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Jobless Claims And The Issue Of "Full Employment"

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Submitted by Lance Roberts of STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4778858 davinci7_gis
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"However, companies like Amazon can service thousands of customers instantaneously with no human interaction whatsoever" 

Wait until you see what happens to employment when all the fast food restuarants switch over to robots!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:11 | 4778869 maskone909
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They better start accepting snap cards, cuz there wont be anymore customers left.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:41 | 4778924 Zirpedge
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We will never realize full employment of human resources until we discover the value of a life devoted to serving Obama. Praise him!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:02 | 4778993 CheapBastard
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Record 20% of Households on Food Stamps in 2013 January 21, 2014 - 5:34 PM (CNSNews)

 

The USDA says that there were 23,052,388 households on food stamps in the average month of fiscal 2013, an increase of 722,675 from fiscal year 2012, when there were 22,329,713 households on food stamps in the average month.

 

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-20-households-food-stam...

 

Forward!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:10 | 4779011 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Someday the Baby Boomers will start retiring or most likely die off. Who is going to be prepared to replace them? Guess what, nobody. Witness the soon collapse of US corporations.

Please don't give me that immigrant line of bull either....

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:14 | 4778878 BrosephStiglitz
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Wait until you see what happens to profit margins when >50% of the population (low-skill portion) can't find a basic wage.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:50 | 4778969 zaphod42
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". . . when >50% of the population  . . . "

The lazy bums!  What's wrong with them?  Why don't they borrow to buy plastic crap from China.  They could do second mortgages on their homes?  We need them.  The economy needs them.  Just no initiative, that's all.

Craig

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:38 | 4779081 Antifaschistische
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I'll repeat what I've said before...

 

If no one had a job, the Initial Jobless claim number would be ZERO.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:18 | 4778887 drendebe10
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The King Liar in Chief has new clothes!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:16 | 4778862 TeamDepends
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Jay Carney:  "Due to the fact that looking for a job has been revised to "full employment", and, let's face it, giving up completely is hard work, we can now triumphantly proclaim that the unemployment rate is 0.00021%."

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4778865 maskone909
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With the abundance of slave labor, indeed, "there is no incentive to increase employment"

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:27 | 4778913 sethstorm
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It's not slave labor - it's called business friendliness. It comes in the forms of:

 

  • Contingent (agency/temporay) employment
  • Preferences for guest workers instead of citizens
  • Lax enforcement of immigration law
  • General treatment of non-business owners as 2nd tier citizens.
Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:11 | 4778867 schatzi
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Fantastic, in-depth analysis. Thank you for that great contribution.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4778873 ebworthen
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It's not so much advances in technology that is hurting employment, it is a desire by corporations to avoid supporting people and society.  It's a complex form of Soylent Green, they're just not turning the bodies into food (yet). 

Tapeworms and other parasites will eventually kill their host, but they keep on feeding.

Meanwhile, Microsoft unveils new larger tablet; they're calling it a "laptop".

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4778875 Cattender
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um.. Duh. it's a Recovery. i will most likely be buying a New Car soon. :-) (or not)

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:18 | 4778891 Major Major Major
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Eliminating employment and income taxes will boost hiring and reduce dependence on the government resulting in reduced funds needed by the government, therefore less taxes needed to be stolen from working people and those that employ them.  So, like I said, let’s eliminate the employment and income tax.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:45 | 4778952 zaphod42
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"So, like I said, let’s eliminate the employment and income tax."

 

So, isn't that what we're doing?  By eliminating employment and income, viola!  No Employment and Income Tax!!!

 

Craig

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:24 | 4778906 sethstorm
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The "good news" is that for those that are currently employed - job safety is high. Businesses are indeed hiring, but prefer to hire from the "currently employed" labor pool rather than the unemployed masses. The "bad news" is that for those who remain unemployed, full-time work remains elusive and wages suppressed due to the high competition for available jobs.

Start making the unemployed a protected hiring class and watch that avenue of avoidance fall down.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:25 | 4778909 ejmoosa
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"[Side Note: Just a quick observation suggests that when initial claims have previously been at these levels the economic cycle was closer to its end than its beginning.]"

 

Truer words were never spoken.

This economy can only support so many workers under our new economic realities.

The rate of annualized profit growth is at a low as well.  Companies are already beginning to right-size their expenditures and head counts for the new Amerikan Reality


Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:46 | 4778959 zaphod42
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I have to agree... Wall Street has, indeed, taught Companies well, that reducing labor is the way to increase share value.

My question is, who in the Hell are their customers?

Craig

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:56 | 4778981 ejmoosa
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That and borrowing billions to buy back shares.  

Home Depot, disappointing the Street, annouces yet another multi billion dollar buyback.

Here is what no one else is telling you:

 

Home Depot had profits of 5.838 billion in 2005.  Their long term debt was 2.672 billion

For 2013, they earned 5.385 billion and their long term debt is at 14.691 billion and climbing.

 

Frankly, I prefer the Home Depot of 2005 versuse the Home Depot of 2013.  They will not be spending their future earnings on growth.  It will be to repay debt.

 

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:03 | 4778998 Oldwood
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Luckily no one needs worry about pesky profitability anymore. Now all income is derived from fictional stock evaluations, and buying back stock with what cash you can borrow accomplishes that nicely. The other great fortune in this ploy is that as we all know, the stock market always goes up...forever...so that stock option bonus is as good as gold!

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 19:24 | 4779163 James
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"They will not be spending their future earnings on growth".

They have saturated that market and therefore their is no appreciable expectation for growth. Their are three HDs w/in seven miles of me.

" It will be to repay debt".

They will not be repaying that debt. That debt will continue on its current path 'til they enter bankruptcy and ultimately liquidation. This is no more than six years out.

Investors should watch earnings/debt going forward from now 'til 2017. If current debt grows i'd short that stock anticipating bankruptcy by 2020.

If one really wants to delve into their numbers you will see that YoY sales are down on a per item basis. Everything they sell has gone up 20%.

HDs real value at that point is their real estate.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:41 | 4779088 Bemused Observer
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LOL! I have a feeling that they are going to start asking themselves this very question real soon...

"Ummm...hey guys? I hate to bring this up, but, did anyone figure out where our FUTURE profits are going to be coming from?"

There are going to be a lot of Homer Simpsonesque "Doh!" 's heard in boardrooms all across America...

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:27 | 4778915 deflator
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 The longer you draw unemployment the harder it is to find a job. Employers discriminate against people with holes in their work history that are filled with UE compensation.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 20:41 | 4779458 RaceToTheBottom
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For that reason I purposely call my unemployed time a Consulting job.  I never call it Unemployed Compensation

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 17:54 | 4778977 Make_Mine_A_Double
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Give all the unemployed leaf blowers and station them every 5 feet around the peremiter of the lower 48. Have them blow leafs on left to right basis creating a continuous circular flow of leaves in perpetual motion around the continental USSA.

This will create 'full employment' among the prols and generate enough noise to deter our Sud Americano friends from jumping the border.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:07 | 4779007 CheapBastard
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If you waste your time looking for a job you might miss your chance to buy a house at zero down, 125% LTV. "There's never been a better time then now to buy a house," the NAR still says.

"... Don't be locked out ... Stop looking for a job and grab one of them at zero down, never pay back!"

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:21 | 4779040 Oldwood
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What I am envisioning is a brave new world. A world where everyone has a job and we don't burn any more of that awful carbon stuff to power our homes. The world I see for our future is one where everyone who lacks the skills to be an important government official is provided a job pedaling a cheap Chinese bicycle type generator. We report for our 12 hour shift at a government power generation and re-education center conveniently located in the basement of our twelve story apartment building where we each enjoy identical 350 sqft apartments, eliminating any jealousy. This brave new world also eliminates any need for money as everything we need is supplied to us at the very reasonable rate of all of our productive life span simply pedaling that generator. The slogan for this utopian existence is "power to the people". It will be beautiful...

Everything has a point of view, especially freedom and liberty. AS people lose their jobs and job skills, the economy will continue to deteriorate. At some point all of the dead weight will have to be put to use, and likely in the most base way possible. We WILL become the Matrix, maybe not powering the system with our body chemistry, but we will be powering it, even if it is only pedaling a generator. Dead weight will be consumed.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:33 | 4779072 Kreditanstalt
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No one ever mentions that, as employment becomes less and less secure, more and more part-time, low-salary, short-term, contract work and casual, fewer and fewer of the laid-off even qualify for "initial claims".

The numbers qualifying will inevitably dwindle too, as incomes stagnate or fall.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:45 | 4779092 Cattender
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i remember moving around a LOT more back in the 90's when jobs were Much Easier to obtain... i had a a LOT of cheap rental homes as well... (i was Hard to Find) :-)

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 19:39 | 4779251 Grouchy Marx
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Excellent point.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 23:34 | 4779962 sethstorm
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Benefits will eventually follow if things get bad enough.  Either that, or the more sensible thing would be to make less secure forms of work not be a condition of accepting work - but as forms of work that compete against a highly secure (and equally available independent of skill level or qualification) default.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 18:59 | 4779120 AdvancingTime
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How do we reconcile the April jobs report that showed 288,000 jobs being created and 806,000 people dropping from the work force with economic reality?  My take on the recent jobs report is that as spring comes upon us ever optimistic and more desperate Americans are being pushed into making a decision as to whether to leave the work force or take a lower paying job that is often part time.

Yes, people are busy scurrying around, but it should be clarified not at a fast pace. The question then arises as to how this will spill over to economic policy and are consumers changing their spending habits? More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/reconciling-april-jobs-report-wit...

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