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China Publishes Data Claiming US Is World's Largest Cyber Attacker
Well that didn't take long. Having already responded angrily to the US charging 5 military officers with cyber espionage, China has published details of the US cyber attacks:
- *CHINA CALLS U.S. THE BIGGEST ATTACKER OF CYBER SPACE: XINHUA
From 3/19 to 5/18, they claim to have found 135 host computers in the US carrying 563 phishing pages targeting Chinese sites that directly controlled 1.18 million computers. But Jay Carney said earlier that "the US does not engage in economic espionage."
As Xinhua reports,
A spokesperson for China's State Internet Information Office on Monday published the latest data of U.S. cyber attack, saying that China is a solid defender of cyber security.
The U.S. is the biggest attacker of China's cyber space, the spokesperson said, adding that the U.S. charges of hacking against five Chinese military officers on Monday are "groundless".
Latest data from the National Computer Network Emergency Response Technical Team Coordination Center of China (NCNERTTCC) showed that from March 19 to May 18, a total of 2,077 Trojan horse networks or botnet servers in the U.S. directly controlled 1.18 million host computers in China.
The NCNERTTCC found 135 host computers in the U.S. carrying 563 phishing pages targeting Chinese websites that led to 14,000 phishing operations. In the same period, the center found 2,016 IP addresses in the U.S. had implanted backdoors in 1,754 Chinese websites, involving 57,000 backdoor attacks.
The U.S. attacks, infiltrates and taps Chinese networks belonging to governments, institutions, enterprises, universities and major communication backbone networks. Those activities target Chinese leaders, ordinary citizens and anyone with a mobile phone. In the meantime, the U.S. repeatedly accuses China of spying and hacking.
China has repeatedly asked the U.S. to stop, but it never makes any statement on its wiretaps, nor does it desist, not to mention make apology to the Chinese people.
After the Prism program leaked by Edward Snowden, the United States was accused by the whole world. However, it has never made retrospection, instead, it accuses others.
The spokesperson said the Chinese government opposes any kinds of cyber crimes, and any groundless accusations against the country.
If the United States goes its own way, China will take countermeasures, the spokesperson said.
Of course, the real way the Chinese can quiet down the US is by signing that Russian "holy grail" gas deal this week.
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This is getting crazy... The dollar could be dead by Fall. What are we doing angering all these nations?!
NWO doesn't believe in nations, but it sure as hell believes in war and general chaos. The Fed has printed literally trillions of dollars in a very short period of time. That money is not going under Jamie's mattress. The exlax has been taken. The fan is oiled and ready to go.
The NWO certainly believes in nations. They are districts for the agents of the NWO. Did you expect those people to give up their local power just to have the larger international power come in to support them? You can't be that damn stupid.
Libertarians don't believe in nations though. Nations are idiotic if you actually spent time thinking about what they are.
Weren't you in the military, NidStyles? What the fuck did you join up for if you don't believe in nations? Were you just wanting to kill people for a living?
I think his eyes were opened.
Well, less than 24 hours for a rebuttal for the criminal charges filed by the numpties at the DOJ today...
Why Obama is picking fights with so many at the same time?
@ Unknown User,
Order out of Chaos. That's why.
ordo ab chao
deiectio ab mauris
The way things are going it's more like diarrhea out of shit.
Buy more stawks. Buy, buy, buy.
Maybe the shitheads who are busy making deals with mainland should read "Unresticted Warfare by Col. L/iang and Xia/ngsui. It is a long term plan to ass rape the United States.
But who cares the Markets are up, the trust fund babies are doing great, and the idle rich are having fun. Congress is making a fortune while sucking on hard candies, The working guy watches JayZ and Mad Man.
This country has become the joke of history. They will look back and wonder how fucking stupid this entire thing is, that is if we don't start WWIII first.
Why is Africa such a shithole full of violent criminal African warlords? You either buy into the concepts of polite civilization plus status and compensation for merit, or you don't. Everyone is created equal. You work hard at life to become unequal. Or you use government violence to destroy and steal the hard work of others because you are too fn stupid and disrespectful to see earned inequality good for everyone and society as whole. Bailout Bankers, corrupt sellout theiving polticians, and the Free Shit Army are the exact same meritless parasites who believe they are entitled to equal or more than equal compensation for the hard work of others.
If only TPTB would "buy into the concepts of polite civilization plus status and compensation for merit, or you don't." etc. The world would be such a better place.
"I think his eyes were opened."
I'm a great believer in second-chances, and not faulting someone for past mistakes. But NidStyles strikes me as a black and white guy who went from "Let's kill terr'ists", to "fuck, I've been lied to, is there another simple worldview I can embrace?"
Ouch.
*grabs popcorn*
You strike me as an idiot that doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground.
I joined for the training, and I have never viewed those people from Saudi as terrorists. Thanks for telling me what I think though.
BTW, why is that you always have to go personal rather than staying on topic? Is it because you can not hold a single thought clearly enough to elaborate?
You joined for the training? I'm pretty sure they don't just train you and release you. Were you an exception?
The Saudis were the ones on the plane, asswipe. Did they teach you that in the one-off training seminar you attended after joining the military?
So what, you think you are fit to judge me now? You, of all members on this site have very little right to judge others.
I'm sure your little cabal of statist assholes will have fun with junking me, because God know's you turds only get happy when you can feel vindicated in your hatred of anyone for making any sort of mistake when they were younger ;-) Let's hear about how much better you are than the rest of us some more LTER, it's not like you don't share it with us daily.
Were they on the plane? Were you there to see them get on those planes?
If you reject your earlier mistakes then hats off. But you are making them again. The world is not a series of simple problems to be solved by embracing ideology. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not join the military to kill people and that you were merely misled. But now you are a mouthpiece for oligarchy and anarchy ruled by oligarchy. The answer to being lied to is not embracing another group of liars.
I don't believe the official 9/11 story, but I believe the Saudis were part of the real one. The guys who made 9/11 happen were bankers whose entire existence depends on the petro dollar, and the petro dollar enables the Saudi Kings to do the insanely depraved things they do.
Says the guy that has never read a fucking sentence of work by Rothbard, yet thinks all Libertarians derive insight from Ayn Rand, who is not even considered a Libertarian writer by any of the Libertarians alive now or in the past.
Secondly, you don't even know my personal world view on a damn thing, you've never actually interacted with me in any other shape or form that was not an Ad-Hom. Which, points out that the one making the mistake again here is not in fact me, but you. Go on your witchhunt though, I love reading what you progressive idiots think, it's like watch a sitcom with how simplesticly direct your reasoning is.
I honestly could care less what you personally think, but don't think for a second I'm some second rate intellectual push over. The truth is far further from your opinion than you could possibly imagine. I've seen you post your so called "opinion" all over this site for over two years now, and I have not seen anything impressive on any level. At least Flak was a damn challenge as he's actually intelligent.
Yeah the Saudi's were doing it all alone, while the FBI watched... You're a lot slower than I thought.
I don't consider you a second rate inellectual push over. I consider you someone who gravites towards simple solutions to complex problems. Many great writers (and I don't count you among them, anymore than I count myself among them) suffer from that affliction. And if you read my post above, you would probably realize that I don't think the Saudis acted alone, unless you think all bankers are Saudis.
You mistake simple replies for giving solutions. Some of us intelligent folks are very capable of transmiting complex topics in the simplest of terms with mutual understanding. Ceteris Paribus is always implied unless otherwise denied.
Bankers don't have acces to military grade thermite, nor do they have access to airliners or NORCOM.
People who work for the bankers do. Do you think it is a coincidence that the Fed funds the MIC with printed dollars and that the Saudis agreed in the '70's to keep oil pegged to the dollar? Stop name dropping and just say what you think. The name dropping suggests that you simply adopt the thoughts of others, which is kind of my point.
So come out and say it already. We all know it's true. Sure it took nearly 15 years for it to become obvious to everyone, but we all know it now.
What is obvious to me is that oligarchs have taken control over our media, government, and military. They want a breakdown of nations so they can rule absolutely, without the annoyance of nation states. The NWO concept is that those with all of the money will rule without regional national elections. To advocate for the elimination of governance by the people -- what you call statism -- is to throw them in the briar patch. The system is broken. The solution is not to hand the keys to the oligarchs.
Sorry to jump in here, as it seems you two are just about to start making out, but that doesn't make sense to me. The oligarchs already rule absolutely WITH regional national elections. It's a shell game and it works beautifully. How many times do conversations, even here on ZH, melt down to BLUE vs RED. LIB vs CON. Libertarian vs... everyone. A shallow veneer of democracy conceals the deep state and infantilizes the public; to remove it would only serve to expose the real power to scrutiny and, inevitably, to resistance. To defend the veneer is to defend TPTB. IMO.
If oligarchs have taken control of media, government and military you better check your pockets. They already done got your keys.
You are absolutely right in a rational world, except that oligarchs do not live in a rational world. They are not happy with the status quo of de facto control. Normal people who are worth $20M are really happy. These guys want $40M, then $1B, then $10B. Why do you need $10B when you already have $1B? What can't you do with $1B that you can do with ten? There is no rational answer, yet these guys exist. They also still have to worry about the People occasionally telling them no. They don't like the word "no."
Still doesn't explain why they would expose themselves. They're greedy, not stupid. They want to keep that 1bill. A pacified democratic people will let you walk out with 1bill. Heck, you can even convince them it was in their interest. For "the childrens". Retire, hit the lecture circuit and rub their noses in it.
Not to oversimplify, but you're debating about what a rational person would do. Bernanke is rational. He's on the circuit. The guys he works for think about the survivability of nuclear war and how many babes they can bag in the caverns. This is not hyperbole. I've seen several small time sociopaths blow up extremely lucrative lives in the name of moar. They are motivated by something we can only understand as one understands a Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy was a successful guy. He did some bad things that make no rational sense to anyone but him. He was not stupid. He killed a few people. Could have stopped and lived out his life successful and a murderer. Didn't.
K, thanks. I don't exactly agree, but I see where you're coming from.
I don't claim to have proof of this but everything makes sense when you think of Ted Bundy ruling the world. As one final point, these same guys have killed literally millions of people. They bomb weddings. They invade countries for oil and leave devastation in their wake. You obviously have a soul and therefore assume that they must have a good reason beyond personal avarice.
I don't think their reasons are good, just rational in the popular sense. For instance- imagine a world.... where resources are scarce, agencies are rogue, the environment is on the brink, institutions are crumbling and the populace has been infantilized by thousands of years of religo-politik. The experimental plane called "civilization" is going down. It's gonna be brutal. Telling the passengers isn't going to save anyone, the ensuing panic will actually exacerbate the situation. They might even kill the messenger! A rational person might do what they can to keep the plane airborne as long as possible, buy time and hope for the best- all while fashioning a golden parachute for themselves, naturally.
I would really like to have been a fly on the cave wall on Easter Island the week before they cut down the last tree. Surely someone knew it was the last tree, but at that point does it really matter? And do you want to be the one to point it out?
Just one scenario. We have imperfect information and purposely so. Writing TPTB off as psychos does seem too simplistic to me, but... it's more terrifying to think they could be acting "rationally".
anyway... gn and thanks for the conversation.
Sorry to jump in here, as it seems you two are just about to start making out,'
Been following the thread with interest as the participants wandered all over history, that cracked me up, big thumbs up.
Yeah, but the problem is that you are STILL a mouthpiece for government, its military, and the Shadowy Subhuman Creatures running it. It is you who is embracing an obsolete, 10,000 year old wealth redistribution scheme that is failing and unneeded. You are incapable of the mental leap necessary.
And anarchy ruled by oligarchy? Are you really that much of a dupe? Oligarchy IS government.
If I had to pick .gov paid trolls on ZH, you would be in the first ten.
Simple, then. Show me an example in the world throughout all of history of where your desired system 1) existed, and 2) worked. I have an example of governance by the People that worked pretty well. Not perfect, but pretty good. Pass to you.
If I was an Egptian citizen living in 6000 BC, and I turned to my neighbor and said, "Boy, John, this absolute monarchy thing we have going on, with the High Priests reading the sacred texts and magically divining who the Pharoah will be, seems a bit wrong to me. Shouldn't we instead have a government where the regular people elect someone to lead? We could call it a democracy, or a constitutional republic, or something."
And your neighbor John would turn to you and say, "Bob, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Show me an example throughout all of history where your desired system existed and worked. We are going to have a Phaorah for all time. Deal with it."
Bob the Egyptian would have been right about his proposal, but about 8,000 years ahead of his time.
LTER, you do realize that for most of human civilization (10,000+ years), monarchy and primogeniture has been THE dominant form of government on this planet? The Roman Republic and the Hellenic city states were just blips on a radar that is covered with Kings and Tsars and Kaisers and Sheiks. And even during the birth of democracy, Plato argued strongly against it, asserting that it was little more than mob rule, and that the best form of government was the Enlightened Philosopher King.
Only in the last one-hundred years have the vast majority of nation-states moved towards some system of what is known as liberal democracy. And that's only because some of the world's most powerful monarchies blundered their way into WWI and effectively committed suicide, paving the path for old guard to fall.
So just because someone might suggest that the next evolutionary step in human governance and organization is Randian minarchism or full-blown Rothbardian AnCap, don't use your appeal to prior example as the foundation of your argument. Just because something hasn't happened yet is not evidence that it never will. This is one of the most simplistic of canards leveled at libertarian thought in general, and does little to bolster your position.
Otherwise you're just John the Egyptian, declaring that the Pharoah will rule for all of time.
Except we're not in 6000 BC. If we were, you'd have a point. As it is, mankind has landed on the moon and tried a lot of different systems. Seems we always ended up being ruled by Pharoahs, except when we group together. But then again, I may find a unicorn tomorrow. Haven't seen one yet, but there's always that possibility.
I don't think where we are in history is particularly relevant. Even in your example, the pharoahs had been ruling ancient Egypt for THOUSANDS of years - far longer than any democracy has ever survived.
Anyway... the problem is... we always wind up being ruled by pharoahs, even when we do band together.
At least in a democracy, the elites have to throw the people a few more bones to keep them onside. Even if you're not immediately downstream from the elite, you're better off in an obfuscated oligarchic democracy than an outright oligarchy.
And as much as I dismiss Plato/Aristotle's solution - the benevolent Philosopher King - it seems the old idea of 'Kyklos' is confirmed by history and our understanding of human nature. Any egalitarian anarchy will either be taken over by predators banding together from within, or from without. As an individual it's almost impossible to prevail against the aggregate political mindset of your fellow citizens. You can only* protect yourself from the prevailing idiocies of the time, do the best for yourself, your family, and friends, and try to get by without harming anyone else, while they - in their ignorance - are passively enabling (or even actively supporting) a political system that is doing its best to suck you dry.
* all the time trying to change their minds through debate and engagement, of course... look at Ghandi, Martin Luther King, the Abolitionists, etc
That's really an asinine statement.
That's like saying show me an example when cancer or bacterial infections didn't exist.
In other words, show me a time when parasites didn't exist.
I support panarchism, which allows you and everyone else to choose their own form of governance, or none. Choice is the way to discover what works, not force - which you definitely favor. Or is that too much against your control freak nature?
Why aren't you supportive of that, afraid that it would show that your beloved government is the miserable failure that history shows it is?
In my youth I volunteered (when the draft had just ended) for the Marines.
I signed for the training, perhaps to see the world a bit, and to kill commies or whoever I was told to kill...absolute faith in my government and chain of command.
Wound up I didn't do shit, got injured out of boot and got an Honorable Discharge in short order. I still don't know what my MOS was other than Avionics.
I maintained that belief in our government and kept my eyes shut pretty much all my life, until 2008 when I watched them bail out the banks in spite of 'over-whelming'* disapproval from the public.
It's easy to be asleep, all that nasty stuff just sort of slides right off. It's when you're awakened by the icy drench of water down your back that you start to wonder how such a thing happened...and you start doing the research you should have been doing all along. That's me, that's my story.
But don't start taking shots at another military guy who's in the midst of learning what our 'government' really represents. It's a difficult journey and there's a lot of cherished ideas that are painfully hard to destroy.
Let the seeker seek.
* as my 'Representative' admitted at a later town hall, though he voted for approval.
2008 bailout was an eye opener for many taxpayers... congrats
There is much more awakening to be had before we can all make a change.
99.99% of Saudis are wonderful people Rand, who just want to raise their families and do the best they can for their children Rand, including the ones on planes, you get good and bad buggers in all countries including the US...although they do tend to get attracted by all that power in Government.
Yeah, luckily noone else around here subscribes to simple worldviews
How am I the one with the simple worldview if I am the one that is the demon because I admit I have made mistakes in my life?
That I should be the morality criminal for being human, and understanding that people make mistakes and later have to live with them?
I'm not sure how that qualifies as a simple world view. If anything the guy that thinks there is only one nation of good and many nations of bad is the simple one. I don't think in terms of nations, when nations are a fallacy from the get go. It's individual people that matter.
You didn't catch my sarcasm it seems.
From my point of view LTER also has pretty simple worldviews on some things, but (as a true CogDis should be) I am aware that others mights subscribe the same opinion towards me, and maybe with good reason - there is after all a difference between simple worldviews (good, stripped out obfuscating unnecessary complexity!) and simplistic ones (overdid it and stripped out necessary distinctions as well!)
But then a calm discussion (not a defense of ideological beliefs) should commence on which complexities are necessary on a certain topic, not name calling.
You support an entity, government, that was responsible for about 400,000,000 deaths in the 20th century, and you don't show any remorse.
People get deprogrammed from the Cult of the Omnipotent State in many different ways, maybe you could learn one from NidiStyles.
Black and White guy? careful Rand, in today's world you could be called a racist...twice.
When the music stops, it's gonna hurt.
The music has stopped. What you are hearing now are echoes throughout the hallowed halls and majestic canyons of this once upon a time mighty nation.
Only the intro finished, and
now
the fat lady is singing.
Unlike you oh great one, I was not born as an all knowing douchebag. :-)
And we all used to think the Internet was going to be a great boon to mankind. Democratizing everything in it's wake.
The Internet might have turned out to be the greatest theatre for control and manipulation mankind has ever devised. The veneer of inclusion, backed by the reality of immense, omnipresent control.
No offense to the Tylers, but most of the internet has all the charm of a 1970s Philadelphia bus depot.
I admire your colorful metaphors, but do not think that you would be saying something so vocally had the Internet not been invented.
Nationalism is the world's most popular religion.
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein.
Old Al never saw himself one of them there NWOs. Nationalism is far better.
I'd prefer neither. Nationalism or global governance is a false bifurcation.
Replace nation-states with what...corporate-states? I guess some will enjoy being citizens of the House of Exxon or the House of DuPont.
ROLLERBALL-1975
All we need is honor and integrity, and the rest will fall into place. Oh....and a nice 12 gauge for those who have neither.
It may not believe in nations however, it knows precisely how to wield the tool known as nationalizm.
"The exlax has been taken. The fan is oiled and ready to go."
You might have a good point with your graphic description. There was never any consistency implied in SHTF. I personally always assumed it was going to be the consistency of road apples. Perhaps not.
I really don't know why people are saying the dollar will be dead by Chincom holding of US treasury. It's BS. Congress can simply write a law forbidding transaction with the enemies and will only redeem Treasury holding by friendly nation or those originating from friendly nations. And puff, Chincom and Russia holding of US treasury are worthless over night, while still preserving the value of remaining Treasury.
Anyhow this is getting interesting. US is just waiting to the shooting to start in South China Sea. False flag 3..2..1..
Chincom will regret this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04
Instant war status and drop in trade with the US overnight. Doesn't matter how you word it, the collapse is upon us.
China doesn't care if they are at war with the US, the US can not reach them without OIL, and the US can not get OIL if it's USD is not being accepted.
That's where Vietnam comes in. All you need is to deliver weapons.
The pollution in China and all the shit they eat must be making them stupid.
Anyhow, jobs are going to be coming back to Detroit soon. Just my feeling.
It's not that easy, there is not enough energy to fuel a war of that scale anymore. The invasion of Iraq pretty much dried up the local resources the US would have been able to pull from in an emergency. The US Gov itself is essentially being cut off from acting outside of it's borders.
Fuel rationing in the US would solve that problem. How many people are driving around pointlessly? There is more than enough fuel produced by the US to supply a major war effort if you don't mind a drop in economic activity (aka worthless consumption) by the civilian population.
Driving around pointlessly with you tinfoil hat on is the only way you can stop them getting to you.
The guys wearing shiny hats will be the first against the wall. You better get some seriously tinted windows for your ride, amigo.
Right because after making one of your largest creditor's holdings worthless, the creditworthiness of the remaining (infinitely available) paper can only go up.
Dollar be dead by fall... LOL... yeah those treasury bonds are really cratering!!! I think most ZH posters will be BROKE by this fall, if they aren't already.
just like most of the "West" you appear to have the attention span of a gnat. think in longer terms, the direction is very clear. timing this is a fools errand, i agree but inevitability is almost impossible to avert.
This report may be a little misleading. It doesn't say how many are government attacks. A lot of those could be from guy living in his moms basement. Just because the IP is in the US doesn't mean it's our government. Probably is, but not certain.
China knew that when they released it. Do you think the US government will say "Well these were us, but those weren't!" They'll deny them all outright and the shitflinging will continue.
Why not? The best way to distract the population from the idiocy of our so-called leaders is to rally the people under a war cry.
Bullish!
So when is Keith Alexander and Clapper going to be indicted in a Chinese court?
i thought the same when watching the Politburo in DC speak to the press today. fucking hypocrites...everywhere. we're all surrounded by them
we, all countries, need to stop fucking with people
Uhh, duhh
The Chinese ought not forget to include their boss, Obama, in any indictment. Other countries will follow.
No need to worry.. Belgium has our back!
Chinese government opposes any kinds of cyber crimes, and any groundless accusations against the country.
That spokesperson should have shut his mouth before spouting that one off.
That is like claiming water ain't wet.
"China Publishes Data Claiming US Is World's Largest Cyber Attacker"
duh
Ya, like I believe a fkn word that comes out of Jay Carney's mouth. POS.
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That is free entertainment. I have never understood people who go to movie theaters to get fun. That is better than any hollywood comical line.
They don't engage in it, rogue agents that they will deny any involvement with if they are discovered might engage in it though.
I only need to mention Snowden's name to make that point. :-)
People go to the theatre to escape reality.
and instead get a dose of Tavistock conditioning mixed with CFR member Clooney et al's conditioning
Kinda like escaping into TPTB's preferred reality zone. Twisted.
The theater of the absurd we witness daily makes all other entertainment seem trite and boring.
Ho Lee Fuk!
Not only does the U.S. spy on its own citizens and everyone else, they sold out us citizens out to China.
So now China has money and manufacturing to grow their military and spy but the DOJ is "shocked".
Holder does a press conference with mug shots of Chinese PLA officers but Jon Corzine is missing?
All a game. At some point consumption in the US leveled off based on wages. At that point the only way to increase profit margins was to shift overseas and make margins based on the lower real costs of production.
Profits = total revenues - total costs.
The simple equation that lead to the death of the American Middle Class.
Xi, get with it cockboy, sign on Vlads dotted line. LETS get the real party started once and for all. Enough of this redschield ponzi shit already.
American hackers tarding up the cyber air waves, what else is new?
But Jay Carney said earlier that "the US does not engage in economic espionage."
Jay is absolutely correct, when you are collecting information in accordance with the law to prevent copyright infringement, Fraud and to prevent terrorism then it is not economic espionage, if you have the paperwork that says its legal it is fine, the NSA has, Obama has signed of on it so it is difficult to see what the Chinese are getting upset about, it is for their own good.
The Chinese don't seem to realize this, perhaps they need some paperwork of their own.
You know it is true when a .gov mouthpiece categorically denies it.
Lets just flood the world with debt and currency and then do everything we possibly can to make the world see America as a big fat turd. I would rather be seen as a bully than a fraud and without principles.
And the political circus continues.. Frequenting ZH is like being in the nosebleed seats.
Actually more like being in the ringside seats.
If the USA was the #1 cyber hacker it would have to be fired
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data is most valuable bitchez
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Ive seen computers with cryptowall recently that turns files into hash for bitcoins or some shit, hackers destroying folders of data for $500 bitcoin transfers. Or thats if the hackers have tech support for the morons that E-credit their ass for UNICODE stream help
One word:
Stuxnet.
Well, if some 20 year old Assad supporter in Syria managed to get into the water control system in Detroit, or where ever it was, a Chinese state hacker could likely hit important infrastructure in minutes.
Maybe thats what the U.S. wants? To play victim/distract the world from Prism/Snowdens leaks? Doesn't seem to be working too well.
The fact the DOJ even "indicted" them is LOL in the first place.
The corporations can't like this shit for sure; they need that cheap labor! Plus, Apple is making shit that is sold in the US in CHINESE factories....you don't think that Mrs. Panda wouldn't wanna take a look inside?
Holder should of put this one in the shredder (the "investigation" was in place well before the Snowden/NSA stuff came out, making it even more LOL) and go after real criminals, like Dimon or Geithner.
US doesnt participate in economic espionage?? Does anyone believe this total lying bullshit? The economic world is sinking because of the inmates running the printing press asyllum and exports huge inflation...
The US would never spy on other nations simply to better our economy any more than we would spy on the average American.
Yes we can.
wow, nice! big thumbs up, well put.
This article is a - "well, duh".
Do as we say not the fuck as we do.
Ho Ree Shit
It seems we did not indict foreign military officers as spies in the good old days. More behind the scenes diplomacy, not calling anyone out, especially if you happen to be the biggest hypocrite on the block.
I thought Obama was supposed to be the international man of peace and diplomacy now that he has more flexibility.
My sense is this is more of the world powers dividing up and picking sides. It is starting you get a little chippy.
The gas deal is done.
How ironic if we start sending and to Vietnam.
"I thought Obama was supposed to be the international man of peace and diplomacy now that he has more flexibility."
Do you have a Nobel?
whoever smelt it delt it. whoever denied it supplied it.
everyone is hacking everyone. and everyone knows it. and everyone doesn't care.
FARTS AWAY!
Let me predict what will happen next. Philippine will say more shit and do more shit to provoke China. Same thing as the Japanese side.
Vietnam will fight China, of course with American mercenary involved. It will be just some artillery shots and small arm fires.
Russia will send a couple of ships in the south China sea. Just to show support for the Chinese.
US will kick/arrest some more Chinese in the States, with whatever reasons.
China will dump a good chunk of the bonds.
Japan will shoot down a plane or sink a fisherman boat.
Russia will send military planes around teh Japan islands.
Nice prediction, agree on everything except, China dumping Bonds, business is business and China needs the US to buy its plastic crap just as much as the US needs China to finance the purchase of the plastic crap.
"Claiming"? Why claim it, when full evidence exists to show that the USA, via the NSA, CIA, Military Intelligence, State department spies and a wide varity of super spies operating from every department of government, spies on every human and every activity that it is possible to spy on. The NSA spends over 10 billion a year just to collect every bit of electronic data on innocent American citizens whose only crime is being born American, and thus suspected of possible lack of loyalty to government and corporate power. Government now assumes your guilt and must, for national security, spy on your every thought and deed.
The Bankers, the Corporate CEO's, the high ranking Military officers and the spy chiefs need daily evidence to ensure that you do not waver in your loyalty to the Republican party and the Democratic party, the two arms of the elite rulers who use government power to enforce wealth transfer into their pockets, while strip mining the 99% for every scrap of wealth they can produce.
This is Orwell's 1984 on steroids. Even he did not think Government could or would carry out total global spying on all human life forms, with the excuse that we are all potential terrorists. If you question banker's power to control government and own the federal Reserve, you are talking terrorist talk.
Remember, all this spying is for the common good, and remember too, "if you have done nothing wrong, you should welcome government spying to confirm your loyalty".
"Only the truely guilty would show concern over total government spy coverage". The Innocent patriots love the chance to prove to their beloved government that THEY are patriots of the highest order. Always loyal to the banks, to crony corporate CEO's, to the military industrial spy comlplex and to AIPAC and it's plans.
Remember, patriots like Ms. CLinton and Ms Nuland deserve your loyalty and respect. Ms Clinton may even be your president, and Ms. Nuland would be her secretary of state most likely.
doubleplusgood
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
You forgot WAR IS PEACE and FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
Equally important statements plastered on US governments's Ministry of Truth.
Miffed;-)
Fuck that, fuck them.
Kinda outed myself, didn't I?
Already seeing the "I'm read for Hillary" bumper stickers surfacing here in Los Angeles. Saw a car on the freeway with one just yesterday in bumper to bumper traffic....the driver was female with full arm sleeve tattoos and bright colored hair.
What do you even say at this point? I just kept on driving past laughing to myself inside.
Helll on earth doesn't even describe it, what we are seeing now is the fucking halftime show.
who cares.
I still choose the US over the Chinese communists.
Reflexively, I might also. BUT, we dont yet know what motives the man guiding the US puppets has. Red China seeks a modified Communist vision. There is only murky darkness to define the fascist vision for Amerika.
I'm locked and cocked either way, first tyranny tank down my block gets some free cocktails and perhaps their head on a stick.
First rule of international politics: Never Pee into a gale force wind.
I don't know where the truth lies and I don't even know how to find out.
I tend to take a techno-geek view of the matter, that the workstations, servers, and network all have to be strengthened against abuse.
My vague impression was that there were more "independent" Russian hackers than anything else, with the middle east making a surprisingly strong showing in many respects.
define irony
"China" and "data" in the same sentence? LOL
They are probably right, but they better come up with something more substantial. Where's Snowden?
There's AI and a New Real Great Game in Town and Active Play Theatres .... and the Old Establishment Guards of Select and Subjective Private and Pirated Renegade Executive Systems of Secretive Administration are No Match and have No Zeroday Vulnerability Patch or Hatch and Backdoor into ....... well, in the Changed Circumstances which have replaced the Vain Presidential Hope that was Globally Promised but Failed so Catastrophically to Universally Deliver Anything but Further Grief and Chaos, Madness and Mayhem, are you ready to believe, and believe in the Power of ITs Command and Control of Media and Communications with Computers and Virtual Machines on Novel and Noble AI Missions in the Live Operational Virtual Environment Space Place with Global Operating Devices ...... which in Virtual Reality Fields of Greater IntelAIgent Gameplays are Influential Operating Spheres of Extreme Stealth in Perverse Wealth and Vice Versa, to name and identify but two variations available on the Meme Theme from the Sublime Catalogue of Infinite Riches and Supreme Prizes ....... for that is what you are receiving.
I Kid U Not.
Have a Nice Day, Y'All.
Oh, and if the markets, which incidentally are only a loose network of conspiring human brokers, cannot accurately price and hedge that risk across the boards, will the Present System of Systems with IT Rigs in the Systems and their Admins, collapse like a ponzi in on themselves in a flash crash and with the flight of electronic cash to new territories and SMARTR IntelAIgent Systems with Virtually Protected Administrations?!.
It is not the US. It is those dumb fuck "intelligence agencies" that are boondoggling the even dumber fuckering politicians. Basically the globalists that have taken over Washington D.C. have 7 billion people in the world pissed off at them. Anyhow they are so fucking stupid they are weaponizing the people that hate them so there is no need to worry about it.
Lean Forward is the new Bend Over
Perhaps the US is the world's largest cyber counter-attacker.
I'm shocked! Shocked! Say it isn't so.
I got this on my compu yesterday..
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