietnam to insure their communist brothers would secure socialist utopia there. Commies took all of Vietnam, spilled over to Cambodia where another socialist takeover led to real Progress there too.  

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 17:12 | 4775035 Nobody Important
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Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:55 | 4776337 newbie vampire
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"Support the same people that kicked its ass in the 60s and 70s?"

Yep.  The VCs are our ally now, just like Japan.

And after the Chicoms get their asses kicked either by Vietnam (US proxy) or US boots on the ground since we got plenty cannon fodder, then the PRC will become our new ally too.

Everything good, no ?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 16:37 | 4778736 Mad Muppet
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Vietnam is a no-brainer for Chinese annexation. What the hell is the USSA going to do about it? Support the same people that kicked its ass in the 60s and 70s?

 

 

 

That's exactly what they'll do. We always buddy up with our past enemies, after some time has passed. And have you forgotten the China/Viet war? China got spanked. This could end very badly for China. If Japan/Phillipines/US/Korea join in, the the Chinese navy is toast. In my view, Viet Nam is a likely ally for us. They have proven to be great warriors, and as we've been recently reminded "inside every gook is an American trying to get out".

  They might go the full monty with Russia, but that would draw Europe into it, and that's a real no-win for them as well as the rest of the World. We would all lose, but they would lose much more than us (assuming a non or limited nuclear conflict).

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:46 | 4773136 SafelyGraze
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the most frightening aspect of this development is that if vietnam falls, it will merely be the first of many dominoes to fall

and then centralized medical insurance will find its way to american shores

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:09 | 4773210 Arius
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really, i dont get it ... what's wrong with medical access/hospitals as a right for everybody?  i think thats what most of the world has, from Japan to Canada and the rest of europe among others ... am i missing smt?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:29 | 4773287 BigJim
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What's wrong with government coercively taking money from A to pay for the private, excludable good/services consumed by B?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

/s <= for the irony-challenged

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:28 | 4773560 economics9698
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Arius what you are missing is health care was 15% of the cost from 1929 to 1970.  Health care laws are designed to help the industry, not you.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:33 | 4773302 sessinpo
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Arius         really, i dont get it ... what's wrong with medical access/hospitals as a right for everybody?

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You already had that prior ro ObamaCare. The law forbid an ER from refusing a patient.

Now Government is mandating a cost prohibitive product that gives government control. It doesn't increase access/hospitals. In contrast, it is decreasing it because more doctors are not wanting to participate in the government plan. You, the patient, are caught in the middle and out of luck. And because it is law, you have no choice.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:16 | 4773460 Meat Hammer
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Arius, before you express even one more opinion on this site, please learn the difference between rights and privileges.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:48 | 4774399 Things that go bump
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My great great grandmother was a midwife in Iowa and the closest thing they had to a medical professional for miles around. She treated everybody for everthing. If it was too muddy to take the buggy she saddled up the horse, and they paid her however they could, often in kind. Healthcare has not traditionally been a privilege, but a thing provided by self-employed people who generally entered that profession for more altuistic reasons then mere profit and delivered benefit for all in a community. Cost was not ruinous and people paid what they could. Much of the cost of healthcare today is the price for the byzantine bureaucracy that has attached itself like a cancer to the profession.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:22 | 4773484 El Vaquero
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Umm, if you haven't noticed, everything that the government has touched for the past decade or three has turned to shit.  And on top of that, Japan, Europe, etc... have had their defense spending subsidized by the US.  That made them a little more able to do socialized medicine.  And even being a little more able, look at the poor financial state they're in today. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:36 | 4773516 Arius
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before everybody gets on my case please read what i refered to ...most of Europe (i think is all but just in case), Japan, Canada among others have the medical coverage for everybody.

 

Obama care is NOT even close to what the rest of the World has.  In the US even the name is misleading ... it is called smt like public option or whatever. 

 

FYI, when the first Commission was created by Obama, there were 16 members NONE of them, i repeat NONE supported public option.

 

What we have with Obama care has been written by and for the insurance companies PERIOD

ps. he probably agreed to it (if it was even necessary) before running ... get it?

 

All my point is HOW come all these other countries can do it, and in the US is a non starting point?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:45 | 4773591 overmedicatedun...
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gee, maybe a constitution, a republic, and a nation of independent minded individuals not idiot subjects of the state??

"All my point is HOW come all these other countries can do it, and in the US is a non starting point?"

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:52 | 4773620 El Vaquero
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All these other countries have had their defense spending subsidized by the US for decades, freeing up resources for universal health care, and they are still in the financial shithouse.  Do you really think Japan's debt situation is good?  Universal health care is not something that governments can afford forever.  And when that "not forever" ends, what are you going to do?  Assume that these countries' health care systems are better than critics claim, fine.  But understand, these systems are going to go away, because there is too much deficit spending.  Everywhere.  

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:20 | 4773735 g speed
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you miss his point El-- he thinks its a shame that hospitals can't just use their "tricorders" and heal-- were's the cost??? --- I mean they do it on Star Trek--its called universal health care--I mean get a life El--duh

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 13:19 | 4774069 Terminus C
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While you are correct that those countries have had their defense spending subsidized, the US spent more per capita on health care before Ocare than any nation with universal health care coverage (now you'll be off the charts, America - Fuck Yea!).  The problem with socialized anything is choosing where to allocate resources.  In an ideal situation the person who chooses for society makes the right investment and everybody benefits, however, this never happens because the one who makes the choice is a falible human being who is influenced by individual desire and is easily corrupted (consciously or unconsciously).  When the corruption happens then disaster for the system is built in.  We "solve" this issue by making individuals responsible for their own choices so if they make a poor choice they suffer.  However, the weakness of the individualist system is that (as any investor knows) you cannot leverage your assets so your return is far smaller.

Socialism cannot work because of human nature.  Capitalism works initially because of human nature.  Where capitalism fails is when monopoly is formed and corrupts market forces.  Monopoly is a feature of capitalism, however, not a bug.

In the end there is no system that works because humans are greedy, corrupt fuckers who will wreck everything around them just to get ahead of their neighbor. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:41 | 4773573 Pumpkin
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You sure as hell don't get it.  Who has the obligation to pay for your medicial bills?  You and I both have a right to property, to give it away or keep it.  Owner's choice.  Each owner's choice.  You have no right to my property.  Does that help you any?  Or are you still lost?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:58 | 4773643 BlindMonkey
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"what's wrong with medical access/hospitals as a right for everybody?"

 

Rights are granted by God.  In any event, you cannot grant a right of someone else's labor and resources.  You can mandate it by goverment edict and likely it will be delivered in the same manner as any other compulsory duty.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:29 | 4773769 Quus Ant
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Life is a gift from god- but rights, even the right to life, are granted or withheld by men.  The sooner common men realize this the sooner they will take hold of their rights.  Stop waiting for a savior (heavenly intercession).

unto caesar what is caesar's; unto god what is god's.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:32 | 4774093 Terminus C
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This.

The rights of man in nature are granted by your ability to exert power over the enviroment and its denizens around you.  There are many sources of power (strength, intelligence, social manipulation etc...) but power is the only grantor and guarantor of rights.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:53 | 4773893 Quus Ant
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I get you, Arius.  I don't see this as an issue of property rights.  My beef is more with a healthcare system that is in actuality a wealthcare system.  This system does not promote healthy living- it extends unhealthy living at all costs.  Making such a system compulsory, or TBTF, will not improve its efficacy. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:19 | 4774041 El Vaquero
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No, this is a big issue that does encompass property rights.  Should you be forced to pay for a heroin addict's narcan in the event of an overdose?  You will have to give up some of your property to do so.  I would just let the guy die if he couldn't afford it, but let us assume, for the sake of argument, that we all agree that there should be universal health care.  (And no, ZH, I do not agree with that, this is just for the sake of argument.)  We are then left with the question of how far the nanny state goes, and we are also left with the question of when we are going to "run out of other people's money," i.e. overextend our resource consumption pushing the "Great Society."  

 

Give me control over your health care, and I have justification for having control over actions that pertain to your health.  Is that the world that you want to live in?  

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4774062 Quus Ant
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If you would let a fellow human suffer while you held the means to ease his pain than no, I would not want to live in your world.  Thank god you are not in control.  I do not accept this system and I would not accept yours.  Compassion. Compassion.  And again Compassion.  Death is a given, but at the least, please, compassion.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:36 | 4774112 El Vaquero
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Yes, I would let the heroin addict die.  Consequences.  We're living in a world goverened by people who face no consequences for their actions.  We are all going to pay the consequences for their actions in the end, and you aren't going to be very happy about it.  If you want to fund the heroin addicts narcan treatment to save his life, you are welcome to it.  But you shouldn't be allowed to force me to, at the point of a tax collector's gun.  If you mistake that for a lack of compassion, then you need to understand that I believe in giving people opportunities, and letting them suffer, or benefit for their own actions.  Suffering from other's actions is a different story.  If you want liberty, suffering MUST be allowed.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:39 | 4774617 Arius
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Cant put everything on the same bowl and make generalizations.  people are different situations are different, God made people different.

Yes, I would be more on Quus Ant camp about easing if you can people's pain ... compassion is not a strange world and concept if you believe.  it makes you a better man, you will feel better about yourself.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 15:00 | 4774685 El Vaquero
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In my experience, drug addicts who get to the point where their addiction leads to a lethal overdose, they have been in decline for a long, long time.  Want to be compassionate?  Put your effort towards getting them to either manage their addiction or kick their addiction BEFORE they get to that point.  Ironically, the war on drugs makes this approach more difficult because, in order to get treatment, you have to acknowledge that you have a committed a crime.  But, in the end, forcing people pay for saving a person who has overdosed is subsidising self destructive behavior.  If you want to do that as an individual, go ahead.  But don't force me to.  

 

It's the same with feeding the homeless.  Just outright let an able bodied and able minded person starve?  No.  Give them the choice between starving and producing their own food.  I am not opposed to setting a plot of land aside to put bunks where they can sleep and grow food.  I am not opposed to community gardens for those who have a roof over their heads but can't afford decent food.  In fact, I would donate my time and my resources towards these things.  I am opposed to SNAP and EBT.  I am opposed to guarantees that people won't face the natural consequences of self destructive behavior.  It must be understood that too much compassion can be destructive by encouraging poor behavior.  

 

Like I say, don't mistake my willingness to allow people face the consequences of their actions as a lack of compassion.  

 

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 15:54 | 4774826 ZerOhead
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If I find you lying in a ditch on the side of the road requiring medical assistance I'm still going to see to it that you get help regardless if you have purchased medical insurance or not.

If that time indeed comes I just hope that you can find room in your Liberatian heart forgive me...   ;)

 

(Hey... I'm 90% with you alright?)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:47 | 4775846 Quus Ant
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That's silly, Zero.  Let him bleed out.  That's the only way he'll ever learn.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:17 | 4776144 El Vaquero
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Except I'm not against charity.  Just forced charity.  (Note: I'm not getting into the exorbitant costs of medical care in the US, which fucks all sorts of things up.)  If you want to set up a charity for saving drug addicts that are on the verge of killing themselves, go ahead.  If you think you can save them, then give it a shot.  But please be honest with the results.  If 3 out of 4 go back and overdose one or more times, be honest about it.  If you figure out a way to improve upon that, spread your methods around.  But don't force other people to pay for it.  Come up with a sound methodology, and convince people to help.  

 

And BTW, my setting a plot of land aside for the homeless to feed themselves has many aspects that could be considered socialist.  While I'll state that I am more similar to libertarian than not, you'd have a fun time really pigeonholing me if it came down to putting a label on me.  

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 15:12 | 4774709 RallyRoundTheFamily
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I tried +2 but I can only upvote this comment once...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:16 | 4774027 Clark Bent
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How can one have a right to the productive capacity, no let's make it simpler, the right to command medical personnel to service them for nothing? We used to have the right to compel service in the United States, but that ended with the 13th Amendment (after a bit of a conflict), or maybe not. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:21 | 4774582 Anusocracy
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"am i missing smt

The fact that idiots are destroying freedom all over the world. No, you didn't miss it - you just can't understand it.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 15:32 | 4774777 mc225
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maybe part of the wrongness is that the 'authorities' are always pushing 'bad medicine' on the 'proles'?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:08 | 4773211 Bindar Dundat
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The Chinese want the U.S. to back away from the China sea.  That's it, that's all.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:10 | 4773222 Arius
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i am afraid you are correct ... what do we do?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 18:20 | 4775230 Bogdog
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We tell them, NO, YOU CAN'T buy our bonds anymore.........oh wait. Nevermind.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:09 | 4773219 DeadFred
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Speaking of old ideas China did this once before and got thouroughly trounced with large number of causualties moving them a few miles into Vietnam. Of course this time they aren't facing battle hardened veterans and they probably learned a lesson or two. The spectator side of me will be intereested in the show. May we all live in exciting times.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:24 | 4773489 Stuck on Zero
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China and Vietnam have been slugging it out for 4000 years.  This was first reported in the West by Marco Polo.

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:19 | 4773250 j0nx
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WE elected? Who's this 'WE' kimosabe?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:10 | 4773221 eclectic syncretist
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Right on! The banks are in trouble again and need a huge conflict to profit/survive.  First there was an attempt to get it going in Syria, then there was the most widespread outbreak of Ebola virus ever, then fighting in Ukraine, and now the ongoing spread of a new strain of MERS, and China/Vietnam, and these are only some highlights.  There have been an unusually large number of potentially catastrophic happenings over a very short time interval until now.  I'm not saying conspiracy, but it certainly is altogether suspicious, like the bankster rulers are reaching a point of desperation.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:50 | 4773873 Ferrari
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I think no sentient citizen should be afraid of the word "conspiracy."

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:28 | 4773281 Schaublin
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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:29 | 4773289 Schaublin
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economics,

I agree that the unwholesome parasites have been sucking the blood of Europeans for many hundreds of years but history tells us that violence against them only culls the weak ones while allowing the smarter ones to regroup somewhere else - even worse than before. Selective breeding by pogrom has got us to where we are today with these vermin. Non participation by Europeans of usury would, (without any violence) kill the beast stone dead.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:01 | 4773399 economics9698
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If you kill someone you should pay the price.  Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.  Hang the mother fuckers.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:39 | 4776412 SAT 800
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With regard to the photo for the post. "But he's already on the Exit Lane; and there's a pretty purple flower in the picture, doesn't that mean everything is alright?".

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:02 | 4773403 economics9698
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delete.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 13:09 | 4774236 Abitdodgie
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I can never figure out in this day and age , with all the Vet's getting the shaft and every war been a pointless war , then who the fuck is dumb enough to sign up.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:35 | 4776308 newbie vampire
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" then who the fuck is dumb enough to sign up."

The warmongers don't need no volunteers, they got the draft.  That applies to anyone who is not actively looking for employment and has fallen off the unemployment data.

 

 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:36 | 4776410 SAT 800
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Dude; they ELECTED Obama. you greatly overestimate your fellow inmates.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:56 | 4773636 BrosephStiglitz
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Honestly the Russians and Chinese must be crying with laughter right now.  How many wars can the US actually afford to fight legitimately and how many fronts can their forces cover?  The Middle East will probably soon be ablaze with civil unrest now, suggesting a slipping grip on their oil interests.  Russia is heating things up in Europe and China is heating things up in Asia.   Not to mention the American people are simmering with anger right now.

So where do you send your forces?  Germany to reassure allies?  Keep them at home to squash dissent?  Send them to Japan to keep the Chinese in check?  How about the Middle East the stop Iranian nuclear ambitions, keep Israel happy and squash popular protest in oil and gas exporting nations?

You know those scenes in Scooby Doo where they chase the boogeyman through a corridor of doors?  Back and forth, back and forth in a jumble of chaotic chasing?

The US military, particularly the naval forces must look very much like that right now.  The end game is to bankrupt the US at an increasing rate, and to demonstrate to the US allies that the times are changing and they can no longer militarily live up to their global promises.  There won't be any serious fighting until alliances have come unhinged, unless something seriously gets out of control. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:18 | 4773730 dontgoforit
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Broseph - you sound like you need your meds, dude.  Lighten up.  U.S. military is fine.  Banksters and politicians not so good.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:38 | 4774119 Terminus C
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Interesting that you see those as separate institutions.  You have not fully swallowed the red pill.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:25 | 4777807 BrosephStiglitz
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Exactly.  Separating them is foolish because ultimately a detested political class can only defend its interests at home at gunpoint.  If I need meds then reading statistics on approval ratings of Congress being lows must have never happened.

I want to iterate here.. I don't have any problems with Americans.  I like the American people, the average Americans are some of the most genuine, honest and industrious individuals in the world.  I don't have problem with the guys in the US armed forces.  I've gone out drinking with them, most of them were good guys.  Ultimately I'm just calling it how I see it, and defending an enormous expanse of territories is extremely costly.  Protracted global unrest is the beginning of the end for a stagnating nation.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:19 | 4777808 BrosephStiglitz
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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:48 | 4775666 cnmcdee
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. . . . . . *** HEADS UP FOLKS *** . . . . Each event was precisely in  7 year cycles on a Jewish Calendar

1981-09-28 (29 Elul 5741) Nikkei 225 dropped 302.84 (Record)

1988-09-11 (29 Elul 5748) Annular Ecliipse

1995-09-24 (29 Elul 5755) 14 People killed by Eric Borel 2001-09-17 (29 Elul 5761)  685 Point drop in DOW 2008-09-29 (29 Elul 5768) 777 Point Drop in Dow. Next Big Event? 2015-09-13 (29 Elul 5775) 

  - Will be an lunar eclipse AND a Feast of Trumpets Jewish holiday on that day.  If my analysis of prophecy is correct we could see the giant earthquake hit Honsu (the main island of Japan) on THAT DAY. It will cause markets to collapse around the world, and cause a 20-30 foot tsunami to strike the coast of California destroying the rich beach mansions.  Approximately a short span later (10 days - 3 weeks) a second LARGER quake will strike California.  It could possibly be the one where sections of Los Angeles goes into the ocean.  This is going to trigger 200 ft tsunami waves, and this quake will extend 700 miles up the coast, possibly seeing the fulfillment of the 100 ft tsunami to hit Portland Oregon.  About three weeks after this a THIRD quake will strike, and this will cause the Hoover dam and other dams in the area to fail.  California will be without power and without water. The one fellow who was told to move to a higher elevation was informed it will be 5 months before help arrives.

Parallel to this event we are going to experience 4 blood moon lunar eclipses AND a solar eclipse all on Jewish Holidays finishing in Oct 2015 (the first one was last month in Apr 2014).  Throughout history this has predicted major changes in Israel's history.  If a major war occurs with Israel during this window we will see the war as prophesied by Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj occur, all the muslims nations around Israel will launch massive rocket attacks.  Historically Israel was supernaturally protected but in this conflict all the protections will be removed.  Jerusalem will be divided in a 'land for peace deal'  It is important to also note that Israel will be given back the Temple Mount (and animal sacrifices will be reinstated.)

As I understand it within 24 hrs after the United States politically traps Israel in this peace agreement the New Madrid Earthquake will strike causing Lake Superior to wash over Chicago, and for the Mississippi river to widen to from 30 - 100 miles.

At some point additionally either this coming California Quake, or a larger event to come, Russia will launch an atomic strike against the United States, starting with first 3 EMP warheads, followed by 3 1/2 days of day and night atomic attack.  China will follow with a ground invasion.  Even though the remnant of the government will try to broker a peace deal with what is left of America it will be ignored.  Dumitru Dudumen was clear - 'when America goes to war with China, Russia will strike without warning.'

Although even after years of research I cannot tell you the order of these coming super events (the Nuclear strike on America, the California quakes (first Los Angeles then San Francisco), the Madrid Quake, and the Meteor to strike Puerto Rico causing a Tsunami to inundate half of Florida - and knock the central servers running the internet out in New York for almost a year) - these events are coming.

Intuition of many prophecies seems to indicate to me that the nuclear strike will be in 2017.

This is the last year that people will be able to stockpile food and provision. Something is going to happen in 2015 that will prevent any more preparation.

It must be noted :

  - There will be an inexplicable collapse in the Yen prior to the market collapse.

  - There will be a almost total crop failure prior to the collapse.

  - Castro will die just prior to the collapse.

  - The collapse will be cause by a giant earthquake hitting the Island of Honsu (main island of Japan) it will be LARGER than the quake that hit Fukushima Prefecture.

  - After the collapse the market will start to come back up and there will be much talk of getting back into the market. DO NOT DO IT! It will be a trap, and it will collapse again and not come back up.

This points more and more to the collapse being timed for Sep 2015, with the 13th being the 29th of Elul.

If you are the praying type I would highly recommend it.

 

 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:30 | 4776406 SAT 800
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Giggle, giggle. always interesting to hear from a genuine left-hand threaded Wing-Nut. A real, certified, card-carrying screwball.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:33 | 4776408 SAT 800
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Check this out; the intelligent, well-informed, and alert posters of Zero Hedge have up ticked this raving looney dingbat 4 times already. I wonder if there actually is an internet forum for educated people? Probably not. they usually have something useful to do.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 08:33 | 4776777 Proofreder
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I gave a greenie just to piss you off ...

WTF

and you forgot the sarc tag too

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:15 | 4773060 Sudden Debt
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Some sand somewhere in the sea in front of Vietnam where nobody ever goes to.

BUT FOR SURE WE NEED TO DEFEND THAT SAND EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GO NUCLEAR!!!!

SEND IN THE 18 YEAR OLD KIDS!!!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:56 | 4773639 tony wilson
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yes sir dat sand is prescious

it so special someones needs to turn it to glass so wes can ship it to the usa homelands for coke bottling.

nuclaer glass is natural and holesum.

even better than depleted uraniums missus

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:43 | 4773850 Cruel Aid
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It is called Trinitite. It was on the test. Interesting looking rocks, bubbly and green.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:39 | 4776313 newbie vampire
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"SEND IN THE 18 YEAR OLD KIDS!!!"

Then the 16s and if that ain't enuff the 14s.


Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:30 | 4773092 dobermangang
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Give me an F! Give me a U!  Give me a C!  Give me a K!  What's that spell???  What's that spell?  What's that spell? ......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXspsfoPX50

Well they ain't no time to wonder why.  Whoopee we're all gonna die.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:27 | 4775615 bonin006
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Country Joe & the Fish -- Vietnam song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUBCF3KKxc

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:23 | 4776404 SAT 800
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Supposedly the "purpose" of the Vietnam War, (don't ask me what the real purpose was; I was never able to even guess at what it might be), was to prevent the slanty eyed oriental communists in the area from forming up in one big campfire ring, singing Kumbaya and then taking over that half of the world. This was know as the Domino Theory. In reality they were just waiting for a chance to tear each others throats out over some capitalist profits. The irony is overwhelming.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:57 | 4773388 Omen IV
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so soorrry ! obama san - no TPP

you fuckin arrogant moron! 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:12 | 4773443 Freddie
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The elites, banksters and weapons merchants need MOAR wars.   Last time China tussled with Vietnam - the Chinese got their asses kicked.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:10 | 4773692 RafterManFMJ
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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 14:13 | 4774513 Mesquite
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Re: China telling Obama to...

They already told that to Mr. Hagel..

This thread is exploding rapidly.

Oh well..

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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:08 | 4773035 JPM Hater001
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That which couldnt be done with 200 Million Americans becomes more possible with 1.3 Billion Chinese.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:28 | 4773087 Headbanger
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Don't be so sure about that.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:43 | 4773332 sessinpo
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JPM Hater001         That which couldnt be done with 200 Million Americans becomes more possible with 1.3 Billion Chinese.

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Did the US have 200 million soldiers in Vietnam? Wow, news to me. So you are expecting 1.3 billion chinese to fight theh Veetnamese?

Okay, so I made fun of your numbers. I do get your point.

If anything, what advantage the Chinese have over America is logistics and advance weapons, not numbers. A reminder, that Vietnam came into existence by defeating China.

I think the most interesting thing is that it is one communist state fighting another communist state. In other words, communism doesn't make them brothers. It's about power no matter what the political or economic ideology.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:01 | 4773396 Omen IV
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without Ho Chi Min  - a nationalist with street cred - the gooks are history

they are led now by Obama kleptocrats - no one will fight for them!

thats why the riots are there probably planted by china

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:10 | 4773427 Omen IV
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without Ho Chi Min  - a nationalist with street cred - the gooks are history

they are led now by Obama kleptocrats - no one will fight for them!

thats why the riots are there probably planted by china

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:15 | 4773454 SofaPapa
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"I think the most interesting thing is that it is one communist state fighting another communist state. In other words, communism doesn't make them brothers. It's about power no matter what the political or economic ideology."

I believe this may be one of the hallmarks of the current century.  The 20th century was marked by the rise of societal ideologies and their associated propagandas.  I think in the past twenty years, people have finally woken up to the fact that these ideologies are and always have been just a cover for the pursuit of raw power by whoever puts themselves in a position to pursue it.  Orwell's message took about a half a century to sink in, but I believe most people around the globe are now pretty clear on this reality.  That is the "interesting" in our current version of the ancient curse about interesting times.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:21 | 4774050 Clark Bent
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Woken up, no they haven't Fo'ward! 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:19 | 4775582 naughtius maximus
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Interesting comment bro

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:26 | 4773271 sessinpo
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Haus-Targaryen       and Washington will start sanctioning China in 3 .... 2.... oh wait.

How many TBills do the own again?

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If that were the case, the Federal Gov would have stopped sanctioning its own citizens since Americans own the majority of the debt. China is more important because they are about goverment control as is the American government. Citizens be damned no matter what nationality.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:33 | 4773798 OldPhart
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'Americans' don't own the debt, the FED does.  There is a distinct difference.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 09:40 | 4773322 Government need...
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The key question is where does Belgium stand on this issue, since Belgium now 'holds' $400 billion USTs (and rising at a rate of $40-65 billion per month).  Bwahahahah!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:20 | 4775587 naughtius maximus
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Belgium known for waffles, water cannons, and bag holding

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:57 | 4776429 SAT 800
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My best estimate as to what this actually means is that some very large banks in Brussels, and there are some VERY large banks in Brussels, have been buying Treasuries for their clients; in other words it represents a safe-haven run out of the Euro. There's always a certain social class that knows beforehand. This would show up exactly as it does on the Treasury Account; foreign owners; Belgium.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:26 | 4773760 RafterManFMJ
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THIS SHITSHOW BETTER NOT START BEFORE I GET MY IPHONE 6! And not the small one, the one with the bigger screen, faster processor, and swizzle stick. Yeah!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:32 | 4773790 OldPhart
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Let's really get the party started!

The USSA can join in by annexing Cuba, Mexico and Canada.

Can't have a World War without the entire World involved...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:29 | 4776296 newbie vampire
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"How many TBills do the own again? "

Nada.  As soon as the Chicoms fire a shot, the US will freeze all China's Treasuries until the PRC surrenders unconditionally.

Time to mobilise the cannon fodder and send them to the front.

Has Team Obama advised our ally Vietnam that we got their backs covered ?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:55 | 4776422 SAT 800
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Exactly; I posted about this further down, because I didn't see your post. That's what "counterparty risk" actually means.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:10 | 4773044 Latina Lover
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Yeah, that would be fun watching the USSA sanction China, LOL.  What else other than hot air does Washington produce?

If we could get rid of the circus on the Potomac, imagine how much freerer and richer we would be.

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:15 | 4773061 Haus-Targaryen
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All that needs to happen is the USSA China, and then China start a little QE of their own, and start dumping say ... $75Billion of their Tbills per month into the market, effectivly doubling supply of tbills for the next near, thus doubling yields.  Lets see how the USSA deals with a 5% 10 year coupon.  

I think that China would get downgraded, a few of their satellites would fall out of the sky, and other such nonesense. 

At which point the Chinese tell the Japanese to sell all their TBills -- or they invade. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 08:44 | 4773132 CrimsonAvenger
CrimsonAvenger's picture

+17 Trillion. It's so embarassing to see the bluster from the hotheads in Washington, knowng they're the same ones who piled on so much debt that we've become the bitch of the very people we pretend to stand against.

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