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China Responds To "Ridiculous" Hacking Charges, Warns "Will Harm Relations With US", Demands US "Rectify Mistake"
While we wait (in vain) for the US to lob sanctions at China for doing what Russia has done and amass a military presence on its border with Vietnam, here is what China had to say about the earlier announcement by the DOJ charging China with espionage and "penetrating" US companies (if having nothing to add regarding the NSA). From the wires:
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYS CHARGES HARM RELATIONS WITH U.S.
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYS CHINA HAS ALREADY PROTESTED TO U.S., URGES U.S. TO IMMEDIATELY RECTIFY MISTAKE
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY ‘STRONGLY REFUTES’ U.S. CHARGES
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYS U.S. MADE UP FACTS IN SPYING CASE
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY URGES U.S. TO `CORRECT ITS MISTAKES'
- CHINA SAYS U.S. VIOLATES BASIC PRINCIPLES OF INTL RELATIONSHIPS
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY CALLS CHARGES `BASELESS,' `RIDICULOUS'
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY URGES U.S. TO `WITHDRAW CHARGES'
And the enigmatic:
- CHINA TO MAKE FURTHER RESPONSES ACCORDING TO DEVELOPMENTS
Full Statement from China's Foreign Ministry:
May 19, Foreign Ministry Spokesman Qin Gang's Remarks on the US Justice Department announced the indictment of five Chinese military officer, expressed their conversation follows:
May 19, the United States fabricated Facts, the so-called Network Theft grounds stands in five Chinese officers to the Move Announced a serious violation of the Basic Norms of international relations, Damage Sino-U.S. Cooperation and Mutual Trust. China has protested to the United States for the first time, urged the US side to correct the error immediately revoke the so-called prosecution.
Chinese Government's stance on the Network Security issue is consistent and Clear. China is a staunch defenders of Network Security, the Chinese Government and Military and associated Personnel never Engaged in Theft of Trade secrets or Participate in activities through the Network. Chinese Officials accused the United States on a purely fictitious, extremely absurd.
For a long time, the U.S. departments of foreign dignitaries, corporate, personal conduct large-scale, organized theft and network monitoring, control activities, this is obvious. China is the U.S. theft and monitor network, victims of serious monitoring. According to a lot of information publicly disclosed, the relevant U.S. agencies have been spying on the Chinese government departments, agencies, businesses, universities, individuals and network intrusion monitoring, surveillance. China thereon repeatedly made solemn representations to the U.S. side. Once again, we strongly urge the U.S. side to make a clear explanation, immediately stop such activities.
Given the United States for cooperation to solve network security problems through dialogue lack of sincerity, China has decided to suspend the activities of Sino-US Network Working Group. China will develop according to the situation, the prosecution called on the U.S. to further reaction.
Because if there was anything China needed in the week in which it is finalizing its "holy grail" gas deal with Russia, is more anatagonism from the Obama administration.
And now watch as Cisco guides to a far lower sales number for Q2 on what John Chmabers can only describe as a sudden "air pocket" in Chinese demand for its routers.
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Sanctions against China?
What will Toy r Us, Home Depot, and Walmart sell?
Where do iPhones and TV's come from?
Does washington have anything but idiots?
It's more textbook American Exceptionalism: This spying/espionage shit is absolutely horrible — except when America does it.
Hahahaha white boys, we arready audit the Fed for you. Thanks for discount. ror
Obama and Holder trying to make some political hay...,
and nothing more (or new).
Come on people. Think a little bit. This is a part of the grand chess game. Sanction against these little Chinese peons will be the first step. China talked of having the yuan as the reserve currency yesterday? THink again. There will be war and more war before you can say yuan.
BTW, Obama and Holder don't do jack. They do what they're told. Since when did Holder prosecute anyone?
War it is.
And suspending all ties with the west? From Where will Chincom steal their technology then?
This is a job for Jack Wang and Candy Goo.
Wang the Dong did it.
Does this mean the USSA will start manufacturing things other than weapons?
What else would we expect from the most hypocritical organisation on the planet, the US government.
Why is it that every single person in the geopolitical arena is starting to sound like Bagdad Bob? ("The peace loving peoples of Irag," and all that.)
Watch CISCO's last few contracts with the Middle Kingdom go belly up.
[not to mention apple, ge, and thousands of other corporations]
I suspect corps are putting lots of pressure on Barry to stay out of this one.
Notice how they presented no evidence these guys were guilty.
Please grow up and drop the Chinese steals our technology crap.
Virtually every country steals technology, including the US.
Bingo! We have a winner. I would have given you 10 up
Agree. Just a political dog-and-pony show to impress the sheeple: "See y'all, the NSA really does protect the people of the USA!"
These political comedy acts are getting rather old.
Funny how the techniques this administration uses which play so well in the MSM in our own country are quickly called out as bullshit when tried against other sovereign nations.
It's not funny that Americans are idiots - it's sad.
It's just like terrorism. It's not okay when someone straps a bomb to themselves or uses airplanes to ram them into buildings but it is okay to use drones to bomb people.
You're right, chinoslims. According to the Republican Faux News, the former is a "homocide bomber" and the ladder is a "drone strike". We need to ramp up the "drone strikes" inspire more "homocide bombers" to justify the high taxes and all the people on the government payroll.
You're missing the point that there actually may be a distinction bewtween spying for diplomatic reasons vs spying to steal trade secrets.
"Trade secrets"
Are those the things that Western CEOs plan on hoarding to remain powerful after they've finished selling out everyone beneath them? Hate to be a bearer of bad news, but that isn't going to work.
In the past, there was a distinction — but now it's a distinction without a difference. Uncle Sam may have had a point if he hadn't already been caught using the NSA to spy on foreign companies like Petrobras. And since the merger between corporation and state in this country is an open secret...
I think you can figure out the rest.
Even fucking Canada is spying on Brazilian corporations.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/more-disclosures-about-canadas...
How in the fuck is the USA pissed about this China spying thing? I mean (if it is true) it is only meant for mass consumption by the general population that pays no attention to the fact that every Government on planet earth is doing this and has been doing this for quite some time.
This is clearly trolling. I mean really. The US is the biggest troll out there.
10,000 navy types working hard for Uncle Sam.
There are very, very many smart people in Washington. They are so smart that they are making money hand over fist and you and I are paying for it. The trade off is that they actaully make this money no matter how the economy goes.
I didn't say they are good honest citizens, just very smart.
I'm not sure causing a Mad Max society is smart. Short term, they win. Long term, everyone loses.
They don't care, they think they won't be here anymore by then. Tey are hedonist self centered opaths.
this is Obama plan to Fix the Debt - they willl get judgments for Trillions and offset the dollar account
then do the same for polution form Fukishima and nail the Japs for $5 trillion and then then others for anything
rhetorical?
washington idiots.....inverse oxymoron?
Antioxymoron?
Unfortunately the few who aren't idiots in washington seems hell bent on starting ww3, one litte game theory based step at a time. Who is so sick that they want this to happen... It should never be allowed to happen. These people must be removed.
Unfortunately the few who aren't idiots in washington seems hell bent on starting ww3, one litte game theory based step at a time. Who is so sick that they want this to happen... It should never be allowed to happen. These people must be removed.
Haven't you heard? There is a shale oil revolution and a manufacturing renaissance going on in the U.S.
Lots of "Ruh Rhoos" today....lol
John Williams on Greg Hunter....hyperinflation imminent...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrHpcigR_xg&list=UUG-G8LLr38fQUNZU8K0t-EA
I wonder how much of the money the Chinese pay for Russian gas will come from sales of their US Bonds?
Don't worry, Belgium will buy them.
Maybe this is why China is suddenly so pissed? China: "We are going to sell all your Bonds" USA: "Yawn! Belgium will buy them."
There's always a bigger fool. Where is Belgium getting all this cash? Couldn't be laundering Secret Quantitative Easing from the Fed? SQE I
There's always a bigger fool. Where is Belgium getting all this cash? Couldn't be laundering Secret Quantitative Easing from the Fed? SQE I
More "good cop/bad cop" horseshit?
China and 'merica have been on the same page since 1971.
A world that works for Chinese wages is a corporatists' wet dream.
Look, a spike in equities just as the Fed started buying. I am shocked, just shocked I tell you...
I disagree to a certain extent. China and America have been on the same page since Nixon, but I sense there is a change in the air. It seems that alliances are being shaken up, especially since the world no longer needs the U.S bullying it around.
Perhaps, but don't think for one second that having the Chinese "bully people around" is less likely or will be any better.
You ever play "king of the mountain"? There are several "bullys" waiting in the wings Doc.
True, but all abusive relationships end. Either by splitting up, or one of the parties killing the other.
Like grade schoolers bickering on the playground at recess....how long till the 'Yo mama so....' jokes start from the so-called U.S. American leaders?
Yo mama is so fat, the back of her neck looks like a pack of hotdogs.
Yo mama so fat, she uses Mexico as a tanning bed....the WHOLE country!!
YMSF, make Wookie look like Twiggy.
This is no joke...they are going to put pee pee in our Coke!!!
So Coke Low-pH then...
Makes the Oracle of Omahas high fructose corn syrup taste like, "the real thing" cane sugar!
Obama's pushing US citizens real hard and now he's pushing Russian & China. He's a Bill Ayers radical looking for chaos. My guess is he's positioning himself for a third term.
Agreed. He has no clue what's really happening in the world..., but he's gonna try to make it an advantage for him.
The DOJ committed espionage against the United States of America. When I read articles like this it makes me think Holder needs the Chinese to pay him more money if they expect to get the information he has.
q99x2 The DOJ committed espionage against the United States of America. When I read articles like this it makes me think Holder needs the Chinese to pay him more money if they expect to get the information he has.
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The Chinese probably have more information then holder.
"We are at war with Eastasia. We've always been at war with Eastasia ...
Its theory until agovernment officially denies it...
From watching Top Gear (uk) when they went to china the fucking chinese were copy catting everything, so while I have no love for Eric Fuckface, everyone in the world (read europe, s.a. m.e.) knows the chinese steal everything...
For the country that invented Stuxnext and imposed it massively in a surprise attack and then told the world glibly :
"yes we scan and its global and indefinite", its adding insult to injury.
So does anyone really think this will stop any trade agreement between Russia and China? Didn't think so.
Shouldn't be able to steal our IP. But it's gone untouched by the US way too long. It's like letting a child grow up hitting people, then one day when the are 30 you try to disipline them. Not a fucking chance that will happen.
How DARE you Chinese spy! Don't you know it's only U.S. America gubment that can spy and do whatever the hell else we feel like around the world?
We should have import tariffs, not sanctions. While it can be disputed (secretly or overtly) that China has a "spy" program, it is indisputable that it has a slave labor force, lower than American work conditions and pollutes the air and water as maybe no other country does. Under WTO rules, China is not a trading partner that shares our values and in doing so achieves parasitic competitive advantages. Tariff the imports.
This is a beneficial act has leveraged payback. Factories and their jobs will return to America.
And end Western World "global warming" tax talk. Tariffs achieve the same purpose but directly address the problem.
Globalists have led us astray. WTO never gave rights to China for unfettered trade, Clinton, Bush II and Obama have wrongfully conducted international trade talks.
This is what happens when CHINA - RUSSIA - IRAN along with several other nations such as ISRAEL, INDIA, KOREA and UAE etc, most notably excluding JAPAN arrange a ANTI US meeting...that includes UN.
http://qz.com/210796/china-russia-and-iran-are-having-a-friendly-get-tog...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-05/18/c_133342728.htm
Looks like the cabal is fast tracking killing the dollar and blaming it on Russia and China. I thought it would be 2015, but it looks like they've kicked it up a notch. I expect another lunge at Syria soon.
Team America - The World Police - manages to piss off the Entire World!
Fuck Yeah!
Time for Chinese sanctions against the USSA. Dumping treasuries will do just fine.
Wow, looks like they're already fast tracking that as the 10 yr shits the bed!
Never fear, Belgium is here! Brussels Man to save the world.
Not to worry. Belgium wants MOAR
The world is emboldend by the impotence of that little fuck in DC.
All of you fucking asshats sit here and jerk off to your anti-American pandering. What, you all think China is the lesser of two evils here? Wake the fuck up.
Sit down and STFU. The adults are laughing.
"All of you fucking asshats sit here and jerk off to your anti-American pandering. What, you all think China is the lesser of two evils here?"
Lets see: China hacks in and steals trade secrets from moronic companies who neglect basic cryptosecurity and store that information in a vulnerable location, literally begging someone to steal it
America's NSA spies on the entire free world, obtaining information on people from presidents of european countries to street sweepers in zimbabwe. God knows how much trade info they have on companies like china bank, samsung, changkong, china telecom, china unicom, baidu and others. Then, they spy on you and i.
You were mentioning something about the lesser of two evils here?
If you wish your world to consist of perpetual choice of "lesser of two evils", then go fuck yourself and die.
Indeed, what a loser.
I have no doubt but that China is stealing trade secrets and other struff. What astounds me is that the trade secrets of those companies are electronically stealable. Have they been living in a tree?
Perhaps the Chinese have been using the NSA's back doors?
America has it coming. This country could mind fuck everyone else for only so long. Think law of thermodynamics or arbitrage. Power, like temperature, or, like a huge price disparity from multiple markets that needs to be evened out, will eventually be increased with one participant and decreased with another until its spread out evenly. Its an unavoidable eventuality. In the end, all power will be evenly distrubuted, as in nobody will have power. Why? Because we will all be fucking dead.
Won't be a surprise if suddenly Kim Jong-un starts building better nuclear weapons. China has had a strategy to proliferate nuclear weapons for decades now:
China in about 1982, under Deng Xiaoping, decided to proliferate nuclear technology to communists and Muslims in the third world. They did so deliberately with the theory that if nukes ended up going off in the western world from a Muslim terrorist, well that wasn't all bad. If New York was reduced to rubble without Chinese fingerprints on the attack, that left Beijing as the last man standing. That's what the old timers thought.
The current Chinese government is far more cautious, though it continued to push technology to North Korea. When the North Koreans decided to test, they clearly did so without a Chinese permit and it really frosted the Chinese because it threatened to prompt Japan and South Korea to start their own programs
Pakistan can be explained by a balance of power: India was China's enemy and Pakistan was India's enemy. The Chinese did a massive training of Pakistani scientists, (just like the Russians had done for them) brought them to China for lectures, even gave them the design of the CHIC-4 device, which was a weapon that was easy to build a model for export. There is evidence that A.Q. Khan used Chinese designs in his nuclear designs. Notes from those lectures later turned up in Libya, for instance. And the Chinese did similar things for the Saudis, North Koreans, and the Algerians.
http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2009/01/02/why-china-helped-co...
Is China getting a little more frosty with the NK regime?
China has drawn up detailed contingency plans for the collapse of the North Korean government, suggesting that Beijing has little faith in the longevity of Kim Jong-un’s regime.
Documents drawn up by planners from China’s People’s Liberation Army that were leaked to Japanese media include proposals for detaining key North Korean leaders and the creation of refugee camps on the Chinese side of the frontier in the event of an outbreak of civil unrest in the secretive state......
The release of the study comes just days after Beijing issued a thinly veiled warning to Pyongyang, ahead of a fourth anticipated nuclear test, that China would “by no means allow war or chaos to occur on our doorstep.”
China, which is North Korea’s sole remaining significant supporter, also refused to export any crude oil over its border to the North in the first three months of the year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10808719/China...
John Chambers didn't explain that China has already hacked Cisco's IT system and now has cloned everything being marketed and nearly all of what has been developed and is ready to be introduced. Game over.
LOL
There must be something really bad going on elsewhere for the DOJ to be pulling this one out of the closet.
Cattle rustling...
The funnier story is China's every expanding productivity, but China's vendors aren't paying them.
Yet another form of slavery.
Go China Go!!!! Europe and the US love you.
Is the Obozo Administration just this stupid?
Several commenters at ZH have said that the banksters, using their pol and crat puppets, may actually be trying to provoke the east so as to have a ready made excuse to blame the coming collapse on.
I disagreed.
I now disagree much less.
"I can't be wrong because I'm always right."
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WOW!!!
If the offer to put Huawei on the GSA schedule to sell their routing and switching gear 9 years ago to the Federal Government wasn't enough of a contradiction in our government's efforts to protect our vital military and "national strategic infrastructure and security interests", the flood of Chinese and Indian workers after 9/11 only raises the most obvious questions even more how we can be in a "declared state of emergency"?...
But hey when you have Eli Gelman, and Tamar Rapaport-Dagim's, Corporation' AMDOCS as the sole accounting software to AT&T, Verizon and Qwest how secure and "vital" can the protections to your network infrastructure possibly be?...
Maybe Jonathan Pollard will be working for AT&T when he officially receives his "get out of jail free" card?...
Some additional "color" on the indictments: http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/05/19/us-indicts-chinese-hackers-for-stea...
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In fact, much of the charged activity involves stealing information about trade disputes — the same thing NSA engages in all the time.
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What happened to to big to prosecute?
Okay let me get this straight- the US Government is gong to charge Chinese Officials with cyber spying; but when the US government spies on US Citizens no US Government Officials are charged or held responsible, and the US Attorney General has been held in contempt of Congress and US Military Veterans are dieing waiting for health care...
Okay, that is what I thought, it just took me a minute there...Nothing to see here move along...
This story is analogous to the college professor(us spys) screaming at his best student(chinese spys) in the class for not getting an "A" on his exam.
I think what the U.S. is really saying to China is, "It's ok if you guys spy on us, but please don't be so obvious about it because you're really cramping our style."
No mention of the "social" spy ring that was rolled up last week in CHina from an "unnamed" country.
"China today claimed to have cracked a major spy-ring by an unnamed country involving about 40 people and jailed a man for 10 years for disclosing military secrets, including documents and photographs of equipment, to a foreign intelligence agency."
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/china-claims-cracki...
Or that Russian "Fbooker" who just fled ther country and taking up exile in....
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/russian-facebook-founder-flee...
The US is pissed. They can't impose sanctions on China like they tried on Russia because sanctions on China would ensue into a trade war there by sinking the US economy along with the bloated dollar financial system.
Looks like Dong and company has the US by the balls...
The US is run by jackass clowns. By being a nuclear state, this is a threat to the whole world.
Hussein Obimbo seems to have a little phantasy, concerning the foreign policies.
Embargo on Russia. so far backfired....
Embargo on China. is going to backfire, just recall the 1.2 trillion of treauries, sitting in China.
Probably they switched off his teleprompter.
It is not as if everyone does not know that the US government is lying. as usual. It is nice that the Chinese are confirming it, but they really do not have to. The people know. The corrupt and worthless US government have completely lost their credibility and the only thing they have to control the people is a bunch of paid thugs with guns... or so they would like us to believe.
The West is setting the house on fire. Might get some insurance money instead of bankruptcy.
Incredulity and laughter aside, it is pleasing to see the result of the US government's loss of moral authority. They are reduced to sounding bad North Korean broadcast.
What? You say China was not spying on us, but rather the US spying on China. Darn, must have got our AC/DC currents mixed up out there in Utah.
I often wondered why the Bible's book of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Revelation have no mention of the USA in its end time scenerio. Gog, Magog and Tarshish have been clearly determined to be; Russia, China and Iran...Ok, this makes sense (current major players) - But, NO USA. We being the military/economic super power of the world, gets absolutely no mention whatsoever.
Look at our current condition. Our leaders, our populace, our education and banking system...And ask yourself if YOU BELIEVE we are in any shape to deal with an aggressive world war.
We will get taken out quickly. But none of us will be here for me to say "I told you so".
So hard to pick a side here. Red China versus fascist USSA. Both spy extensively, both on foreign goverments as well as their citizens. Both lie regularly to the world. China seems more productive, but also more polluted. . .
I just cant pick a side.
China's bullshit threshold has been exceeded. This was probably not the DOJ's best idea.
Fortunately the US does absolutely no spying, collection of all information is quite legal, they have the paper work to prove it, the problem China has is that it has not made the collection of information worldwide for anti terrorist reasons legal, if it did then it could claim that it does absolutely no spying what so ever, that commercial information is collected to prevent copyright infringement and to protect people from terrorism and fraud.
There all fixed.
There is an interesting trend over the last few years, or maybe it's always been so and I just didn't notice, where the US accuses someone else for what they are doing. Currency manipulation in China. Cyberspying. Regime change. It's a long list.