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Martin Armstrong Warns Out Of Control Unions Are The Real Poison Pill Of Western Society

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics blog,

Unions-1960s

Unions have been the real plague of society. There is not much they have not really destroyed. They wiped out New York City as a port. No ships dock in New York City any more. They serious reduced the American auto industry reducing quality that opened the door for foreign cars. The big three US auto manufactures are General Motors (NYSE:GM), with 17.9 percent market share, Ford (NYSE:F), with 15.9 percent market share, and Chrysler, with 11.5 percent market share. That is just 45.3% with the rest going to foreign. Toyota (NYSE:TM) alone has 14.3 percent market share.

The unions are probably worse in Philadelphia than anywhere. They are driving the city’s Convention Center into the brink of bankruptcy because of their arrogant demands. We had to cancel our conference there because we were not allowed to hire a video company that was not local Philadelphia Union. The German film crew that has been making this move would not be allowed to have their own people. We had to cancel and move. When we called the Marriott with just 1 week to the event, they asked why were we cancelling? The unions?

The Construction Unions are basically criminal organizations. They threaten people who do not use union labor and now a bunch of people are getting indicted for such violent activity. These unions have been destroying equipment of competing firms that are not union. They have goon squads that intimidate people.

The days when unions were necessary to ensure working conditions are long gone. There are all sorts of laws in place that unions are no longer necessary. Nevertheless, we are looking at a major rise in civil unrest coming primarily from state unions. These are teachers ro bureaucrats all demanding more and refusing to reduce their demands. This system is just unsustainable. They have attack advertisements in Pennsylvania blaming school violent on cutting teachers. Governor Christie cannot fund the pensions of state workers. When he said the unions have to give back, they said no – they want more.

Roman-Army

The problem is that the only way to pay these unions is to raise taxes. That reduces the disposable income and robs the citizen of their future to fund state workers. It was the unfunded pensions that caused the collapse of the Roman Empire and it wiped out the city of Detroit. More than 50% of tax revenue went to pensions and that means you cannot fund government without it shrinking.

This is the poison pill that will destroy Western Society. This hunt for taxes will destroy the economy and will not save the day in the end game. Just do the math.

 

 

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Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:00 | 4782363 de3de8
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No, they are necessary to build quality GM vehicles

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:02 | 4782378 NotApplicable
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Unions are no different than any other gang.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:04 | 4782386 Uchtdorf
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The bankster gang has done far more damage to society than labor unions.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:05 | 4782392 James_Cole
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The days when unions were necessary to ensure working conditions are long gone. There are all sorts of laws in place that unions are no longer necessary.

Gee wiz, wonder who got those laws passed?

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:11 | 4782423 profchaos
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Union membership and effective tax rates are both at their lowest levels in several generations, so I recommend the OP choose different bogeymen.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:14 | 4782442 Pladizow
Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:22 | 4782469 SRSrocco
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Martin Armstrong normall has a lot of smart things to say, however this is not one of them.  While the Unions are sucking from the Great Govt Teat, so are the wealthy.

Unfortunately, this is only a mere SYMPTOM of the disease.  The real posion pill for the United States is PEAK OIL, FALLING EROI and the DECLINE OF NET OIL EXPORTS.

Martin seems obilvious to the notion that the FALLING EROI destroyed Rome as it will the United States.  Martin never mentions PEAK OIL.  Everything to Armstrong is the Govt, Unions and corruption.

Thiis is the problem with most analysts.  They fail to understand that ENERGY is the key factor to our problems.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:25 | 4782475 synergize
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Agreed - can name 10 other more detrimental things to society than labor unions in no particular order (other than the Fed):

Federal Reserve, bankers, fiat money system, corporate controlled media, insurance companies, republicans, democrats, military industrial complex, CNBC... 

Horrible article

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:29 | 4782504 john39
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crappy article... more divide and conquer propaganda.  sure unions suck these days, but no where close to core problem... central banking/fiat money. 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:50 | 4782574 0b1knob
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The Roman army was unionized?  Who knew?

And unions are responsible for all economic problems?  Not bankers, militarists, clueless politicians and global warming idiots?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:59 | 4782598 McMolotov
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I have a bit of a problem taking him seriously since he apparently can't differentiate between public sector unions and private sector unions. Even FDR warned against having unionized government employees.

Private sector unions are a whole other thing. And while it's obvious they have their own faults, in a true free market, they act as a counterbalancing force and are nowhere near as dangerous as government itself (which, unfortunately, has destroyed the free market).

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:16 | 4782672 jbvtme
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public employee unions...cops, teachers, bureaucrats. nasty

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:27 | 4782718 taketheredpill
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Unions were necessary once upon a time to get certain worker rights like 5 day work weeks, 8 hour days, safe working conditions, no child labor etc.  People died for that.

 

Now we imports goods from India and China and we export middle-class jobs and sweat shops.

 

Maybe if we cut corporate taxes some more, and keep bailing out the banks for a little longer, things will eventually get better.

 

And last I checked, Union membership has dropped from over 30% to closer to 10%, and yet things aren't improving.

 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:34 | 4782742 McMolotov
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From the BLS: In 2013, "Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (35.3 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.7 percent)."

It's quite possible we'd be better off if those rates were reversed.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:46 | 4783303 Stackers
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The one and only thing I agree with Franklin Roosevelt on is the abomination known as Public Sector Unions.

 

FDR - Aug 16, 1937

...... meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

 

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:05 | 4783347 Keyser
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Armstrong deserves the Captain Obvious moniker by telling us something we have already known for 60 years... The most abject example of what unions leave behind is Detroit, once the wealthiest city in the US, now a blight on the landscape... 

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 03:01 | 4783986 fx
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Last time I checked, countries with high unionization rates (Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Switzerland...) were doing pretty fine. That being said, contrary to Mr Armstrong's claims, the power of unions has been on a retreat in the face of globalization.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 07:32 | 4784151 Keyser
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Perhaps European unions are not as greedy as their US counterparts because unions have been the death of US manufacturing for half a century in the US... 

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 07:37 | 4784163 Ghordius
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correct, unions in continental europe are more or less sensible. though, re your comment: do unions decide on where to shift or offshore labour? or is it a management decision?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:33 | 4782741 Xibalba
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I mean...those nasty SAG-AFTRA members are destroying civilization!!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 00:30 | 4783841 franciscopendergrass
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Those fuckers are the ones that put out this movie, Elysium, which is an advocate of universal healthcare and class warfare.  This marxist piece of shit movie had one of its characters resembling Che Guevara.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The propaganda arm of the left, Hollywood and MSM.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:49 | 4783004 JuliaS
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Public sector union votes itself wages out of other people's pockets and sells votes in exchange for political favors.

Private sector unions haggle back in forth, with greed typically resulting in either company bankruptcy or relocation. Private sector unions drive jobs away, but only their own. Public sector stays where it is until every other form of business is drained of capital and there's nothing left but unions and politicians.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:08 | 4783072 Stuck on Zero
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It's not just unions.  The Government has evolved from a friendly state that respected individual rights into a monster that only recognizes group rights.

If you don't belong to the right group you have no rights.

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:18 | 4783094 JuliaS
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Unions and governments pull eachother strings. Votes in exchange for money. They're extensions of eachother.

As for having no rights outside of group, that's what a democracy is. Even without labor unions and liberal lobbyists it's a pretty shitty system.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:46 | 4783304 Lux Fiat
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The Government has evolved from a friendly state that respected individual rights into a monster that only recognizes group rights.

Hmmm... your view of history and mine, US included, are quite different.  The signers of the Constitution understood the inherent threat to individual rights that government, ispo facto, poses, and did their best to place gov't in perpetual shackles.  That experiment, from where I sit, has failed.

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:58 | 4783191 PT
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McM:  Perhaps the public sector unions kept up with inflation while the private sector unions didn't.

In the time it took me to increase my value in the workforce by 40% (through gaining extra skills - no union involved), the price of real estate went up by 400%.  In the first year in which I made average yearly earnings, the price of the average house went up by average yearly earnings.   How is this even possible?  (Don't answer, I know the answer now.)  All gains, whether made through unions or self-sacrifice have been totally obliterated by slack lending practices and bankster bailouts.  Hard work or no hard work, union or no union, you can't compete against a mob of idiots and the friendly banksters that lend to them. You identify what you can afford, the idiots bid higher and outbid you.  You wait for an idiot to go bankrupt, he gets replaced by another idiot.  You wait for a bank to go bankrupt, it gets bailed out.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:12 | 4783219 MeelionDollerBogus
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There's only 1 kind of global-warming idiot: the kind who says there isn't any while burning all the fuel that causes all the warming.
Yes, we can and do measure the warming every day on this planet & the CO2 &  methane pollution causing it.
It's proven, it's measurable.
To deny it is  the height of stupidity, like saying inflation is 0.1 % or saying that Treasuries have value because they have the full backing of the USA unlike "gold, which is backed by nothing".
You're the "gold is backed by nothing" girl when you say there's no global warming.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:57 | 4783335 PT
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Plus the fact that the fuel is getting burnt, that sorta adds heat to the equation too.  Plus the fact that every human being on the planet generates heat so that we don't die from being too cold.  I've always wondered what we replaced.  Is the warmth generated greater than what we replaced?

Yes, I know, these two effects are insignificant in comparison to the ones you mentioned.  (Are they?  I ran the numbers once but I can't remember the answer.  Might be time to do it again.  Yes, I do do that kind of stuff for fun, yes the calculations are only rough, no, other people get drunk instead.  They are the boring ones  Drunkenness just makes evil and mundane-ness look interesting.)

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 23:13 | 4783696 MeelionDollerBogus
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provided we can find enough endothermic reactions to go with the heat maybe there is no problem but for climate change itself it's so massive, everywhere, you'll end up with massive storm systems, changes of where rain goes or won't fall again for decades, and while that may leave a net energy balance it still fucks us pretty bad considering the work we put into farms. If humans were more migratory as in our deeper past perhaps we truly wouldn't care.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:32 | 4784351 Sean7k
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I think it is important to separate the scam (governmental abuse and tyranny, carbon credits, etc) from the reality. Is the climate changing? Yes. Causes? Multiple. Your ability to effect the outcome: negligible.

As long as climate change is used to manipulate the population into a set of behaviors which benefit the Elites, it is merely another tool of tyranny.

My solution is simple: I bought a large farm, with plenty of fresh water and 50" of rain a year. I farm organically and live in a manner that minimizes my effects on planet earth. I am a "positive" addition to the stability of planet earth. I brought back the natural flora and fauna and protect them. I'm bio-dynamic. 

Now, what have YOU done? (not just you MDB) 

Talk is cheap.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 08:19 | 4787966 MeelionDollerBogus
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Our methane & co2 industrial output far surpasses that of nature & when we add in the arctic thawing it's beyond possible for us to survive it.
We have had 30 years to fully control this and only denial has stopped us. I think it's already too late but potentially there's still some control possible.
Fuel burning needs to stop. There are other ways to use the energy in fuel & there's lots of ways to live without using so much fuel at all.
What I've done is garden (helping others, haven't had land to do my own) and cut fuel use by having no car & traveling less. And by "less" I mean I don't ever travel for "vacation" (I can't afford vacations), just less for work.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:02 | 4782626 caShOnlY
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 more divide and conquer propaganda

awesome statement!  W.st. and corps have done an awesome job of gutting the smaller unions and shops by selling us the mantra "it's too expensive" to make here. OH REALLY? how did only Dad have to work back in the 50's 60's and some of the 70's while supporting mom, 2 kids, a car and a home while still going on vacation living a fun life?

Wait, don't look at the FED debasing the dollar to blame, nope must be them dam unions (same ones that were there in the 50's, 60's and 70's)!! 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:31 | 4782712 Bay of Pigs
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Fuck you Marty, you fucking sellout. Rolled over to get out of prison, and then bashed gold for a living and now blames unions too.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:31 | 4783122 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Is it just me, or did he write better stuff on a typewriter in prison?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:37 | 4783137 caShOnlY
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Is it just me, or did he write better stuff on a typewriter in prison?

without taking it up the shoot daily Marty has no way to clear his "writer's block".   I almost get the feeling Marty has flipped to the dark side, maybe they cut a deal with him for early release?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 22:09 | 4783525 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Maybe Marty is the new Harry Wanger just trying to stir shit up.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:04 | 4782851 bbq on whitehou...
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If you grab a copperhead by the tail do you expect to get bit?
Same with the artical. Still it has value as philosophy. What should
be the limits of the mob, or group discounts.
Whos story is best served. That of the working father or that of the
working child.
There are many stories in this world, and all are worthy.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 03:10 | 4783990 ebear
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Pander Bear.  A legend in his own mind.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:34 | 4782509 ZerOhead
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Cheap and abundant ENERGY (plus an opposable thumb digit and slightly better than chimpanzee intelligence) is what has given us the high standards of living of modern civilization.

One day people will figure that out. Probably after it's gone...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:51 | 4782579 0b1knob
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You can have my thumbs when you pry them out of my cold dead hands.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:57 | 4782602 ZerOhead
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Happiness is a warm thumb...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:12 | 4782657 stant
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If my lab had thumbs he'd be running the fed instead of ole yellen

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:21 | 4782689 machineh
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And then he'd be luckier than a two-dicked dog.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:00 | 4782615 NidStyles
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Thumbs and an allergic reaction to inflation would both be great evolutionary measure for whichever species takes our place as we slide backwards on the evolutionary ladder once again.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 00:11 | 4783814 Anusocracy
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Hopefully it will be the machines.

They won't have millions of years genetic savagery built into their operating systems.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:09 | 4782649 Maxter
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You got it. Energy is what matter. I am hoping for the day where we all have infinite non centralized cheap energy. I am not holding my breath, but this is what will save our modern society. With enough energy you can pretty much do everything. For exemple, no more fresh water problem.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:23 | 4782695 James_Cole
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I am hoping for the day where we all have infinite non centralized cheap energy. I am not holding my breath, but this is what will save our modern society.

Conservation (dirty word) is the only current semi-realistic option. 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:37 | 4782953 TheAnswerIs42
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You're right, but let's add population control to the mix and see what happens...

(both ain't gonna happen - we are doomed).

 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:45 | 4783003 Quus Ant
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 Bacterial growth follows four phases. When a population of bacteria first enter a high-nutrient environment that allows growth, the cells need to adapt to their new environment. The first phase of growth is the lag phase , a period of slow growth when the cells are adapting to the high-nutrient environment and preparing for fast growth. The lag phase has high biosynthesis rates, as proteins necessary for rapid growth are produced.The second phase of growth is the log phase, also known as the logarithmic or exponential phase. The log phase is marked by rapid exponential growth. The rate at which cells grow during this phase is known as the growth rate, and the time it takes the cells to double is known as the generation time. During log phase, nutrients are metabolised at maximum speed until one of the nutrients is depleted and starts limiting growth. The third phase of growth is the stationary phase and is caused by depleted nutrients. The cells reduce their metabolic activity and consume non-essential cellular proteins. The stationary phase is a transition from rapid growth to a stress response state and there is increased expression of genes involved in DNA repair, antioxidant metabolism and nutrient transport.The final phase is where the bacteria runs out of nutrients and dies.

bummer.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:46 | 4783472 TheAnswerIs42
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+1000

As above, so below.

Reality is a fractal.

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:38 | 4784494 Sean7k
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Perhaps most of the bacteria dies, but some survive or go inactive until sufficient nutrients can be accessed. They have a survival mechanism. The system is dynamic. Thanks for the post.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:21 | 4782471 synergize
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Nonsense

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:25 | 4782472 ZerOhead
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"It was the unfunded pensions that caused the collapse of the Roman Empire and it wiped out the city of Detroit"

Quite a statement after he just posted a graph showing the increasing number of Roman soldiers before the ultimate collapse of the Roman Empire.

You know... considering who profited most from the conquest of territorial expansionism... (hint: generals, Senators and friends of the Emperor...)

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:05 | 4782632 August
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First, it was Rome.  Then the Classic Maya... Easter Island... Detroit.

Fucking unions.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:46 | 4782985 813kml
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Unions also sank Atlantis, plus their shoddy workmanship allowed Skywalker to destroy the Death Star.

And, the mofos made me burn my toast this morning.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:17 | 4782456 Save_America1st
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Gee, thanks Mr. Armstrong for pointing one main problem with part of our society for us...Captain Obvious to the rescue. 

Now go out on the lecture circuit to all the major university campuses and give 'em hell!  I'm sure they'd be just thrilled to let you exercise your 1st Amendment right to speak of the evil unions in front of their indebted sheeple/captive students.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:25 | 4782490 TheCanadianAustrian
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I couldn't bother to read more than about 2 sentences into this "article". Sorry, but if you can't manage to keep your spelling/grammar mistakes under 1 per sentence, don't expect me to pay attention to what you have to say.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:32 | 4782735 BigJim
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Because unions have forced up prices of 1.333 MHz RAM, he can't afford a spellchecker on his CP/M hosted OmniSeer Market Forecaster.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:30 | 4782728 oklaboy
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in public sector jobs union membership has risen. See NJ. The unions have killed all of the private sector participants, and now have basically unlimted access to tax money.  that is th ebasis of this article, and well founded. Not that all of the other points being made are not relevant. An dto poin tout, most gubmint benefits to employees are modeled after union contracts.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:14 | 4783229 gatorengineer
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@ prof chaos BULLSHIT... SEIU and NEA have NEVER been stronger in membership or clout.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 22:34 | 4783599 Morla
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I think he's referring mostly to public unions, we know private union membership is low.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:18 | 4782431 NoDebt
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Unions are just another arm of the "no accountability" society we've become.  Screw up?  Who cares!  Nobody gets fired, nobody gets punished or dinged pay.  I got my hand out... put something in it.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:38 | 4782470 James_Cole
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Unions are just another arm of the "no accountability" society we've become.  Screw up?  Who cares?  Nobody gets fired, nobody gets punished or dinged pay. 

Probably you are talking about management. There's only so much screwing up your average labourer can do on an assembly line etc.

But let's say your point is true, is that really the genesis of the 'no accountability' society you're referring to? Cause the 'math' Armstrong alludes to doesn't add up. 

http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Union-percent-1950-...

Another couple points because I often go on and on about this..

Is there anyone on here willing to claim that the American products built today are better than the products made in the 50-60s? Coming out of China today? That Ikea cookware (made in asia) is better than German cookware made by tradesmen? 

Not that there's a direct correlation, but it's relatable. 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:43 | 4782774 The Blank Stare
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My folks (ages 76/83) went back to using their bread toaster they bought back in the 60's, cuz it's the only one they found that still works as a toaster should. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the unions decision to cheapen the quality of home appliances.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:57 | 4783028 gmrpeabody
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Management had to design cheaper toasters to pay for the 10 weeks vacation the union demanded. Oh, and 4 more weeks for "family leave". I spent over 35 years in unions..., I know how they operate. And most stewards never worked, they were so involved with the day to day business of being a steward.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:47 | 4783167 James_Cole
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Management had to design cheaper toasters to pay for the 10 weeks vacation the union demanded. 

Yeah, and then they were forced to send the jobs to sweatshops in china in order to pay for lazy union vacations... er wait. 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:18 | 4783236 gatorengineer
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James you are confusing products that are made by people who still give a shit versus people who dont.  Union or non union it doesnt matter.  Some of the finest audiophile stereo gear is now made in china.  Some of the worst cars ever made are made in america....  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:56 | 4784554 Sean7k
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james, product quality is a function of what people will accept and how much they are willing to pay. I have a set of fine german chisels- the cost was three times what comparable american or chinese chisels would have cost. If I have to install one door, a cheap chisel will do, if I have to install 100 doors or work on a lathe, I might prefer to invest in better equipment.

Further, in past days, people did not consume nor buy as many products as we do today. Anyone who grew up in the fifties knows they could always park the car in the garage. They also know there were crappy houses and fine examples of workmanship. Ever do re-modeling of an older home? The quality was lousy, the wood, while full dimension, was rough and unfinished. Concrete foundations cracked and separated because no rebar was used. 

If people built homes sized for their income rather than their hopes and dreams, they could afford better quality and maybe local artisans and craftsmenship. In a rush to "have it all" we buy cheap knockoffs and hope to fool our neighbors. 

The Elites will always attempt to enslave and abuse the population. As people, we need to recognize this and reward Elites whom offer us the best opportunities with the least amount of theft and abuse. No slavemaster will ever grant you freedom, just the illusion of an improving life. You have to be the one to step up and secede from the union of tyranny.

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:22 | 4782476 Mark Urbo
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Unions always have and always will be a cancer upon America...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:22 | 4782477 Mark Urbo
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Unions always have and always will be a cancer upon America...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:41 | 4782546 ebworthen
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Without the banker brain tumors and .gov lymphoma the pre-cancerous skin tags of Unions would not be a problem.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:57 | 4782605 WillyGroper
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I too witnessed this, but that was remedied once management neutered them & began to hold workers accountable by firing their lazy ass.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:15 | 4782441 max2205
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Math don't work when they are printing...you do.that math

 

Most will starve in old age while the blood sucker unions will get something and the FSA everything. 

 

It's not looking good regardless

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:25 | 4782707 Frilton Miedman
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How is it possible, at a time of disparity not seen since 1929 while yet corporate profits are at a record, that you're focused on higher waged union workers, rather than banksters, and corporate executives making 400X median wages?

To be clear, I'm not pro union, but seriously, is now the time to exact envy on one of the only reasonably paid working class left?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:34 | 4782747 BigJim
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ZH has anti-bankster articles 5 times a fucking day. Having the occasional article bashing other parasites seems pretty reasonable to me.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:00 | 4783039 gmrpeabody
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+100

We have more than one problem..., we need to discuss more than one solution.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:45 | 4782779 Slave
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Simple math, really.

 

A handful of executives making a few million more than they should

vs

Tens of thousands of union workers making tens of thousands more than they should

 

The answer becomes obvious. But it's all a sideshow, as described in comments above.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:24 | 4782484 SAT 800
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Is this forum responsive to its members? Can we vote to bar martin Armstrong, (fartin brainweak), for life? I'm serious. this is the intellectual equivalent of a 9-11 coverup. Martin wants you to look at the Union Passport he found on the sidewalk in perfect condition and ignore the series of timed detonations coming from bldg. 7.  So; Martin, exactly how did Unions destroy 95% of the value of the national currency since 1913 ?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:22 | 4782694 Cheduba
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I think the Tylers make posts sometimes to be ironic and just to highlight some of the current thought processes out there.  Also to rile up us commentors.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:28 | 4782722 Bay of Pigs
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It appears Armstrong took over for Chuck Biderman here at ZH.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:59 | 4783032 August
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>>>It appears Armstrong took over for Chuck Biderman here at ZH.

Pay to play, I suppose, just like "Sovereign Simon" Black.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 03:20 | 4783996 ebear
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Nawww, they're just running out of material.  You get what you pay for.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 22:20 | 4783563 Cliff Claven Cheers
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SAT 800

Is this forum responsive to its members? Can we vote to bar martin Armstrong, (fartin brainweak), for life? I'm serious. this is the intellectual equivalent of a 9-11 coverup. Martin wants you to look at the Union Passport he found on the sidewalk in perfect condition and ignore the series of timed detonations coming from bldg. 7.  So; Martin, exactly how did Unions destroy 95% of the value of the national currency since 1913 ?

 

Best belly laugh I have had in a week.. Thanks.


Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:51 | 4782581 orez65
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"Gee wiz, wonder who got those laws passed?"

Mainly the Unions, but they have now gone to the "dark side".

Just like Alan Greenspan did.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:01 | 4782619 Stoploss
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Obviously the people fucked over by the unions??

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:50 | 4783171 MeelionDollerBogus
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You knows it!

Itz tha welfares that makes us po'

and the yoon-yunz that destroyz our jobs

You have to be a banksta to do gawd's work!

Long live da bankstas

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:05 | 4782984 kill switch
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The days when unions were necessary to ensure working conditions are long gone.

So now fucking Phd's are flipping hamburgers???? We no longer need equitable working conditions after NAFTA/GAAT????? Lets get rid of the unions so we can all serve the WALL STREET cock suckers.....I must admit that the unions are irrelevant because we have been SOLD THE FUCK OUT!!!!! We have a wonderful world economy and it's working like fucking clockwork.....We have now entered the need for this fucking discredited entity called UNIONS our only strike back force..Or we can be subjected to the poverty from the fucking HAMPTONS.......I'm not buying the fucking HAMPTONS... Margaritas!!! anyone?

Back then it was the poison pill,,,but today general strike!!! shut the fucking place down and band together....Or where all FUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!

Tyler posts things we should discuss but it doesn’t afford his signature...Which is what ZH is all about...thanx TYLER

Thanx all the Tylers!!!

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:12 | 4782426 Anusocracy
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And the apex predator, government, does far more damage than any of its spawn.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:04 | 4782539 Rainman
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I hate to break it to you, but government and unions are as one.

Most USSA union members work for .gov

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html?_r=0

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:54 | 4782820 graneros
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It's maddening to me that you had to point this out.  That folks, particularly here on ZH, can't seem to grasp that simple fact is amazing.  Unions can not exist without the threat of violence that comes from the barrel of a gun wielded by our wonderful govt. My guess is most folks here have not dealt with unions for any amount of time.  All anyone needs to know is that all unions, all unions, one more time, all unions are corrupt from bottom to top. Just like all our govt agencies.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:02 | 4782842 Frilton Miedman
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...and corporations are helpless sheep, victims, barely scraping by.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 00:13 | 4783815 Anusocracy
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Corporations are also the spawn of government.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:32 | 4783125 PT
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Learn a little history.  When union members first started going on strike, the corporations called the police / army.  So in retaliation, the unions called the thugs.  Sounds like the only way to make a "fair" fight.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 00:08 | 4783806 Anusocracy
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Those union members were violating the property rights of the company owners.

If they didn't like their jobs, they should have quit. They weren't being forced to work at gunpoint.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 00:22 | 4783825 PT
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You really need to learn about the tyranny of the crowd.  

 

 

 

You don't have to buy overpriced real estate either.  You just wait for the idiots to go bankrupt and for the prices to come down.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:28 | 4782721 Frilton Miedman
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Government, sure, at the behest of their corporate pimps.

The government of my government is my enemy.

 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:15 | 4782447 Monty Burns
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The bankster gang has done far more damage to society than labor unions.

 

This is true but it doesn't gainsay that unions generally are a curse.  In the private sector they'll eventually destroy their host (GM, NY dockers) but in the public sector they're a total disaster.  Often (usually?) they 'negotiate' with those who stand to gain from increases the unions won.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:10 | 4783076 August
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>>>in the public sector [unions are] a total disaster.  Often (usually?) they 'negotiate' with those who stand to gain from increases the unions won.

I recall the twice-honorable Mr. Corzine delivering an impassioned speech to an assembly of New Jersey state employees; Governor Corzine promised to "fight for a fair settlement" of their contract demands, presumably by his going to bat for the state employees in their negotiations with... himself?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:43 | 4782547 HardAssets
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Various 'analysts' just keep missing the point . . . .

when the bankster gang steals more than 97% of the value of the dollar over the last century, they steal most of the earnings and savings of the majority of the population through long term inflation.  Is it just possible that people would be able to take care of their own health care, retirement, etc . . . if they had been able to keep their own real wealth ?

In order to try to keep up there are various responses including unions & collective bargaining, two adults working to support the family in the work force when only one had to do so before, falling for various Ponzi schemes (internet stocks, housing, the current stock 'market') to try score big, and going into debt to maintain a certain standard of living (remember how home equity loans were touted as a way to tap into the never declining 'value' of peoples homes.)

There are consequences to maintaining such a high level of theft

It seems that the pyschopath oligarch money junkies will do anything to maintain their plantation.

 

 

P.S. - favorite topics of cluessless 'conservatives' (I used to be one - long, long ago) is their placing blame on unions, 'welfare' cheats, and 'enemies' overseas.  Neither they, nor the liberals, seem to see what's at the heart of the issue - - - - the banksters & their fiat ponzi fraud.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:05 | 4782620 BadLibertarian
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I think that the bankster problem vs. the union problem vs. the politician problem, etc. are all just manifestations of the same problem - a human problem that results when too much power becomes concentrated into systems that then become attractive targets for takeover by sociopaths.

The human brain evolved in a tribal environment - small groups of hunter/gatherers, and we only have the capacity to form healthy relationships with about 150 people at a time (the Dunbar number). The further outside that group someone is, the easier it is for the average person not to give a shit about them.

So why should it be surprising that when we concentrate ourselves within large cities, companies, and political organizations, that we don't act well? We have an evolutionary blind spot that's simply incompatible with way our modern technological society is designed.

And I don't know that there's really any way to fix that without collapsing society itself.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:00 | 4782836 Frilton Miedman
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WTH???

 

 

 

A ZH comment that's actually both inciteful and non-accusational?

Wow....who are you?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:34 | 4783098 BadLibertarian
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Thanks. I'm no one special - just a bad libertarian. Like a lot of people, I've been trying to figure out why we act the way we do, and after a lot of reading and contemplating, I think I've come up with an answer that makes sense - at least to me.

Briefly stated, if you consider Dunbar's number and combine it with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, I think you can understand the vast majority of human behavior. The insight I had is that the two concepts are related. Each person's Dunbar capacity is different, and that difference tends to track with where you currently fall on Maslow's hierarchy.

So, for example, someone who is having trouble fulfilling a Maslow level 1 need - like getting enough air or food to stay alive, tends to have little or no capacity to think about anyone other than themselves. It's a survival response. Later, when the crisis has passed, most of us rebound to a Dunbar capacity that corresponds to wherever we normally are on the hierarchy.

But there is a certain percentage of the population - sociopaths, who are always stuck in that mode, most likely because their neurological capacity for need fulfillment is broken. Most of us need to be under existential stress in order to behave like a sociopath, and most of us feel remorse about behaving that way when the crisis has passed, but not all of us. And those of us who don't operate under those constraints have a decided competitive advantage when it comes to attaining positions of power over others - they are simply more motivated than the rest of us are and are willing to do things that others won't do to attain their goals. This is why positions of power have an over-reprentation of this type of person.

If you're not a clinical sociopath, as you climb up Maslow's Hierarchy, your capacity to care about what happens to others expands, topping out at level 5, where you can have a genuine concern for people you don't even know - just because they're human beings like you.

The problem is that to get to level 5, you have to get past level 4, which has a lot to do with self-esteem. In our modern culture, level 4 is nearly impossible to attain because advertising and consumerism train us to search for self-esteem in the wrong places. When self-esteem is tied to material things, there's always another better, more luxurious, larger version of everything, so passing level 4 is impossible on those terms.

So we're stuck - the vast majority of us, and we don't even realize the nature of the trap we're in.

I'm confident I'm not the first person to make this connection, because you can see this knowledge being utilized within the context of military training, cult indoctrination, and torture. When you push someone down towards the bottom of the Maslow scale, not only do you diminish or eliminate their connections with others, when you release the pressure, the subject tends to form new bonds with the people who were present during the stressful experience. This explains "Stockholm" syndrome, military unit cohesion, the first season of "Homeland," Scientology, etc. 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:40 | 4783290 MachoMan
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All sociopaths aren't created equal.  Thankfully, many are weeded out quickly in their lives, having a complete lack of any ability to hide their true selves.  You don't have to worry about these people because they're sharks...  Rather, the people that you need to worry about are the sociopaths you have no idea are sociopaths.  The people who are chameleons.  Much more difficult to play poker against.

Further, your overarching world theory suffers from the same issue as all other similar endeavors, it's laughably too simple. 

Your prior post was very good though, keep it up.  We need more of it.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:03 | 4783352 BadLibertarian
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Agreed. And not all of their playgrounds are equally policed. It's the lack of policing that causes the problems - the sociopaths just do what they do, and it's the subtle ones that really do the most damage because most people just can't believe what they are capable of. Which reminds me of that line from "The Usual Suspects" - The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

That was just a portion of the "overarching" theory, lol. Not enough space or time here to cover the whole megillah. I just wanted to provide some background for the reasoning in the prior post. The underlying dynamic involves looking at all of the living world as a genetic algorithm which speeds up over time and now operates in human society primarily through the creation, manipulation, and sharing of memes rather than genetic material.

But again, that's way too much to get into here.

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:04 | 4783364 FredFlintstone
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You are very interesting. What line of work are you in or what type of education/training do you have?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:28 | 4783412 BadLibertarian
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Thanks, Fred. And by the way, I meant to mention that I agree with you that "stone age thinking" has been underrated. From a sociological perspective, I think we've been on a downward trajectory since those times, though in exchange we've been on a steep upward technological trajectory that has had some amazing plusses as well as some very serious minuses. So now we're over-crowded cave men with nukes and a sociopath problem, which is not the best situation to be in.

I split my high school years between a couple of sub par public schools and a pretty excellent private boarding school (the kind that old money, CEO's, and politicians ship their offspring to, though that's not my family background), and got my undergrad degree from an engineering focused university that's usually ranked in the top 20 most years. My degree was a B.A., but I program for a living, for a large software company.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:02 | 4782841 graneros
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Good post BL.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:01 | 4782622 AmCockerSpaniel
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STOP looking at the banks and NSA, or even the government!  It's the UNIOINS fault.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:35 | 4782934 RafterManFMJ
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Blah Blah Blah Blah

 Martin Armstrong Warns Out Of Control [PUBLIC] Unions Are The Real Poison Pill Of Western Society.

I always get a laugh when the private unions get blasted - you know you're dealing with a sophist or a lackey of 'The Man.' Yup, private unions are so strong they prevented all their jobs from being off-shored...OOPS! Guess not.  And those terrible, terrible union GOONS! Man, I just saw some run by, after torching a local Chinese restaurant. Not.

Follow the history and you'll see the kill totals are FAR on the side of managements goons - Pinkertons, anyone?

But I suppose if you have hired, official goons be they pinkertons, strikebusters, or the National Guard - those aren't goons, they're just justice, right? Just-us.

Not to worry though - wages haven't increased in real terms since 1973, it takes two people working to cling precariously to a middle-class life, and H1B visas hold down top-end jobs while millions upon millions of illegals gnaw at the bottom jobs.

Ooo man, dem unions, tho...yup.

Regulation, bizarre counter-productive tax structure - nah; it's the Unions, whose membership has been on a steady decline for two generations.

So let's see -

buying power of labor: Down.

Income of labor: Down

Bargaining power of labor: Down 

Share of national income: At historic lows.

CEO/C-SUITE pay: Historic highs.

You'd have to be one inbred, Elite-water carrying fuck to blame the ills of this country on men gathering together in one voice to counteract the juggernaut of the State, Corporations, Judiciary ETC.  Yeah, they stood a chance and won so much.

Worked both Union and Salary folks and the union folk have a well-honed cynicism as they know they're fucked and fighting a forlorn hope of a holding action, while on the salary side only the ball-lickers get promoted.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:13 | 4783225 gatorengineer
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If you really really look at it the Unions created the bankster gangs, or at least hastened their rise......

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 02:32 | 4783962 Lord Koos
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Yep, last I looked it wasn't unions that wrecked the economy, manipulated the markets etc...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:05 | 4782395 negative rates
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The unions only did what they were told, build bad stuff, when asked to take over the company and run it themselves, they go out of business. There are no more good answers folks.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4782405 spooz
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I think I would prefer the Union gang to the Bankster/Globalist gang.  At least we get a few good jobs out of them.  

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:15 | 4782445 Frilton Miedman
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Completely agree.

After the last five years' political polarization, given a binary choice of which evil influences government, I opt for unions over multinational corporate lobbies, which continues opening new trade deals despite decimated labor demand here at home.

 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:20 | 4783241 gatorengineer
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Unions decimated american labor.  Given take a pay freeze bennie cut or close the Unions 99.9 percent of the time have said close.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:11 | 4782652 midtowng
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Blaming "out of control unions" is like blaming communists, or hippies. It's something left over from another age that no longer exists.

the fact that he's blaming unions shows he's completely out touch.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 03:49 | 4784012 ebear
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Prison guards are unionized, right?  There's your answer.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:07 | 4782857 reTARD
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Unions are CORPORATIONS and just as much part of the oligarchy power structure as anything else.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 07:30 | 4784148 TruthHunter
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"Unions are no different than any other gang."

 

Pigs or People?    Animal Farm style...

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:07 | 4782404 drendebe10
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Well, let's see here....  unions unrelently increased demands and more demands to U.S. companies...  then companies outsourced jobs and moved manufacturing jobs off shore...   gummint worker unions similarly unrelently increased demands and more demands but the tax and spend spend spend gummint always went along and now the gummint (city, state and federal) all now run massive deficits...

Hmmmmm........ Could there possibly be a causal relationship?  Nah, I didn't think so either.... 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 23:06 | 4783042 MeelionDollerBogus
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No, corporations demanded we die in service to them with nothing to show for it.
Unions demanded that no corporation / employer could do that to any of us.
So then they re-located to China where killing workers on the job is a national sport.
It's the fuckers running humans into the grave for fiat & overlordship who are the problem, while the unions are the solution.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:13 | 4782435 Jumbotron
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The Union vs The Free Market is simply a proxy for the whole Right vs Left, Capitlalism vs Socialism distraction that ALL elites throw out for the masses.

It means nothing.

It's like two warring factions of Mob Bosses.  Everyone bitching about how the other is pinching their business....horning in on their territory.

And we the people are stuck in the middle of two utterly, corrupt paradigms.

Welcome to Prison Planet.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:19 | 4782465 SAT 800
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Bye Martin; it's been nice. Won't be listening to anymore crap from you. What a retard. You think the Unions sold the United States Citizens to China Inc.? Idiot. Fool. Shill. Patsy. Moron.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 17:53 | 4782811 post turtle saver
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private employee unions - yes

public employee unions - no No N O   H E L L  N O

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4782365 Dr. Engali
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Oh boy, this should be interesting. I think I'll just sit back, enjoy a beer, and read the commentary.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:02 | 4782375 dontgoforit
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Hey Doc.  I'm with you.  Unions?  Ok.  Let's talk about how well they're doing for American prosperity, etc.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:04 | 4782387 pods
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Cough *debt money lent at interest* cough 

Every other ponzi is based upon this ponzi.  

pods

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:17 | 4782458 Chump
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Trying a new double IPA this evening.  I'm more of a dark beer guy usually, but I get thirsty for something different on hot days.  Cheers!

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/i-love-you-too-beer.jpg

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:40 | 4782538 hardcleareye
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Yeah, I read the banner an my first thought was, it's a slow day and Tyler is trolling..

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4782368 spooz
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What, nobody willing to take down the few living wage jobs left in the interest of corporate profits!  Heresy!

Fuhgeddaboud tariffs.  We are, after all, a GLOBAL economy, and GLOBAL PROFITS are GOD.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4782369 kliguy38
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Well and here I thought it was the bankers........

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:09 | 4782410 James_Cole
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Well and here I thought it was the bankers........

 

Nope, it's always been teachers, unions & poor people - the unfortunate central banks are beholden to these leaches. 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:52 | 4783012 MeelionDollerBogus
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Sheesh, no one ever said it would be easy doing god's work!

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4782370 Overfed
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I'm no union man by any means, but c'mon, really? Central banks issuing debt against capital that they don't even possess is the poison pill of western society.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:03 | 4782383 dontgoforit
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How do you 'derive' a union?  Screw a bulb in it?

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:06 | 4782396 False Capital
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Yep. Unions wouldn't be required if the currency was deflationary rather than inflationary. It's a constant battle of wage increases vs. inflation. Amstrong comes across as a douche in this article.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:14 | 4782439 centerline
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Yeah, I think he stepped in it a little here.

There is a time and place for everything I suppose - and Unions do need to evolve.  But, what I think the bigger point is, is what is going to play out soon enough.  Unions are going to be an integral part in what causes the system to implode.  Is inevitable of course.  But, it has the potential to create some really nasty divides.  Particularly between private and public sector.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:24 | 4782481 Frilton Miedman
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As a small biz owner, I derive far more revenues from union workers than McDonalds workers.

Does that mean I'm pro union?

No, I just need more customers, and the top 1% does NOT spend that much more than anyone else to make up for the lower revenues.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 19:46 | 4783161 thestarl
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Like Henry Ford said no use paying peanuts as there would be no markets,no demand.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:15 | 4782449 Winston Churchill
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Heard his interview with Greg Hunter.
Poor guy is obviously schizophrenic. I'd suggest lithium, but
I don't think he could swallow a Tesla battery.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:31 | 4782508 SAT 800
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If you want to shove one up his ass; I"ll applaud.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 18:46 | 4782993 MeelionDollerBogus
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What we need now is a Karen Hudes-Martin Armstrong-David Icke 3-Amigos blog.
Then we can unite against the Reptilian Vatican Unions feeding us all these alien-DNA poison-pills.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:27 | 4782495 SAT 800
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Douche ? douche is nearly strong enough. How about shill and cover up man for the .gov criminal class ? I want this freak barred for life from posting here.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:04 | 4782372 teslaberry
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despite how boring martin A is---that graph is great. roman man power. 

 

never again will an empire measure its military might ---and logistics depth---primarily in 'manpower'. never again. that is a technological revolution if there ever was one. 

 

this fact scares many people, for the same violence and forces of technology used to centralize the social and physical capital we call a 'military' is also used for 'domestic military' aka--fbi and 'homeland' police as well as private sector domestic police. 

 

truly rome will never rise again. rise of the machines has already happened. 

 

 

 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:02 | 4782373 Fix-ItSilly
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Armstrong really should know how to differentiate between unions. In a democracy, govt unions should be outlawed for obvious reasons.

As for "private" worker unions, the problem with these is management. For too many decades, union management was in bed with corporate management. Each got what they wanted from the shareholder and the customer until... the industry went bust.

Then the Govt stepped in to make "whole" each party at the expense of the taxpayer.

And we arrive back to the first paragraph.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:15 | 4782446 Fuh Querada
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at last! someone made the key point....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:18 | 4785891 TruthHunter
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Unions should be outlawed...

 

Does that include

"Trade Associations?" 

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 16:45 | 4782559 The Most Intere...
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"Armstrong really should know how to differentiate between unions. In a democracy, govt unions should be outlawed for obvious reasons."

I agree that public unions should be outlawed, but private unions should be outlawed as well.

At first glance, your premise makes a lot of sense and I used to agree with you (that public unions are worse than private unions).  The reality is, however, that the "private" unions only have power through their connection to the government, and specifically, government officials.

If you grew up in a highly unionized area, you would know that laws are passed that make it essentially illegal to use non-union labor.  Unions fund the campaigns, politicians pass laws forcing everyone under the laws jurisdiction to use union labor.  This ultimately raises the cost of every product and service produced in that area.  It sucks money out of non-union worker pockets and in to union pockets.

How can you support this?

 

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