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US Govt Admits Using Fake Vaccination Programs To Gather Intelligence; Swears It Won't Do It Again
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
As someone who spends the vast majority of his time trying to keep up with what is happening in the world, I am always embarrassed when confronted by an extraordinarily important story that I somehow completely missed. The story I am referring to in this case is the fact that the CIA organized a fake vaccination program in Pakistan several years ago in order to get Osama bin Laden’s family DNA. The Guardian reported this back in 2011:
The CIA organised a fake vaccination programme in the town where it believed Osama bin Laden was hiding in an elaborate attempt to obtain DNA from the fugitive al-Qaida leader’s family, a Guardian investigation has found.
As part of extensive preparations for the raid that killed Bin Laden in May, CIA agents recruited a senior Pakistani doctor to organise the vaccine drive in Abbottabad, even starting the “project” in a poorer part of town to make it look more authentic, according to Pakistani and US officials and local residents.
The doctor, Shakil Afridi, has since been arrested by the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) for co-operating with American intelligence agents.
Naturally, many Pakistanis were none too pleased about this situation. After all, how would you feel if let’s say Chinese health workers were caught using the guise of humanitarian activities in order to spy on American citizens. Yeah, that’s what I thought.
So thanks to the CIA’s idiocy, the entire world will now never trust any vaccine program that has any connections to the USA. There has already been an armed backlash against American immunization programs where 56 people have died. Furthermore, there has been a resurgence of polio in Pakistan. Of the 77 cases of polio documented worldwide so far in 2014, 79% have been in Pakistan.
While this is horrible in its own right, there is a much bigger story here. The fact that the United States holds no claim to any sort of moral high ground whatsoever. Rather, due to the many factors that I have outlined on this site over and over, the U.S. is now seen, internally by its citizenry, as well as externally, as a thieving, corrupt, nuclear armed Banana Republic ruled by a cadre of childlike oligarch puppet figureheads concerned only with how much they can steal before society collapses. This has been proven and reinforced over and over again by stories such as this one, as well as the recent revelation of: Conspiracy Fact – How the U.S. Government Covertly Invented a “Cuban Twitter” to Create Revolution.
Now we learn from Yahoo News that:
Amid a deadly backlash again vaccinations and a resurgence of polio in Pakistan, the White House has promised that the CIA will never again use an immunization campaign as a tool of spycraft.
Sure, let’s go ahead and take professional liars at their word.
“I wanted to inform you that the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) directed in August 2013 that the agency make no operational use of vaccination programs, which includes vaccination workers,” President Obama’s top counterterrorism and homeland security advisor, Lisa Monaco, wrote to the deans of 12 public health schools. Yahoo News obtained a copy of the May 16 letter (below).
“Similarly, the Agency will not seek to obtain or exploit DNA or other genetic material acquired through such programs,” Monaco wrote. “This CIA policy applies worldwide and to U.S. and non-U.S. persons alike.”
The Central Intelligence Agency had enlisted a Pakistani doctor, Shakil Afridi, to collect intelligence under the guise of an immunization effort in the city of Abbottabad as part of planning for the high-risk May 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound there.
The agency aimed to confirm intelligence that bin Laden was at the compound by comparing DNA obtained from children living there to a sample from the fugitive al-Qaida chief’s late sister, the Guardian newspaper reported in July 2011.
Another result of the CIA’s actions was to lead many Pakistani parents to forgo vaccinations for ailments like polio. The crippling and sometimes fatal illness has no known cure – but there are several safe and effective vaccines, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
Nice work guys.
Monaco’s letter came nearly a year and a half after the deans of 12 schools of public health wrote a letter to Obama saying that “as a general principle, public health programs should not be used as cover for covert operations.”
“While political and security agendas may by necessity induce collateral damage, we as an open society set boundaries on these damages, and we believe this sham vaccination campaign exceeded those boundaries,” they wrote, referring to the CIA’s hoax campaign.
What a total fucking joke we have become.
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Do they pinky swear?
If you like your vaccination....
this article does great damage to important global initiatives to eradicate poverty and disease by erroneously and maliciously impugning past efforts to limit the spread of infection
everyone, especially in under-developed countries, should participate in public health programs, including vaccinations, in order to avoid becoming a vector for future outbreaks
just to be clear: those of you who are not on the list of vaccinees face an almost certain threat of exposure to dread diseases
hugs,
the bill and melinda foundation
I swears. - gollum
Let's not be naive here, been done before, terrible things, will be done again.
"HUmans" are not running the show anymore...
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/un-holy-smoke-and-biblical-fi...
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/blood-tales-and-time-for-a-ch...
Hi, we're the US, and we're saying like all this stuff, and you should like believe us, really, no, no, really.
Where there is one fake program, there is, well you know sky's the limit.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Should we mention that the polio vaccine GIVES you polio? Or at least that's what the inventor testified...
Wait til we find out measles cures Cancer and nobody can get it.
Should we mention that the polio vaccine GIVES you polio? Or at least that's what the inventor testified...
dude what do you think most vaccines ARE?
I think it goes -
Fool me twice - Won't get Fooled Again!
That's GW Bush version.
Cue up Pete Townsend. Windmill in 3,2,1
“While political and security agendas may by necessity induce collateral damage, we as an open society set boundaries on these damages, and we believe this sham vaccination campaign exceeded those boundaries,” they wrote, referring to the CIA’s hoax campaign.
What? You mean the assholes didn't even vaccinate the kids while they were taking the DNA samples? Fuck me. The evil never stops.
That would up the damages a bit. I'm thinking the vaccinations were real, but wouldn't be surprised if it was just saline.
I think it is interesting that no one seems to be asking the question WTF reason does the CIA need DNA from their enemies for?
I suspect the answer is related to the section of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) document where they talk about how great biological weapons will be when they are designed to target only specifics genotypes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Another reason, if any needed, to jump on the anti-vaccine crowd.
Hell, I harbor enough mistrust of contemporary vaccines without CIA involvement
Dear Bill,
Eat a D*ck.
-HamRove
The article does NO damage to 'important global initiatives . . .'
The CIA apparently does great damage to those initiatives.
'Global Force for Good' . . . Indeed.
Fuck em - they didn't invent one of the vaccines - let them build antibodies. Lets put in travel restrictions.....
tell them they can't use dollars anymore until they mend their ways.
that'll teach them.
Fuck em - they didn't invent one of the vaccines - let them build antibodies. Lets put in travel restrictions.....
How many vaccines have you invented, genius?
Thank you, Jim, you beat me to it. There's a lot of this shite going on around here. I love the ones who ask "when are you going to get off your ass and do something about it" in reference to government war mongering or central bank gerrymandering. Those are followed by the ones who say, "write to my Congressman or senator? I wouldn't waste my time" or "Ï'm sharpening my guillotine." Ya, and I'm the Headless Horseman. It takes real balls and a lifetime commitment to do something significant, meaningful and lasting. Talk is cheap.
No I disagree. The article did not do the damage. The government did the damage. They lied and put innocent families at risk. Any attempt to cover up a lie in order to do good, taints the good that is done.
I don't want a big brother to protect me from the scary truth and I am sure those people in pakistan want to know how they can be sure that the vaccine they are getting is indeed a vaccine. How stupid is the government. If you are going to use the situation to spy at least make sure that the vaccine is administered as well.
If you like your DNA, you can keep your DNA??
I'm looking forward to every anti-vaxxer bringing this up for the rest of my life when I try to convince them to stop being dumbshits. Thanks Obama...
why do you feel the need to convince them to take them at all? If you want to take vaccines then go ahead its none of my business and its not my life.
And running for the Presidency...
Obozo promised "the most ethical Admin in history."
What a fukin' joke!
And not just this... but now hundreds of accumulated lies!
And all brushed under the rug by his sycothant MSM!
Shame! Shame!
The cabal seems a bit desperate to make this lie on zerohedge. If you have even slight intelligence, you know the OBL attack was BullShit Deluxe. So, how does this story apply?
The good Dr. Shakil Alfridi's head on a pike outside of the US embassy seems appropriate.
Can you elaborate, please. I have no idea whether to support you or not. How is ths a lie? What is an OBL? Why are you speaking in code? I'm confused, give me something to chew on.
Osama
Bin
Laden
has been dead since ca. 2003.
Thanks. The acronym deciphering part of my brain is on go-slow strike today. Now I see where he's coming from. Fair enough stance.
"has been dead since ca. 2003"
Catheters Anonymous?
Yup. Not buying this.
I noticed they use a form of propaganda that I'm not sure has a name. You are right, this issue is used to butress the narrative about OBL. I see this method quite a bit, where some modified limited hangout is used to reaffirm a narrative from the past. They are quite persistent in trying to rewrite history continuously. I'm starting to wonder if that is not one of their prime directives. Hide the evidence at all costs.
If they make a movie, they lied. If they make a hundred movies (holocaust) they REALLY lied.
Sony's snapped up Snowden's Secret.
mmm Hmmmm.
nice catch
great pitch.
ba boom tisshh.
The law of the jungle - never show weakness, never admit to mistakes, always lie when you're unsure of the response, never equate expectations or results with any kind of morality, take what you want, leave nothing to chance, live to fight another day.
noticed the dailymail.uk* had a story on a 'secret cia museum with obl's ak and transcripts from the iranian thingy in 1979'. they're layin' it on pretty thick now.
*hey they have a lot of decent (indecent?) cheesecake photos...
Yup, and the guys on seal team 6 and Benazir Bhutto knew it was bullshit, too. Where are they now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1dSY4d5b8
Bhuttos statement about OBL's death @ 6:00 goes right by "Sir" David Frost,
Benazir was so beautiful in countenance and in mind. Hard to imagine that God would leave that crime unpunished. Then again, there's a shitload of crimes against God that are yet to be reconciled.
Gonna be a bitch, bitchez.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective. Therefore, even if you do get the vaccines, you may possibly still get sick if herd immunity begins to fail.
This is Vaccines 101.
I do not think you understand "herd immunity" or how the human body responds to viruses at all.
This is Quit Preaching 101.
The Measles vaccine isn't 100% effective in establishing immunity. This is why when there is a break out in communities where there is less than optimal vaccination coverage thanks to anti-vaxxers, many of the kids who get sick were vaccinated. They were the kiddos who were vaccinated but did not establish immunity.
Now that i've established I know what i'm talking about, you can put up or go back to your snake oil salesmen website.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
What the CDC says:
1. There were 450 deaths associated with measles per year immediately prior to the introduction of measles vaccines.
What the CDC "forgets" to say:2. There were 450,00 measles "cases" per year in the pre-vaccine era.
3. The Mortality/Case rate was 1 or 2 deaths per thousand cases.
AND
4. It is claimed that the number of cases cited above are actually "reported cases" and the number is "likely low" as "almost everybody" had the measles in those years.
5. It is also claimed that there was a 99 percent reduction of cases following the introduction of measles vaccines.
1. There was a 98% decline in deaths associated with measles prior to measles vaccine introduction.
2. The CDC's own evidence shows that the percent of children having measles declined prior to measles vaccine introduction.
3. CDC literature shows that the "live virus" * measles vaccine does not prevent measles but instead causes measles.
4. Measles cases caused by the vaccine are not reported.
5. Measles cases caused by measles vaccines only "appear" milder than natural measles because the vaccination causes immune system suppression.
A suppressed immune system can NOT respond strongly or effectively to the body's needs. Vaccine induced cases are actually more severe than natural measles and thus are accompanied by more adverse events than would occur with natural measles.
6. No evidence exists for claiming that measles vaccine reduces cases of measles. Only natural immunity reduces cases.
7. Numbers five and six (6) above are proved by the larger number of neurologically damaged children (autism) that occur in populations receiving MMR vaccine compared to populations not receiving MMR vaccine.
You know how this works... Make a bold claim, you need to provide a source.
http://www.haciendapublishing.com/sites/default/files/Figure3VaccinesFar...
Someone with an extensive background in biochem and toxicology would know you can't just post a .jpg of a crappy poorly labeled graph as proof of anything. What's wrong with you?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqKUYOJBRK1ldE96VS0zeTVneFB...
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.stickyrice.net%2Fwp...
lol
"Herd immunity" is bullshit.
yes yes, and the Earth isn't round, we never landed on the moon, and Israel pulled off 9-11 with the help of Bush and the Lizard aliens.
If you don't belive in big pharma's solutions:
you must believe in Lizard aliens.
Surely, there is not one who could doubt the logic and sound-mindedness of XenoShit!
Also, this type of delusional thought process needs a dose of sunlight.
"Acts of terror and violence never benefit the average man or woman. They only ever benefit those in positions of power.
This is why Nero fiddled while Rome burned: it gave him a chance to throw the Christians to the lions and rebuild the capital of the Roman Empire in his own image.
This is why Hearst and the warmongers of the emerging American Empire were delighted by the destruction of the U.S.S. Maine in Havana Harbor: it gave them the excuse they needed in order to rouse the public into supporting the Spanish-American War.
This is why Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 during the Six Day War, strafing and torpedoing it relentlessly for hours in a vain attempt to send it to the bottom: the Israelis believed that the loss of the Liberty could be blamed on Egypt and draw the Americans into war.
This is why there are hundreds of documented examples of governments staging attacks in order to blame them on their political enemies. In every civilization, in every culture, in every historical period, authoritarians have known that spectacular acts of violence help to further consolidate their own power and control. And sadly, throughout history there have been all too many willing to allow attacks to occur, to pretend that attacks have occurred or even to attack their own population in order to further their political agenda.
To think that such staged provocations and false flag attacks no longer occur would be as unrealistic as believing that human nature itself has changed, that powerful people no longer seek to increase their power, that influence is never used for deceit or manipulation, that lies are no longer told to satisfy greed or slake the thirst for control. It is to believe that our society is immuned from those things that we have seen in every other society in every other era. In short, it is a dangerous delusion."
-James Corbett
http://youtu.be/TJgv39GtcJ0
i don't believe the lizard aliens helped, but if you think the government's story about 9-11 is up there with the (somewhat) round earth and the moon landings, i can't give much consideration to what you write.
you wouldn't be a zionist, would you? just asking.
Nope, not a zionist... Not that saying so will matter.
You have to wonder how humans survived tens of thousands of years without vaccines. If death counts were all that mattered, we wouldn't allow smoking or drive cars. Your 9/11 remark is the height of imbecility. Your ignorance of "aliens" or terrans as they like to refer to themselves shows a real inability to broaden your reading list. I hate to shatter your world, but evolution is next on the endangered list- see hybridization and paleo archeology for more!
Spouting ignorance is for the ignorant.
I don't have to wonder because without vaccines a shitload of humans didn't survive. They're part of the reason why people live into their 60-70s now instead of dying in their 30s. They're also why in the US, it's incredibly rare to hear about someone losing a sibling to Polio/MMR/Smallpox/WhoopingCough/etc... when it was quite common 100 years ago.
Thanks for reminding me to add evolution onto my list of solid verifiable scientific theories that some people still inexplicably refuse to believe.
Really? Provide some numbers AND citations. Then measure them against warfare numbers or smoking or driving. Of course people die, that is nature. Show how vaccines have made a difference. Show how vaccines are the reason for this, rather than naturally occuring defenses. The Greeks lived into their eighties- without vaccines. Americans are among the most heavily vaccinated, yet also the unhealthiest in the world.
Please provide ANY verifiable theory for evolution. Especially when skeletons of previous human species are being found on top of later species in the fossil record. There is nothing solid about evolution- which is why it continues to attempt re-invent itself and now refers to the human bush of evolution versus tree.
Since you are a proponent of books, try, "The Mysterious Orgins Of Hybrid Man". There are better explanations, but they conflict with the status quo and we all know how that works in "science".
I know the government is bullshit and all but vaccines are not. I completely support a person's right to not get vaccinated, for anything. But I cant in good conscience support it without telling you the truth, which is that there is ZERO evidence vaccines are harmful or pose any significant risk. Nothing in life is certain, so yes some people may have an over-zealous immune system that could lead to problems after vaccination, but the risk is certainly less than the risk of dying from measels, especially considering that now more people are not protected against it.
Dont even get me started on the autism bullshit. Autism is a complex disease involving intricate re-wiring of nerves in the brain, with NO morphological defects. This is much different from inflammation or from mercury poisoning, such as what anti vaxxers are saying vaccines cause. Autism is like flipping on a light switch in your living room, but your bathroom light turns on instead. Introducing a toxin to the nervous system is more like flipping a light switch in your living room, and the fucking roof collapses.
For more information and to contact XenoFrog, please call 1-800-F1U-CKYO
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Fuck you.
You only know what the CDC, created with the impetus of biological warfare, or another "authority" is talking about.
Fuck you. Go read a book.
I bet you haven't touched an actual book in decades. Reading some tinfoiler anti-vaxx site filled with garbage doesn't count.
Blindly believing what the government tells you through the CDC isn't good for your health either. It's not like the pharmaceutical companies have funded the studies showing the benefits of vaccines or anything...
I like my vaccines with extra mercury, please.
We have 150 years of evidence, eliminated Smallpox, and nearly eliminated Polio worldwide. Or is all of that just a "Big Pharm" lie as well?
Obviously Zeno is paid by the hour
AH!
The true colors of this one begin to shine through.
The 'Rulebook For Radicals' book you like must have left a lasting impression.
One famous way to deflect a debate or discussion is to attack the messenger with personal insults; thus deflecting attention from the fact that (in this case, for example) the very doctors that started off the 'vaccination nation' have ADMITTED that their creations are detrimental en masse.
The 'theory' is that, by injecting a human with a low dose of a live virus, the body would build an immunity 'naturally', thus 'protecting' one from it. This B.S. story started during WWI, when the eugenisists in various nations started fucking around with germ warfare. An unfortunate side-effect was the release of a voracious form of influenza virus in a particular military base in the CONUS in which soldiers returning home were exposed to this mutant germ. Oh, yeah, that was the start of that influenza outbreak...
How about 'Lyme' disease? Well, there was this little island, Plum Island, where the CONUS germ people were working on a new strain. Seems they had a breach of containment. The birds (with the normal contingent of tics and fleas on board) liked to migrate from this island back to the mainland... and 'Lyme' was the city where this new 'disease' first showed up.
In PRACTICE, injecting a healthy body with an illness makes them ill (that's what illnesses do, you know). Injecting a WEAKENED immune system with this stuff, well, it does damage. REAL damage. Sometimes, people die. It's all right, though, just 'culling the herd' and all that, wouldn't you say?
XenoFrog?
The first vaccines were created in the 18th and 19th centuries. Long before WW1.
Yes, and we find the "pandemics" begin a century later, starting with Cholera in 1813.
I again reassert - you do not understand herd immunity (ie in what context that term originated) nor how human biology responds to threats.
In science (and hopefully in life) you move from general to specific. Not speaking of only measels here - why are you being selective?
Because when I spoke in generalities, you claimed I didn't understand. Now that I provided a specific example, you claim I can't speak to generalities. Having fun being deliberately obtuse without explaining how i'm supposed to be incorrect about anything I've said?
You are arguing incorrectly. I spoke of the ability of the human body to respond to threats, which you seem not to grasp either generally or specifically. You come from a place of weakness in arguing for vaccines, human physiology comes from a place of demonstrable strength - just look at the population boom in non-vaccinated "3rd world" places.
Nor do you understand the origination or the false assumptions behind the term "herd immunity"
As stated elsewhere in this thread, the death rate from measles was almost nil immediately prior to the vaccine being introduced.
You're a babbling toddler.
Established you know what your talking about? with a CDC.Gov link...LOL
We aren't concerned about measles here, but some rushed into production, untested pig virus vac. and the CDC.Gov's bottom line..
Inject away your DNA, small amounts of dirt don't hurt kids, big Pharma certainly does...
The heavy metals in that dirt, which are in much higher quantities than anything in a thousand vaccines, reflect the anti-vaxxer's inability to see the actual threats in the world. In your search for a boogeyman, you miss the actual problems putting kids at risk.
Dirt does not contain thimerosal/mercury, nor formaldehyde, nor aluminum adjuncts, nor egg albumin, nor toxic preservatives, nor useless attenuated virus strains. If you simply understood basic immunology, you would see that vaccines do way more harm than good. Bypassing your adaptive immune system with almost 0 viral load = billions of profit for pharma and sicker patients. Vaccines = poison.
You know what else doesn't have thimerosal/mercury? vaccines. It was taken out, due to mouthbreather idiots who don't understand chemistry, even though there was never any evidence that it did anything to people.
Vaccines have saved millions of lives, and will continue to do so.
No they have not. You just think they have.
And when measles and polio makes a come back worldwide thanks to misinformation campaigns run by people like you, I'm sure you will blame "Big Pharm" instead of taking responsibility.
Xeno doesn't think they have. Xeno believes what Xeno is told to believe. Xeno doesn't have original thought.
It's not just the mercury, Xeno. Autism is a multifactorial illness that is the final common pathway of excessive inflammation and chemical toxicity, and it tends to strike in different ways depending on the genetics of the individual, which is why it presents as a wide spectrum of disease. Toxic overload and chronic inflammation overload the methylation pathways of the body, and since methylation is involved in everything from detox to cell signalling to energy pathways, it screws things up royally. And, since reduced methylation is associated with higher intelligence, it tends to strike those who are more intelligent and who have the funds to "take good care of their kids" by vaccinating the hell out of them, which is why autism occurs at increased rates in higher socioeconomic classes.
Remember where you are sticking that viral/bacterial particle and adjuvent -- directly into the bloodstream via the muscle. Now, how much of those irritant particles cross the blood brain barrier, hmmmm???? And what do you get when you have irritant particles and chemicals crossing the blood-brain barrier? You get brain infllamation. Which is why a known complication of vaccines is encephalitis.
You need to learn to think bigger picture. When you only focus on one margin at a time, you miss a lot of important shit. So shut up, sit down, keep reading this blog, and maybe eventually you'll learn something.
Thanks gwiss. I had not head about the chronic inflammation aspect of autism.
I think it is good to remember that autism is ALSO known to be a possible side-effect of MK-ULTRA-type mind break, a partial failure of an attempt at complete mind control. Hence, it seems like the increased rate of autism in higher social classes might have more to do with the far higher rate of illuminati-type victims in those demographics...
There's exactly zero scientific evidence that anything you just said is true. You have one widely discredited study done by a liar and his results have never been verifiably reproduced. It's junk.
Wakefield has exactly zero to do with what I wrote, Xeno. The fact that you don't even recognize this is ample demonstration that you are the equivalent of a religious adherent, fervently proselytizing a doctrine that you don't understand. Although I certainly don't wish it on you, when and if you do have an autistic child, perhaps you will find the courage to break out of your dogma.
Fuck you Xeno.
I watched it with my own eyes on my eldest son. As mouth breather insisted to my x that my boy needed an extra mmr 1 week after he had already recieved it. They wouldn't let her leave the drs office and I was out of town. He went from a healthy 18 month old to a non talking won't look you in the eye kid in 3 months. You can take your scientific studies and pound them. That was the beginning of my eyes being opened. Once again fuck you on someone else getting to decide what anyone does with their body and their children. All of your arguments mean nothing compared to what my eyes saw.
I don't believe you. Take your bullshit story and go back to www.vaccinemenacekills.com
You lost me when I saw the appeal to authority had a .gov top level domain.
Herd immunity is a make believe theory not a factual objective measured parameter or variable. Epigenetic susceptibility to any and many variants of infections in the bacterial or virological realm is what makes or breaks our personal resistance. Vaccinations are toxicologically poisonous and damage multiple organ systems throughout the human and mammalian body. Thus risks of death are indicated as a possible side-effect of any vaccine.
Nonsensical gibberish.
Really, my background is in organic chemistry and toxicology. Yours?
If everybody is an expert than nobody is. So please xenofrog tell me what chemistry/biochemistry background did you graduate with.
It is hard to break indoctrination, as Xeno displays.
A focus on health, rather than disease "prevention" should be the main objective. This simple axiom has become twisted over time, sadly.
I'm quite sure your background in bullshit is extensive. Scan your masters in biochem and then send it to me. Until then, your pathetic attempt to appeal to authority is lame.
Are you a pharmaceutical rep...???
Are you selling vials of sugar water to terrified soccer moms?
I believe in health, durability and adaptability - all of which the human body displays quite nicely on it's own.
No need to throw a sales pitch to soccer moms... I'm a healthy, verile guy who they'll talk to without any arguing for it :)
a healthy vile human being who would rather we have polio wards in hospitals again than give any money to "Big Pharm".
Have fun watching your kid die slowly from whooping cough.
Nice fear preaching - I hope you find peace and happiness in life, despite your misgivings!
Fear preaching, like screaming about how vaccines are poison and how you should buy magical homeopathic remedies (that have been proven no more effective than placebo)?
I hope you some day get to take responsibiilty for putting people at unnecessary risk.
I have screamed only about being healthy - are you taking the other side of that argument???
I hope YOU someday get to take responsibility for putting people at unnecessary risk.
Answer his question shill? What are you? A bot? A pharma paid troll?
Infinite - I get that same feeling on here sometimes, as though it may be a bot, or a bot that reponds most of the time and a shill that bats clean up. Some other posters come to mind as well (...)
Please don't procreate...
"Until then, your pathetic attempt to appeal to authority is lame."
Says this shithead who links to CDC.
Also, Fuck You.
Somewhat OT:
"In the mid-1950s, and again a decade later, the Army used motorized blowers atop a low-income housing high-rise, at schools and from the backs of station wagons to send a potentially dangerous compound into the already-hazy air in predominantly black areas of St. Louis.
Local officials were told at the time that the government was testing a smoke screen that could shield St. Louis from aerial observation in case the Russians attacked."
..."I'm wondering if it got into our system," Spates said. "When I heard about the testing, I thought, 'Oh my God. If they did that, there's no telling what else they're hiding.'"
http://news.yahoo.com/secret-cold-war-tests-st-louis-raise-concerns-2146...
I utilized a source and provided the source. Something anti-vaxxers cannot do because all their information comes from anti-vaxx sites that peddle sugar water cures for autism.
You have to be pretty stupid/troll to continue piling on this thread with your bullshit.
Let me quickly draw attention back to this one example of the CIA's false vaccine operations coming to light, the topic of this article.
For being so OT, Fuck You. For assuming so much about everyone who disagrees with you, Fuck You.
For being a petty tyrant, flailing about like an idiot on an internet comment board, Fuck You.
And for supporting a "health organization" who publicly roots itself and finds its history intrinsic to biological warfare, Fuck You.
Now Fuck Off.
OT (2010):
http://www.ctvnews.ca/feds-eyeing-online-forums-to-correct-misinformatio...
http://youtu.be/TJgv39GtcJ0
Cute calling me a petty tyrant, flailing about, when you can't stop saying, "fuck you" as if you were on a playground where people might actually respond to such nonsense.
You did respond! Oh, and fuck you! LOL!
A response would be to drop to your level. What a shock that you're quick to collapse to deliberate obtuseness.
We're deep in a now dead thread, but I'm gonna tell you something you don't know; Your education has blinded you to obvious truth. You view the world through your lens of academia, but haven't the first clue of how shit actually works. Chances are, you are a tv reporter from an obscure burg in flyover country. The question remains; Do you think the 'hicks' you preach to actually buy into your special brand of bullshit? I'll bet not.
Yes, Pruitt-Igoe...
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Sodium thiopental/variants marketed as Pentothal (truth juice) used [narcosynthesis] @ Gitmo, by MI6/Mossfuckingodd/C-IA et. al...
Excellent work by Leopold, J for the above
also
see list of superfund sites
also: Republic Waste Management
" Mallinkrodt/Manhattan Project (Race to "refine" U238->Fissle grade U-Isotopes
Don't know how to post PDF/Pics which are hosted @ private server. Maybe for the best, need 60% sulphuric acid eye/brain wash, images are vomit-inducing
Yes, this is all a bit o/t
says a POS
Ah, you are one of these new witch doctors who borrowed a fortune to be "trained" that there is a magic pill produced in some lab for every ill I presume? Please, please, first do no harm.....
Really, my background is in organic chemistry and toxicology. Yours?
Narrow minded pinhead....
Wait, so tell me are you just as capable and competent to build a bridge like a civil engineer. Are you as capable of synthesizing a complex drug product in lab with no prior experience nor education in the chemical sciences. Now I'm confused, because you must be able to do anything, such as construct a nuclear bomb just off the top of your head. Shit, and I'm narrow minded.
!forgive
That was in no way directed at you...
I take my hat off, for that response tho...
I am wondering about Xeno's zealous lack of vision on this matter. 1 to many vaxxes is my guess...
When 99% of doctors agree, and 150+ years of vaccine data support the fact that they work, I'm going to go ahead and accept that they work. Lack of vision indeed. You guys have nothing but garbage constantly recycled between websites in an incestuous circle of nonsense pretending to be science. You define the lack of vision, and a zealotry that rivals the luddites.
"When 99% of doctors agree ...". There we go, the infamous appeal to authority. When 99% agree that the Earth is the center of the universe etc etc., you had better agree, or finish up like Gallileo.
As soon as you see the Appeal To Authority, you can assume it is wrong. 99% of the time.
It's just a shame that you people are the ones clinging to the bad science long after the rest of the world moved on from thinking the earth was the center of the universe. The Hubble Telescope is just part of the conspiracy! Stop supporting "BIG SPACE"! It's all just a trick to get you to buy little toy space shuttles!
I'd actually pay to see Luddites perform in an incestuous circle of nonsense.
Of course, being Luddites, I expect their use of props to be absent or minimal, at best.
Big pharma troll bot. Paid by the word.
I'll add that to the list of things i've been accused of being after i've disagreed with something this hugbox held dear. I cannot believe some of the retarded shit you guys believe. It is actually so disappointing that it's made me question my stances in areas where we do agree. If you could be so deluded and stupid about vaccines, could I possibly be equally deluded and stupid about the menace of the Fed? or Gold/Silver manipulation?
It's concerning to say the least.
Yeah, you should be concerned about how fucking stupid/troll you appear to be throughout this entire thread.
Now is a really good time to start verifying information yourself, doing your own homework and drawing some of your own conclusions, you ignorant fuck.
Did I mention flailing around like an idiot?
Toxicosis wrote: "Herd immunity is a make believe theory not a factual objective measured parameter or variable." fine
then "Epigenetic susceptibility to any and many variants of infections in the bacterial or virological realm is what makes or breaks our personal resistance. Vaccinations are toxicologically poisonous and damage multiple organ systems throughout the human and mammalian body. Thus risks of death are indicated as a possible side-effect of any vaccine." also fine
yet in general, my understanding is that (in a historical perspective) vaccines are a success story
of course they do bear risks, and every vaccine is a story for itself
yet damning vaccines in general does not look to me as a solution to the issues we confront. are you doing this? or is your post only meant to keep the facts on the ground?
take polio shots: I can understand that many parents feel they are not necessary anymore, and that the risks of vaccinating don't match the risks of catching polio. they have, after all, usually not witnessed polio. but I can assure you not long ago polio was something quite nasty, for which we were all very thankful that vaccines were available. and they worked, to the point that they might be debatable, nowadays
meanwhile polio is coming back, in Pakistan, and this damn CIA operation was beyond criminal
I'm pretty suspicious of many vaccines myself, because of all the crap (like thiomersal) they put in them, that wind up getting directly injected into the bloodstream.. Having said that... I was vaccinated against polio orally via a dosed sugar cube. Isn't this how they do it anymore?
The human body is fully capable of defending itself from various viruses and bacterial problems. Some people will die or sustain lifetime effects, however, the specie will become stronger by breeding out weakness. As terrible as the Black Death was, it only affected 15-20% of the population and gradually disappeared. While it still rears its' head, it is minimalized now.
When we intercede we stop the process of adaptation, we render all humans weaker for the effort. We may, infact destroy a golden opportunity whereby a human's body develops the kind of protection that, if spread, will eliminate an effect. Anti-biotics are a classic example of science creating an agent that can now be untreatable.
Science seeks first an economic benefit, then deals with the failures with a mea culpa. Hardly the kind of behavior we should be taking for granted. Big Pharma only wants your money, it benefits from a compromised immune system.
Sean7k, in principle I'd be willing to agree with you. particularly on Big Pharma
yet most classic vaccinations do nothing else than giving a defense template to your immune system, by giving it a sniff at the enemy, in form of a weakened sample
antibiotics are a completely different theme, and there I agree with you. currently being used as if they were candy, and there will be a terrible price to pay
They may do nothing at all. We may be attributing success to something that the body was already capable of defending against. The only "real" successes may be weak people who will then breed similar weaknesses back into the population. There is a reason we attempt to breed out weaknesses in livestock. It makes the rest of our herd stronger.
If I have a cow with a narrow birthing channel or sudstandard buttermilk composition, I would be a fool to breed her. Thus, doing a caesarian or using foreceps may birth a calf, but it will probably kill the mother and the calf, if she lives to breed.
We often lose our objectivity when we discuss humans, but to ignore what nature has created and survived with is folly indeed. When we stop making war for financial benefit, I will listen to "we must safe the children" diatribes.We are quite content to anchor them with debt slavery. Provide meaningless education and toxic food and water. Yet, we must vaccinate them? Do we have a vaccine for the State?
Let me guess, you believe the economy would be much worse had the FED not interved also. Fuckin' do gooders trying to fix things that have a way of fixing themselves.
interesting that the vaccine-lovers so often seem to describe humanity as a 'herd'...
We're animals. Get over it.
Excellent question. Xeno, you should get a job with the government. You clearly know how to help people, particularly when they aren't interested in your help.
Major loss of commentator credibility, I'd say.
(xeno) paid by the post? obviously not fooling many around here. think about it... the ownership of big pharma overlaps with the big banks. does anyone here thing that big banks are out to help humanity? why the hell would big pharma be any different? run away, far away from anything big pharma is selling... its all bullshit. the dark truth about vaccinations and much of mainstream medicine, is that vaccines are designed to hide the human immune reation to certain unspeakable shit that 'they' are up to. sounds crazy, until you do a lot of digging. but just look at how sick kids are these days... dark times.
And how do we know you're not paid to post? This is so fucking stupid I cannot believe you idiots bring it up like it's some clever idea any time someone doesn't fit into your little hugbox echo chamber. Oh no, someone disagrees with me. They must be a paid government employee/zionist/commie/obamunist/whatever.
I wouldn't put all vaccines in the same box. Polio is a really nasty disease and its occurance has plummeted since they started vaccinating against it... same as small pox & tetanus.
But when it comes to diseases that are rarely fatal or damaging, ambivalence is justified. There is simply no reliable way to test the long-term effects of things like thiomersal, and the fact we know mercury is toxic suggests we shouldn't be injecting it directly into kids' bloodstreams. I have yet to see any double-blind research that compares side-effects from those additive chemicals vs placebo; you'd never get such research past an ethics commitee, particularly if you were doing it via vaccines, as the belief in the effectiveness of vaccines by the medical establishment is pretty much 100%.
Have you read "Silent Spring?"
But I would put the process in the same box. We see short term results that appear favorable,but ignore long term effects. Big Pharma is a classic example of profit before cure. Further, there are unintended consequences. When you create out of ignorance you jeopardize the future.
Nature has always had short term means for resolving population issues. When we interdict these actions, we start down a path that may eventually be much worse. The effects drugs will have on the population is going to be tragic. Not just in terms of cost and poverty, but in additional ailments and disease caused by the drugs and drug combinations we don't understand.
Look at the elderly. Many are taking 12 to 14 different drugs. The average person over 50 is on at least one drug. For example, I went into a lumber yard with my father-in-law. He was recovering from a third back operation, all three men at the counter has all had one or more back operations- all three younger than I by ten to twenty years.
Now, realize, doctors have almost NO understanding of what causes back pain. You have to know a doctor to find this out. Which is why multiple operations are not unusual. More people are killed in hospitals by mistakes than any other cause in America- it is the #1 killer.
They say the only back operation you don't need is the first one.
Polio and smallpox have been around for thousands of years and were killing millions of people. It's all very well saying the human herd will be stronger if we let these diseases do their thing, but I for one would prefer my child has a polio vaccine - one that hasn't got thiomersal et al in it, naturally - than sacrifice his health for some abstract ideal like improvement of the species.
Note: I am far more ambivalent about the less dangerous/damaging diseases - like measles.
You want to risk the life and health of your children so that polio has a chance of improving the human genome by killing them? Your choice.
Fuck the stupid U.S. government for sacrificing innocent little kids AGAIN for some stupid intelligence objective.
Droning the innocent little babes, or providing grist for the Taliban "Polio vaccine makes Muslim Men sterile" mill.
J.H.C. what a bunch of gutless, soul-less, brainless dopes we have in positions of power!
And in the position of voters.
Well, would voting left or right in our corrupt crony kleptoligarchy matter?
I think not, I believe not, and it appears it would not.
I know the Obama voters thought it would be.
"Nobel Peace Prize" for what?
Politics is the distraction.
The voters could vote for the libertarian party, or any candidate who foreswore the warfare/welfare state.
Ultimately, the citizenry get the government they deserve... in aggregate.
Too bad for all the non-interventionists who have to abide by the decisions of the brainwashed majority, tho.
the "voting" meme pre-occupies the minds, and delays critical thinking by inducing the artificial "choose a Team" thinking.
not to mention the "wait 2 to 4 years" to make your "choice" for "change"
meanwhile.