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Dramatic Aerial Video Of Worst Ever Balkan Flooding

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Wondering what Eastern Europe will blame its economic weakness on? No, not sanctions... but perhaps the second coming of Noah might slow things down a little. The overall death toll in the worst flooding in the Balkans has risen to at least 47 people. The images have to be seen to be believed.

AFP has the details:

Bosnia said Monday it was witnessing "the biggest exodus" since the 1990s war after the worst floods in a century inundated huge swathes of the Balkans, killing at least 47 people.

Muddy waters from the Sava River have submerged houses, churches, mosques and roads in Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia after record rainfall last week wreaked havoc across the region.

There were fears that dead bodies and animal carcasses could lead to disease outbreaks, while officials warned that 120,000 unexploded mines from the conflicts of the 1990s could be dislodged.

"More than 100,000 people" have been evacuated in Bosnia alone, said Stanko Sliskovic of Bosnia's emergency services, with tens of thousands more displaced in neighbouring countries.

"This is the biggest exodus since the end of the 1992-1995 war," he told AFP.

Dozens of towns and villages have been cut off and over 2,000 landslides already reported, with water levels expected to continue rising in the coming days.

In Kosova, a hamlet between the northwestern Bosnian towns of Doboj and Maglaj which was badly hit by flooding, people's homes were almost visibly moving as the loose terrain shifted.

Around 20 homes "have slid down 30 metres (yards) since yesterday. They will not exist tomorrow," a rescue worker said.

Bosnian Foreign Minister Zlatko Lagumdzija said more than a quarter of the country's population of 3.8 million "has been affected by the floods" after the heaviest rainfalls on record began last week.

"Right now, more than one million people have no water," he said.

In Serbia, some 600,000 of its 7.2 million inhabitants were affected by "severe floods following the heaviest rains the Balkans have witnessed in 120 years," the UN's World Food Programme said in a statement.

"This is Armageddon, I can't describe it otherwise," Nedeljko Brankovic told AFP from Krupanj, a town in the southwestern Serbia. "Houses are literally washed away and landslides are everywhere."

The death toll from the floods rose to 47 Monday after two new victims were found overnight in a village near the western Serbian town of Sabac.

Neighbouring Croatia has also evacuated thousands of people from along the river Sava.

Rescuers told of wrenching scenes as they finally reached cut-off villages, with dozens of people huddling on top of the tallest houses with no water or food.

"It was like a tsunami," said Suad Garanovic, resident of the Bosnian village of Topcic Polje, as he looked over his house, now drowned in mud.

"This is the second time I've fled my house. The first time was during the war. Now, just like then, I've lost everything," said Nihad Smajlovic in a nearby hamlet.

 

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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:49 | 4775483 BigJim
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C'mon, FlakMeister,  tell us it's all down to that evil CO2 stuff that plants just can't get enough of.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:55 | 4775502 Pladizow
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I like the end where Hillary shows up for a swim!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:57 | 4775511 cifo
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America will help them recover.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:18 | 4775576 Hughing
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Haitian style

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:28 | 4775618 Son of Captain Nemo
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.

+100

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:59 | 4775714 Stackers
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George Bush hates Balkan people

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:22 | 4775768 Ignatius
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Why not, he hated New Orleans.

Kinda has that New Orleans circa 2005 look to it.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:25 | 4776165 Oliver Klozoff
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Yeah but where are all the looters?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:22 | 4776401 wee-weed up
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Too bad this did not happen back when they were trying to genocide each other.

Maybe the death toll back then would have been much less.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 05:39 | 4776505 DogOfSinope
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Maybe.

Further more, if there were no involment of Victoria Nuland-likes there in the beginning of 90's - said genocide attempts maybe wouldn't happen at all?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 05:54 | 4776514 gold-is-not-dead
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unity and brotherhood all over again... and btw, in the middle of flood infrastructure holds and people who stayed have access to blockchain and licence to kill... oh the good times...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:54 | 4776548 DogOfSinope
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And, your point is?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 08:32 | 4776770 Manthong
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"120,000 unexploded mines"...  WTF?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:59 | 4775530 Theta_Burn
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@Plad

 Pic of the Bush's fishing the streets of New Orleans during Katrina..

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushfishingvacation.htm

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:22 | 4775600 Richard Head
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Didn't notice any brain damage on that pig.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:25 | 4775610 are we there yet
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gaag.... hillary in a swimsuit ..... don't stop there, Wookie and Hillary jello wrestling each other.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:56 | 4775505 Uber Vandal
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I thought it was Brawndo that plants craved (can't get enough of) for the Electrolytes.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:08 | 4775536 NidStyles
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Funny considering how last week they were bitching about drought in Eastern Europe...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:52 | 4775696 mrpxsytin
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Further proof of climate change. See it changes from week to week. Now pay all your money to the UN and they will ensure year round homeostasis. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:58 | 4775709 NidStyles
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According to the IRS I'm broke ;-)

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 02:34 | 4776407 wee-weed up
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Humorous tale...

AlGore told Tipper her hot flashes were not due to menapause...

But because of Global Warming.

He's been seeking his limited "pleasures" on massage tables ever since.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:56 | 4775698 James_Cole
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Yep Nid -- they are related!

Fuck it, just look at my links below..

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:28 | 4775789 whoisonfirst
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Careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:23 | 4775602 nmewn
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I can speak for him, this would be the cold-wet part of global warming...the hot/cold/wet/dry/windy/calm experience of AGW.

See, the ice breakers got stuck in the ice that wasn't there a hundred years ago, so thats proof of global warming. And the ice pack is actually growing in the southern hemisphere, so again, thats proof of global warming. Its dry in California as witnessed by the native tumbleweeds that grow there, so again...global warming.

These flood waters will eventually rush into the sea, so again...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:53 | 4775695 James_Cole
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I know you guys are geniuses, so put this together:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/balkans-region-hit-worst-drought-decades

http://mashable.com/2014/05/18/flooding-balkans/

After the harshest winter in decades, the Balkans region in the southeast of Europe is now facing its hottest summer and the worst drought across the area in nearly 40 years, officials say.

:::THEN::::

"This is the greatest flooding disaster ever. Not only in the past 100 years; this has never happened in Serbia's history,"

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:05 | 4775727 nmewn
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The Sava is spring fed...you sayin this is from snow pack in the Alps ace? ;-)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:11 | 4775738 James_Cole
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No the point is they had a drought last winter, up to very recently restricting water use. So drought + heavy rain = ?

People have predicted droughts / floods tied to global warming since the 80s (and before). 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:23 | 4775772 nmewn
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We have droughts here too (its called weather) so bad the swamps catch fire from lightening strikes from a passing storm that doesn't give hardly any rain...real wrath of God type stuff, smoke blotting out the sun an all. The only thing that stops it is...rain.

This year, a lot of rain, rivers overflowing, swamps are all full again...so what?

Its been going on for thousands of years, we here, in this time & space, are not special snowfllakes ;-)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:31 | 4775797 James_Cole
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You may have missed the bit about "worst drought in half a century" &  "worst flooding in a century"

It's about trends, not "opp cold outside my house today, GLOBAL WARMING MUST BE ALL BULLSHIT!!!

See where you fit in here:

http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA1LzA2LzZhL0NTX05ldF9DaGFuLmJkZ...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:38 | 4775824 nmewn
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So the "trend" is for the earth to self correct places that are normally moderate to wet in our life time?

Shocking...lol.

Let me know when the Sahara is getting ready to return to lush foilage so I can pick out a spot, before all the SUV's come driving in and return it to desert.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:46 | 4775845 James_Cole
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zzzzz

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:19 | 4775966 nmewn
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Pretty sure the Sahara happened waaaayyyy before trains and SUV's.

Zzzzz...lol.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:39 | 4776624 what's that smell
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you are a brave blogger to take on these agw fuctards.

maybe they should go over to max keiser's site and join the crash JPM / silver liberation / bitcoin / AGW shrieking.

smells like the middle ages...."burn the denier (wytch)!"

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 20:45 | 4779467 nmewn
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Its like a hobby with me, I like to watch their heads explode when rational people disagree with them...lol...obviously I'm a heretic to them.

But I think I'll float ok ;-)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:08 | 4775730 LetThemEatRand
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You're not going to convince this crowd, because the very concept that man can affect the overall environment such that coordinated effort is necessary to combat it is antithetical to the pure libertarian mind-set. And of course a bunch of NWO types have seized upon the issue to enrich themselves, giving all "skeptics" a nice cover to explain that almost all scientists have it wrong.   So I recommend that you do as I do.  Say fuck it, by a V8 (or a V12 if you can afford one), smirk while reading these same guys acknowledge that Fukishima (a single nuclear power plant) is a serious threat to human-kind (it is), and figure that something else is going to kill you far sooner anyway.   

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:15 | 4775752 James_Cole
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Say fuck it, by a V8 (or a V12 if you can afford one), smirk while reading these same guys acknowledge that Fukishima (a single nuclear power plant) is a serious threat to human-kind (it is), and figure that something else is going to kill you far sooner anyway.   

It's just bizarre that some people are still in denial. Why do I respond? Good question.. can't resist. It always seems like with a tiny bit more info people will come around. 

Worldwide most people understand it though, unfortunately there's no realistic solutions presented yet..

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:32 | 4775801 nmewn
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Would either of you two jokers like to explain how it is, that a modern ship got trapped in Antarctic ice trying to prove the South Pole is warmer than it was one hundred years ago, when a less than modern ship (by our own current standards today) actually made it and landed on terra firma (that would be solid ground, as in soil) one hundred years ago?

(Tapping finger)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:37 | 4775818 FredFlintstone
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Its real complicated. You probably wouldn't understand. Besides, you are so blinded by ideology that you wouldn't see the obvious. SARC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:49 | 4775858 nmewn
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lol...thats the other thing, notice how they always say we peasants are too stooooopid to understand. We should just trust in governmental bodies and the scientists which government funds in this "research" who have, actually, sold away all trust.

We should just submit to moar taxation & regulation willingly, cuz they're smart and we're all gonna die in a gigantic fireball if we don't ;-)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:52 | 4775869 James_Cole
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lol...thats the other thing, notice how they always say we peasants are too stooooopid to understand.

Please point out where I said people were too stupid to understand? 

It's denial, not intelligence. LTER said what's probably true - AGW doesn't fit with some peoples world views so they perform mental gymnastics to get around it. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:13 | 4775949 nmewn
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You expose yourself.

It fits with your and LTER's "world views" though doesn't it?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:45 | 4776051 James_Cole
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It fits with your and LTER's "world views" though doesn't it?

No and it wouldn't need to, facts (+ 97% of climate scientists) are entirely in agreement. Even exxon and I see the same on this issue. 

What you are saying is against what the overwhelming majority of people who have studied this issue concluded. So the question is...why? Clearly it's not a fact-based reason so one has to speculate why. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:25 | 4776166 Slave
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You don't even know where that 97% number comes from do you?

Please, go look it up. Please.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:28 | 4776178 James_Cole
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm

Now pull up your your bullshit 'debunk' article...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 11:31 | 4776551 BigJim
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I'll tell you what James. Why don't you pull up some of the 'bullshit' articles debunking the '97% consensus', and debunk them? Because, having read around the subject a wee bit, it's clear the '97% consensus' that is trotted out to tell us that AGW is a ginormous peril to humankind is bullshit.

It's also irrelevant.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 14:36 | 4778335 James_Cole
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I'll tell you what James. Why don't you pull up some of the 'bullshit' articles debunking the '97% consensus', and debunk them?

Just did?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 15:08 | 4778451 Flakmeister
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I suppose you should have cited the accredited or peer reviewed studies quantifying the concensus  directly (free versions where available)

2004: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full   (not peer reviewed)

2009: http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

2010: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

2013: http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

The scientific debate is over.....

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 19:29 | 4779216 fwaynemartin
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So 97% are wrong. What's your point?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 20:46 | 4779479 nmewn
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He's a consensus flat earther, no hope...lol.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:03 | 4787448 MeelionDollerBogus
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the point is those 97% are provably right using measured evidence meaning you and the other 3% are in fact wrong and so wrong you'll pretend hotter temperatures is actually "cooling", that's how far wrong you are.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 19:28 | 4779212 fwaynemartin
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Totally bogus number they pulled out of their ass.

 

 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:32 | 4776527 nmewn
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"No and it wouldn't need to, facts (+ 97% of climate scientists) are entirely in agreement."

There was general agreement the earth was flat too...lol...but just like then, now, one by one, they are peeling off and saying no, there is something else going on here. Lovelock & Bengtsson being just two of the latest. 

How is it that climate models don't work even when we know what the temps were/are? Science is not some democracy where outcomes are dictated by popularity, it is not some cabal of self serving inbreds conspiring to hide or destroy their results as we have seen at East Anglia.

Its actually SUPPOSED TO BE very sceptical and open upon itself to critique, in fact, inviting it. Which is the opposite of what we are observing within "climate science".

So I would turn the question back to you "So the question is...why?"

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 14:32 | 4778313 James_Cole
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There was general agreement the earth was flat too...lol...but just like then, now, one by one, they are peeling off and saying no

Typing on your computer on the internet....

lol...but just like then, now, one by one, they are peeling off and saying no

Nope, wrong. 

Lovelock & Bengtsson being just two of the latest. 

Lot of people go senile lol. If they actually come up with something to justify their position that'd be different, there are scientists who have published papers which don't agree with the consensus. There are people who remain 'skeptical' and can actually back up their reasoning, no one is denying this. 


Science is not some democracy where outcomes are dictated by popularity, it is not some cabal of self serving inbreds conspiring to hide or destroy their results as we have seen at East Anglia.

Again more bullshit...you latch on to bullshit and clutch it desperately like a life-raft, how about instead of jumping onto tangent nonsense explain where scientists have gone wrong? You know, the actual argument??

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 21:02 | 4779538 nmewn
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So Lovelock & Bengtsson are senile NOW are they?

How very convenient...lol.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 14:43 | 4778356 Miffed Microbio...
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Nmewn, I'm sad to say I have only met one true scientist in my life who hadn't married his theories and readily invited criticism and debate. Science has,for many, morphed into a religion. Quite the contrary to basic definition of what a scientist should be. Then throw in Goebbels propaganda (97%)to dupe those who don't think critically and the AGW agenda is advanced. Notice 97% vs 100%. Stating 100% would evoke doubt because even the least sophisticated who question that. 97% has a better ring to it. Frankly, in my experience, if you were in a room with 50 scientists from various institutions, you'd be hard pressed to find much agreement and lots of arguments.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 21:11 | 4779568 nmewn
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Real scientists invite others to prove their discoveries wrong.

They do not, hide their data or destroy it, they offer it up to anyone. They do not perform "tricks" with it and they certainly never say because their models don't work after all the time and effort they've spent in developing them, that they need more financing...because they destroyed/misrepresented/hid their own data.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 23:43 | 4779981 Flakmeister
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You are graciously invited to show anthropogenic C02 has not been the driving force for the past 40 years....

The thing you have to actaully demonstrate things and not just claim them, you know, the science thingie.....

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:01 | 4787441 MeelionDollerBogus
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considering how many (a huge majority) of AGW deniers actually say the measured warming is really cooling, but no one else can seem to measure/find this cooling, that sounds like a lot more data denial/erasure than one tree-ring study.

So far the no-AGW-crowd has yet to show one shred of evidence or logic and I mean in the past 30 years, ever, for even one day.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:56 | 4787431 MeelionDollerBogus
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But what is this AGW agenda? We can provably measure the output of CO2 & methane, provably show the infrared absorbed & deflected by it, and provably measure increasing methane from the arctic soil tundra as it is no longer cold enough to hold it in as it has been for millenia.
How is proof an agenda?
Is there any conceivable narrative that shows there is now AGW? I can't find anything credible, certainly not in the comments here on ZH.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:49 | 4775838 LetThemEatRand
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It still snows and gets cold.  Show me a single scientist who believes in global warming who said otherwise.  A single one.  The ones I've read say the process will take generations, and even then it will still be plenty cold in some places if not colder due to ocean current changes.

Drudge gets millions of page hits talking about global warming rallies that are snowed out as if it proves something.  You are obviously one of those.  But that's okay, really.  I don't care anymore.  I'll gas up my V8 and one of these days I'll restore my old 280sl that pumps out more CO2 in an hour than 10 Hummers in a week, and eat a bald eagle for dinner.  Fuck it.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:17 | 4775958 nmewn
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V8?

I had you down as a Prius driver at the very least.

Throw a few extra coins at the alter of Gaia and all will be forgiven ;-)

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 01:02 | 4776343 LetThemEatRand
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I'm thinking about buying a vehicle that runs on Plutonium.  It leaks like a sieve, and people usually get sick when I drive by, but it's my fucking right.  And it came with a protective suit for me.    You can choose not to do business with me if you don't like it.  

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:05 | 4776561 BigJim
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Hmmm. You're equating Plutonium - a single ingested particle of which could wind up leading to your premature death - and CO2, which is, historically, at almost all-time lows? C'mon. In fact, if CO2 levels had continued declining we could well have had a mass die-off as plants would have found it increasingly difficult to breathe.

The 'scientists' tell us the warming from 1950 to 1998 is a clear 'trend', and one caused by human CO2 emissions... but the lack of warming from 1998 is just 'variability'. When it's pointed out to AGW proponents that their models did not foresee the last 17 years' hiatus, they start saying that of course they can't predict vulcanism and variations of solar output very well... but expect us to believe their predictions, despite all the things they can't predict that influence the climate.

Anyone who isn't skeptical re: the doomster predictions made by AGW Chicken Littles just isn't thinking/researching hard enough... or is on the payroll.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:45 | 4775839 James_Cole
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Would either of you two jokers like to explain how it is, that a modern ship got trapped in Antarctic ice trying to prove the South Pole is warmer than it was one hundred years ago

The antarctic, I imagine you are aware, has a whole lot of ice floating in water (it is still there even with agw!). Travelling through such conditions at the wrong time can be treacherous and they timed their exit poorly.

Why people think it's a big deal is beyond me. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:11 | 4775942 nmewn
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They timed their exit poorly?...lol...you saying they actually made landfall like Mawson?

More like proving their own stupidity to me, Mawson was lucky to get out alive, many of this original crew weren't so lucky.

These fucktards were even luckier (by later birth) to try it in the time of helicopters...lol.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 00:06 | 4776264 Arkadaba
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Not sure where you live, but living up north and going further north on trips over the years, something has changed. More extreme weather and a warming trend for the past 35 years. Migrating patterns are changing. I'm willing to consider that it is part of a natural cycle ... but ... I think not. 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-warming-finally-reaches...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:03 | 4776559 A Nanny Moose
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Denial of what, exactly?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:35 | 4776014 90's Child
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I'll agree with that nmewn +1

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:27 | 4775785 whoisonfirst
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Wow, we've never had floods before. Flooding therefore must be proof of climate change.

Climate changes, we adapt or we die. Bunch of chicken littles.

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:56 | 4775886 FredFlintstone
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With all the shit that is going down and these guys are worried about the possibility of global warming, whoops, I mean climate change. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? Even if true, what the hell is anybody going to do about it?

This site is all about how there is basically no hope for the common man and billions will die at the hands of the oligarchs by starvation. And these geniuses are debating global warming (damn, did it again). I wonder how many great debates were had on the Titanic as it was going down?

I want to avoid personal catastrophe for me, my family and immediate acquaintances. If 80% of us die in the next 80 years, I think that the earth will do just fine. But it is mighty nice of all you to worry about Mother Nature.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:56 | 4776082 James_Cole
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Of course the earth will do fine without us, that's not the concern. 

And sure most people have more pressing worries than global warming but denying it exists won't make it go away nor will it mitigate the effects down the road.

Not to mention the truth is no one has come up with any reasonable solutions, which I understand why people take issue because the proposed solutions have been bullshit so far. 

None of that changes the facts. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:16 | 4776141 Flakmeister
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Actually shit for brains, there is a yet another kink in the Jet Stream behind this one. The equivalent of a European Nor'easter just sat in place and was fed WV from the Med...

Funny how those kinks have became more common once the arctic ice started disappearing...

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2681

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:19 | 4776582 BigJim
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So please do explain to us how the arctic has had ice over it throughout the history of the planet, and its melting can only be attributed to the evils of CO2... which is - relatively speaking - just off all time lows?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 09:08 | 4776966 Flakmeister
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Last time C02 levels were this high, there was no Arctic ice...

And it is now becoming evident that the WAIS is toast, admittedly over a few hundred years...

But we know you are too intellectually lazy to look that up...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 09:26 | 4777061 BigJim
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Ah, so CO2 levels were this high before? Caused by the dinosaurs also driving cars with too many cylinders, I expect?

The WAIS is toast! Oh no! You mean the West Antarctic Ice Shelf? Even if we ignore your switching from the topic at hand (from the arctic to the antarctic) a favourite Flak tactic - perhaps you'd like to put this in some kind of context by telling us how long it's been melting? Since the end of the little Ica Age, perhaps? Or the end of the last actual Ice Age?

But we know you're too driven by getting the next round of funding to worry about details like that, climate-industry shillgirl.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 10:29 | 4777383 Flakmeister
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Strawmen aplenty from you...

I was only pointing out that the Arctic is all but doomed with the WAIS soom to follow...

As for C02, I suggest you get an update from Roy Spencer at your favorite site, you know the one..

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 11:43 | 4777684 BigJim
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Lulz, 'soon' to follow? You've just admitted it'll be centuries! (if ever - are you suggesting the entire WAIS will melt... in a region that is well below zero most of the year round?)

We both know that the planet has been ice-free at the poles many times in its history... long before humanity started churning out CO2. In fact, the poles have been ice-free MOST of its history, haven't they, climate-industry shillgirl?

I look forward to hearing just how Roy Spencer's update re: CO2 has anything to do with the argument at hand... though as that would require it to be relevant, I don't expect it from the FlakMeister any time soon.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:29 | 4777844 Flakmeister
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More empty sophistry....

Call up Roy or Judith and offer to write a paper explaining everything...

Don't be surprised if they laugh in your face, and those 2 are are *your* allies in this...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:48 | 4777899 BigJim
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WTF are you talking about? Can you not hold to even the simplest thread of thought in a debate?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 13:01 | 4777951 Flakmeister
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If you believe that the crap you spew here is of any relevance to real climate science, then write it up and submit it for publication... I even gave you names of the two leading "skeptical" scientists that you could contact to for help. Hell, convince them and they might even collaborate. You could simply start by posting your insight at their blogs and getting feedback from them...

So as you can see there is no debate to be had here and you should stop flattering yourself for simply being a troll...

Very simple, eh?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:39 | 4778935 BigJim
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Dingbat, I thought you were a scientist? Pointing out flaws in research - or, more to the point, the politicised conclusions drawn from it - doesn't require publishing peer-reviewed articles. Do you think peer reviewers are obliged to publish a peer-reviewed article themselves every time they review a paper?

WTF goes on in that tiny little head of yours? I hope it's at least pretty; cause it certainly isn't much use for thinking with.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 10:39 | 4780853 Flakmeister
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It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing....

Zzzzz.....

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 19:25 | 4779200 fwaynemartin
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We were told the Arctic was going to be ice free every year since 2007. In fact, there has been no trend since 2007. Four year old ice has tripled since 2011. Are you too intellectually lazy to look that up?

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 09:28 | 4780860 Flakmeister
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No, you were never told that...

Go back to sleep...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 09:19 | 4777027 MEAN BUSINESS
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20MAY14 

 

Scientists discover how to turn light into matter after 80-year quest

"They would then fire these electrons into a slab of gold to create a beam of photons a billion times more energetic than visible light."

kurzweil accelerating INTELLIGENCE

 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:39 | 4777859 Flakmeister
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Sorry...

this is not what you think it is...

The process in question is closely related to this, 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics

which has been studied for many years the particle physics labs around the world...

Admittedly the two-photon process deals with virtual and not real photons, but that is a minor point...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 00:37 | 4780107 MEAN BUSINESS
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I knew it! I know a Vector Meson Dominance (whatever the hell that is) shill when I see one...

As if. Modelled in non-perturbative QCD, like those models know anything, pffft.

Next you'll be trying to tell everyone here about large transverse momentum transfers and that Higher Order Asymptotic Freedom Corrections to Photon–Photon Scattering is just another word for nothing left to lose. 

Have you no shame Sir? When will the shilling end???

(will add the /s tag after the other replies ; )

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 09:25 | 4780841 Flakmeister
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I see you may have played this game before...

As for VMD, rho, rho, rho your boat gently cross the beam....

At least I never flogged pomerons....

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:50 | 4775489 i_call_you_my_base
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That sucks.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:55 | 4775499 BigJim
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Yup. As if people in that region haven't had enough tragedy to deal with over the last few decades... now they get to watch their valuables wash away.

I notice a lot of the houses looked quite modern... maybe the developers should have asked themselves why their ancestors hadn't built on flood plains?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:09 | 4775539 NidStyles
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Because their ancestors did not have the benefit of no money down 0% APR loans. Thanks to the glorious western banking system, all can own a home, even on flood plains.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:33 | 4775636 Nex
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There was no escape because this rain fall one in several hundreds years. Second, rain fall before and soil was wet so water can't go in soil and go in mountin rivers which than in high velocity go in plain. There was dam, huge dams but in the end they  broke on some places. If this number of victims stay will be good.
Good thing for is there was no mass theft for now.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:55 | 4775702 mrpxsytin
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No. Haven't you got the memo? The weather was never bad before now. It was a utopian fairyland where bad weather events simply did not happen. It is only since humans started emitting C02 that these bad weather events started happening. You seriously need to be re-educated.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:09 | 4776565 BigJim
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True! All those Biblical admonitions regarding floods and droughts were actually God warning us of the evils of CO2-driven Climate Change.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 11:53 | 4777722 Miffed Microbio...
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You know Jim, a formidable alliance would occur if the proponents of AGW and religious fundimentalists merged. At first a union between the two would seem to be very inharmonious but upon reflection, I see great similarities. Blind dogmatic Faith to unprovable claims. Strick, bordering on violent, adherence to principles. Pressures on members to never question or investigate contrary facts. Unified forces to attack outside detractors. Key charismatic members positioned to seduce the weak minded into the fold. Wow, a marriage made in Heaven! ;-)

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 06:58 | 4780408 BigJim
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+1 :-)

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:47 | 4776219 Head_Shots_Work
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They all looked modern because they replaced all of the crap that was destroyed in the 80's during the last time of mental chaos they experienced. I'm sure OUR developers never ask themselves those questions building on the Gulf beaches, because they just KNOW that uncle sammy will tote the insurance and notes when the tide washes away all of our crap.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:34 | 4776528 DogOfSinope
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Your cynicism is only matched by your ignorance.

(the civil war in Bosnia was not in the 80's) 

Man, don't be so bitter. You'll develop an ulcer.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:48 | 4776540 DogOfSinope
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I had a chance to visit several times (business trips) and the West Balkans is generally quite modern. Was quite pleasantly surprised.

 

In fact, some parts of Western Europe and US look much more dilapidated. Infrastructure is not as good (though mayor highways are excellent), but cities are really nice and public safety (which was my biggest concern) turned out to be excellent! I felt much safer wandering around in Belgrade than in Paris or London. People are really hospitable and friendly, too. And food - I came back with few kilos of extra "memories". ;-)

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:52 | 4775495 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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CIA or MOSSAD is to blame no doubt.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:50 | 4776543 DogOfSinope
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NSA troll?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:57 | 4775508 Xibalba
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High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program 

 

"We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do. To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed." David Walker—the deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for science, technology and engineering

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:00 | 4775716 SnobGobbler
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dont they manage the ionosphere with nexrad now?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 19:59 | 4775515 americanspirit
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Another small problem - for decades two huge battery factories in Kosovo have been dumping lead into the river. Some of it went downstream - lead levels in water in Serbia are WAY above toxic levels - but most of the lead, cadmium etc sank to the bottom of the rivers within the first 20 miles or so. Now its all on the move. Parts of Serbia will shortly be as uninhabitable as the area around Fukushima.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:12 | 4775548 NidStyles
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Lead contamination is no where near as dangerous as radiation. Lead can be filtered and cleaned out from the environment. Radiation can transfer from one form of matter to the next so quickly that it's almost impossible to clean up contamination. 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:53 | 4777925 Flakmeister
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Radiation cleanup is the fundametally the same as lead cleanup...

Isolate the responsible element/isotope and remove it from the environment....

Again you display an astounding level of ignorance....

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:05 | 4775725 Rusty Shorts
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Thanks to leaded gasoline, lead is literally everywhere...and it doesn't go away.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:02 | 4775519 Ban KKiller
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It's not nice to fool with mother nature. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:17 | 4775574 I_Am_
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Agree. But even worse when we keep fooling ourselves. 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:11 | 4775547 Richard Head
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Krugman and Obummer will declare how positive this is for the Balkan economies. Shovel ready projects!

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:28 | 4775595 Kirk2NCC1701
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Next to "blood in the streets", the best time to buy real estate is when "the water is up to the Roof".

The 3 Rules of Real Estate (Location, Location, Location) are RE Marketing propaganda. 

The real 3 Rules of RE (your Realtor doesn't want you to know or think about) are:  Location, Timing, and Desperation.  Which leads to the RE aphorism:  Real profits in RE are made at the Front end, because you've taken advantage of the 3 Real Rules of RE... even though they keep selling the rear end profits, because they're selling hopes & dreams to sheeple.

p.s. The absolute, all-time best time to buy prime commercial RE is just weeks or months before a major man-made disaster.  Just make sure the highrise is well insured.  E.g. WTC 1, 2, 7.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:08 | 4775732 Rusty Shorts
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With a little research, you will find that WTC 1,2,3,4,5,6,& 7 where destroyed on 9/11.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:22 | 4775599 ...out of space
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hard to see, hard to belive, coz i live 50 km from headwater and i can throw rock over Sava

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYwz9wC_Sw

bog požegni balkan

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:24 | 4775604 FieldingMellish
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Boating accidents in the home.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:29 | 4775624 Jack Burton
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The mangled Jet Stream is playing all hell with the weather. Moscow and St. Petersburgh are on the other side of this huge jet stream wave, today Moscow was in the upper 80's F and St. Petersburgh 92 F.  Unusual warmth stretches up into Finland. Sibera has had wave of heat after wave of heat. Large forest fires have been burning since April all across Sibera. The Balakans are on the wrong side of the wave and this rain pattern is locked in place. When a big rain system gets locked, it can produce these type of record floods.

The out of control Jet Stream is due to unusual melting of arctic sea ice, the less the temperature difference between the high arctic and the middle latitudes, the less force there is holding the jet stream in place as a stream, but now it is a series of huge waves, often locked into place. What we see here is only going to grow worse in the next few years. Flood insurance? Better get some.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:37 | 4775649 HardlyZero
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which is probably due to Iceland's Grimsvotn in 2011 throwing up so much particulate into the upper atmosphere.

The weather is variable and never stops.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:12 | 4776129 Jack Burton
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Compelling logic. It just keeps getting better.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:21 | 4776152 Flakmeister
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Really? Any other cases of similar behaviour in the 100 or so eruptions we have observed in the instrumental record? 

Or are you just making shit up?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:15 | 4776572 BigJim
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LOL. 'Making shit up'? You're the guys (well, in your case, girls) who keep telling us you can predict climate... despite being unable to predict volcanism, solar output, exactly how clouds will behave if the climate actually does warm up, etc.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 09:13 | 4777004 Flakmeister
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That was lame even by your standards...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 09:29 | 4777075 BigJim
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And that was just noise, even by your standards.

You don't even attempt to argue now, do you? You realise that every time you're refuted, you lose what little credibility you have left. So you just sit on the sidelines flinging poo, like a defeated monkey.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 11:23 | 4777426 Flakmeister
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When you present clear facts that have not been twisted beyond recognition, we might discuss things...

In the meantime you have become a parody of a bad troll...

Good god, even Roy Spencer thinks you are a crank re: C02....

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/01/top-ten-skeptical-arguments-that-d...

In other words, you have become a crashing bore.  Zzzz......

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 11:30 | 4777633 BigJim
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Ah, you're back, flinging poo again! How has that link got anything to do with what we're discussing? Oh! I forgot! This is FlakMeister we're dealing with here, Queen of the Non-Sequitor!

Shouldn't you be off telling everyone how the (projected) 4.3cm rise in sea levels... per CENTURY... caused by Antarctic ice melting... is going o destroy civilisation?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:15 | 4777799 detached.amusement
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When you present clear facts that have not been twisted beyond recognition, we might discuss things...

-------------------------

we've been telling AGW blowhards to open their black boxes for how long now? 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:27 | 4777842 Flakmeister
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But they are open...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:46 | 4775670 new game
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and here in minnesnota...

lotsa rain, baby rain.

float dat boat...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 12:14 | 4777795 detached.amusement
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The out of control Jet Stream is due to unusual melting of arctic sea ice,

--------------

 

lol....seriously...when did the jet stream start acting weird?

 

nooooo noooothing to do with the sun...

 

fkn facepalm

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:35 | 4775632 eXMachina
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In Australia we call this type of flooding, January.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:59 | 4775715 mrpxsytin
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Unless you vote for Labor or the Greens. Then you call it catastrophic anthropomorphic climate change.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:32 | 4775633 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"...officials warned that 120,000 unexploded mines from the conflicts of the 1990s could be dislodged."~

See, this could be a great new innovation for landmines! Just make them so that they will float! When a conflict is over, just flood the area and all of the landmines float up!

...

And out into the rivers and oceans where boats and ships bump into them.

And then we have the Lusitania happening everywhere.

...

~~~~~

Never mind.

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:37 | 4776203 Head_Shots_Work
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What a great idea for a movie! Just when you thought the boring flood was over - it's FLOATING LANDMINES - and then what - a sharknado or something!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 07:16 | 4776577 BigJim
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'Minenado' does have a certain ring to it.

Maybe they should just make mines bio-degradeable?

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:40 | 4775657 hangemhigh77
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HAARP weather weapon.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:27 | 4776176 Flakmeister
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Truly remarkable, given that HAARP is not operational...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:49 | 4775682 new game
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my jet streamer is acting kinda funny latly. hmmm, sumting up wit da weather?

da ya tink 90 mi;llion bbls / day might have a tincy tincy bit of cause affect?

hehehehehehhehehehehehehehehhehhehe...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:51 | 4775688 eXMachina
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You speak really good England.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:50 | 4775684 new game
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fuck you in advance, too.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:52 | 4775692 uno
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US Corp of Engineers must of did their levees also

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:59 | 4775703 NOZZLE
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Serbs will do what they have done since beginning, brush themselves off, help each other and rebuild. Fuck EU and EU membership.

All those new houses and mosques in Bosnia are paid for by Saudi wahabists.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:12 | 4776518 DogOfSinope
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Seems that you are spot on.

Thousands of volunteers responded immediately. BBC reports that they built a 15km long sandbag levy near some town in mere hours.

Very young boys and girls on the footage - quite surprising.

I had a feeling that this young generation in Europe is quite disafected and selfish. But, it seems that not all is lost.

 

To be fair, all neghbouring countries and EU did send help imediatelly.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 20:59 | 4775711 sagerxx
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I know where all those channel-stuffed GM cars are going!....

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:15 | 4775747 Undecided
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The MSN makes me sic, it took almost a week before any coverage was shown on the flooding. They only care about what is in their interest.  Serbs had to patition for coverage in Canada and the US.

 

Even

Novak Djokovic slamed the media  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCdiCpkzkhM

 

http://www.tennisearth.com/news/tennisNews/Novak-Djokovic-slams-world-me...

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 21:17 | 4775757 Undecided
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Mon, 05/19/2014 - 22:53 | 4776074 AdvancingTime
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In our fast moving world some stories that should be noted often are overlooked and ignored. We all saw and heard about hurricane Sandy, in addition to flooding the subway system of New York and halting financial trading Sandy may of even tilted the Presidential election. If Sandy had indeed made a difference in the election outcome one might say Sandy has had the impact of also altering our future. While we are becoming more use to these uncommon "weather occurrences", it is possible that we should be viewing them as a warning of worse yet to come. More about how these strange weather events are becoming far to common in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2012/11/under-reported-weather-events.htm...

 

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:09 | 4776117 db51
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Oh Please.   compared to the Mississippi flood of 1993 and 2011 I believe....and New Orleans Katrina and New Jersey....this is nothing but pure hype.   Live in a flood plain fuckers and reality bites.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:34 | 4776192 Head_Shots_Work
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Really? I look at this and think to myself BFD. We had a tornado land literally 'down the street'  a while back that was a half mile wide, spinning at 250 miles and hour, and stayed on the ground for 40 miles, destroying (and I mean - to toothpicks - nothing left but fricking toothpicks) 400 to 500 homes. And this was just one tornado - we have dozens every year. That's why people don't screw with us - we are prepared to gather up our critical belongings and high tail it to a storm shelter in the five minutes we might have to get there. Meaning - we are prepared to also load up any weapons in minutes and also be prepared. If you can't figure out a flood is heading your way - you must live in - fucking Bosnia or something. Like - was it a surprise? Gee Torvad - that water appears to be rising. Shut up Ivan and pass me the bottle. Yeah - we get floods too. Missississippi and the Arkansas and the White - all do it to and the occasional flash floods - those are localized, small, and sometimes very quick and harder to prepare for, but a giant flood. Gee Stanisslaus - it appears as if the sea is rising, maybe we should prepare?

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 06:26 | 4776523 DogOfSinope
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Yeah. You are exceptional.

We got that.

Except maybe when you got caught "off-guard" by a hurricane that was precisely tracked for weeks in advance, non-stop covered on all MSM, still flooded your major city and your government was not able to give any meaningful or even remotely organized help to flood victims for a week?

 

Duh…

Natural disasters happen. That's why they are called disasters.

Being cynical when it happens to someone else is just bad for your Karma.

Mon, 05/19/2014 - 23:48 | 4776220 Arkadaba
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And lest we forget that last bankers' war:

Bosnia floods create new land-mine risk in Balkans

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 01:24 | 4776362 Schmuck Raker
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Bunch of wimps, if it was Bangladesh 100,000 would be dead by now.

Or in the US; 5 dead would be a tragedy worthy of banning rainfall!

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